Blues 5, Islanders 1: In Emergency Start, Montoya Led to Slaughter
Well, the first minute went Danishly anyway. Frans Nielsen showed he could go top shelf with the forehand too, and a mid-week crowd was immediately placed into delicious discomfort.
After that, worst fears confirmed. Al Montoya looked rusty stepping in last minute for flu-afflicted Evgeni Nabokov. The overall run of play was actually closer than the 5-1 final indicated -- and believe me, that's not being apologist -- but Brian Elliott made the saves Montoya could not, and the Islanders' previously stubborn PK bent and broke. (Those last two facts are related.)
It became a rout by the halfway mark.
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There was another turning point that perfectly captures the limbo Nino Niederreiter is in right now. Down 2-1 in the second period, Nino made a sweet play from the right wing boards to set up Jay Pandolfo all alone. But Elliott waited Pandolfo out, made the save, and Nino lost the battle for the rebound along those same half boards.
No problem though, right? It became a 3-on-2, but Niederreiter hustled back like you beg young players to do, so we got this. Except Niederreiter just made the wrong read, drifted to the left wing side where Mark Eaton was already one-on-one with the puck carrier, leaving Milan Jurcina to choose which of two other men to follow. The open one, Andy McDonald, placed in a juicy rebound without resistance.
One moment, Niederreiter almost keyed the tying goal. The next moment, his youth was a factor in the lead expanding to 3-1.
Being at the arena to see the whole overhead view from the nosebleeds, I was particularly keen to watch Nino. During the first period I saw exactly why he's not "there" yet. Regardless of the low skill of his linemates, he was just too hesitant, too indecisive, not assertive both with the puck and without.
Later in the game -- McDonald's goal aside -- I saw the other side of this coin. The little spurts of Nino's talent on display like those Flashes Of Bailey we see every now and then (hopefully increasingly now, less then). He used that big body to buy space and cut across the middle, the way his junior coach Travis Green says he likes to do. It opened up high slot shot opportunities (he usually passed) and passing lanes.
Some fans freak about Nino getting "buried" on the fourth line, but the 19-year-old is gonna be okay. He has things to work on, and if and when the Isles playoff push becomes too distant for even public statements otherwise, then he might get some trials with better players. For now though, given the decision on juniors-or-not is long passed, I get why Capuano has him on the fourth line.
Game Highlights
Game Notes
Newsday's Mark Herrmann quotes Montoya on the last-minute starting nod:
"It's my job to be ready at any time," Montoya said. "Tonight is one that I want back, but the puck had eyes, it was finding its way through. It's tough that I couldn't have had a better game, but I'll look it over and put it behind me."
This is by no means all on Montoya -- the shots were pretty even in all three periods (27-26 by the end), but the Blues were obviously the classier team. And his teammates in that recap, to a man, said the right things about it not being on him. Still, Montoya was caught swimming in his crease too much, and on some of the screened shot goals and rebounds you could see his timing was just off. Nabokov in probably makes this closer, maybe even steals a point. Yet to be fair to the Cubano, Nabokov looked similar earlier in the season when he was getting infrequent use, but he's been rock solid and fundamental the last two months. Goalies, man. Goalies.
Reffing Lament of the Night: It was a fairly called game -- NHL silliness on both sides -- but you know the veteran grinder on the good team gets the benefit of the doubt over the unknown junior when Scott Nichol molests Josh Bailey up and down the ice, with and without the puck, capped by a reverse takedown, and the ref just watches it in all three zones. If there hasn't been a memo to officials to start calling it like the playoffs or start whistling like it's 1999, I'll eat my Nielsen jersey.
The Wizard Returns: Not just Nabokov had the flu -- apparently Steve Staios did, too. I will not take credit for spreading food poisoning at select St. Louis restaurants, but it was nice to see Ty Wishart get a trial. He did both good and bad things. He still loses some board battles you'd expect a man of his size to win. But he was composed, a gamer. Most of Wishart's shifts were with Mark Streit.
PAP Be Feisty: No surprise that the only moment of post-whistle scrummishness in this one involved P.A. Parenteau at the end of a shift. I didn't catch how it erupted under than the usual around-the-crease chest-thumping that hockey players do from beer league to the NHL, but Parenteau had no accomplices.
The Powerplay: Not terribly sharp tonight. Five shots on five full powerplays (though three of them in the third, with the game out of hand), but Elliott really shut the door and the Blues amply protected the house and cleared the rebounds. Fun to see Matt Martin and Josh Bailey as a second unit get some time on the PP with the score out of reach though.
Battle of First Lines: Including the powerplay, the game also turned on John Tavares/Matt Moulson/Kyle Okposo vs. David Backes/T.J. Oshie/David Perron. The Blues won that matchup, but it wasn't a landslide at even strength by any means. The Blues were clearly prepared for Tavares, but he still pulled off passes and threats that great players do. Good sign there. For that first line as a whole though, Okposo is simply not posing enough of a threat.
Islanders Jerseys Spotted: Three, lower bowl, but I didn't get a chance to properly scan my own half of the arena. There are usually more, so I'm assuming there were more tonight.
Harassment of Visiting Fan: Minor. I wore the white Nielsen #51, took razzing from only one teen punk and later one drunk (who insisted Rick DiPietro both broke his face and pulled his hamstring in the Brent Johnson fight), but my buddy wearing a Blues Backes jersey was more unsettled by the encounter.
Ken Hitchcock on the game:
The lopsided scoreboard notwithstanding, Thursday night was not the cure, at least where coach Ken Hitchcock is concerned.
"We’re not there, yet," he said. "We’re getting better, but we have to get back to that. ... I told the players today, 40-50 shots directed toward the net, get those 70-80 attempts, we have to get into that area again.
[...]
"It was a 5-1 win, but it wasn’t a 5-1 game," Hitchcock said. "I thought we were slow out of the box.
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Ultimately, a 5-1 loss to this team, with a last-minute change in net and a rusty goalie, isn't too surprising. It's not satisfying and it's not an excuse, but when the eight-points-behind-eighth Isles meet the top-five Blues at home where the Blues are dominant, well you know. (On that note, sorry for the Blues-heavy morning preview but ... those notes were faithful, were they not?)
Tampa Bay and Winnipeg each won in extra time tonight. Now in 12th and eight points and four slots behind Toronto, the Isles play next on Saturday vs. the Hurricanes.
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didn't get a chance to watch the game...
that bad huh?
"Redemption? Sure. But in the end, he's just another dead rat in a garbage pail behind a Chinese restaurant."
Probably not as bad as the scoreline
Closer game before it got out of hand … Elliott made stops and had protection, Montoya didn’t and had none/no D clearance around the net.
Blues D did a great job boxing guys out around the net and kept juicy rebounds from being converted.
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by Dominik on Feb 17, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Two biggest differences I saw:
A) Blues have a lot more physical strength. (Isles missed Hamonic.)
B) Blues seemed much more organized, especially in the first couple periods.
At least two of the goals were partially results of rookie mistakes: Nino mentioned above and Ness’s tripping penalty.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
what about Montoya
He was brutal I can’t believe the defense these comments are giving him saying he was screened an pucks were deflected, and he was rusty late start announced. I don’t care you are a goalie in the NHL if you can’t see the play you move and battle if you can’t see the shot you react to the players and go down I have never ever seen a goalie just stand there and not flinch on so many goals remember the shoot out his last game. He single handed list this game let’s face it you aren’t going to score more than one of two against the leagues best in goals against and among top in save percentage. Nabby would of got at least a point Montoya let the team down needed to keep them in it.
by rgm304 on Feb 17, 2012 11:22 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
He didn't single-handedly lose the game.
But he hasn’t been the same since his brain injury. He did allow some bad rebounds on unscreened shots. But the Blues did often have a man right in front of him, and the Isles weren’t able to set up those kind of opportunities in the Blues’ zone.
