Montreal 4 (EN), Islanders 2: Price Shuts Door, Even Scott Gomez Scores
The Islanders were nearly shutout for the second game in a row, but this time Evgeni Nabokov was not able to save them a point and the shootout was not available to give them two.
In humorous contrast to the shootout win in Philadelphia where the Isles had no business winning, tonight they trailed 2-0 after 30 minutes and had every right to be tied if not ahead. That's hockey. Shots were 24-21 for the Isles after 40 minutes and the score would get worse before it briefly got better.
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The Isles stormed out of the gate in the second period to try to tie it at 1-1, unleashing the first seven shots within the period's first five minutes. Instead, Carey Price made like Nabokov in Philly and shut the door, most notably on the Islanders' period-opening powerplay.
Max Pacioretty soon scored his second goal of the game and Montreal took the comfort of a 2-0 lead into the third. Down 3-0, a late Isles push made the final score look ... a fairer reflection of how this game was played, actually.
Game Highlights
Game Notes
* That first Pacioretty goal came on Montreal's first shot of the game, by the way. Tenth time this season. A league high. Record?
* He only got an assist, on the first goal, but Erik Cole's presence was felt all night long. Lots of good drives to the net, dangerous shots and using his size at speed. You would hope Nino Niederreiter one day provides that element.
* Saw more of Aaron Ness tonight. Definitely see how his skating buys him space. Fun to watch skater: Lots of sharp cuts, decisive pivots, sweeping turns.
* Among the victims of Price were Nino Niederreiter at point blank. The trio of Josh Bailey, Matt Martin and Rhett Rakhshani were active in the first half, not always productively but frequently dangerous. Outside of the chances Price flat out stole, few of the Isles finishing attempts were quite in sync, but they were being generated with a regularity that was lacking the previous two games.
* Milan Jurcina returned ... and saw his mobility promptly victimized on the first goal. Cole softly chipped the puck around Jurcina at center ice and Max Pacioretty was off to the races on a 2-on-1 he finished with a nice shot inside the far post.
* Down 2-0 entering the second, Jack Capuano got the band back together, swapping P.A. Parenteau and Kyle Okposo and returning those two guys to the lines they rode the second half of last season and much of the first half of this one.
* The unthinkable happened when Scott Gomez scored for the first time in a year to make it 3-0 on a one-timer on the powerplay. That was the sign it was not the Isles night: The powerplay came from a ridiculous call on John Tavares, where he came out the worst of a leg tangle -- the paranoid would even call it a slewfoot -- yet drew two for interference.
* With under three minutes left, Tavares set up Matt Moulson to break Price's shutout, and while no replay showed conclusive contact by Moulson's blade above the crossbar, it was one of those A + B = C plays that I'm frankly surprised they let stand. The ruling on the ice was a goal, but I'll eat my Vukota card if that wasn't a high stick.
* Less than a minute later, Mark Streit brought it to a one-goal margin with a nice move at the blueline opening up a slapshot that Price had no chance of seeing thanks to Matt Martin's towering skyscraper screen.
That left a veeery long shift for the top line -- seriously, like 1:53 -- to try to tie it as time wound down, but they were out of gas and only mustered a couple half-chances at best.
* With 20 seconds left, Cole obviously iced it yet somehow the refs didn't call it when MacDonald retrieved the puck. It was another puzzling game overall by your banner NHL officiating crew -- an epidemic all over the league this year -- but I'll take that minor one as a karma match for Moulson's goal surviving review. (Then again, there was the Tavares call, so ... awww, it's really not worth trying to figure out NHL officiating this year.)
* Pacioretty finished his hat trick with an empty net goal at the buzzer. Great game for him.
* MSG struck again tonight. Between the TWC dispute and the failed signal, how many Isles fans actually got to watch this game?
On that note, comment of the night from brother_rat:
Does Hofstra have a TV channel? We may have to make that jump, damn the mega-cable deal.
Matt Martin Post-Game
Important stretch. Gotta be ready for L.A. and Florida.
Other post-game videos: Tim Wallace | P.A. Parenteau says it hurts but they've gotta move on to the next one. | Mark Streit says they were sluggish in the beginning, disappointing effort.
Jack Capuano Post-Game
Too little, too late. On the first goal: "Shot from the angle ... goal scorer's goal. I don't think it was a slow start. ... I did think we played a little bit slow in the first period [in terms of forecheck], if that's a better way to put it."
