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Islanders Bits: Brooklyn, Prospect Talk, Secondary Scoring Woe

"Catch that guy!"

It's Groundhog Day, so Newsday carries a familiar lament from New York Islanders coach Jack Capuano: no secondary scoring. To wit:

"... we can put P.A. [Parenteau] pretty much anywhere we want. He's a gritty guy. He loves to compete and he gets the job done for us. Others have played well, too. But, to me, they pass up opportunities. You look at video and talk to them but, sometimes, they can't be playmakers all the time. They've got to think, 'shot' ...

Below, no sleep till more Brooklyn links, and John Tavares on NHL Live with ol' friend Deb Placey about being the NHL's 26th Star for January:

Star-divide

(Yes, the video cuts off in the middle of a Hradek question for some reason.)

This and That

You can always talk more Brooklyn. Coverage from the past few days:

Stu Hackel at his SI joint on why a lasting move is unlikely, including more timeless foggy talk about territorial rights. (Don't think the Brooklyn : Glendale analogy holds up though.)

And the Times on what alterations the arena will make for the Brooklyn preseason game.

Klein and Botta at the Times: "another shot across the bow of Nassau County politicians and voters, who have rejected every effort by Islanders owner Charles Wang to upgrade or replace Nassau Coliseum..."

New York magazine blog: "One exhibition game isn't likely to tell us much about whether the Barclays Center is a viable option, beyond giving fans a sense of the building's sightlines."

Setting the local political/development scene from Brooklyn Daily.

Jesse Spector, Sporting News: "Yormark is wrong about Brooklyn being an untapped hockey market—most of the subway lines that go to the new arena there also go to Madison Square Garden, and Rangers fans who live in the borough of 2.5 million people surely would bristle at the suggestion that they are an untapped hockey market. That said, the point of accessibility is key."

And beyond the Isles:

Commenters, consider this an open thread for any of the above as well as other news that comes up.

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Hell Yes I'd go for Wolski

I tell my Rag-fan buddy all the time I’d love to see what he could do on the Islanders if given a shot.

Still feels weird cheering for Nabokov

by ilopan on Feb 2, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

That guy, for me, is Mats Zuccarello

I think he’s got Ranger cast-off success written all over him. Sadly, he’s an RFA this year.

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by PGI on Feb 2, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Zuccarello without thinking twice.

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by Francesca on Feb 2, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Idk how he could resign with them

I know hes an RFA so he doesnt have much of a choice, but hes been buried in Hartford and theres no way hes getting playing time in their top 6 anytime soon short of major injuries, so as long as hes in their organization hell probably never seen regular NHL playing time

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by Zhora on Feb 2, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I have an unbelievably hard time understanding how they’re plugging guys like Fedotenko and Prust on Richards wing or Mitchell with Gaborik, and can’t find a role for Zuke.

I agree with PGI, he’ll be a good player somewhere, it won’t be with the Rangers though.

Also, you don’t want Wolski. I defend him a bunch (same logic as finding a place for Zuke, see above), but I’ve read LHH comments enough to know he’d infuriate you to no end.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 2, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, Fedotenko.

He’s about as “blah” as you can get. My pet goldfish is more exciting, and for the past 3 days he’s just been floating around.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 2, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He was tremendous last year, and has been close to a zero this year. It’s quite strange.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 2, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Im hoping that hes not with the big club because of the salary cap

But a few of my Ranger friends are just starting to assume that Torts simply doesnt like him. He does seem to play favorites sometimes. Like you said how can Fedeotenko and Prust get time on the second line over skill guys like Zuke or even Wolski? I know Torts has a hard on for grit/jam, but sometimes it seems like he prefers the gritty players a little too much

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by Zhora on Feb 2, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

No, the cap has nothing to do with him being down (otherwise why the heck is Wolski still here). Torts wants him to get playing time, and won’t use him in a bottom 6 role. Hagelin kinda screwed Zuke a little bit by coming in and being gangbusters, but there’s still no real excuse for him to be down, especially with the offense struggling.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 2, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Does Wolski have a repeated move or tactic that he uses in every game regardless of how effective or ineffective it is that we can ascribe a silly name to?

Because, if so, I think we can make it work for us here.

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by PGI on Feb 2, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, Frolov and his ‘fraparound’ was much better for that.

But if you like lethargic, non-engaging skaters who somehow still have an elite ability to put up points at even strength only (seriously, he stinks on the PP), then he’s your man.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 2, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Even strength seconday scoring points

are exactly what this team needs. Not sure he’s the answer, but that is definitely the question.

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by Keith Quinn on Feb 2, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Wolski is the sort of guy that numbers say should be much better than he is

In games like my EHM ‘07, it’s those guys who wind up being big scorers because the game rates their physical tools accurately, and then flubs the numbers on their mental tools. Wolski and Schremp and Fehr are BEASTS in the Its Just Dots Hockey League. The funny thing is, other players with similar real-life profiles whose physical and mental “ratings” reflect real-life, perform to those standards… you drool over all the nice high green numbers on his profile page, and then throw things because they sleepwalk through the season. It’s frustratingly accurate.

The Isles and Rangers have done so few trades (meaningful or otherwise), I think the odds of obtaining Wolski are slim during the season… and the odds on Zucarello are vanishingly small.

