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On the Subject of Coaches

Just some quick food for thought based on some numbers I came across this morning.

Robert Vollman, who writes at ESPN, Hockey Prospectus, and his own site, Hockey Abstract, recently did some number crunching to see how effective NHL coaches have been in their tenures. He writes,

A good coach will make a bad team competitive, and a good team great. While it is difficult to rate coaches, a good start is to measure how well their team did relative to how well they did the previous season, once regressed to the norm by 35%. With sufficient data we can start to see which of history's coaches might have been the most effective.

Vollman's doing some different stuff with the sats; e.g., "It's also interesting to see how much better non-NHLers did as coaches relative to those who had played in the NHL, or how among those who played in the NHL it doesn't seem to make a difference if they made the Hall of Fame, but does seem to matter what position they played (defensemen make better coaches)," but it provides some interesting data regarding how coaches impacted their teams.

The (long) table below shows the coaches sorted by cumulative xPTS, which are the points awarded for performance relative to the prior season (I filtered out coaches with less than 82 games total). The names at the top won't surprise, and obviously coaches who hung around for a long time, and coached during the 82 game era are going to come out far ahead. I decided to print the whole enormous thing, as it's interesting to see coaches who had similar careers, and last place is a nice bonus. (I wish the table was sortable, but I couldn't figure how some SBNation posts do that.)

