Senators Many, Islanders Nil - the Trainwreck Recap
by mikb on Feb 20, 2012 7:07 PM EST
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PrintIn the last two weekends, the Islanders have hosted a matinee against a team they needed two points against, and started it off with some pregame fun. Last weekend, it was Marvel superheroes; this afternoon it was a Mount Rushmore's worth of Presidents.
Unfortunately, neither superheroes nor great statesmen have been of any help once the puck dropped. The Florida Panthers shook off a quick goal to bury the Isles 4-1, and today... well... ugh.
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Game Highlights
The Isles were never in this one. Twenty seconds in the Senators had a golden rebound chance off the post. The very next rush, while the MSG feed was still showing the Islanders scratches, Eric Karlsson picked off a telegraphed breakout pass from Matt Martin, took the puck below the goal line, and then flung it creaseward, where it squibbed off Kevin Poulin and into the net. And not thirty seconds after that, on a delayed penalty, Jason Spezza ended Poulin's night with a one-timer. (Capuano could be seen snapping "GO" to Al Montoya on the bench.)
In just 1:35, that was the end of the hopefulness of the pregame chat about the Isles' 12-8-4 run from December 29 to today. Butch Goring said that he though the Isles would have to go 16-8 the rest of the way; now it's 16-7.
Along the way, there was a lot of melting down among the Islanders. Matt Martin had a fight, and got his five minutes' worth with some good shots on Zack Smith. But PA Parenteau was the worst offender. His slash killed the end of an Isles power play, and Karlsson potted his second just three seconds after he got out of the box. Shortly after, PAP said something untoward and earned two-and-ten for misconduct. Finally, in the third, with the game well beyond retrieval, Brian Lee scored for Ottawa, and Parenteau got the heave-ho for some strident complaining after an unpenalized exchange in front of the Ottawa net had left his stick broken. End result - the ninth whitewash the Isles have suffered this season.
The postgame can be summed up very easily.
Just picture those kids after every goal, and you've got the idea. But Capuano (who is NOT the same guy as in the above) was just as grumpy afterward. Someone (it sounded like Stan Fischler) asked what Cappy said after the first period and he grimly replied, "I don't think you want to hear all of what I told them."
There's no rest for the weary. The battered Isles have alternated wins and losses for the last ten games, and need to rebound from the latest downer. The Buffalo Sabres await them tomorrow night.
Update: Just an aside here, but the Islanders are now 1-5-2 with their Alternate Universe third jerseys. With four scheduled games left with them, it may be time to scrap the black completely.
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Boy,
am I glad I had to work today! I missed the whole shit-fest.
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by skeeterman on Feb 20, 2012 7:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I watched it just after an 11 hour midnight shift
somehow I actually watched the entire 3 periods of torture before I went to bed.
Yes I cried myself to sleep after being terrified by that awful display of a team in a must win game.
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Feb 21, 2012 5:03 AM EST up reply actions
you're definitely on to something
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
looks a bit like
the 1946/1947 Rangers
who finished 5th – ahead of only the Blackhawks
think they ditched it by the ‘47-’48 season
Or like the current Dallas unis.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
It was really, really ugly
They would have been better off letting the giant-headed presidents play this game.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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This gif pretty much sums up this game.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Feb 20, 2012 7:29 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Is that a bedazzled storm trooper/conan the barbarian/kool-aid guy mutant?
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Haha I remember Tugboat.
Life mustve gotten really bad after that for him to see that outfit and think ‘sure I’m ok with this. Lets run with it"
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you
I needed to laugh today.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Feb 20, 2012 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Still waiting for the day that accountability comes into play....
A lot is talked of it, but aside from a 3 game Kyle okposo benching I haven’t seen any of it all season. How about some in game accountability. Change lines, have players miss shifts. Capuano noted that we had no physical presence all night and no fight in our game. How about enforcing this notion. Maybe guys have to start missing shifts and getting demoted in games. This is why momentum never shifts when we are being outplayed. We make it so easy on the other teams to shut us down. Players continue to play the same way knowing that they won’t miss a shift in the game. PA had reason to be upset today, but he needs to keep his emotions in check an be smarter. He is an important piece to the offense and you can’t be taking 10 minute misconducts in the 2nd period. Today was embarrassing on many levels. Neither goalie could stop a beach ball today, not 1 guy played a good or smart game and Brian rolston is the worst player I’ve seen in an islander jersey in a long time, and I’ve seen some bad ones. He’s has a good career. Time to hang em up, I cringe when I watch him play, it’s sad.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 20, 2012 7:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How about some in game accountability. Change lines, have players miss shifts.
How, exactly? Be more specific. Who do you think deserves this increased ice time?
The way I see it, a lot of people clammor for “changing up lines”- but if nearly all of the bottom line guys were moved up to the top line, those same people would be pissed off!
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see some accountability on Cap.
This guy consistently blames the players for not playing hard or being passengers, etc., but I truly doubt his ability to coach and react well to what happens in-game. Maybe Cap was who stoked that country club atmosphere.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
The only way I can see anyone believing that
is if they think there are all these players who deserve more ice time.
So I ask again- who are all these players who deserve more ice time???
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ice Time
players deserving max ice time + line/combo creativity would result in something like
time to try Moulson-Tavares-Nino – what is there to lose?
Okposo had the flu today, so revert to FNGO/line 2
cut freaking BRIAN ROLSTON – Ullstrom, Bailey, Martin had some get up & go earlier this year – bring em back
Pandoflo-Reasoner-Wallace = line 4
where’s Parenteau? trade him if he’s flexing his no sign muscles
and Streit-Amac on D made ZERO sense for a team weak on D to begin with
Streit-Jurcina has been Jurcina’s best combo – is this really so hard?
Ness-MacDonald works fine for a 2nd combo
Eaton wants a trade? Adios Amigo
Donovan-Wishart does nicely for a 5-6 – lets see what Ty has so we can decide whether to sign him or not
Staios can ride the pine as D man 7
is this really so hard?
Be fair- most of those things you mentioned are not coach decisions or are wild speculations.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
what's a wild speculation in what I posted?
Nino on top line not worth trying?
FNGO?
reuniting Ullstrom-Martin-Bailey?
trading PAP if he doesn’t seem likely to sign?
what’s wrong with what I said?
no, instead we get Cappy sitting on his ass, changing nothing – that’s what’s insane
I said they were EITHER not coach decisions OR wild speculations.
Youre complaining about the coach not doing things that GMs (not coaches) do.
All that Eaton wants a trade and PAP flexing his muscles stuff are the wild speculations.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Eaton-PAP
Eaton wanting a trade was mentioned by the Ottawa announcers including Potvin – not that he’s gospel
PAP not wanting to chat about a deal is concerning, no?
by Cary K on Feb 20, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Then its speculation by them instead of you.
But its still speculation. And if its based on anything, then what? The Canadian media was also confident that Tavares would never sign with the Islanders, either.
Besides- who really gives a shit about what Eaton would like even if it WAS true? The Isles would get pretty much nothing for him. Its practically a non-issue. Id like to get paid to stay home from work 3 days a week, too. Aint happening.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The thing that really got me with the PAP/his-agent quotes,
was them saying in some words “Garth knows what we want” and that talks had stopped for now. That is pretty much a huge signal to me, “pay me what I want or near what I’m asking for or I’m testing the free agent waters and probably leaving in the offseason”. Thus making me think, resign and overpay PAP short term if need be or trade him for some high return of draft pick(s)/prospect(s). I’d take anything for eaton though.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
It's common sense, especially given our team circumstances and how well PAP is playing right now.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
PAP goes out and gets like 25 penalty minutes today
another red flag
Oh come on, Cary. He got the PIMs because the ref overreacted.
But you think it has this ubber-duper meaning????
Dont you see that youre reading tea leaves at this point?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
what is obvious
is that freaking genius Capistrano should have long ago tried
Martin-Bailey-Parenteau
not once – zero shifts
Honestly?
At this point you’re really just pulling names out of your ass. Do you want PAP traded, or with Bailey and Martin?
Besides, Martin and Bailey have played together. Parenteau assisted on Martin’s ENG in the 3-1 win in Winnipeg. So put them together… and then Nino, who has been struggling with nine minutes a game against poor competition, goes onto the first line for twice that time against opponents’ top checkers? Or on the second with Grabner and Frans, and Okposo to the top line? Sure, it’d be great to see what Nino could do with better linemates, but maybe he should earn the time by playing well where he is first. There’s more to this than saying, “Oh, stick him with Tavares to get him going.” There’s only 20 minutes of Tavares to go around in any single game, he can’t have six wings every game, or his game will suffer.