I thought the Isles were outclassed last night. It is possible Nabby could have stolen a point, but I don’t know how you can say he would have with any certainty.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
screens are no excuse
A screen is something a goalie puts up with several times a game he had no battle with the guys in front of him to see the puck or anything he cost them the game because of his lack of trying lack of battle and was simply not ready he let his team mates down that’s how I say he cost them single handed
by rgm304 on Feb 17, 2012 1:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Did your keyboard run out of punctuation?
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 17, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
But you do realize...
…that the simple act of “battling” through a screen puts the goalie out of position, right? It’s a gamble. Screens create goals over time. Put the best goalie in the league in the game against 20 screened shots and an average goalie at the other end against 20 unscreened shots. The average goalie will win the game the majority of the time.
That’s why I say he didn’t single-handedly lose the game. Yes, Montoya was bad. Yes, he was awful at times. But there were 36 players out there creating and preventing screens, and St Louis’s 18 skaters won those battles over and over.
Montoya had some help in losing last night’s game.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to chalk things up to luck, or lack thereof
but I agree with Montoya’s quote that the puck had eyes last night. The deflected shots (some of them 2x deflected) all seemed to find net. Funny how a few more blocked shots by us or some more fortunate bounces and it could’ve been a 3-1 loss, and we wouldn’t be questioning Montoya.
as for luck and the puck with eyes
see Lundqvist the other night stopping Chara with the back of his head while Chara had a wide open shot. Why are the best goaltenders alwasy the luckiest?
Again, not judging Montoya, but Hasek used to make the “impossible” stops all the time to. So it can be done, we just don’t know how some of the great goaltenders do it.
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the Lin-dqvist save
I put that one on Chara more than anything. He saw Lundqvist down, facing the wrong way and he had a good foot and a half of open net to shoot at but I think he took something off the shot. Maybe because he didn’t want to nail the guy in the back of the head with a hard shot, his shot fluttered and didn’t get the air it should have.
by GreekIsles83 on Feb 17, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
but against Yan Denis it goes of his head and in.
Every time Mike Mottau plays defense, a snow angel gets its wings.
Glad you didn't say Rick DiPietro
shudder to think what would have happened.
by GreekIsles83 on Feb 17, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
and swelling on the knee.
Every time Mike Mottau plays defense, a snow angel gets its wings.
the word trainwreck come to mind
Nino has no confidence. You can see it in his play.
No one seemed to play very well. They were just beat. It happens. Unfortunately, there’s no wiggle room to let it happen.
What is making you say that about Nino in this game?
Nino looked fine in this game. He was making some good plays.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
He seemed to believe in himself a lot more this game from what I saw.
Jagr on Nabokov: "He was there even before we tried to shoot it."
by ToddMclellan'shair on Feb 17, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
absolutely
With the puck, probably also in terms of confidence, it was his best game ever. Away from the puck, not so much.
I will take your word.
I’ll fess up, I really only watched the first and then sprigs of the second up to the 3rd goal. During the third, I was reading the thread which mainly consisted of a long Rolston bitch session, with one eyeball on the Sharks/Tampa game.
Jagr on Nabokov: "He was there even before we tried to shoot it."
by ToddMclellan'shair on Feb 17, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
mainly consisted of a long Rolston bitch session
Shock!
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by Dominik on Feb 17, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly,
I can understand. I watched my very first Islanders game with the sound down, just observing Nabokov, and what were then to me, unknown players. Rolston was thrown into relief. I was truly baffled as to how he was playing in an NHL game. I even squinted at the blurry feed to get his name. First thoughts through my head, “This oddball is helping them to lose the game!”
Jagr on Nabokov: "He was there even before we tried to shoot it."
by ToddMclellan'shair on Feb 17, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Nino......
I would agree that his confidence is shot. Call it confidence or decision making, whatever it may be, but he seems to be thinking too much instead of just reacting. When i watched him play at the Isles prospect game a couple years ago he was a head and shoulders above the development of all the players around him. He seemed highly skilled with good hockey instincts and he was nasty. Even in those 9 games last year he seemed to play nasty and just really piss the other team off. I see a lot less of that this year. I really havent seen any of it at all outside of a few nice body checks. He will come around, hopefully sooner rather than later. But if i had to pick one thing i would just say that he is thinking waaaaaay too much on the ice. He just needs to relax and play a power type game.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 17, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Prospects aren't NHL players, by and large
Nino looked great in those games, in part because he didn’t have to think the game at a very high level to succeed. It’s glorified shinny for the most part, where you can showcase pure talent and not have to worry nearly as much about game planning, or making quick decisions and then executing them precisely.
It’s fantastic that he looked better than everyone else, but that alone doesn’t mean that he’s ready for the top-six in the NHL, not at 19 years old. So he is slowing down to think about what he needs to do, and the game passes by him in a flash. Of course it’s a little disheartening… this may be the first time in his life he is out of his depth on a hockey rink. It’s probably the single biggest reason he’s on a fourth line with veterans, where he has little burden to carry the team while learning. *
* and yet another reason why Tavares is amazing. He DID help carry the team while learning and is turning into an incredible player.
If (when) Nino internalizes the faster and more complicated thinking and acting/reacting, then we’ll see more of him standing out for good play like he did in the prospects game. For now, he’s just gonna have to learn and not give up, even if he seems “unconfident” while he’s doing it.
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by mikb on Feb 17, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That thinking is a big part of why young players struggle
For the first time in their careers, they have to think about way more details than they did before — especially on defensive coverage. It doesn’t come naturally when they’ve relied on a lot of innate physical skills up to now. It ends up putting them in that mental limbo, which in turn can easily make them look unconfident.
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Isles in Seattle
I just hope when the Isles move out here they leave Snow and the old guys in Long Island. In Winnipeg butch said "Cappy said he is playing Rolston (I think, it was one of the old guys) for defensive purposes. Really, a team that can hardly find where the net is located needs a bunch of old defensive guys? I just don’t understand, Haley, Ullstrom, Nino, these are the guys we will be moving forward with. FRIGGIN Play them. Wang is just trying to suck every penny out of you New Yorkers by making believe we are in the playoff race and you come spend money at the game. I’ve been an Islander fan since the first time I saw a hockey game 30 years ago. I have Center Ice and haven’t missed a game in years, but dang I would like to grab Wang and Snow around the necks and pound thier heads together.
Idaho, Islanders?
How did that happen? I thought I had it bad in Seattle.
by BobSulli on Feb 17, 2012 2:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't call Rolston a defensive forward.
What would we call Rolston?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
I thought we settled on
cap mule?
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offensive. very offensive
His play truly offends me
As impotent as Rolston's offense is
The defensive part (in coaches’ eyes, I’m sure) is that he knows where to go and coaches trust him for that. They’re probably wrong — or the rest of his game doesn’t justify that small level of comfort in “veteran”/“defensive” savvy.
But I don’t think it’s a mystery why coaches tend to do this. Watching Nino’s defensive reads away from the puck last night underlined that point for me.
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*rolls eyes*
Really, this is how you want things to start off here?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
As evidenced by the Nicklas Grossman trade for a 2nd and 3rd round pick earlier tonight, this is a seller's market.
It has gotta be time to sell now. If Parenteau won’t sign to a reasonable deal, he should be moved. Move Nabokov to the highest bidder. Take any picks from anyone who wants one of the rental traffic cones on D.
Math
If 3rd line forward = 2nd rounder, and good, young defenseman = 2nd + 3rd rounders, does that mean PAP + 3rd rounder > good, young defenseman?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
I was wondering that myself
I guess it depends on the playoff team needs. In theory, this sounds right, but an “experienced defensively responsible grinding depth forward” can have a ton of value. I guess it really depends on how much other teams recognize that PAP has that in his game too. But the couple of deal that went down yesterday gave me hope.
If that’s the going rate, and PAP can land a bit more, I honestly am not sure it makes sense to even re-sign him at all.
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ACT NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST
the Islanders are having a sale on "Experienced defensively responsible grinding depth forwards." If you call in the next 10 minutes, we’ll throw in a Michael Grabner Gremlin t-shirt absolutely free!
