Dreger: Parenteau Shelves Contract Talks Till After Season
by Kevin Corey on Feb 15, 2012 2:16 PM EST
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As reported first by Darren Dreger of TSN.ca, it appears that P.A. Parenteau and his agent Allan Walsh would rather negotiate after the end of the season. Walsh says "he and his client don't believe it is appropriate to pursue contract discussions at this time, but will listen if the Islanders are eager to negotiate. Parenteau wants to focus on helping his team make the playoffs and would prefer to shelve contract negotiations until the end of the season."
Although this isn’t the first time we’ve heard this in sports…(Nashville’s Ryan Suter), you have to commend Parenteau and his agent for the strategy they are going with. Let’s be real here folks, P.A. is on pace for a career year in points and assists. He’s been taken off the number one line and is still producing on multiple levels. At the end of the day, this could be the last "biggest" contract Parenteau will sign in his hockey career. After that, depending on his health, everything will be short term. Now let’s not jump to conclusions and assume he’s going to bolt to the team that offers him the most ridiculous contract ever. My gut feeling is that P.A. genuinely loves Long Island and the most important quote to come out of this news release from Walsh is "He's [Parenteau] made it very clear from the outset that he's highly motivated to stay with the New York Islanders," Walsh told TSN.ca via e-mail. The Islanders gave him his first real opportunity to thrive in the NHL, he has a fantastic relationship with his teammates, the coaches, Garth Snow and the fans. Most importantly, P.A. sees the Islanders trending up and believes they will be a contending team for many years to come."
"With that being said, the Islanders are currently six points out of a playoff spot. Now is the time to play hockey, not to discuss or focus on contracts. When the season is over, I'm sure both parties will work diligently towards an agreement that will ensure a mutual long term commitment to one another" Walsh said. However, Walsh adds Parenteau's focus remains on getting a deal done with the Islanders before July 1.
Parenteau has 12 goals and 39 assists for 51 points; two points shy of equaling a career-high and is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent on July 1.
My take: Let the kid rack up points and help this team earn a playoff position. This is how sports work. He’s going to cash in and we’re lucky to be so far under the cap floor next year, I don’t think we’ll have a problem signing him. I think Garth will worry more about the length of the new deal rather then the money. After all, he did take Rolston to push his cap hit up 5 million more. I mean, there’s no way he signed him up for production, right?
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"He and his client don't believe it is appropriate to pursue contract discussions at this time, but will listen if the Islanders are eager to negotiate"
No news here. He won’t pursue them, but if Garth has an offer, he’ll listen.
As a Mets fan, this is way too similar to the Jose Reyes situation.
Mind you, if PAP leaves for free agency, it won’t be the same as Reyes ripping out my heart, but still.
I also call bullshit on this since it was, what, a week ago that Frans signed despite the fact he could’ve commanded huge $$$ on the FA market?
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Doesn't matter.
If he could bring back a first rounder, or even a second rounder, you do it. Which he should.
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Don't forget though
Picks can also be turned into players. Right now the Isles only have one additional 5th round pick for the 2012 draft. If we have a couple extras this might be a year Garth decides to move a couple of them for a player. I think the chances for that increase the more extra picks he has.
Prior to yesterday
we were drafting in the top 6. There’s a better chance we’re back to that than we make the playoffs.
That aside, I’m not even talking about moving up in the draft. I’m talking about using picks to land an NHL player.
a) Reyes wasnt offered a deal
b) Reyes has a history of hamstring problems. Why else did Miami not include a NMC? Hes gona be banged out and dumped in 2 yrs. Something tells me hes gona be a stiff. Theres alot of pork in Miami
by mdesarmo on Feb 15, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh agreed you still try to persuade PAP.....but if this IS true
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by garik16 on Feb 15, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Trade him.
That’s the end of it. Can’t afford to lose him for nothing,which we will if he reaches free agency. Get on the phones Garth.
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I'd say a 4 year $14M deal is a compromise for both, but honestly, if he leaves after the season for nothing, it may be for the best (hear me out).
Next year, our forwards look like this already guaranteed under contract:
Moulson-Tavares-Okposo
Grabner-Nielsen-X
Martin-Bailey-Niederreiter
with Reasoner, Ullstrom, Cizikas, Haley, DiBenedetto, etc. fighting for fourth line time.
