Islanders Bits: Nassau Asks Wang to Build a Coliseum...Again.
by Dominik on Feb 15, 2012 6:30 AM EST
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PrintWe're not moved here by each grandstanding public meeting around the Nassau Coliseum land, nor swayed by each blog forecasting how the latest rumors affect the endgame. But we feel some obligation to pass along what's being said when it makes headlines. The latest:
Nassau County Executive Edward Mangano has offered Islanders owner Charles Wang an exclusive period to come up with a privately financed plan to redevelop the 77-acre Nassau Hub before the county seeks other options for the site.
Gee, if only Wang had offered to build-- Wait, what year is this again? That's from Newsday, but if you'd prefer the Cliff Notes to save your constitution, Dave summarized the main points [FanShot] last night.
Meanwhile, in the main topic area for this site, the Islanders hockey club is two points back of the Jets, their regulation time victims last night. In a rare case, all last night's results turned in the Islanders' favor, except for your usual Rangers hate (they shutout the Bruins), and unless you think they can still catch the Devils (they beat Buffalo).
Recaps of the 3-1 win over the Jets: LHH recap (with some audio links from Illegal Curve) | Newsday and Mark Herrmann's recap | The Winnipeg Sun has the Jets disappointed in their powerplay | The loss has the Jets captain clamoring for scoring help | The Sun had called it a must-win though | The Free Press called it a wasted chance | Arctic Ice Hockey shares disappointment | IPB glows in the victory
- Newsday uses the occasion to compare Winnipeg (which lost a team and is gonzo over the NHL's return) to Nassau County (which risks losing a team it will never get back).
- They also compare Ty Wishart to ... some Jeremy Lin guy.
- From yesterday, our look at how the Islanders need to approach the trade deadline: By all means, keep pushing for the playoffs, but the deadline decisions must be made with an eye to next year.
- There must be some mistake: Readers keep telling us it's the Islanders players who are easiest to intimidate.
Hockey Prospectus' Timmo Seppa on Atlantic should-be trade deadline targets:
Puzzlingly utilized for a disproportionate number of offensive-zone draws by coach Jack Capuano over the first few months of the season, the 34-year-old was a predictably ineffective square peg in a round hole. Intriguingly for the faceoff-challenged Devils, though, Reasoner's most productive season since 2005-06 occurred for DeBoer's Florida Panthers in 2010-11 (7.8 GVT), when he scored a respectable 1.6 even-strength points per 60 minutes despite just 42 percent offensive-zone starts. Reasoner's former coach could be the key to maximizing the veteran's overall value, while his faceoff skills (54.1 percent) are undeniable.
- James Wisniewski not only scored the tying goal in the BJ's win over the Blues (the Isles' next opponent) last night, he saved a goal against in the most dramatic way possible [video].
- An Oilers blogger disappointed in Steve Tambellini? Get out!
- A Capitals blogger distressed by their villain behind the bench.
- Winnipeg has lots more home games before the deadline: Strength of schedule comparison: Florida Panthers and conference rivals - Litter Box Cats
- Good question: Tuesday's notes: Are shootouts more common as the playoffs approach? - On the Forecheck
- Well, this is messed up: Hockey star facing assault charge after concussing own teammate in practice fight | Prep Rally - Yahoo! Sports
- Turns out the center red line injured Sidney Crosby all along: Penguins Coach Dan Bylsma supports putting red line back in, slowing game down | Puck Daddy
Your fortune for the day: Just as life is a cycle that repeats, so too shall you be asked to do something you were already asked to do in 2007. Just accept it like it's a favor.
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From Charles Wang to Mr. Mangano
“Hey Ed, guess which finger I’m holding up?? Guess!!!”
Isles rule, rangers suck... that's just how it is.
i find this funny
Wang must find it hilarious.
by TA on Feb 15, 2012 7:19 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
New building layout.
Wang should lay out the buildings so they form the words “Screw ABLI & TOH”.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Feb 15, 2012 7:30 AM EST reply actions
Wang should propose a new skyscraper shaped like a dick.
Nothing else around it. Just a dick shaped skyscraper. “It has no offices, and there is, unfortunately no rink for a hockey team. Oh – no apartments or retail space. And I was thinking about a garage and a park like space, but then I thought we could use that space to make the dick even bigger. So that’s what we have here, just a big giant dick – to keep our suburban character in tact. Thoughts?”
by Les Beaver on Feb 15, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 16 recs
Or four new buildings.