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Good notion
However, Grossman is a rental, he is an UFA at the end – so we probably COULD get a rental good, young defenseman for PAP + a 3rd rounder, but we probably wouldn’t get able to re-sign him, so we would probably just be giving our 3rd rounder away….
He looks to be the only freshman in the top-10.
The next highest 2011 draftee was ranked 7th: Clendening, who was drafted 2 spots after Mayfield at 36 overall.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 3:16 AM EST up reply actions
I think he was
rookie of the week last week too. I clipped a short interview of him that Dom may put in a Bits post later.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 17, 2012 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Missed the game.
as sleep & work finally got the better of me, not that upset I missed it now. Good points on Nino though, I like the look of him & hope he can develop in to something special for the team patience is the key with him I feel. Lets hope we have a better result against Carolina.
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by Kung Fu Panda 48 on Feb 17, 2012 3:15 AM EST reply actions
very sad game after I was sadden by the passing of Gray "The Kid" Carter
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by Rickfansince76 on Feb 17, 2012 7:36 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
The biggest compliment I could ever give "the kid" is that he played baseball like a hockey player.
Those years in Montreal served him well.
Last night SNY called Carter ‘one of the most popular athletes in Montreal history’. Sorry, SNY- if you had said he was the most popular baseball player in Montreal history, no argument from me. But with all due respect, the most popular athletes in Montreal history are hockey players. See, its this whole other sport… they play it on ice… with a puck… nothing?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Still probably true, for all that
Played 11 years there and was well-beloved, went into the Hall with a ’Spos cap. They actually used to sell out Stade Olympique in those days, and he was a huge part of it. Sure, not as popular as LaFleur, Dryden, either Richard, or a few others, but the Kid stands out in some ways because he had far less competition in his sport. Tim Raines was probably the more valuable player but nobody cared when he, or Dawson, or Steve Rogers, or Larry Walker (Canadian and everything!) skipped town.
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I lived in Montreal for a few years and he really was one of the most popular athletes period.
They actually did have it right, he embraced the whole hockey culture while he was up there and he developed a big cross-over following.
Every time Mike Mottau plays defense, a snow angel gets its wings.
KO is not the only problem on the 1st line right now...
Moulson has not been a threat lately either…JT has not been dominant.
Moulson "hasnt looked good lately" IYO?
Wasnt that Moulson making that amazing play last game to keep it in and scoring? Isnt it Moulson who is the only guy on his line who has scored lately? Moulson, who is on a career pace?
There are lots of things to complain about, KO- Moulson is NOT one of them.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Agree: This team needs secondary scoring ASAP!!!!!
The second and third line have to put some pucks in the net! Oh wait just to be clear put pucks in the opponenent"s net! Can’t assume anything!
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by Russel Ginart on Feb 17, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Moulsons goal was on the PP...
I’m talking about the 1st line as a unit…They have not been scoring since the month started
But with that being said...
It is probably not their fault…Its because the other lines are not a threat so teams no to just smother the 1st and the rest will take care of itself…This is why Garth needs to address these issues…
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Funny every time Im about to go on a tirade........the CANCEL button saves my ass!
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by Russel Ginart on Feb 17, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LOLOLOL
Now that is wisdom talking.
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by mikb on Feb 17, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe you should get a CANCEL tramp stamp in case you go to prison.
Every time Mike Mottau plays defense, a snow angel gets its wings.
dont think Moulson has been effective either....
Moulson has one good thing about his game. He can finish. Outide of that he provides very little. He is not a good passer, he’s not a fast skater, he’s not a physical player and rarely wins a battle along the boards. This is why you hear a lot of people who dont watch Moulson play everyday say, “I dont know how he does it”. He just doesnt bring much else to the table if he’s not finishing and scoring. I personally am in a love/hate relationship with him bc when he’s finishing i love him, but when the team is struggling and he’s not scoring i hate him b/c he can be so ineffective at other aspects of the game. Yea, he’s having a great year, but i point to JT for that. Moulson has not shown any difference or improvements in his game from last year, but everyone is aware of Tavares’ improvement. So as Tavares’ improvement advances, Moulsons #’s will go up.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 17, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with this assessment of Mouls
To me he’s Mark Parrish ++. MM is deadly below the dots, but has little value anywhere else. Don’t get me wrong, finishing skills are hard to come by and we need someone who can light the lamp.
I wish MM would do whatever JT did in the offseason to improve his power skating.
MM is actually very good along the boards, I think that part of hsi game is very underrated.
Every time Mike Mottau plays defense, a snow angel gets its wings.
by Hockey1919 on Feb 17, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Beat me to it!
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
His value along the boards is
his sick eye-hand coordination. When the opposing D is trying to clear it past him, there’s a good chance he gets a piece of it.
by 4PeatSake on Feb 17, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, that's it.
And his body positioning has to do with that, I think.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Largely agree, but...
…I don’t know if Moulson’s improved in this area or if I just notice it more this season, but his passing ability is better than I thought. He also is a pretty good battler along the boards, at both ends of the rink. I wouldn’t call him dynamic, but I wouldn’t say he’s one-dimentional either. He’s not a very good skater, but his body positioning is good and his stick-work is very good.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
True, he battles
but is neither strong on his skate nor physical
True.
But he’s more physical than Grabner. (Mostly because he can’t get out of the way as quickly.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
But he does come up with the puck.
Every time Mike Mottau plays defense, a snow angel gets its wings.
Moulson's passing
I don’t know if Moulson’s improved in this area or if I just notice it more this season, but his passing ability is better than I thought.
Exactly the thing I’ve been wondering for months. Particularly around New Year or so I think Moulson had some outstanding games in terms of his passing. I haven’t noticed quite the same quality over the last few weeks maybe and don’t really remember what his level was exactly one or two years ago, so, yeah, still wondering how much he’s improved there or if it’s just me… But yeah, seems like you’d be on the same page, cool. However, Moulson’s clearly not a bad passer.
wow, thought i was going to get burned for that one....
I’ll never underestimate the importance of finishing though
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 17, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I am in agreement on Moulson
I will never take away his goal scoring and passing ability. He is terrific at both. But his inability to carry the puck is too glaring and will only become more exploited as teams catch on. Moulson will not carry the puck up the ice. Even when he is headman, he will pass laterally to JT or KO. I understand its not his role…but teams can play to expect that. It really makes their line easier to shut down.
I have seen people say he is good along the boards. I disagree. He’s average and he’s not as good as JT or KO in this regard. Moulson is best in front of the net. He has good hand eye coordination (great on deflections) and while his shot is not hard, he knows where to slip it and can do it quickly. But this means if JT and KO are being snuffed out as carriers, Moulson looks extra weak.
by GreekIsles83 on Feb 17, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Every player has strengths and relative weaknesses
The Isles are getting what they want to get from Moulson. He isnt as good as JT? Well who on earth is expecting him to be?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I AM!!onetwo!
It’s all Snow’s fault!
BUST
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by mikb on Feb 17, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But Moulson is great at 1 thing...
and hes not that great at much else…That’s what these guys are talking about..I don’t think anyone’s expecting him to be as good as JT, lol…But it would be nice if he worked on his other weaknesses as hard as JT does…
Perspective. KO.
It is unbelievably against the odds that he is even an NHLer.
There is nothing to complain about in a player who is an iron man for your team, a friendly fan favorite, and scores 30G for your team every season. To tap ones proverbial foot and expect more, more, more is irrational.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 18, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
This all started from my point that the entire 1st line has struggled to score points...
Not just KO…I’m not complaining about Moulson…Hes a gem
This team created an identity last year...Isles fans and even some alaysts gave a chance to make some noise...
I wish they could’ve kept that going again this year…Garth better address the glaring issues..It is his fault they are the way they are…We need secondary scoring and defense…He better not serve up Kool Aide for another year…
You can’t blame it all on Garth. Secondary score.g wasn’t a problem last year. Its not Garth’s fault that Grabner isn’t scoring like he was last year. But the on the defense it is his fault that he couldn’t acquire a top 4 defensemen in the offseason.
by The boogieman on Feb 17, 2012 9:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You need good defense to help the offense...
