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Islanders Bits: Now Worrying about Calvin de Haan Injury

A couple of disappointing losses can erase the we-almost-won-four-in-a-row! feeling really quick, and send people turning to the future or the past (or the FanPosts, of which there are plenty). We'll have a fun history episode from Mark later today -- and he dug into the future with yesterday's prospect report -- but for moment there are pressing injury updates.

In reporting on Bridgeport's win yesterday -- they did manage a fourth consecutive win, though Kevin Poulin's shutout streak is over -- Michael Fornabaio of CTPost.com described how Calvin De Haan was lost for the game and possibly more: "dove to try to break up a play at the Providence blue line and slid all the way behind the goal, pointing to his shoulder."

All we know is CDH will be evaluated today, but if he has another shoulder issue then it adds yet another to the collection of worry dolls, de Haan having had his share of shoulder issues already at this early stage.

Star-divide

So the Islanders are 15th in the East (albeit with games in hand), 26th overall by points percentage, and the only bright spots are John Tavares and the fifth-ranked powerplay, which has a lot to do with Tavares. Two games short of the half-way mark, there's not much that will change much without reinforcements that require ... dealing what they can't afford to deal or a magical prospect call-up whose identity by no means clear.

On the injury front though, Arthur Staple reports in Newsday that concussion brothers Al Montoya and David Ullstrom are scheduled to resume practice today. Alas, neither is a defenseman (Montoya just occasionally bails them out).

Weekend Links: What of Wishart?

Like I said, when the losses return, people look for new topics to fix this thing. Speaking of:

Ty Wishart gets a lot of focus around here as fans wonder why he wasn't able to win a job in camp and build off last year's 20 games. This may have slipped through the cracks last week, but Fornabaio had a good update on the anniversary of the trade, with interesting insights throughout, including:

"I'm not getting in fights," Wishart said, "but I am using my body a little more. Being harder to play against, that's a big thing for me."

The biggest is skating.

"If he gets another step," Thompson said, "he becomes a true NHLer."

Add that and the other Thompson observations in that article to your Wishart file.

Around the League: Penguin Pain, Arniel Fired

UPDATE: The Blue Jackets have ((finally) fired Scott Arniel.

Oh, and speaking of rebuild talk: Copper & Blue's roundtable on surprises and disappointments from the Oilers' first half.

Penguin Pain: As much as you surely hate the Penguins, is there even the slightest bit of sympathy in your heart for a team losing Jordan Staal and James Neal in addition to Sidney Crosby? That's unreal. Then again, no one cries for the Isles when goalies knees go out and prospects wrench a shoulder (again) or break a pelvis. And of course the Islanders don't face the Penguins again until the end of March.

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If we're cloning our centers let's get greedy

I think we should do an even split with 2 Tavares’ and 2 Nielsens. We can get balanced scoring from the 1st and 2nd lines and then the 3rd and 4th lines will make it impossible for us to be scored on.

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by ArsenalLI on Jan 9, 2012 6:59 AM EST reply actions  

I can live with that.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Why is hammer playing on the 5-6 line? If we are going to have 5 charas then let hammer play top pair.

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

by Turgeon1992 on Jan 9, 2012 4:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The good news is, they've cloned Tavares, Kessler and Chara

The bad news is, DiPietro’s vying for another comeback!

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Jan 9, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not rejoicing over the Penguins injuries

That’s about all. In part for the reason you mention.

by Kaonashi on Jan 9, 2012 7:00 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

In the comments section some time ago...

….didn’t I see the words ‘projection’ and ‘de Haan’ in the same sentence?

by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Jan 9, 2012 7:09 AM EST reply actions  

If you did

Those responsible shall be shot on sight.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m not rejoicing over the pens injury woes either but I’m not feeling sympathy either. Few people mentioned the extent of the injury losses for the isles in previous as part of the many reasons they posted losing records. I’ll be sympathetic when the narrative changes. Or not at all.

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

by Turgeon1992 on Jan 9, 2012 7:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I would say we have more than just 1 promising player...

Tavares is above & beyond everyone but I wouldn’t say he’s our only promising player…KO, Moulson, Paps, and Hammer are all promising players…We just need more promise on defense…

by KO21 on Jan 9, 2012 8:01 AM EST reply actions  

The Second Half

The second half of 2011-12 needs to be an inventory of what is needed, and what has to be exposed to the trade deadline. They need to make those decisions quickly.
Some assumptions:
1. Rolston, Mottau, Pandolfo will not be Islanders in 2012-13.
2. Kabanov and Petrov will be available for the AHL in 2012-13.
3. Ty Wishart will no longer want to be in the AHL in 2012-13.

from those assumptions, these actions need to be taken:
1. When Dibenedetto returns to the BPT lineup, it’s time to see Rhett again. Ullstrom and Rakhshani should be on a line with Bailey. This is [possibly] a long term solution to a long standing problem. This will put Rolston in the press box. Wallace can be used along with haley to fill the fourth line role.

2. Reese is up, Wishart needs to be called up. Mottau needs to be put on waivers and sent to BPT. Wishart has to prove once and for all that he belongs in the NHL… or not. Reese can be the 7th D, rotating in as the guys get banged up.

3. Put frans and grabs back together… and use PAP on that line. Frans is the catalyst for Grabner Break-aways. He creates turnovers, and allows Grabner to be more positionally aggressive. PAP is not the possession machine that Okposo can be, but he can move the puck in the offensive zone. This spot will eventually be Nino’s, but he’s ot ready yet.