The second being significantly larger than the other three. The other three, meanwhile, are built in such a way that it looks a like a fist around the larger buildings.
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
So if I'm following this visually, it would appear like a hand rolled in a fist, with what would be the "middle" or longest finger, higher than the others?
I find that to be aesthetically pleasing, indeed.
Would a fifth building, say one shaped like a “thumb”, be used to lay horizontally across the other 4? It can also double as a Welcome Center.
Holy Shit thats Awesome!!!
Thanks for the mid-day laugh, needed that.
by islesin2012 on Feb 15, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
les, that wa awesome
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 15, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Dick shaped skyscraper
That was my nickname in coll….no it wasn’t.
That’s what they call Zdeno Cha….no it isn’t.
They should call it the Avery Buil…..no they shouldn’t.
I bet Brett Farve would take pictur…..no he wouldn’t.
I don’t know, I’m all out.
Being born in New York and rooting for the Islanders, Jets, and Mets. Yeah, I know.
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by CharlieIsles on Feb 15, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
With our luck
THAT would get approved.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well maybe this is the way it works in the world.
Maybe three’s a charm. Or has it been more than three?
It is Diduck.
no, only in pockets of the Northeast is the beurocracy this thick
by ATL Jim on Feb 15, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not like this. Its really not.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Pau is right
I live in a small beachtown, and it’s the same here.
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 15, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
It's bad in the NE
Grew up in North Jersey, also lived in Missouri, Arizona, and 10 years in the Pacific Northwest. A million little things will tell you that this crap — while everywhere — is worse in the NE. Just going to get a license is a breeze out west compared to the NE, where I used to break out in hives at the thought of going to the DMV. Don’t worry, the NW is catching up (Sonics fans would tell you that.) I think it’s about time. When things are new and there aren’t 7 generations worth of government debt hanging around your head, it’s easy to have simple, clean government. As the legacy builds up over time, so does the patronage, the owed favors, etc. There’s still no place I’d rather be than the NYC area but it has its warts.
I wont disagree about red tape in the NE
In terms of land use, at least, the northeast has unquestionably more regulations and more enforcement of those regs as land is at a premium and the population density is much higher than in many other parts. Of course you’d have higher hurdles to clear when waste, traffic, density, water usage, etc., are heightened concerns.
But those DMV gripes, I’ve never understood that. I’ve moved in and around NY/CT/MA/NH/VA quite a bit over the last 12 years, and there are long lines everywhere—but it only seems worse in NY and LI as folks here complain more and have a harder time entertaining themselves for 45 minutes (and most are unprepared when they actually make it up to the agent! hilarious). Any time I have to go to the post office, there’s always a huge line and one register open, and you can watch people just lose it and get all huffy when they have to wait just five minutes.
by brother_rat on Feb 15, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not all NE
Just the population centers. When I went to college and lived in the Binghamton area, the Binghamton and Endicott DMVs were very convenient, fast and easy.
If you’re just doing license stuff and you’re in Manhattan, you can just go to the express DMV by Penn Station, I’ve heard they can have you in and out in ten minutes.
by dunnowhat2type on Feb 15, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely true.
Renewed my license in less than 10 min. a couple of months ago.
In Nassau it's not just about regulation
NYC is probably one of the most heavily regulated municipalities in the US — landmarks commission, community boards, planning, zoning, NYC specific environmental impact reviews, etc. However, NYC managed to build two stadiums and an arena over the past decade.
Nassau has lots of regulation but it also has a completely dysfunctional political system imaginable coupled with extreme parochialism.
Most developers expect and are prepared for regulatory mazes but political dysfunction is a whole other matter.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Feb 15, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS.
What is going on in Nassau County over the last 15 years is insane, and I have seen no other comparable examples of modern municipalities as screwed up as the TOH/Nassau.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Los Angeles is bonkers...
They’ve been talking about a subway to the sea since the sixties. Mass transit here is a joke and it’s all because of bureaucratic bullshit. This is a major part of the decline of America. Nothing can get done unless it lines the pockets of some cronie. Sad.
by Isle in Topanga on Feb 15, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
LA is pretty nuts
But LI has been talking about developing the “Hub” since the 60s as well- and all they could muster was NVMC, which did not live up to even the expectations they had over 40 years ago.