For the standings watchers, that means Montreal and the Islanders switch places, the Isles dropping back to 14th and the Hockey Club from Montreal jumping into 11th. This pattern may continue a while. Of the teams everyone is chasing, Winnipeg won a shootout in Washington and Florida looks to be victors over the Kings tonight, too. Tampa Bay logged a regulation point in a shootout loss to the Rangers; alas, that is NHL hockey now, too.
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Penance for Philly?
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Good news/Bad news
Good news:
1. Islanders played better than they did against the Sabres and Flyers.
2. Didn’t quit with the clock running down.
3. A win Saturday and they probably leapfrog somebody again.
Bad news:
1. After getting positive notices for Nabokov’s play and Nielsen’s extension, it’ll be right back to LOLISLANDERS. Gives me a reason to stay off the intarwebs for a day, I guess.
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by PGI on Feb 9, 2012 10:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Just got back
Man habs fans are AWFUL just totally awful.
Caught one mocking what had to be a nine year old kid.
Tough loss.
Unsure how it looked on t.v. but my casual fans view:
+Tavares. Every time he touched the puck from the blue line down it looked like he was generating something.
+Bails. I’ve been defending him for weeks and after watching this game will continue to do so.
+Ness. Saw one slip up that he was able to recover from and one man-handling by a red shirt. Outside of those two instances I liked his stick work both in and out of our end. His outlet passes seemed like the target couldn’t control them not sure whose fault that would be.
-MMoulson. I know he scored but he looked flat to me. Neither him nor Okposo seemed strong on the puck but at least I saw energy from KO.
-Giving me hope in the final minutes only to fall short.
-Went to see an old friend sitting in a different section at the start of the third. We start talking about Scott Gomez and his lack of scoring. get back to my seat and he scores. I hate both myself and my friend. And Scott Gomez.
Again I’m awful at this +/- business but I feel a sense of entitlement since I was there. Would also like to hear just how wrong I am <— not scarcasm.
Plus/Minus!
Thanks for adding! Fun to hear your angle from at the game.
We don’t get enough +/- anymore … but separating them out just evolves into post-game stuff, and doing just one post-game means people don’t do them. Thanks for doing yours.
I agree with your pluses, am open to your minuses and would put you, Howie and Chris King (apparently) together in the reverse jinxing of Gomez. Everyone talked about it, so of course it happened.
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by Dominik on Feb 9, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Incidentally
The buddy said “he knew the guy who runs this site” No idea who that technically is. Buddy’s name is Brian W. I guess it’s the internet so no full names.
The first and last time I will ever be name-dropped
He may know one of the other fellas, actually.
In truth, Frans Nielsen runs this site. We are just the mortal earthly bodies through which his will be done.
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by Dominik on Feb 9, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think with JTs uprising
We’re gonna have to go polytheism from here on in.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 10, 2012 7:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure if this is Blaphemous or what.
I wonder if this is how the Holy Trinity thing started….
“I mean, He’s God, so he has to be there…”
“Yeah, but that dude was dead. Then he wasn’t. Come on! He’s got to the The Guy.”
“True – but, still, I mean, that’s kinda like, blasphemy…
“Fellas – don’t forget about the bird. He’s Danish after all.”
“So three dieties? That’s insane!”
“Rebuilds pay off, boys. Just gotta be patient.”
“OK, three it is. We’ll call it – the HOLY TRINITY!”
“Nice. Hey, any chance we can get the Romans to rebuild this Coliseum? It’s a real piece of shit.”
by Les Beaver on Feb 10, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
....oh GOD, Keith - don't let HANSSEN see that! LOL
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There is some trinity potential for sure
Nielsen is more of a behind-the-scenes, holy spirit kind of figure anyway.
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So what youre saying is
Father = Bossy (As in “Thank Bossy…”)
Son = JT
Holy Spirit = Frans
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 10, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
That works
And we have quite the roster of saints.
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Habs fans were annoying, but I've seen worse from Flyer fans, Sabre fans, and our fans this year.
I don’t even want to get into the things I heard Sabre fans saying at the game after Hamonic broke his nose on that shot and was bleeding everywhere. Incredibly childish and incredibly offensive. Some fans are just complete idiots. Glad I have this place of normalcy. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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This place
has been an absolute blessing. Most Islander fans I know are of the “WE WON WE ARE THE BEST EVER” or “WE LOST FIRE EVERYONE AND SIGN ALL THE PLAYERS”
Things I saw/heard tonight that made me facepalm:
1) Shoot the puck! (Perhaps when this is shouted Rolston listens and he is actually not at fault. I’ve always hated when fans yell this out.)