4. They have to keep shopping for D. This team will not improve next year unless they make a deal for a defenseman. History has proven that theycan not compete in the UFA market. The next six weeks need to turn up a defenseman that is signed through 2012-13 or maybe longer, that can play 20+ minutes and contribute on the PP.

5. After the deadline I’d give Donovan 5-10 games to see what he needs to improve to be an NHLer. He doens’t have the cap gap, but Katic should be back by then, and he is going to be a big part of their future… let him get a feel for what he needs to do to get there.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 8:02 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

You can put a few others on that list too.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 9, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

To add to this

I would like to see a little more Poulin and a lot less DP (when um healthy). Even if not Poulin due to logjam, still less DP and there is the cap ability right now to BPT him and open up that roster spot for the healthy scratch.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 9, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

At this point in the season

I am ready to see anything happen.

Given the team will need some vets next season, maybe 2, I would not like it to be Pandolfo, Rolston, Staios, or Mottau.

Like you said, we need defense.

I do not mind giving Eaton and Jurcina the 5/6 spot, and fighting for the spot between the BPT prospects. (Wishart, Donovan, Ness, Katic, ect) Though they need to get somebody else to help the top 4. Like you said, most likely the only way for that to happen is via trade and most likely with a West Coast team.

I like your plan, hopefully some of it is followed through.

by ghalbart on Jan 9, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

2012-13 Defense

Hamonic-Macdonald: This pair will grow together and improve together as long as they can both stay healthy.
Streit-Wishart/UFA: This is their biggest need.
donovan-katic

Jurcina(?), Eaton(?), Reese(?), deHaan.

If they don’t get into the UFA market or make a deal in the next 7 months that #4 spot probably goes to Wishart. If they do you can move Donovan down the depth chart where he can get some more experience in Bridgeport. Wishart should provide more than Gervais did in streit’s first two seasons… and he’s a bigger body and better skater than Staios… he just needs to be stronger, and SMARTER (which is the toughest attribute to improve).

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

That article about Wishart makes me think the Islanders are really taking the long view on some of the young guys, and I don’t necessarily have a problem with it. If they are thinking Wishart can be a key guy down the road, but needs to grow and find his game a little at the AHL level, then I think it’s smart to let him do that. Injuries forced him up last year, and he looked better than the crud they had been running out before him. I’m sure he’d also look better than the crud they are running out there right now, but maybe the Isles are sacrificing some short term success for the long haul. If that’s the case, then I’m fine with it.

Obviously, playing Nino could be seen a fly in this arguent’s ointment, but you coud argue they saw him able to develop more here than in Portland.

Additionally, it’s good to hear he’s using the body more, and that skating is his biggest issues, since that seems to be one of the easier hockey things to work on. Even if he doesn’t get the nod this year, I think it’s very likely we see him in opening night next year.

by afrosupreme on Jan 9, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wishart/Nino

Wishart is 23. He has 3 years (I think) of RFA status left. In the AHL he makes $60K, in the NHL he makes $800K. They have three vets above him that they’d have to pay the same amount regardless of where they play, unless they were picked up on waivers. This, IMHO, is the only reason Ty Wishart is in the AHL right now. If last year was any indication he was certainly better than the recovering Eaton and Mottau, and the social security eligible Staios.
I don’t think the Isles coaching staff needs to be taxed with teaching AAAA level players the basics, but he seemed to perform okay last year in his 20 games. The only thing he’s waiting for is Eaton and Mottau’s contract to expire.
Nino has a cap gap. He serves more of a purpose to reach the cap on a budget, than he does to reach the playoffs. He is taxing the coaching staff. His level of development should not be gained in the NHL, and if they are going to do things the right way, Nino should be in the AHL next year… unless, of course he progresses tremendously in the second half… then all bets are off.
They should have an opportunity to make early decisions on PAP and Nielsen before the deadline. I think both are worthy of contracts between $2-3M for 3 years max. That allows the organization to grow around them, and to re-assess their positions in two years. They are quality NHLers, and contributors to the teams growth… but if they don’t agree to terms by the end of January, they should both be shopped for organizational needs. Even if those are draft picks the Isles could use on draft day to package for a veteran defenseman.
It all comes down to asset management.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Nino should be in the AHL next year

Agree with that. He should be there this year too, but can’t. That said, I don’t see how he can be a significant burden on the coaching staff. They can ignore nearly half the roster.

Regarding Wishart, Reese has a two-way deal also, so he could have been the callup any of those times as well. It might be a cost saving maneuver, but winning games doesn’t need to be the priority for the NHL club. I have no problem with that being on the back burner for player development right now.

by afrosupreme on Jan 9, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Hockey 101
I don’t see how he can be a significant burden on the coaching staff.

I look at it as tutoring system. The Isles have really failed in the past to have on-ice tutors for their “rebuild” students.
JT, Bailey and Okposo had Guerin (who didn’t want to be around Gordon anymore), Weight (the country club pro) and a couple of vets that weren’t about to teach them how to be top six forwards. When you don’t have that element on the team those players need to be staged into their profession.
The best forwards on this team are basically learning themselves. The only pros they have above 25, that may be with the team long term are Moulson, Parentau and Nielsen. Right now they need Nielsen’s line to be productive, so Nino gets Reasoner as a mentor. He’d be better off getting Thompson as a coach, in an environment where the whole team is getting lessons on how to be a professional hockey player.
The NHL staff needs to be working on improving strategies (forechecks, PP, PK…how to work against individual teams on the schedule.)… not how to forecheck, where your stick needs to be when you’re backchecking, how to read your defenseman in the offensive zone(do you cover for a pinch, or remain part of the offensive play)…. this should be mostly instinct at the NHL level.
But I’m just assuming that stuff. Maybe the only thing that is important at the pro level is how much of a cap hit you have, and how much they actually have to pay you.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He was as big a help...

