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The One-Two Punch

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Datsyuk/Zetterberg, Crosby/Malkin, Toews/Sharp, Kopitar/Richards, Giroux/Briere, Krejci/Seguin, Thornton/Marleau, Sedin/Kesler……what do all these players have in common? They provide a one-two punch down the middle for their respective organizations. They help their wingers score more on a consistent basis. They put pressure against opposing coaches and defense. They get their hockey clubs to the playoffs. This write up is to not necessarily take shots at Josh Bailey but focus on the glaring need for the Islanders to add a legitimate second line center.

When Ryan Strome was selected fifth overall in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft by the New York Islanders, it was apparent that GM Garth Snow was not satisfied with the development of 22 year old Josh Bailey. Although this move made most Islanders fans excited, (especially Craig Button who suggested that Garth Snow should take a long look at Ryan Strome weeks before the draft), it left Josh Bailey wondering what his fate will be and if he’s still considered part of the core.

In his first three seasons with the NY Islanders, Bailey recorded 34 goals and 54 assists in 211 games earning him a two-year contract a day after Snow agreed to terms with John Taveres on a six-year deal. Although negotiations dragged out with RFA Josh Bailey, the deal was made locking up the young center with two more years to prove his worth. Unlike the Milbury days, you have to credit Garth Snow for sticking with his draft picks and not trading them for a quick fix.

To date, Bailey has been playing more of a checking role, centering the third line seeing minutes with Brian Rolston, Blake Comeau, Matt Martin, Tim Wallace, Nino Niederreiter and now Rhett Rakhshani. We’ve heard countless times that we’ll never see the true Josh Bailey unless he plays with scoring wingers. Bailey was touted as having some of the best vision in his draft year. He’s displayed that sparingly but never consistently. With 5 goals, 8 assists and a minus -12 halfway through the season, one has to wonder how much more Garth Snow is going to get out of his 2008 – 9th overall draft pick. Would he have been better off served returning to Juniors where he would have won a Memorial Cup with the Windsor Spitfires? Would the World Junior Championship have provided the necessary experience to play under pressure wearing team Canada’s colors? Should the Islanders have waited until he turned 20 years old to give him a year in Bridgeport to further continue his development at the pro level? Although it does us no good to focus on the past, one must learn from it. This is a formula that the Detroit Red Wings seem to have down pat. Never rushing their prospects, never force feeding them NHL minutes, if anything – making sure they are over ripe.

Without debate, Frans Nielsen fits this team as a defensive forward 3rd line center which concerns me more of who is the number 2 center going to be in the 2012-2013 season? We don’t know for sure Ryan Strome will be ready next year, or the year after that. We know what he can do offensively in Juniors, but that success doesn’t always translate to the NHL right away. In a salary cap world where team’s lock up players long term, most GM’s find it very difficult to trade for a top center. Adding to that, it’s even more difficult when Garth Snow MUST pay attention to how far he goes above the salary cap floor so needless to say, he will have to get creative.

Photobucket With rumors circulating around Columbus that Jeff Carter wants out, this proves that 2nd line centers can be found. It’s just a matter of deciding whether or not Garth wants to take on a contract as heavy as his, if he can provide help for Grabner and Parenteau, and if his injury woes are behind him.I believe Carter is not the solution to the problem and should not be considered however it’s easy to crave his skill set and size – something that is desperately needed down the middle for this hockey club.

Chris Botta has repeatedly said that this team is in desperate need of a proven veteran. Think along the lines of what Michael Peca did during his time on Long Island. Peca came in to the locker room after having led the Buffalo Sabres to a Stanley Cup final, demanding results from his players and good goaltending from Chris Osgood and………..Garth Snow. Now although Garth Snow takes his fair share of heat from the fans about not being a qualified GM, it’s experiences such as this one that lead me to believe that Snow is in tune with the holes on this team. It’s easy to point out that we signed Brian Rolston, Jay Pandolfo, Mark Eaton, Steve Staios and Mark Mottau but facts are facts my friends – at the moment nobody intends or wants to sign here.