If Strome and/or Kabanov are ready for top 9 playing time, there’s nowhere for them to go if PA re-signs. Now, I’m not one to rely so heavily on prospects, but Strome seems ready. He may not be ready to be a superstar yet, but he looks ready for NHL playing time. Kabanov looks ready as well, plus is older than Strome. Kabanov probably heads to Bridgeport regardless, as Strome (juniors otherwise) or PA will likely be that last top 9 forward.
They should keep him for the stretch run here, and take him at his word that he wants to be here after the season. They can always re-sign him at the draft or pre-July 1. And if he leaves? Sucks, but we have depth.
But I’m confident he won’t leave.
Trying to make the playoffs is a really stupid way to run a team?
We’re not talking about forfeiting multiple top prospects to make a run. I don’t think Parenteau is going to command that great of a return. Obviously, if some team blows Garth away, make the deal. But as long as the offers are what I’d think they’d be i.e. a pick or prospect, keep him and make a run.
by Metzfan22 on Feb 15, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As of today, the Islanders have a 4.1% chance of making the playoffs.
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Atlantic/NYIslanders.html
PAP is probably the player on the Isles most likely to bring back a good return. If they do not sign him, he will walk at the end of the season and it will have been an incredibly stupid move by the Islanders.
=d
Those odds change daily. All I know is: 6 points out, playing really well behind teams that are struggling, is not out of it.
And you’re clearly not reading the second half of Walsh’s quote, which says that the PA will listen if the Islanders are eager to negotiate. So they can still sign him before the deadline. If they don’t and some team offers a lot, OBVIOUSLY you trade him. But I’m not just dumping him for anything. I’m not trading PA for a third rounder because they couldn’t sign him if they’re 6 points out.
I will say
I think the 4.1% is partially depressed by our terrible goal differential, which is somewhat artificially inflated by the early season “strategy” of pulling the goalie early and often. But, I think that is probably offset by the almost certainty that we cannot keep up the current winning pace.
I think they can keep up the winning pace, to a degree. Hamonic will be back within a week, and regarding the schedule, while there are definitely tough games left, there are a lot of gimmies.
The Islanders had the 5th best record in the NHL in the second half of last season; no reason this team can’t prolong the winning streak into March also. And this year, the playoffs might actually be in sight if they do.
I don't know
In February they are 4-2-1 which seems great. But three of those Ws are gimmick Ws. In the old NHL we’d be 1-2-4 which seems a whole lot less good. The point being despite their recent success, it’s probably not that indicative of their play. In fact in quite a few of those games they’ve been handily outplayed. You’re only going to win so many of those over the course of the next 25 games, and it’s unlikely to be at a 2/3 pace.
Yeah
Comparing the team as they are composed now to the “old NHL” is a really fruitless endeavor. What’s the point?
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The point I'm trying to make
is that several of those wins are coin flips, meaning the record is NOT indicative of how the team is playing. It’s easy to look at that number and get excited, but the reality is they very easily could have the reverse of it. Basically, if you think they are going to continue to win at that pace, you’re probably in for a rude awakening because they aren’t playing at a high level right now.
Oh I'm sure they're not going to
The realist in me is well-aware of the upcoming competition they have, realizes that they’re still scoring about 1.9 goals per game and Jesus Christ they’re still pitching a defense with Eaton/Jurcina/Staois.
The fan in me is all YAY JT NABBY PAP YAY A WIN!
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I think most of us have those thoughts.
But a team needs to keep on the realist side.
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by garik16 on Feb 15, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course
What makes things tricky is the fact that they’re only 6 games out of a playoff spot and their schedule before the trade deadline is relatively on the winnable side. They’ve got games against St. Louis, Carolina, Buffalo, Rags, and two against the Senators. Anything can happen in those 6 games, and if they manage to go on a 5-1 run (and win the games against Ottawa, especially), then they’re holding on to the 8th spot. The realistic side says they’re not making it, yes, but when do you give up on the season? The next two weeks are going to provide the answer to that question.
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Agree
I’m the same way. This team, with JT in the playoffs, is an insanely exciting prospect for the fan in me. But I try to maintain that the fan in me will be even more excited if they keep stockpiling stuff for the future.
Really, it’s going to hurt the fan in me if they can’t resign PAP. He’d be a great guy to have going forward and it’s going to set the organization back if they can’t resign him.
As was estimated by some computer. I'm all for the statistical analysis, but personally, I think the odds are better than that.
Ottawa, Toronto, Washington, and Winnipeg are all struggling, and the Islanders will have Hamonic coming back in the next week or so. I don’t mind those odds. As a fan, I’d appreciate going for it. And I think the kids on the roster would also benefit from some meaningful games in March.