If Grabs isn’t what we thought he was then Garth needs to address that…The team is constructed the way it is because of the GM so the blame has to fall on him…He gets praise when they succeed and he will be the goat when they do not…That’s how it is…This team is playing the last 30 games as if its the playoffs…Maybe they should’ve treated the games like this since the start…That is on the coaching IMHO…I hate when these guys keep talking about how games this time of the year are crucial….“NO”, all games and points in every game are crucial if you wanna be a contender….
If its not the GM's fault that we have a horrible defense then whos fault is it?
I would have never let Hillen leave this team for sure..Hillen was fast and could make a slick 1st pass and he threw some nasty hip checks with his small frame…Instead we have an Old man Staois whos to slow to make a hip check and instead of making a slick 1st pass he just wings the puck around the boards in hopes it gets out…Jurcina is one of the biggest dmen in the league and he throws his body around less than Hillen did…That is pathetic!! If I was the coach I would require Juice to hit or he would be doing bag skates…Get some fire big guy! Also Martinek would’ve been better than Eaton or Mottau even if he was hurt for parts of the season…I would blame it all on Garth…It is his job to address the issues and he did not…IMHO…He didnt get Ehrhoff and I appreciate e the attempt…But he also shouldnt have let either of these 2 go…Especially Hillen…I know Hillen is a 7th dman on treu contenders but on this team he was excelling at those things I just mentioned….He thru a hip check like Andy Sutton but with a fraction of his size which kind of helped him get low on guys and flip them over…I miss that part of his and Andys game…
The only thing you can place responsibility on Garth for
is not getting a top 4 defenceman as a UFA.
Please note that I said “place responsibility for” as in, “He’s the Captain and ultimately responsible for everything that goes on here”, and not as in, “He’s to blame”. The high end UFAs didn’t want to sign. That’s not his fault. I like that there has been no panicked overreaction.
Had he gone all Milbury on the prospects and we’d been forced to blow it all up again in to years after a series of bad playoff losses, we’d be screaming for his head, and rightfully so. The team took a hit last year and underperformed. We started poorly this season, but ultimately are right now pretty much what we said we were going to be: a team that can win any given night. We’re still very young at the core and a couple of years away. I’m not distraught that they came up flat in the home of one of the top 2-3 teams at home in the League. It happens. No big deal. I suspect we may see it more than we’d like over the next 6 weeks.
We need secondary scoring and defense
EVERY body needs secondary scoring and defence. When you can’t find it lying on the side of the road, you have to grow it. That takes time. If we’re still here in 2014-15, then we’ll talk about Garth’s head.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Feb 17, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't think this team is performing the way I expected...
We started poorly this season, but ultimately are right now pretty much what we said we were going to be: a team that can win any given night
I expected this team to have at least 2 strong lines…I expected the defense to be an issue but I did not expect them to be 30th in goals scored…I did not expect this team to win on the backs of John Tavares and Nabby….Lets face it… Without Nabby stealing games, this team is not an NHLs version of 500 team…Monty was good and kept us in games but Nabbys been stellar and has been helping us win games we probably shouldn’t have…IMHO, this team was fun to watch in the 2nd half of last year…This whole season they have been boring to watch or even frustrating to watch…Even when they win, they are not that exciting young team I was looking so forward to seeing this year…I really was looking forward to more of what we saw in last yrs 2nd half…This is MY OPINION...
I think some players took steps forwards and some took steps back......
Tavares’ took a huge step forward and goaltending for the most part has been a strength this season. I think Okposo, Streit and Grabner took steps back. So this is all kind of balancing each other out and preventing us from being a better team. We are better than last year, but after that huge losing streak from last year, how can you not be better? We just have no consistency and i still hate our coach. I still dont know what kind of system we play.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 17, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I want to support Cappy so much...
But he baffles me….I wonder if he’s a YES MAN…Does he play certain guys because the GM is making him or is he playing these guys because he wants too? Garik keeps complaining that Grabs isn’t being utilized on the PK as much as last yr as well…Either way we need a coach with brains and balls
He's been discussed at lengths here.......
so i dont want to start another Capuano discussion. IMO, hes been better, but its obvious he’s learning on the job. I think we need a proven, well structured guy for the position if we really want to make strides, but like I’ve said in the past, I dont know who that is.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 17, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
also...
just wanted to add that i dont think replacing him at this juncture is the answer either. If he’s not replaced by a well respected guy @ the league with a winning pedigree we will just be perceived as a 3 ring circus again to outsiders.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 17, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
If your concerns were true the Isles would be relegated to the ECHL
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 17, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
lol, rec'd
u have to ask yourself, tho….What NHL coach, in their right mind, who makes their own coaching decisions, would give a guy like Rolston, ice time? I’m not gonna beat this dead horse anymore…But this also begs the question: is Cappy be using him because he is being told he has too"? If he doing so out of his own free will then he is the worst coach in NHL history…If he’s doing is because the GM or the owner is making him then we have far bigger problems…
I think his contract plays a part.
We saw Rick DiPietro already have more than his fair share of chances in the NHL because of his contract. Perhaps it’s a similar situation with Rolston? In other words, I don’t think Rolston would have gotten this many chances to prove he deserves ice time if he was only making $1 million this season. It’s hard to pin the blame entirely on Cappy.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 18, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree with allowing guys to play just because of the $$$ they make...
This is not how to build a culture of winning and competition within..
It's a fair point
Coming out of his second half last season, Rolston looked like he had something left in the tank. I think Cappy and the coaching staff was running him out there to get him going. He had the concussion, and when he came back they gave him another extended run. Who knows, they may have been trying to audition him for contenders who could use that “veteran PP QB” forward and wouldn’t mind the cap hit since he was UFA after the season. Unfortunately, he flunked the audition.
You could easily argue that it was too much and he should have been demoted or scratched. Possibly if Ullstrom hadn’t been hurt, he would have stayed around and Rolston would have been squeezed out.
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by mikb on Feb 18, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Quite frankly they were even worse last year
I really was looking forward to more of what we saw in last yrs 2nd half…
I think that is what we are currently seeing. They were SOOOO bad to start the season we actually believed that being 18th best in the league over thre month period was cause to rejoice. At no point were they a playoff calibre team last season either.
At no point were they a playoff calibre team last season either.
If u read my post I said I was looking for more of what we saw for the 2nd half of last season….When we had Grabs scoring on the 2nd line we looked really good…
Okay, I get what you’re saying now, you were looking for the style of play and better results from the second line, not necessarily the results. Because even with Grabs going full bore, they weren’t a playoff team in the second half either.
Every time Mike Mottau plays defense, a snow angel gets its wings.
They were exciting and fun to watch for at least half a season...
They seemed to be coming to their own under Cappy…This year they got old & boring, IMHO
The team has put itself in this position for the second year in a row.
Last year 21 game non-winning streak, result: play catch up the rest of the year.
This year the same but not as bad.
No team, unless you have Bossy, LeFleur, and Orr can make up so much lost ground after a loosing streak like this team has experienced.
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by Russel Ginart on Feb 17, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
DITO!
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by Russel Ginart on Feb 17, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I want to believe but..
Montoya looked helpless on some goals. He didn’t move, looked like the shoot out performance during his last start. looks like he is still concussed or been watching DP on film.
First line still skates too long. If they are on the ice and a penalty is called against opponent. They should sit the first half of power play and rest. often they are winded before it starts.
Wishart did not look ready.
Ness looks better, each game.
Reasoner makes wallace look good.