This team is somewhat limited. They are young, improving, but still limited. You can’t just fire or bench everyone at every moment something goes wrong.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 20, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Martin-Bailey-PAP
hasn’t been tried nearly enough – I’d still prefer Ullstrom-Bailey-Martin now
my point is that we don’t do enough with what we have – PAP is a new concern with his agent being weird lately
*applause*
Totally agree, mikb- on all points.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
yes
lets revel in a team who plays without fire in the biggest game of the year – keep the same lines together of course
& don’t forget to play Nino sparingly as opposed to Mr. “I Only Shoot Blindfolded” Your Example Setting Assistant Captain 3.9% shooting percentage Rolston
nothing wrong here – move along
Who's reveling?
They played like crap, plain and simple. If you’ve got an entire team playing terrible, how likely is it that putting them in different combinations is going to suddenly make them all play great hockey? Again, you can’t just bench the world. Maybe Tavares should have just played the whole third period with Martin, Nino, Streit, and MacDonald?
You seem to think it’s a simple black/white, yes/no answer – that if we disagree with your “Fire Everyone and Trade Fifteen Guys” strategy, that we think that the team’s perfect as-is. It’s ridiculous. Nobody’s happy here, but the plain fact is, you can’t make bricks without clay. The team is not going to go 21-2 to finish the year just by giving Nino 6 extra minutes a game and scratching Rolston. You want to throw a tantrum after a loss because it makes you feel better, be my guest. NHL coaches can’t do that.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 21, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The point really is--
Both Snow and Capuano are doing an awful job w/ the limited talent they have. You can get caught up in details such as what is speculation and what isn’t, but to me the basic point is that Rolston is WASHED UP. Snow is ridiculous for not bringing someone like the 22 y.o. Ullstrom up, (he’s been playing for AT LEAST 3 weeks down at BP so his concussion problem is long since over) and Capuano is ridiculous for playing Rolston on anything but the 4th line— and then giving him time on the 2nd power play unit, to boot! Wishart is another example— maybe he is a 1st round bust, but if they thought enough of him to bring him up, they should get the (23 y.o.) guy out there instead of someone older and smaller whose best days are clearly behind him.
by Potvin's Cups on Feb 20, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Six of one, half dozen of the other
If you’re going to get anything at all out of Rolston, it’s in an offensive role. He is a poor defensive forward. So the second PP unit is probably the best possible way to get what little he has to offer. Honestly, at this point I think they’re desperate for him to show a spark before Feb 27th and maybe some desperate team will toss a low draft pick at the Isles to get him. If not, well, it’d be nice to see him up on press row on Feb. 28th.
Ullstrom only came up in the first place because other players were hurt. To me, it’s not too terribly surprising that he’s back in BPT and playing very well. Hell, I’d love to see him back with Martin and Bailey, because it was a good-looking line. It’s more likely we see Nino with those guys if Rolston is finally put to pasture. Sooner the better, frankly. I really thought he’d at least get to ten or twelve goals, based on last season’s end run. Apparently it was an illusion, and the Devils’ rising tide lifted even Rolston’s leaky dinghy.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 21, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right, so as I said, Snow and Capuano
are making poor choices, trying to get something out of a washed up player who has nothing left to offer while the 22 yo Ullstrom— w/ jump in his stride— plays in the minors. Also, they can’t trade Rolston for a draft pick or a nobody because they need him to get to the salary floor. Also, if it’s more likely that we see Nino w/ Martin & Bailey than Ullstrom, then that’d probably be ANOTHER bad decision because it’d mean playing Wallace ahead of Ullstrom!
by Potvin's Cups on Feb 21, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Capuano should be fired*
If we had any other coach, we could have lost only 4-0.
*sarcasm
by JPinNYC on Feb 21, 2012 6:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
5th rounder maybe.
If #4/#5 d-men have been going for 2nd rounders+, I think some team would give up a 5th for him. Maybe a 4th.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Anybody would.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'd think unlikely as well.
On the other hand, Garth shouldnt complain if anyone offers anything for him.
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I would think that Snow would dance a frickin jig if someone offered anyhting for him.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
The couple shifts Nino had on the Bailey and Nielsen line I saw he created some nice scoring chances.
I still am praying for him to be experimented with in the top 9, there is no reason at all not to try him out on the Bailey line in Rolston’s spot for a few games.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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D
I don’t agree with your forward lines, but you certainly makes a lot of sense when it comes to the D pairs.
Today they seemed to try to again heavily shelter Ness-Staios in the sense that they were almost never out against Spezza and very rarely against Alfredsson, but that was just not nearly enough, certainly not if you send them out with Reasoner’s line all the time… Ness-Staios were owned by anyone in the first half of the game. It anyway looks like most of the good things in Ness’ game have disappeared since the demotion started after the first period against the Hurriances on Saturday night. Pretty sure, instead of giving him an adequate partner, he’ll be back in Bridgeport by the end of the week, and that’s really sad. However, Eaton to be traded would be the highlight of the season.
by BenHasna on Feb 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Bingo
There couldn’t be a worse guy to pair Ness up with. What a waste.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 20, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
We always have Mottau waiting in the wings!
Every time Mike Mottau plays defense, a snow angel gets its wings.
What? Your response makes no sense when I re-read my response.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Feb 21, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
I’d like to see some accountability on Cap.
If anything, there is TOO much of this blamed on the coach…
Unless there are all these guys playing up with the Isles right now who people think deserve more ice time.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
As I explained above, you are complaining about the coach not doing things that coaches dont do.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
With guys who are assigned to different teams? Nope!
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
You and I have no idea what conversations they have had.
And because of that, I am not going to speculate wildly and make proclamations about what is and is not happening.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Cappy is also
the brain surgeon that thinks Martin-Bailey-Rolston is worth trotting out
Martin-Bailey show signs of life, only to have the life sucked out of them by Cappy sticking them with Rolston – Rolston can play on the 4th line just fine
should be Martin-Bailey-PAP or Martin-Bailey-Nino – is this really so hard – Cappy not to blame for that? I’d even try Martin-Bailey-Pandolfo – would likely be a good defensive combo
Martin & Rolston are both LWs – its just simple stupidity at this point to play them on the same line
Roloson is currently on the team.
There is NOWHERE that Cappy can play him where you would be happy. If he is not on the 4th line then he is on the 3rd. Or the 2nd. Or the 1st. If you dont want him there at all, that isnt the coach’s decision. Like I keep saying.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Roloson?
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lol
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
And who are you double shifting?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
I cant believe how much Wallace is being overrated here.
Look- Id rather see him, too- but do you actually think he would make a difference on this team?
All it would do is shift who you guys are complaining about.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
She's saying he's not worse or much worse than Wallace.
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not playing Rolston
would be a clear case of addition by subtraction
threfore Mr Computer
Wallace >>> Rolston
Really not sure how you get that.
We’re talking about the guy who’s a career AHLer who has a career of 55 games played with 3 assists.
At least Rolston in theory can provide points.
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Well it's a very very unlikely theory at this point.
But Wallace doesnt even provide a theory.
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by garik16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im saying that youre arguing about a cupful of sand when theres a whole beach.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
no one's arguing this
but this year in the NHL a lot of teams are separated by not much
the little things matter
Rolston playing is actually not a little thing – it sets a tone
Cappy
Coaches rarely get fired for game strategy. Most of the time, you find that coaches get fired because the team is performing below expectations. The saying goes, “you can’t fire the whole team…” If the losing continues and if there are better options (a big if), Cappy could be on the hot seat.
My opinion, Snow has to gauge whether Cappy has lost the locker room. He gets that by having candid year end discussions with the core of the team (JT, KO, Matty, Hamonic, Streit, etc.)
My problem with Capuano in this game is that.............
he clearly stated after the game what he was upset about and apparently he was upset the whole game about it. So why does he not change anything? Where was the time out to blast the team and wake them up? Where was moving Matt Martin up and giving him more minutes if he was apparently the only player doing what Capuano wanted. Why is Parenteau not benched for taking a foolish penalty that cost his whole team to be undermanned and without one of their top 3 scorers for 12 minutes. Why is the Tavares line out with 1:30 left in a 6-0 game? I blamed Capuano all season (rightfully so IMO) for this team coming out flat and playing uninspired far too often. I will not fault him for that tonight because every player knew the magnitude of this game and a coach shouldnt have to motivate you to play a game with this kind of importance. However, i fault him this game for simply not being a coach. Capuano seems like he just tells the players, ‘this is how we need to play", but doesnt show them or enforce in them a demand for “that type of play”. Well, no Shit thats how a team “needs” to play. Its the coach’s job to get them to play that way.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 20, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Why is Parenteau not benched for taking a foolish penalty that cost his whole team to be undermanned and without one of their top 3 scorers for 12 minutes.