Stats
GP W L T OL PTS PTS% xPTS xPTS/GP
Scotty Bowman 2141 1244 573 314 10 2812 .657 299.6 .140
Ken Hitchcock* 1116 581 366 88 81 1331 .596 116.6 .105
Jacques Lemaire 1262 617 458 124 63 1421 .563 111.6 .088
Al Arbour 1607 782 577 248 0 1812 .564 109.0 .068
Joel Quenneville* 1169 630 382 77 80 1417 .606 104.5 .089
Glen Sather 932 497 307 121 7 1122 .602 103.7 .111
Dick Irvin 1449 692 527 230 0 1614 .557 96.7 .067
Jacques Martin 1294 613 481 119 81 1426 .551 91.0 .070
Marc Crawford 1151 549 421 103 78 1279 .556 86.1 .075
Toe Blake 914 500 255 159 0 1159 .634 83.5 .091
Ron Wilson 1401 648 561 101 91 1488 .531 79.8 .057
Fred Shero 734 390 225 119 0 899 .612 78.3 .107
Peter Laviolette* 714 368 261 25 60 821 .575 76.4 .107
Mike Keenan 1386 672 531 147 36 1527 .551 76.4 .055
Terry Murray 1012 499 383 89 41 1128 .557 75.7 .075
Darryl Sutter* 913 435 335 101 42 1013 .555 73.0 .080
Claude Julien* 652 350 218 10 74 784 .601 72.2 .111
Bryan Murray 1239 620 465 131 23 1394 .563 72.0 .058
Mike Babcock* 743 423 218 19 83 948 .638 71.0 .096
Barry Trotz* 1071 504 425 60 82 1150 .537 68.3 .064
Pat Burns 1019 501 353 151 14 1167 .573 65.3 .064
Dave Tippett* 743 407 238 28 70 912 .614 63.8 .086
Pat Quinn 1400 684 528 154 34 1556 .556 63.3 .045
Bruce Boudreau* 391 231 112 0 48 510 .652 62.6 .160
Emile Francis 778 388 273 117 0 893 .574 58.2 .075
Bob Hartley* 654 330 228 61 35 756 .578 56.8 .087
Roger Neilson 1000 460 378 159 3 1082 .541 54.1 .054
Andy Murray 738 333 278 58 69 793 .537 54.0 .073
Tommy Ivan 573 288 174 111 0 687 .599 53.8 .094
Alain Vigneault* 763 398 275 35 55 886 .581 52.8 .069
Punch Imlach 889 402 337 150 0 954 .537 52.3 .059
Bob Pulford 829 363 330 136 0 862 .520 47.5 .057
Lindy Ruff 1153 567 425 78 83 1295 .562 46.8 .041
Robbie Ftorek 443 229 152 44 18 520 .587 44.4 .100
Lester Patrick 604 281 216 107 0 669 .554 43.7 .072
Cecil Hart 394 196 125 73 0 465 .590 42.3 .107
Floyd Smith 309 173 95 41 0 387 .626 41.2 .133
Harry Sinden 327 153 116 58 0 364 .557 41.1 .126
Dan Bylsma* 276 168 83 0 25 361 .654 41.0 .149
Bob Johnson 480 234 188 58 0 526 .548 39.5 .082
Michel Therrien* 466 215 183 23 45 498 .534 38.9 .084
Tom Johnson 208 142 43 23 0 307 .738 37.9 .182
Billy Reay 1102 542 385 175 0 1259 .571 36.9 .033
Bob Berry 860 384 355 121 0 889 .517 36.9 .043
Randy Carlyle* 539 281 194 0 64 626 .581 35.3 .066
John Tortorella* 811 386 325 37 63 872 .538 35.3 .044
Todd McLellan* 333 200 92 0 41 441 .662 32.7 .098
Kevin Constantine 377 161 150 61 5 388 .515 32.4 .086
Terry Crisp 631 286 267 78 0 650 .515 30.8 .049
Don Cherry 480 250 153 77 0 577 .601 29.5 .061
Red Berenson 204 100 72 32 0 232 .569 27.6 .136
Glen Sonmor 421 177 161 83 0 437 .519 24.3 .058
Claude Ruel 305 172 82 51 0 395 .648 24.2 .079
Dave King 420 173 182 52 13 411 .489 24.1 .057
Rudy Pilous 387 162 151 74 0 398 .514 23.5 .061
Fred Creighton 421 196 156 69 0 461 .548 21.3 .051
Ted Sator 306 137 137 32 0 306 .500 19.2 .063
Art Ross 758 368 300 90 0 826 .545 18.3 .024
Brent Sutter 410 215 146 0 49 479 .584 18.3 .045
Brian Sutter 1028 451 417 140 20 1062 .517 18.0 .018
Guy Carbonneau 230 124 83 0 23 271 .589 17.1 .075
Dit Clapper 230 102 88 40 0 244 .530 17.1 .074
Paul MacLean* 87 44 32 0 11 99 .569 16.8 .193
Hap Day 546 259 206 81 0 599 .549 16.7 .031
Bernie Geoffrion 281 114 119 48 0 276 .491 16.5 .059
Tommy Gorman 327 133 132 62 0 328 .502 16.5 .050
Gerry Cheevers 376 204 126 46 0 454 .604 16.4 .044
Wren Blair 147 48 65 34 0 130 .442 16.2 .110
Dave Lewis 251 135 83 21 12 303 .604 16.1 .064
Tom Renney 592 260 255 9 68 597 .504 16.0 .027
Red Kelly 742 278 330 134 0 690 .465 15.9 .021
Jack Adams 964 413 390 161 0 987 .512 15.7 .016
Craig MacTavish 656 301 252 47 56 705 .537 15.2 .023
Kevin Dineen* 87 39 30 0 18 96 .552 15.0 .173
Jean Perron 287 142 110 35 0 319 .556 14.8 .051
Denis Savard 147 65 66 0 16 146 .497 14.2 .096
Joe Sacco* 250 116 111 0 23 255 .510 13.9 .056
Guy Boucher* 169 88 62 0 19 195 .577 13.6 .080