That was my concern on Montoya
I know there isn’t much you can do on deflections, but he wasn’t battling to see the puck…and he wasn’t moving much, so I’m assuming he never saw it. Even when he did move, it was like he was guessing. And he definitely wasn’t getting his stick down to protect the five hole.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 17, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
All of this
And yes, on the deflections his timing was off, delayed, too late. One or two, that happens — even on Nabby’s best days — but you could see on those and even with some awkward saves that he’s just not in form. I wonder if that is one of the things keeping him out lately, too (Capuano says he talks to the other coaches on the decisions … maybe they’ve seen the same things in practice.)
Ah, goalies.
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Ness if fun to watch
He sure zips around the ice.
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by ToddMclellan'shair on Feb 17, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
But I thought Wishart's call-up answered all of the questions!?
Or so it seems reading the comments here (before his game). It was a bad game all around. With more practice, Wishart and Montoya will look better.
Reasoner is so blah. He barely hits, he doesn’t score and seems to be out there for a lot of goals against. No thanks.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
What I saw...
1. They are not finishing checks consistently. i like the fact that they are using theiir sticks more effectively than ever before, but they are using their bodies less as a result. They need to do both. They are too small to physically dominate, but they are not too small to make battles more physically balanced.
2. Too many weak clearing attempts. It’s as if they don’t have a specific plan B, or EMERGENCY EXIT. If the wing isn’t available to skate the puck out, or there isn’t a forward in the hi slot to get the puck to, a half hearted backand through the middle of the ice is what results. FLING THAT THING! An icing is much better than being hemmed in with opposition control for another 15 seconds.
3. Holes under pressure. Much like a balloon when it is blown up to where the membrane is expanded, holes are exposed… or if the hole is introduced at this point the balloon explodes. That’s the way I see the Islanders mounting an offensive surge. The puck is passed until it reaches the HOLE… then the air escapes. They have to get rid of the holes.
I really don’t think I need to say who the two biggest holes are.
4. If you’re going to win next year, let’s finish this year, and start working on next year. Who is going to be here next year, and who isn’t. If you can start replacing the goners with the comers the end of 2011-12 will be a lot more exciting.
All of these things come down to a few changes over the next few weeks that will determine whether this team is worth following until the draft.
1. Please… no more Brian Rolston or Jay Pandolfo. I know they make the coaches happy because they have a generational cohesion or something… but younger players need to be learning how to play two way games, and that’s what coaches are for. What is being learned from watching Rolston fire the puck as soon as he gets it, or watching pandolfo take all of your work and weakly pushing it into the core of the goaltender’s pads… or wide.
2. Please… Steve staios is a warrior. I have no problems with the guy’s effort, but it’s really time to see if Wishart can contribute.
3. Ness is really surprising me in a positive way, but needs more AHL time to get some grit in his game. He looks good out there with the puck, but is still physically intimidated. It was the same problem we had with Gervais and Campoli. As soon as Meyer and Hillen started to push back, they were released. Macdonald is almost there, but they don’t need any more defensemen in the NHL that can be moved off the puck with relative ease. Ness needs to go back to the AHL, but he can go back with a plan.
4. Cut the crap with Ullstrom and Rhett. They need to be in the mix instead of Rolston and Pandolfo. If either of the latter are on the team next year I’m not watching, you’ve waived the white flag before the battle has begun… and next year starts SATURDAY!
This is what I want to see:
Moulson-tavares-Okposo
Ullstrom-Bailey-Parentau
grabner-Nielsen-Nierderreitter
Martin-Reasoner-Rakhshani
Waive Rolston to BPT so he can show them HOW TO WIN.
Pandolfo can stick around. I wouldn’t mind him being the guy who plays when Cappy wants to send a message.
I also want to see Haley replace reasoner for all divisional games. ALL. Waivers may be required to send him back, so DON’T. make sure there’s healthy scratch room for him when he’s not playing. I bet if he was on the roster he might surprise and earn a permanent spot as the fourth line center or RW. FANS don’t want to see Jay Pandolfo!
Macdonald-Hamonic (as soon as that is possible)Ness until it is. But I’d prefer Donovan.
Streit-Wishart (until they acquire a RH top four defender to fill this role)
Eaton-Jurcina (only one of them should be back next year)
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by JPinVA on Feb 17, 2012 8:47 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Agree with your points
But not the line combos. The KO as a first liner experiment should be over. He can’t finish and seems to lack a plan with the puck. Too often he makes the blind pass or simply looses control by trying to do to much. IMO I’d trade him for a defenseman in a heartbeat.
I can see this a lot of ways..
but in the organizational approach it’s a matter of having adequate talent to support each smaller sub-group.
Team 1
tavares… what can’t he do?
Moulson.. utilizes space created, and gets pucks to the net.
Okposo… he’s got to carry the mail, create turnovers in the D zone, and use his strength to obtain and retain possession in the offensive zone.
Team 2
Bailey… he needs to be a jack of all trades, even if takes some more time to master one. Bailey has shown that he can handle the puck, distribute it, and shoot it with above average skills… but none of these skills are what we might call “outstanding”. He also is not tavares/okposo when it comes to possession. But the aggregate of his skills should make him the number two OFFENSIVE center.
Ullstrom… David Ullstrom is going to be a goal scorer in the NHL. He can skate with it, he uses his size to obtain and retain possession, and he can skate. He will be the second line Matt Moulson because he knows how to utilize space and get pucks to the net.
Parentau… PA is a pass first, shoot second guy, who can carry the mail and has a very good sense of what is going on around him. Those are the skills of an NHL playmaker. He’s the second best one we have… he needs to be on a line that can help him by creating space, getting to it, and putting the puck on the net.
TEAM 3
Nielsen. frans is first an foremost the gatekeeper of the defensive zone. He is there to defend against speedy entrance to that zone, or entrance with confidence. He does his job superbly. By doing this, Frans is a turnover factory. this is the number one way this line should be creating offense.
Grabner. Grabner is not much when he is stationary. But when in motion he is one of the most dangerous forwards in the league. He doesn’t need to get to space and have somebody find him (parentau) he needs to be given the puck and allowed to dominate his opponents with speed. turnovers are the best way to do that, and this is why he needs to be with Frans.
Nino… nino needs support. With support will come confidence, with confidence will come productivity. Nino will work well with frans und Grabs because they don’t need him to catching the stray cats… they will need him in the offensive zone with Grabner, and Nielsen after the initial break out is unsuccessful. Nino needs to be the guy that trails the play, and swallows up rebounds or helps turn the afterglow into a deep cycle until he can get a shot off. One of themost impressive of nino’s skills is that he can get a powerful shot off from aqkward spots. You don’t see that too often when you’re playing with jay Pandolfo or tim Wallace. You’ll see a lot of it when defenders let are in emergency mode becauese they let grabner slip through the cracks, or nielsen has just stolen the buck at the redline.
Team 4
Reasoner: Marty was brought here to improve the offensive profile of the fourth line… then he was given Jay pandolfo and a rookie as his linemates. Marty reasoner is better than he has played, and once he is put in a consistent role with competent players we will reap the benefits of the dynamic that was intended in the off-season.
Rhett Rakhshani: Rhett is ready for a fourth line role. He should be part of a team that wins face-offs, applies an aggressive forecheck, and wears down the opposition. he will do it with speed and tenacity. he can also put the puck in the net.
Matt Martin: this is not intended as a demotion. Matt has played very good hockey in a third line role, but that third line needs to be the second line, and he just doesn’t have the offensive upside right now to be productive at that level. This is an upgrade of the fourth line to a 3B line. this is what they needed from game 1, shift 1. Matt Martin brings the physical side of the game, but he also knows how to utilize time and space in the “dirty areas”. This line will be more in line with their individual expectations when used on the PK as well. Martin has been a very good partner with bailey on the PK, maybe that needs to shift to a Martin – reasoner combo.
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Excellent summary
But I think you are selling Matt Martin a bit short. I think he may have more upside than “physical fourth liner”. Here’s what I propose, with the idea that we should leave Bridgeport alone to get some good playoff experience:
JT – Moulson – PAP
KO – Bailey – Martin
Frans – Grabs – Nino
Reasoner – Pandolfo – Wallace
Send KO to Bailey’s line where he can drive possession and maybe finish some of the pucks that martin digs out of the corner. Send Nino to FNGO, where they can cover for his defensive lapses as he learns. Send PAP back to JT’s line for the rest of the season.
