Islanders Climb in NHL Power Rankings; Parenteau vs Moulson
There were plenty of links to digest in the morning bits (while we weren't sacking those responsible for site delays) and last night's postgame, but here's plenty more along with our weekly NHL Power Ranking roundup.
- Dylan Reese is out 4-6 weeks with an MCL sprain. Milan Jurcina's elbow will determine whether another callup's needed for tomorrow vs. the Habs; Frans Nielsen's contract extension was formally announced today.
- The Skinny from last night's game points out this is just the second time the Islanders have had a five-game point streak this season.
- Afternoon audio: Catch Evgeni Nabokov on @NHLHomeIce at 4:25 with Scott Laughlin and then on @nhllive at 5:25 with @DebPlacey and @KenDaneykoMSG. Also the SNY metro hockey podcast is up.
- Comparing P.A. Parenteau and Matt Moulson from a fantasy point of view. Also from Dobber: Why are there fewer high scorers these days?
- And at Arctic Ice: Fun with charts - Alex Ovechkin: before and after
SatanDale Hunter - Copper & Blue: Wait, just how much of a draft edge has Ken Holland had?
Media NHL Power Rankings Survey
Here is our weekly roundup of media rankings and commentary, which were compiled before last nights victorious-but-frightening scoreless draw with the Flyers.
| Outlet | Rank | Last Week | Their Commentary |
| CBSSports | 23 | 25 |
John Tavares continues to be one of the hottest players in the NHL, adding four more goals and two more assists over his past five games. |
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THN (Proteau) |
24 | 26 |
Matt Moulson an impressive plus-11 on inconsistent Isles; next best are John Tavares/Travis Hamonic (plus-4) |
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ESPN (Burnside) |
23 | 28 | The Isles have put together a nice run of performances, going 6-2-2 in their past 10, which is typical of a franchise that has a knack for winning games when they don't matter. |
| Sportsnet | 24 | 24 | John Tavares was named the NHL’s player of the month for January, and the Isles won a pair of road games last week. [Ed. note: Good talk, Russ.] |
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TSN (Cullen) |
16 | 18 | One regulation loss in the last eight games for a very top-heavy team. Their top four forwards -- John Tavares, Matt Moulson, P.A. Parenteau and Kyle Okposo -- have combined for 65 points on 40 Islanders goals since the beginning of January. |
| Fox | 24 |
26 | The Isles have five goals in their last 19 power plays and rank sixth in the league at 19.8 percent. |
| Average |
22.3 |
24.5 |
Scott Burnside tempers praise with another insult-by-numbers shot, which is typical of a scribe who has a knack for choosing ancient punchlines over actual insight. |
For reference, here is last week's power rankings post.
For a more elaborate reaction to ESPN's troll in residence, we turn to mikb and his reaction when their rankings and rank commentary were posted earlier this week:
Seriously, [Avery] this guy. The Isles are only one point behind Tampa Bay: Burnside notes that the Lightning are "capable of making a surprise charge to the postseason from back in the pack." The Lightning are still eight points back of the Panthers for the division lead with Washington AND Winnipeg between them. They have the 26th-ranked power play (with Stamkos and St Louis!), the 24th-ranked penalty kill, the second-most goals permitted in the league (only Columbus has more, and they've played one more game). Even I wasn't as much of an Avery to the Columbus Dispatch as he is to the Islanders.
The point about the write-ups for the teams surrounding the Isles (above and below) resonates.
Speaking of da media, Neil Greenberg of 25 Under 25 infamy follows through on last night's tweeted promise of some Islanders praise. He says his ESPN Insider piece [$7 please] lists Frans Nielsen as a Selke candidate. I assume Nielsen was a candidate by this criteria last year as well, since Nielsen should be a Selke candidate for the past three seasons.
Real Power Rankings
And now on to our weekly "real" power rankings courtesy of Mike, or ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles (who is the one you'll find tirelessly compiling FIG picks in the game thread), who conceived and delivers these week after week. They are calculated in true "power ranking" fashion -- i.e. how well teams fare based on their opponents' records.
