Coyotes 5, Islanders 1: Hand Shane Doan His Hat Trick
The Islanders were a full minus-5 at even strength, their only tally coming on the powerplay as Frans Nielsen shoveled in the garbage after nice work from John Tavares and P.A. Parenteau.
That was the Isles and Parenteau's lone highlight, as both had a tough night -- Parenteau's being augmented by a minus-3 (he lost his man on the first Coyotes goal) and a couple of frustration penalties with the game out of hand and the Coyotes objecting to his presence int he crease. Final: 5-1.
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To cap the insult (or salvage some fun, if you're just a hockey fan looking for a cool story), Shane Doan finally reached an in-game milestone he'd failed to reach through 1160 NHL games and 300+ goals in his long career: Completing his first career hat trick.
This was the 39th time he'd scored twice in one game, but managing three tonight took all 60 minutes to achieve.
Adding a bit of fun to the script, Doan -- who opened scoring in the second minute of the game and opened the lead with a breakaway in the second minute of the second period -- finished his hat trick as time expired and the buzzer sounded, Evgeni Nabokov looking at the long shot like he thought it was over or he'd received a gratuity.
The Islanders actually outshot the Coyotes 32-25, but that was with six shots on the powerplay and chasing the game from behind for two periods. Every line was victimized, every defensive pair (and Nabby) had their moment under the red light. Matt Martin was the lone player to escape a minus.
Playing a better team on the second night of a road back-to-back, the Islanders were ripe for the taking and they were taken.
The Islanders fall to 14-19-6, still in 15th in the East (though with four games in hand on their minus-34 brothers the Hurricanes), 6-10-3 on the road now with two tough home games against Detroit and Philadelphia coming up.
Sure makes the blown lead to the Ducks sting extra bad, doesn't it?
If there's a bright side, with another PPG the Islanders' powerplay has quietly climbed to the fifth-best conversion rate in the league. Absent a fully equipped blueline corps, they're probably going to need that to continue.
(I guess the other bright side is Tavares is still a nightly threat, and Kevin Poulin just got his third consecutive shutout for Bridgeport.)
Cheers to the Captain
Cheers to Doan -- and to Dave Tippett for running him out there to try (Doan's previous shift was 1:49 long, his final shift consuming the final 59 seconds of the game) -- for finally making it rain hats. Numbed by the rest of the game's activity, that was at least a neat hockey sight to see.
(Good footage of it in the highlights below).
Game Highlights
Other than all that though, it was just great.
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I didn't watch this game
but if this team is at all serious about winning any time soon, it has to start over with the coach & his staff
this team doesn’t play to a system, doesn’t get that today’s NHL is all about defense first (a Rangers, Bruins conference final is 75% likely to me)
doesn’t understand when its time to make changes
doesn’t get mad when things don’t go right – the team has been lackadaiscal all season
time for a change
I realized tonight what it is that, I think, bothers me about Capuano
And, in fairness to him and as I said in the game thread, he’s not working with All-Stars out there. Basically anyone but Hamonic and Tavares is liable to be a goat at any time.
That being said, I think Cappy is still stuck in an AHL mindset. I pull this totally out of thin air based on his rather curious decisions. Starting a 38-year-old goalie in back to back games. Pulling the goalie with 2-3 minutes left in the game. Rolling the same rotation out there no matter the situation. Not line matching really at all, despite a roster that, by any objective measure, isn’t equal in talent to most if not any team in the league.
These sound like the types of things that happen at the minor league level. Again, I’m not a coach nor have I seen a lot of AHL hockey. But I do know that these things rarely happen in NHL games.
Again, I like Cappy and would like to see him succeed. But there’s no reason Nilsson couldn’t have started either of these games. And there’s no way you put Jurcina and Eaton on the ice against the Ducks top guys, I don’t care how much they’re struggling. Would the Islanders have won one or both games if changes were made? Probably not. I just find myself scratching my head a lot about decisions that I’ve rarely seen other NHL coaches do.
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by PGI on Jan 7, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I was surprised
that Nilsson didn’t at least get the third period tonight. Is Capuano trying to lessen Nabokov’s trade value or just make Nilsson so useless that he has no value or confidence?
Ducks Had the Last Change
So it was easier for Boudreau to get his top guys out against that pair.
by rmblifn on Jan 7, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
See...
That’s why I’m not a coach.
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by PGI on Jan 7, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I think the topic bears exploration, and it’s fun to hear actual details and possibilities than the more typical rant.
He makes some head-scratching decisions and comments (which I usually take with a grain of salt … he doesn’t do a lot of shop talk the way Hitch or Torts does) and I don’t think he’s the guy to run with a contender, but I don’t think he holds much of the blame with this team either.
Also doubt it’s an “AHL mindset” exactly — more probably a philosophy on how much you dance with who brung you vs. how much you tinker with guys who are already frustrated.
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No doubt
if the Islanders had a winning record, we’d be saying “pulling the goalie with three minutes left?!! Cappy, you mad GENIUS!!” Instead, we’ve got 1,000 reply posts over whether or not Zenon Konopka would be more deserving of five minutes of ice time than Jay Pandolfo.
Capuano’s definitely not going anywhere and the players seem to like him. Effort definitely doesn’t look like an issue. Only a million other things do.
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by PGI on Jan 8, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yep, head scratching
Gillies equalled ZK in goals last year in half the games and even less ice time, yet all you hear is thanks for what you gave, but not a hockey player…somehow ZK becomes what old Trottier did for Lemieux and the Pens
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
This is a very good post
Thank you for actually analyzing Cappy, instead of just yelling about him.
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Starting a 38-year-old goalie in back to back games.
And last season people never wanted to give the 41 year old goalie a break
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by Fabtraption on Jan 8, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
C'Mon Man
I’m not saying Capuano is the answer but….c’mon.
The Isles have 1 D-man that is playing like a Top 4 DMan right now. 1 D-Man
You really think this is about effort? There are a lot of guys that are giving their heart and Soul out there every night. Lots of guys. And I see many of the young players developing nicely in some aspects of the game.
What you are watching is learning, growing pains, typical rebuild stuff.
Its not easy…but I get so frustrated with fans that post silly comments like….‘Drop this guy’ or ‘fire this coach’. You have to look at the product as a whole and look at how the parts of the whole relate to one another. There are good things happening from a development standpoint. There are LEARNING and learning takes time and almost always includes LOSING…and LOSING SUCKS.
But to point to a one issues or one person and say that is the problem that will solve everything…..its silly.
They need help everywhere and at some point a new coach may or may not be part of a solution but be fair and look at what Capuano is working with in many respects.
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by FB4Real on Jan 7, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I disagree
It would be growing pains if it was a bunch of young guys – rookies and first- and second- year players taking their lumps. Whether it’s the coaching staff or the GM, there’s just too much use and reliance on old, washed up, talentless, useless, low-ceilinged players.
I try to think of what the Isles should be doing to the early 1990s Atlanta Braves. Okay, I hate the Braves, but they had Tom Glavine lose 17 games that year, Steve Avery lose about that many, and so did John Smoltz. They went out there every fifth day and took their lumps. Soon after the team became a dynasty – 14 straight playoffs. Avery got hurt. The other two are probably Hall of Famers. Let the young guys take their lumps, at least as many as can be while maintaining the cap floor.
It would be growing pains if it was a bunch of young guys – rookies and first- and second- year players taking their lumps. Whether it’s the coaching staff or the GM, there’s just too much use and reliance on old, washed up, talentless, useless, low-ceilinged players.
That IS what youre seeing. The older players are just stopgaps, its the kids who are supposed to be leading this team into Ws- NOT Pandolfo, Rolston, etc.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Then let the kids play.
After all, except Hamonic and Tavares, and maybe Bailey, how many young guys are getting big minutes? The defense is almost all old or hurt guys. I want Snow to start bringing up defensemen, even if one at a time.
Well, Reese is up… and like I was saying below, I cant see Snow doing that for no reason, especially since the way he was brought up would expose him to waivers if he was sent back.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I Disagree.
If Eaton, Jurcina, Staios and Streit were playing BPT right now….BPT would be much better than there 4th place record.
U may not like the D we have in NHL now but they are still mostly better than a lot of those kids are right now.
It takes time.
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i hear you but you have to win the league's top trophy 3 straight to be a dynasty
the braves never did that, inspite of all the division and national league titles
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 7, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
But you know what I am saying, right?
And right now I’d settle for making the playoffs once. Start small. Baby steps.
I Like Cap, But Some Things Make Me Wonder
Like why has Nino looked so ineffective? He doesn’t go hard on the forecheck and just turns away. Lots of effort skating with absolutely no purpose. That’s coaching. Something’s not getting through.
And why so many breakdowns? Look at the talent the Devils have. Better than the Isles, but a lot of scrubs now coming in and filling out the line-up. And yet they play like a team.
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That’s my general spot: He’s alright, I don’t think he’s anywhere near as bad as his detractors, but I’m not sure he’ll be the long-term answer and some things (as with most coaches) make me wonder. I certainly see no reason to can him now, with the roster as bad as it is. (I see it as a plus when you can keep a bad roster playing for you every night, and I haven’t seen a lot of quit — just a lot of poor talent — this season.)
Plus, I’m not sure where the “he won’t shorten his bench” (he’s benched Mottau multiple times) and “he won’t line match” crowd gets that impression. He doesn’t religiously line match the way some coaches do and doesn’t micro-tinker the way Gordon does, but he certainly does it and just looking at the spread of zone starts among forwards (Nielsen and Pandolfo starting shifts so often in the D-zone, the top line constantly starting in the O-zone) tells you he’s not just mindlessly rolling out a rotation like it’s automatic line changes on NHL 96.
Last night sucked having Eaton and Jurcina out there 4-on-4 but it was their turn, it was the first of a back-to-back with an already short bench at forward, and like you said the home team gets the last change.
Basically, a whole lot of things I see people rant about here re: Capuano I see happen with most coaches/teams in the NHL, and I think quite often people lack the context that the men behind the bench. This isn’t a defense of Capuano’s credentials nor coronation, but I think the Islanders’ other issues are far bigger and there’s no reason to pull out the “fire the coach” card when it probably won’t make a meaningful difference with this roster.
You know what’s funny about watching Hitchcock in St. Louis? He’ll make decisions that get people scratching their heads, but that man loves to talk shop so he’ll often happily discuss them in detail afterward. Sometimes he says, “I screwed up, I had the wrong guy out there” and sometimes you learn of issues or circumstances that the fan has no idea existed.
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by Dominik on Jan 8, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uh Huh.
Basically, a whole lot of things I see people rant about here re: Capuano I see happen with most coaches/teams in the NHL, and I think quite often people lack the context that the men behind the bench. This isn’t a defense of Capuano’s credentials nor coronation, but I think the Islanders’ other issues are far bigger and there’s no reason to pull out the "fire the coach" card when it probably won’t make a meaningful difference with this roster.
Exactly.
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It doesn't take Hockey genius to Point this out either
Plus, I’m not sure where the "he won’t shorten his bench" (he’s benched Mottau multiple times)
He doesn’t religiously line match the way some coaches do and doesn’t micro-tinker the way Gordon does, but he certainly does it and just looking at the spread of zone starts among forwards (Nielsen and Pandolfo starting shifts so often in the D-zone, the top line constantly starting in the O-zone) tells you he’s not just mindlessly rolling out a rotation like it’s automatic line changes on NHL 96.
I mean…just pay attention to the games.
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Lack of communication with the fans has been an issue with the Isles for a while now...
All we get is massive servings of Kool Aide…We were promised a competitive team that was ready to bid for the playoffs….Garth said we needed to improve the defense and it never happened…It was worsened…I’m tired of the isles promising to feed us fans and leaving us to starve…
i agree with the lack of communication comment
if there is one thing i think all isles fans can agree on, it is that snow et al have always kept their cards close to their chest, and have done a horrible PR job communicating with fans, particularly as to what their rebuild plan is/was.
obviously some of that would be to aid them in dealings with other teams etc., but by now, 70 to 80 percent or more of their rebuild plan has been figured out…even butch goring spoke about it publicly…we all know what the plan/strategy is now…i can’t wait for 2015.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
whats the plan?