2) Make a play Streit! (really? I’m sure he hadn’t thought about….. making a play?)
3) We always play poorly against contenders…. (nuff said)
4) Group of people sitting in front of me (I had these killer seats behind our net. 109×. Never ever been this close before) taking pictures of each other in their Islander jerseys during the first period when the team was in the offensive zone)
5) Why did I post this as a numerical list instead of in paragraph form? (Nobody knows)
by Bleuchz on Feb 9, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
KO used to be the best player on the ice every night...
When he played under Gordon before missing half of last season he was always in beast mode….When he came up as a rookie he was asked to be the man and score some goals because no one else was so offensive on this team…The most offensive guy we had was Comrie…..Now that JT’, Moulson, and Paps are here I wonder if he kind of plays 3rd or 4th fiddle..,For example Malkin is a great player but when Crosbys not around he steps up his game to an even higher level…IDK, maybe I’m thinking into it to much…I just want to see KO kick it back into high gear consistently…
KO21......couldnt agree more with this statement....
He is not the same player and i too wonder about that same exact theory. It’s really disappointing. I saw, well we all saw something similar with Bailey last year when Tavares went down in the beginning of the season. Bailey played like a #1 center then kind of faded away into oblivion. I dont know if players feel they need to play certain roles depending on their place in the lineup or if its just a completely mental thing. Certain guys, like Bailey and Okposo need to play every shift like they are the most important players on the team because they have the talent to do so. Kyle seems to have lost a little of his physical presence and his nose for the net.
Maybe its a confidence thing when your being put out there on a 1st line and getting 1st line PP minutes you know your coach and your team is counting on you to get the job done. Maybe these guys go in with a different mindset when they are not put in those situations. I dont really understand it.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 10, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Okposo is not Malkin
He’s not even the same type of player. It’s pretty useless comparing the two since Malkin is one of, if not, THE best player in the game, while Okposo is not.
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by Fabtraption on Feb 10, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agree...but it could be something else...
pertaining to maturity and role playing of his game. i think KO is playing the way snow and cappy want him to play as part of a cohesive unit and not burdened with an unfair amount of pressure. KO has a role and he does what he can to play the roles he’s assigned. the guy is also 23 and his best years are still yet to come. he could wind up being one of those guys who doesn’t truly breakout until the latter part of his career. who knows? all in all, i love his game and what he brings to this team. he’s a leader on and off the ice, has enormous potential, and can plug in anywhere. power forwards are a different breed in my opinion. i believe garth wouldn’t have given him a 5 year deal if he knew he wouldn’t eventually up his game. patience friends, KO will be a hero to Long Island soon enough.
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by gukid17 on Feb 10, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're splitting hairs...
I’m just making a point that he was better when he was the guy Gordo depended on….I remember Gordon had a talk with KO and it was basically this…Gordo asked him what kind of player he wanted to be…It was a loaded question…So Gordo challenged him to bring it every single shift and he did and he was beastly night in and night out…
agree again.....
I dont think his position in the lineup should change how he plays his game. If he is capable of more, why hold him back? I dont think Snow and Cappy are trying to confine him to a particular role. They already know what he can bring, but like KO21 said, in his 2nd year he was always the best player on the ice for us regardless if he produced or not. He seems much less noticeable now for whatever reason that may be. I think it has to be a mindset issue. I wouldnt even argue that playing less minutes would make him less noticeable because Matt Martin’s presence is always felt and until recently was only playing around 8-10 minutes a game.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 10, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I also wonder if Gordo knew how to push KO's buttons better than Cappy...
But ultimately he doesn’t seem to be driving his legs every single shift anymore…He did look great for a while after he came back from his 3 consecutive healthy scratches…
Could be
Gordon also played the hell out of Okposo. He was the minute-muncher night after night, so he had more chances to shine and be noticed.
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by Dominik on Feb 10, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's possible
Either that, or post-injury effects, or he was just one of those guys who rises to the occasion more with more minutes/roles, especially on a bad team.
Tough to gauge. Under Gordon Tavares was nowhere near the player he is now, Parenteau wasn’t here and Moulson wasn’t (mostly). Grabner too. Just more chances to stand out then.