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by mikb on Feb 2, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Add Zherdev to that list, and I think Nik Bergfors also.

Those guys are productive at the NHL level, but they drives coaches batshit crazy by being unengaged and it runs them out of the league. I mean, there’s no rational reason why guys like those can’t find jobs on offensively inept teams, and guys like Cam Janssen never seem to go away, but such is the NHL world.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 2, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Wolski < Comeau

In 2009-10 I adopted the Avs as my [second] team to root for because the Islanders were in the dumpster. So I watched a few games here and there. I really liked what Wojo brought, but he brought it inconsistently… and later became a Yote… So I didn’t follow him much.
At $3.8M even as a pending RFA… PASS. I’d much rather see Nino 2.0 next year get a top six role. He’s way more budget friendly. If they wanted a Wojo they wouldn’t have given up on Blake… who was more consistent, more productive and much more budget friendly.
Comeau put up about .45PPG in 292 games. Wojo has put up about .69PPG in 400GP. But mostly in his first four years with the AVS.
The most important part of this is that the Islanders MUST fix the defense FIRST. When they can put three pairs together that move teh puck from the D-Zone to the N-Zone there is ample talent to get it the rest of the way.
This is not another PAP situation, where maybe they weren’t giving enough respect to a young talent… this is a guy who has been moved twice already as a professional.
And the last thing they need is another LH forward.
No thanks.

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

@that beer league thing

I was just thinking about doing something like that! How weird.

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by Chairman Meow on Feb 2, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

I'm thinking pass on Wolski

I don’t know. Something went sideways with him a while ago. He had the big rookie year and has tailed off ever since. And who the hell gave him $4 million a year? Santa Claus?

Maybe he works out. He’ll surely get playing time from the Islanders. But he seems to have more baggage than the usual Snow waiver pick-up.

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by PGI on Feb 2, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

I think he's a good half-season rental to see if he can blossom when removed from the shadow of MSG

You could always let him walk afterward if you’re unconvinced, no?

Still feels weird cheering for Nabokov

by ilopan on Feb 2, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

And you only have to pay half the salary, right? And you potentially screw the Rags, right?

by afrosupreme on Feb 2, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Most likely

Because he was playing with or behind Sakic, Tanguay, Hejduk, Turgeon, Svatos, Stasny, and Brunette. That’s a pretty daunting top 6-9 there> Not sure he’s been in a similar situation since Sakic and Turgeon retired.

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by Keith Quinn on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And who the hell gave him $4 million a year? Santa Claus?

LOL!

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by TheMetalChick on Feb 2, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And who the hell gave him $4 million a year? Santa Claus?

$3.8m, and he was coming off a 65-point season (split between two teams), of which 50+ (I think 54) was just at even strength. It’s surprising he didn’t get more, but the baggage probably weighed it down.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 2, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

From the Times article:
While the 16,250-seat Coliseum has some of the best sightlines among league arenas.

Uhh…

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by isles732 on Feb 2, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

It's true

Can’t see the scoreboard from the top, but you can see the ice better than almost any new arena because the seats are much, much closer.

by afrosupreme on Feb 2, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And not to mention,

for anyone there during a playoff game (no jokes about how we are almost extinct lol), it’s the loudest sports environment I’ve ever been in.

Take your big, state of the art “areeners”, I’ll take the old barn for a playoff game anytime.

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by CharlieIsles on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So true, so true

Unlike at Yankee Stadium (young or old) or Fenway, both of which are loud and the stadiums do creak and rock, the noise and the rocking of the old barn gives a hint of danger, like the damn thing may crack open or collapse. Just fantastic. It’s been a while since I last felt that in ’07.

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That, sir

is an awesome description. I remember being at Shea for the Todd Pratt HR in the playoffs, and I felt the stadium waving and shaking underneath (which at the time scared the s*&t out of me, but I would later find out is actually SUPPOSED to happen).

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by CharlieIsles on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I was there for that too...

The place was just pandemonium. The guy next to me ripped his seat out and carried to the LIRR and took it home.

by CloseCallJiggs on Feb 2, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but felt that way about both old Yankee and Fenway.

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by Judgegavel on Feb 2, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

YES

the only difference is that the new barns have to make their own artificial noise. Playoff games at teh coli give you a sense of energy that you don’t get from a sound sytem cranked to 11.

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

In 1993

Against Washington, the Isles were down three zip entering the third, not sure which game of the series. Then they tied it up and Ferraro scored in overtime. It was so loud, my heart felt like it was about to come through my chest. The roar continued out into the parking lot and you could even hear it on Meadowbrook Parkway. If or when they build a new barn, they have to find a way to re-create that. also it was home to that 1940 thing, which is the ultimate chant that I have ever heard.

by kennyboy13 on Feb 2, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I have sat underneath the press box and have not been able to see:

1. The goal on the far side
2. Center ice
3. The far side neutral zone face-off dot
3. The Jumbotron

Also, the last row of seats, added years after it was originally built are terrible.

Most of the seats are fine. But that one whole side is just awful.

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by PGI on Feb 2, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

329

In the top half of 329 (defending zone corner) you can’t see the jumbotron, but the view of the four Stanley Cup banners makes up for it. I don’t mind, great view of the entire ice.

by dunnowhat2type on Feb 2, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

NVMC is well-known to be among the leagues best as far as sightlines go

Its a compliment that even people who hate the Isles and NVMC will concede.
If you think NVMCs sightlines are bad, you must absolutely despise every other NHL arena.