I dont know what it is…Enlighten me, please…
too much typing to go into it, there is an interview posted somewhere on this site butch gave
very candid, he doesn’t state anything we didn’t know…essentially he appears to be following the torrey plan…stick with the draft picks for better or worse, and wait out their development…their will be busts and setbacks just like every successful cup winning rebuild…but eventually the accumulation of high end picks, as they hit their prime, is when the team turns the corner etc. etc.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT?
Like why has Nino looked so ineffective? He doesn’t go hard on the forecheck and just turns away. Lots of effort skating with absolutely no purpose. That’s coaching. Something’s not getting through.
So…when a young guy that you want to play good doesn’t play good its the coaching but when Pandolpho doesn’t do something that you want to see its b/c he sucks?!! Thats Ridiculous.
Pandolpho, Rolston, Reasoner, Staios….These guys have all played close to 60 years of combined hockey (with some Stanley Cups mixed in). If u last 15 years in the NHL….you know how to play and these guys can contribute a lot to the development of this team.
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by FB4Real on Jan 8, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You Totally Missed My Point
I’m not complaining about the coaching because Nino doesn’t play well. But he continues to do certain things that for whatever reason aren’t being corrected. If you watch him game in and game out, he never gets in on the forecheck when he’s the guy in deepest, he just turns away and retreats. Why is it taking so long to correct that? Something’s not getting through.
And I don’t even understood your point about the veterans, which I wasn’t even talking about. But since you mentioned it, it would be ridiculous to hold the coach more accountable for a young player’s mistakes but not a veteran’s mistakes? What would be ridiculous about that? One would assume a veteran to know better, right?
i totally agree, he's in a bureaucratic nightmare
it is so obvious that Nino’s development is at the stage where the AHL is the most beneficial
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think Its Official
Kevin Poulin is gonna be the Isles starter Next Season.
Poulin and Montoya for next season….I’ll go to battle starting next season with that.
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Id love that, honestly.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
I know youve said this before and hey Im with ya, but maybe it would be best to kinda save the “told ya”s until, you know, it happens lol?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
but projecting is what makes long and nerve testing rebuilds interesting
if Poulin’s knees hold up, which some say is why he dropped in the draft, he’s going to be a very good goalie…if Casey’s game translates from AHL to NHL anywhere near as seamlessly as it did from Juniors to AHL, he is going to be a pitbull and a very fun bottom 6er to watch….hey, call me nostradomus of the north
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't use the P Word
bad things happen
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
And don't forget your pre-draft promoting of Strome as the right pick
Time will tell
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lol
everyone gets it right and wrong sometimes…when i was a teenager, i bought the hockey news draft preview every year, and followed the draft, my personal best ever, based entirely on those simple short paragraphs er, scouting reports…i actually picked joe sakic whereas the isles took dean chynoweth…just goes to show sometimes luck can produce better results than all the most brilliant minds combined
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
one thing Strome will have going for him in the NHL, if he succeeds at centre rather than wing
as he will play behind JT, meaning teams will not be able to focus their top checking line on Stromes line, plus, a number of the big wingers in the system (other than ullstrom none are currently nhl ready) will be in the nhl or already have been busts. strome will be coming to a better team than jt did.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
And JT will be a good player for Strome to learn from
Tavares is already playing like a veteran (for the most part) in his 3rd season.
Other recent 1st overall picks put up more points their 3rd seasons, but some aspects of JT’s game are ahead of Stamkos and Kane their 3rd years. (I honestly wouldn’t trade Tavares for Kane right now, as good as Kane is.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I certaintly wouldnt trade him for Stamkos either
Im not impressed with Stamkos. I just feel like if he didnt have St Louis on his wing hed be a ~70 point player like Rick Nash.
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Haha 70 point players are by now means bad
I just think that Tavares has higher potential than that, i mean right now hes on pace for over 70 points on the season and Moulson and Okposo/PAP aint exaclty St louis
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man glad i worked late and missed this one
we got beat by a team that will probably move before us, and they actually spend money and have a decent team. what a joke
i think on back to back nights on the road with old goalie and nillson as backup
Isles really had to win the duck’s game
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 7, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
This has train wreck written all over it
It was a horror show. It’s time for TPTB to face reality. There are too many players on the team who don’t belong. Forget the “passenger” garbage. They have no business being here and they are in the way of progress. It’s time to move the deadwood and the marginal players.
They made a mistake with Nino and will have to ride that out until he’s ready. After his injury he should have gone to Portland. Playing with talents like Pandolfo and Wallace will not make him a better player by any stretch of the imagination.
Move Eaton, Staios, Jurcina and yes, even Streit, and start with young guys. Move Nabokov before it gets worse. Let’s see what Ness, Donovon, Reese and deHaan (and who else am I missing?)
It will be Montoya and Poulin next year. It has to be. RDP can be #3 if they have to have to have to keep him. If he can be Bridgeported, fine. Since a free agent to eat cap space to allow for it, BUT…
I have serious doubts that any of this will be necessary. With Don Fehr running the PA I see strike/lockout as a real possibility.
Make some sleep will calm me down. Or not.
IIRC
I think the Isles can send Nino to Portland at any time; his ELC won’t slide this year, is all.
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Wow, a lot of excuses for Nino. It always seems to be the fault of the players a guy is playing with whenever they disappoint.
Nino is not that good. I’ve yet to see him beat a defender. His one goal was very nice but aside from that I’ve seen nothing the least bit impressive from him. He gets no separation from defenders and really doesn’t seem to have good vision. I don’t see his linemates really holding him back. His linemates are outplaying him it looks like to me. Maybe he’s a couple of years away or maybe he was a mistake but right now his problem is that he is not good enough yet.
Nino
talented kid, nothing left for him in juniors, simply not ready for NHL, but rules mean he can’t play in AHL where he should be based on where he is at in development…therein is the biggest problem i think…look @ Cam Neely. High Vancouver pick, sucked bad, was a bust….traded him in a package to Boston for one of leagues top centres in Barry Peterson….Peterson was never the same player for Van, became a bust and a few years later out of league. We all know what became of Neely. Not saying this will be Nino, just saying it doesn’t make much sense to judge a 19 year old projected power forward.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
One of the rare flat out awful NHL trades
that doesn’t have Mike Milbury’s fingerprints on it.
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by PGI on Jan 8, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd lol
but at the time no one thought so
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rarely does a trade look awful at the time.
Chara deal is one example that did look awful at the time. As skilled as Yashin was, I remember that Isles’ PK with Chara looked like we had 4.5 skaters out there. Even if he never developed into a good offensive defenseman, he would have been the best shutdown guy in the league— that much was evident.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I agree its too early to judge him but what I'm really sick of is blaming his linemates. If you need top linemates to
have any decent production then you just aren’t that good.
We don't need guys that can put up some points on JT's wing. We need guys who can put up points without
being on JT’s wing or better yet guys (other than JT) that we can put ordinary players with and those ordinary players will put up decent point totals. If you need top flight linemates to put up decent production then you just aren’t that good. He was the #5 pick in the draft and he was supposed to be a producer. He’s only 19 so maybe he’s just too young but he isn’t producing like most eventual elite players do when they were 19. He’s hardly producing anything at all and its not on his linemates.
How many 19 year old power forwards are producing...
in the NHL?
Take a look at the #5 picks of the last 20 years. How many of those forwards were producing at age 19?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man
that’s who you came up with? That’s a decent first season, but man, career wise, I expect and hope Nino ends up with more PPG that that guy.
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haha
didn’t see below.
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Just getting started -
in ’92 the 5th pick was the Isles – Darius Kasparaitis – he played for Moscow Dynamo in 91-92, played for the Isles in 92-93 as a 20yo and had 4 goals 17 assists for 21 pts
Thats what I was thinking...
There aren’t many 19 year olds who play in the NHL let alone produce in the NHL…
Yes but most #5 picks do play in the NHL as 19 yr olds. That's what I'm getting at. We need our high draft
picks to become well above average NHL players if we are going to become a good team. That’s how you do it. There is only so much talent to go around. You need to get yours. And elite talent is usually in the NHL at 19 and producing a little bit.
I think Nino is being judged waaaay too early, that's just me...
by KO21 on Jan 8, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I haven't given up on Nino. I'm just saying that guys who turn out to be leading scorers are usually
fairly productive in age 19 season. Not always. There have been guys who have been star players who really didn’t do much until later but most guys who become stars are already fairly productive by their age 19 season. Its surprising but its true. NHL players start early and peak early. Its a young man’s game. Martin St Louis peaking in his 30s is unusual.
I know what you're talking about...
But I dont know if Nino is expected to be a super star…I also think you’re over estimating. There are far more kids that become stars of whom didn’t make an impact in the NHL until they’re matured than kids that make an immediate impact in their teens…There are very few John Tavares’s in the world…
by KO21 on Jan 8, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And the difference between #1 overall and #5 overall is night-and-day.
I’d rather have one #1 overall pick (in an average year) than three #5 overall picks (in average draft years).
It seems there are typically only one or two (MAYBE three) great prospects each draft. Last draft was atypical with Larsson available at #4. (And Strome at #5 may be even better than usual— we sure hope so!)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
those are just the one's that made it @ 19
how many did not? i actually think beyond top 2 or 3 picks, it is a chicken and egg discussion…more important is the quality of draft, type and role of player and comparision as such…power forwards for whatever reason seem to take longer…not even talking bertuzzi, but if you look around, neely (once a bust in Van, franchise player in Bos) tochhet, etc. they seem to take 3, 4 or more years.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
2011 backwards
Strome
Niederreiter
B Schenn
L Schenn
Alzner
P Kessel
Price
Wheeler
Vanek
Ryan Whitney
Chistov
Torres
Connolly
Vishnevsky
Brewer
R Jackman
Langkow
O’Neill
R Neidermayer
Kaspar
Aaron Ward
Jagr
Guerin
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit
we had like, all of those guys!
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I guess 7, if you count Guerin. (And we almost had Jagr, right?) Who played the longest with Isles out of Kaspar, Brewer, Connolly and Torres? Only Kaspar really reached his prime on Isles, but he matured pretty quickly and then didn’t get much better.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Uwe Krupp scored that goal for Buff when playing with them
that put the Isles past the pens…their was a clear top 5 in the draft, so yes, it would have been Jagr rather than Scissons no matter who was GM, but no playoffs that year…would have been worth it in hindsight
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, Krupp!
Didn’t he score a Cup-winning goal too? Or am I thinking of another big goal he scored? Or am I thinking of another Isles defenseman on a different team?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
not sure, but if he did would've been with Ave's I believe
i remember cheering that goal cause it got Isles in playoffs, and for years afterwards regetting it lol
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
He scored the GWG for the Avs’ first Stanley Cup (in OT, if memory serves).
by Kaonashi on Jan 8, 2012 5:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes, I think that's it!
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Here we go
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Brewer, taken the same year as Luongo, right?
Jesus Christ….
But man, Jeff O’Neill was a good player for a few years with the Whalers
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Most players who turn out to be stars have decent production as 19 yr olds. Not all. There are
plenty of examples of star players who didn’t do anything in the NHL until much later. But most players who turn out to be stars are already having decent production at 19. Nino was the #5 pick so I was hoping he would be a star. He may be or he may be just a very good player or a solid above average player, all of which would help but to really be good in this league you need star players.
Isles have one definitely first liner right now in JT
Although Moulson is among the elite in goals the past 200 or so games, right? (And two years ago he scored 30+ aside a struggling JT who couldn’t skate very well.)
Moulson, JT, and Okposo could be a fine 1st line for next season, especially if Strome comes in and finds some chemistry with Grabner on the 2nd line. (Who knows?)