Most likely because the penalty was horseshit, and Capuano knows perfectly well that Parenteau is one of the Isles best bets for getting something going.
Why is the Tavares line out with 1:30 left in a 6-0 game?
Why shouldnt they be out IYO?
I blamed Capuano all season (rightfully so IMO) for this team coming out flat and playing uninspired far too often.
So you dont blame the players for what they themselves do (or dont do) you blame- the Coach?
i fault him this game for simply not being a coach. Capuano seems like he just tells the players, ‘this is how we need to play", but doesnt show them or enforce in them a demand for "that type of play". Well, no Shit thats how a team "needs" to play. Its the coach’s job to get them to play that way.
How can you make presumptions about what he is and isnt showing them, and then not even acknowledge that they are presumptions? You and I are not in with the team, we arent there when they are going over plays, etc.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
jeez here we go......let me get my fingers warmed up....
1. The penalty on Spezza was horseshit? I’ll be the 1st one to blame a ref on a bad call but that was a penalty. He made a dumb play at the blueline, lost his man and had to play catch up on a 2 on 1 and took a penalty. It was still a game at that point and Parenteau took himself off the ice for over 10 minutes for running his mouth. Gotta be better than that.
2. Well, according to Cappy he likes to protect his players, especially his top guys (we all remember the timeout in Detroit). So why risk injury with your only hope out there in the final minutes of a blowout?
3. if you blame the players for everything then what does a coach do IYO? Blame rests on the players shoulders too, but its the coach’s job to enforce it and have his team ready to play.
4. This is an absolute presumption, but if you can point to anything that gives any indication of otherwise id be shocked. This team has had no structure all season long. If you can tell me the type of system we’re playing id appreciate that also. Just to add to this, If Capuano is in fact “showing” them how it should be done, its not working. So theres still a problem there.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 20, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
1. The penalty on Spezza was horseshit? I’ll be the 1st one to blame a ref on a bad call but that was a penalty. He made a dumb play at the blueline, lost his man and had to play catch up on a 2 on 1 and took a penalty. It was still a game at that point and Parenteau took himself off the ice for over 10 minutes for running his mouth. Gotta be better than that.
No- but giving a guy a 10-min for talking to the refs is. The Isles have been fucked over a LOT this season- as Im sure you know- and other teams get away with knocking PAP around a lot. I dont blame him for finally saying something. Fransie did the same thing last year and I didnt blame him, either.
2. Well, according to Cappy he likes to protect his players, especially his top guys (we all remember the timeout in Detroit). So why risk injury with your only hope out there in the final minutes of a blowout?
The time out in the Detroit game was because Detroit played for the icing and prevented the Isles from changing lines. As far as this game goes, I do not see where there was a “risk of injury” in simply playing.
3. if you blame the players for everything then what does a coach do IYO? Blame rests on the players shoulders too, but its the coach’s job to enforce it and have his team ready to play.
90% of what coaches do as part of their job, you and I do not see. While you might feel comfy imagining that you know what is going on all that time, I do not. But youre certainly not alone- many fans like to believe they know everything that is going on.
4. This is an absolute presumption, but if you can point to anything that gives any indication of otherwise id be shocked. This team has had no structure all season long. If you can tell me the type of system we’re playing id appreciate that also. Just to add to this, If Capuano is in fact "showing" them how it should be done, its not working. So theres still a problem there.
The way I see it, at this stage of the rebuild its about players improving personally and learning how to work together. If you want to believe that there is no personal improvement, I certainly cant stop you.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
last response...cuz i gotta sleep
1. Now you just put your foot in your mouth b/c you yourself are making presumptions. You dont knwo what he said to the refs. Im sure he wasnt just “talking”. I can tell you that when he got kicked out at teh end of the game he told the ref to “go fuck himself”. You could easily read his lips so im sure the 1st conversation that day wasnt too peachy either.
2. Its not brain surgery. Tavares wasnt on the ice standing in front of a firing squad. Its just the fact that it is completely unnecessary to have him on the ice at that point in the game. This has been going on forever. A game like that, you have the guys who barely got ice time play out the game. If something bizarre happened and Tavares took a puck in the face or something stupid everyone woudl be asking why the hell he was out there. Just because it didnt happen doesnt mean that it was the right call to put him out there.
3. We dont see the coach’s cooking in the kitchen, but we see the plate of food when they bring it out. Quality of play on the ice, team structure, team effort, team discipline and team accountability is all witnessed every game and is a product of the coach. If someone brings you out a horrible plate of food im sure you dont say, well i dont knwo what happened back there, but its probably not the cooks fault. There must have been something wrong with the food and the oven prior. Im not going to blame this on the cook.
4. Id argue to say this stage of the rebuild should be about “team” improvement. I dont think Capuano is trying to improve everyone on an individual basis. He controls the “team”. We have other guys to focus on individual player improvement.
For arguments sake, if you believe its about personal improvement. Who has he helped “personally” improve? I would harldly point to him for Tavares’ improvement, or Martin’s for that matter. No one else on the team has improved and you can argue more of the fact that players have regressed. So if you are judging by that he gets an F for that as well.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 20, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
1. Now you just put your foot in your mouth b/c you yourself are making presumptions. You dont knwo what he said to the refs. Im sure he wasnt just "talking". I can tell you that when he got kicked out at teh end of the game he told the ref to "go fuck himself". You could easily read his lips so im sure the 1st conversation that day wasnt too peachy either.
I have no idea why youre telling me that I was making presumptions- I didnt claim to know what anyone said. I was at work today and watched this game on FF DVR And stopped it whenever anything happened, so I didnt exactly study every second of things. However I will point out to you that- whatever was said, saying something is still “talking”.
2. Its not brain surgery. Tavares wasnt on the ice standing in front of a firing squad. Its just the fact that it is completely unnecessary to have him on the ice at that point in the game. This has been going on forever. A game like that, you have the guys who barely got ice time play out the game. If something bizarre happened and Tavares took a puck in the face or something stupid everyone woudl be asking why the hell he was out there. Just because it didnt happen doesnt mean that it was the right call to put him out there.
As long as they werent ridiculously long shifts, I just dont see any problem with him playing in a game, sorry. As far as safety goes- if given a choice, I would actually much rather see him out on the ice when the Isles are DOWN 6 goals with a min or two to go than see him out there when the Isles are UP 6 goals with a min or two to go… because those are the kinds of situations when the opponent could be bitter and angry, and might do something vindictive.
3. We dont see the coach’s cooking in the kitchen, but we see the plate of food when they bring it out. Quality of play on the ice, team structure, team effort, team discipline and team accountability is all witnessed every game and is a product of the coach. If someone brings you out a horrible plate of food im sure you dont say, well i dont knwo what happened back there, but its probably not the cooks fault. There must have been something wrong with the food and the oven prior. Im not going to blame this on the cook.
I just dont agree. I think players are responsible for their own play.
To go with your analogy: The coach is not the cook IMO, the coach is like the culinary school teacher- it is the player who is the chef, and the food is their on-ice product.
4. Id argue to say this stage of the rebuild should be about "team" improvement. I dont think Capuano is trying to improve everyone on an individual basis. He controls the "team". We have other guys to focus on individual player improvement.
For arguments sake, if you believe its about personal improvement. Who has he helped "personally" improve? I would harldly point to him for Tavares’ improvement, or Martin’s for that matter. No one else on the team has improved and you can argue more of the fact that players have regressed. So if you are judging by that he gets an F for that as well.
I do not agree with you. I see improvements all over the place in individual players. ITs mostly them and their own hard wortk, but the head coach and the coaching staff definitely guide them along to know what they themselves have to improve.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
we'll agree to disagree.....
bc im clearly wasting my time here
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 21, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
If you think having a respectful back and forth is "wasting your time" then I cannot figure out why you would choose to post here in the first place.
I dont feel like its a waste of my time at all, I am interested in other peoples perspectives. But asking you for yours seems to really bother you.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
its just the way you seem to come across.....
and you will nitpick a particular statement and completely take it out of context and off topic.