With all that said, looks like Garth Snow’s only option is to get creative with a trade or two. Regardless whether we are playoff bound this season or not, I truly believe Garth Snow should be a buyer at the deadline and set himself up for next season. Excuses are made every year why we didn’t make the playoffs and how he will not tolerate losing. Enough is enough, play the kids and make the trades necessary to improving this hockey club next year and beyond. As Peter Strup once said "time only seems to matter when it’s running out". The time is now, Garth.

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agreed

picking strome didn’t have much, if anything, to do with bailey’s development or lack there of. also consider that many players who played centre in junior, play wing at the pro level.

by DirtyIsle on Feb 2, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we might have better luck with UFA's this year

We wont be landing any of the top guys, but I think if we can finish in the 10 spot or higher, the lure of John Tavares could bring some decent players to Long Island.
Oh, and some sort of arena solution couldnt hurt either

"Oh no. He's got some speed. I might have to take his legs out." Rick DiPietro shortly before the first stitch came out.

by backstop87 on Feb 1, 2012 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t agree, but I wish like hell you are right. This team still isn’t attractive to the knid of free agents we need to fill certain roles.

by Icefan71 on Feb 3, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Bails playing with Rakh is a good thing- they have produced well together before, lets see what they can do together in the NHL.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Feb 1, 2012 8:28 PM EST reply actions  

liked your other posts better, absolutely no way to compare Carter to Peca, maybe a lesser talented Yashin but not Peca

and with 10 years left on his contract, no bloody way. Players, especially centres with Carter’s size are hard to get, which should be the obvious red flag, why is someone trying to dump him yet again? Well, Howson isn’t bad mouthing the Isles rebuild this year lol And Howsen will never get near what he gave up for Carter, this will make Howson forget all about Filatov.

Botta is a PR man, he doesn’t have a hockey background, he should have stuck to what he was good at, which was interviewing those who know the sport…Isles need NHL level talent, they don’t necessarily need vets. They need a secondary offensive zone centre, agreed…preferably a big physical left wing as well to play on that line, beyond that, if Frans and Pap are resigned, outside of Reasoner, the Isles shouldn’t have a forward older than 30. Frans, Moulson, Pap, KO and Grabs are the vets now. The only place I would see a need for a vet is a pair of physical, defensive zone D man (3rd pairing) and maybe a goalie like Nabby. But this team is past the necessity for vets just for the sake of having vets. Moulson is our Ed Westfall.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 1, 2012 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

Nail on the head with: "With all that said, looks like Garth Snow’s only option is to get creative with a trade or two."

Centers are very important to teams, and you hit the nail on the head there. Problem is, Garth seems to only be looking at low-cost/moderate to hi-payoff. That extremely limits his options. Seemingly, the Rolston-Hunter trade blew up in his face any way you look at it. You can’t tell me(us) that there wasn’t a better way to spend that money. I mean, Rolston is a good 4th line player/sub-par 3rd line player, that’s horrible trade value. And then we look at the Martinek/Hillen letting walk and be replaced by Staios was even more of a mess. This was Garth’s worst offseason as a GM nhl roster moves wise. Let’s hope that changes.

Season ends today, Bailey hasn’t proven capable of being a solid 3rd line center imo to start the season. Hopefully Nielsen is resigned, because if he isn’t we have another huge hole to fill. Here is what we have “atm” as far as “legit non-ancient” UFA middle 6 Centers go for next year:

-Jarret Stoll 29yrs old=Great faceoff specialist/Good 3rd line checking center(but is no Nielsen). Not much offense, but should be able to fill-out a 3rd line offensively well(say expect 25-35pts) while being great on faceoffs and great defensively(+corsi with heavy d-zone draws).
-Grabovski 28yrs old=Quality offensive center with faceoff issues. Solid top 6 offensive producer. Would be an excellent offensive pickup.
-Chris Kelly 31yrs old=Good 3rd line checking center with mediocre offensive abilities.