They do need another forward who makes those around him better, as someone mentioned today. Perhaps Strome will be that guy some day. Expecting next year is putting too much weight on him, but you never know.
I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if Petrov or Kabanov steps in next year and is a top-6 contributor.
Three darts to throw at a board is not a bad thing. If you throw enough darts, eventually you hit the bulls eye. (Unless you are Mike Milbury.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
i'd say milbury hit the bulls eye more than most, but had no patients
and soon traded them off…never knew from one draft to the next whether it was a rebuild or a now team
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
i’d say milbury hit the bulls eye more than most, but had no patients
He didnt have the patience then- the Isles have had all the patients far more recently!
(rimshot!)
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
lol oh funny
had a typo in there, but seriously, scouting was never the problem under Milbury, except maybe the obcession with Europeans in late rounds, where if they were longshots to play in the NHL, they were more likely to stay home in Europe rather then play for the Isles farm system. Otherwise, they faired pretty well in the draft compared to other teams.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 9, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I agree but someone of those prospects has to become a really exceptional player if we are going to be good.
Or maybe if all of them become solidly above average. However it happens we need good players to win and they have to come from the draft.
if all 15 of the top 25 under 25 forwards pan out
Isles will win the cup 10 out of the next 15 years, but that isn’t realistic…but yes, the more who make their ceiling, or at least become decent NHLers, we’re in…Strome, JT and Poulin are the 3 i believe have franchise potential…Hamonic right behind who i think will be a top number 2 D in the nhl for a long time.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Where is all this "Isles need a system" stuff coming from all of a sudden?
Gordon had a system and it made bubkes difference. You’ve got to have players, and then, hey, suddenly they look organized! How’d that happen? Coach is a genius!
It’s not all coaching. Really it isn’t. It’s the worst blueline in the league right now. Unless Capuano knows how to clone Hamonic five times before the Detroit game, what exactly do we expect him to do?
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by mikb on Jan 7, 2012 11:43 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
They have some players
Not enough, and the young talent who should at least get a few games up before going back down are in Bridgeport, having their career paths blocked by such luminaries as Eaton, Staois, Pandolfo, Rolston, Jurcina, Mottau, Wallace, ad nauseum. Yes, these guys give the effort, but this is not grade school. You get judged on, and only on, results. And if these guys sucked it would constitute a major improvement.
I think that some shits gonna be going down.
Why else was Reese called up when there were enough guys to play? Garth hasnt protected him from waivers so far just to bring him up and have him exposed- especially since waivers burned him earlier this season with Cozo. I think some players are gonna be gone, since the Isles can afford to waive a few of them now that the seasons moved on and still be cap compliant.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you're right
Because the next week is going to be ugly. And I work in an office where everyone is a Flyers fam but me and I don’t want to have to call in sick Friday.
I don’t want to have to call in sick Friday.
And a week from Friday, too.
You might get crap for making 3-day weekends for yourself.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh I hope not.
The Isles have actually have played a lot of close, tight games against the Flyers… they seem to most often lose by a damn stinkin goal- and maybe an ENG just because we love dishing them out almost as much as we love giving other teams stars storybook tales to share with their grandchildren. Almost.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If they can get anything for Jurcina or Staios, that would be amazing.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Jurcina at least might- only because of his size
Staios would not.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Never know
Darryl Sutter is employed again!
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from watching the games
It is astounding how often coverage is blown in our end. How often their is hesitation by the d when the numbers are even. Too often it looks like our d and backcheckers are unsure on who or where they should be, leaving guys uncovered in key spots or allowed to walk in from area where it looks like they were covered. I understand that the talent and speed of our dmen is suspect, but they should at least be positionally sound even if they sometimes lack the skills to execute.
by randyboyd on Jan 8, 2012 12:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
2 of the Isles 3 best positional Dmen from last season (Hillen & Martinek) were not brought back
Its a factor.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
This may be my only problem with Snow
I mean Martinek was a risk and I understand not bringing him back, and he’s injured now (as far as I know, I apologize if I’m wrong).
But Hillen was a low-risk signing that could’ve been made. I can see where they were going with the whole two-way thing, but would it have really killed them to give the guy a 1-year, $1 million contract, one-way? I know they were going for a better defensive signing, but signing him would’ve been a good insurance move in case they didn’t (and they did not) and if turned out that he was the odd man out behind Staios, Eaton, Jurcina, and Mottau – and he certainly would not have been – then Garth could have swung a deal for him, even if it was just like a 3rd or 4th rounder. Or they could have waived him to Bridgeport, and if someone picked him up then good for him, he gets NHL duty.
I just feel like signing him really had no negative aspects to it, as long as he played like he did for us last year. And Lord knows we have the cap space for that small a contract… I wonder if David Poile feels like dealing him…
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 8, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
Ha, in hindsight
no, it wouldn’t have been bad to give him a one way. With all of the injuries and poor play, he would’ve made it into the lineup pretty quick. Again, remember though that the Isles have the “extra goalie” problem and that may have factored into the decisions. We were always one “healthy scratch” short this season.
If there’s nowhere to put him, and you have to send him to the AHL, he gets claimed on waivers with a one-way anyway.
Honestly though, at the time I didn’t think it would be that big of a deal. In retrospect, he made Jurcina look pretty good last year and put up some good numbers himself.
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I didn't think it was a big deal either
I guess it is just hindsight speaking, but I couldn’t see the problem in signing him now haha.
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 8, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
one-way v two-way
Has no impact on waiver eligibility. It only changes what the player is paid on each level.
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by mikb on Jan 8, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I meant really
Why it wouldn’t have hurt to give him a one way…basically everything is the same. Just that the Isles may have saved some coin. I think the problem in the Isles eyes was too many one-way contracts to begin with. Someone would always need to be waived and they apparently weren’t as comfortable doing that with the veterans.
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The biggest mistake
was thinking Jurcina was better than Hillen. Jurcina has been awful everywhere he’s gone. It’s not like it’s a surprise how badly he’s playing-he’s been terrible for years! And I’m sure(hope) they didn’t anticipate replacing him with Staios, but don’t you kind of need to anticipate that?
i wondered about hillen too
i know he wasn’t going to part any waters and provide a land bridge, but hey, he can generate offense, had to have been deemed better than some of the has beens they signed and/or retained.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I believe Hillen was a UFA even after Ehrhoff was signed.
Garth had more faith in Wishart and/or Katic. That is the only reasonable explanation I have for him letting Hillen go. (If Hillen was 8th or 9th on the depth chart, perhaps Garth thought, why bother signing him.)
I honestly thought Katic would be better than Hillen this season. He would have been a much better partner for Jurcina than Eaton or Mottau.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think katic was the reason he let Hillen go
I believe Katic was a year or 2 younger and he seemed to perform well at the end of last season. So i guess Garth figured he was younger and filled the same role so why bother signing Hillen? still wouldve liked him to sign Hillen in retrospect, but i can understand why he didnt
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by Zhora on Jan 8, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
logical guess
couldn’t have predicted katic’s injury, and wishart’s game going so far south
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
i thought hillen was a RF, but ufa after isles let him walk
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think...
Isles let him walk (become UFA), then tried to sign Ehrhoff, then Hilen was signed as a UFA.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think he signed as a college UFA to begin with
so I would imagine he’d stay that way no?
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Nope
Your guess seems logical, though.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
and that’s right, I guess all we had to do was qualify him…that makes it even more baffling really. I’d forgotten that.
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am convinced it went like this
Katic was expected to make the team, negating the need for Hillen
consistent with our playing to a very tight budget this season – no margin for error or injury
But
they signed Staios for more than Hillen got with Nashville. I have a feeling Hillen would have taken Staios’s contract.
Hillen signed in August with Nashville
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373467
Katic was hurt after that http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/hockey/post/_/id/3955/katic-appears-headed-for-surgery
oh those rookie games in early September against the Bruins – those were the days
That's right
I forgot Staios came in after Katic’s injury.
That said, knowing the NHL and injuries, having either Hillen or Katic in BP would have been smart. But there’s that budget again…
i'm not sure they would have been able to asign hillen to BP had they retained him??
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
what happened to post injury A-Mac?
He was so good…
But I think Gordon's system did make a difference
As you may know, I’ve tried to make a similar point as you here a few times over the last year. I always felt Gordon was blamed for stuff he couldn’t control or wasn’t wrong about and on the other hand Capuano credited with things that didn’t happen or at least weren’t induced by his work. So, I do think it’s not all coaching and I know very well what you’re talking about here. But yeah, in this case my perspective is a bit different.
While the start of the last season of course needs to be taken into account when talking about Gordon’s tenure here, I think season 09-10 is telling us much more about stuff like how well his systems worked, etc. There’s no doubt his crisis management and some other decisions were bad there in November 2010 and he was at least partly responsible for that awful month indeed, but I don’t think that stretch should be taken into account too much when grading the fundamentals, his systems and stuff, or the potential of the current group. Injuries and other things were just too much of a factor there. So, I feel too often 09-10 gets forgotten when we’re talking about Gordon’s coaching – instead it should be the focal point.
I still think 79 points was a huge success that year and they have some work to do if they want to achieve the same number this season. For now, they’ve been a slightly worse team at EV this season if you go by Fenwick. And the big difference is that they’re close to 48% this year thanks to JT, while they were a bit over 48% in spite of JT. The progress of JT’s been enormous for them, he’s gone from 43.4% in Fenwick with the score tied in 09-10 to 52% Fenwick with the score tied this season. And he’s even playing tougher minutes now. Also, back in 09-10 he had a stretch of 30 games with Fenwick score tied at 38.4%. Picture the current team with JT in that state…
Anyway, back then they seemed to find a way to be effective without relying on a #1 center heavily. Clearly, this also had to with a more balanced roster and guys like Bergenheim, the whole 4th line (Thompson-Park-Jackman) or also Meyer and Hillen playing some effective hockey for them. But I doubt overall that roster was better than the current one if you adjust for the progress of JT, the additional experience of Okposo, Moulson, Bailey or the acquisitions of PA, Grabner, Hamonic. So, although you can always put a lot of it on Garth and I certainly do blame him for quite a lot of this indeed, I do believe the coaching must have made a difference. Otherwise that team doesn’t outplay the current one.
And the difference for me is that too often Capuano just isn’t finding ways for them to be at their best. He isn’t finding them for individuals (Schremp, Comeau, maybe Bailey, mabye Okposo until very recently) and other than riding the best players as heavily as possible I haven’t seen much leading to a series of five, six good games in a row.
I don’t think we can really observe much of the crucial things – the systems, the teaching, the coaching on the fly. But the little things we see (lineup decisions, progress of the individuals) and “Pretty Good Idiot” mentions above are not very encouraging at all for me to believe Capuano is getting the key stuff right.
Again, I know it’s the easy way to blame the coach and we can’t even observe a whole lot of the key processes. And I apparently couldn’t do it while Gordon was here, either, but I just felt he was finding ways while Capuano isn’t. That’s the impression I have based on their underlyings, the results, how they achieve them and what’s going on on the ice. While they’re clearly not getting the results they’d deserve (very low PDO at EV) I still think you just need to be better with this roster. And I think there are coaches out there who’d find ways to be better.
by BenHasna on Jan 8, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The JT inversion
And the big difference is that they’re close to 48% this year thanks to JT, while they were a bit over 48% in spite of JT.
Was just thinking about this today, and what a wild inversion this has been.
I have concerns about Capuano for some of the reasons you mention, I’m just not sure how one evaluates who will certainly bring them something better (other than a Hitchcock starlet, who frankly has his pick of jobs and picked wisely).
My hunch is Payne would be one, but of course that example doesn’t look good when he had similar possession but worse results compared to Hitchcock (albeit without the home cooking bonus Hitch started his latest tenure with).
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Went to the supermarket
and bought a carton of milk. Grabs was on it. Apparently he’s been missing for a while.
by martylnd on Jan 8, 2012 12:01 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Grabner and Streit - Still Hampered by Injury?