Terry O'Reilly 227 115 86 26 0 256 .564 13.4 .059
Peter DeBoer* 332 154 135 0 43 351 .529 13.2 .040
Marc Boileau 151 66 61 24 0 156 .517 11.7 .077
Bill Barber 136 73 40 17 6 169 .621 11.5 .084
Pete Green 150 94 52 4 0 192 .640 11.5 .076
Eddie Gerard 421 174 186 61 0 409 .486 10.1 .024
Frank Patrick 96 48 36 12 0 108 .563 10.1 .105
Keith Allen 150 51 67 32 0 134 .447 9.2 .062
Don Blackburn 140 42 63 35 0 119 .425 9.0 .064
Cooney Weiland 96 58 20 18 0 134 .698 8.7 .091
Kevin Lowe 82 32 26 16 8 88 .537 8.6 .105
Mario Tremblay 159 71 63 25 0 167 .525 8.0 .050
Jimmy Skinner 247 123 78 46 0 292 .591 7.0 .028
Cy Denneny 92 37 40 15 0 89 .484 6.6 .072
Larry Regan 88 27 47 14 0 68 .386 6.6 .075
Phil Maloney 232 95 105 32 0 222 .478 6.2 .027
Jack Gordon 289 116 123 50 0 282 .488 6.1 .021
Ted Nolan 327 147 140 19 21 334 .511 5.7 .017
Ivan Hlinka 86 42 32 9 3 96 .558 5.7 .066
Claude Noel* 111 50 44 0 17 117 .527 5.3 .048
Bill Dineen 140 60 60 20 0 140 .500 5.2 .037
Joe Crozier 232 90 102 40 0 220 .474 5.2 .022
Bobby Kromm 231 79 111 41 0 199 .431 5.0 .022
John Cunniff 146 62 65 19 0 143 .490 5.0 .034
Joe Primeau 210 97 71 42 0 236 .562 4.6 .022
John Stevens 267 122 111 0 34 278 .521 4.4 .017
Jack Evans 614 237 303 74 0 548 .446 4.3 .007
Bep Guidolin 229 98 107 24 0 220 .480 4.1 .018
Jean-Guy Talbot 200 82 90 28 0 192 .480 4.1 .020
Conn Smythe 134 57 57 20 0 134 .500 4.0 .030
Garry Young 110 43 48 19 0 105 .477 3.9 .036
Davis Payne 137 67 55 0 15 149 .544 3.0 .022
John Anderson 164 70 75 0 19 159 .485 2.8 .017
Al Sims 82 27 47 8 0 62 .378 2.8 .034
Marcel Pronovost 104 52 29 23 0 127 .611 2.5 .024
Jacques Demers 1007 409 468 130 0 948 .471 2.2 .002
Ron Low 505 208 243 49 5 470 .465 1.5 .003
Jack Capuano* 152 62 68 0 22 146 .480 1.5 .010
Al MacNeil 306 138 113 55 0 331 .541 1.5 .005
Steve Stirling 124 56 51 11 6 129 .520 1.4 .011
Don Hay 150 61 65 20 4 146 .487 1.3 .009
Rick Dudley 228 98 87 40 3 239 .524 0.9 .004
Gene Ubriaco 106 50 47 9 0 109 .514 0.9 .008
Wayne Gretzky 328 143 161 0 24 310 .473 0.9 .003
Orval Tessier 213 99 93 21 0 219 .514 0.8 .004
Johnny Wilson 517 187 241 89 0 463 .448 0.6 .001
Jim Playfair 82 43 29 0 10 96 .585 0.3 .004
Cory Clouston 198 95 83 0 20 210 .530 0.3 .002
Rick Tocchet 148 53 69 0 26 132 .446 0.2 .001
Doug Carpenter 381 139 213 29 0 307 .403 0.1 .000
Danny Belisle 96 28 51 17 0 73 .380 0.0 .000
Lynn Patrick 443 165 196 82 0 412 .465 0.0 .000
Doug MacLean 266 107 114 41 4 259 .487 -0.4 -.002
Tom Webster 258 120 103 35 0 275 .533 -0.9 -.004
Bobby Francis 390 165 144 60 21 411 .527 -1.1 -.003
Gerard Gallant 142 56 76 4 6 122 .430 -1.4 -.010
Tom Watt 490 176 252 62 0 414 .422 -1.5 -.003
Glen Gulutzan* 87 44 37 0 6 94 .540 -1.7 -.020
Bob McCammon 512 221 224 67 0 509 .497 -2.0 -.004
Mike Milbury 351 146 160 45 0 337 .480 -2.7 -.008
Jim Schoenfeld 580 256 246 78 0 590 .509 -3.0 -.005
Vic Stasiuk 307 88 153 66 0 242 .394 -3.1 -.010
Mike Sullivan 164 70 56 15 23 178 .543 -3.6 -.022
Mike Yeo* 87 37 38 0 12 86 .494 -3.6 -.041
Todd Richards* 210 96 95 0 19 211 .502 -3.9 -.018
Paul Thompson 272 104 127 41 0 249 .458 -4.0 -.015
Bruce Cassidy 110 47 47 9 7 110 .500 -4.2 -.038
Trent Yawney 103 33 55 0 15 81 .393 -4.2 -.041
Tony Granato 215 104 78 17 16 241 .560 -4.3 -.020
Steve Ludzik 121 31 67 14 9 85 .351 -4.6 -.038
Terry Simpson 368 159 168 41 0 359 .488 -4.8 -.013
Charlie Conacher 162 56 84 22 0 134 .414 -5.1 -.031
Bob Gainey 472 194 211 60 7 455 .482 -6.5 -.014
David Gill 132 64 41 27 0 155 .587 -6.6 -.050
John Muckler 648 276 285 84 3 639 .493 -6.9 -.011
Greg Gilbert 121 42 56 17 6 107 .442 -7.0 -.058
Barry Long 205 87 93 25 0 199 .485 -7.2 -.035
Pierre Page 636 253 301 82 0 588 .462 -7.2 -.011
Ken Schinkel 203 83 92 28 0 194 .478 -7.3 -.036
Doug Risebrough 144 71 56 17 0 159 .552 -7.8 -.054
Don Waddell 86 38 39 1 8 85 .494 -7.8 -.091
Rick Ley 284 116 121 47 0 279 .491 -8.0 -.028
Dave Chambers 98 19 64 15 0 53 .270 -8.2 -.083