Add in our roads to nowhere and the general insanity of a town telling the county it is part of what they can and cannot do with land that they themselves own and it all spells Nassau County, Long Island… one of the most governmentally screwed up places in America.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine the future of Long Island looks a lot like this
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Feb 15, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
doubt they'd ever get zoning approval for the giant magnifying glass
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
by ArsenalLI on Feb 15, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Giant Magnifying Glasses will disrupt our suburban landscape"
- Kate Murray
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Feb 15, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Though you might have luck with the escalator to nowhere
It’s shopping mall-esque, after all.
by SchneiderDiricov on Feb 15, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not in MY backyard!
It will kill property values to have a giant escalator towering over the street!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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LOLOLOL
its just so appropriate, spent the last 5 min LMAO rec’d
Isles rule, rangers suck... that's just how it is.
by Timtropolis on Feb 15, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have lived alot of places in this country and it is the worst in the NE, games are played
(both sides of the isle) Environmental studies(just an example) etc are used as political tools rather than any actual concern. If these politicians used their energy on making things better instead of finding creative ways to play political games, these regions would be flourishing.
It should be nay votes for all incumbents until the nonsense is stopped.
by ATL Jim on Feb 15, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
*applause*
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
(And not sarcastic, Babcock applause)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i think the mangano article is proof that nassau isnt serious
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Feb 15, 2012 8:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Political CYA
Or “cover your ass” in lay-terms.
Mangano doesn’t want to be seen as the reason Nassau loses the Isles, so he’s going to grandstand ideas that have low probability of working:
-Referendum, which could have worked, but was a poorly communicated and run campagin by Mangano, but maybe could have a had a chance under the right conditions
- And now asking Wang to, for the second time, come up with a development idea, which was already done, what 10 years ago now?
I think everyone knows what Wang wants to do with the site. And everyone knows that TOH won’t let him. And that Wang felt that a scaled down approach wouldn’t be economical.
Therefore we’re at the same impasse we were before.
Maybe I need to be talked off the ledge, but I’m thinking this is Nassau county effectively bidding a fond “adieu” to the Isles
by SchneiderDiricov on Feb 15, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Or as Hudson from Aliens would put it:
That’s it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?
by SchneiderDiricov on Feb 15, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wang must be beside himself..
There is nothing else that he can do…Unless it is at all possible to cut his project by 70% and to keep it within Kate Murray’s scope. But who’s to say she wouldn’t find problems with a reduced project? I just don’t see it happening. Wang must be so pissed the fuck off. If Murray told him from the beginning that his project was too big he could’ve saves millions upon millions of dollars…Instead that animal let him spend and spend while she twittled her thumbs. I just don’t see him spending another red cent after what that fat c@#$ did to him and the dream project. He did everything he was asked to do and they still rejected it. How can he jump into the same fire? If Wang is in his right mind he not gonna do it…
This is not good news for Long Islanders…Its could be good news for Brooklyn or Queens. Don’t get me wrong…I’d prefer the Isles stay anywhere in NY if the alternative is another state…But its just another sad day for Long Island…Its a signal that things are getting worse around here…Maybe its time to gtfo of here!
I don't know if I'm in the minority now...
….but in regards to Nabby and PAP, I’m going to say keep them at the deadline.
I personally don’t think the Isles will make the playoffs this year, but that doesn’t mean I’m not enjoying this ride. How rare would it be that all 5 teams in the division would make the playoffs? I highly doubt that, so it’s the Isles being left out. It’s cool. It’s not the end of the world.
At least keeping Nabby and PAP through the deadline might give the rest of the team some sort of boost to keep chugging along and see how far they can get. Like, the team would respond to ‘Hey! Garth didn’t trade anyone away! Maybe he thinks we CAN do this!!’ and ride the wave here on out. I do not think they will pick up anyone come the dealine either. The team on the ice right now (maybe with a call up here and there) is what we’ll see come the end of the season.
I’m willing to risk losing Nabby and PAP if they want to leave via free agency. If they can get more $$ somewhere else, then so be it. Hell, maybe if the Isles know they can’t resign both of them, maybe there’s an outside shot of dealing their rights to a team and pick up a 4th or 5th Rounder in the draft. But at least keeping them to the end would be worth it, for the team as a whole.