Every once and a while you see a flash of the Gremlin’s speed, then hibernation. Still hurt? I would hate to think it’s lack of effort.
And Streit continues to have all sorts of problems handling the puck. He’s never been a Norris Trophy candidate, but stickhandling and passing’s certainly never been a problem for him. I can’t believe that the shoulder is fine. Or maybe he’s got some other nagging injury, like when Peca played his whole first year with the Isles injured.
Frans looked hurt to me last night. On that one goal where he lost his stick and then picked it up he didn't look quite
right after picking up his stick.
That one year he might have been a Norris candidate...
… if he wasn’t playing for Isles.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
My goodness, good catch.
Just checked the fridge. My milk has that as well.

I don’t think I can finish my coffee now.
by Isles2011 on Jan 8, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
That Hat Trick After 1100 Games With 00.1 on the Clock was Something
I was rooting hard for the Isles to not give up the hat trick. But after a momentary feeling of disgust, that was a pretty good moment for a long-time guy in front of a fan base that just might be watching NHL hockey for their last season. Way less significant, but it kinda reminded me of the Isles trying to get Bossy 50 in 50 against Quebec.
Hate to admit it, but I was rooting for Doan midway thru the 3rd. At that point it was safe to say the game was over. I hate it when struggling teams “breakout” against us, but this time I’ll make an exception.
you guys are crazy...
How can an Isles fan take pleasure in that?
Depends
Are you a hockey fan, or just an Islanders fan?
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by mikb on Jan 8, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be honest...That didn't take much class to go for that extra goal with the game so far out of reach...
I’m an Isles fan before anything else…I hate the NHL and I don’t take pleasure in watching a guy embarrass us…It wasnt very honorable going for a hat trick when the game was over…That was rubbing it in our faces…I didnt like the taste…Im surprised some enjoyed that…
I dont think it was so much rubbing it in our faces
So much as this guy really deserves that hat trick lol I mean every teams done it. We did it last year with A-mac when we kept sending him out there on the powerplay and Cap took the time out so he could stay on the ice. Or when theres an empty net situation EVERY team ALWAYS puts the guy with 2 goals on the ice. We already lost and its not like the whole team was pressing to score, they were just trying to get the puck to Doan.
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by Zhora on Jan 8, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cappy did not pull the goalie so he was basically throwing in the towel..
The Isles did it with Amac, is true..But I doubt the opposing team or fans enjoyed it like some Isles fans enjoyed it being done to us…
But that's because of historical context
There was a list of “top 10 NHL goal scorers” not to score a hat trick and he seemed to be the best goal scorer on that list. Brad Richards is also on that list, but Rangers play Isles a couple more times this season.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I wasnt moved...
My team lost and they walked off the ice disgusted…I was also disgusted…
Oh, I didn't like it either
I was just making the point that there was a difference in historical context between this hat trick and pretty much any other hat trick.
But I think I would have been equally disgusted with the game had Nabokov made that final save. It was a disgusting game.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 9, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I can appreciate the achievement in retrospect...
But as it happened, I was just so pissed off…
Cappy did not pull the goalie so he was basically throwing in the towel..
Totally disagree. (Unless maybe you were joking and I missed it?)
If you werent joking:
They werent down by a goal or even two goals, it was three. Pulling the goalie would have given Doan a good chance of getting the hat trick, even though there was virtually NO chance of the Isles scoring three goals in the final minute or two.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, I meant that the game was out of reach...
and thats why the goalie doesnt get pulled with several goals down…When you need just 1 it makes sense to pull the goalie…
I thought it would have been a better story...
…if he missed it by .1 of a second.
Isles have done similarly late in 3rd with multiple-goal lead and a player at 2 goals. I think it is silly, but Isles have done it too at times.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a fan of letting up
whether my team is winning or losing. I don’t much buy that whole “you have no class because you kept playing your best players”.
To me, that is exactly what all sports should be about. They weren’t showboating or trash talking, they were trying to get a long tenured league vet his first NHL hat trick…just like I would expect the Isles to do if JT or Moulson had two goals…even though they already have NHL hat tricks.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
When JT scores late in games, that we already won, you don't see him jumping up in down...
And each case is different…I don’t believe in taking the foot off the gas either…But with a few seconds left and a 3 goal lead is a different story…There is a time when its truly over and Cappy neglecting to pull the goalie was the first sign…
You might see that if he was 16 years in the league and hitting a career milestone
Like his 500th goal or something. I mean, the players aren’t complaining about Doan’s lack of class or showboating or anything…and I doubt the coaching staff would begrudge Doan that moment.
It always boils down to “hey, if you don’t like it or don’t want it done, stop ’em”.
I’d hate to hear people bitching about it in the inverse.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats all well and good...
But I dont have to like it being done too us…Like I said, I take no pleasure in that…My team was embarrassed…I didnt enjoy it one bit…The Isles lost…
historically teams lose 2nd game playing back to back on the road
but they played bad regardless
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not a fan of anyone getting even one goal on us
but yeah, it’s Doan, and he’s been a class act forever and I can appreciate an achievement.
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I don’t take pleasure in watching a guy embarrass us…It wasnt very honorable going for a hat trick when the game was over…That was rubbing it in our faces…
I remember Torts saying something like this when the Isles had their top line out in the third when they were beating the Rags… he was bitching about it saying it was rubbing it in or something like that. And then when his team was winning, he did the EXACT SAME THING. My point? If it was a beloved Islander Captain who never had a hat trick in 15 years who did the same thing, I think you would laugh at any fan of the opposing team making the same argument you are making here.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not really trying to argue that it was wrong or right...
I just didn’t like it…How can an Islander fan enjoy that?
On the other hand…If the Isles did the same thing I would enjoy it…But I would still think to myself..“That is kind of fucked up, but fuck it”! haha Just being honest
by KO21 on Jan 9, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Question
Did the Isles have to stay on the ice for the centr ice faceoff with .1 left? That would seem cruel after waiting for the hats to get cleared away.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 8, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
They left the ice before the goal was even confirmed by Toronto.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
So technically Smith's GAA for the game should be something like
1.0000000000000001
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Streit to Devils?
My Devil’s fan men’s league teammate told me that he heard a rumor that the Isles and Devils are working on a deal to send Streit to the Devils. He didn’t mention for what. He said he’d be glad to part with Adam Larsson. He doesn’t like him at all. Thinks he’s soft and terrible in his own zone.
As much as I like the guy, absolutely no way do I see them parting with Larsson for Streit… the Isles would have to throw in something BIG- and do they do that? I dont think so.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that was just my friend's opinion. I doubt the Devils are offering Larsson. But what might they be offering?
Streit is signed for a year after this. Maybe they’re offering their 1st round pick in June’s draft? I have no idea. I don’t even know if it really is being discussed.
+1 - The Only Way Larsson Gets Dealt for Streit is If Lou Stumbles and Sustains a Closed Head Injury First
Where’s that friend getting his trade info? Eklund or Incarcerated Bob?
No, he didn't say the Devils were offering Larsson. He said only that he heard a rumor that they were trying to trade
for Streit and then he added that if it were up to him they Isles could have Larsson for him. He doesn’t like Larsson. He thinks it was a big mistake for the Devils to pick him. He never said the Devils were offering Larsson or even that he was a possible part of any deal.
Well, I Think You're Friend is Wrong on All Counts
He shouldn’t judge Larsson based on his rookie season. From what little I’ve seen of him, he looks like he’ll be real solid and he also shows flashes of offense too. It just takes a while.
And if Streit gets dealt, I think it would be to a Western Conference contender who needs power play help. Can’t see Garth helping the Devils. Why would he do that? And to do a deal like that, Isles would have to get back a piece they can use. You see Lou doing that? You’re friend could be proven right, but I have a hard time believing it.
Can't see Garth helping the Devils...
…well, the Rolston-Hunter swap served a definite purpose for Jersey…
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you beat me too it....
We dealt them Hunter for Rolston just so we can take on his salary hit so they can sign Parrisi…That shit really pisses me off…
what a joke
And then they demote everybody, move lines around, and he keeps his spot.
Then, the PP is better without him, so they put him back on the PP. What a frigging joke.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
and Hunter was dropped by the Devils...
He was a pawn in the whole thing…Thats the thanks Trent gets for being a hard nosed player for this team since he came up…
Come on now.
What kind of team ices players with bad knee injuries who can
hardly skate?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ha
I laughed
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whenever i feel myself feeling sorry for them,
i remind myself it is pro-sports and they are very well paid for their grief, love to trade places
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know...
Believe me…I ain’t losin’ sleep over it…
I don't know if I'd trade places...
…for a badly messed up knee if I need pain killers the rest of my life, and likely become addicted to pain killers.
It’s different than just needing pain killers 3 or 4 times a month as an Islanders fan.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
They were signing Parise regardless.
Dont fool yourself. The Isles helped whatever bottom line guy they kept from getting dumped.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
And in doing so the Isles have it all this season in Rolston instead of next season as well (with Hunter)
Its not like they took him for nothing- the Isles dumped, as well.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
The salary cap is really a hinderance to a cheap team...
which is really ironic…
My friend is not wrong about hearing a rumor that he heard. He heard a rumor that the Isles/Devils were
talking Streit. The rumor may be completely untrue but he is not wrong about hearing it.
by TMS71 on Jan 8, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
but that is what a rumour is, someone or party starts or hears or passes it on
that is why it is a rumour and not a fact
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
A fair point!
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Does your friend go by the name
@ImprisonedRobert?
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by Dominik on Jan 8, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Jesus no. He's a men's league teammate of mine. He heard a rumor that the Isles/Devils were talking a Streit trade.
What the hell is so hard to believe about that?
Nothing at all
It was a joke. I do not for one minute doubt your rec league teammate heard a rumor.
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I simply cannot see any merit in
trading the Captain. He doesn’t go from being one of the central parts of this team (which he HAD to be in order to be named Captain in the first place) to trade bait in three months, no matter how disappointing this season has been.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 8, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
but garth picked up other captains to replace him?
ie staios, rolston, pandolfo, etc… haha….f.
flyers
traded their captain last summer
What do Frans Nielsen, Scooby Doo, and Hamlet all have in common? They're Great Danes.
Its not really the same situation though.
I mean, look at a list of the Isles captains over the last 20 years. Theres a total of 13 Captains in Isles history- 1/2 that time had only 4 guys, while the other half had more than twice that, including a few times when there was no captain at all.
Pat Flatley, Bryan McCabe, Trevor Linden, Kenny Jonsson, Michael Peca, Alexei Yashin, Billy Guerin, Doug Weight, and now Mark Streit… Of all 9 of the Captains of the last 20 years, how many were here for a length of time and werent flipped or traded or self-demoted or bought out? How many were simply Captain here for years on end? How many got the chance to form any kind of an identity here AS Captain? Not many. Like I said- you just cant make a habit of naming guys Captain and then dumping them a relatively shot time later. The Isles need to look MORE attractive to higher calibre players, not less.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Thats a good point...
But I doubt he’s 100% untouchable..
If we could somehow land Parise from that
I’d instantly get his jersey
Constantly building for the future.
Hahaha- you and an entire army. They would run out of those letters.
But there is absolutely no way- Id say literally 0%- that the Devils trade Parise to the Isles for anything short of Tavares. Seriously. The only chance there is of him being an Islander is if he winds up as an UFA. And I still wouldnt say there is anything resembling a good chance, but hey at least it is above 0%.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yea I know
When it comes to JT. Keep you’re hands off my Tavares. Keep you’re hands off my Doritos.
Constantly building for the future.
by pgat28 on Jan 9, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This Game Sucked - Cross Posted - Wrong Forum
No This Was Just A Bad Game! I was There!