These reflect figures through Monday's games. For the first time in a while we have a little disparity between the media average and our own Power Ranking tally -- but in this instance the media rankings flatter the Isles (largely thanks to TSN rating the Isles highly).
| W | L | OTL | Pts | Pct | PWR | ||
| 1 | This Thing That Should Not Be |
33 | 12 | 5 | 71 | 0.710 | 2128 |
| 2 | St. Louis | 30 | 14 | 7 | 67 | 0.657 | 1976 |
| 3 | Detroit | 35 | 17 | 2 | 72 | 0.667 | 1973 |
| 4 | Vancouver | 32 | 15 | 5 | 69 | 0.663 | 1960 |
| 5 | Boston | 33 | 16 | 2 | 68 | 0.667 | 1945 |
| 6 | San Jose | 29 | 15 | 6 | 64 | 0.640 | 1868 |
| 7 | Philadelphia | 30 | 16 | 6 | 66 | 0.635 | 1862 |
| 8 | Nashville | 32 | 17 | 4 | 68 | 0.642 | 1827 |
| 9 | Pittsburgh | 30 | 19 | 4 | 64 | 0.604 | 1794 |
| 10 | New Jersey | 30 | 19 | 3 | 63 | 0.606 | 1774 |
| 11 | Chicago | 29 | 17 | 7 | 65 | 0.613 | 1756 |
| 12 | Florida | 24 | 16 | 11 | 59 | 0.578 | 1722 |
| 13 | Los Angeles | 25 | 18 | 10 | 60 | 0.566 | 1712 |
| 14 | Toronto | 28 | 19 | 6 | 62 | 0.585 | 1706 |
| 15 | Minnesota | 25 | 19 | 8 | 58 | 0.558 | 1667 |
| 16 | Washington | 27 | 21 | 4 | 58 | 0.558 | 1649 |
| 17 | Ottawa | 27 | 21 | 7 | 61 | 0.555 | 1637 |
| 18 | Dallas | 27 | 22 | 2 | 56 | 0.549 | 1610 |
| 19 | Phoenix | 24 | 21 | 8 | 56 | 0.528 | 1604 |
| 20 | Colorado | 26 | 25 | 3 | 55 | 0.509 | 1563 |
| 21 | Calgary | 24 | 22 | 7 | 55 | 0.519 | 1536 |
| 22 | Winnipeg | 24 | 24 | 6 | 54 | 0.500 | 1477 |
| 23 | Tampa Bay | 23 | 23 | 5 | 51 | 0.500 | 1466 |
| 24 | NY Islanders | 21 | 22 | 8 | 50 | 0.490 | 1448 |
| 25 | Montreal | 20 | 24 | 9 | 49 | 0.462 | 1433 |
| 26 | Anaheim | 20 | 24 | 8 | 48 | 0.462 | 1413 |
| 27 | Buffalo | 22 | 24 | 6 | 50 | 0.481 | 1405 |
| 28 | Carolina | 20 | 25 | 9 | 49 | 0.454 | 1405 |
| 29 | Edmonton | 21 | 27 | 5 | 47 | 0.443 | 1400 |
| 30 | Columbus | 14 | 32 | 6 | 34 | 0.327 | 972 |
At the very very bottom ... my goodness, Columbus. A dropoff from 1400 to 972 is a guaranteed top-two pick, no?
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Isn't that just some little network on cable
I don't think they will ever get that big
by IDCWhoYouLike on Feb 8, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
seriously
nbc sports network seems to have a solid plan in place to beat up on espn… with a new Costas show, the MLS, and regular hockey nights, along with NFL shows produce by their sunday night people, i’ve already found myself watching that station more now than vs
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Hahahahahahahahahahhaah
Oh wait you were serious.
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They won't beat ESPN
because ESPN isn’t a sports channel, it’s an entertainment channel so it appeals to casual fans. That’s why they’re so closely tied to the NFL. Gambling and fantasy have made the NFL the lowest common denominator in sports, and have gained a lot of non-sports fans as watchers.
That said, NBC sports could carve out a niche with actual sports fans and be more along the lines of what ESPN used to be-a station serving the fans rather than the players.
ESPN? Never heard of it.
Awkward
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by NGreenberg on Feb 8, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It gets worse
Hes never heard of the Washington Post either
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ask Neil
I think he mans one of the cannons
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's how the President used to send mail in the 18th century
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 8, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
every time a comment makes me literally laugh out loud
I wish I could give it two recs
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Greenberg, still not ready to apologize and correct your MISTAKE yet?
by Metzfan22 on Feb 8, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Easy boss
This hatchet was buried long ago. Neil’s now a welcome contributor of sarcasm to our comment section
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A simple "I was wrong would work"
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 8, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think we have a better chance of winning the cup this season
than hearing that from him though.
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 8, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah lighten up Metzfan
He’s easily the 26th most sarcastic poster on these boards ;)
by GreekIsles83 on Feb 8, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
His SPI (Sarcastic Post Index) isnt where it could be just yet
sorry, it was just there for the posting
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ha! Well played.
"Shots aren't the important thing. Scoring chances are way more important than shots." - Bruce Boudreau
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by NGreenberg on Feb 8, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Too much of a passenger.
He relies heavily on the awkward dynamic created between him and the LHH community by his JT article. Unclear if he can do sarcasm without the supporting cast at this stage in his career.