And send Rolston to the nearest golf course where he can retire in comfort.
Matt Martin
I know it may appear I’m selling him short. But he’s a 22 year old that can excell at one role, and add value to it, or be somewhat ineffective at a greater role.
When i think in the now, I’d like him to excell and move forward, rather than struggle through something he is borderline competent at in this stage of his career.
Why i would think Ullstrom is better equipped for that role is because he has been groomed for it for a longer period, and it is the role which he MUST excel in to be at his highest level. If he performs like Martin on bailey’s left wing all we’ve done is reproduce bergenhiem three years after the fact.
As far as Bridgeport making the playoffs… I’d like to see it, but if that’s Garth Snow’s number one priority he should be fired tomorrow. These guys need to play together in an NHL environment. Management needs to observe this, take inventory of what they have and use that to drive their off season acquisitions. If BPT has a nice playoff run, but the Islanders go through the end of the season still asking the same questions… big whoop.
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A good organization knows how to scout themselves...
These guys need to play together in an NHL environment. Management needs to observe this, take inventory of what they have and use that to drive their off season acquisitions.
Micheal Kay on ESPN radio was talking about how the Yankees hire scouts to scout their teams as if they are working for someone else to get an honest assessment of what they have and we’re their at…I immediately thought about the Isles…I don’t think Garth did a good job at scouting his own team in the off season…
With that being said, I would prefer you (JPinVA) to be the coach at this point…I have a hard time arguing with any of your ideas…I do think Martin can be better than a 4th liner tho…Maybe he can be a guy that moves around here and there…When one of the 2nd or 3rd lines go cold u insert him in there to give it a new look and some balls…So he can still get a chance to play offense…
This may be the first time JPinVA is accused of selling Martin short
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You mean selling the worst player in the NHL last season short.
Time for him to trade in that 17 jersey.
Same number as Lin-sanity
I’d keep it – maybe that mojo can rub off.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 17, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, but that was last season
He’s made great progress this season – better rink vision, picks his spots for hits better, better skating. All I’m saying is let’s see if he continues to progress with more minutes on a line with KO and Bailey. If not, then he goes back to the fourth line where he will do very well.
Martin?
you mean the hits leader iin the NHL?
I’d put him on the 2nd line pronto – might even try him with JT & MM
oh, he’s not a veteran
clock is ticking on Capuano and his odd line loyalties – ticking fast
I highly doubt this is the case...
clock is ticking on Capuano and his odd line loyalties – ticking fast
Matt Martin was the worst player in the NHL last season?
I know he wasnt Steve Stamkos, lol…Were u being serious here? He was a 4th liner just learning the ropes and he wasnt all bad last year If I remember correctly…He kept it simple, banged bodies, and defended his team mates…He did what was expected of him just fine, last year, IMHO…He even started to show flashes of what he has become today…Maybe you guys are basing this on those fancy CORSI stats, mumbo jumbo…
You missd the sarcasm, JPinVA hsa been his biggest fan
and the fan post last year basically equated him to the worsy player on the team. Neither actaully said what has often been quoted, JP thinks he has potential and the fan post stated he is young and has a lot to learn.
KO21, you’re on these thread enough, that I was sure you’ve seen these debates before.
Every time Mike Mottau plays defense, a snow angel gets its wings.
I must've missed this debate about Matt Martin...
If I understood the sarcasm I wouldn’t have asked if he was serious…
Martin Short? is he NOT a comedian?
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by Russel Ginart on Feb 17, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes!
I’m a big fan. He fits into my criteria for my church of latter day Islander Saints.
Aucoin, Scatchard, Cairns, Sillinger, Blake, JT and the patron saint of puck distribution (to little girls) trevor gillies.
Matt Martin is the LDIS’s St. Michael!
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The only thing I would change here is trade one of Eaton or Jurcina
Especially if only one should be back. The trades we saw yesterday point to a sellers market. We would get something back for one of these guys.
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
I wouldn't have a problem with that...
but you really don’t have the depth to get rid of them both, and deal with injuries for the rest of the season. Neither of them can be counted on for the full 25 as it is.
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Physical battles
They are too small to physically dominate, but they are not too small to make battles more physically balanced.
Agree with the general assessment, and noticed it last night.
It’s funny, watching a game where you care for both teams — felt like Mr. Staal watching Rangers-Canes or something — one of the things you think of is, “I hope nobody douche-injures somebody and makes me hate someone I don’t want to hate.” I wanted more physical battle from the Isles, but I didn’t want it to get out of hand because the Blues have some tough bastards who will win that war if it escalates like NYI-LAK did.
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Last night was the first time I wished Staois was in front of the net.
Wishart looked confused. I saw why Reese and Ness were called first, I hope it was a one game thing.
The breakout still seems to go from the corner to the defender in the slot and then backhanded up the middle. Aren’t these the two places the puck should NOT go?
The path to the net was unimpeded. If Staois and Eaton are pylons, they are at least posted in the correct position.
Ness has looked much better than I had hoped.
I don’t even recall if Streit and Jurcina played last night, was it that bad or was I so disengaged.
I hope it was a one-game thing too
The first few looks at Wishart last night I thought, “Ugh. I get it now.” but I tried to mellow that with whatever jitters and “oh by the way, you’re playing now” type of factors.
Jurcina was … out there.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
My first impression of Wishart was,
“where the hell is he?” as what I percieved to be his man came through the slot without a shadow, and streit on the other side of the net engaged with his check. Then I saw that eaton was out there with Streit. He must have gotten stuck out there, or Streit got stuck… i wasn’t paying attention to the order.
But it made me start looking at what Wishart was doing when I could. Definitely softer than Staios, and much better skating with and distributing the puck. Which is exactly what the sources from BPT said was NOT the case.
What were your impressions watching the full sheet?
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Poor AMac
That was not a pretty sight.
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I hate being a smallish team that can be pushed around...
I truly would rather be the opposite way around…What is Garth trying to build? Is it supposed to be a team that sacrifices size for speed & skill? If that’s the case shouldn’t we have a more aggressive system? Cappy has instilled the boring trap system…I feel like we’re turning into the Devils…
I like the forechecking system.
I’m not an expert, but it seems the Isles pressure quickly when they can. And when they can’t get quick pressure on the puck, they back off. (Good teams should be able to beat a late forecheck nearly every time.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 18, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Agree JP especially on
1 and 2. When the Isles are doing that, I know they are in trouble. Those are my 2 biggest consistent problems with the team.
Agreed, but...
…I don’t know how much better icing the puck is than weak clearing attempts. It allows the other team to change, and the faceoff is right down Isles’ throats. (Sure, it’s better than a clearing attempt that leads to a wind-up in the slot.)
I think part of the problem is the Isles are often much smaller than the opponents, especially with Hamonic out. (And Hamonic is probably the best at skating/passing the puck out of the zone.) Add to this that certain players (even ones not named Rolston) don’t know what to do with the puck under pressure.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, he does.
I think he says a quick prayer before each of his passes. I know I do.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 18, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
pretty much agree here....
I’ve noticed the horrible clearing attempts pretty much being made all season. Always seems to bite them in the ass. The lack of body checks tends for me to assume that this teams compete level is not where it should be. For the 1st quarter of the season i believe this was the case, but now i cant really say that they are not competing, but they do need to play with more of a physical edge to be effective. Outside of Martin and Hamonic there is not 1 player on the team who goes out of their way to throw a body check. Im talking about some hits with authority. Hit like you mean it. This isnt a meaningless stat or part of the game. Teams will change their approach if there’s constant physical pressure on them.
I like what ive seen from Ness, but dont think hes ready yet. I notice him losing a decent # of defensive assignments that have come back to haunt us.