as Sim and Witt. All three of those guys were brought in to help a team run by a coach trying to make the playoffs. Their roles shifted in 2008-09, and I don’t think any of them were happy.
Witt had very little left in the tank, so very little leverage to change his own situation.
Guerin saw himself as a high school senior in kindergarten… and didn’t like the teacher.
Sim was trying to keep an NHL career alive. He was going to be a top six forward in Nolanville, and he was seen as an enigma in Gordonville. The only player they have that could have learned anything from Sim was Dibenedetto… and he seems to have mastered those skills in junior.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i got it second hand, but my second hand source was very well connected to someone in the dressing room at the time

that there was a problem there with Guerin and the kids…can’t say more than that or i’ll get my ass kicked lol

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 9, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't push this...

but the only “kids” they had in that 2008-09 season were Bailey(18) and Okposo(20). The other younger guys who got significant time with the isles were Comeau(22) and Tambellini(24).
The only significant personality difference i see in that group would be Comeau, who was probably shopping for window treatments while Guerin was organizing team card games.
I could see him having an issue with any of them being there, as none of them were truly NHL ready yet… though kyle led the forwards (Doug and Bill incluuded) in scoring that year.
So I could see a clear problem with the organization… but not with the kids themselves.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

what i was told was there was a dressing room problem with him and the young players….

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 9, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Guerin's Walkman?

There are only a few issues that are specific to the locker room (I think)
Music… Guerin was the captain, so he would have had first iPod rights (assuming).
Location… Guerin being the captain probably wanted to be between his buddy Weight and RDP so he could monitor his txt msgs for leftovers on the road.
Shame… and McNulty could have always claimed, “SHRINKAGE!!!!”

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Forcing them to chug, chug, chug too much?

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by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Nino gets Reasoner as a mentor. He’d be better off getting Thompson as a coach, in an environment where the whole team is getting lessons on how to be a professional hockey player.

I don’t know if Reasoner is so bad. Seems fair to think he’s had a pretty good effect on Martin this year.

I think for a good team, yes, ideally the coaching staff is focusing on the strategy stuff. For a bad team full of young players, I think there is still a lot of teaching going on, which is part of why Cappy is probably a much better choice for this team right now than a top coach. I still think the Islanders are in a position where they need to be focusing on positioning their talent for success down the road, rather than winning games right now.

by afrosupreme on Jan 9, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Chicken/Egg

If you want an AHL coach to run your NHL team you’re going to get an AHL team while people demand an NHL coach.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

This, IMHO, is the only reason Ty Wishart is in the AHL right now.

I got the impression the Islanders and Brent Thompson think there’s more to it than that. Otherwise not try him over Dylan Reese for the previous emergencies this year?

As to Grabner-Frans: I’m actually not opposed to the thought experiment of splitting them up, spreading the love (I know, unfortunately that means Rolston gets more exposure than he deserves). But if his groin is still nagging him I don’t want him playing with anyone.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

It's part of the BSA...

I really don’t care what they say anymore. The fun is going by what history shows as the reality of each situation. The salaries are facts, as their assessment of his development can be spun 20 different ways. Meanwhile they have 3 relatively mediocre (mottau is far less than mediocre) players above him on the depth chart, as they are trying to develop 3 AHL rookies (Donovan, deHaan and Ness) with guys like Katic hurt, and middling AHL/ECHLers being brought in to help as well.
Last year I think we were clear that the hierarchy was Katic, Wishart and (at the very end) Reese. Now they seem to have thrown that out, and are making cap/budget based decisions over decisions that put the best players in the NHL.
I think Grabner-Frans is a pair that adds to each other’s strengths more than what we realized at first. Frans does not add as much in the offensive zone as people would like to believe, but generates more offense from the nuetral zone than anybody else on the team. Grabner is the biggest benefactor of that attribute. These are two forwards that are far greater defensive assets than they are offensive weapons… except when they’re together. Well… that’s my opinion anyway.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Which hierarchy
Last year I think we were clear that the hierarchy was Katic, Wishart and (at the very end) Reese.

Clear how? The team’s hierarchy, or fanbase’s?

Since there’s little difference, salary-wise between Reese and Wishart, I don’t buy money being the factor. (FWIW, Katic makes the most of all three of them.) Is it what keeps Mottau over one of them? Yes, I can buy that — that and the team’s historic troubles evaluating its own defensemen. (Given that, I can’t help thinking we’d get an unwelcome surprise if we got all the AHL auditions we pine for.)

Regardless, I get that the team is cheap, but they could be a helluva lot cheaper if they really wanted to: They could have sent Nino back and not him squat (yes, his potential bonuses are a cap inflator, but there are other ways to get players who have bigger cap hits than actual salaries). They are unquestionably tight on the purse-strings, but I there is more to it, and it’s fun to suss out what is cheapness and what is poor evaluation.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was clear...

Did you not think that Katic was one of their better call-ups, then Wishart, then Reese.
Reese is the current choice because he is the most urgent decision. He’s a UFA after this season, so they’ll need to extend him if he can be the safety net next year that they let go last year (Marty, Hillen). He also replaces Staios (as Streit’s partner) easier because he’s RH. Otherwise they move Jurcina up and let a LH play with Eaton.
I don’t want to argue that Reese is only making $635K in the NHL… you’d hate to think that your GM was making roster decisions to save $175K on a $50M payroll… and we’re talking about a few weeks… so.. literally pennies.
Whether it be Reese or Wishart, the problem isn’t which one of them they promote. The problem is that they don’t want to sit Eaton, Mottau or Staios for any of them because it would raise their expenses. Sitting any of them now doesn’t save a penny… they still ahve to pay those guys the one way rate.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Reese > Wishart

so far as quality of callup – and current level of quality/ability to contribute

by Cary K on Jan 9, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, we're on the same page there

(Regarding penny difference between callups vs. axing a full-cost Mottau).