Not saying he can’t just that it’s too early to tell.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Feb 8, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Sarcasm Mule
He gets us to the Snark Floor. Even if he’s not ready for first-post commenting, I’d rather see him get his reps here than over at IPB. He’s got nothing left to prove over there.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 8, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
He's always put in favorable situations!
His starts in the Sarcasm Zone are way higher than any other current writer. He always finds himself in situations where sarcasm is most likely. I’d like to see him snark against tougher competition.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Feb 8, 2012 8:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
True, but he does have a tendency to make stupid sarcastic comments
at times when the team doesn’t need to be down a man. I mean, I’d love to be a sarcastic dick to Talbot all the time, but to do it right in front of the refs and give the Flyers the man advantage – that’s just not good sarcasm management. Doug Weights sarcastic laugh and Cappys sarcastic smirk as he was headed toward the box says it all. I expect to see him in the press box next game making sarcastic jokes with that sarcastic asshole Howie Rose. Call up DiBo – that’s a sarcastic son of a bitch right there.
by Les Beaver on Feb 8, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's gonna come back and think that we are all completely cracked
Of course, he will be correct.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 8, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I grew up on ESPN, it was the coolest thing ever
Now, it’s the Lebron, Tebow, A-Rod’s mistress, and Favre’s pecker channel.
I’d rather carve my temple out of my head with a fork than watch that station.
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 8, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What irks me about ESPN is that they have Sportscenter on 14 hours of the day
Its practically the same channel as ESPNNews now
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I watch espn news even less, if that's possible.
I only watch ESPN to watch Monday Night football or watch Syracuse play basketball.
Even espn classic sucks. How do you screw up the past?
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 8, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I remembah!
when the Classic Sports Network started, before it was bought by ESPN. It was pretty much wall-to-wall classic hockey and baseball, with a little boxing thrown in. And it was glorious. Watching old Oilers/Flames games, which i didn’t get to see growing up, was great.
Then it went to ESPN and became the all early 90’s College Football Bowl channel. Forget it.
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by PGI on Feb 8, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
The only reason they rarely mention hockey
Is because it’s not on their channel.
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 8, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I loved the late 70's and early 80's basketball games
And I’ve never really been a big basketball fan, but whoa: Dr. J at his frotastic best, Bird and Magic and Dominique, the Showtime Lakers; not to mention the NCAA tournament games. Add in the hockey and baseball? Awesome.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Yup.
Channel 68 on UHF. It was fantastic. It was a worthy successor to the awesome U68 music video channel which was like the old WLIR on the TV.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Feb 8, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't that the Weird Al channel in his movie?
by martylnd on Feb 8, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh i wish every television program was like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KezvwARhBIc
"Redemption? Sure. But in the end, he's just another dead rat in a garbage pail behind a Chinese restaurant."
They did play a lot of Weird Al
An overall odd mix: New Wave, rap (lots of Run DMC, Fat Boys), heavy metal and some Weird Al as well.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Feb 8, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
You tube is awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWuSRuUp57g
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Feb 8, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
That promo is beautiful
The flattop! THE FOOT-TALL FLATTOP! I can’t stop looking at it.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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It was U62
You get NOTHING! Sooooooo STUPID!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 8, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
those were the days
one benefit of getting older is telling all the kids about how much better it was when you were younger.
It's the same up here
Up north of the 49th parallel in Quebec City (aka the future home of fill in the blank NHL team), we have TSN and TSN 2 and they show Sports Centre constantly with the same creepy shtick. If that ain’t enough, we have RDS and RIS in French so we get the same thing in our first language. It does sound better in French, but all these initials are owned by, you guessed it, the same goofballs that own ESPN, right down to the logos and everything. There’s no escape.
Hey man, that's inaccurate, they still show the games...
like12 hour marathon’s of Texas Hold Em and Billiards.
I thought that junk was supposed to be played on The Ocho?
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ha!
If they had Jason Bateman in a Zoolander wig covering the events, maybe I would watch more.
Effin A, Cotton!
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget bass fishing.
I remember when they bought the bass fishing tour, whatever that is, and they tried to shove a daily show down our throats.
Do they really expect us to believe more people watch bass fishing than hockey?
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 8, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
The sad thing is I don't want to know the answer to that!
by GreekIsles83 on Feb 8, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I live in Florida, and i know more people who like to watch hockey over bass fishing
I’ve seen 8,500 people at a minor league hockey game here, I’m doubting that many have ever attended a fishing event.
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 8, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN (the channel) and MTV followed similar paths to the lowest common denominator
It happens. There’s more money to be made and less effort to be expended.
I see ESPN The Website as a completely different animal, dependent on who’s producing the material.
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by Dominik on Feb 8, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe a little
Speaking for nobody else, I tend to dislike thoughtless fallback arguments. Not that everyone has to be an expert on every last team in the league, but if you know next-to-nothing, it’s more reason to dig a little. For the grief you took on the JT thing, you A) were a good sport about it and B) actually put thought and work into the numbers.