So again, for a first round pick, if he’s not signed, yes obviously trade him. But for a 2nd or 3rd rounder, that has approximately a 15% chance of playing one NHL game (I know 3rd rounders have a 12% chance, unsure about seconds), I’d rather play the odds of PA re-signing with us, which I think he will.
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by bob l on Feb 15, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec and smile-worthy
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I find it funny that you are "Metzfan22" and you are confident that PAP doesn't pull a Reyes
I hate to say it, but this sounds like a guy looking to get “his,” and you don’t usually get “yours” from Garth and co.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 15, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Again, difference between PAP and Reyes= return. Reyes would have brought back multiple top prospects. If the Islanders were offered multiple top prospects for PAP, I'd drive him myself.
How does this sound like a guy looking to get “his”? Whenever he’s been asked, he has stated how much he loves Long Island and wants to stay here for the long haul. Even now, his agent said that while they won’t initiate talks, they will listen if the Islanders initiate talks.
And how don’t you get “yours” from Garth? JT, Moulson, Okposo, Grabner all got theirs from Garth and Co., and so will PAP.
Everyone says how much they love the team they currently play for
What player and his agent wouldn’t say that? You have to take that stuff with a grain of salt.
All of the guys you mentioned were locked up for fair contracts, IMO. Almost perfectly mutually beneficial – smidge of compromise on both sides. None of those guys pulled the “we’re shelving talks until the end of the season” routine. There’s something to be said for the fact that this negotiation is going differently.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 15, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This will be easy
…he and his client don’t believe it is appropriate to pursue contract discussions at this time
I’d argue that the eagerness caveat is PR posturing, or, as I like to call it, “Reyes-ing”. I’ve said it before – I don’t begrudge PAP on this (and I didn’t for Reyes either), but I will begrudge management for not fully exploring the trade option (sadly, we’ll likely never get to learn these kinds of details, so we have to resignedly expect that they did the best they could, like I’ve done with Sandy Alderson).
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 15, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
All I'm saying is
To publicly take that position is unlike what the other signees have done, so I am less optimistic.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Feb 15, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Outside of Frans
who, you know, spent his entire career with the organization, PAP has all the leverage in his negotiations. None of the other signings had the kind of leverage that PAP had since they were RFAs, and Moulson signed in January way before the trade deadline.
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Well Moulson and Frans had similar leverage
but as we know, there are clear reasons why both of them had a built-in preference to remain with the team, which isn’t the case with PAP.
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Yet everyone panicked just like this when it came to Moulson.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
but Moulson and Frans didn’t let it get down to the wire like PAP is. The Islanders need PAP more than PAP needs the Islanders.
In fact, I’d go so far as to say that the Islanders need PAP more than they need Nielsen. As much as I love the guy, they’ve got a potential Nielsen playing lights out in Bridgeport right now while they don’t have a single player in the minors playing the way PAP is.
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There's a very clear difference
JT, Okposo, and Grabner are all much younger than PAP – they were also RFA’s when they were signed to long-term deals, so there’s less of a risk in overpaying for them since they’ll most likely be in the primes of their careers. As RFA’s, they didn’t really have much negotiating room for what they wanted, but it was clearly a sign of good faith that Garth believes in them and gave them the deals they wanted. In these cases, especially Grabner and Tavares (I’m not sold that Okposo has lived up to his contract yet), they may have given a bit of a hometown discount in order to get the longer contract length. Since PAP is UFA, he doesn’t need to do that and can stand pat on what he wants. If he wants a 4 or 5 year deal and Garth is unwilling to sign him for that long, then Garth needs to do what’s right for the team and trade him – he’s going to get what he wants on the FA market regardless.
PAP’s situation reminds me of Jason Blake every day – the Islanders were having this same discussion five years ago when they were pushing for the playoffs in 2007. Blake was going to be a UFA coming off a career year and wanted to be (over)compensated for that, yet Garth couldn’t let him go at the trade deadline since they were in the middle of a playoff push. (Unconfirmed) reports at the time had the Isles offering him 3 years/$9 million or 4 years/$12 million, yet Blake was steadfast in wanting a 5-year deal. Along comes Brian Burke, who signs him to a $20 million 5-year deal, and 5 years later he’s a third-liner on the Ducks making $4 million. Blake was saying all of the same things that PAP is saying in that he “loves Long Island and wants to stay here”, but that he “wanted to discuss his contract in the offseason so he can focus on hockey”. I’m sensing there isn’t much negotiating room from PAP’s camp – it’s “I want this $$$ and X amount of years or I’m going to test the waters.” I don’t begrudge the guy for wanting to test FA – he’s a 9th rounder who’s been in the minors forever and, against all odds, proved that he’s a PPG player in the NHL. I hope Garth comes to an agreement with him and he signs for 3 – 4 years, but if he overvalues himself, you’ve got to get something for that.