But honestly, coming into the season I couldn’t have told you with confidence the hierarchy there: I’d have thought Wishart > Katic > Reese but not with confidence since each of them just had < 20-game blips last year where even Bruno Gervais or Mike Mottau can look competent. (I wasn’t really high on Katic, but in retrospect I miss his simple puck mobility that Staios and Eaton lack so severely.)

And I really don’t know what the team thought coming in; I figured they were high on Wishart but then when Wishart didn’t last long in camp and Reese was the last man standing, I figured I’d either misread their view or they were disappointed in Ty, if I may call him Ty, Ty.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The order isn't really important...

It’s the fact that they must have had the mobility role covered by any one of the three… That’s why you let Hillen walk, right? You don’t let him go as a 6/7 guy with just Eaton and Mottau in your plans.
This is going back to the BS agenda… and Snow says that he would have liked to have kept Hillen in a supporting role… yeah… a 2 way, where they could bury him for $60K if they were able to land something better… because they had three guys they could do that with already.
If you have to pay Mottau and Eaton, and they’re healthy, why eat a $600K contract… but Hillen took a two way from Nashville, so that BS doesn’t even work. But I think Hillen covered his arse by making it a $100K AHL salary, meaning he’d have to pass through waivers to get back up.
When Katic gets hurt, they really didn’t have a reason to eat either of Eaton or Mottau’s contract… better teams would do it. If for nothing else, to give a guy who has paid his AHL dues a shot to prove he belongs. Not the Islanders… no… they need them to prove they belong in the NHL by playing with rookie AHLers… under a rookie coach… with limited offensive help now that they’ve called up two productive forwards and have two injured.
Do the fans really deserve this? Give them something to get excited about… or at least show that you are evaluating your future. Otherwise… back to square one in July.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Hillen's AHL salary is $105k with Nashville - does *not* require re-entry

…which is the max while not requiring re-entry waivers. That’s how that works. (And for what it’s worth, on Hillen’s Islanders contract, his AHL salary was $550,000. Perhaps that’s why he wasn’t qualified? They wanted to start over if they retained him?)

Hillen signed Aug. 8. That means he was on the market looking for other deals through most of free agency. I can think of a lot of routes Snow could have wanted HIllen back in a depth role that wasn’t at the level of his previous contract, yet Hillen went shopping for something better elsewhere … and got what he got. Who knows?

“BS” on everything is one of several possibilities that might explain how things went down with depth defensemen. Tim Wallace makes $105k at the AHL level. They made the rare (move for the Isles) to lure him with that rate in the offseason. Is that why he’s on the NHL roster, because by god they’re paying him $105k anyway?

Some people say he outright sucks, and some say he serves a nice role. I find that spectrum applies to a lot of their decisions, which tells me it’s not always BS, it’s just different evals around the edges of the roster.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 10, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess you don't think that it's BS...

Wallace is up because they really didn’t have any other options at forward with Dibo and colliton hurt. He was a depth signing that was going to help guys like Ullstrom, Rhett and Casey produce in the AHL… turns out they needed him in the NHL.
He most likely goes back to the AHL when Ullstrom is back. If they eat Pandolfo’s salary I’d be surprised.
With Hillen, don’t you think it’s an insult to offer him a two way after he lef the team in games played last year? He’s not a kid anymore. When his agent tells him, “a two way with the Isles means you’re going into an unfair competition with eaton and mottau” he really has to shop. If he gets a one way again, mottau is no longer an islander… is that such a bad situation… but they are paying his salary.
Some teams can eat $6M, some can’t eat $800K unless they are dinner guests.

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by JPinVA on Jan 10, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

It might be an insult

But it turns out it was a proper read of his market asking price, wasn’t it? And if the Isles are already eating one-way contracts on the blueline, maybe that was a reason to not add one more that could blow up in their faces?

I just don’t think it’s as conclusive as you make it what’s BS and what’s sincere and different evaluation. They seem to sincerely think Nino is best served by developing here; some of us don’t agree, some of us think that’s not ideal but has a chance at where he can make progress.

Just taking Pandolfo: My read of the scenario is he doesn’t make the team if Capuano doesn’t like what he did in camp. Capuano uses him in a specific role. They might be crazy, but they seem to think he serves that as well as anyone from BPT would, or that it’s important to keep a stopgap until BPT guys are ready.

They may be wrong, but a lot of these don’t seem to be purely money-based. Hell, they may stem from a super-loyalty complex they seem to have with a lot of guys. I can’t tell how much the money commitment clouds their judgment in each individual case, but given injuries and other contract tricks you can play, I don’t assume it’s the main driver in every case.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 10, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never understood the love for Katic, who hasn't proven anything @ NHL level

the Hillen move is one I never grasped or agreed with. I know he isn’t a highend D, but he was a fast puckmover, and unlike the other multiple smallish guys in the system for this purpose, Hillen proved what he could do, we had an idea of what to expect going in. Katic on the other hand is a complete unknown commodity. I don’t even consider Katic a player when I think of the Isles prospects (including all under 25 players).

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 10, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

This is [possibly] a long term solution to a long standing problem. This will put Rolston in the press box.