When Scott Burnside just uses his macros to type in “three-headed goalie” and “games don’t matter” he’s being lazy. Nabokov and Montoya have played very well, and DiPietro has been gone so long he’s really no longer a factor day-to-day. His contract hasn’t affected their ability to sign their core to good deals. And the Isles are taking points off of strong teams over the past two months and counting. But, hey – ten points out is back in the hunt, and eleven points back is “the games don’t matter.”
Now, if I were writing this up, I would point out that Tampa has fewer teams to jump over, and playing in the weakest division in the NHL gives them a second chance to get in even if they’re not in the top eight in points at the end. Meanwhile, the Isles play in one of the two toughest and have to catch teams they don’t get to play (and defeat) directly (Ottawa and Toronto). I could then point out that the Isles lost three points to the Leafs in their home-and-home, which really hurts their chances. But I’m not Scott Burnside.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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It reminded me of the Toronto guy (Howard maybe?) from a few years back
Who gave the Leafs hell for calling a stick-curve check mid-winter, instead of “back in November, when it mattered.”
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Hey Burnside
Go [Avery] yourself.
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
tsn has us at 16?
that’s playoff caliber baby!
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MM and PAP
Both toiling in the NHL and AHL before the Isles came and ‘saved’ them. Would you say a deal for PAP could fall in the same area that Moulson signed? Say 3 yrs. $9 million? Cap hit of $3M per yr? Same Cap hit as Grabs, little less than Moulson. Plus Frans and PAP equal Rolston’s hit plus about $750,000 more.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Feb 8, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions
PAP at $3 million a year would be amazing
I’m guessing around $4 mil, but I was a little high on my Nielsen projection.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 8, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I am figuring 4 for $14 or 15
That would be about right, right? $14 to 15 million for 4 years?
Somebody tell TSN to get off our jock
16? Come on, youre going to start losing readers and credibility if you keep showing the Isles respect.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 3:01 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
In my opinion
The Isles are a better team than the Panthers. Plus, these ranking arent based on the season as a whole, they’re weighed heavily on present performance.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because we're better than they are
and their uniforms are an ugly color.
by martylnd on Feb 8, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Per Lebrun on ESPN
“You mentioned the streaking Islanders, who have points in eight of their past 10 games (6-2-2). I really don’t think GM Garth Snow is shopping Nabokov at all at this point, because he believes his team still has a shot at making the playoffs. And frankly, I don’t blame him for thinking that, given how well his team has played and the fact the eighth-place Senators in particular are fading big time. The Isles are nine points back of Ottawa with four games in hand, although Florida and Winnipeg are also ahead of the Long Island club. Still, it’s not impossible. "
by AM7 on Feb 8, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Those Pierres have been real nice to us
Both McGuire and Lebrun, very heartened by their measured treatment over the last few months. It’s nice to be given at least a bit of respect from analysts that I, at least, do respect. That TSN ranking seems a bit inflated, but hell I’ll take it.
re-post
I put this on the previous thread, but thought it might be conversation worthy here.
Another way to look at this season so far (rather than “can we make the playoffs”)
This year v last year:
This year
52-22-22-8-52-122-147
Last year:
52-17-29-6-40-126-166
This is better news than worrying about how we can make the playoffs. Over the first 52 games they have 12 more points than last year, have scored 4 fewer goals, but have chopped off 19 goals against. It would be hard for them to continue the FEB/MAR 2011 pace, but if they did they would have 84 points. A very good improvement over last year’s mark, but not quite in the playoff race in April.
NYI 2008-09(61),2009-10(79),2010-11(73), 2011-12(?)
TOR 2008-09(81),2009-10(74),2010-11(85), 2011-12(?)
This is where TOR was last year, and look where TOR is this year. We have better forwards, and they have better D. So guess what we need to do ASAP. We were probably a year behind them because Milbury left the organization in complete disrepair, and the Isles tried for two years to make things wiork with scotch tape and Elmer’s glue.
I believe in ELI! Go Blue!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Feb 8, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Excellent points (literally!!)
I was looking at this myself earlier and was pleasantly surprised at our jump.
Isles rule, rangers suck... that's just how it is.
nice breakdown
Its good to see at an [NHL] .500 mark, and I am most happy to see the GA drop.
You comments on the GA makes me think of what I read about the Islanders during the early 70s, as described by Bill Torrey, “The first job of every inexperienced team is to cut down on the goals allowed. After that, you can start building more offense.”
Nowadays, the Isles are building both an offense and cutting down on GAs, but the point remains the same, if the team can’t keep the puck out of its net, and expanding that thought, keeping the puck out of its own zone, there can be no offensive output. But you see with a better defense the 2011/12 Isles are a better team for it.