For instance, when i posted that I DIDNT blame Capuano this game for the players coming out flat, you pulled out the part where i said i did blame him the rest of the season and asked me why i dont hold players accountable at all. But if you read the next sentence i said a player should not have to be motivated to play a game like the Ottawa one. So that kind of answered your own question, so i get the impression from you that you feel you have to prove everyone wrong. It may not be the case, its just the way it comes across to me.
Also, this line…."However I will point out to you that- whatever was said, saying something is still "talking". This just seemed like an absolutely childish statement and made me lose interest in the argument.
I dont mind hearing peoples opinions, but we could have went on forever. Its clear that we do not agree on these particular topics so theres no use for each of us to write a book about it. We obviously dont agree. Not trying to disrespect your opinion, its just that we dont see eye to eye.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 21, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Childish?
I have no idea where you are coming from on this. He got a 10-min for talking. I think thats dumb. If you dont, its fine- I do. I think 10-mins should be reserved for dangerous/irrespoonsible behavior on the ice.
We are just having a conversation here- there is no reason for you to be so upset about it no matter what you think of me.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
If you keep jawing the refs, the ten minutes is perfectly justified
They give you two. If that doesn’t work, they have to do something more. They can’t keep ringing you up for minors all game long. And the players are well aware of this.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I know it happens-
but Ive seen guys do what PAP was doing and not get anything- many times. Fransie got one for saying “Come on, give us a chance” last year. Its stupid in its inconsistency.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
That I will agree with
Refs have short fuses and bad days just like players. That’s why they are drilled to be professional until it’s (hopefully) second nature. Baseball, in fact, has an entire rule dedicated solely to the conduct of umpires during the game, and I’ve got it printed out to keep with my hockey rulebook, as a reminder for when I ref games.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 21, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is why i feel im wasting my time....
I wasnt calling YOU childish. I was calling your response childish. We argued about PA’s penalty. You said it was horseshit b/c he was just “talking”. I made the statement of what he said at the end of the game was pretty harsh so im sure he didnt get a 10 min misconduct for having a pleasant “talk” the 1st time. For you to respond with, this….whatever was said, saying something is still “talking”. is very childish to me. Your opinion was not justified. If you feel that a penalty of that nature is horseshit and you havent seen this happen numerous times in the NHL and players shouldnt be penalized heavy for cursing out the refs then i guess i must have misinterpreted what you were saying. I just assumed anybody who watches hockey has seen this called time and time again. Theres a line that a ref will draw on how much abuse he will take. Obviously PA crossed that line, twice.
I dont know you as a person and have no opinion of you as a person. I said that i was not trying to disrespect your opinion, but you seem to only see what you want to see. And believe me, this conversation has not made me upset. Im just trying to explain, but it’s clear that is impossible with you. Hence, the reason why i feel im wasting my time.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 21, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I wasnt calling YOU childish. I was calling your response childish.
Yeah, I see that. What made you imagine that I didnt?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Martin and Tavares
Play them together. Maybe on EVERY line.
metalchick, you always pull out a blurb and try to spin it in some different direction than its intended.....
I dont understand what specifics you are requesting. Not once did i say that the bottom six deserve to play top 6 minutes. But if you demand consistency and passion from your players game in and game out it becomes habit. Outside of Martin and Hamonic there isnt one player who hits people. Its pretty easy to make plays when you know your not going to get hit. Thats unacceptable and Capuano mentioned it after the game. So why did he do nothing to change this? The same lines were rolled all game. What message is being sent? PA takes a stupid 10 minute misconduct and doesnt miss a beat once his penalty is over. If Martin was the only guy hitting tonight and Capuano wanted to see more of that why is Matt Martin not getting the bulk of the ice time in the game? It was already over it wouldnt have hurt us in the standings to play Martin. It sends a message to the team that says, hey i better pick up my play or this guys going to take my ice time. If guys arent going to play the way the coach wants and needs them to play then they should be replaced by guys who will.
And as far as “changing up lines”. The Isles have rolled the same lines all F*in season with the exception of bouncing Okposo from 1st to 2nd. We havent gotten secondary scoring ALL SEASON LONG! Why continue to roll the same exact lines every single night when something clearly isnt clicking? Its not like the Isles change lines every game. They dont change lines at all, this is why you hear everyone calling for them to change up the lines. Hope this answers your question in enough depth.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Quoting someone and asking about something someone said is not spinning anything.
saying “change lines, have players miss shifts” is so vague, what do you mean by that? Who do you want to change? who should be double shifted if someone misses shifts? Thats the only way to discuss the merit of your suggestions. If its just vage “do something” type suggestions, they dont really mean anyhting.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
i figured one can piece together what missing shifts and changing lines meant when the post was centered around accountability......
thought it was also pretty clear in the post.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
People all have their own ideas of what would improve things.
Not sure why anyone would be offended or upset or whatever about someone wanting to know what they mean by “changing”.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody appreciates this kind of garbage, buddy.
There is nothing “police-like” about asking a polite question on a goddamn public forum.
And if you dont want me to be the one to tell you to cut it out, keep it up and someone else will.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
At this point, EVERYBODY can cut it out
We try to allow extra leeway to folks in game threads, and after really bad losses, because there are frustrations and high emotion to try to process. It invariably turns into posters sniping at each other, rather than just debating. This is the line we really wish y’all wouldn’t cross.
Most of us regulars realize whose particular dead hobby horses will require a new beating under these circumstances. As amazing at it sounds, it really isn’t about tweaking you, personally. And sure, it can be tiresome to read Fill In The Rant from Usual Suspect X… and I’m willing to bet that Usual Suspect X is less-than-thrilled to be writing about it yet again. HE can see it so clearly, WHY CAN’T GARTH AND CAPOPY ! ! eleven ! ! !
So that’s what we’re seeing. The moment it devolves into “destroy the other poster who said this thing again” it has stopped being helpful in any way.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 21, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Can I rec something more than once?
Hopefully these jokers (meaning the Isles, not the posters) destroy Buffalo tonight so that the game thread and recap can be all sunshine and rainbows
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by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 21, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget
Puppy dogs and unicorns…
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by partagaspete on Feb 21, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
:) excellent.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Whats really funny
Is how many people are talking about the Sens getting close to 1st place in their division. Its like people are refusing to acknowledge all their games in hand over the rest of the teams.
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Looking at the standings...
…it’s possible points-wise that the top 4 teams in the East this season all end up being Atlantic teams. Yet, one can still argue Central is tougher. Amazing how much those two divisions are better than the other four.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 20, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I bailed at 3-0
They didn’t show up today, so neither did I. I watched a few episodes of Bizarre Foods instead.
You can’t talk playoffs and then play a game like that. The word “loss” doesn’t even cover it. It’s the kind of game that maked every potshot against them seem justified.
I’m not mad. More disappointed and embarassed and drained.
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by PGI on Feb 20, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Some ideas and a plan for the next few months:
I think "this season", management needs to realize the playoffs are a lost cause sooner then later. Still no idea why we play some vets over youngsters: Rolston/Pandolfo I’m looking at you. We really should experiment with the top players in the ahl we have and see how "close" or nhl ready we are. "Sticking to the plan" is bogus talk. How can we stick to the plan if we don’t know who’s ready for the NHL and who’s not? Try out Cizikas, Ullstrom, Rakhshani(if we want to give him another shot, debatable if he’s earned, but over Rolston it’s worth another shot), Donovan, and if mr.glass DeHaan gets healthy him too for at minimum 5gms to see what they can bring. Any of them should be better 2-way players then Pandolfo, and any of them should be better 3rd line forwards then Rolston, and Donovan should be a better 2-way d-man than Staios and Eaton. So not only is this experimenting for the future, it might actually makes us better as a whole team(and should).
And here’s something very important, WE ARE SELLERS SELLERS SELLERS. Garth, don’t screw around. If we lose PAP to free agency for free, you screwed up. If you lose Nabby to free agency, you screwed up. If there are any offers on the table for eaton or staios or jurcina and they are 5th round picks or better, which given the market could actually be realistic even as hilarious as it might sound, you screwed up. You can’t let expiring assets that can bring solid returns leave for nothing on a bottom of the conference team that is obviously still rebuilding. End of story. If you can resign them, great, if you can’t move them NOW. Don’t screw around and play chicken or roll the dice, you’ve already rolled craps a few times there this year "playing the odds/playing as you go".