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Well said
I want to believe that PAP stays and everything works out. But if that’s the conversation they’re having, Garth should move him.
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Oh, and fuck Blake
Never liked that guy.
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PAP COULD be that kind of guy though
I figure he’s kind of like Blake in attitude, but rather than score goals, he gets assists. PAP himself is kind of a cocky guy – you can see it in his attitude on the ice, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s reflected in his conversations with Garth. He’s always jawing off to other players, goalies, and even the officials – he’s really come from the dregs of the minors and turned into a hell of an NHL player, so I can totally see where that attitude comes from.
The difference, though, is that Blake could only find offense when playing with Yashin; PAP can really create offense out of anywhere. PAP is the one guy that, if the signing turns out shitty three years down the road, I’ll feel okay with making that decision.
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Nope.
Something about him never sat well with me. I’m not saying he didn’t produce, because clearly he did. I don’t know. Just one of the few guys to have played for the Islanders that I never warmed up to.
However, I always point out the autographed no. 55 Islanders jersey hanging in GoGo Curry on 38th and 8th in NYC. They have a thing for the number 5. Great Japanese curry place.
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The last time we went through this, Blakey left and signed a massive contract with Toronto in an inflated market. PA could simply be a product of system
JT makes players around him better.
Okposo, Moulson, and PA. Point made.
Keep him no doubt. But What has Jason Blake achieved since 2007? Being bounced around and barely cracking a third line. Cant prorate a player after one good season. Look at Michael Grabner?
Yes…He does produce. But PA’s predominant point totals came on the wing aside JT on EV and the PP. How often does Pap gain points with his linemates who arnt JT and Matty-Ice? Only when he puts the puck in net himself.
His stats dictate a pay-day…but research who gains the assists on what goals and by whom. I think the nhl is also very liberal in terms to giving assists. So basing a guys upcoming contract on gained assists…is quite preposterous. Thats not to say he’s a playmaker, but we got too many prospects in the pool already. With him around another 2 to 3 if not longer…it could hurt us. He may not warrant a great return either. This isnt Rick Nash getting 2 first rounders in return mind you. People need to relax. He stays, he stays…if not…Thanks for your time on the Island PA…good luck with your future career.
I think the nhl is also very liberal in terms to giving assists. So basing a guys upcoming contract on gained assists…is quite preposterous.
Two things on this;
1. Wouldn’t everybody be included under that liberal allocation of assists and therefore, it would even out for everyone, or are you saying PAP benefits more from this system than other people?
2. Whether or not it seems preposterous to base a guys contract on assists, that’s how they do it. If the Islanders want to be ethe team that starts saying assists don’t matter, nobody will ever sign here.
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How often does Pap gain points with his linemates who arnt JT and Matty-Ice? Only when he puts the puck in net himself.
Uh…he just came off a two-point game in which he netted the game-winner AND single-handedly created the insurance goal by holding on to the puck while hemmed in in the offensive zone. This bizarre idea that “he occasionally plays with JT and MMo and therefore does not really contribute” is mind-boggling. The guy is now lined up with Frans and Grabner and STILL outperforms both of them, points-wise. Hell, he even got a point out of Rolston!
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Grabner?
Although he’s having an off season, I’m under the impression that it’s because Cappy isn’t putting him in the right situations. Grabner scored 6 of his 34 goals shorthanded last year – so why. in. FUCK. is he relegated to third-string duty on the PK?
He might also be injured, which could be the reason for his down play. He’s getting the opportunities, just not cashing them in.
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I don't see Garth not giving him a healthy contract after the season
They have the cap room and the desire.
Unless another team comes up with a ridiculous, completely batshit crazy, Scott Gomez-or-Bobby-Holik-to-the-Rangers contract, he’ll be an Islander again.
As for a trade, it all depends on his relationship with the team. If it’s good, it’s not a big deal and he signs before July 1. If he wants to play elsewhere (and it doesn’t sound like he does), he’ll walk.
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Laugh all you want; I'm not trading PA Parenteau for a 2nd or 3rd rounder if we're 6 points out. If someone makes some great offer (i.e. a first rounder or a top prospect), then you obviously make the deal.