Of course, now the Isles must face a rash of injuries to the D and that will be telling, and give a shot to some youngsters who many on this board are chomping at the bit to see up with the big club.
This
is Big, as far as improvement goes along. Shore up the Defense for 2012 and the team will finally be able to significantly drop GA and continue to improve on GF. A solid D core leads to less time in the D zone, to better outlets from the D zone, and better transition through the neutral zone to the O zone. This inevitably leads to more scoring opportunities and much needed secondary scoring.
THANK YOU.
Incidentally, we’re actually in far a better shape than Toronto was last year – our system is deeper. (They could’ve drafted that Tyler Seguin guy and another high pick this last year, but hey! Phil Kessel lol)
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Then you're nuts.
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by garik16 on Feb 8, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not indefensible
Kessel has been excellent for them. Seguin might not be so hot in Toronto without the kind of help he gets on Boston’s stacked roster.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 8, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Have to wait
and see what Seguin and Hamilton end up being. Plus there was the early second rounder too.
Kessel's been excellent for them this year
and has been just good the previous two. No way to know if he’ll continue.
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you could say the exact same thing about Seguin and hamilton,
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 8, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Age and control.
Years younger and cheaper for probably at least the same talent.
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It's all dependent on how the picks turn out though.
Not that I don’t think it’s looking bad for the leafs right now, I just think we won’t “completely” know about how bad this trade is until 5yrs down the line. Kessel is still a great offensive forward.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
If the Leafs were on the verge of being legit Stanley Cup contenders
then yes I make that trade. Because when the trade was made they had no idea the pick would be as juicy as it was, and if you think the scoring of Kessel gets you skating around the rink bench pressing the Stanley Cup at the end of the season, then sure.
But their team was not good enough to even be in Finals discussions, so the trade was pretty bad in my view.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Now we know which poster is Brian Burke!
by Les Beaver on Feb 8, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry, but it’s not THAT bad a trade for Toronto & everyone blows it up of proportion b/c it involved ‘blindly’ trading the #2.
Kessel has 150+ for Toronto & 120 more than Seguin in the same time. And he’s only 3 years older. And Kessel is carrying the team
The other pieces of that trade (Hamilton) may close the gap eventually, but it’s not like Toronto got no production for Seguin.
Right now, I don't think it's as bad as people are making it out to be.
Yes, it was bad from the start because the leafs weren’t a playoff team when they made the deal and they were likely giving up 2 early to mid 1st round picks for kessel, likely 2 10-15 overall picks. That said, Kessel is one hell of an offensive player. With ultimately little o-help in toronto, he was still putting up 33goal years, making him a consistent top 15-top 30 goalscorer in the nhl. That’s elite territory and Kessel skills wise is by all means an elite goalscorer with an elite shot that has been given a crap hand and had some bad goal droughts in toronto until this year. I would not 1 ounce be surprised if he nets 40goal/yr for the next 5yrs. And $5.4mil/yr for a top 25goal scorer isn’t bad.
It’s all about how Seguin(and Hamilton) turns out. Because Hamilton could bust and Seguin could turn out to be fragile or even a “mediocre” talent. In retrospect, the seguin pick hurts based on how high of a talent he is, but there is still no guarantee that Seguin is gonna be a repeat 33goal scorer/top 20goal scorer and top out at 40goals/yr. That’s what Kessel can and will do with the leafs now that he has a playmaker(or 2) around him. Seguin may never be that good. I can’t blame the leafs for making that trade. It looks like it’s gonna be and turn out bad because of the seguin pick, but that’s gonna be the decider. Because Kessel is by all means an elite goalscorer, question is will Seguin be a top goalscorer/pt producer for the bruins(and what comes of hamilton) repeatedly?
And then there is the question, what do you do with the Bruins situation if Seguin becomes a repeat 25-30goal player when his contract is up in a year and a half? And then Marchand and Horton and Lucic need a new contract that year too. Thomas will be 39 or retired by then too and there is a question of how solid in 50-60 starts per year can Rask be. It’s all a party now for Boston, but in a couple years it’s gonna be a crap storm. Boychuk is gonna be gone, Thomas is gonna likely be retired or gone, Kelly will likely be gone, Corvo might be gone, etc. And in 2yrs Ference is gonna be 35, Seidenberg is gonna be 33/32, Chara is gonna be 36/37. Half of their D are gonna be in the age of decline by then. There is gonna be a number of issues and question for the bruins in 2yrs of how their team is gonna look and be for the future. Obviously they should keep Seguin and build around him, but that likely also means early departures of other “key” players and half of their D will be aging.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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i have bruin envy too ozzy...
i disagree in assuming boston will hit a “crap storm” in a couple of years. boston has a great scouting department and they really have a good idea of what they’re doing there and how to manage their payroll. its possible that they might not be the best team in the league, but they’ll be one of the elite for a while as long as chiarelli and staff continue to make smart decisions. however, i believe you make fair points in your assessment of them. i could be wrong.
from what i’ve seen of him, Seguin is gonna be a top guy for years. in the end, boston looks set up for years w the kessel trade. jury is still out on hamilton, but lots of scouts really like his future. hamilton should be alright under the right tutelage of chara and co. i get this feeling the league really wants there to be a rangers bruins rivalry, so they’ll make sure both teams provide heavy matchups against one another, leading both teams to be solid for a while.