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that makes sense...
Maybe Gordons system was more conducive to KO’s strengths…I hope he can get consistent and become a great player we know he can be….
Also: Gordon's style
Gordon’s approach was definitely more conducive to a guy who’s motor runs all the time. Not that Capuano holds him back, but it does require more passive coverage.
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I bet Grabs would be good in Gordos system...
Although he doesnt hit…I think that’s something he needs to start doing…All players should be able to throw an occasional hit…
i wonder...
if his recognition is just overshadowed by JT, moulson, and PAP? i’m sure the eye of sauron would pay attention to him if it wasn’t so distracted by JT and the others. would you say that if KO started putting out the “Gordon-like” effort we’d like to see him contribute, it would jeopardize his other roles such as defensive responsibilities? there’s some food for thought: understanding that roles and responsibilities for the betterment of the team take priority over personal agenda, but can everything be ultimately achieved as a truly complete player when discussing proper utilization of the skill sets of players?
"Redemption? Sure. But in the end, he's just another dead rat in a garbage pail behind a Chinese restaurant."
by gukid17 on Feb 10, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just wanted to point this out
but I was going back and forth with someone who was complaining that Butchie always called every goal against DP “No chance to get” but not for Montoya. Tonight after the Gomez goal, Butchie said Nabby had no chance, he says it all the time.
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He has said for all Isles goalies.
He has said it even regarding opposition goalies.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 9, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
He also says he was 90% on breakaways in his day
I think Goring has the scorer’s mentality: Goalies are just minor obstacles on the way to glory.
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by Dominik on Feb 9, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
A serious question
Were the goalies as athletic back then? (I only started watching in the 90s.) It seems goalies with stand-up style mentality would be easier to score on during a breakaway, especially when the forward has a lot of speed. (Some of Grabner’s efforts on breakaways are well-placed, but the goalie goes post-to-post to steal the goal.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 10, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
combination of things
Athletes pretty much train year-round now, and goalies are no exception. They’re bigger, they’re quicker, and their play is much more refined. Better, lighter equipment lets them be more aggressive and reactive.
They may possibly be weirder as well, but we don’t have complete statistics from back then, so there’s no way to test the theory.
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Too hard to test findings. Universe is too humongous big.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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by OzzyFan on Feb 10, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Awesome.
No way they’re weirder today. They had to be really weird back then to face pucks willingly. Gratton was a reincarnated wolf.

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what a hideous jersey
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
by ArsenalLI on Feb 10, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
what a hideous jersey franchise
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by Dominik on Feb 10, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
That was the ONLY Rags jersey I ever like!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Feb 10, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know hybrid humans existed. Huh.
I guess Dolan just leaves his checkbook on the any ranger GM desk. “Man wolf seems to be a good idea for a goalie, a real pack leader type”. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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In those days
The Garden and its teams were owned by Gulf and Western, whom Peter Vecsey of the Post called Engulf & Devour. The Dolans were, I believe, confining their miserable act exclusively to Long Island, cashing in on the Islanders early success. In Gratton’s day, you could still catch the Rags on Channel 9 for most road games and some home games, which were usually on tape delay
by kennyboy13 on Feb 10, 2012 5:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gratton was a reincarnation of a soldier in the Spanish Inquisition
He was killed by his own side because he couldn’t stop the puck then either. The mask was supposed to intimidate other teams, but he scared the Rangers more with his play. Goalies had to be weirder in the old days, for the simple reason they were facing all those shots with no mask.
I know Mike's played some goalie
I can not understand why it took until the Late 80s/Early 90s for someone to come up with Butterfly style. Sometimes when I was a coach I would stand in as a goalie if our goalie couldn’t make it, and to make it far to the kids I wouldn’t drop down. It’s really tough to stop pucks standing up, so much more of the net open. When you drop you know that they can’t score low, then it’s a matter of reading the shooter or knowing which side he’ll go for.
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I think it had to do with equipment, too.
A lot of chicken and egg going on throughout the process: Curved blades created higher shots. Higher shots created more masks. More masks created more options to go down for percentages rather than for cause (unless you were crazy Glenn Hall). Stick advances, goalie equipment advances, pads that didn’t get waterlogged from going down for 60 minutes, etc.
I don’t know if you’ve seen some of the goalie pads from the last decade, but it’s ridiculous how the knee channel and calf and thigh pads are made so that going into butterfly is no sweat.