On the topic of Nabokov, if you wanna resign him, fine, but no longer than a 1 or 2yr deal. He’s been an average to above average goalie his whole career and half of the last few year he’s been above average. Overpay him if you must, I’d rather him be a cap mule then another Rolston type or 2 pandolfo’s/Staios’s. No longer than a 2yr deal because we’ve seen how fast older goalies can diminish, look at Roloson for example. Roloson went from average to above average goalie last year with an incredible playoff performance to dreadful backup this year. Yes, goalies have played into their late 30’s well, but that’s against the odds and rational thought. Give Nabby $5mil/yr for 2 yrs for all I care, he’s earned it this year "so far". And in all honestly, Monotoya has looked shaky since he’s been back, small sample, but for a goalie that’s been known to be an ahl headcase most of his professional career, these signs aren’t good. Either way, finding "averagish" goaltending shouldn’t be difficult one way or another.
Garth should heavily plan for next year and not mess around. Let’s be honest, we are likely not signing any big name or high $ free agents. Based on that, we will need cap mules. Can we use PAP as a stop gap for the next couple years? Yep. Could we use Nabokov as a starter next year? Yep. Thus leading to: overpay them both shortterm to fix our salary floor problems and allow us to play ahl/1st round prospects in the NHL when they are ready, not throw ancient veterans in their way or not overpay ancient vets to reach the floor or not force prospects that aren’t nhl ready into the nhl(nino). What will put us over the floor comfortably and make sense for all parties? 1yr or 2yrs @4mil/yr for Nabby(if we don’t trade him) and 3yrs @ $5mil/yr for PAP. Salary floor issues solved and we have stopgaps and productive players in place for next year (although, Nabby could fall off, but should be at least average next year for us). And this isn’t a red light for snow either, he just has more flexibility in trades instead of looking at "worst contracts in the NHL right now" list to look for his next cap mule. He should still and has to upgrade at least 1 starting spot on D from outside the organization and should look for at least 1 bottom 6 forward to add, preferably 1 with some offensive acumen/goalscoring as we need depth scoring obviously.
And that I think is a good plan to move forward with.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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TL/DR
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Here's the Cliff Notes to Ozzy's Post....
Team Sucks
No seriously, agree with his points.
Thanks for reading. I just type away sometimes. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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by OzzyFan on Feb 20, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks. Yeah, I still don't understand some of these decisions he makes.
If you just stepback and look at things for a minute, you can these highly logical things that make sense all around to do for next year. If I can see it, why can’t Snow? It doesn’t take a genius to figure these things out.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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And here’s something very important, WE ARE SELLERS SELLERS SELLERS. Garth, don’t screw around. If we lose PAP to free agency for free, you screwed up. If you lose Nabby to free agency, you screwed up.
Wrong. Once again, NTC.
NTC, Ozzy.
If the Isles lose Nabby to free agency, then that is Nabokovs choice.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, I forgot that. But still, if Nabby has a shot to go to a playoff team for a cup run I doubt he'd turn it down.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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LOL
You keep forgetting that NTC- maybe we need to put a post-it on your monitor! :)
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
lol. I may just have to add it to my sig as a footnote. I can't believe how many times I've forgot it.
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by OzzyFan on Feb 20, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Ozzy is saying if you lose him to free agency and it's not due to his NTC
I think you really overrate how often players invoke their NTCs anyhow, TMC.
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by garik16 on Feb 20, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NTCs are always "invoked"- unless teams get special permission to waive it.
Doing so is not the norm.
Fact: Nabokov moves only if he wants to move, and only where he feels like going.
Fact: Nabokovs agent said he is interested in re-signing here.
Therefoe, it is not even an assumption to say that the guy will not waive his NTC, it simply follows logically.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Reality is
this is Nabby’s best shot at a stating gig at a decent NHL salary over the next two years. No wonder he wants to explore a deal here.
And to that, I say, “чувствуйте себя как дома, Nabby”.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Feb 20, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hopefully,
that’s why Snow is starting contract negotiations with Nabby. If Snow comes to the conclusion that he will not sign with the Isles, he needs to see what’s available in the market and make a move if he can get picks and/or prospect. I know people here are tired of picks, but I rather get a pick and hope to land a Hamonic than take someone’s failed prospect (sort of like getting a used car….what do they know that I don’t) IMHO
by JoRiverside on Feb 20, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If the Isles lose Nabby to free agency, then that is Nabokovs choice.
Equally as wrong. He could be willing to go somewhere AND Garth could be unable to make a deal.
by afrosupreme on Feb 20, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Afro- it is Nabokovs choice where he goes or doesnt go. Not Snows.
OBVIOUSLY if NAbokov decides that he wants to be the starting goalie of the Rangers that aint happening. Im not talking about impossible scenarios.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Errr, Afro's scenario IS possible.
I’m not sure why you disagree with that. (If Nabokov would accept a trade to DET or CHI but they can’t make any deal, that’s on Snow)
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by garik16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Once AGAIN, Im not talking about scenarios that dont exist.
I just gave an example to demonstrate that.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Just got the chance to check in and say..
WELL THAT SUCKED…
The way this is going the Captain of the next Cup contending Islanders team is still in grade school......RESULTS DO MATTER..
The answer is none
none more shitty black uniforms when you need a big win against a beatable opponent in a holiday matinee against an opponent ahead of you in the playoff standings when there are 23 games games left and little margin for error.
none.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 20, 2012 7:48 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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by PGI on Feb 20, 2012 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
'Beatable opponent'
Keith. With all due respect you do for this site and even recapping over at IPB, but are the Sens truly a beatable opponent? They’re tied with the Bruins for their Division. The Isles are ranked somewhere in the 25th overall range. Just how many teams are they expected to beat? There’s not that many it seems.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Feb 20, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
They arent really tied with the Bruins for the division.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Senators are a beatable opponent.
The Islanders have, in fact, beaten them within the past two weeks.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Wow
I didn’t realize it was that close, but, several things…
The B’s do have 4 games in hand.
The Isles were at home. (which should count for something, but apparently doesn’t).
The Isles beat them in the beginning of the month.
They are one season removed from being worse than the Isles.
They are the Senators.
If they aren’t beatable, not much of the league is for the Isles and they should pack it in.
But yeah, still, I somehow didn’t realize how close that race was.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 20, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's add.
They were a -4 goal differential team before we played them.
They’ve been playing .500ish hockey lately.
They were the 3rd worst defensive team in the NHL entering today.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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Don't forget
They give up more shots than any other team, and we managed all of 10 in the first two periods despite being down multiple goals for almost all of that.
by afrosupreme on Feb 20, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, there is a long list of reasons as to why the Sens were a beatable team.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
And the Sens aren't that close to the Bruins as it looks.
In PPG, if both teams were at 61gms the Bruins would still have 7pts/3wins+ on them. So it isn’t that close, but still close given the Bruins freefall as of late.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Before todays game
They were 3-6-2 in their last 11, including a 2-4 road record with losses to Edmonton and Anaheim. I definitely think they were a team the Islanders could’ve beaten at home. If you beat a team on their home ice 2 weeks ago, there’s no reason to think you shouldn’t beat them again.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
That was a shitastic
Now I’m watching Cap-Canes trying to figure out which coach I hate more
by Torch7 on Feb 20, 2012 7:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Watching some NHL on the Fly
Jaffe being truly critical of the Islanders and I love it.
I miss him a lot and his honest analysis. I don’t get access to the pre/post game shows so maybe he is more critical than I give him credit for.. but just hearing him on broadcasts, he still just isn’t honest enough
by BaltimoreIslander on Feb 20, 2012 8:06 PM EST reply actions
its the lack of complete effort in a game that mattered that's galling
inexcusable
by Cary K on Feb 20, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
This one goes beyond line shuffling and call-ups. A loss is one thing A completely wasted game is something entirely different.
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by PGI on Feb 20, 2012 8:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yup. An awful game is an awful game.
It amazes me how there are people who harp and harp and harp on the idea of Nino getting a few more minutes and skating with JT would have somehow completely changed things!
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
the team going through the motions today
is a reflection of the coach as much as anything – the team came out flat as a pancake and Coach didn’t sense it – he played the same lines – he didn’t suit up Wallace when Okposo had the flu, did that make sense?
worse, he coupled Streit-Amac for no good reason – he seems to have no diea
Because if Okposo feels like he is ready to play, a smart coach would totally play wallace instead of him?
Really???
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
How the hell is THAT "defending Cappy"?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I love how when the team plays poorly you assume it's because they were just "going through the notions"
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by garik16 on Feb 20, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you actually ever watch the Islanders play
are you like stuck in a basement or something?
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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if you watched today's game
you wouldn’t be making jokes about teams not trying as hard as they could
I watched periods 1 and 2.