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by TheMetalChick on Feb 2, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Prudential Center...

is a good one. i enjoy seeing games there.

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by gukid17 on Feb 2, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I need to try out some more newer buildings

Because so far everyone has made me miss the old barns, save for when I need to get to the bathroom or to the beer line without squeezing through a human ball pit.

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by Dominik on Feb 2, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And no place

to conveniently store the body armor you need when you leave the place after a game.

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by Torgo on Feb 2, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

MSA

in Indy was built in 74, 2 years after NVMC. Both were originally designed for Hockey. If my memory serves correct, MSA designers visited NVMC before drawing up the prints. I believe this to be correct due to my one visit to NVMC in 80, it felt like I was back home in MSA.
As far as the horseshoe in Brooklyn, I watched a USHL game last Friday at Conseco field house. Sat in the lower closed end of the horseshoe and it felt weird to see nothing behind the far net but a floor to ceiling grayish tarp. My main observation after 8 of the 10 total goals were scored at that end was that the tarp made a nice consistent background for goal tenders to pick up the puck.

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by skeeterman on Feb 2, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

and Rangers fans who live in the borough of 2.5 million people surely would bristle at the suggestion that they are an untapped hockey market.

Because Rangers tickets START at 60 bucks (at least according to the info I could find) and Islanders tickets start at half that? I’m sure there are plenty of Rags fans who just want to see some hockey and would go to the Isles games just cause they are cheaper. Or people taking their whole family. If you are bringing the wife and two kids it’s 120 bucks for Isles tickets vs 240 for Rangers tickets. And that’s before you consider the price of food and whatnot.

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by Mark D on Feb 2, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

I’m sure there are plenty of Rags fans who just want to see some hockey and would go to the Isles games just cause they are cheaper.

They already do. I cant remember the last time I went to a game at NVMC and DIDNT see a few Rags fans there just to watch a game.

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by TheMetalChick on Feb 2, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Rags fans, Devils fans, Whalers fans, there’s always a crazy assortment of jerseys at most Islanders games.

by dunnowhat2type on Feb 2, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not PRO BKLYN...

but it makes sense because the Brooklynites would adopt them as their own. Just like the Dodgers. Brooklyn is a city unto itself. Of course you’d get the Islander haters, but think of the breakdown of Yankee fans in Queens. Before 1969 I’d bet they were 90% Yankee fans… then the revolution of 69 where met fans were born on the back of the bandwagon… same as Jet fans.
If the Isles built a champion in brooklyn they’d have the richest success in their history. Of course, Nassau and suffolk county fans would probably feel like the parents who had to give up their child for adoption… and they’d only have their politicians to blame.

I still say the best resolution would be a new arena next to Belmont. But with every grain of sand in the hourglass that becomes less and less likely.

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

but it makes sense because the Brooklynites would adopt them as their own. Just like the Dodgers.

I don’t think they even would have to win a cup to be loved there.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 2, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

One factor most people seem to forget.

There are Isles fans in Brooklyn NOW. Between current Brooklyn residents and LIers commuting to/from work into Manhattan, the place would sell out most nights. Of course, providing the mgmt. ices competitive team.

by O.Bender on Feb 2, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Like the Dodgers?

You mean after a while the Islanders will move to Los Angeles, just like the Dodgers?

We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!

by Russel Ginart on Feb 2, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you're being funny...

but my point was that the anti-evil-empire fans will gravitate to the Islanders. I was an Islander fan who was born and raised in Brooklyn. I know that BNOY and Bender are correct.
My only issue with BKLYN is that it will strip away SOME of the identity of the Isles. Brooklyn (as TMC will no doubt point out again) is part of LI, but it is a borough or NYC… it is not a SUBURB… it is the URB!
If they waited 40 years or so to move to LA I’d be cool with that.. I’m pretty sure I’ll be dead by then.

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Russell, do you know the story of the Dodgers moving to LA?

O’ Malley wanted to pay for a satdium with a roof in Brooklyn and they wouldn’t let him do it. So instead, NY has the Mets and the stadium where they wanted.

Meanwhile, the City of La GAVE (yes, gave) the Dodgers Chavez Ravine. He said we might as well be 3,000 miles away, if we are not in Brooklyn.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 2, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the history lesson.

Really, I did not know the details of the Dodgers BKL to LA move, thanks. I used to be a dedicated baseball fan until 1991. Yes a Met fan! I gave up on the sport in that year and have NOT watched a game since. I did catch a few innings of the NY Mets vs. NY Yankees World Series only becasue at the time my wife wanted to. But otherwise “beisbal bin bery, bery dead to me”! (Chico Escuela)

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by Russel Ginart on Feb 2, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You haven't missed much!

especially as a Mets fan.
/hangs head in sympathy

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

that also depends on who you ask

There was a lot of talk in the 50’s about reloctions, and the advent of commercial air travel made expansion to the west coast viable for the first time. Walter O’Malley was a shrewd-enough operator to know that being a perpetual supporting act to the Yankees was not as sweet a gig as being the star new attraction in a huge, untapped market. But he couldn’t go out there alone, either…

Enter the owner of the Giants, Horace Stoneman. (I hope I remembered the name correctly.) Amid a lot of inside wrangling involving the Commissioner of Baseball and other owners, O’Malley successfully angled to take his act out West, with the Giants coming along as their natural National League rivals. I’ve read that part of his demands to Brooklyn were designed to “force” him to go to Los Angeles, though I’m not sure how much salt is required to swallow that theory.