But for now keep the team intact. Don’t move anyone, call up a guy (maybe), give the team some more confidence and ride this out to the end.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Feb 15, 2012 8:33 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
I'm not opposed to keeping Nabby because I don't think he's worth that much but
if PaP won’t sign he’s too valuable not to trade. He could garner a serious package and we don’t want to be short sighted about the playoffs. The whole reason we went into the rebuild in the first place is so we’d win a Stanley Cup not so that we could hang around the 8 seed. In all reality PaP probably wouldn’t even be part of a Cup run because of his age. We need to be smart about asset management and make sure to trade away the UFAs that we can’t get to sign.
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
In all reality PaP probably wouldn’t even be part of a Cup run because of his age.
This is the tricky thing. So far in his two seasons, PAP has proven that he is a legitimate top-6 forward in the NHL. He’s entering the prime of his career, so for the next 2 – 3 seasons he most likely will stay around the 65 – 75 point range per season. However, with the bevy of prospects the Islanders have, there’s no guarantee that any of them will be as productive, if not more, than PAP has proven. It’s easy to say “Well let’s get rid of Parenteau because he’s older”, but who knows whether Lee, Petrov, Kabanov, Ullstrom, Rahkshani or any other prospect will be as good as he has been?
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
My presumption is that our major prospects wont be ready to compete by the time PaP is on the decline
I’d expect us to be very serious contenders when JT is 25ish. I kind of see PaP if he chooses to sign as the Westfall for this group in that he’ll be there in the build up but won’t get to make it to fruition.
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
So that's around 4 years
By then, we’re looking at:
Nino would be 23
Strome would be 22
Lee would be 25
Nelson would be 24
Kabanov would be 23
Donovan would be 25
CdH would be 25
Mayfield would be 23
I definitely think that, of that bunch, a good number of them should be strong contributors to the NHL squad. Definitely looks good for the future, with or without PAP.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Feb 15, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seems about right age wise doesn't it?
Even if half those guys pan out were going to be in very good shape.
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
by ArsenalLI on Feb 15, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Parenteau is 28 and...
…a “young” 28, perhaps, since he’s only played 164 NHL games. That’s 100 games less than Bailey. The NHL is the most grueling league in the world, so it’s possible his body holds up well to top-6 time until he is 32 instead of 30. Will the Isles compete for the Cup within those 4-5 years? Hard to tell. But I would gladly take 4-5 years of battling through playoffs with PAP.
My bet is that Isles sign PAP a couple days before the deadline. We hope by then that Garth has a good read on whether he can sign PAP.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 15, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
He can be a part of a Cup run
If the Isles contend in, say, three years, PAP would be 31. There are plenty of 31-year-olds who play well for good teams.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I would love PAP on a playoff team
I feel the guy would deliver the goods come playoff time.
1. He is a gritty player
2. He will Hit and Agitate
3. He brings his emotions on the ice with him, yelling from the bunch on the ice, wherever.
4. Verbal with the media (when it is afforded)
All this on top of his talent and play making abilities.
Islanders need to resign PAP at some point, preferably sooner than later. There is probably a disconnect on term and less on salary, I would imagine.
Incredible points.
Although in the end, I think that Nabby is playing ABOVE his normal level right now (1 to trade him) and is on the older side of a career (2 to trade him), while PAP is also playing above his normal level (+1 to trade), but could potentially be part of the medium term success of the team.
I wouldn’t trade either for any less then a 2nd rounder or equal-ish value, which probably meant that I wouldn’t be trading either if I was the GM.
Again, though, great points.
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by CharlieIsles on Feb 15, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wang was the winning bidder on the privately financed Lighthouse Project, a mixed commercial and residential proposal for the Hub area in central Nassau that failed to garner enough community support.
This is absolute BS!! Wasnt it like 60% in favor? I hate Newdsay!
They are mixing up the Lighthouse Project with the referendum vote. Two completely different attempts.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Or they are mistaking "community support"
with business or politician support. Still wrong though.
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by Keith Quinn on Feb 15, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
*faints*
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
lacked "community" support, NOT county support
As in Garden City not wanting skyscrapers above its treeline
As in Kate Murray not wanting to change her slice of suburbia
As in Hempstead Councilwoman Dorothy Goosby wanting a huge chunk of cash for new schoolroom expansion and the ‘burden’ placed on the fire department and her redevelopment plans for downtown Roosevelt/Hempstead.