If the offer is a 2nd or 3rd rounder, I’d rather play the odds that PA re-signs with us than play the odds that that draft pick ever becomes anything, which the vast majority of second or third rounders do not, and try to go for it this year.
Please answer me this.
Being generous, 9 times out of 10 we miss the playoffs. If we lose PAP after missing the playoffs…..how is that helpful?
There comes a point when you have to get what you can for your assets. It seems like a sucky decision, but it HAS to be made.
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I think the benefit of that 1 out of 10, plus the experience of playing important games in playoff atmospheres being important for the kids on the roster, mitigates that damage.
Plus, PAP has stated so many times that he loves Long Island and wants to be here; he has also said here that while he will not initiate contract talks, he will listen if the Islanders want to talk.
Again, if we’re offered a first rounder while PAP is not signed and we’re still 6-10 points out at the deadline, obv. make the deal. But for a draft pick that has less than 1/5 chance to even play one NHL game? I’d rather go for it.
Let me watch meaningful hockey
I had high expectations for this season to begin with so I think the front office owes it to the fans to make a run at the playoffs and not deal Nabby/PA. If they miss the playoffs I will at least be thankful to watch meaningful hockey deep into march.
Maybe that’s shortsighted and the isles are a long shot but I watch sports with the standpoint that anything can happen if it is within reason. At 6 points out with a lot of hockey to play, I don’t think its unreasonable that the Isles can make the playoffs even if probability is stacked against it.
No one thought the giants could go from 7-7, run through the mighty Packers at Lambeau and win the superbowl. What I love most about watching sports is that anything can happen.
Take em to the jabrone-zone
by IslesJabronie on Feb 15, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There is no such thing as a too crowded farm system.
Picks come up and they either pan out or they don’t, and you can always trade extra top prospects for actual players. A large supply of good cheap young talent is NEVER a bad thing.
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See, this whole thing makes my head hurt
If you take the Walsh Edict at face value, there’s little to worry about. If you think he’s lying through his teeth (he is an agent, after all), then Parenteau needs to move now. The truth is most likely somewhere in the middle, which means a lot of lost sleep (and work hours chatting here). I’m sure PAP wants to stay. He also wants a fuckload of money, too.
The worst part is that, the Islanders March schedule is a gauntlet. And they need to make the decision before that. I don’t think they’re making the playoffs, but I’d like to see them make a run just for the psychological effect. I also don’t want to lose PAP for the future either. Maybe it’s a play by Walsh to get it done before the deadline.
Ugh.
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What matters...
P.A. logging the ice time he does and putting up points gives us the chance to keep guys down and let them develop. I still question why Nino isn’t in Juniors this year. Obviously it was a cap move. My point is, we have a lot of potential in our draft picks…let them develop since we have “certain” guys we can rely on right now. Obviously the real question here is, what do we do with Bailey, Okposo, Reasoner, and DiPietro. Parenteau has solidified his name as part of the core.
Unfortunately
the only certain guys the Isles can rely on are Tavares, Moulson and Parenteau. The rest of them can’t score worth shit, and the Islanders can’t rely on three players to provide all of their offense.
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The accuracy of this statement gives me a sad.
=d
by AP77 on Feb 15, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jesus
Imagine the offense without Parenteau? That would make for some terrible hockey in March and April.
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by Fabtraption on Feb 15, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
Which is why Parenteau needs to stay. Time to sh*t or get off the pot with some of these other guys….we need a legitimate second line.
by Kevin Corey on Feb 15, 2012 2:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
5th Most Assists in the league
I say do not let him walk if he’s willing to take a fair contract. The Isles still struggle to attract FAs and 40+ assists is hard to replace. Losing him would not only remove a solid player from “the core” but would impact JT , MM, Grabs and Franz’s production negatively as well. PEAY DAT MEAAAN HEEZ MONEY (Teddy KGB voice).
Take em to the jabrone-zone
Here's the thing....IF HE WILL TAKE A FAIR CONTRACT.
But Parenteau is different than Frans and MM.
MM got his only real chance here and was friends with Tavares.
Frans has spent his whole career with this team.
Parenteau HAS other NHL experience. He has spent time on other teams, and the Rangers DID give him a shot – 22 games is not nothing. He has little tying him here and this could be his ONLY chance to cash out. And so he might just go to the highest bidder, who isn’t the Isles.
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For the record
Moulson had two more NHL games under his belt than Parenteau did before they came to the Isles.