But it could have been any number of teams besides the Giants. The chapters on this in “Veeck as in Wreck” are fascinating. Before the Busch family bought the Cardinals, they may well have been forced to move due to the McCourtian travails of their then-owner, Fred Saigh. But once they were saved by the power of beer, Veeck knew he was through in St. Louis – the city couldn’t support both teams much longer – and tried to move the Browns. He tried to beat the Boston Braves to Milwaukee (where he’d been owner of the minor-league Brewers) but was stymied. The Browns wound up in Baltimore, but he was forced to sell all his interest in the team to do it. Then after his first stint owning the White Sox, he tried to buy into the group that would bring the expansion Angels to LA, only to have O’Malley lead the drive to thwart him again.

In some ways, Charles Wang is shaping up to be a non-peg-legged version of Bill Veeck with all his misadventures as owners of the red-headed-stepchildren of the NHL. It’s actually another reason (like I needed one) that I hope he and the team win a Cup, because of the delicious bitter tears that the Sad Pandas of the hockey world would surely weep at the sight of Tavares and company waltzing the Cup around the loudest, proudest old barn in hockey.

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by mikb on Feb 2, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I've read countless books and a couple documentaries

And that’s the story I know. I’m not even saying O’ Malley was perfect, I’m saying the two rich guys got what they wanted and the people of Brooklyn got screwed.

And it wasn’t until they told him he couldn’t build his stadium in Brooklyn that LA offered him that deal.

How do Islander fans spell hope?

T-A-V-A-R-E-S

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 2, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I defer to your judgment

I haven’t read as much on this topic, and part of it is no doubt colored by the bitterness of the fans of Dem Bums, many of whom swore never to follow the Dodgers again because of the move west. So it could readily be that O’Malley made a good-faith effort to keep the team in Brooklyn. I mean, if Wang sold the Isles to Balsillie and he bundled them off to Ontario, I’d curse his name for all my remaining days – even if that was the only way to keep them intact.

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by mikb on Feb 2, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

You're absolutey right about them taking the Giants with them

The closest team to them would’ve been the Cardinals. They took their arch rival, brilliant, really.

How do Islander fans spell hope?

T-A-V-A-R-E-S

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 2, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus you have the Nets coming too...

most Ranger fans are Knicks fans obviously, moving two sports teams in around the same time, makes adopting them as your own even easier.

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by Judgegavel on Feb 2, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This is also a stupid argument because the Mets exist and they seem to do well

…I mean, they don’t win or anything like that, but you know what I mean.

/sobs

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by Fabtraption on Feb 2, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Knicks and Nets are equivalent to Rangers and Islanders

and isn’t that situation supposed to work for the NBA? So I wonder why so many pundits don’t think the Islanders who have more fans than the Nets who move every 15 years couldn’t do as well if not better.

The only significant arguments, in my opinion, is the stadium size and that the Islanders would be tenants.

by Hockey1919 on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Plus

The league hates the Islanders

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by Chairman Meow on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And the Nets

already have no fans left in New Jersey.

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by Torgo on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Cizikas named AHL player of the Month

Poulin named AHL goalie of the Month

No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring

by Anarcurt on Feb 2, 2012 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

Damn

Has an organization ever had the # 1 NHL Player of the Month, AHL Player of the Month, and AHL Goalie of the Month? Have the Isles scored some bizarro trifecta? What are the Vegas odds of the Isles & Sound Tigers pulling this off?

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Garth you idiot

trade all 3 of them

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T-A-V-A-R-E-S

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

For

Komisarek

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by Keith Quinn on Feb 2, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Excuse me

For Komisarek

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by Keith Quinn on Feb 2, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

im in the camp

that says gm’s should be graded on free agent signings and trades, and not draft picks. those grades are for scouts who just tell the gm’s who to pick.

gm’s get way too much credit for good picks and way to much crap for bad picks

by ripcurl2121 on Feb 2, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

By that logic though

aren’t there plenty of “pro scouts” who give GMs info on guys they should trade for or would fit into their current system? GMs don’t go to watch pro players very often either. (Probably never right?)

I mean, when was the last time you heard “David Poile is in attendance for tonight’s Oilers/Hurricanes matchup”?

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by Keith Quinn on Feb 2, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

at the end of the day the buck stops with them. I assume Garth was the one that cut Jankowski loose (and you wonder if it was Bailey over Schenn) for that very reason. It will be interesting to see how the post-Jankowski picks play out vs the ones he identified. That would actually be a decent evaluation tool for Garth.

by afrosupreme on Feb 2, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i just think

GM’s should be up on all current NHLer’s and teams top prospects for trades and signings. its alot easier to follow them in today’s day and age of technology. you dont have to be in attendance to be up on things in the nhl. but without scouts, its impossible to do that with the (tens of) thousands of potential draftees all over the world

by ripcurl2121 on Feb 2, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You're still talking about

probably more than 1000 players all told. Not that it’s the same, but I technically supervised about 800 teachers. I would say the ones I knew best were the elite and the terrible. Even still, it was impossible to know all of their strengths and weaknesses.