While I agree with you here that a line of Ullstrom-Bailey-Rhett would be a drastic improvement over whatever line Rolston would be on, I just don’t see it happening. Cappy seems steadfast on inserting Rolston into whatever goddamn line he wants despite his complete and utter ineffectiveness.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jan 9, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

It's just a hope at this point...

but Rolston’s play has improved… but he has already been the wrench in the machine for way too long.
What does an amazing [Rolston] second half get you… 10 goals in 40 games? Whoopee!
What does a terrible second half by Ullstrom and /or Rhett get you… MORE INFORMATION on the organizations’ needs in June(draft) and July(UFA).
This training camp they lost two of their best prospects (for 2011-12) in camp (Katic, Rhett). Ullstrom proved to be due an opportunity last year, but he had some time. Katic and Rhett are late in their development and need opportunities to show if they belong in the NHL. Rhett is at the AAAA stage already, he needs 20 or so games to show that he is going to be a valuable depth forward (Tambellini) or maybe more (Blake) going forward. He has good speed, awareness and hands, but they won’t know for sure until he’s in the bowl with the big fish. That is so much more important than Rolston or Pandolfo “teaching the kids how to win”… that’s just a JOKE.
The biggest plus… if Rolston doesn’t get plucked off of waivers his salary will count against the cap. A press box seat is the safest, but if they could pass him through waivers, boy could he teach those bridgeport kids how to ride a bus.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Cappy has shown that he's willing to sit the vets when he wants to

except for Rolston. It’s strange and I really don’t understand it, and this is coming from a guy who actually thinks Rolston’s done better since returning from his injury. He’s the most infuriating player on the Top 9 because I have absolutely no idea what kind of player he’s supposed to be or how he’s supposed to gel with his linemates. The guy is a talent cipher with a nice, hard slapshot. That’s it.

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by Fabtraption on Jan 9, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Cappy had more input...

when the team was more desperate. Now that he may appear to have more “choice”, the terms are dictated by a GM who needs to justify his first HORRENDOUS deal.
Most people here saw Rolston as an upgrade with added value in respect to getting to the cap floor. It’s turning out, as I thought it was… a DOWNGRADE, with the added value going to the Devils who were able to solve their CAP CEILING issues.
Rolston hasn’t been an upgrade from anybody, and I see it as them trying to keep that $5M from being another punch line. It’s not working. I’d have much rather had Hunter, and have them over-pay Erhoff by $2M for three years to keep to the cap floor.
They’d still have Comeau and Hunter, probably more time for Ullstrom, Haley and Rhett…. which also means… NO JAY PANDOLFO.
My scenario removes all three ex-devils. Cappy won last year with ZERO ex-devils as Mottau was hurt. So I think he’d rather manage his lineup without having to use them this year.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still stunned how certain you are of that trade

“HORRENDOUS” re: two below-average NHLers just doesn’t fit for me. A wash at best. A (not unreasonable) gamble that an already slow Hunter post-surgery would be an Eaton on the payroll for two years at worst.

There really isn’t a true dichotomy between Rolston:Hunter and paying Ehrhoff more though: Ehrhoff apparently wanted a contract for life and an up-front payment of $10 million for this season — and that’s to play for a team with better promise and an owner openly announcing his intention to spend to the cap.

I don’t get Capuano’s reliance (or, per theory, the Code Red ordered by Snow) on Rolston for so many minutes early in the season, but it’s hard for me to see anything more sinister than another stopgap they overrated. The irony is that except when he’s used on the PP and occasional first line (sending Kings fans into Rolston-level rage), Hunter is getting more of the role I’d hoped Rolston would have here: Bottom six, keep-it-simple guy.

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by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The garbage heap...

There is the top of the heap.. where the ECLAIR’S with one bite taken out exist. These are your Molson’s, your Grabner’s, your Parentau’s… add to that most of the AHLer’s signed over the past three years. Limited risk, high potential reward.
Then there is the bottom of the heap. The kind that you have to emerce yourself in the garbage to find. So when you pull out a week old bag of wonder bread your friends all laugh at you… because they all knew it was moldy before it was thrown out. To save face YOU EAT IT! You make sandwiches out of it, ruining the peanut butter you found, and making the bologna you bought taste like MOLD.
You’ve already spent your risk, you’re covered in shit! Though you think you’re getting the benefit of a loaf of bread… what you’re actually doing is making yourself sick by eating moldy bread. No benefit at all.. and you smell like shit.
The only guy who really benefits is your neighbor Lou… who bet all the other neighbors that you’d be dumb enough to climb into a pile of garbage to get a “still wrapped loaf of bread”… hell, he probably doubled down by betting them that YOU WOULD EAT IT TOO!
What’s funny is that LOU could have made this deal at the draft table and swapped picks as a sweetner to get rid of his cap disaster. But no… then he couldn’t laugh so LOUD, or so LONG and with the a fresh loaf of artisan bread under his arm.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Comeau, Hunter, Haley, Rhett

none of them would have helped any

Ullstrom got his full chance when he deserved it

the only argument could be that we could have spent the Rolston minus Hunter cap space better – but Garth likely had no easy way of doing that

by Cary K on Jan 9, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

There's nothing better...

than your well thought out, heavily supported by fact, and overly entertaining opinions.

none of them would have helped any

Why did they even choose hockey as a vocation? Comeau didn’t score 24 goals last year, Hunter isn’t playing in a similar role in LA, Rhett didn’t have 4 successful years in Denver and a succesful rookie campaign in Bridgeport and Haley didn’t have packed houses chanting his name on a nightly basis… what was I thinking? I really should have consulted with you first.