I agree the Tavares friendship helped a lot with Moulson, but I don’t think PAP’s experiences elsewhere was any different, not will they play a role in his decision.
I do think he ends up wanting to see what he can get in the UFA frenzy after seeing what guys like Ville Leino can haul in. He may end up being disappointed though as there are a number of solid to good, bigger-name UFA forwards this year who a lot of teams will have ahead of him on their lists (rightly or wrongly).
by afrosupreme on Feb 15, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough.
I guess its just the LA vs NYR thing….I’d heard of PAP before the Isles from his stint with the Rangers – I had no clue who Moulson was. That said, the friend thing is not small for Moulson.
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Absolutely
And it may very well have helped bring JT’s contract extension in early as well knowing they took care of his buddy.
I still say don't trade and count on
1. Even though the Isles may not be the team to make him the highest offer, they still have enough space to make him an offer that is in the ball park of what other high paying organizations are willing to pay (this goes out the window if some team makes an insane offer to pay him way more than he’s worth)
and
2. There is some truth behind the statement from his Agent, that PA really believes in the future of the franchise and believes that with the isles, he can be an important part of a contender for years to come.
Maybe this isn’t enough to risk getting absolutely nothing in return for PA, but add in the fact that the isles are sniffing the playoffs right now and that the PA would be very hard to replace in the immediate future, I say Garth and Charles put faith in PA’s statement and try and work out a fair deal once the season ends
Take em to the jabrone-zone
by IslesJabronie on Feb 15, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Years and money are tied together.
I don’t see him wanting a DP lengthed contract being what prevents a deal from being made. If he wants too many years at too high a price than thats a different story.
Take em to the jabrone-zone
by IslesJabronie on Feb 15, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Unlike Nabokov I think PA really wants to stay
I think it’s a risk worth taking in not trading PA. Garth has shown that he can get his players to stay and at reasonable rates so I’ll keep faith in that.
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How do you know?
Mind you, the difference is that unlike Nabokov, we have good reason to WANT PAP to stay for multiple years. We’d love him to be part of our future.
But well, this could be his only shot at making big money. The way to achieve that is to test free agency. And the Isles have issues matching other teams’ offers.
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I don't know
i just think so.
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I could care less about
if he wants to stay or does not want to stay argument . The point is either way, you get a deal done before the deadline with his agent for something in the area they are asking. This is basically picking up a FA at this point that we have exclusive Negotiating rights with.
Yes we did give him a shot on the top line and he succeeded with JT and MM, but now he is proving he provides a lot more, and this is not some over night magic either. He has steadily progressed in his two seasons, is in his peak in terms of age (only age) but has the benefit of not having played 10 years of NHL hockey like others his age. Much like Mark Streit or Dwayne Roloson who entered the league late and their hey days were are in their early to mid 30s.
I originally thought a deal of 3 – 4 million for 4 years was going to get it done. I would say now if he wants 5 years at 4 million or 4 years at 5 million, get it done. We all know FA who can put up this kind of production are not coming. Maybe in 3 years he only puts up mimimal numbers, he is a way better filler at that point than any cap mule I can think of. Also the fact it adds another level of competition for our younger developing players, they can stay more years in AHL or other leagues and really have to crack an NHL line up.
So many reasons to get this done as soon as possible, with FN deal done, Garth should put all his focus on getting this done. Garth deal with the Agent Walsh there, let PAP play and do his things and when all is said and done let Hartnell deliver the news.
I think he's gone
I don’t like it, but I think it’s simple economics. He’s worth more to other teams than the Isles (think he is). Garth has so far gotten everybody to sign at a nice hometown, homegrown discount. Also, in most cases, he’s deftly gotten a you-are-before-your-prime discount. P.A. fits none of those. P.A. owes it to himself to see what he can get. He could absolutely make stupid money on the open market…as I’ve mentioned, I don’t think a Jason-Blake-ish deal is out of the question from some crazy GM. On the other hand, Garth is probably (rightly) thinking he wants to give him a Moulsen deal. Anything longer would clog up the system. If P.A. walks, so be it, there are many replacement candidates. Again, I’m not agreeing, I just think this is how it is. They could be $10 apart.
Er, I'd kick in the $10
I meant, $10 million apart.
#payPAP
if you can get a first rounder, i think i’d trade him, but i think a lot of teams know 85% of his time here was spent with JT on the top line, and even not on it now, he STILL plays on the top PP line with JT, so many people will use that to discount the year he’s had.
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