I think more what you are looking at is identification of a team need, poring around through research, stats and scouting for the players that best fit that need, and analysis of cost in relation to that need. I highly doubt that any NHL GM has the ability to familiarize themselves too much with David Ullstrom or until an offer is made, or a need pops up for their team.

In a perfect world, I’d agree with you, but I don’t think that anybody has the stamina and capacity to learn that much and retain it throughout a season…especially when there are internal issues to take care of, evaluating the draft targets anything else on their plate…like sleep.

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by Keith Quinn on Feb 2, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

this

That’s why the Isles have Kenny Morrow as the head of Pro Scouting. Hell, that’s why there is such a thing as Pro Scouting. And that Kenny does his job very well, I have no doubt – witness Moulson, Parenteau, Streit, and Grabner.

In a much stupider example than Keith’s, I look at my stupid fake EHM team. I’d say that 75% of the time I spend in that game is in poring over the scouting reports of the prospects and opposing players, and sending scouts for detailed looks at pending UFAs and RFAs and potential assets – and that’s a much-simplified model of what actually goes on in the real world. I don’t know how there’s enough time in the day for Garth and his staff to keep track of everything in the world of hockey and still have a life.

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by mikb on Feb 2, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You have to give him credit for some of it

They have less scouts than the bigger teams and Garth seems to use the players and coaches on staff to evaluate talent as well. That’s a big reason they picked up Matty Mo. He seems to stick with many of the same programs too (for later picks). University of Denver picks have worked out real well for us as an example.

Also, who knows what kind of ‘Moneypuck’ stuff he’s doing in the background.

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by Anarcurt on Feb 2, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

There's really no way he picked Cizikas just because someone told him to

That situation demanded careful deliberation.

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by Dominik on Feb 2, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You could say the same with Petrov and Kabanov, I think

A little different, but the sentiment is the same.

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by Fabtraption on Feb 2, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think it's a just a part of the same process.

Snow has did a good job refilling a depleted farm system. He’s basically rebuilt a foundation. That’s more important long term than just signing FAs. Now, however, and maybe even starting last summer, it’s time to fill in the gaps with FAs. If he has another summer like last, than I would say that was a huge step back and a failure on his part. But right now, as disappointed as I was to not get anyone good, I’m ok with it. I like what’s happening in Bridgeport, so you have to at least give him credit for that. Eventually, that will move up to the NHL.

by Les Beaver on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

here ya go

Garth Snow sucks at being Mike Milbury…

by GreekIsles83 on Feb 2, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I think the standard "Garth Snow Sucks" angle is

“blocker side”

Still feels weird cheering for Nabokov

by ilopan on Feb 2, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

NOT FAST ENOUGH GARTH

You should fleece the rest of the league like they were bad AI GMs!

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by mikb on Feb 2, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Cappy quote

I’m wonder who the main pass(eng)ers are that he wants to shoot more.

The most obvious target is Bailey, who is shooting at an even lower rate than last year’s low, low rate (although he was over 2 shots per game in January after hovering around 1 per game the first three months). Grabner is getting a half shot less per game this year compared to last year, which adds up to around 40-50 on the season. Okposo’s shot rate actually declined in January compared to December, despite being with JT, but I doubt he’s one of the offenders. Nino seems to shoot as often as he can and was near 2 a game for January. Martin struggled for shots in January, but has met expectations overall I’d think.

All of which brings me to … Frans? Frans is at 1.5 shots per game, after 2.2 last year and 1.8 the year before. He hasn’t averaged 2 in any month, and had a putrid 17 in 13 January games. Could Cappy be calling out The Dane? Would he risk Death by Backhand?

I don’t know. Obviously they need some alternative scoring, but I’m wondering who exactly Don Capuano has in mind here.

by afrosupreme on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

"......but I’m wondering who exactly Don Capuano has in mind here."

Franz, you’re nothing to me now. You’re not a center, you’re not a winger. I don’t want to know you or what you do. I don’t want to see you at the hotels, I don’t want you near my house. When you see our team, I want to know a day in advance, so I won’t be there. You understand?

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by CharlieIsles on Feb 2, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

WE NEED ROLSTON BACK!!! PUCKS TO THE NET!!!!

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by Pauly C on Feb 2, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

If they do shoot more

we want them at least getting the puck in the general vicinity of the opponent’s net. Using Rolston’s brain doesn’t get us closer to that.

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by Torgo on Feb 2, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That might really be why Rolston's riding pine

He sucks up a lot of shot opportunities from his linemates. Maybe there’s hope that Bails will pull a few more triggers now that he knows the puck isn’t just heading to the end boards when they break the zone.

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by mikb on Feb 2, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny thing

the guys on the “craps” table last night were Rolston, Reece and Wallace…coincidence?

http://islanders.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=614935

Probably nothing considering Staios and Mottau were on blackjack.

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by Keith Quinn on Feb 2, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't see Frans as being the target....