Not sure county residents’ support was ever as high as 60%. Residents of Town of North Hempstead and Oyster Bay were largely indifferent to the Lighthouse Project since they wouldn’t feel the impact of 10 years of continous construction – which is why few town hall meetings were ever done in these areas.
Even with all of that, community support was higher than you credit it for being.
N12LI did surveys and a distinct majority of random citizens were in favor of the project.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
If I'm Wang...
I just package up all the documents from the original Lighthouse project (not the redesign), courier them over to Mangina’s office with a note that says ‘Ed, the guys in KC really love this design, maybe you will, too’.
I’d also add 1 additional container… a 55 gallon drum filled with the strained contents of the sewage system from the last home game.
And a dead hooker in his trunk.
Amateurs practice til they get it right. Professionals practice til they can't get it wrong.
by Torgo on Feb 15, 2012 9:05 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Dale Hunter Undermines Michal Neuvirth’s Confidence, Could Leave Lasting Impact
Uh oh, that’s not good for the 25th best player under 25.
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 15, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Poor Neuvirth
He knew it was getting bad when he let up a goal during a scrimmage, and was crosschecked by his coach five seconds later.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 15, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I started laughing at this post
and then someone crosschecked me from behind five second later.
by GreekIsles83 on Feb 15, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Puck daddy
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 15, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Lou is a good salesman...
he’ll trade players that may seem promising, but won’t live up to their potential. and having Zidlicky on their blue line will give them that added punch they need for the playoffs.
"Redemption? Sure. But in the end, he's just another dead rat in a garbage pail behind a Chinese restaurant."
10 game chunk # 6
starts compiling tonight with Ottawa’s 60th, and is complete on 2/25.
One sneak preview:
Right now, if you subtact the first 20 games of the season for all teams, the Isles record (at game 56) puts them in 8th place in the East with 42 points, 3 points ahead of Winnipeg in 9th, and 3 points behind NJ for 4th. The only team the East that is pulling away are the Rag$ @ 52 points.
Amateurs practice til they get it right. Professionals practice til they can't get it wrong.
I'm sick of hearing about LIn
Not by anybody here, but Carton’s all over his ass so bad, I erased their show from my dvr to do list. He’s worse than ESPN when it comes to talking about the same thing over and over.
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 15, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
hears a graph of LIN showing how his play and the talk will flatten out
oh wait i confused that with ln
These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar
by bob l on Feb 15, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I knew that the whole Lin thing was full of hyperbole
But this is ridiculous!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 16, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he's played 5 games or something
And ESPN talks about more than Tebow over and over.
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 15, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I've heard folks comparing him to MJ
I don’t mind some guy succeeding out of left field in this storybook fashion, but Knicks fans are some of the most deluded in all of sports and this gives them yet another crazyballs platform to tout how ‘amazing’ their team is. The team was in an epic tailspin, its high-priced players worthless, and the coach was hours from being fired before being saved by a D-leaguer! I don’t mind Lin making a name for himself and it’s a good story, but trusty ol’ Jimbo Dolan will find a way to meddle and disrupt the good vibe.
by brother_rat on Feb 15, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Eventually, the Knicks will once again become "The Knicks"
and trade Lin for a broken down salary cap disaster former All Star to add to their collection.
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by PGI on Feb 15, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Another one from puckdaddy
Dishonorable Mention “P.A. Parenteau had a rare diving minor called against him vs. Winnipeg, and later took a cross-checking penalty.”
You should have given the refs a dishonorable mention. Of course I’m almost sure he wasn’t watching this game.
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 15, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions
Which 'Diving' penalty was worse?
This one or JT’s a few months back (can’t remember who Isles played). Didn’t see last nights game.
Is there a video of PAP’s up anywhere?
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Feb 15, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Which is worse?
There both bad, but Jts was at the end of the game so I would say his was worse.
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 15, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
to be fair
he was called for embellishing, on a hit from behind into the boards, which in turn means he had to thrust his body, face first into the boards in an effort to buy a call… who does that?
These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar
by bob l on Feb 15, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And it it was embellishing...
WHY WAS IT BOARDING???