So yeah, the field is barren. No one else is really quality imo, so the market is thin. This means, RESIGN NIELSEN ASAP. And likely run Bailey at C next year barring a big shakeup trade at/for C, or if Strome outplays Bailey at camp next year(defensively not likely, offensively possible).

I think eventually we will have a 1-2 punch. A lot of teams would take JT-Nielsen over their current set-ups, it’s not a bad combo at all. It’s just our bottom 6 centers are weak(hell our bottom 6 forwards as a whole have been pretty weak). I think the D is the real issue.

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by OzzyFan on Feb 1, 2012 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure who they would have got for a mere mil, that is unless someone else was willing to eat Hunter’s contract, otherwise i’d agree, Rolston has been a bust, strangely everyone over 30 other than Nabby has been a bust, Streit is having a bad season too.

To me, I want Neilson and Grabner dominating defensive zone starts. If their getting a lot of offensive zone starts, it is a problem and that needs to be resolved. Otherwise agreed, if Frans isn’t resigned, Bailey is the 3rd line centre next year, whereas I want him as 4th centre.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 2, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Morrow also help allow Isles to trade Lewis

Hard to believe Lane was once labelled the worst Dmen playing on the worst team (Washington).

by CanadianIsleslifer on Feb 2, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd for the history lesson

and Wayne Merrick reference.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Feb 2, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahh, I'm late but this was an excellent history lesson.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Feb 6, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And I Would Say No on Carter

Rick’s contract is bad enough. No way would I want Carter’s. One albatross per franchise. And I’ve still never heard a good reason why he was shipped out of Philly, while he’s now on the outs in Columbus? I wouldn’t take that on.

by rmblifn on Feb 1, 2012 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

I hate to say it but

either Bailey or Frans will have to be gone next season, but only if they bring in somebody better. Do not let either go and sign some other coul dbe, they have to sign someone legitimate.

Carter would be a great trade

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Feb 2, 2012 4:31 AM EST reply actions  

Next year?

No, they don’t need it for next year. They need to continue to be patient and see if some of these answers come from within. When you look at the system right now you think forward answers will come from within, but defense answers might need a trade. That could all change in a year or two if de Haan, Donovan, or Wishart make big strides, or guys further down the pike like Pedan or Mayfield can make the jump quickly, and guys like Strom and the Kirills flame out.

Who knows? Maybe Cizikas blossoms into a 75 point all-around player. But it’s too early to start thinking we NEED to make a move like this just in hopes of being the 8 seed next year.

by afrosupreme on Feb 2, 2012 8:18 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

agreed,

we have alot of centre’s in our system. resign frans and let our players develop

by DirtyIsle on Feb 2, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Bailey and Tim Connolly

This is an interesting article, but I still hope Bailey can be a 2nd line center. I was thinking earlier that he reminds me of Tim Connolly.
They were both early 1st round picks of the isles. Both were touted has having great stick handling and passing skills.
As I look at their stats for their 1st 3 years: JB: 34G, 54A, TimC: 34G, 86A. Eerily similar.
Would you take Connolly as your 2nd line center as he was for a while in Buffalo. His last 4 years in Buffalo , at ages 26-29 were 40, 47, 65 and 42 pts.

by NJLurker on Feb 2, 2012 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

no chance we trade for a center

its abundantly clear we need defense. the only defenseman who could hold a candle to anyone in the league this year was hammer

1 out of 6 defensemen is decent? that won’t fly. we need defense. if anything, we will trade a center FOR defense.

look at teams like the bruins or rangers (which i hate to admit). their offense is an offspring of a dominant defense who can move the puck faster than the opponents forwards. garth, please read this

I don't always blame Rolston...but when I do, he probably deserved it

by nyifan48 on Apr 18, 2012 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  


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