I was at this game in Phoenix (Glendale) and it was just like watching a bad porn movie. About half way through I could not tell who was getting f*cked, the colors started getting faded and the girls started to look like guys! This was a bad game..it was only a slightly better game for Mike Smith and PHX but only slightly. They did not play better than NYI; NYI played worse than PHX. Do you know it is harder to play worse than the other team than just not playing to 100%. Yes it was a back to back game..blah blah,,,
I have to tell you all that this game absolutely sold me on one guaranteed premise. Nabakov is barely a regular season goalie! I was not impressed, I was motivated to see more of Poulin. If we ever made the playoffs I only hope it is with someone else. Nabakov needs to go now!
ALSO Nieder(over-rated)rieter was really ineffective. Boy verse Men is the phrase I kept thinking..He is a boy and needs to grow up..being quick and agile doesnt work if the Men keep mowing your ass out of the way. Totally ineffective
This was the chance to be closer to .500..instead we are even further away. This kind of game will make us all Quebec City Fans!
by IslesFanForLife on Jan 8, 2012 12:32 AM EST reply actions
Okposo had the same problem when he first came up...
Even JT to an extent…They all got pushed off the puck very easily in their first seasons..They needed to get bigger and stronger and look at them now..
by KO21 on Jan 8, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How far are we from a Stanley Cup team?
I’m not talking about a playoff caliber team or even a contender, but a team you can look at on paper, like last year’s Bs (who made more sense in hindsight, admittedly), and see winning the Cup. This is just one guy’s opinion, but for a Stanley Cup level team, this is what we have at this point…
1ST LINE FORWARDS:
John Tavares
2ND-3RD LINE FORWARDS:
Josh Bailey
Frans Nielsen
Michael Grabner
Matt Moulson
Kyle Okposo
P.A. Parenteau
Matt Martin
1ST PAIR D:
N/A
2ND PAIR D:
Travis Hamonic
Mark Streit
3RD PAIR D:
Andy MacDonald
A STANLEY CUP TEAM WOULDN’T TOUCH THESE GUYS WITH A 10 FOOT POLE:
Jay Pandolfo
Marty Reasoner
Brian Rolston
Mark Eaton
Milan Jurcina
Mike Mottau
Steve Staios
I’m leaving guys like Niederreiter and Ullstrom off of this post because it’s just too early to tell, and same with even further away prospects, e.g. I hope one day Strome is right up there with Tavares. And goaltending…you don’t really know whether you have goalies that can win you a Cup until they’ve actually been tested in the playoffs, c.f. Luongo.
But my main point is that we have a long, long way to go. I just hope we make it there. Finishing at the bottom of the league this year might not be a bad thing (as long as we don’t draft any damn Russians).
by AlexTrots on Jan 8, 2012 12:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
a right shooting left wing named forsberg is likely going 3rd after nail and makail or however you spell the other russian kid's name, but...
the 4th and 5th picks will likely be Dmen murray and mathew dumba from canada. dumba is the kid i like right now.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, re-reading my post, I pose a question…do we have a long way to go? Looking at this, we actually have a roster of young, relatively talented forwards that, coached right, could grow into Stanley Cup caliber second and third lines. That leaves four holes…
o Two forwards to play alongside JT
o Two top-pair of D
Strome looks like he could be on his way to filling one of those holes. It seems like I’m one of the few pro-Nino guys around here sometimes, but I haven’t been nearly as disenchanted with his play, and am still hopeful that he could be the third piece of that line.
That leaves the top-pair D hole, which can be filled by a top 3 or 5 draft pick this year, or some offseason moves or trades. Right? So maybe in fact another draft or Garth finally making a big move can be the catalyst for a sudden turnaround in this franchise?
by AlexTrots on Jan 8, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think anyone is really down on Nino
he’s just 19 and contributing as most expect a 19 year old would…which is somewhat poorly defensively. He could fill that top line hole…or a Kirill or Brock or Anders. Or you have a guy play up a pay grade like PAP or Moulson…really not an awful first line if the low man is a 30 goal scorer or a 55 point guy.
Big problem is that D will take time to develop, and none of our prospects are really far enough along to command a good defenseman in return. We need our good vets right now, and our expendable vets are expendable because they’re pretty terrible.
Not that it’s hopeless either…I just think it has to be an almost “perfect” deal in order to shore up that D…or a realy savvy FA signing.,,which doesn’t happen often.
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I think that’s part of the problem with the Isles…I like guys like Moulson and PAP and Kyle, and do think they have talent, but it’s not 1st line talent. Yes, they’ll put up good numbers when you pair them with JT, but if you’re building a 1st line around them, you’re totally under-utilizing JT. That’s why I can’t wait for Strome to arrive or for Nino to evolve. I’m sure JT can’t wait either.
I totally agree on D taking time to develop. That’s why Garth’s job over the next six months seems so obvious to me…trade away this year’s 1st round, which we pretty know is going to be top 5, for a legitimate 1st pair defensemen.
hmmm
i see nothing that ko has done to date that puts him on par with first liners on contending teams, not yet anyway
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Once again, it's worth noting that.....
…..it’s a safe bet Moulson is going to be the Islanders first player to score 30+ goals in three consecutive seasons since his close spiritual twin, Ziggy…..that’s a very significant plateau given the consistent struggles this team has had with generating sufficient offense…..YES, Moulson IS 1st line material. Is he a superstar? Not really, but he’s most assuredly one of the top 50-75 players in the league as of now…..
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by ogam5 on Jan 8, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I believe
a top 12 goal scorer the last 3 years and pretty durable. Gotta love that.
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To have a multi-season Iron Man streak as a member of THIS team you have to be beyond durable lol.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
agreed, I think the D is the main thing right now
A better defense will help with outlet passing, with keeping the play alive in the offensive zone, with shot quality from the point… it’s a really big deal. Even one more front-line defender could put them in the playoff bubble. Think of how often the Isles control play as it is and it all goes begging. Now imagine being able to cash in on a few more of those; also imagine that on the other end, opponents aren’t picking up cheap goals because our defense limits second chances and clears people out of the dangerous areas.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I'd laugh if it wasn't so frustrating
He takes up so little space for a big guy. The games he takes the body and moves his feet, he’s effective. The games he stands still and waves his stick like a little kid making lightsaber noises, he’s useless.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 8, 2012 2:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've found our upgrade for half the D.

That will free up some room on the plane rides AND you can keep them in Cappy’s room on the road to save some cash. Still trying to fiure out what their cap hit would be, though.
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by Torgo on Jan 8, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
this is great
I will be laughing at this all day.
The cap hit could be higher then we think, depending on what kind of wood this D upgrade is made of—there are some pretty rare lumbers out there.
Sled is made of composites
So it breaks on point shots.
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I dont understand what that is.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
It's a coaching aid
used mostly in youth leagues for some passing and skating drills. More realistic D presence than a cone (or Jurcina) without needing an actual skater.
When I was coaching, we took some old truck tires and duct taped some old sticks to them. kinda like O\_ . I liked these because you could actually practice saucer passes through the tire, and if you hit one, it hit back a little instead of skittering across the ice.
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Nice :)
Thank you, I can see what youre saying when I look at it now.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I've been imagining that for quite some time
only to wake up with Eaton/Mottau induced cold sweats. I mean, it is entirely possible that quality defensive play ups just about everybody’s point totals on the team by 10 just because possession is so much more controlled.
Could you imagine someone like Yandle springing Grabner, JT, or Nino? Look what he did with Doan tonight…he’s not even that fast.
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I've been thinking the same
And starting to believe that theory more and more.
On a related note, and wondering how much Staios affects Streit here. Because Staios’ idea of moving the puck is ringing it around the boards and hope it’s not cut off.
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deHaan, Ness, Donovan, Mayfield and Pedan
We all better hope that at least a couple of those kids are for real – and take less than the usual time to get here.
that has to happen or we have to trade for at least two D
and one a top 4…
can’t wait 6 and 7 years for mayfield and pedan to hit their prime age, some of the young forwards may not even be around anymore then
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Remember that they will be drafting young forwards that whole time, too.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
the average hockey player hits their prime around 25
there are approx. 15 forwards in the system at one level or other who are prospects or players under the age of 25, who, if they meet their ceiling, or somewhere between ceiling and bust, will be nhlers. take the mean of their age, plus the d and goalie prospects, and when that mean hits 25, you have a rudimentary idea of when this team will peak.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I tried to convince people that NHLers peak around 25/26 but people just didn't want to believe it. In everyone's
mind they peak at 28 to 30 and no amount of evidence will convince people otherwise.
b/c times have changed as has the game, amount of teams etc
i was one of those ppl, it used to be 27 or 28…i think it was garik or ozzie who posted data on this
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
But the best ones typically maintain their level of play pretty well through age 28-30...
…I think, unless they have a bad injury.
In other words, I think a typical good player performs better at age 28 than 22 even if the average player peaks at 25.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'd agree
and even though there offense generally drops around 31-33, their defense improves to the point where they are much better all around players…Yzerman come to mind immediately
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, the good players maintain a high level for a while but if you're looking at a young guy and hoping that
he’ll get better and he’s already 24 or 25 its no that likely that he’ll get that much better.
our current first line isn't the problem
nor is the 4th line
it’s the 2nd & 3rd never scoring – or not nearly enough
Grabner is the biggest issue here
he'd be fine on the 3rd line at this point
at best
we have too many soft players, not enough mobility on defense, and yes we need a better 2nd line finisher
though Martin-Bailey-PAP & Grabner-Nielsen-Nino could be tried as combos for now anyway
(Nino needs either better linemates or to be sent to Portland – wallowing on the 4th line isn’t useful)
The 4th line isn't a problem?
The 4th line is yoru checking line your physical line.
Of course, it’s a problem. They aren’t doing their job.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We can?
explain how Plandalfo, Wallace and Reasoner are “okay”.
What do any of them bring to the team? Name one memorable play any of them have made all year. Not to Mention Nino should be nowhere near these hacks.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think the point goes back to the idea
that you really souldn’t be expecting memorable plays out of the fourth line. I’m much more concerned with the fact that I really can’t point to any (positive) memorable plays out of D# 4-6 or out of the 3rd line than the fourth.
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i think you generally expect your 4th line
to provide checking, defense, a spark, energy, spare the top 3 lines…whatever offense you get is gravy, but you still have to get some offensive production, otherwise, your accumulative team scoring totals will be effected, which will hurt the team. last year was the prime example, a fourth line that was tough as nails but couldn’t put the puck in the ocean, took a lot of penalties thus causing pkers to be overworked, and, they were bad defensively which meant the opposition had an improved chance to score or draw a powerplay everytime they were on the ice…if it was ZK who took the penalty all the better b/c that meant the top faceoff guy was gone.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
IMO,
a 4th liner on average should provide around 8-10 goals a season.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly this
But I think you could argue that they’ve gotten the defense. The hitting is back and forth depending on where Martin is playing (Wallace has been decent in that department) and the spark, energy and mild offense is what’s missing. They’ve also take far less penalties, so that’s good.
I agree that Pandolfo and others of the 4th line have been a disappointment, but lets also not forget that the fact is also that Martin did so well on that 4th that he’s been promoted (or taken over due to injuries..either way, he’s not there).
The missing offense is the big piece…but as Ben noted, their PDO is sketchy too, so you can possibly expect some rebound there.
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yeah, but some of us think the reason for the lack of scoring is:
No room for the players like the second half of last year.
Or at the very least it is a PART of the problem.
So, if you’re going to say that the offense is the real problem, go back to what is missing form our good second half, and look at what has been added.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
but the expectations for the 4th line are not going to be the same as top 3
clearly to me the greatest problem with the top 3 lines is no physical grinding wingers to make room, protect and drive the net…Isles wings are far to soft…but putting forthliners up there is desparation, not a solution
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody said it was a solution.
We surely know the over the hill gang is the solution, right?
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
That's not an argument anyone is making though
I wish we had guys that are capable of playing 2nd or 3rd line minutes that can also bang.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yep, and as of now those guys are in the system but other than
ullstrom and martin are not nhl ready
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well, who doesn't?
The point is, we don’t have those guys yet.