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The "crap storm" is obviously not "rebuild time".
The crap storm is them turning from an elite team to a borderline playoff team most likely if they deal with stuff wrong and a mid-playoff team with the right moves. I just can’t see how they stay at the top of the east for a decade without some major luck. Everyone has a cup there, and unless they have heavy “I’ll take a pay cut to stay and win another cup”, they will dismantle like any great team within 5yrs. Bergeron or Krejci will be gone within 4yrs. Horton and Lucic and Marchand will all be commanding $2mil+ increases in their pay in the next few years. Thomas will retire sooner then later. 70% of their D is underpaid right now and will need noticable raises or leave within the next few years and 1/2 of the D is in their mid-30’s. They should still be a playoff team for the next say 8yrs with their offensive firepower, but a cup contender is gonna take some luck. Just this offseason they are gonna lose their #3 d-man/boychuk.
They are either gonna be extremely unbalanced within 5yrs(all offense with little D), or they are gonna come down to earth. Just watch.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Agreed...
But I’m not so sure they don’t have enough to keep rising. I think Burke probably manages his assets a little better than Snow does, plus you have to factor in the TOR $$$ and LOCATION when it comes to UFA access.
We will get there cheaper and with more of a CORE, but I’m not so sure we’ll get there (winning a playoff series) faster. But I think when we do we will do it deeper… and for a longer period of time.
Sorry for making that sound like a commercial for EXTENZE.
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by JPinVA on Feb 8, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Scotch Tape and Elmer’s Glue: How Comrie, Kozlov and Fedotekno Helped Bring John Tavares to Long Island
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Feb 8, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure it wasn't even Scotch Tape and Elmer's Glue
looked more like store brand to me. Kirkland Signature maybe.
boogers and old chewing gum is more like it
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Why yes, I am biased. Why do you ask?
Let’s say the Islanders finish 9th or 10th with a record over .500, three guys in the Top 25 in points, one guy in the Selke conversation, a 21-year-old defenseman with a positive plus/minus on a defense-challenged team and a goalie with a near 2.00 GAA/.925 SV%. How does that not represent progress from dead last four years ago? Is it ESPN’s or Burnside’s job to only say it’s all-or-nothing?
I mean, I’m not asking for a parade or a statue to Capuano outside Bristol. But c’mon, you gotta crawl before you can run.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Feb 8, 2012 3:14 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Because of his unwavering obnoxiousness, Burnside pisses off other teams' fans too
Reading the comments section below one of his columns can be a real hoot because fans of just about every team take their shots at Burnside over something he wrote (or something he neglected to write). Obnoxiousness aside, he’s just a bad writer. He gets his facts wrong, his observations are pathetically obvious (he recently wrote a column telling GMs not to try to trade for Scott Gomez or Brian Rolston; WOW! Incredibly nuanced advice there!). As Dom points out, Burnside doesn’t provide genuine insight. What’s more, his “witticisms” (and I apologize for using that term here) are groan-inducing, and his prose style has all the grace of a high school student’s essay. I’m actually shocked that the “World Leader in Sports” can’t find a more competent columnist.
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by Captdallas on Feb 8, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I believe that "world leader" status is self-proclaimed.
Or in other words, not surprised one bit.
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Dom
I love the caption for the picture. That looks like a McGuire hologram straight out of an old Scooby-Doo cartoon.
Oh and the tagline for the blog probably needs to be changed. I don’t know about anyone else, but I put my angry mob torch away with the official news of the signing this afternoon.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
Heck, I'm rioting right now
:::dumps wastebasket on floor:::
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 8, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
:::kicks the refuse and shouts "Papir abe brystvorte!!!!!!*" ::::::
*" Danish for Paper Monkey Nipple".
Here’s something awesome: Backhand of Judgement in Danish: “Baghånd af dom”
by Les Beaver on Feb 8, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Here’s something awesome: Backhand of Judgement in Danish: "Baghånd af dom"
My god- that is so cool.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 9, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
This is a good point
But per requests it has been changed.