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Yea
I was going to say the pads, mostly the leg pads. There’s no way the butterfly would be effective with those early 80s ones like this:

There would have been too much room to cover with the glove and blocker to make it effective. I also suspect there would have been a gap underneath the pads along the ice.
It’s so odd to me that the league seems so desperate to increase scoring, but never addresses it through this. I guess they did at one point, when Snow’s pads were just an absolute joke, but seems like they could take it down another level.
Those look like my street hockey pads..
But seriously, this is what it should be like…The NHL made it so hard for guys to score because they allowed the pads to get so big…Why is that? Goal scorers goals are few & far between. This is why low scoring games is so prevalent…I think it would make it more entertaining if they made the pads smaller and it would attract more fans…
Dominik's correct
The old gear made it very difficult to use a butterfly. Some of these guys weren’t even playing with masks and helmets in the 60’s, and so keeping one’s noggin out of the path of the puck was absolutely essential. (Gerry Cheevers’ famous mask came from his habit of marking how many stitches each puck would have cost him if he wasn’t wearing it.) On top of that, chest and arm gear was stuffed, quilted felt, and a catcher’s chest protector – the equivalent of wearing a heavy winter jacket. The puck hurt like hell when it hit you, so goalies tried to take shots off the leg pads and blocker, or catch them. Finally, the leg pads were heavy and not designed to do anything but protect the legs. (With no such thing as a butterfly goalie, why make pads specifically to maximize coverage down low? It was only extra weight slowing you down.)
Things began to change when the gear got lighter and more protective. Goalies’ quickness became more of an asset, they were able to be more fearless, and as they developed techniques to go along with the new approach, the gear was modified to match their varying style. The maximum width of a leg pad, for example, is now 11" – the old max was 10". Since pads deformed more easily then, usually the pad was less than 10" to account for any expansion caused by absorbed moisture or wear and tear. Smitty’s also smaller through the chest and arms. (Another strike against the butterfly back then: you took up less room with your body when you went low, which is why a lot of keepers went with pad stacks and such.)
“Crazy ol’ Glenn Hall,” as Dom points out, played butterfly anyway. In doing so, he paved a path for the rest of us weirdos. He probably also freaked out his coaches, because he wasn’t “doing it the right way.” That’s another lesser-remarked pressure that kept the butterfly from gaining wide acceptance sooner. Coaches hate unorthodox things. Jacques Plante was actually ordered NOT to wear his mask for fear he wouldn’t be able to see the puck well. If he hadn’t been one of the best goalies in the world he might well have been benched instead. Luckily he was and played just as well with it.
And yes, I realize that I broke my no Internet promise. I just can’t quit all you fake people living in the magic glowing box. Though I see that Backhand Shelf had eleventy-eight stories mentioning Scott Gomez today… I’m more at peace with it. Give the man his moment.
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by mikb on Feb 10, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's the history of it right there. Nice.
And have you seen any interviews with Glenn Hall these days? They’re awesome. He’s just an aww-schucks old man chilling in his house in Alberta. If he has grandsons they must love visiting. “Sure it hurt taking a puck off the face, but that’s just what was done in those days.”
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rec'd
I still think they should do something about the size of the goalies pads…They are gigantic! You mentioned that the size regulation is only an inch bigger than they used to be back in the day…It should be the exact opposite, IMHO…They should make the pads an inch smaller than they used to be instead of an inch bigger…That would make it just 9" as opposed to 12"…They should also reduce the upper sides and well…
The butterfly style, which became vogue in teh 90s, drastically improved goalies as well.
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Oh Webbard beat me to it.
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If you ever catch the '93 Quebec vs. Montreal playoff series on NHL Network
It’s like watching the standup and the butterfly ships passing in the night — and this is even before Roy became fully butterfly engaged.
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i think it was someone on hockey night live who said it best......
back in the day goalies had to “make saves”. Today goalies just need to let the puck hit them. Combination of the game evolving and much, much bigger equipment.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 10, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thats right and it sucks for the sport...
It must be so frustrating to be a goal scorer in this league…I know it is frustrating to watch as a fan…Its so hard to be a consistent goal scorer because of how tough it is to actually find a whole between all those pads…Im sure players need to get used to the fact that they are not gonna score every game unless you are a guy with a Stamkosian shot…
Things you never see anymore of an NHL goalie
Kick save
Stick save
Cut down the angle (standing up)
Stacking the pads
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by Russel Ginart on Feb 10, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
You see stick saves a bit and every now & again stacked pads...