You guys have a great day. I’m glad you like watching these guys. I don’t. i’m done discussing it though. You guys never make a single point as to why these guys should be on the team. Not one.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
but you just answers you own question
the prospects are not ready to replace the stop-gaps…and i’d freak if snow traded the prospects for more stop-gaps
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Not sure why you get all foot stompy and door slammy about this
Nobody said they enjoy watching Pandolfo. Not saying they should be on the team…just saying that they are, and their play is not atrocious, it is just different a different type of disadvantage.
One set of players brings one thing to the table, one set another, and neither are a full package or good right now…and either way, if the top 9 and the D were playing better either set of fourth liners would be more liveable.
I can’t justify having them on the team…just like I can’t justify carrying Gillies, Konopka and Haley. They bring different things.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
plus, Martin has evolved into a legit player
and for that reason, we seemed to have forgotten last year it was actually 4 goons out of 12 forwards the Isles dressed. Can’t justify that.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
and really, I said somewhere else, Martin was on the 4th line bringing that toughness…now he’s played well and been promoted leaving the 4th line, not as tough. It will be a bit different when Ullstrom is back.
Capuano also said in Newsday that Pandolfo “knows the situation” as it pertains to the roster. Chances are, he wouldn’t have been playing if Reasoner didn’t get hurt.
It sounded like Cappy was prepping the media for a demotion or scratching of Pando (at least) right before he came back.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Indeed
I’d like it…Unfortunately, and this is what really grinds my gears, I don’t think they’ll move Rolston out of the top 9.
So either Ullstrom or Martin will be back to the 4th.
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Probably right
which actually makes the Reasoner loss worse. They might have been willing to go with Nino-Reasoner-Rolston, but that’s not likely with whomever replaces Reasoner.
Unless that's where they go kid line
with Ullstrom/Nino/Martin or something. Interesting decisions coming.
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With due respect this is a little but misleading. Your 4th line is your 4th best line. But if you can significantly
upgrade the personnel on the 4th line you should do it even if your upgrade is more of a scorer and less of a checker. What’s the downside? You score too many goals? You just want better all-around players whether that value is from slightly worse defense and much better offense or slightly worse offense and much better defense. Just get better. And we could really benefit from a better 4th line. But we could also benefit from a better 2nd and 3rd line too.
by TMS71 on Jan 8, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You don't have to expect anything
But our 4th line guys provided plenty of moments last year.
And DID the JOB they were asked to do. Unlike the over the hill gang.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
i loved the toughness, but have to disagree beyond that
the cost the team too often due to lack of hockey talent, if only gillies, sk and haley could have been molded with grabs, moulson and comeau…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
And these guys are helping the team?
Right? Come on, man.
The point is, these guys didn’t improve anything.
All they did was piss their teammates off with the favortism they received (that’s my opinion) and collected paychecks they haven’t earned. That’s not an opinion.
Are Reasoner, Pandolfo and Wallace being molded with Grabs, KO and Comeau? You keep saying things against the guys we had last year, but still haven’y shown what these gusy bring to the team?
Nobody can. Why are they here?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
what i mean is you can't take gillies and grabs and make them one player
gillies in particular would never have signed an nhl contract with anyone had the isles not made the offer. in short, the team was so soft and getting pushed around that they had to protect the kids…however, they goons never were very good hockey players. you can’t have as many soft players as the isles did and expect to move up, you also can’t carry that many goons on your roster and expect to move up…team toughness has to improve, and we need tougher players on the wings who can actually play. something has to give, and yes, i agree rolston and reasoner haven’t panned out, but had the team stood pat, we’d be complaining about them keeping too many goons etc.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know what you mean
You keep saying the goons shouldn’t be here,. but you have yet to explain why the over the hill gang should be.
That’s my point. i’d have no problem replacing any of them with a real NHL player, they just didn’t do that. They took our favorites away and replace them with garbage.
I’m glad you’re happy about it, I’m not.
And I don’t think Haley is a goon.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not saying the goons shouldn't be hear, i like physical hockey
but you can’t carry 3 goons and expect to ice a decent team, unless your top 3 lines are simply loaded with highend talent…
and no, i am not happy that reasoner hasn’t played up to his standards, and that rolston has been a bust…but i also know there are no good teams that dress 3 goons a night
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
if haley stopped fighting, and tried to become a rusher, he'd soon be an usher
he’s a pro for his fighting skills, that’s what got him to the show and has kept him earning a paycheck
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
So?
he still more offensive than the clowns they replaced him with, and he brings something that most can’t. That’s how sad they are.
But keep sticking up for them. It’s comical. I’m starting to get the feeling you liked these moves at the beginning, and now won’t admit you were wrong.
“but i also know there are no good teams that dress 3 goons a night”
Once again, what do the other 3 guys bring to the team? Will you ever answer this question? Do good teams dress guys like pandalfo, Wallace and Reasoner? Of course not.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
But while claiming what others don't bring to the table
i will ignore the fact that the guys they replaced them with have done less than the “goons” did.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
again, i see it as to separate issues, but...
outside of fighting, the goons produce so low that rolston has done better, not saying much, and reasoner is only 2 goals and 2 assists away after 35 games from matching zk entire 82 game total last season.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
haley and gillies are still with the team
haley is probably the most talented of the 3 but that is limited. i liked the reasoner signing, saw the rolston signing as small patatoes…if you look back, i was a big supporter of resigning ZK after the pitts game…i’m not sticking up for anyone, it is simply that your taking one polemic position, so i end up arguing the other side of the coin…
actually, i see it as two, separate issues…that the upgrades needed to happen i accept. ZK, gillies and haley were not the answer.
that the upgrades so far haven’t panned out, is a different issue. i had hoped that haley would be something like domi, a goon who could play some hockey, sometimes on 3rd or 2nd line. that hasn’t happened. in fact, you could make a pretty good case that gillies this season has been as expected, but that haley has not. haley had a very rough start this year, so he would be in the same category as rolston and reasoner for me…i’m disappointed.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
in all of this, we have forgotten that the Isles were actually dressing 4, not 3 goons last year with limited talent
Martin had no business in the nhl last year. he was there for one reason and one reason alone. garik wrote an interesting study on this, and both ozzie and myself fought him tooth and nail on it…4 goons with such limited talent is not something you see everyday on an nhl team. Martin has been a very pleasant suprise this year. which is why he is still with the team, not in minors or elsewhere.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Gillies was at a different level of
…poor hockey play than the other 3. I’ll agree with that. Better than 99% of hockey players in the world, but still pretty poor by NHL standards.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
IMHO, a Goon is a player who doesnt really play...He fights...Hes a bully...
I think there is a difference between enforcers and goons…Enforcers play hockey and step up when needed…Goons don’t play except when its time to send a message..
have to disagree here, tomato,toe-mat-oh
if fighting is the one thing you have to do to keep you in the NHL b/c you lack everything else, or enough of something else to stay, that’s a goon to me.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
are you suggesting Haley, Martin and Zeke would have still been in NHL if they didn't fight?
Gillies is just the easiest to label goon…Martin was a horrible all around player last year…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Martin was coming around last year...
He was our best 4th liner…Now hes a guy who can play and stand up when needed or enforce…
yep, Martin is more than just a goon now
he can actually play with higher lines a bit, not hurt team on defense and score some
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Haley has been playing better as of late in BP
but he and Wishart have both disappointed me
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps Haley would be a little better of an actual player
…if he didn’t have to fight. He’s decent at skating— no worse than Reasoner, Rolston, or Pandolfo.
Is this a catch-22?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
when you can fight like Haley, you use it
but i agree on the glimpses of talent, which is why i am disappointed in his play this year until recently…pleasantly surprised by Martin and optimistic for his future, and Gillies is Gillies.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
kind of like Domi
but of course Haley is a better skater and stick handler. Domi was a goon who could play third line, and add 10 goals a year, maybe throw in a career year or two…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Domi was a very good skater
But I’m not very familiar with him, aside from his fighting.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 8, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
IMHO Okposo is a potential 1st liner, but has never put a season together where he has put of 1st line numbers
so far he has played like a 3rd liner if he were on a contending team, which is the top 1/3 of league, or rather those teams with over 100 points per season.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, re-reading my post, I pose a question…do we have a long way to go? Looking at this, we actually have a roster of young, relatively talented forwards that, coached right, could grow into Stanley Cup caliber second and third lines. That leaves four holes…
o Two forwards to play alongside JT
o Two top-pair of D
Strome looks like he could be on his way to filling one of those holes. It seems like I’m one of the few pro-Nino guys around here sometimes, but I haven’t been nearly as disenchanted with his play, and am still hopeful that he could be the third piece of that line.
That leaves the top-pair D hole, which can be filled by a top 3 or 5 draft pick this year, or some offseason moves or trades. Right? So maybe in fact another draft or Garth finally making a big move can be the catalyst for a sudden turnaround in this franchise?
hat trick
Hey does anyone know if this was the longest span in between goals for a hat trick in a regulation game?
by bigmike92 on Jan 8, 2012 1:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Doubtful
I’m sure somebody did it in OT….or in the playoffs in double OT or something. You can tweet to Eric Hornick…the guy knows (or can find out) just about anything.
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What I don't understand about the Isles this season is...
last season they finished a fairly cohesive unit. They lost plenty of games, but they played well enough to look like a real team—albeit an undermanned one. This season they seem divided, playing on different teams who happen to wear the same jersey and sit on the same bench. The personnel didn’t change that drastically. The top two lines of last season are still here (although broken into different formations), yet players like Grabner are unproductive and sometimes invisible. While aged vets joined the team this season, last season (the second half) saw the Bridgeport Shuttle bringing players up and down as injuries dictated. The coach nor any of the core players changed, but what happened to the team? It can’t all be Rolston or Pandolfo or Mottau, especially if people argue that the coach does not deserve a good chunk of the blame. If it is these aged vets, then whose fault is it that certain geriatric ex-Devils continue to be rewarded with top 6 minutes? This team is in a bad way. This season is lost. The rebuild isn’t a failure, but it is far from a success. What we know is that we have a few good players in the mix, but this team might be picking top 5 all the way to 2015 when it isn’t a guarantee that they remain the New York anythings.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
I now most of you don't want to admit it
“last season they finished a fairly cohesive unit. They lost plenty of games, but they played well enough to look like a real team—albeit an undermanned one.”
They chased off all their heart and grit for Pandalfo, Wallace, Rolston and Reasoner.
It wouldn’t matter who we got rid of though, when those guys are what you get in return. What have any of them done? Really? Have any of them made a memorable play all year long?
And they still have fucking jobs. You think the guys on the team who actually earned their spot aren’t turned off by these coasters? If this was your job and Brian Rolston showed up and took your perks and got paid more than you for doing nothing and not earning his spot, how would you feel? I’d be pissed, and it might affect my performance. It’s human nature.
Goalies are being run, tonight Nabby was getting hit with a stick while Eaton and Wallace watched, last year in the 2nd half, our kids skated around and had space and teams quit bullying us. So how do we repay them? We sign pandalfo. let the bullying commence. . Yuck.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 5:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The truth is hard to listen to...
Garth really fucked things up, IMHO…
I'm getting less debaters this time than normal
Like I’ve said, i understand why he brough in the vets. veteran leadership was greatly lacking last year. But the guys he got failed, and they continue to use them. It’s okay to make a mistake, it’s not okay not to learn from it,.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
the vets haven't panned out at all
but there is no question snow and staff have done an excellent job restocking the prospect pool and some of these have already panned out…obviously a number of the prospects will never reach their ceiling. that is simply not statistically possible…the question is, does the team want to be patient with the kids and wait the years they need to reach their collective prime? personally i think history has shown you do.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
why would we bother replying?
They win a few, these complaints magically vanish. They lose a couple, and they don’t have enough grit and the stopgaps suck. Lather rinse repeat. There’s no point in us just shouting at each other about it – so by all means, have a good shout.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 8, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I never stopped complaiing about the lack of grit during any of our winning streaks.