I’m going to toot my own intuition here, too: Mark suggested that “If Frans goes, we riot” slogan as something to use close to the deadline, but I sensed a tranquility in the force. I figured we had just a few days to use it.
PAP’s next.
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WIth this point
would we not riot if John Tavares went? Seems like the point was if he was not signed or traded before he signed, we would riot. Not just if he was sent out in the middle of the night willy nilly with a multi-year contract in his pocket. That would be Milbury-esque and losing Frans would be the least of your problems at that point.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think I'd give up being an Islander fan
I mean whats the point if we traded JT.
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
If you haven't noticed...
My Garth Snow is FOS rants went away as soon as I got over that moronic interview. He’s back (never really stopped) to doing the right things in my opinion. I just hate when they try to mask the obvious with SPIN.
Nielsen is an excellent signing. Parentau might be an excellent signing or trade… we really don’t know what all the options are. Hopefully, we’ll find out soon. The same thing goes for Nabby. These are options, though, the team hasn’t had in forever. No young vets, no high end prospects, no nuttin… just expiring assets with limited value.
I believe in ELI! Go Blue!
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by JPinVA on Feb 8, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Snow should do interviews more often.
He doesn’t have to make it a habit, but it helps put the fans’ ire to rest because he can spell out what the team’s intentions might be rather than allowing everyone else imagine what they might be.
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I agree with this
I actually think their outreach has gotten 100 times better over the last few years (part of this is social media and Web content in general), but can always get better. The lack of critical outlets probably insulates them a little.
It’s impossible to expect a team not to do PR spin on its own properties. But at least when they’re doing it frequently you know more about where they stand.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I agree...
and I bet TMC agrees with this. Let Doug Weight do the interviews. Garth is probably a great guy, but he definitely has a public speaking problem.
Plus.. I bet a few beers and some probing questions could get Dougy on tilt. Way more interesting interviews.
Maybe like this one.
I believe in ELI! Go Blue!
@JPinVA
I think it could come to that in due time.
But Dougies still learning about being a suit- Garth probably wants him groomed a bit more on how to talk without saying much of anything. :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 9, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
???
Is this the most pointless press release in the history of pointless press releases?
NHL to make major announcement Thursday
Wednesday, 02.08.2012 / 12:00 PM / News
The National Hockey League will make a major announcement in Detroit on Thursday, Feb. 9.
The press conference will take place at Comerica Park in Detroit, beginning at 10:30 a.m. ET. It will be carried live on NHL Network and NHL.com. The event will continue at Michigan Stadium in Ann Arbor, Mich.
What on earth could it be?
Allowing booze at the winter classic is a big deal.
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
by Anarcurt on Feb 8, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The NHL is helping the Isles get a new arena deal?
They are eliminating the shootout starting next season?
They are firing all the referees starting next season?
Sidney Crosby is changing his breakfast cereal to Fruity Pebbles?
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by Turgeon1992 on Feb 8, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he might have to fight John Cena for those Fruity Pebbles
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 8, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Crosby fancies himself part of Team Bring It.
That would probably make Ovechkin part of the Cenation.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
A little OT
but worth a little conversation, maybe, haven’t done too much research yet, but I was just looking at Columbus’ Goalie situation, which is on whole other level of suck, and was just thinking hmm do they want a goalie for next year that is actually legitimate and what would they be willing to give up in doing so. I realize goaltenders are a dime a dozen come the off season and everyone is looking for a starting job, so any back up is worth a shot, but it was just a thought, do not know where to go with it, but just a thought.
btw
this stemmed from this Cullen article on goalies, btw rates the Isles at 14 overall. And do not bother on the comments as you will find the usual DP contract stupidity.
We dont have an actual goaltender that could nelp them next year in the NHL besides Poulin
Nabokov and Montoya are both FA’s and would doubtfully re-sign with Columbus and Nilsson isnt ready to step in as a starter anywhere. And DiPietro isnt ready to step through a door. I doubt anything we had in goal would be headed the Blue Jackets way.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
was just kind of thinking on the seat of my pants on that one
after reading through the article. Well I guess if I was a playoff team and had a sure thing in a prospect while having NHL goaltending already, or a very good back up, I would look into seeing what they would give up.
But what if Columbus wanted a goalie with a lengthy contract who would probably never step foot on the ice?
They traded for a lengthy contract forward who cries about being on the team. I say roll the dice.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
I would like to see if the Islanders could get Steve Mason from Columbus
He’s had his seasons of struggle since his rookie season, but he is still young, could use a change of scenery along with a change of Conferences.
How many goalies do we need on this team?
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 8, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Snow will not rest until all positions are played or held by goalies.