Ullstrom got his full chance when he deserved it

I don’t think anybody would argue this. The difference is that his opportunity would have come with somebody else that might be in the lineup next year… you know… to build continuity.

the only argument could be that we could have spent the Rolston minus Hunter cap space better – but Garth likely had no easy way of doing that

That is really the only argument that I am making. The fact that he wasn’t able to, is a reflection of his abilities. The FACT that he has been unable to upgrade the defense with players in their prime is another reflection of his abilities. He had a plan, he is sticking to it, but his execution leaves a lot to be desired.

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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I know there's been a mixed bag of people reviewing Wishart

But I still put him in the same boat as Montoya last year. The guys bounced around 3 different AHL teams, and it’s been 4 years since he graduated from the WHL. Might as well give him a chance in the NHL to sink or swim.

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by Mark D on Jan 9, 2012 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

This. Soooo This.

I don’t subscribe to the “Well he needs a chance and maybe he’ll perform better” theory, as you know. But Wishart is 24. We have 3 defensive prospects in the AHL, in addition to 3 d men signed for at least the next 2 years. He’s not young….and he should be UP HERE so we know WHAT THE HELL WE HAVE.

Same with Dylan Reese btw. If you want to argue the kids should stay at the Bridge…well, I’d disagree with you, but you have an argument. But Reese-Wishart should be up here and playing.

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by garik16 on Jan 9, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't have a problem

letting defensemen stew. Lots of those guys come on much later than forwards. Like I said above, it’s highly unlikely they actually think Mike Mottau is better than Wishart. But they may think Wishart will get better, faster playing at BP.

by afrosupreme on Jan 9, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

If we had no other D prospects,I'd agree with you....

but we do. Wishart’s had plenty of time, let’s see what he can do.

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by garik16 on Jan 9, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather we trade him

if he has any value left – the guy is either a bust or needs more time

by Cary K on Jan 9, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i think we already know what we get in reese

and it isn’t consistent enough to merit regular nhl play, and yes, i realize that can be said of mottau et al…i would argue mottau is no longer and nhl defenseman as well.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 9, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

FYI - Wishart is 23

But point taken.

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by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm glad de Haan is getting hurt playing tough in the AHL instead of the NHL.

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by garik16 on Jan 9, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

Tough?

Should that be “though” (else I’m confused by the point).

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by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take a guess

Reinforcing the point above, that CDH should be in the NHL so the isles could see what they had in him. Now they might not be able to (save for that small stretch), pending shoulder diagnosis.

If anything, it may reinforce the concern that he is too injury-prone.

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by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 9, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Would CDH have been less injury prone at the NHL level?

He got hurt, could have been in the AHL or NHL. I think playing at the NHL level before being ready would have made him even more likely to be injured.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 10, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd have to agree with you

I’ve always believed Connelly’s career injuries has a lot to do with him being in the NHL as a scronny 18 year old, absorbing hits from men when his body was not ready.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 10, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

“As much as you surely hate the Penguins, is there even the slightest bit of sympathy in your heart for a team losing Jordan Staal and James Neal in addition to Sidney Crosby?”

The team that bashes the Isles to this day for being injured themselves and having the NERVE to call up their top scorer from the AHL?
Screw them- they sure as shit didnt feel bad for the Isles, and we have dealt with more injury over the last helf decade than any other team, ever.

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by TheMetalChick on Jan 9, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As much as you surely hate the Penguins, is there even the slightest bit of sympathy in your heart for a team losing Jordan Staal and James Neal in addition to Sidney Crosby? That’s unreal.

Is laughter a sign of sympathy?

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by Fabtraption on Jan 9, 2012 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

Do the Penguins still have Malkin?

Who’s better than 99% of the league?

Do they still have Fleury, who’s a top 10 goalie?

Is their coach still Dan Bylsma?

Do they play in a brand new arena and have the undying adoration of their loyal fanbase?

Yes?

Then no, I don’t feel too bad. When they play Joey McDonald and Yann Danis for a season, hire and fire another coach and play in front of crowds smaller than some kids birthday parties, let me know.

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by PGI on Jan 9, 2012 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

Even their fanbase doesn't think half of them are "loyal."

But the rest of your post ws right on. What are we supposed to feel sorry for?

They have everything we don’t, even without those guys.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 9, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

CBJ have fired coach Scott Arniel

Todd Richards will coach Columbus
from Elliotte Friedman

by noomz on Jan 9, 2012 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

Three coaches in three years

Hitchcock fired in 2010
Arniel fired in 2012
Richards fired in ??

They need to hire an NHL coach.

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by Fabtraption on Jan 9, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

So 7-4 loss to Anaheim is what it takes

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by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

The Cappy haters

were only a couple of goal short.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 9, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Every team goes through injuries in the NHL, it is part of the game, unfortunately

this is why depth is so important. one of the problems though, is that fans tend to focus on their own team, and get the depressing feeling their team is the only one it happens to, then develop conspiracy theories, like believing their team is cursed. I’d like to see a study on whether or not injuries have increased under “the new NHL” as I suspect.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 9, 2012 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

On the Penguins

I just need the Rags to not win the Stanley Cup so any team getting weaker in the East makes me nervous. I don’t care who wins, as long as it’s not the Rags.

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by Pauly C on Jan 9, 2012 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

The hockey gods

If they promise that they will guarantee no cup for the Rangers if I vow to not watch another Isles game this season, I’m on board.

Sadly, the deal could easily be I’d have to watch every minute of this destined-for-lottery season and it would be as much of a sacrifice.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 9, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

"vow to not watch another Isles game this season,"

is that supposed to be a sacrifice?