Bill Mahoney 93 42 39 12 0 96 .516 -8.2 -.089
Alpo Suhonen 82 29 40 8 5 71 .433 -8.4 -.102
Odie Cleghorn 168 62 86 20 0 144 .429 -8.6 -.051
Nick Polano 240 79 127 34 0 192 .400 -9.0 -.038
Leo Dandurand 163 78 76 9 0 165 .506 -9.3 -.057
Gary Green 157 50 78 29 0 129 .411 -9.7 -.061
Colin Campbell 269 118 108 43 0 279 .519 -10.2 -.038
Ron Lapointe 89 33 50 6 0 72 .404 -10.4 -.117
King Clancy 228 86 92 50 0 222 .487 -10.5 -.046
Herb Brooks 506 219 219 66 2 506 .500 -10.5 -.021
Bob Murdoch 240 93 116 31 0 217 .452 -10.7 -.044
Michel Bergeron 792 338 350 104 0 780 .492 -10.9 -.014
John Ferguson 135 50 65 20 0 120 .444 -11.0 -.082
Clem Loughlin 144 61 63 20 0 142 .493 -11.1 -.077
Neil Colville 93 26 41 26 0 78 .419 -11.1 -.120
Art Chapman 96 24 58 14 0 62 .323 -11.3 -.117
Pat Kelly 101 22 54 25 0 69 .342 -11.5 -.114
Keith Magnuson 132 49 57 26 0 124 .470 -11.7 -.089
Lorne Henning 223 87 111 25 0 199 .446 -12.2 -.055
Jimmy Roberts 134 50 60 24 0 124 .463 -12.3 -.091
Wayne Maxner 129 34 68 27 0 95 .368 -12.3 -.095
Ron Stewart 119 46 54 19 0 111 .466 -12.5 -.105
Scott Arniel 123 45 60 0 18 108 .439 -12.7 -.103
Charlie Burns 86 22 50 14 0 58 .337 -13.3 -.155
Alf Pike 123 36 66 21 0 93 .378 -13.4 -.109
Paul Maurice 1084 460 457 99 68 1087 .501 -13.7 -.013
Bill Cook 117 34 59 24 0 92 .393 -13.9 -.119
Scott Gordon 181 64 94 0 23 151 .417 -14.0 -.077
Red Dutton 192 66 97 29 0 161 .419 -14.1 -.073
Muzz Patrick 136 43 66 27 0 113 .415 -14.1 -.104
Craig Hartsburg 491 201 208 69 13 484 .493 -14.1 -.029
Dan Maloney 372 136 193 43 0 315 .423 -14.1 -.038
Phil Watson 379 135 179 65 0 335 .442 -14.3 -.038
John Paddock 345 142 160 37 6 327 .474 -14.4 -.042
Ted Harris 179 48 104 27 0 123 .344 -14.5 -.081
Larry Robinson 501 209 217 64 11 493 .492 -14.7 -.029
Joe Simpson 144 42 72 30 0 114 .396 -15.1 -.105
Orland Kurtenbach 125 36 62 27 0 99 .396 -15.3 -.123
Ed Olczyk 113 31 64 8 10 80 .354 -16.1 -.142
Marshall Johnston 125 28 77 20 0 76 .304 -16.5 -.132
Butch Goring 240 83 126 27 4 197 .410 -17.0 -.071
John Brophy 193 64 111 18 0 146 .378 -18.0 -.093
Bill McCreary 97 23 59 15 0 61 .314 -18.1 -.186
Harry Neale 442 150 212 80 0 380 .430 -18.4 -.042
Newsy Lalonde 339 144 167 28 0 316 .466 -18.6 -.055
Barclay Plager 178 49 96 33 0 131 .368 -18.6 -.105
Craig Ramsay 131 50 63 6 12 118 .450 -18.8 -.143
John McLellan 310 126 139 45 0 297 .479 -19.4 -.063
Larry Pleau 224 81 117 26 0 188 .420 -19.7 -.088
George Boucher 165 50 86 29 0 129 .391 -19.8 -.120
Hal Laycoe 180 49 114 17 0 115 .319 -21.1 -.117
Eddie Johnston 596 266 251 79 0 611 .513 -21.4 -.036
Don Perry 168 52 85 31 0 135 .402 -22.1 -.132
Barry Melrose 225 84 108 29 4 201 .447 -22.2 -.099
Leo Boivin 97 28 53 16 0 72 .371 -23.3 -.240
Mike Murphy 229 80 124 25 0 185 .404 -23.4 -.102
Mike Nykoluk 280 89 144 47 0 225 .402 -24.1 -.086
Glen Hanlon 239 78 122 9 30 195 .408 -24.2 -.101
Tom McVie 462 126 263 73 0 325 .352 -24.9 -.054
Sid Abel 964 382 427 155 0 919 .477 -25.1 -.026
Rick Kehoe 160 55 81 14 10 134 .419 -26.2 -.164
Billy MacMillan 180 41 112 27 0 109 .303 -26.8 -.149
Steve Kasper 164 66 78 20 0 152 .463 -27.8 -.170
Craig Patrick 169 66 81 22 0 154 .456 -27.9 -.165
Johnny Gottselig 187 62 105 20 0 144 .385 -28.2 -.151
Curt Fraser 279 64 169 31 15 174 .312 -28.2 -.101
Ebbie Goodfellow 140 30 91 19 0 79 .282 -28.5 -.204
Alex Delvecchio 245 82 131 32 0 196 .400 -30.7 -.125
Red Sullivan 364 107 198 59 0 273 .375 -30.9 -.085
Parker MacDonald 103 33 54 16 0 82 .398 -31.0 -.301
Lou Angotti 112 22 78 12 0 56 .250 -31.8 -.284
Paul Holmgren 425 161 219 45 0 367 .432 -32.3 -.076
Ted Green 188 65 102 21 0 151 .402 -33.9 -.180
Mike Kitchen 131 38 70 4 19 99 .378 -35.1 -.268
Frank Boucher 527 181 263 83 0 445 .422 -35.3 -.067
George Kingston 164 28 129 7 0 63 .192 -46.5 -.283
Milt Schmidt 770 250 394 126 0 626 .406 -58.9 -.076
Fred Glover 424 114 249 61 0 289 .341 -64.9 -.153
Rick Bowness 463 123 289 48 3 297 .321 -72.7 -.157