I like the lines, but i havent seen enough of Ullstrom to really make my own judgement on his game. Anything is better than Rolston though. Id rather play a man short than have him on the ice.
Really, IMO Rolston, Reasoner and Pandolfo are all just dead weight. Haley can have more of an impact on a game in half the ice team that these guys get.
Outside of PA we have guys in bridgeport who can step in and provide atleast what Rolston, Reasoner, Pandolfo, Staois and Eaton provide. So if we can get anything for them i would move them. I dont think that would send a we’re giving up message to the team. If anything it will inject some bodies with a pulse into the lineup.
by LaFontaine16 on Feb 17, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
A very astute observation...
Id rather play a man short than have him[Brian Rolston] on the ice.
Bailey’s last two goals were on a line with Matt martin where they were killing a penalty. So somebody else definitely agrees.
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YUP
When Rolston was out…Bailey looked his best all season…He even was one of our best forwards in one of those games…But back came Oldston…Bailey has been invisible since then except on the PK…GO FUCKIN FIGURE!!
I agree with this.
And we saw a noticeable improvement in Bailey’s game after Isles traded Comeau. (And also in Okposo’s game— that was before he was on the top line.)
Bailey played much of his best hockey this season with Ullstrom on his wing.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 18, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
what does that tell us?
Cappy is wasting screwing with Bailey…why is it that this guy can never get to play w good guys and build chemistry?
Five games into the kid's career
Calm down on Ness a bit. Wishart, well, if he’s a cheaper younger Juice, a 6/7 guy, then so be it.
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and enough with Rakhshani
the guy is what 25? Ullstrom should come up when he’s ready – probably Haley as well for, you know TEH GRITZ
Rakh? eh
Just a general question:
What is more important right now?
Bringing up some kids from BPT to see how they can hang for the rest of the season?
or
Letting those kids stay in BPT to see how far they can make it through the AHL playoffs?
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Feb 17, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions
I'd go with the latter
Maybe instilling some “winning culture” into to some of the youth will pay dividends in the future
Still feels weird cheering for Nabokov
For my money, I choose B.
Even after last night, the Islanders are what they are: a very flawed team of young guys, mid range pros, and old bastards (some of whom are OK). Spotty offense, awful defense. They go where Nabokov takes them. Bringing up a player or two from Bridgeport, while exciting and enticing to fans, probably isn’t going to amount to much.
Meanwhile, the Sound Tigers have played extraordinarily well since the new year. Maybe they go to playoffs, maybe they don’t. But I think the act of them playing well as a unit down there is as important as anything the Islanders will do.
Again, that’s just for me. It’s probably a good thing I’m not the GM. But I think the next time we “see what the kids can do with the big club” is in training camp.
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Probably a bit of both
I’d like to see some short stints for all of the contenders from BP, but I’d like them to keep the bulk of the team together down there so BP can ensure making the playoffs.
I lke this one
Letting those kids stay in BPT to see how far they can make it through the AHL playoffs?
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Feb 17, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely getting NHL experience for me.
I am talking mainly about Ullstrom and Rhett. Those two need to be playing in the NHL. Ullstrom should be forming continuity with Bailey. Rhett shold be getting experience and basically auditioning for an 82 game job as a bottom six RW.
NO MORE PANDOLFO AND ROLSTON.
Not only that, giving two-ways the extra $$$ will help them mentally over the summer. they can go back for the last 5-10 games and the playoffs… thompson has enough to get that team to the playoffs without those two. His defense maturing is the key part of that teams drive. As a matter of fact I’d give him back Ness for the run as soon as Hamonic is back with the Isles.
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B for me
A playoff run for them, since it isn’t happening up here. But I assume that’s why they have stopgaps from the vet bargain bin anyway.
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Consolation Rationalization
You can’t use this as a rationalization in february…
But I assume that’s why they have stopgaps from the vet bargain bin anyway.
unless you are willing to accept it as an admission of failure in OCTOBER!
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I didn’t want to see those guys in October, I don’t want to see them now, and i definitely don’t want to see them next October. Eaton, Mottau, Staios, Jurcina are all stop gaps.. but what are they stopping and in what gap. I don’t like it, but I understand that the organization has a huge hole.
But Rolston and Pandolfo were just a huge waste of everybody’s time.
By stating that they helped win games early while Rhett was hurt, and Ullstrom was a possible question mark is absurd in hindsight. one word… NOVEMBER!
Haley should have been in the opening night lineup instead of Pandolfo, and you know where I think Rolston should have been on opeing night. that would have left a pool of Hunter, Ullstrom, Dibo or colliton to fill out hte NHL Roster.
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by JPinVA on Feb 17, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The problem is that the issue wasn't properly addressed in October..
and gutting BPT now to address an October issue for a season that is nearing the end is not the right way to manage the team.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
gutting bridgeport?
really? Bridgeport?… the place where 2000 people gather to stay out of downtown bridgeport every couple of nights… “gutting” that team is important to the mother club because why, exactly?
Because it is important that they make a playoff run? That team is humming… they were winning when Ullstrom was in the NHL and when he was hurt. They won before Rhett got off the DL, they won with Rhett in the NHL. The key to the AHL AFFILIATE winning is coaching, defense, and goaltending. There is enough young veteran talent, and a rookies named casey cizikas, matt donovan and aaron ness that can give their competition all they can handle.
We need to be concerned about what this team… you know, the Islanders… the team we’ve followed in DISGUST for almost 20 years is doing to prep for 2012-13. I don’t want them to start off with another october and november from hell… so that’s where i want to begin.
I couldn’t give a rat’s ass if Bridgeport can’t win without David Ullstrom or Rhett Rakhshani, and neither should Garth Snow.
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by JPinVA on Feb 17, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think there is some value to Cizikas, Ness, Donovan, Poulin, de Haan, etc. playing AHL playoff hockey
But if Isles can take care of some “rookie mistakes” now rather than October (and allow players to mesh before next season), I agree that should take precedence.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah quick...
before he proves once and for all that my opinion is worthless.
Because I think you completely missed what NDRE was saying.
To be honest. I didn’t see a guy who sucked last night. I saw a guy who played 18 NHL minutes in a 5-1 whitewash with a 0 rating.
He may not be Bobby Orr, but he’s no Mike Mottau either.
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what's the word I'm looking for
sucks? (absolute bottom feeder on CORSI last night if that means anything)
my problem with him is he is Jurcina’s twin from a defensive standpoint
he retains potential – where best to learn that? not while we still have a sniff of the playoffs
maybe he’ll learn one day – I’m still waiting
exactly!
The guys you mention, except for poulin, are AHL Rookies… I don’t want any of them anyway. And they can even have the vets back if they make the playoffs.
It just shouldn’t be considered when you are telling kids who earned a shot last year but got screwed by injuries and the signing of cronies (with cap gaps, or just straight out cap weight), “stay in the AHL because we want you to play more improtant hockey against inferior competition for less money…sorry, no reward this year either.”
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Im not tired of hearing it...
Im tired of the situation which causes us to keep talking about it…
B.
Because the Islanders don’t have the necessary ammo to instill that culture with less than two months left in the season.
Garth is not waiving Rolston, Pandolfo or Reasoner, so yelling about it is not worth the effort.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
Did Moulson ever come back out last night after he was hit in the hand by Rolstons shot from the point??
by The boogieman on Feb 17, 2012 9:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
yes.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
It's nice to have at least one player on the team not made of glass
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by Anarcurt on Feb 17, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was really glad to see it, myself. I dont want to even imagine this current team without Matty.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
For the Time Warner people
Apparently Jeremy Lin might end your long personal nightmare, because there’s about to be a

I’ve been going to the post to see their ridiculous Lin headlines. This one has taken the cake so far:

oh come on.
I totally understand all this stuff with his name but his race, now? WTF?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I know
I know the Post has zero conscience, but you wonder if even they questioned this one.
by afrosupreme on Feb 17, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, what?
Who am asian? Dumb copyeditors.
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by mikb on Feb 17, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Perfect.
