Head Coach
by Mets 2010 on Feb 21, 2012 9:24 PM EST
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My personal opinion is it's time for a change behind the bench. I also think Garth Snow has to go to...........but that's another story. I've been an Islanders fan my whole life and rarely ever miss a game, but I'm just tired of the same old story about a youth movement. Our salary cap at start of the season was dead last at 29,727,500. I would love to see some spending during the off season. Yeah Wang you want a new building?? bring in a product that people will pay to see. I know it's not fair to blame all the losing on Jack...... but I just think a change is in order.
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Nothing in your post
explained why you think a coaching change is in order, except for just making a change for changes sake.
All the issues you listed will still exist if we switch coaches.
by TA on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
You Left Out Hartley, Therrien and Crawford
I like Cap, but you’ve got to wonder when you have Pat Flatley standing at ice level saying that the team didn’t match the Sabres’ compete level and they weren’t “buying in” to what they were trying to accomplish.
Cap’s pretty much doing the best with what he has. But you’ve got to wonder if they wouldn’t be better off next year with a “name” coach who could bring more credibility and reputation to the bench.
If you want to do a poll about a coach, just do a FanShot poll about a coach
A coach does not control the youth movement, the payroll, the salary cap, a new building.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Feb 22, 2012 12:09 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I have no difficulties with Cap as Coach for next season
.. much as I have no real principled problems with the performance of the team this season. This team is not good enough to challenge for a Cup — I think that goes without saying. My question, and I do not expect an answer to that until next season, is “Is this organization moving in the right direction?” Right now, I believe the answer is a resounding “Yes” and until the answer becomes “No”, I am not going to complain too much.
I am, as most will know, a patient, long suffering guy and am fully on board with letting the BP Kids, as much as possible, do their thing in BP this season. Cap, Snow and the coaching staff there can evaluate them in Sound Tigers Orange and Blue just as well as in Isles Black and Grey and they just might accomplish something there which has lasting importance above and beyond making us feel like the old guys are gone. I don’t need to see them floundering in the NHL to make myself feel that the youth movement is being served.
When Garth fired Scott Gordon last year, I was concerned that he was firing the Coach simply for the sake of firing the Coach. It resulted in a nice turnaround, but it still was firing the Coach for the sake of firing the Coach. He had a chance to sit back and look around. Marc Crawford. Ken Hitchcock. A highly experienced NHL coach. They didn’t do that and I will not rehash that decision.
But to replace Cap now is the same thing: firing the Coach solely for the purpose of firing the Coach. It serves no purpose other than to look busy.
In September, I expect the BP kids to be taking all the jobs. In February/March next year, I expect a team solidly in the Playoffs. If that isn’t happening, then we’ll start questioning.
"...I was here on Day 1 when Garth decided to do the rebuild, and I really want to see it through." -- Frans Nielsen
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Feb 22, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions
Rolston, Staois, Pandolfo, Reasoner
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Feb 22, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dirrk-a-derr!!!
When I go out on the ice I am at peace. This is my best element. No one can talk to me. No one can bother me. I just go play. That is why I love it so much - Chris Osgood
by backstop87 on Feb 22, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True not a logical argument
But a new attitude may well be necessary. I mean, Cappy seems like a nice guy, etc. But could that be part of the problem? Some of the problems may be tied to discipline. Anyway, either a coaching change, patience, or both is what we will need in the end.
But the idea of someone entirely different with a lot of experience like Jacques Martin is somewhat appealing, if not unlikely.
It is Diduck.
Uh we just did that with Cappy, right?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but did Cappy accomplish anything
like what’s going on down in Bridgeport this season? (I genuinely don’t know).
Still feels weird cheering for Nabokov
in 125 NHL Games
Cappy is just 5 games under .500
Gordon was 30 games under .500 when he was fired after 194 games
Nolan was 6 games over .500 after his 2 seasons, 163 games.
I don’t think Cappy is doing all that bad, and I really think the anchor bringing down the team is the Defense.
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by Mark D on Feb 24, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've always wondered...............
if a coach heads up a winning team he gets lots of credit example Torts of the Rags, even though he has lots of talent. and of course if the NYRs go out in an early round he is going to get criticized even though the game is won and lost on ice with the same players who presumably performed poorly. The point is that it is even harder to grade a coach of a team [the Isle’s] who are in todays’ PC are talent challenged. Its been said in pro baseball [by bill Torre] that the manager can influence the final outcome of about 15 games the whole season by his managerial decisions. ie. pinch hitters, bunting, pitching changes etc. A similar situation exists in hockey. The key difference is that hockey is a physical game and the way the team plays is more a function of the kind of players the GM has chosen.
Cappy can only do so much
I agree with some of the comments that have been made in regards to cappy. He can only work with what he has. Change (for the sake of change) will not necessarily bring different results. Let’s face it, the Islanders are what they are…. A .500 team who have put together a nice little streak to get our hopes up in the playoff chase. The juice may have been squeezed out of the lemon just to get this point.
IF the islanders were to consider a coaching change, they would need to hire a proven, whip-cracking coach. However, with that comes some needed changes to the philosophy of the team. To get a veteran coach, he needs some veteran players. Quality veteran players. They are not signing here as UFA’s, so they would have to come via trade. This means letting go of some highly rated prospects to get proven players. Which means opening up the purse strings. Will that happen? Probably not.