When it is truly a boarding hit (as it was this time) the receiving player doesn’t have enough time to embellish.
Parenteau put his arms up and snapped his head back, trying to avoid his head smashing into the boards.
Oh, I forgot the cross-check on Bailey, which appeared worse than PAP’s cross-check. Now I’m more angry.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 15, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Barry, horrible quality, but here you go, Jiggs and Butchie's reaction is priceless
They know what’s up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYWyKhAhLeI&feature=youtu.be
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 15, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, it looks worse from that angle.
Reminds me of one of Shanny’s videos: when you see the guy’s numbers head-on, you’re not supposed to hit him from behind into the glass. Isn’t that what Shanny keeps on preaching?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 15, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's an Islander. His brain doesn't matter. The fact we don't make the playoffs over Ottawa, Winnipeg and Toronto is what truly matters
How do Islander fans spell hope?
T-A-V-A-R-E-S
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Feb 15, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever team has Tim Connolly on it.
Because he actually dove on the ensuring power play. Maple Leafs?
All I know I was at that game and I was fuming.
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
JT's was worse
because it was much later in the game and the player interfering with him didn’t get a penalty AT ALL.
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by Fabtraption on Feb 15, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
OT: ESPNNewYork
I absolutely never go here for my islanders news… but some page directed me there so I thought I’d look around…
The last update to the Isles blog was posted on February 1st… This coming from a site that is supposed to specialize in NY area sports… one day this team will get the (at least regional) media attention it deserves.
by BaltimoreIslander on Feb 15, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions
She annoyed me with a Tweet last night
About Hank’s shutout of the Bruins: “#NYR Henrik Lundqvist makes 42 saves for league-leading 7th shutout of ssn. Rangers beat Bruins 3-0. Rick who?”
Really, a professional journalist for The WorldWide Leader had to snark the team she used to cover, and without whom she would not have gotten the break she got to work for a national media outlet? Stay classy, Strang.
(And leave Rick Wamsley out of this.)
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Rick Nash maybe?
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Hm. On second thought, that's entirely possible
Glad I didn’t shoot off my mouth last night, but waited all day to do something equally stupid here!
(Oh well, at least the Wamsley joke was quality.)
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Let's face it
At this point, DiPietro isn’t on the forefront of anyone’s mind. And comparing him to Lundqvist is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford Taurus station wagon.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
More like a Ferrari to a Ford Pinto
Likely to explode at the slightest contact
by NYIPHL on Feb 15, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Coli crapola
I can’t wait to hear about how the other areas are wooing Sir Charles in a tangible way, but I doubt we’ll ever find out what’s going on behind the scenes.
But honestly, with all the 55 developers that want a piece of this project, there should be a way to spread the wealth of 77 acres with all its mixed-use glory so as to outflank the expected jealous whine and provide (again!) for solid private financing. I just hope the damn country will sell some portion of the land outright to Wang to allow for some measure of economic viability.
That comment from Mangano that shovels must be in the ground by the end of the year—that seems wrong, and total pipe dream to boot. The environmental review takes some time, and how do they expect to solve the TOH/Kate Murray problem as yet another rezoning would likely be required?
2 disturbing quotes from newsday bs article... "many arenas?"
it says that in the absence of a plan from wang for redeveloping that land… deputy county executive rob walker (whomever the hell that is) said “we will have no choice but to go in another direction.”… i don’t know but that doesn’t have the “let’s work together kumbaya” feel to it does it?
and picker from the islanders says “we are looking at many different arenas.”… and what does that mean? there is only one alternate arena here… if they are looking at more than 1 arena it is safe to say that arena is not in ny… right?
and it amazes me that the writers of the article don’t seem to care that, as they point out matter of factly, the very people who worked to block the vote last summer are the same ones trying to profit and benefit from it… there’s so much kirkian corruption and stupidity on multiple levels here it blows me away like a photon torpedo up my tail pipe… (that’s actually general chang but you get my point)
by Khan Noonien Singh on Feb 15, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions
A quartet of Nassau's largest developers announced last week that they would offer a joint proposal to redevelop the Hub, with or without the team.
now many areas actually try to get rid of a team vs trying to keep them? so backwards
the matter of fact reference to the four developers who helped block the vote was in the previous days article… they just refer to it in todays
by Khan Noonien Singh on Feb 15, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Screw Bylsma, the red line slowed down the game too much.