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Lin doesn't seem phased by it, so I am going to skip the mock outrage.
They recognized his race, which I know we are not supposed to do, but for the Post at least , they didn’t use a derogatory term and were trying to make a play on the Mets.
Hard for me to get too worked up about stuff like this since I can’t recall the last time someone heard my italian last name, place of origin Brooklyn and didn’t make a connected to the mob “joke”. Forget about the german half and the colonel klink accent.
Rupert is stoked!
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Now THAT is offensive.
Every time Mike Mottau plays defense, a snow angel gets its wings.
Well, OK then
Someone missed the ENTIRE POINT of Blazing Saddles.
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What the fuck, man?
What is with this stupidness?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 19, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
That was just a little bit inappropriate, lol...
It must’ve been an rogue employee or something who works for ESPN and who is obviously a racist…
Id totally agree- except that this isnt even the first time they have used this same joke
In that article it describes how ESPN used that same phrase to describe a game that was held in China.
Its ridiculous.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 19, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
"joke" should be in sarcasm font.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 19, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I can't believe that...
Is ESPN used the “N” word the whole world would be up in arms…But they can use a racist word for an asian or Chinese guy and its not really that big of a deal?
I heard on the news this AM that they apologized.
I guess thats supposed to make it okey dokey?
What I want to know is, whoever made this stupid decision- again- do they still have a job? And if so, why? What use are they?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 20, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
AGREE: OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
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by Russel Ginart on Feb 17, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
i love it...
i just hate ESPN for overkilling it.
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On Montoya (and all goalies for that matter)
It was a different sport at a level that’s probably about 15 levels away from what these professional athletes are dealing with..
But I was a soccer goalie most of my life up until high school. When I got to high school I had to split halves with another guy (i.e. playing less) In general, I felt that my game lacked just b/c I wasn’t getting as much game action… but when it was my turn to come in in the 2nd half.. it really was pretty difficult to maintain mental focus for the 1st half not playing and then being thrown into it.
Now I know these are professional athletes and they are paid to play the game so I am a little less forgiving, but you gotta think Montoya found out maybe an hour before the game that he was playing.. all that on top of that he hasn’t been playing much lately.. gotta be tough to stay mentally sharp.
When you are an NHL backup, you are supposed to be ready to go whenever your team needs you b/c your #1 guy can’t go.. but I think the timing of it definitely threw it off… I’d be much less forgiving if it was Montoya’s day to start all day yesterday and not just at the one hour before puck-drop moment.
by BaltimoreIslander on Feb 17, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions
I think the weeks without any solid action had more of an impact then the timing of the lineup switch
Same thing happened when Poulin was recalled and sat on the bench for two weeks before finally getting a shot. He was rusty and it showed.
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I think there is definitely something to this
And it is talked about among pros, too. It depends on the goalie, I think.
I know that Goalie Guild guy (who uses a little too much psychological voodoo and “you can see his confidence increase after that save” type of speculation, but still) says Montoya is one who really needs regular work to excel. If that explains his AHL stats, it might also explain what we have in him here.
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What makes a back-up a different type of goaltender than a starter
I am not even going to comment on Montoya’s play last night.
Back-ups have the ability to come off the bench cold, but usually can’t carry a full load or they are exposed by a fundamental weakness in their games. They need to be able to thrive in the now, but may not be able to bear the burden of being the guy every night. I am trying to figure out if the small acrobatic kid or the big guy that takes up a lot of space is more adept at doing this.
Starters have the stamina to go the distance, are fundamentally sound, they may have fewer flashes of brilliance than the back-up, but less flaws to be exploited. Starters main ability is focus, that means prepping for each and every game.
A team may not be able to flourish with two starters, since the second starter alwasy suffers in teh back-up role. Last night may just have been one of those nights.
This season is success in terms of goalie management.
Especially if rusty starts hurt Montoya and Nabby (everything hurts DP so I leave him out of it). We need to understand what we have in terms of Montoya since he has less experience in the NHL. I am not comfortable naming him the starter just because he needs the reps to be solid—reminds me too much of the Joey Mac and Danis tandem.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Feb 17, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OT from Puck Daddy, possibly fanshot worthy
Some of the Islander related clips are my exact feelings right now
Why yes, I do have a man crush on Bailey and Martin, and no, I don't care what you think about it
Definitely agree with this statement re Wiz
He still loses some board battles you’d expect a man of his size to win.
And it’s puzzling. Unlike Jurcina, who categorically refuses to use his size to engage in any physical play, it does seem like Wiz is trying to do so but can’t.
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LAK put Trent Hunter on waivers.
It’s all coming full circle!
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Thanks to the NJD buyout he might actually be worth it
I wouldn’t mind claiming him and sending Wallace down (or waive Pandolfo).
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
Id rather have Trent than Rolston, too.
But we have to remember the reason behind the trade, and that was to clear things up for next season,. That part hasnt changed.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
As awful as Rolston's been...
…it will be hard to say it ended up being a bad trade, years from now, if Isles pick 3rd or 4th in this coming draft (instead of 8th or 9th without Rolston) and can figure out how to make the playoffs next season. In the rear-view mirror, I don’t think it will be viewed as a franchise-crippling trade. (I sure hope not!) It has a good chance of resulting in Isles acquiring a defenseman who is a key player 5 years from now.
Keeping Hunter could have potentially screwed up next season. (I know the odds are long on that.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
IMO, there has to be more to this trade with the Devils, then just Hunter/Cap Mule salary cap swap!
Something NOT mentioned or reported publiclly? We do the Devils a favor, WHY? Do we get a favor in return this off season? Do we get exclusive rights to negotiate with Zach Parise?
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by Russel Ginart on Feb 17, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
What else was anyone expecting?
The Devils never wanted anything other than an easier contract to buy out for the cap space. That’s it. In exchange the Isles got someone who, although wildly overpaid, had at least been a useful player the season before. And if he failed to be what he had been (and he clearly has), it helped the team get close enough to the floor to not have to rush guys like Strome or take on a long-term bad contract. Once this year is over, it’s over. The end.
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by mikb on Feb 17, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does that mean Hunter is only under contract for this season now?
If so, it may be something to consider, especially if Isles are going to trade Parenteau. (I am aware Hunter is a 4th liner now.) Add a little grit, even with the bum knee.
But it’s pretty rare for a player to return after a team basically gets rid of him because of his contract, right?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 17, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hunters contract cannot change, he has this year and next year to go on it.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he only signed 1-year deal with the Kings.
The buy-out portion is the Devil’s responsibility.
No other team is responsible for that.
true
Once he’s bought out, he just becomes UFA and anything he signs after that applies as if the buyout never happened. In this case, it’s $600,000 for this year, UFA on July 1, 2012.
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I thought it was a two year!
I just looked and youre right. Why did I think that?
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe because the bought-out deal was 2-years?
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Yeah I guess thats why- but still, I really thought they gave him a 2y deal.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 17, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
We should pick him up
And waive Rolston…or package them for Nash.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 17, 2012 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
better yet...
them plus a second should net us Komiserik!
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by JPinVA on Feb 17, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe we sign Dom
I hear he’s a tough bastard to play against in his rec league
Goal is a problem for next season if.........
1. Nabokov is either traded or signs with another team at the end of the season LIKELY
2. Montoya does not get back to the form he showed last season in a few games POSSIBLE
3. Neither Nillson or Poulin develop into #1 goalies on hopefully a play-off caliber team LIKELY
Therefore besides a trade for a first pair D, if Nabby goes we need help in Goal.
I agree with this.
But goaltending help seems to be easier to find than help on defense. There are a lot of “perhaps they could be good starter” (or 1a/1b) goalies out there. Elliot, Halak, Mike Smith, Lehtonen, Biron, Theodore, Greiss, Mason (Wpg): all of these goalies have played surprisingly well this season. Every year there is a handful of goalies who play surprisingly well. If Isles add one more candidate, chances are that one of the three (Monotya, x, or Poulin) is able to lead the way.
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