Or Our lack of defense.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well quite frankly, it's INCREDIBLY ANNOYING
We get it. You think we need more grit. You think we need a better fourth line in terms of toughness. I seriously think I’ve read about 20 comments from you about this topic, and I think we get it.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, so don’t interpret it that way. I’m saying you don’t have to tell us 20 times, because it doesn’t make it right.
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 8, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
People are willing to argue with him then its not his problem...
People shouldn’t respond if they don’t want to hear it…
And they aren't
Which is why, if you noticed, he said “I’m getting less debaters this time.”
Like I said, his opinion may not be wrong, but his approach is.
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 8, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
They loose allot...If they are winning there isnt a reason to complain...
There is a reason why people complain…People are willing to over look the problems when they win…Thats the ultimate goal…If they win they are usually playing physical anyway…
PS. Why is this post green?lol
But why is a lock of toughness always cited as the primary reason for losing? I just don't see it. I really don't.
I think the team is not good enough. I mean at the skills of hockey. Skating, stick-handling, shooting, passing, checking. That’s what it looks like to me. I don’t really see this lack of toughness. Maybe if you were more specific about the plays and how it really leads to losing I’d give it more weight.
by TMS71 on Jan 8, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this team's problems are myriad
that’s the short version of this conversation
toughness, D, scoring
not much we need really
I don' t think lack of toughness is the only problem..
But its one major issue that shouldn’t be…Garth fucked that up, IMHO…
"Why is this post green?"
I’ve got a theory (but see what sayvillelax94 said above): Perhaps because people are tired of hearing the same debatable theory espoused over and over again billed as “the truth,” with responses to it disregarded, and a pity party thrown on top of it.
I’m actually receiving complaints over email about this very thing: The sheer numbing redundancy of it.
The funny thing is you have lots of people debating different angles of how this roster does not measure up or what decisions Snow made poorly. Just because someone disagrees with one person’s particular reasons or theories doesn’t mean they are in denial or “don’t want to listen to the truth” — they’re at this site debating a bad team, for Christ’s sake — it just means that they might, just possibly, have a different view that’s worth considering.
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by Dominik on Jan 10, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
But this blog has gotten soft without AP (seriously, where is that guy?)!
Also, it’s ridiculous the way SBNation treats LHH like a second-class blog. We never get anything on the front page!
And what’s up with the alternate, third advertisements? Don’t they care what the audience thinks at all?
Finally, I know you don’t have the best talent to work with, but I’m just not sure you’re the right guy to take this blog to the next level Dom. Your usage of Keith and mikb has been pretty questionable at times.
by afrosupreme on Jan 10, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't agree about the bullying. The problem with the guys you mentioned is that they aren't very good at playing
hockey anymore.
by TMS71 on Jan 8, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That too
The defense is horrible, the gm thought these guys would help, our goalie doesn’t want to be here, and the one who did got abused because nobody came to his aid with the exception of Hammer in the beginning of the season. But the space they had last year is gone. I’m not saying that’s the only reason, just the one i notice the most,
But hey, we needed the secondary scoring of Pandalfo, Reasoner and Wallace.
When is that secondary scoring getting here?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well, not sure about some of this
I don’t think they wanted secondary scoring out of any of those guys, just responsible defense. I think the secondary scoring was supposed to come from Rolston (I know it hasn’t) and a lot of the guys that were already here (Evolution of Bailey, return of Okposo/Streit continued/increased production from FN and MG and perhaps some rookie lightning in a bottle with Nino).
If you’re expecting secondary scoring out of your fourth line, you’re doing it wrong…you should hope they aren’t killing you, and really, they haven’t. They just haven’t contributed much.
Still think the defense is the biggest issue and full team physicality is of course lacking, but even in BPT, save Haley, there aren’t too many answers on the physical end.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay
Whose fault is that?
Theirs. They ran all the physicalality off. And Hillen and Marty.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Boy, I butchered that word.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
well, they robbed Peter to pay Paul I guess. You can’t say that the D play of that 4th line is worse than the guys who were there last year…just like I couldn’t say that it is equally physical.
It’s funny, because the year before last, there was a similar 4th line construction to this year with Park/Thompson/Sim etc, which was a better hockey line than last year’s 4th also…then they went to the physical 4th last year and it was worse.
I just think (and again, this is probably where you’ll disagree with me) that in the grand scheme of things, the 4th line isn’t immensely important…it’s that the other three and the defense aren’t getting it done.
I feel like if they were, either type of fourth line would look like a better contributor…like if there was more physicality or scoring throughout the lineup, we wouldn’t even be discussing a line that is getting about 8 minutes a night, know what I mean?
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I probably wouldn't complain if we had any physicality at all.
We have the bare minuimum, which is none.
Except for Martin’s hitting.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
but guarantee you wouldn’t complain about physicality if this team was the Red Wings either (which of course is a huge stretch).
Just like I wouldn’t complain about lack of goal scoring if the team was playing like the Rangers (very physical while not scoring a lot).
In the end, I feel like it’s about the wins/losses and certain things I’d let slide if there was some winning involved. Of course I’d like the full package like the Bruins and the Canucks, but how many teams can honestly say they have that?
It’s all about degrees I guess…and unfortunately the Isles are frozen solid in both departments.
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The Wings have big physical players...
dont they?
They have Bertuzzi
Abdelkader and Kronwall and Stuart..not a lot though, but probably more than in past years.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Franzen too
very strong on skates, he is the lucic, maybe even better when healthy…
the wings were probably the 1st team in the league to recognize the major improvements in the swedish hockey system, and exploited that well before anyone else, getting top end talent from sweden repeatedly in late rounds. power to them….about half their team is swedish. of course the rest of the league is now aware and that scouting advantage is gone….by far Canada, the USA and Sweden are the main producers of NHL talent in the modern era.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
And Finland is goaltender country.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure if I was a Wings fan
I would complain about lack of physicality.
But I would also get to win now and then. Jimmy Howard won’t make it through the year getting run like he has, just like Montoya didn’t.
And to compare our toughness to Wings is laughable. They may not beat people up, but they have guys like Johan Fransen. You ever watch him play? That guy guy is plenty tough.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
they don't call him the mule for nothing
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
he is a beast
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
that toughness they have in spades really…guys willing to pay the price in front and along the boards.
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Thats a big part of why they're a winner...
They’re sure is hell not pushovers
"the 4th line isn’t immensely important"
After thinking and debating an reading, this is exactly it. I think what the isles were going for “ultimately” each year would have been fine: 4th line center=defensive faceoff specialist and fill-ins. But “fill-ins” should be $500k/yr or ELC players imho. After going through this, I think “that” is the way any team should address their 4th line. Although an energy player is nice to have (haley-type, martin-type), but not necessary. A fighter is nice to have but not necessary. Etc, etc.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
It would've been nice to have a fight when we down 3 -1 last night, and try to get the team back in it.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
And again it was funny
that PAP was the guy that tried to start some shit.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I find it sad
And an indication of how soft we are. Good on Pap, but he should be filling other roles.
It does make me like him even more than I already do though. I think it’s more of a sign he knows what’s wrong too.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely agree
but I love that he brings it…he should be extended just for doing shit like that..if you could replicate that kind of effort in everyone, they’d be above .500.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im with you.
I was already happy with PAP even last season, but this season has solidified my opinion of him as a guy who is simply an asset to have on your side.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
remember all the crap he took last year? Those people are silent about him this year.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
i think keeping pap is actually a priority ahead of
both streit and neilson at this point…i’m expecting the ice to get one of the top d men in the draft, from the 4th to 8th picks…and i think they need to do like endmonton did with penner and get another mid to late first (oilers got klefbom 26th this way) and get griffin reinhart or some other big d
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Its true.
But really, who would have the nuts to complain about a guy who has been either leading the team or 2nd in points all season?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
The way this team is with scoring, you cannot have PAP doing anything but playing hockey.
For me, it is becoming astounding the lack of secondary scoring on this team.
There is JT, Matty, PAP, Ox, and I will throw in Martin because any scoring he gives you is a bonus when you consider his hitting, and Nielsen, because any scoring he gives you with his defensive play is a bonus.
Thats 6 guys, and two of them only provide marginal scoring.
The rest are almost completely non-existent on the score sheet.
Incredible.
will someone pass this message to Garth???
If you’re expecting secondary scoring out of your fourth line, you’re doing it wrong…
That's uh...on the expectations of the fans, not Garth.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 8, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what Garth did expect out of these guys?
Obviously nothing. They still all have jobs.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
the cast of cocoon?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
We didnt need secondary scoring for our 4th line...
We had more balanced scoring than any other team in the NHL, last season…We needed to improve the defense but instead Garth felt the need to upgrade the 4th line…The 4th line isn’t expected to score that much!
Yep
They’re supposed to punish and hit.
Jay pandalfo to the rescue!!
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
If this was your job and Brian Rolston showed up and took your perks and got paid more than you for doing nothing and not earning his spot, how would you feel?
You’d be COZO’ing to Calgary.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 8, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
let’s look at it then. The team did begin to play much better last season (and there are a ton of interconnected variables so whatever) when Eaton and Mottau were gone. They were replaced by younger faster players in Hillen and Reese and Gervais right?
I’d like to look up the Isles record with either or both or those two in and those two out, because I suspect it’s vastly different. And apparently, the Jurcina anomaly only works (he’s effective when) he’s paired with a speedy defender (Reese/Hillen), so that may play a part in it. Even this season, he doesn’t look bad with Streit or Reese, but with Mottau and Eaton he looks terrible (and worse with Eaton in my opinion).
And this will be blasphemy of course, but on the eye test, I think Eaton actually looks worse than Mottau out there…or more to the point, Eaton’s partners always seem to look worse than Mottau’s partners out there.
I was looking at some of the shift charts, and it looks like over the past couple of games there’s been times where Cappy has experimented with the D pairs (and guys that don’t usually play together), I’m almost wondering if there’s been some confusion as to ‘which side’ they think they’re supposed to be covering because I’ve seen a few times where both D men are in the same spot on the same side of the ice.
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No doubt losing Hillen for Mottau and Eaton hurt too.
And Marty too.
i never understand the hate for Hillen. he sure would help carry the puck in the zone this year wouldn’t he? Then again Reese does too, and he was on the bench last night.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely Hilen would help, buuuutt...
I thin the thing is, Hillen isn’t great by any stretch. On most teams, I don’t think he would be the answer. He certainly isn’t a large featured part of Nashville, but comparably speaking, he is a tremendous upgrade over what’s here now…and I think most other teams would be laughing about how Isles fans have to lament the loss of Jack Hillen in their terrible season.
Agreed though, he’d be a huge upgrade…hell, I feel like Gervais would be also.
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Wonder what that conditional pick will end up being.
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Hillen isn't great
But he blows Eton and Mottau away, and even Juice.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
New York Islanders
Where Jack Hillen, Radek Martinek, Michael Haley and Zenon Konopka are kings!
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Not kings
Just better than what we have.
I don’t ever mention Konopka much either.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
gillies equalled ZK in goals last year, in half the games and less ice time per
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It was awesome when Trevor scored
Might have made his whole career.
regardless of how you feel about him, he didn’t invent hockey fighting, he just wanted a job. And he worked hard to get that job, It was cool seeing him get those goals.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
i liked gillies, hey every time i hear other teams complain about him what i hear is
this guy is doing his job for us
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Look how happy his teammates were for him.
yeah, they didn't want him around
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Pure skill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3eqTUl455A
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
You know things are dire when you long for the return of the Chef.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 8, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I love the post game threads after bad losses...
LOL!
Penn State Proud
by pennst92 on Jan 8, 2012 3:18 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I stopped watching in the middle of the game tonight
but went back to look at the in game thread later because I’m a glutton for punishment, the comments were golden. LHH makes it easier to cope being an Islanders fan.