I think the plan was to have Bailey be the second offensive center, and the “shots” taken have to be thought of as effective shots. With that in mind the biggest “passenger” is (do I really even have type this).
He was firing from all over the place, but ineffectively. Bailey has two SH shots in the last two games and two goals. He needs to switch roles on that line (as Ben suggested a few days ago..I think). Whether it’s Martin and Rhett, Ullstrom and Rhett, or Martin and Ullstrom, any combination of those wings offers Bailey a more balanced “shoot v pass” decision.
Once the one wheeled cannon is gone that issue will be resolved. I can almost guarentee it.
Frans has one job in my opinion, CREATE TURNOVERS. He has two weapons for advancing (Grabner) and positioning(Parentau) the puck. he also has good possession sense, but maybe not the best creative vision. PAP and Grabs need to be firing more pucks… but I really see that as a more defensive line with very good offensive upside.
The next place to look for more offense is the fourth line… but we may have to wait for Reaoner to return. He might be pretty happy getting Martin (if Ullstrom is brought back up) and Nino to play with. Even Nino and Rhett would be an improvement over what he had before he was hurt.

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah
Obviously they need some alternative scoring, but I’m wondering who exactly Don Capuano has in mind here.

Right. I took it as the usual coach’s lament spiced with a quibble with Bailey and probably Frans, maybe even Nino.

Also in the quote was about getting to the net themselves, so there’s that aspect. And maybe he’s even referring to defensemen being too cute looking for a pass from the blueline, or forwards not getting to the net quickly enough to make the D-man’s decision to fire on net even easier.

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by Dominik on Feb 2, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

One play from Tuesday...

Where Staios had time and space to get a shot on net. Instead he fired a pass/shot to the forward just below the circle…way out of position for a redirection. I was on the other side of the ice, but it looked like he said to himself, “what would streit do here”.
The difference is that Streit centers himself and makes that shot llow (on the ice) and to somebody within a foot or two of the posts. Staios basically shot the puck at the guys mid-section… thank bossy he’s not accurate.

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually...

it was Steve Staios… he was probably trying to bank it off the boards, and the forward got in the way.

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I meant the forward.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 2, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Question on stadium ice-making

In the stadiums that can accommodate hockey or ice skating and have an ice rink platform underneath their hardwood and general-purpose floors, do they maintain that ice year-round even as the ice surface may be used for a very small percentage of events? Or is it made and then drained over the course of the year, barring repairs or maintenance?

Just curious….

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

They keep it up year-round

They just put the basketball floor over it, unless there is a dog show where they’ll melt it. The dogs somehow know theres ice underneath and get freaked out.

by EastsideIslander on Feb 2, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow seriously?

That dog show bit is interesting trivia.

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by Anarcurt on Feb 2, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

they take it out for monster truck events and the circus, too.

I remember Howie talking about how much more worse than usual the ice was at MSG right after the circus (Barnum & Bailey, not day-to-day NYR operations) had finished its annual run.

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by Torgo on Feb 2, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Fascinating stuff, thanks for all the info

Other than for the sake of convenience, I was wondering about the energy expense of having to maintain a frozen slab of ice year-round when it may not get used daily. Like with Barclays—they may have the odd hockey game, but it’s not like the court & ice will be alternating a few times a week throughout the winter.

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

What do they do at the Garden during Westminster?

I can’t imagine them melting the ice for just two days. It usually takes 5-7 days for the ice to settle and the Garden ice as it is considered to be “pretty bad”.

by O.Bender on Feb 2, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

From 'How It's Made'

http://www.youtube.com/v/7hT3yfuLPIU

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by Torgo on Feb 2, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

LOLOL

I had posted this link in a prior thread, then came over here to find you beat me.

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by mikb on Feb 2, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

They spray down white ice?! And they stencil, and then paint by hand? Somehow I thought it was a bit more high-tech than that.

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think most NHL teams use machines now

But the Coliseum is still all done by hand

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by Zhora on Feb 2, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's awesome

Thanks for that.

I wonder who was the first to paint the ice white.

by afrosupreme on Feb 2, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Barclays Center Construction Update, Feb 1

I’m just flooding the site with posts today. But this is really neat to see:

http://www.observer.com/2012/02/a-tour-of-the-atlantic-yards-arena/#slide1

Good to think that, need be, we can slap up a billion dollar arena as fast as this, as soon as it gets approved.

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

It's not like if they approve a new arena in 2014, we're out of luck.

They’d sign a new lease to play in the Coli until the arena was built.

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by Chairman Meow on Feb 2, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm thinking Barclay's

can also be a temporary home if an 11th hour deal is worked out (which is probably going to happen)

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by PGI on Feb 2, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I wouldn't mind that.

It’d give me an excuse to see the new arena without lowering myself to going to a Nets game.

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by Chairman Meow on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

There will be lots of opportunities.

Musicians who would be playing at NVMC will be interested in playing at the new arena.

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by TheMetalChick on Feb 2, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

See, this is another aspect of Barclay's that really hasn't been discussed yet (I think)

How much is having a brand new building going to take away from the Coliseum in terms of concerts and shows? Bands are going to want to play in the brand new building. How long before the WWE, which has been putting on shows at the Coliseum forever, starts to look into Barclay’s? It may already be too late. But the Nassau honchos may screw themselves very, very severely if a new arena isn’t built.