More than enough. And you’re the one joking here, my friend.
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Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a team cycle the puck and play keep away against us today as the Sens did.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
This has happened so many times every time thgere is a Monday Holiday Matinee game.
Going back about 15 years, can anyone look up the isles record on suchs days?
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Feb 20, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
And while we blame the players....
the coach deserves equal blame. Complete lack of effort.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Feb 21, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting
2010-11 NYI 21 18 1154 9 5 0 5 1 46 2.39 585 539 .921 1
2011-12 NYI 21 18 1159 6 6 0 5 2 51 2.64 558 507 .909 0
Montoya’s stats.
This year they’ve scored 53 goals for him, but they scored 15 of those goals over 3 games earlier in the season.
Last season they scored 68 goals for him, they had 5 games in which they scored 5+ Goals totaling 28 goals
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by Mark D on Feb 20, 2012 8:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And our scoring for him has to do with what part of his OWN goaltending?
(The answer is zero btw).
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I'm just curious
At what point did Mark ever say that our scoring for him had anything to do with his own goaltending?
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by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Otherwise, I don't see how it's relevant to anything.
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Looksto me like it was posted simply because the comparison is interesting.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, whatever
It’s not interesting to me but if it’s not being used for that purpose…then whatever.
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by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
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by ArsenalLI on Feb 20, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Thats practically x-rated
Tone it down a bit.
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by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Pfft Binary
I only read hexidecimal.
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by garik16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
rec'd
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by ArsenalLI on Feb 20, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a very large number.
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google is an excellent tool
or I’ll just make it easy because that’s how I’ve been doing this
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Nice. Alternatively, it's still a really large number.
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Is the answer to the question glow in the dark yarn?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Was that the number of turnovers
and missed shots from Rolston, Staios, Mottau, Eaton and Jurcina this year? If so, I think you’re short by an order of magnitude.
by martylnd on Feb 20, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think what he's saying is
we are near dead last in scoring in the league this year, so a below average Montoya doesn’t have the same room for error, unlike last year, where they put more goals in the net when he played
something like that
by Cary K on Feb 20, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
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I just see some stats posted.
But I honestly think that a goalie getting goals scored for him does have a mental effect on their own performance. It’s a lot easier to play goal knowing you don’t need to be perfect every time out.
Am I letting Montoya off the hook? No. But there’s more to the game of hockey than just numbers.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Montoya has been known to be a head case too.
That’s why he was in the ahl for most of his professional career. And the concussion didn’t help things. I haven’t liked at all what I’ve seen with him recently, but let’s hope it’s just rust.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
wait wait
Are you saying a head case as in mental, or a head case due to a concussion?
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mental
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
In fairness
he was going to be the 2nd or 3rd string in the NHL the year he had that major injury and missed most of the season
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I hear ya. Just thinking out loud as to one of the reasons for him being a career ahl goalie till now, and having obviously up and down play.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
You can say that about pretty much every goalie.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Last year we blew out some teams crazily if I remember correctly(or at minimum had more high scoring games).
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Montoya's first game was after the Penguins blowout
There were actually only 2 games the Isles won by more than 3 goals that Montoya started last year, both 4 goal wins. All of the other games were at least ballgames going into the third period.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well, not blowouts, but highscoring games is what I meant.
Over 50% of Montoya’s games last year (60%) he had 3goals+ of support. 40% of those games he had 4goals+ of support in. So yeah, Montoya has had far from the goal support he had last year this year. This is what I meant, I mixed words wrong above.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Yeah I think his first game was a 7-6 win over the Sabers
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well
10-11 .929 ESSV%
11-12 .917 ESSV%
You wonder if part of this has been due to injuries this year. Either way, he’s just been a tick below league average (.920) this year, after being above average last year.
I just don’t understand the SIGN NABBY, DUMP MONTOYA sentiment going on. It doesn’t make logical sense. Sadly, management seems to have embraced it also.
by afrosupreme on Feb 20, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It could possibly be
.917 SV% Before the injury
.860 SV% After the injury
It could be the injury. It could be not getting regular playing time. Whatever it is, if Al wants a place on this team next year, hes going to have to step it up.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
It could also be random variance/luck.
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Hence the word could
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by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I know. Just putting out the third option.
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Agreed
Like you’ve said before, it takes a lot bigger sample size to see who a player really is. But it is curious how much a drop off there has been in his performance pre and post injury.
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by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
if Al wants a place on this team next year, hes going to have to step it up.
I agree, which is why I think it’s ass-stupid he hasn’t been playing at all, and instead we’re trotting out Humbert Humbert.
by afrosupreme on Feb 20, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
is Humbert Humbert
another way to say the “Goalie who has been stealing games for us the last few weeks?”
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by Mark D on Feb 20, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Reference to "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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the name Nabokov has been good since January for the Isles. While Inigo Montoya is still looking for the 6-fingered man.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Feb 21, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Well I'm up for keeping both
1 year extensions for both too. Monty has been good enough to be a backup at the very least, and would be insurance in case Nabby hits a wall next year.
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by Mark D on Feb 20, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not a terrible idea
Especially if they are cheap enough that bringing Poulin in if needed won’t making cutting one of them an issue.
well they've both had issues staying healthy
so you can sprinkle around starts to Poulin and Nilsson
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agreed.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
But we have some real teams ahead of us
And have not played well against them for the most part. Best to get rid of the deadwood and be ready to contend next year like we should have this year if we were really prepared and had the proper roster.
Cappy when asked about Nabby..............
replied in effect he didn’t know [in reference to his health]….. doesn’t he communicate with the team Doctors? I suspect that its not a medical problem but rather trade flu. The latest that was reported was he was not going on the road. If in fact he goes at the trade deadline than, we are without a #1 goalie . If we improve enough up front and on D to be a contender for the play-offs next season we will need to acquire a #1 thru trade. At this point in their development Poulin/Nilsson,and Montoya need at least another season to be a ply-off caliber goalies.
You don't mean Cappy earning that much do you? lol
That’d be paying Cappy really well.
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Dead Horse Alert
this is what I get from capuano’s presser.
Given that the GM puts together the roster, and the coach parses the ice time…
snow gives capuano ness and Rolston, Capuano gives Martin had the least number of minutes. He gave him less time than Parentau who spent most of the game in the penalty box, and ended his night halfway through the third. So Jack, I say BULLSHIT!
I don’t think there is anybody on this site who has defended capuano as much as I have since DAY ONE. But this is something he needs to change. He needs to have a power discussion with his GM and they need to come up with a plan for next year… and it needs to start friday.
Rolston… press box
Pandolfo… press box
Ness… Bridgeport
Moulson-Tavares-Okposo
Ullstrom-Bailey-Parentau
grabner-Nielsen-Niederreiter
Martin-Reasoner-Haley
MacDonald-Hamonic/donovan(emergency only)
Streit-Wishart
Eaton-Jurcina
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by JPinVA on Feb 20, 2012 9:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
By this time tomorrow
I’d like to see Staios and Eaton gone, a trade done or close for Jurcina (or even some Islander rumors already – it’s like we don’t even exist) and get close to resolution on PAP and Nabokov.
Ness stays. He’s made a few rookie mistakes but has looked pretty good and maybe in the time he’s been up only A-Mac has been better (granted, that’s a version of feint praise) but next year some more B-port guys will be up and having someone whose played a bunch of games up here can’t hurt.
Wishart needs a chance to see if he has it. Calling him up to watch Staios, Jurcina, Eaton and Streit play “defense” is a beyond-stupid idea.
Line thought: Moulson-Tavares-Martin. Why not?
Martin's not a scorer?
Martin has been great in his role this year. He fits perfectly there. No need to move him.
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He's not a scorer
And I didn’t mean that he should be expected to be one. But he plays hard and at least it would be a very visible promotion – work hard and produce in your role and you get more chances.
There's a common misconception here IMO
Being on a line is not about effort. It’s not even about talent…it’s about each line having a role and fitting in that role.
The “first line” is the scoring line – hence Tavares-Moulson. Another line is the 2-way/defensive line, which is Nielsen’s line (which IMO he does best with Grabner). Other is the entirely defensive line, which sadly for the Isles is Reasoner-Pandolfo.
Martin’s been on a checking/defensive line all year, which is where he fits best. He doesn’t work with Tavares-Moulson – he removes another scoring option for them.
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Not always
Sometimes it has to be about sending a message. Otherwise players wouldn’t be moved so often from line to line. Martin may not be a permanent first line. I never even suggested it. But one of the coach’s tools is the message, and this is one of them.