Your list isn't promising
Cappy is a stop gap coach, and I doubt the high flyer prima dona coaches will be interested for a couple more years when the prospects and kids have matured and improved.
The guy who I think will ultimately will replace Cappy is Brett Thompson, who is currently coaching BP. Let Thompson have another year at least to cut his teeth in the AHL, then call him up to NHL in 2013-14 or the next season.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 22, 2012 2:35 PM EST reply actions
LOL
The rebuild continues with the Islanders “calling up” coaches. That’s hilarious.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Feb 22, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta go with "Other"...and I might know just the man
Joaquin Oviedo, skipper AND manager of the Liga Mexicana Élite champion Teotihuacan Priests! Thats right folks, a champion.
Coaching under the spotlight of Mexico City, Oviedo is no stranger to pressure. In fact, despite rumors he would be fired following an unacceptable 4-6-2 regular season record, during which he repeatedly clashed with 1st round pick and national team captain Fernando Ugarte, Oviedo coached his club through a brilliant playoff run, capping it off with a cindarella upset over the juggernaut Mayan Astronomers (led by the legendary cervantes brothers) in the championship round.
Thats right, championship. How many championships has Capuano won? Nada!
And while Senor Oviedo may not speak the langauge, that hasnt prevented other coaches from getting their fair crack at the show.
If I’m Wang, I’m putting “The Big Cuban” on the next airbus to mexico city in a recruitment effort.
When I go out on the ice I am at peace. This is my best element. No one can talk to me. No one can bother me. I just go play. That is why I love it so much - Chris Osgood
by backstop87 on Feb 22, 2012 7:22 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Delightfully demented
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Alright
Who’s the dirty bastard that voted for Scott Arniel?
Scott Howson
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Feb 23, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hare to be blunt
but if you were expecting anything better this you’re probably an idiot. Everyone had this team in contention for the eighth spot. Thus far they’ve accomplished that.
Sometimes I think the fans need to pull their heads out of their asses and decide what they want. If your going to complain about Milbury gutting the system don’t complain about what you see now. If you’re going to complain about all the fucked up drafts and all that was given up to aquire Yashin and Peca, don’t complain about what you see now.
You can’t have it both ways.
Nobody said building with youth was easy. It’s painstaking and long but the payoff is worth it.
by Chickendirt on Feb 23, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
But, we're not in contention for 8th, and we never have been.
We had no shot as of week 1, really. Is it Cappy’s fault? Maybe some of it, but I think that some of it depends on how much influence Garth has allowed him to have on personnel moves. I suspect Cap had very little impact on those moves, but who knows.
I think the poll should be about our next GM. Just imagine what we could have done without our FA blue hairs? Insert any of Ullstrom, Haley, Wishart, etc….and boom, we’ve got ourselves in contention- probably. Garth has his positives as well, but this year’s FA moves are hard to over look and don’t give me alot of optimism for the future when we will be in the playoffs and he will need to make veteran moves to help us truly contend.
6 pts out of eighth in Feb
is called being in contention for the eighth seed. The team is 7 pts out now and I’d still call that being in contention for eighth.
Their ability to seel the deal is entirely another story.
The team is in contention for a playoff spot.
by Chickendirt on Feb 23, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They're one point above Carolina for last in the league
In that case, then even the Hurricanes are in contention for a playoff spot.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
That's not true
Columbus is last in the league with 43 points. Do you feel this team is as bad as they are? I don’t.
For all their short comings they are showing standard trademarks of a young team. Generally struggeling to win those big games. They are basicly at where a young rebuilding team should be at this juncture.
And they are far from the worst team in this league. Their record is indicative of that . They are two games under .500 in what is arguably the best division in hockey. The second to last place team in this division has enough points to lead the Southeast and Pacific division by a pretty decent margin. Not to mention sit second in the Northeast and Northwest.
Where exactly do you expect this team to stack up against the rest of the league right now?
No, I don't think they're the worse team in the league...
..but they are last in the East, and 2nd last overall- that’s all very surprising and disappointing to me at this point. Yes, we’re in the toughest division in hockey, but that ain’t changing any time soon. In fact, i’d argue it’s going be better next year with the Ranger’s youth movement, Crosby probably back, Pronger maybe, etc.. we’ll see.
I still have alot of hope for this team, and it’s youth…just don’t phuck it up anymore Garth, you pin head…haha.
Sorry, I meant conference.
My bads.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Feb 24, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
6 points and atleast 3 teams....
Their best odds of making the playoffs in Feb, despite their string of decent play was really really terrible. Sure, 6 points doesn’t seem like a ton of ground, but when you have to hurdle several other teams, and with the new points system….it was a very very long shot at best. We were actually out of contention in November – more odds support that statement as well. It’s not even close to that now. I thought we’d be more like Winnipeg or Toronto….actually in contention but we never have been. Disappointing.
Cappy is not meant to be a HC
I like Cappy, I like how he relates to the players and I like some of his in game strategies.
I just do not think he is a motivator. I think he would make an excellent assistant coach.
I do not think he makes players strive for the next level. He is an ok head coach, he will not lead this team to the Cup someday.
This team needs a coach who will push them to new heights. Cappy should stay as an assistant.
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