But barely ever…Sometimes I wonder why not get a sumo wrestler to play net…If Wang had any good ideas that was one, lol…Why the heck not?
Exactly- he sees everything through the mentality of the goalscorer being unstoppable- and thats why the goalie has “no chance”. :)
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 10, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Well, when you are a goalie playing against john tavares, it's better to have just called in sick then have the inevitable occur.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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by OzzyFan on Feb 10, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sort or related to this
When I got to interview Bossy I was excited to ask him, almost shoptalk-wise, how he as a shooter would approach today’s goalies who are obviously better and leave less to shoot at than in his day. The interview went a little cold at that point.
You can argue it’s because, who wants to argue hypotheticals (e.g. He was best among his peers in his day, so surely he’d have commensurate advances and be best among his peers today), but I got the feeling there was a little more goalscorer’s self-assuredness, “Of course I’d still pot 50” kind of undertone to it.
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He probably just didn't understand why having a goalie in net would even matter.
“I usually just shot around them…seemed the easiest way to get it the net. Sometimes they’d get in the way, but not too often.”
by Les Beaver on Feb 10, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
Thats the problem tho….Its almost impossible to shoot around these goalies pads these days…But Im sure if “The Boss” was in this generation he would figure it out…
what are you talking about Dominik?

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by mikb on Feb 10, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
In fairness
I’m certain it didn’t start out that way. I had commented on that earlier in the year too. He is an islander and has been around DP forever so I’d almost understand not being a fan of Nabby in the beginning.
That said, he has certainly changed his tune lately. He was pretty hyper-protective of DP though (or completely oblivious)…because mostly he would say the no chance thing when DP left the net and set things up…whereas if Nabby did it, he’d call out the wandering. Nabby hasn’t really done that in a while either.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 10, 2012 7:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The worst thing is
Because Gomez scored, the Isles loss is going to be huge news everywhere – Puck Daddy, nhl.com, etc. etc. I’m going to just sleep all day tomorrow if that’s OK with the Internet.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 9, 2012 11:24 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Maybe PAP will re-sign
Push Gomez further down the new cycle. Then the Internet will laugh at you, since your won’t find out until Saturday.
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by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 9, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
I never really got the gomez goalscoring thing because he's always been an assists guy that averaged 10-15goals/season most of his career.
He’s been on heavy decline and is near his mid-30s. I love the mocking, but seeing him not scoring a goal in a year isn’t as unbelievable as most people make it. But that stupid contract sather gave him was rediculous, and if habs fans want to publicize their “suckicity” of having Gomez, fine by me. lol. At the end of the day, they look like idiots for taking on that contract and having that player. 2 more years after this one of $7.35mil/yr cap hit Gomez! I swear Sather must done something behind the scenes to get rid of him, and the Rangers got McDonagh and Higgins out of that deal. Incredible.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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Suckicity
not sure if it is a City of Suck or an adverb of Suck.
lol. I meant adverb, never thought about the city of suck.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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Yeah, it's definitely a little more for sport than for reality
He’s actually still effective in several ways, just absurdly overpaid. And never a goalscorer.
Damn you, Bob Gainey.
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Well, I mean, even Jon Sim would get one or two goals a year that just bounced off him.
Gomez is a skilled player, so a year is a long time to go without a goal.
I had to leave for a game early, midway through the 3rd.
Isles GFA while I was watching: 0.00. While not watching: 12.00.
But I guess in fairness there were others who simply turned their TVs off, right?
I’m tempted not to go back and watch the last 10 minutes because of the missed icing call, but I probably will.
I’m disappointed, but, honestly, can we fairly expect Isles to play better without Hamonic in the lineup? Even with Hamonic in, they are challenged on D. Out of the forwards, we can expect effective games from JT, Moulson, PAP, Martin, and Nielsen most nights. Okposo, Grabner, and Bailey some nights. (Bailey more lately.) And for any of the other 4 to have a good night is unexpected.
I don’t expect JT, Moulson, PAP, or Martin to play much better next season, so that means some of the other 8 forwards will have to step it up a little. And I think they will.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 9, 2012 11:57 PM EST reply actions
after gomez scored I started playing Gears of War
so no, you weren’t the only one who quit out
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
Campaign or multiplayer?