Below are some of the potential coaching options with NHL experience available to the Islanders if they decide a change is needed. These are sorted by xPTS per games coached. I was surprised by some of the positioning (looking at you Marc Crawford).

GP W L T OL PTS PTS% xPTS xPTS/GP
Kevin Constantine 377 161 150 61 5 388 .515 32.4 .086
Terry Murray 1012 499 383 89 41 1128 .557 75.7 .075
Marc Crawford 1151 549 421 103 78 1279 .556 86.1 .075
Jacques Martin 1294 613 481 119 81 1426 .551 91.0 .070
Brent Sutter 410 215 146 0 49 479 .584 18.3 .045
Tom Renney 592 260 255 9 68 597 .504 16.0 .027
Craig MacTavish 656 301 252 47 56 705 .537 15.2 .023
Davis Payne 137 67 55 0 15 149 .544 3.0 .022
Ted Nolan 327 147 140 19 21 334 .511 5.7 .017
Paul Maurice 1084 460 457 99 68 1087 .501 -13.7 -.013
Phil Watson 379 135 179 65 0 335 .442 -14.3 -.038
Trent Yawney 103 33 55 0 15 81 .393 -4.2 -.041
Scott Arniel 123 45 60 0 18 108 .439 -12.7 -.103

Of course a coach is only one piece of the puzzle, but I found these interesting nonetheless.

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