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 9, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you...

It sucks that it has come to this. But it looks like all we have left to cheer for is winning the lottery, and anyone playing against the Rags.

Eff the flightless waterfowl. I’m still pissed about last year. They knew damn well they had that beatdown coming, and still they played the hapless victim card.

by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 9, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

not me, screw the lottery

the top 2 picks will be Russians, followed by a Swede named Forsberg…i want the 4th or 5th pick so that this year we get a Dman, i like Dumba, though Murray will probably be the first Dman. I’m just uneasy about drafting a Russian 1st or 2nd overall, and I don’t believe Nail is going to be OV.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 9, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree with that...

At the moment, I am a Dumba guy. But I still want to win the lottery. Do like the Devils did last year. Move from 7th to 3rd, or something like that. I still have a hard time believing we will finish in the bottom 5 this year, but…

by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 9, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Ryan Murray

seems to have it all.

Played a shut-down role with the Canadians and did that well (except against the Russians). But plays a much more offensive style of play with Everett. Also showed at the WJC that he can hit as well.

by DavidSweden on Jan 9, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

very high on Murray

In a way, his struggles at WJC could help him slide a bit to the Isles (we hope).

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by mikb on Jan 9, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

re: "screw the lottery"
i want the 4th or 5th pick so that this year we get a Dman

why not win the lottery and move down twice to grab your man?!?!
no one here would have any trouble with that strategy because it all worked out so well before in 2008.

Prospect injury report: Nail Yakupov injured his knee in the Gold Medal game last week – was supposed to have an MRI this weekend according to his agent Igor Larionov. Now joins Sarnia Sting’s other top prospect Alex Galchenyuk with his knee injury.

by noomz on Jan 9, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Nail won't be OV. Nail will be Nail. He's averaging over 2 points a game in the OHL right now.

The last player to do that with similar size to Nail was Patrick Kane, who posted a ridiculous 2.5 points per game. Nail is known for being stronger and playing tougher than Kane did though. Adding a player like Nail would give Tavares some almost guaranteed elite talent to play with. You’ve gotta draft the BPA, and not worry about team needs.

by nyislanders93 on Jan 9, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

And hey, his name is NAIL!!!

How much fun could we have with that. Plus he seems like a great kid, that interview after the Canada game was just fantastic. Lot’s of fun toys in lotteryland.

by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 9, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

2nd line of the future

Kabanov-Petrov-Yakupov

not gonna happen

Ryan Murray

by Cary K on Jan 9, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm thinking Vancouver

If the big four out West don’t tear each other apart on the road to the finals first.

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by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

this year's final could be

Boston – San Jose

if Boston can beat the Rangers that is

by Cary K on Jan 9, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

So it the NHL not going to suspend Marchand for his illegal hit?

Salo has a concussion, and everybody knows that was dirty.

I haven’t heard a word though.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 9, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

The hearing is today

DarrenDreger: Things may change, but Marchand hearing appears to be the only one scheduled today.

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by Francesca on Jan 9, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

phone hearing

Therefore no more than five games, and likely fewer.

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by mikb on Jan 9, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It should have been 20 games.

He made Salo choose between a concussion or a destroyed knee:
Link

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 9, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

On that note, anyone know the story with Lucic's game misconduct being rescinded?

Is that because the Bruins play old-time hockey? (I didn’t see why he was tossed to begin with … was it leaving the bench to brawl?)

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by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

What at first seemed like him coming off the bench to fight

was actually him coming off the bench for his usual line change. I haven’t seen it, either. But that’s the explanation.

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by PGI on Jan 9, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He only had one skate off the ice, I think

From what I saw (and what the NHL decided) a 10-game suspension wasn’t just.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 9, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

With Columbus firing Arniel...

…that’s both teams worse than the Islanders have changed coaches, as well as Carolina. Hopefully the Isles are next.

by Chin Ho on Jan 9, 2012 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

*shakes head*

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 9, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

hells yeah!

Stupid neophyte coaches! Like Todd McLellan, getting the Sharks into the playoffs his first three years! And Randy Carlyle, winning a Cup in his second-ever year, with Anaheim! And that ignorant Dan Bylsma winning it in his first-ever year, with Pittsburgh!

Clearly, the Isles are just a coach away from going 81-0-1 on the year.

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by mikb on Jan 9, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

McLellan: not that much a neophyte

had NHL experience and success in minors prior to that:

In 6 seasons with Swift Current, the Broncos qualified for the WHL playoffs in all seasons. McLellan himself was named WHL Executive of the Year in 1997 and Coach of the Year in 2000.
In 2001, McLellan and his staff were transferred to the Wild’s new minor league affiliate, the Houston Aeros of the AHL. As coach of the Aeros, McLellan led Houston to the Calder Cup in 2003.
In 2005, Mike Babcock selected McLellan to serve as his assistant with the Detroit Red Wings. In Detroit, McLellan was tasked with handling the Red Wings’ forwards and managing the team’s power play, as well as reporting player performance to head coach Babcock. Under his watch, the Red Wings had the top-ranked power play in the NHL, finishing first in power play efficiency in 2005–06 and third in 2007–08. McLellan would also achieve his first Stanley Cup with the Red Wings in 2007–08

Capuano’s resume does not read like that prior to becoming Isles interim head coach.