Except when sending messages it has to make sense.
If you want to put Martin on the first line for the first 5 minutes of a game, sure. If you want to do so for an entire game, you’re hurting the team’s chances of winning for the sake of a message.
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That's a good point
It’s like in basketball when you see a star taken out of the starting lineup but he enters with 4 minutes gone and ends up playing 38 minutes.
You never hurt the team’s chances of winning to send a message. But you can effectively send a message in game for a small amount of time and still give your team a chance to win.
But is Moulson or Parenteau really a problem that we need to send them messages by putting Matt Martin on the first line, for any amount of time?
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by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes you have to think long-term
And if it means benching someone for a period or a game and moving a player to the top line for a game, how can that be much worse than what you saw today? And who know, it could even work for a short time.
I'll add a little to this.
Although you pointed out the obvious. Each o-line can and should use some defensive prowess and each d-line can and should have some offensive prowess. Or else you can end up with some terrible +//- lines, some lines stuck in their own zone all day, and some lines that give up oddman rushes and goals all day.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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Right.
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(Though Vancouver is attempting to disprove this)
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lol. They are trying really frigging hard huh.
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Doesn't really make a difference
because he doesn’t need to go through waivers. So technically they could send him down and call him back up immediately. They could retroactively add Reese to IR (if they don’t already have him on it) to open a spot
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by Mark D on Feb 20, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And after the Canes beat the Caps, we are gonna be 1pt out the basement in the eastern conference/last place.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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Sadly, the best we can feasibly get is the 3rd best slot in the lottery
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by garik16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's fitting
because we were the third best team on the ice today.
by martylnd on Feb 20, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sumo flashback thought from Wang today while watching the Presidents skate
“Maybe that Teddy guy can play goal”
Soon, our luck just has to turn around.
Watch we win the lottery this year and draft Yakupov or Grigorenko. lol. Doesn’t solve our d problems but gives us another high-end/elite offensive talent.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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Especially after last year
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by garik16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Larsson falling into our laps....gone. lol
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So painful too...the first 3 picks went right according to Pronman's mock draft (as he thought he was reading the words of team scouts)
which had Larsson falling to 5…..and then the Devils.
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"The next hedman". Screw us. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
I still think Fowler is overrated
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He was last year
This year the turnaround is remarkable – he’s been fantastic.
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by garik16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
-25 doesn’t help things. I just think he landed in a good situation. Does he put up 40 points if he’s on the Rangers?
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Wow, never noticed his advanced stats this year look so good till now. Damn what an improvement.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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Yea
I saw them the other day, and was amazed how quickly he’d adjusted. And while he’s still got a big minus, he’s drawing the toughest minutes and doing well on a team that crapped the bed.
by afrosupreme on Feb 20, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea. Pretty impressive, and if their PP wasn't awkwardly ineffective this year given their talent level, he could very well be on the verge of another 40pts season.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Yeah, and Fowler had Garth's loves in a d-man written all over him.
Average sized(lol), very mobile, puckmoving, hi-end offensive, hi-iq d-man. Weird he passed on that for an above average sized goalscorer, Nino was like the anti-snow pick there.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Listened to his scouts
but if Snow wanted Ehrhoff, Fowler was the same archetype.
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by garik16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
imho
Snow wanted Ehrhoff because who else was there?
He’s been trying to attract big name players the last 2 seasons and the Isles needed a defenseman.
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agreed
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Isles will most likely finish at around 10th place.
So I dont think even if they won the lottery that they would be able to do that.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
HUH? How is that any more "relative to last place" than 8th place in the playoffs? Or 9th place just missing the playoffs?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
I thought you meant 10th place league-wide with regard from the lottery. I get now you meant 10th in the conference.
Oh, OK.
You confused me.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt it
Isles schedule is murder in March so 10th place seems unlikely
Dont agree.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Have you looked at that schedule in March?
It could get ugly quick.
One thing Ive noticed about this team
is that they often lose games you think are “easy wins” and then win games you think they have no business winning.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but not often enough
Get ready for pain in March.
Just like the Giants!
That’s great news!
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 20, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Please don't mention the Isles and Giants in the same sentence again
unless you’re comparing their shades of blue which is the only thing they have in common. Oh okay both have four championships in the modern era :)
See?!!
So much synergy!
Just trying to stay blindly positive (I’m going to use lots of exclamation points just to prove it!)! I mean, do you realize I have to sit through an entire Mets season before the Giants come back?!
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 20, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Meh, playing the odds, strength of schedule, and the goal differential game.
Odds are we finish around 13th in the East, possibly 14th. Especially when you count the impact of Nabby’s elite goaltending play overall this year not likely continuing.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Yeah I think we beat Carolina.
unless Ward regains form.
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you know
I’d be surprised if Snow used a top draft pick on a dman, he seems to prefer stocking up on them later in the draft.
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You ain't kidding. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
While True, I think it's more that Snow goes for what he considers best talent on the board.
Regardless of position.
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It hasn't been a bad strategy so far
I don’t have a problem with him continuing it.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
agree
It really seems to work out better that way
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I think its too early
to definitively say you’d trade away a 19 year old or trade for a 19 year old.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
It is
but one would have addressed a still-lacking organizational need more than the other.
And to be fair, a ton of teams passed on him, but they were all wrong.
by afrosupreme on Feb 20, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait they were wrong
because he’s put up 7 goals and 21 points less in only 17 less games this season compared to last? Or they’re wrong because he’s a -43 in 135 career games?
Bc he hasn’t proved to me at all that he will be worthy of a Top 5 pick in the long run.
If the organizational need is a d-man who makes a lot of mistakes defensively, then you’re not paying attention. Because we have plenty of those on the Islanders.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
If the organizational need is a d-man who makes a lot of mistakes defensively, then you’re not paying attention.
That’s not really been the case with him this year, despite the bad +/-, which isn’t really a great stat.
We need defensmen that can move the puck up ice. Been the greatest struggle this year, of our many in my opinion.
by afrosupreme on Feb 20, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay so he's improved defensively this year
at the expense of his offense. A top 5 pick should be able to improve one without hurting the other.
And why Nino vs. Fowler. Why not Strome vs. Hamilton?
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well I think he's making the comparisons because A. they're both in the NHL so easier comparison
and B. Fowler was thought to be the best D Man in the draft and a top 3 talent but he slipped. Hamilton was always thought to be available at least at 5.
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Not really. Fowler's offensive numbers have gone down because he is facing much tougher competition and playing with a struggling PP and offense this year.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
But if Fowler is what he is supposedly advertised to be
Shouldn’t be be making a struggling power play better? Not struggling along with it?
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not in his 2nd year. That's crazy high expectations.
He’s already playing way over his head than a lot of people expected him to at this age.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Mostly because I was really high on Fowler (in part because I thought he could contribute quickly), and was surprised when they didn’t pick him.
I wasn’t as high on Hamilton, and he didn’t make the NHL his first post-draft season. Not really the same thing.
His shooting % is half of last year’s and the team as a whole has been down offensively. Not sure he’s taken a step back at all on offense.
I dunno
I see 3 goals from someone who you want as your answer to a need for an offensive d-man and I question it. How many players have looked good the first couple seasons of their career and done nothing after? How many players took a few years to develop and then were first line players for a decade after?
That was the point of my original statement that you can’t say we’re better off with this 19 year old over that 19 year old.
Am I down on Fowler? No. Has he blown me away to say we definitely should have chosen him over Nino? No as well.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
True
Nino could be a 40 goal scorer someday. I’m not down on Nino either. But we don’t have a big time two-way dman in the system, and I think Fowler could have been that. I thought at the time, and nothing after two years has changed that for me, but there are points on both sides.
That said, in the short term, Fowler would be doing a whole lot more for the team this year than Nino has. He’d look really good next to Hamonic. And we’d have one less of Eaton/Staios/Mottau.
by afrosupreme on Feb 20, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True
It honestly also depends on what management would’ve done. Would they have even kept Fowler on the team last year? Ever since Baily the team doesn’t seem keen to keep 1st year players on the NHL roster past their 9 day ‘try out’ so to speak.
If the Isles had drafted Fowler this could’ve ended up being his rookie season, just like Nino. I agree we could use him, you’d be stupid to think otherwise.
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
For a defenseman, I'll take top line D stats over offensive stats any day of the week
and he’s not exactly poor on O
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by garik16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the Capitals are so bad now
The firing of Boudreau must be one of the worst decisions in hockey in the last few years or so. The Capitals had been at roughly 50-52% in Fenwick over the last two years under Boudreau and actually were better than ever this season. They’ve been at 45% under Hunter. Granted, Backstrom’s been out for a while, but still, that’s unbelieveable. And the Ducks on the other hand, a 46% team in Fenwick over the last two years, have been at 50% under Boudreau.