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by PGI on Feb 2, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

About a quarter of a billion dollars

if this is accurate

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by Torgo on Feb 2, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt they'll be an overlap, but I wonder how bad

As Barclays looks to be filling up 220 events in the first year, and I think 175-180 are already booked. It won’t make sense to woo stuff like Sesame Street Live, the Highlands Show, and the Expos to Brooklyn. Besides the Nets, they’ve also booked a tennis tournament, some boxing events, college bball, college hockey, and Ringling Bros., and they’ve already pulled a few items away from MSG at least for the first year (none of which would impact Coli events). Big concerts play at MSG and the Coliseum, so I wonder if promoters would be more likely to move shows from MSG or Nassau, as the audiences are very different.

One issue I haven’t seen discussed is whether Ratner/Prokhorov would lobby against a new Coliseum, because there’s no doubt that a closed Coliseum would throw a few more events their way. So far, they haven’t said anything that would let me to believe they would, and they are gunning for MSG and the Dolans—not to mention that the lobbying won’t be effective in Nassau (unless they get Joe Mondello on the payroll). But I wonder if they’d try to lobby against an arena in Queens, near Citi Field if that became a real option.

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Great point, the Izod Center...

or whatever its called this month, has definitely seemed to have lost a ton of business to the Prudential center.

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by Judgegavel on Feb 2, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, you'll be able to watch games from outside, in the street

The scoreboard and (apparently now, in a surprise) the court/ice from street level somehow. Should be pretty snazzy.

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That is what I think, too.

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by TheMetalChick on Feb 2, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff, brother_rat
Mr. Ratner was excited about a key design feature of Barclays Center that places its basketball court below grade so that patrons will be split between heading up or down to their seats in the arena, depending on where they are sitting

Am I missing something, isn’t this fairly common?

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by Dominik on Feb 2, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You missed the rest of his space age stadium upgrades
Mr. Ratner further expounded that Barclays Center would also feature what’s known as an electronic scoreboard which shows the current score using “electronic displays” and never before seen in-arena-bathrooms for patrons to relieve themselves.

by GreekIsles83 on Feb 2, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But what about the guys with the chalk?

He’s just going to put them OUT OF A JOB?

OCCUPY BARCLAY’S!

by Les Beaver on Feb 2, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, I don't know why this is such a big deal

Although I think in many stadiums, even new ones, you go UP to some main concourse level, and then up and down to your seats. So, if you enter on what will be the concourse level, it’ll be less movement and backlog. I wasn’t aware this was a problem, though.

Funny, MSG touts that its concourse and court/ice level is above street-level as a positive, who knows what the deal is.

Haha, no relation to the Ratners, though!

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

whoa,

where are all the seats in that dang arena? and it says 18,000. i thought i read here its only like 13,500

by ripcurl2121 on Feb 2, 2012 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

Plus it has luxury boxes

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Seats that can see the ice

And seats that the ice would replace.

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by Dominik on Feb 2, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And

I heard some section would have to be moved back in some capacity, with the ice-ready arena looking like a bit of a horseshoe. This is hard to imagine, so I’ll just have to wait until Oct. 2.

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

where are all the seats in that dang arena?

Thousands of them are on what would become the ice surface.

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by TheMetalChick on Feb 2, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

the video cuts off

because JT was apparently talking on his cell, and the call broke up, then dropped. Deb was about to ask JT if he’d ever been to Brooklyn before.

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by Torgo on Feb 2, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

In my mind what happened was his phone was hacked and a mysterious caller

calling himself Attob Attob cut in and started cackling, saying Garth Snow had “24 hours to return the writers credentials, if he ever wanted to see his little Johnny boy again….AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHA!” Due to the frightening nature of the call, they just cut off the interview. Snow was then seen shooting out from underneath the Coliseum driving a black SUV/Tank thing. It’s a good thing Lucious “Fox” Rolston finished working on the the First Line Tracking Devices this morning, probably gonna come in handy. I hear PAP is mad cause he didn’t get one. Well, he had one, but they took it away and gave it to Okposo (who apparently dressed it like a clown and calls it ‘Little Posty’, which is weird, but you know that crazy Kyle!) Grabner was seen running down Hempstead Tpke after Snow to help out, but Snow turned left and Grabner, as he’s wont to do, missed it. Not sure where is he now, but judging by my calculations, somewhere in Ohio.

by Les Beaver on Feb 2, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice...

minor alteration:
As I look upon the Nassau crowd,
A message comes both clear and loud,
Shadows pass like bees at the hive,
I’m the 26th best player under the age of 25!

So with that info given me,
I’ll make this prediction clear and free,
Unless we get a top four D,
Waiting one more year is where we’ll be.

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

What rhymes with Greenberg?

Stinky turd? Thoughts absurd? Luxembourg?

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I currently see ECHL games in a horseshoe style arena that seats around 9,000

Having sat at the end where the seats don’t wrap around many times, when you sit down low, for some reason it just doesn’t feel the same. I can’t explain it….The only good thing was I got to yell at the refs and opposing team (no canopy) as they entered and left the ice. I could see Barley’s just as a temp site until another arena is available.

And I loved the site lines in the old barn!!!!

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by FireGarthSnow on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

I would love a junior or AHL team in Brooklyn

Or maybe even one of the NY colleges if they add a team.