Not that I don’t prefer winning but I think the gallows humor is my favorite part of this site.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
by ArsenalLI on Jan 8, 2012 3:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
trade deadline
is on my birthday, hope i get something awesome this year.
if you like 3rd or 4th round picks
you may be in luck
by Madchef on Jan 8, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agression
You need a few guys like Hartnell , Lucic, or even Doan, who have some talent, but you know they give 100% all the time and are edgy, take no shit players that lead by example. Maybe Nino will develop this. Who knows. A couple more Matt Martins and less older “leaders” is really what this team needs. Trouble is they don’t grow on trees.
by 4195mary on Jan 8, 2012 8:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You wonder about the leadership stuff and kind of being 'neutered'
I like what PAP and Martin and JT have to say in pre/post game interviews. I happen to think they come off as the most down to earth and passionate voices on the team, but you wonder if they feel that they can’t be vocal leaders just because of who was given a C, which veterans are on the team, their age, contract status etc.
I honestly could see PAP taking more of a vocal role if/when he gets a contract extension. I mean as bad as his penalties were in the last couple of games, here’s a 190 lb guy running goalies and trying to stir up shit who never really had that piece in his game…he gets it, he knows what may need to be done to win games. His timing and approach may be off because it’s not a usual piece of his game, but he recognizes it and tries. That’s exactly what you would want from a leader or captain type. Same with Martin.
My hope is that the coaching staff recognizes and encourages that type of player on this team. I mean, both of those guys have been bounced around to different lines and asked to do some pretty heavy lifting, haven’t complained, continue to battle, and both continue to produce.
Also, I would love Doan here and hoped the Isles would trade for him on more than one occasion. He was never a great scorer, but always a hard worker, hustler, banger and pretty productive. Class act.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Could not agree more
PAP shows intensity on the ice and off. Two games ago, he could have won the game for us with the chances he missed, but its even good to note one guy on the team who had chances. And I believe those chances are ones that he creates through effort.
by JackandAce on Jan 8, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
going to the net hard too. For a “soft, perimeter player” he is certainly adding some new wrinkles to his game…it’s great to see.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
Those three have the markings of good veteran leadership. Its up to other guys to follow their example. Even Nabokov has said he’s impressed with Tavares’ work ethic and attitude.
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YES! there in is the greatest problem up front
we are building a team with skilled centres, but the wings are as soft as butter in july…we have grinders in minors, but martin and ullstrom are the only wingers with some jam on the nhl roster…ko should be playing tougher too
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Hockey night live...
Although I don’t do this often, I have to agree with Dave Maloney last night. He simply stated that the isles are not a good enough team yet. Jaffe followed up by saying the isles need to play mistake free hockey to win on most nights and that’s just not possible in today’s NHL.
As far as capuano goes, anyone who’s read any of my comments knows how I feel about him. I’ll still bring up the point of how ppl ripped me apart very early in the season for calling him out. Funny thing to me is, the last few games I see a team who is competing like hell and everyone is still griping on the coach. If you can get tape of the last 3 games compared to the isles first 3 there is an obvious difference. Having said that, it’s still the same little things that make you wonder about cappy which have already been stated throughout this post. Cappy has shown more fire, but we’re still a team with no structure. Competing is great, but we’re running around like a bunch of chickens with our heads cut off. This team needs a teacher and disciplinarian behind the bench who has a respected track record. Blues players explained how Hitchcock would tell them what to do and then explain to them why he is having them do it. Then the players buy in. At least for nino’s sake, bring someone in like this. The poor kid is absolutely lost out there. I don’t know who the coach for the job is, but until we find him we’ll likely be treading water.
by LaFontaine16 on Jan 8, 2012 10:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Whenever a defender gets beat 1 on 1 in the defensive zone another guy has to vacate his position so as not to give the
puck carrier a clear path to the net. Then it all breaks down. We have slow defensemen who often cannot contain the puck carrier. That will lead to a disorganized look but its not always because of missed assignments.
Of course sometimes it is because of missed assignments and just plain confusion over who is supposed to cover whom.
by TMS71 on Jan 8, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Horses.
We don’t have them.
Maloney is right. And Jaffe is right.
And you may be right about Capuano. I don’t know.
But if there is any hope for the future, it is that among Lee, Strome, and Nelson, two of them work out in a BIG way. Two, not one. One only means we plod along getting better.
And in the meantime, we just pray that out of all these guys in Bridgeport, some of them bring just NHL level talent to the show.
We have right now, as Jaffe suggests, too many guys that are not even NHL level talent.
I agree completely. You win races with thorougbreds and we only have one. We need a couple more.
Nino is not looking like one although I hold out hope that he’ll become a consistent 25 goal scorer.
Although I don’t do this often, I have to agree with Dave Maloney last night. He simply stated that the isles are not a good enough team yet. Jaffe followed up by saying the isles need to play mistake free hockey to win on most nights and that’s just not possible in today’s NHL.
Dead on, especially the part about playing mistake free hockey. Even on nights when they play great for 55 minutes, they can make such massive mistakes in the other 5 that winning becomes near-impossible.
This is why I don’t agree with the calls for toughness, or new coaching, or anything else. The winning play to finish last year had more to do with a run of good luck than anything else. I was hoping for some more wins this year, but the defense is too compromised by AMac and Strreit’s injuries to be remotely effective.
The playoffs have been long gone, but I’m still enjoying watching them to see how JT can improve, how KO can fit in on the top line, if AMac and Streit seem stronger in March than October, and how our callups go on as the season progresses. It’s hard to do as a fan, but you almost have to throw out caring about the Ws and Ls and look at the bigger picture, and the help coming down the pike.
I have the same outlook on this season and I agree about last years winning stretch. It was luck just like that long losing
streak was a due in large part to bad luck. I’m still having fun watching them and I still get excited on day’s when they have a game for me to watch when I get home from work.
The Fail for Nail is on...
Just noticed we play @ Columbus on the last night of regular season. Lez do it. We have something to play for.
I'll bet
on that night, a goal will bounce off both Wiz and Martinek to give the Isles an overtime win and the fail for Nail will be blown.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
That has a chance to be an epic, but unique, game. Can you imagine the vibe with a direct effect on lottery positioning on the line? Its both exciting and horrifying at the same time.
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by PGI on Jan 8, 2012 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Isles bring up Trever Gillies and give him 1st line minutes
Cody Rosen sees his professional debut.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
If that were to ever happen
you just know Tavares would do some amazing play trying to get Gillies a goal.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
and it would work
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 8, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I Wouldn't Assume Nail is a Lock for 1st Overall
I can see teams backing off a speedy, very skilled winger in favor of bigger skilled prospects like Grigorenko or Galchenyuk. Nail’s got concussion written all over him.
I took absolutely in joy in Doans hat-trick...
I don’t give a crap about Doan.
not saying PA and his line played a good game, but
PA was remarkably on for 11-3 shots in favor of the Isles just to end up with that -3. Similar numbers for Rolston (11-2, -2) and Nielsen (9-2, -2).
I feel like
they were on the ice a lot with Jurcina/Eaton….and that probably plays a lot into that total.
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Meaning
that when they had the puck deep, they were effective, but also gave up a lot of chances when the puck was in the D zone. There were a couple of occasions where I saw Nielsen flailing around like Mottau out there…and that’s unusual.
They were on for the first goal where Streit and Staois were both standing in front of the net taking one man with no D man pursuit on the puck carrier.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
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Is it possible
that regardless of what line he’s on, Rolston makes his other linemates worse? I noticed this with Bailey at first, and now with Nielsen. I have no evidence to back this up, but it doesn’t seem too far-fetched, in my opinion, and this is coming from a guy who actually thinks Rolston had a pretty decent last couple of games.
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I think it's more the D pairings
and that may be the luck of the draw…last night for instance (as Ben pointed out), the Eaton/Jurcina pairing got about equal time with all lines. I suspect that this may be the times that any particular line looked “bad”.
In other games, it almost looked like there was a method to the madness with certain lines getting certain D pairings. Now, it makes sense to shelter a weak D pairing when it was FNGO, but FNPAPR is obviously not going to do that job as well.
It’s an interesting exercise…it would be cool to see something that combines Dobber’s line composition generator with BTN’s Corsi pages to see that interplay.
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I don't think there's any question
Rolston does not help his linemates
I’d like to see Bailey with PAP WITHOUT Rolston
another reason to try Martin-Bailey-PAP – that’s a combo that could develop some chemistry
but Cappy won’t try it
rolston is too slow
given the market, and that jersey was willing to eat hunter’s 4 mil, it was a fair gamble that rolston would help the pp on the point for a mil over one year. hopefully he will have a better second half like last season.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
whose going to score on that line?
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
pap is a great puck carrier and playmaker
nothing special as a goal scorer
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
but that isn't saying much
i think inorder to take advantage of pap’s skills, you need a trigger man on his line….i’d like to see Grabs play with pap and Bailey
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 9, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely
PAP’s shot is his weakness. He’s a set-up guy.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 9, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
well, maybe
For context, they played a bit over 5 minutes with Streit/Staios, just over 4 with Eaton/Jurcina and just under 4 with Hamonic/MacDonald. And most of the night against Doan’s line.
I personally wouldn’t read too much into it. I just hadn’t seen anything like that and felt it shows what the night must have felt liked for PA. You allow just three shots on goal, keep the Doan line just about in check most of the night, get a good amount of shots on net yourself, have a couple of decent scoring chances and yet come out with that -3. No matter what caused the goals there or how those breakdowns went down, that’s just hard to swallow.
Oh, indeed
I’ve had nights like that playing, and it is hugely deflating. Nights where we would dominate a shift for over a minute in the offensive zone and then poof, weak goal against.
Would love to see Ullstrom on that line when he gets back…not that Rolston did anything particularly egregious last night, but you have to think that his speed and physicality would be a bit more helpful than Rolston’s um, shot.
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PA was remarkably on for 11-3 shots in favor of the Isles just to end up with that -3. Similar numbers for Rolston (11-2, -2) and Nielsen (9-2, -2).
When youre losing you take more risks, I think thats the factor here.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
That’s honestly why I went with “tough” night versus “bad” night. Nobody feels good about a minus-3, esp. after one goal was your guy, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t do good things elsewhere in the game.
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It's amazing the amount of fans the Isles have left,
They are very lucky. Most teams wouldn’t have this many loyal fans after this long of serious ineptitude.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's quite simple
We all hate ourselves.
Same goes to Mets and Jets fans.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 8, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ITS GAMES LIKE THIS
that convince me we still are not going to see and playoffs for a while and thats a shame. Its also plain to see that Cappy is a bit lost and not getting the team ready to play, and Nabby is going to be traded at the deadline. Yes my friends, I hate to say it, but this Cappy and Nabby show is going no where fast
Nabokov is the only healthy goalie the Islanders have right now
He shouldn’t really be blamed for playing back-to-back games. That shit sits on Cappy’s shoulders. Nilsson should’ve started last night.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Nilsson shouldn't be on the team
Nothing against him, I think he will a fine player, but right now he has no business even dressing for the Isles.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Very true
but when two of your three NHL goaltenders are injured and your most NHL-ready prospect is playing lights out in the AHL, might as well give your other goalie prospect a shot.
I see Nabokov starting tomorrow night and Montoya returning by the end of the week.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
I think Nilsson is here because Garth doesnt want Poulin sitting on the bench most of the time.
And no offense to Nilsson, but I agree with that decision.
Poulin is getting his game back in BPT, and Im loving it.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
me too...if Poulin continues to demonstrate he is back to health and back on track, he will be in NHL soon enough
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
whether Poulin plays or not
Nilsson has no busniess being up here. Not saying it’s anybody’s fault. It’s just the way it is. Cappy can’t can’t play him unless it’s an emergency.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 8, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Understood
but why would he want to stay on the team, wouldnt you say his agent is checking out other teams
He who? Im not sure who you are responding to here.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Fun fact
Had Doan not scored his 3rd goal, he would of had the most 2 goals game ever. Instead we gave him his first hattrick.
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Indeed...
Since Gretzky had like 50 hat tricks alone.
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