That game is awesome for Coop
was playing horde with my friends
I switch up between that and the “players choice” playlist because I refuse to buy downloadable content
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
Ive been sucked into SkyRim.
This is the first time I’ve even attempted a roll playing game cuz I knew it would take up too much time & mind space, lol….You can spend hrs doing nothing in that game, lol…I wish more games came out with good Coop campaigns like GoW and Halo…
I just finished that game Rage and Borderlands…Red Dead Redemption was awesome too…
I went to Arkham City after he scored.
Got a text it was 3-2, but I didn’t turn it back on hoping they’d keep it up.
It's a tough road ahead of us.
We still have the 2ndary scoring issues and the sub-par D that is now injured and even worse and even slower(lol). And to make things even weirder, I’d say A-mac, Eaton, and Ness were our best d-men tonight defensively in my eyes. Streit got caught deep pinching a few times(what a surprise), Staios was ugly slow Staios(and why does he make skating and stick fakes, he’s a dinosaur and not gonna deke someone and fly past them. lol), Juice cost us the 1st goal and made a few mistakes. It’s still early, but I’m not sure Rakh fits with Martin and Bailey. At times he looks like he’s totally on a different page then them. Martin and Bailey run through people, battle on the boards, and fight around the net. Rakh floats and sometimes shys away from board battles and makes defensive gaffs(also stays away from some contact, but that I get because of his size). I’d be interesting in seeing nino with them at some point. Nino fits their style of “physical/battling/hustling//fight for every inch” type of line/players.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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Rakh
I don’t know what his MO is. I’m not really a prospects guy. What I think this line needs is a finisher. When I say his size I assumed Rakh was more of a sniper/perimeter guy but he sure hasn’t played that way so far. F’ng baily just looked f’ng ridiculous tonight in my eyes. Strong on the puck driving plays. If we can find his MMoulson that would be our #2 line (I personally will always consider Frans/Grabs more of a checking line)
Wish there was an edit button
To clarify I consider Frans to be a Stanley Cup champion quality 3rd line center material. That’s my preferred soundbyte and I will not explain it any further.
If he ends up being a Stanley Cup water-boy for the Isles, I will be happy.
But yeah, I think he’ll end up being 3rd line when Isles are competing for cups.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 10, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure about Rakh. At times he looks good on the puck and smart and determined. And at times he looks on a different page and weak and unnoticable(and the D lapses do worry, but next to Martin/Bailey he should be "ok").
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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Rakh looks weak
Maybe he needs to ht the weight room a lot. He doesn’t seem strong with the puck. Skating is fine but he can’t seem to do much with it. I’d like to have Ullstrom back with Martin and Bailey for a while.
Rakh seems the third on the page in that trio
I’m hoping the combo continues because I want to see if it’s something he adapts, or what.
He’s an RFA this summer too, so selfishly I’d just like to have a better clue of where he’s at. (I’m sure they’ll qualify him regardless.)
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Yeah, I'm all for giving that experiment more time.
I’d just like to see Nino in at least a handful of games somewhere on the top 9 this year to see how far away he is from being an impact top 9 player next year.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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I agree about Rahk....Nino needs to be put in with Bails...Its time...
But it wont happen until the playoffs are way out of reach..Watch
i unfortunately missed the game and will miss the game saturday...
sucks to hear that they lost a tough one to the habs. i always fear the worst when i miss a game, but in the end it really doesn’t matter. i hope they come back strong saturday and give me something good to look forward to when i get home sunday. thank God for LHH.
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Okay, I watched the last 10 minutes.
1) Yes, the non-icing call was bad, but I see how the linesman maybe could have thought it deflected off of Islander right on the player who iced it. It was hard to tell in real time from the camera angle, but it should be easier on the ice.
2) Around 1 minute they called Okposo/JT offside when it was obvious that it wasn’t. I thought that was more clear-cut than the bad icing call.
3) Good job of Martin going right in front of Price. I wish they did that more of the game. When a goalie is as good as Price, put a player right in front of him as much as you can. He made it easy for Streit.
4) Isles seemed to have lucked out that Moulson’s shot wasn’t considered above the crossbar. If the initial call was no-goal, I don’t think they could have overturned that with the video evidence. (Without a camera that is exactly cross-bar level, it makes it difficult to overrule the call on the ice when it is close.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 10, 2012 12:35 AM EST reply actions
re: Offside
And earlier in the game, I swear they let an obvious offside with Okposo/JT go! I don’t know, maybe HD and better camera angles are showing us just how hard this game is to officiate, but it just seems like leaguewide lately there’s gaffe after gaffe.