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by Anarcurt on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You can watch the FHL

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 2, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Snow needs to sign

Matt Puntureri of the NJ Outlaws, just for Mouvember.

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by Torgo on Feb 2, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That league is a trip

But Brooklyn seems to have it together more than most teams in that league.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 2, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I caught an Outlaws game

vs Brooklyn in Wayne a couple months back. NJ is destroying that league.

But their ‘arena’ is really just a regular ice complex with some bleacher seats on one end and one side, and they put these things that look like booster seats for my 10 month old in. They were physically impossible to sit on comfortable or for any length of time. I would have preferred the cold metal of the bench.

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by Torgo on Feb 2, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no clue where Wayne is (I grew up in Western NY state)

But Brooklyn plays in an old airport hangar which is actually perfect for that league. It seats about 2,000 they said.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 2, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Stately Wayne, New Jersey

High in the north of the state, zip code 07470. Passaic County is that odd-shaped one… like if Wyoming was an amoeba almost finished budding off Illinois. Wayne is right in the skinny part in the middle.

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by mikb on Feb 2, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Here it is

How do Islander fans spell hope?

T-A-V-A-R-E-S

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 2, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that...

Ossama bin Skaatin

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What ECHL team do you follow?

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 2, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I live in Vegas, The Las Vegas Wranglers

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by FireGarthSnow on Feb 3, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I followed the Pensacola Ice Pilots for years

Great league. Next year I will watch some Orlando Solar Bears games online.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 3, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Brock Nelson

seems to develop nicely at UND. Would be very excited to see him at BPT next season but based from what his coach says, maybe one more year in college wouldn’t hurt. Only downside to his game appears to be that he hasn’t filled that 6´3 frame yet. But it looks like he has improved that area as a sophomore.

Very promising and underrated prospect IMO.

by DavidSweden on Feb 2, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

He uses his size mostly for leverage and stick checking

I don’t think he needs to add much size. You don’t want him losing agility to bulk because right now he moves really good for a bigger player.

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by Anarcurt on Feb 2, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

One thing

Half his goals are on the PP. Not necessarily a bad thing.

The nice thing is he doesn’t have the loophole, so we can afford for him to stay another year if needed and not worry about getting Gregioried.

by afrosupreme on Feb 2, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

he getting there,

i’ve seen a few sites that have him now at 205, including the islanders site

by ripcurl2121 on Feb 2, 2012 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

ESPN continues to look for ways to dis Tavares (and make themselves look silly doing it)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/blog?name=nhl_draft&id=7527772&slug=2009-nhl-draft-early-returns-ranking-early-value-john-tavares-other-top-picks

I don’t even know what the list is trying to rank. How does one assess a draft pick’s excepted value? I can’t explain it other than an attempt to get pissed Isles fans to visit their site and sign up for Insider.

Next: ESPN will rank players in order of their uniform numbers.

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Feb 2, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Next: ESPN will rank players in order of their uniform numbers.

At least Tavares would finally be top 25 in something.

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by George E. Ays on Feb 2, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

where is he on this list
  1. or #11

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by DarthDoyle on Feb 2, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You must have a subscription to this rag!

YOU'RE THE ENEMY!!!

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN

Why would I pay for this shit, when I don’t even read your site for free?

How do Islander fans spell hope?

T-A-V-A-R-E-S

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 3, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

BPT RPT

Fornabaio quotes Thompson on the progress of Katic, dehaan and Brent Gallant. Katic is two weeks from being cleared for contact, and deHaan and Gallant are behind him.
I would think that puts us a month or so from seeing Wishart, Donovan or Reese to close ou tthe season.
That, of course, is if Katic comes back 80% or better.

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

Bettman on Brooklyn...

“How many people can we cram into Prospect Park for an Islanders v Rangers Winter Classic”

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by JPinVA on Feb 2, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish

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by Mark D on Feb 2, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Good god

Intermissions with FOOD TRUCKS. This would be a dream.

by brother_rat on Feb 2, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I say they play a winter classic for territorial rights.

If the Rangers lose they have to move to KC, if the Islanders lose they have to stay in the NVMC for 30 more years.

by Hockey1919 on Feb 2, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

So just got home and got my Hockey News in the mail

And this is the first sentence of the Isles team report
“much of the Isles’ offense can’t even score at a Playboy mansion party but Matt Moulson is still suprising. "

I hate them

by Torch7 on Feb 2, 2012 6:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Why is Matt Moulson a surprise?

The guy has shown for the past three years that he can score at a 30 goal per year pace. Jesus, what the fuck.

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by Fabtraption on Feb 3, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

May be mentioned already

Looks like Snow is on NHL Hour 6-7pm. But Bettman too:

LINK

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 2, 2012 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

Garth on Brooklyn

Nothing that’s not in the press release. Gary and EJ did not press him on whether Brooklyn is a potential destination (no surprise).

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Feb 2, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

Garth on trade deadline

Made his boilerplate comment pursuing opportunities to improve the team if it makes sense but not selling away young talent. Hopes to finish strong and make the playoff.

If there was anything to take from the discussion is that he doesn’t plan on moving guys like PA and Frans before the trade deadline (or if he did, that would be contrary to the thrust of what he told Gary and EJ).

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Feb 2, 2012 7:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs


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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.

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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.

Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.

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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.

A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.

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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.

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