Team pres: goalie
Equipment manager: goalie
Head trainer: goalie
Forwards: goalies
Defense: goalies
Sparky: goalie
Head coach: not a goalie (that one failed)
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NOOOOOOOOO
He’s not good at all. Seriously, I’d rather see Nathan Lawson or Steven Valiquette than Steve Mason.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 8, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Joey MacDonald.......maybe.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
by OzzyFan on Feb 8, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nabakov on Power Play
Laughed out loud when asked what he thought of re-signing with the NYI. Iucky for him he’s been lights out or I would hate him. Seriously, it’s not hard to say “right now I want to help this team make the playoffs…” but to just laugh is another slap in isles fans face
by themass on Feb 8, 2012 7:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Honestly, I might laugh too
He probably hears it all the time, when he’d rather just play his ass off now and see where it gets him. I read that more as a slap at the media than at the fans. That being said – yeah, it would be cool if he added, "Right now I want to help this team make the playoffs.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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wow
Watching the Bruins – Sabres game, want to take Incidental Contact on a goalie taken to another level. A goal was disallowed because Peverly apparently breathed on Miller.
by ghalbart on Feb 8, 2012 7:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Holmstrom just got a penalty for looking at the goalie
actually he got pushed, they missed that part
glad to see the blind refs are not only at Islander games
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 8, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
NHL making a major announcement tomorrow.
My 10 guesses
Isles re-signed Parenteau?
Is Bettman resigning?
Is there a new re-alignment plan?
Is Lidstrom announcing he will play forever?
Are they switching to softer pucks?
Will Claude Lemieux be signing pucks in Detroit all March to make it up to Wings fans?
Is NHL going to make the goals bigger? Would that matter for Okposo?
Is NHL announcing tomorrow that they have a major announcement for Saturday?
Is Crosby done?
Are they unearthing a major officiating conspiracy of which the NHL was not aware?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 8, 2012 8:07 PM EST reply actions
Uh arent they just announcing winter classic in Michigan?
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Could it be?
Are they awarding the stanley cup to the Maple Leafs and cancelling the rest of the season?
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Feb 8, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
They held a dispersal draft of Islander players
and awarded JT to Toronto.
It’s like a recess appointment when the Islanders are not in recess.
by martylnd on Feb 8, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
More Playoff Numbers
AGretz Adam Gretz
Since start of ’05 season only 2 teams overcame a deficit of 5 points or more on Feb. 8 to make the playoffs.
AGretz Adam Gretz
The two teams were the ’08-09 Blues (6 points out) and the ’06-07 Rangers (7 points out). Blues were actually in last place in West.
I hate leaving this site to read other islanders hockey info.
I just glanced through a couple isles fan threads with posts from isles fans and read these things on hfboards and islanderspointblank:
“Moulson, Parenteau and Grabner would be pretty much useless on a defensive line.”
“Resigning JT/KO/Grabner/Nielsen/Moulson” is a plan for us to finish in the bottom of the conference for another 3yrs without any outside acquisitions"
“Yeah, I can see them unloading PAP at the deadline for something, just so they can open up a top 6 forward spot to try to make a run at Parise”
“when you’ve never body checked anyone in your life you cant be one of the best at anything in hockey. "
“on a winning team, Nielsen is a fourth line center.”
“on a good team? Nielsen would barely play”
“rangers devils open up with two heavy weight fights on the face off,,thats hockey this team is a waste move to quebec,brooklyn siberia who cares…snow and wang suck,”
WOW. lol. I’m glad I have lighthouse hockey, there are a ton of (saying it nicely)highly uneducated and uncomprehensible isles/hockey fans out there. I knew that from going to games, but seeing it in words makes me wanna slap some people(which I wouldn’t do obviously) that call themselves hockey fans. Thanks Dom.
And this man needs the electric chair:
“can’t believe we just signed Frans "The Tulip" Nielsen to a 4-year deal. Another soft player that is highly overrated and seems have peaked on the upside already.”
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
by OzzyFan on Feb 8, 2012 11:03 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Whoever wrote that last one
He better hope Frans doesn’t find him, because if he does then someone is going to mysteriously vanish and wind up in Siberia 3 months later with a weird tattoo on his back and no recollection of who he is, where he is, and how he got there
Why yes, I do have a man crush on Bailey and Martin, and no, I don't care what you think about it
by DarthDoyle on Feb 8, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The only part of that that is incorrect is the no recollection part.
When Frans takes out his vengeance upon a man, he does NOT let that man forget it. That poor fool will remember the punishment for his insolence every time he closes his eyes, or wakes up from his fitful slumbers, or opens a can of soup, sips water, whatever.
Hell? You don’t know Hell until Frans shows you Hell. And you DO NOT FORGET THAT HELL. That fool will be begging God to end his Earthly life and send him to Satan’s Hell, cause it cannot be worse than Frans Hell.
There’s a Danish myth that God himself watched Frans mete out punishment once. All God could say was, “Dude….”

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