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Tonight, I thought they missed a total of about 5 offsides. Refs looked horrible tonight.
They didn’t call anything that wasn’t blatant. Except for that weird JT interference call where it looked like he was interfered with. Refs were crap again and it’s very apparent that without special teams in play we have a hard time coming away with good wins. PAP literally had 3 missed calls against him alone and Eaton got high sticked as evidence for the crap reffing. I don’t understand this. Are we getting the same refs most nights now? I know we are one of the least taking penalty teams in the NHL, but we are playing teams that take multiple penalties a game, I think the average team takes 4 minors a game~, and still getting screwed over. It’s just maddening. Refs wanna call games loose and it’s a big disadvantage to us since we aren’t a scrappy team and we are excellent on the PK/PP. We all saw the Leafs vs us back to back. We have to battle very hard for pts in those games. I don’t know what to think. Maybe call up Dibo as an agitator for the 4th line to draw some more? Enough rabble rabble.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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on that offsides
moulson was low out of the picture, and the cam then went on him so i assumed it was him jumping offside
i thought for sure that goal was illegal/high
the icing was gross, but so were some of the non-calls early, MON was picking our guys all fn night… i guess vs the canadian teams only the blatantly obvious penalties will be called in our favor
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when you run into a hot goal tender, just ask Philly. We got our share of that tonite but it wasn’t from lack of trying. I thought the Isles played good game. Jump was there, quality play-making & passing. Sometimes you lose but as long as the effort is there, I can’t complain.
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Our D play
Seems to be my regular rant now, but I still have a hard time finding positives in our d play. I thought our forwards did well to generate some very good scoring chances last night but ran into a very good goalie having a very good night. These scoring chances were created despite our terrible d play. I get that the D want to be careful when having the puck on the opposing team’s blue line as to avoid the blocked shot and the turnaround break out, but wow…we just always seem to either dump the puck in their corner, or bounce it off their shin pads and it seems the puck gets to the net very rarely. Our break out passes, even many of the easy ones, seem to miss- so very rarely are they tape to tape while the forward is wheeling. I was happy to see Ness make a few plays and have some spunk. He has some intriguing skills for sure. Just imagine what our forwards could do with better D play…
Am I missing something
Or is anyone else unimpressed with Nino? I keep waiting for something to break and I understand the development curve but to me he just seems unprepared for the NHL. Don’t get me wrong I would LOVE to be wrong and I really want to hear other people’s input (not sarcasm) but it just seems like he’s tenative and fumbling at times. The fluidity comes with time but to be honest I feel like Martin has been exhibiting more offensive prowess than Nino. I understand that Martin has been in the league longer but Nino was the 5th pick overall. Is it the line he’s on? I think the Baily Rahk Martin (The bridgeport alumni game line) has been playing really well. Thoughts?
Nino's 19 and is playing with offensive dynamos Jay Pandolfo and Tim Wallace in a limited role on the 4th line
He had a few excellent drives at the net last night, but what do you expect with his linemates? When he gets better talent around him, then he’ll get better. I wouldn’t worry too much about Nino.
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by Fabtraption on Feb 10, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Tough to say
He’s shown glimpses of both (unready and maybe ready for a promotion) for me. He’s using his physicality in good ways, but he also gets caught in deep when he doesn’t anticipate which side of a body or puck he’s going to end up on. Reminds me of Martin last year in some ways.
Offensively, he’s shown a few flashes but that is harder to gauge since he’s saddled with Wallace and (to a lesser extent) Pandolfo. Have to note that Pandolfo set him up with that great chance last night.
I think the little things need a lot of grooming, and I suspect that’s why Capuano is keeping him in a reduced role still. I will say I don’t think you should underestimate the difference in age and pro experience between Martin and Nino. Nino is very raw and more than two years behind by any measure.
Anecdotally it some times takes these bigger bodies longer to figure out how to apply their skills and natural attributes at the NHL level. They’re not speedsters or stickhandle-in-a-phonebooth types and they do have size as an asset instead, but it takes a while to figure out how to use it when suddenly you’re not the biggest guy in the room and even the smaller guys are used to eluding guys like you.
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by Dominik on Feb 10, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

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