Carlyle: not a neophyte to the NHL

Carlyle played 17 seasons in the NHL with the Toronto Maple Leafs, Pittsburgh Penguins and Winnipeg Jets. He appeared in 1055 games and earned 647 points. Won the Norris Trophy as the league’s top defenceman in 1981. At the conclusion of his playing career in 1993, Carlyle remained with the Jets organization, eventually becoming an assistant coach for the 1995–96 season.
Carlyle spent six seasons (1996–2001 & 2004–2005) as head coach of the Manitoba Moose, earning a career mark of 222–159–52–7 with the franchise. He had the additional duties of General Manager of the Moose from 1996–2000, adding the title of club President for the 2001–2002 season. He helped the Moose to a 47–21–14 record for 108 points in 1998–99, for which he was named the IHL’s General Manager of the Year.
2001–2002 season, Carlyle joined the Washington Capitals as an assistant coach.
2004–2005 head coach of the Manitoba Moose, the Canucks’ AHL affiliate. In 2004–2005, he led the Moose to a 44–26–3–7 record (.613 winning percentage) and an appearance in the Calder Cup Semi-Finals.

Bylsma is the closest to Capuano’s limited and uneventful NHL background.
Capuano’s biggest achievement as a coach may have been coaching the 1998 ECHL All-Star Game. in 08/09 Bridgeport finished 2nd in East and then loss in the 1st round (1-4). Not sure why he inspires so much faith. Resume looks thin.

by noomz on Jan 9, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The point was

These are all guys who came from the AHL and had success in the NHL. People lately are talking like you have to have been an NHL head coach in order to be fit to be an NHL head coach. It’s not that simple. Even the guys you looked at in more depth: Carlyle won a Norris Trophy and played 17 NHL seasons; McLellan played five games. (He was an Islander, FWIW.) And none of the three was an NHL head coach before his successful first gig.

You could add Glen Gulutzan and Mike Yeo to the list – at least provisionally. Jury’s still out on them, but early returns are pleasant… hm, just like Capuano last season.

I get that the others had deeper resumes. My point is that someone had to be the first to give them a gig and a chance to succeed or fail. And there are plenty of retread coaches that never do this well. Are they supposed to be automatically better coaches? Or was it more that they took over teams with a lot of elite talent and deep defensive lines?

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by mikb on Jan 9, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

two words

Brent Thompson

keep an eye on this guy

by Cary K on Jan 9, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He's got AHL experience

Already prepping for his future role as coach of the New York Islanders.

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by Fabtraption on Jan 9, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if you noticed...

but the Islanders were the first team in this group to change their coach…. they did it last year.
You’re going to have to live with a coach who gave us all hope last year until the roster improves. No other coach in their right mind would take this job knowing that the status of their defensive depth chart, and the fact that the team is making roster decisions based on budget and cap floor restrictions.

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
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by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You're saying Hitchcock wasn't just waiting for Garth's call?

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by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No Answer

The number one reason no coach answers Garth Snow’s calls….

CALLER ID!

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA

by JPinVA on Jan 9, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Stupid Technology.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 9, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe both sides are right

GM Snow needs to take blame for the roster he put together this year…
&
Cappy has made his fair of mistakes as a coach this year.
Whats there to say about this team inability to play a 60 minute game? That falls on the coach.

by BattFist on Jan 9, 2012 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

Unless the problem is not enough talent to fill 60 minutes of shifts

I honestly don’t think the issue has been effort/60 minutes etc. for most of this year. They play hard, they play mostly energetically, they just can’t afford mistakes or shifting “off” without paying for it.

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by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

True...not a full NHL roster.

This team gets burnt for their mistakes.

But where’s Cappy’s "identity with this team? Im not a fan of “shoot the puck at the net its bound to go in” strategy.

by BattFist on Jan 9, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The identity he wants appears to be

Simple passes and chips, get the puck deep, get it on net, make the other team work all 200 feet and increase you chances.

It’s not great to just shoot from anywhere, necessarily, but it has been proven over time that generating more shots over the long haul equals more goals and more chances to win. Obviously this team is not getting that done. My personal suspicion is that the combo of collapsing defense and poor puck-moving/mobility-challenged blueliners leaves the offense as less of a threat than it otherwise would be.

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by Dominik on Jan 10, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey mark, next time you write about

Next time you write abou Milbury, can you not beat around the bush so much and just say what's on your mind?

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 9, 2012 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

wrong thread

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 9, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

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Poulin recalled on emergency basis, Nilsson returned to AHL. Look for KP to start against Red Wings?

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by edavidmorris on Jan 9, 2012 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

DID YOU GUYS SEE........

“Money Ball?” Lot of stuff in that movie reminds me of the Isle’s problems. It all starts with money and a small franchise budget. But its the old horse and carrige story about which comes first. Well the truth is that both counties of LI have a bigger population and per capita income than the majority of NHL franchises. The question is: if we had a better team would we get a new Arena? and then would attendance improve? May be, but we do know now that being at the bottom in pay roll and near the bottom in the standings is leading to the demise of the team and possible loss of our team on the Island. Is Wang a victim of trying desperately to save the franchise or is he the last in the line of villians along with Milbury who destroyed it. That answer is only a couple of years away.

by altosax on Jan 9, 2012 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

Islanders send Anders Nillsson back down to the AHL

Recall Kevin Poulin.
While im ecstatic that we get to see Poulin play again, i kinda feel bad for Anders. He gets called up only to sit on the bench for 2 weeks and watch the starter give up 4 goals in back to back games (he probably should have started against Phoenix to give Nabby some rest)

"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992

by Zhora on Jan 9, 2012 5:58 PM EST reply actions  

He gets a drastically higher salary for doing so…and with everyone healthy he woudnt have a shot at that, so dont feel bad for him. He is a kid and newbie kid goalies pretty much all go through things like this.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 10, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  


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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.

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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.

Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.

1981-82


May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.

A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.

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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.

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