Why would we want a slower game? It’s less exciting. Why do we have smaller rinks then europe? Because contact/physicality is exciting and you have to play smarter with the puck in a small rink then you would in a wider one. I don’t think adding the Red line back will protect players, it will just slow things down. If players are fast enough to create odd man rushes and have great outlet passes, I think they are smart enough to avoid heavy contact with their skills. The red line didn’t really protect anyone imo but goalies.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"John Tavares(a top 10 forward in the NHL)"-Neil Greenberg
The article is a lot more reasonable than that headline sounds
Parenteau’s agent, Allan Walsh says he and his client don’t believe it is appropriate to pursue contract discussions at this time, but will listen if the Islanders are eager to negotiate. “He’s made it very clear from the outset that he’s highly motivated to stay with the New York Islanders”
So it looks like, if the Isles want to sign him, they can… and if they want to wait, thats fine with PAP.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
That’s generic bullshit, though. Of course that is what he and his agent are going to say. His actions here are inconsistent with that.
It’s too much of a risk. They have to try to trade him.
=d
That’s generic bullshit, though.
But the title isnt?
The guy isnt LOOKING to leave, everyone needs to chill.
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by TheMetalChick on Feb 15, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Same shit different year....
It seems that when Moulson was looking for anotner deal everyone was on pins and needles thinking OH NO WE ARE LOOSING MOULSON! Well in fact a deal was getting done while we pined. Perhaps we can take this as it is, right now is not the time to negotiate, maybe a deal is being worked on as we speak. It seems to be Garth’s M.O., one at a tim……next! Frans, done…..next……
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by Russel Ginart on Feb 15, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
In 2010, Moulson signed his 1-year deal as an RFA minutes before his arbitration hearing.
Last year, Moulson signed his three-year deal in January.
I don’t really see how this is the same thing.
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Yeah
The headline is pretty bad. Not sure what to make of it.
That said, PA seems like he wants to cash in, and I’m guessing this means he’s not interested in the hometown discount like Frans was. Can’t blame him, but probably time to wade deeper into the trade waters.
Sounds like PaP and Walsh are saying Snow's numbers are too low.
Looks like a game of chicken right now.
And Garth can use that as leverage...
…telling PAP to prove it to him that he’s worth $20 million over the next 5 years (or whatever PAP is looking for)…. He’s played like a $6 million forward through much of this season…. Is one great season enough for another GM to commit $20 million when his own team has signed promising forwards to similar deals and decided to pass on Parenteau?
I think PAP is signed two days before the deadline: 5 years: $19.5 million.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Feb 15, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think this is bad...
he probably wants to focus on playing. he made it clear that he’d like to stay w the isles. garth will sign him after the season’s over.
"Redemption? Sure. But in the end, he's just another dead rat in a garbage pail behind a Chinese restaurant."
It's grandstanding
Parenteau’s agent, Allan Walsh says he and his client don’t believe it is appropriate to pursue contract discussions at this time, but will listen if the Islanders are eager to negotiate.
“We’re going to wait until after the season. Unless you make us an offer we like, then we’ll sign today.”
Absolutely
Wouldn’t surprise me if he already has. Agents go public, GMs (Garth more than most) don’t negotiate in the media.
I'm imagining that's what he'll do
Seemed he was doing it with Moulson last year (though they weren’t in a “playoff push”).
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PAP is trying to Jason Blake his way off the Island
I understand why he’s trying to do that, but man if that doesn’t make me bitter.
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I view it more like a one-night stand
You got what you needed. I got what I needed. The guy in the black outfit fistf***d you once or twice.
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Ville Leino
Same shit that happened with him last year. He left for Buffalo for the big $$$. This worries me a lot.
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by edavidmorris on Feb 15, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Buffalo is more worried that Leino left all his talent in Matt Read's locker when he left Philly
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Things have gotten way out of hand
Now Danny Briere’s stick is following Frans all over the continent and knocking him headfirst into the net. Frakkin’ goons.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Feb 15, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hey garik16
Your fanpost was mentioned here: http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-trade-deadline-dream-scenarios-whom-want-where-182415870.html;_ylt=ApgpozmAOCfdg.elNvb0rDIJfwM6
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
