This Friday, the Islanders are likely to face a basic question when it's their turn to pick at 4 (assuming that's where they stay). This year's top draft prospects includes a wealth of highly touted defensemen: Ryan Murray, Matthew Dumba, Griffin Reinhart, Morgan Rielly and perhaps a few others. At least a couple of this group (as well has a several highly touted forwards) will be available at the #4 pick. Should they pick a defenseman?
Several writers would say that as a matter of principle, "no." Some have argued that the development of defensemen is too slow to provide scouts with accurate evaluations as early as 18 years old. Others have noted that elite NHL defensemen often come from later rounds of the draft. These sorts of arguments led Corey Pronman to "downgrade" this year's many top defensive prospects, ranking none of them within the top 5 of his ranking.
According to Pronman:
There has been one major change to my ranking process from last year. Based on talks I've had with Hockey Prospectus writers Tom Awad, Jonathan Willis, and Kent Wilson, I have made a significant systematic change to how I approach defensemen in the draft. While very valuable when you truly hit on them, defensemen tend to have much more uncertainty in their projections coming out of the draft. As Tom Awad said to me in an e-mail exchange: "It doesn't help you to know that there may be a Duncan Keith somewhere in the draft class if you can't identify him before he's 22."I have decided to approach defensemen with much more caution. Due to their value in the NHL, and persistent production of good defensemen, I have not decided to knock down defense prospects like I have goalie prospects, but if I think it's close especially in the first round, I will tend to lean the direction of the forward even if I feel the defense prospect in the discussion has a slightly higher talent level. Forward production out of the draft tends to just be so much more linear than defensemen and the development time is less as well.
However, the notion that defensemen take longer to develop or that you often find talented defensemen in later rounds isn't directly relevant to the question of whether a team should pick a comparably talented forward or defenseman all things being equal. After all, it is also drafting orthodoxy that you don't pick based on current need anyway. So the slower development curve of defensemen should not by itself be a reason not to pick them early.
To test the argument, I looked at all defenseman picked in the top 10 since 1995, determined their success rate based on my four-tiered ranking system and compared their success to forwards picked top 10 during the same time period. Just to give you a sense of the group of players under discussion, here is a list of every top 10 defenseman picked since 1995 and how I rated each:
Draft Year |
Pick |
Player |
Rating |
1995 |
1 |
Bryan Berard |
Key Player |
1995 |
2 |
Wade Redden |
All-Star |
1995 |
3 |
Aki-Petteri Berg |
NHLer |
1995 |
9 |
Kyle McLaren |
NHLer |
1996 |
1 |
Chris Phillips |
Key Player |
1996 |
2 |
Andrei Zyuzin |
NHLer |
1996 |
8 |
Johnathan Aitken |
Bust |
1996 |
9 |
Ruslan Salei |
Key Player |
1996 |
10 |
Lance Ward |
Bust |
1997 |
5 |
Eric Brewer |
Key Player |
1997 |
7 |
Paul Mara |
Key Player |
1997 |
9 |
Nick Boynton |
Key Player |
1997 |
10 |
Brad Ference |
Bust |
1998 |
3 |
Brad Stuart |
Key Player |
1998 |
4 |
Bryan Allen |
NHLer |
1998 |
5 |
Vitaly Vishnevsky |
NHLer |
1999 |
10 |
Branislav Mezei |
Bust |
2000 |
4 |
Rostislav Klesla |
NHLer |
2000 |
7 |
Lars Jonsson |
Bust |
2001 |
7 |
Mike Komisarek |
NHLer |
2002 |
3 |
Jay Bouwmeester |
All-Star |
2002 |
4 |
Joni Pitkanen |
Key Player |
2002 |
5 |
Ryan Whitney |
Key Player |
2003 |
7 |
Ryan Suter |
All-Star |
2003 |
8 |
Braydon Coburn |
Key Player |
2003 |
9 |
Dion Phaneuf |
All-Star |
2004 |
3 |
Cam Barker |
Key Player |
2004 |
9 |
Ladislav Smid |
Key Player |
2005 |
3 |
Jack Johnson |
Key Player |
2005 |
9 |
Brian Lee |
NHLer |
2006 |
1 |
Erik Johnson |
Key Player |
2007 |
4 |
Thomas Hickey |
Bust |
2007 |
5 |
Karl Alzner |
Key Player |
2008 |
2 |
Drew Doughty |
All-Star |
2008 |
3 |
Zach Bogosian |
Key Player |
2008 |
4 |
Alex Pietrangelo |
Key Player |
2008 |
5 |
Luke Schenn |
TBD |
2009 |
1 |
Victor Hedman |
Key Player |
2009 |
6 |
Oliver Ekman-Larsson |
Key Player |
2009 |
9 |
Jared Cowan |
TBD |
2010 |
3 |
Erik Gudbranson |
TBD |
2010 |
10 |
Dylan McIlrath |
TBD |
2011 |
4 |
Adam Larsson |
TBD |
2011 |
9 |
Dougie Hamilton |
TBD |
2011 |
10 |
Jonas Brodin |
TBD |
Based on a quick scan of the list, this groups seems to be a fairly solid group of defensemen. In fact, the only bust over the past decade is Thomas Hickey. (As always, feel free to quibble with my ratings).
Anyway, here are how the percentages break-down:
Allstar |
5 |
11.1% |
Key Players |
19 |
42.2% |
NHLers |
8 |
17.8% |
Busts |
6 |
13.3% |
TBD |
7 |
15.5% |
While there is a fairly low percentage of elite talent, there is also a low percentage of busts. Most fall somewhere in the middle, with a plurality (40%) developing into solid top 4 defenders.
How does this compare to forwards? Here are the percentages for this group (listing them out would be way too long):
Allstar |
30 |
28% |
Key Players |
22 |
20% |
NHLers |
34 |
32% |
Busts |
15 |
14% |
TBD |
7 |
6% |
While the "bust" rate among the forwards is similar to that of defensemen, the rate of elite players is a notably higher.
What does this tell us? I guess it means that notwithstanding the slower development curve, defensemen who have talent levels designated as elite by pro scouts at 18 years old are usually good enough to be serviceable or even effective defensemen in the NHL. Whether that elite talent level translate into elite NHL-level talent is more of a crapshoot for defensemen than for forwards.
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