These might be extreme cases and the Capitals might rebound somewhat or the Ducks falter again a little (though they’ve been clearly uptrending also in shot metrics over the last 15-20 games). But it’s pretty amazing and, though coaching certainly not always has this kind of impact, it gives you an idea what positive or negative damage certain coaching can do.
by BenHasna on Feb 20, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
to be fair
me neither. But definitely, have to give him credit for what he’s done with Anaheim and I guess the Capitals, though maybe Hunter just doesn’t have a clue at all and Boudreau is not actually a genius.
by BenHasna on Feb 20, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Boudreau
really knows how to get a lot out of his guys. I’m guessing that tighten up, play defense edict came from above (Leonsis, McPhee, whomever), and I think Boudreau did a pretty good job implementing a new system, but you’re not going to get buy-in to that type of game from OV or Semin.
When I watched the pre-Boudreau Caps, they were just awful. He got them playing that uptempo game in a matter of weeks and they blew the doors off teams when they were clicking. They had some bad luck in the playoffs and he gets canned, but I think he understands how to leverage the skills of the players he has, which is all you can ask of a coach.
Boudread has been very successful though. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
lol. They probably have done one of the worst and one of the best management moves this year.
Worst: Firing Boudreau(and for Hunter no less)
Best:Trading Varlamov for a 1st and 2nd round draft pick to the avs.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
I wish Islanders fans would join me and quit torturing themselves regarding the playoffs.
The goal at this point should simply be a winning season- a definite improvement over last year.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm still in last season mode, I gave up in November
if we make it I’ll just be pleasantly surprised
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
Id be more than pleasantly surprised, Id be shocked.
I dont know why so many Isles fans have to be one extreme or the other- either the team is going to the playoffs (which I dont see) or they are a miserable fucking failure and everyone sucks balls and there i no improvement on anything (which I also dont see).
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ranger friend said .500 hockey should have been the goal this year for the isles before the season even started. He was right.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
by OzzyFan on Feb 20, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No he wasn't
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Yes, he was
"...I was here on Day 1 when Garth decided to do the rebuild, and I really want to see it through." -- Frans Nielsen
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Feb 20, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that was a joke cause he’s a Ranger fan
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by Mark D on Feb 20, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And all the fun that came from my post is gone. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
I caused the mess
Im allowed to clean it up lol
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
It can also be argued that the Isles caused it by playing so bad lol.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
25-34 isn't really a winning season in my eyes.
But it’s improvement over last year, right? Isles had 73 last year (30-52), so six more wins will be an improvement.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 20, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Having more points than # of games = a winning season. Thats what Im rooting for.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
It is a step in the right direction.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 21, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Also I just noticed this
Parenteau is 32nd in points in his draft class, despite having 200-300 less games then a lot of 2001 draftees
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by Mark D on Feb 20, 2012 9:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
lol. Wow, that's a funny fun fact.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
another fun fact - Ullstrom v Rolston
Ullstrom leads the Islanders with Percent Goals Scored per Shot Taken with 16.7, Moulson is 2nd best at 15.3
Rolston is a glorious 3.9
of course, Ullstrom is in the minors and playing quite well & Rolston plays with Martin & Bailey instead
its simply genius
Really don't understand why Ulstrom isn't back with the Isles
He left because of the concussion not because of his performance.
Sad fun fact-Nino is 12th among regular isles starting forwards in toi.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
the good news is
when Nino’s ready to play more, he’ll be hitting – he retains potential to be quite useful
by Cary K on Feb 20, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
totally agree with that.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't know why and don't see it, but Nino is in cap's doghouse more than any other forward on the team for reasons I not know.
Rolston, Pandolfo, Reasoner, all used more and in more important circumstances(3rd line, PK, PP) than nino. It makes me sad. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Jay Pandolfo
is the only Islander with a lower Quality of competition (out of the regulars)
I have no excuse for Rolston, but I’d still rather see Pandolfo and Reasoner out there.
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Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Given the circumstances I can't really.
Martin, Bailey, Nielsen, and Grabs have all been better PKers, but yet Reasoner and Pandolfo still too much PK ice time. Defensively, 5-on-5, I can see them wanting Pandolfo/Reasoner out there, but how defensively conscience is this team? We need goalscoring help too. Cutting Nino off late in close games befuddles me, especially when he throws Pandolfo and Reasoner out there. In all honesty, he should cut off the 4th line completely in close games late, but that’s another story. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
I'm not defending the odd situations he uses Pandolfo and Reasoner in
The PK being the oddest one, considering how good Frans/Grabs were on the PK.
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I see what you wrote now. Nevermind the last post. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Yeah. Just recalling that Ullstrom slapshot goal has me drooling for more.
I really liked his game when he was here.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Me, too.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
really interesting, actually.
Just a reminder of how lucky you really have to be to have things pan out in the NHL for a kid you draft!
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Burn the black shirts.
RELEASE THE CURSE!
I'm NOT a jinx!
by BrassBonanza10 on Feb 20, 2012 10:15 PM EST reply actions
We need to bring back Steve Webb and the garbage can
That worked well when they got rid of the fisherman jersey back in the 90’s.
I think Steve Webb and a garbage can
and I picture some WWE move outside the ring…in this case, maybe behind the net
The Rangers have Jeff Bloemberg in the lineup tonight, why are we not dressing Mick Vukota?!?! This team is unbelievable.
by Chris McNally on Feb 20, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
NO MORE GIGANTOR
EQUALS 
I believe in ELI! Go Blue!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Feb 20, 2012 10:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You never cease to amaze me JP!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Feb 20, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Makes me think of a friend of mine who is a Phoenix fan lol
He almost always uses W.E.C. as his avatar.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Searching Garth Snow's nicknames finds:
“Costanza”; “The Blizzard”; “Norm”; “Snowplow, Sea Bass,”; “Snowman, Snowy,”
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
Wow - Frustrations still running high
Think everyone needs to chill out a little. Granted, its nice to make the playoffs, but did we honestly see this team making a cup run fielding one line that can score? Wishful thinking at best. Reason I get pissed at the team is I don’t expect them to look like amateurs out there and not show up at all. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not happy with today’s game either, but think some people need to tone it down a little. Same team!
We’re all islanders! (worst slogan ever btw haha)
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
by mikefromVA on Feb 20, 2012 11:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We’re all islanders! (worst slogan ever btw haha)
Sometimes it seems as if it should read, “we’re all suckers” or “we’re all chumps” or even “why bother.”
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
Should change the commercial to a picture of Katie Murray taking a sledge hammer to the Coliseum
Then quote Billy Joel
But there ain’t no island left for islanders like me
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
Save your ticket stubs...
If you suffered through attended today’s game, maybe Isles will give you tickets to a real hockey game in March.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 20, 2012 11:31 PM EST reply actions
Really?
Let’s hope so, although no professional NHL team should have to apologize to their fans like that.
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by Fabtraption on Feb 20, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
I hope this is real.
Because it is despicable that the team asks fans to pay for that garbage.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Feb 21, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
It makes sense to me.
It may be difficult for Isles to fill the seats in March.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 21, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Congrats to All
this has been a much more entertaining string of comments than today’s game – by lightyears
by Cary K on Feb 20, 2012 11:33 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
People yapping about playoff chances squandered and yet...
We have only 1 “winning” goalie this season… RDP…
That is both gross and hilarious to me
These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar
by bob l on Feb 21, 2012 1:33 AM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
I'll let everyone know the next time i get tickets.
Game 1 — Boston 6, Islanders 0
Game 2 — Ottawa 6, Islanders 0
It’s been maybe 4-5 years — I can’t even remember the last time I went to an Isles game and they won. Working a game at MSG doesn’t count.
It feels like when I go see my Twins play the Yankees. 1-13 in the last 14 tries.
I believe I've gone to three games this season
The Islanders have been outscored 12 – 1.
Also, I’m never going to a day game again. Apparently this team only shows up to play when it’s a night game.
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by Fabtraption on Feb 21, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch
Maybe we should switch things up, jonny. Chris and I will go to the game, and you can write the recap!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Ouch.
This was happening to me early in the season, too- it sucks.
Maybe you have to change it up- have someone else buy the tickets? Sit in a different section? Wear a different jersey? Mix it up!
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 21, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
