New York Islanders Suspend Anton Klementyev
by Dominik on Jan 7, 2012 4:58 PM EST
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The New York Islanders announced today that defenseman Anton Klementyev has been suspended for failure to report for his ECHL assignment to the Idaho Steelheads. Klementyev began the 2011-12 season with the Islanders American Hockey League affiliate, the Bridgeport Sound Tigers.
Well, that's not good.
Yesterday Michael Fornabaio reported that Sound Tigers coach "Brent Thompson said earlier today that Trevor Gillies and Justin DiBenedetto are skating and are making progress. He didn’t anticipate any transactions beyond Reese."
I imagine they wouldn't be tipping off a suspension at any rate, but that makes you wonder how and how quickly this scenario went down, and if there are underlying factors not clear on the surface. Fornabaio is in Portland and working on details. [Update: He reports they did want him to go to ECHL to "play a lot."]
Klementyev, the sleeper 5th-round pick in 2009 who made one emergency NHL debut last year, has been in and out of the Bridgeport lineup, logging 20 games, one assist, a minus-2 and 11 shots on goal. He was also once a strange pawn in the weird Islanders-KHL intrigue over Kirill Petrov.
In September we had him at 25 among Islanders properties under 25, although even tepid vote was clearly from a "your guess is as good as mine who belongs all the way down here" panel. It sounded like Klementyev had made progress last season, but not so much this season.
Klementyev's former junior teammates were among those who died in the tragic Lokomotive plane crash in September, and he is just 21 in a strange land taking a bold risk when he came over. I'm sure a few more details will come out over this scenario, but suffice to say given the difficult real-life year you can imagine a few scenarios where a Russian from Togliatti would resist playing hockey in Idaho.
Update: Player Consent Required for ECHL Loan?
Update: It came up in comments and Twitter, the question of "Wait, can the Isles even assign him to the ECHL?"
The answer is yes they can. And though most players would require player consent to accept the loan, a player on his Entry Level Contract (as CapGeek shows Klementyev still is) can be loaned to the ECHL without his consent:
From 13.11 in the CBA (CBA-ese double-negative alert!):
13.11 No Loans to East Coast Hockey League.
A Player who is not in the Entry Level System may not be Loaned to the East Coast Hockey League without his consent.
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Tom of ILWT brought up an interesting question on twitter
According to CBA, does he have to agree to ECHL placement or is that only for people with one-way contracts or what?
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 7, 2012 5:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Good question
He can be because he’s on an ELC, according to 13.11:
13.11 No Loans to East Coast Hockey League. A Player who is not in the Entry Level System may not be Loaned to the East Coast Hockey League without his consent.
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That's what I was thinking too
But the Islanders have assigned guys on ELCs to the ECHL in the past, the ones I can think of off the top of my head are Andy MacDonald and Trevor Smith (and I think Bobby Hughes and Rob Hennigar too).
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by David Hanssen on Jan 7, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
The chief thing is consent
You can loan to the ECHL. But apparently when you’re on your ELC, you don’t even need consent.
Or to put it in CBA-ese, you do not need consent if you aren’t not on in the ELC system.
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I've given up on that document
It makes Aquinas’ Suma or The Book of Concord seem short and concise.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 7, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Odd Development
considering that before his injury last year he was finally looking like he turned the corner.
I guess they want to keep either Olsen or Olesky around for the long term, but considering they are 24/25 you’d think they don’t have much of a future beyond the AHL.
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I can see Olsen sticking around
If only for an “Enforcer on the Cheap” a la Gillies and Rechlicz.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 7, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
"Numbers Game"?
You’d think that they just wanted him to get more playing time. Hopefully they don’t suspend him with the end game of giving him his unconditional release. At 21, he still had a good three years of depth defender in him, and with second half injuries a common occurence on both the Isles and Tigers it would be nice to have him available.
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Klementyev
has been a different player this year
Klementyev showed promise last year, playing with some poise and fitting in and so seemed a possible prospect
this year he has seemed morose, for understandable reasons – and so the team assigning him to Idaho is either insensitive, or symptomatic of other problems not visisble to us which one has to suspect is the case
That's the either/or I was thinking too
That either it’s a jerk move, or else a procedural move that gives both him and the team cover for him to take some time off to ponder things, or exit his contract completely.
You can’t buy out an ELC, I’m certain of that. I’d have to dig into the other CBA terms for a situation like this but it’s conceivable, if he’s not into hockey right now, that this is “best” for both parties.
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I'd be pretty annoyed
getting demoted to Idaho also…there is another Russian on the Steelheads roster though…a Blue Jacket 3rd rounder (2004), Andrei Plenkhanov.
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Picturing that phone call
“You like. Is very cold here.”
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by Dominik on Jan 7, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
"Oh come on"
“Idaho isn’t THAT out of the way…”
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by David Hanssen on Jan 7, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Also
They have much potato
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Jan 7, 2012 6:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Idaho: American for "Vodka"
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by Dominik on Jan 7, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The ones that come to mind
Are the various Russians who have refused (Or not so subtly pouted at) assignment to the AHL, specifically Vik Tikhonov in 09-10 and Nik Filatov in the same year. Both wound up in the KHL on loans with the KHL teams paying their salary. But you’re also talking about two first rounders and talents a couple of levels above Klementyev.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 7, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Racism
Wasn’t Klementyev involved in some sort of accusation about racist comments this season? I remember someone in the Bridge being involved, and I thought it was Anton.
Maybe this, in addition to not reporting, is a reason to part ways? I’d rather they keep him and try to work it out, but maybe enough was enough.
by billymac23 on Jan 7, 2012 7:06 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Think you might be thinking of Andrej Pedan?
The Russian prospect in the OHL?
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yup
it was Pedan. Please disregard my poorly researched comment.
by billymac23 on Jan 7, 2012 8:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Fornabaio update from Thompson
Here:
…said they wanted him to go down and play a lot, and he declined. …
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Should've
sent him up here then
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 8, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Dom,
in the tone of your your comment last night ( former 1st round pick vs always a 1st round pick), can’t you only have 1 NHL debut?
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Ha, good catch
Must’ve been caught between “one emergency appearance” and “emergency NHL debut” there.
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by Dominik on Jan 9, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Evidently
the idaho steelheads not so proud to be affiliated with us…
http://www.idahosteelheads.com/home.aspx
They're not
Currently the Isles have no official ECHL affiliate, so he goes to whichever team holds his rights. The ECHL player rights are weird too, two years ago Tony Romano was traded away from the Isles ECHL affiliate in Utah to the Toledo Walleye.
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by David Hanssen on Jan 7, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
and yet
he found his way back to across the pound….interesting, never knew that….
I wonder how Klementyev rights were garnered by Idaho…He’s ballin right now for me as a top 4 d-man on my nhl11 franchise
#ifonlylifewaslikevideogames
probably figured why bother, might as well go home and play for money
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 7, 2012 10:16 PM EST reply actions
This is kinda worrisome, IMO.
One of the last things this organization can afford to do right now is lose young defensemen.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
Or Russians
with the Kirills on the way and the Nabby drama, I’d like to keep some guys around here for transition and familiarity purposes.
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Yup, point taken on that.
Perhaps if Nabby isnt here and Klemmer isnt there, the Kirills really will be a duo.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know about that
I mean you never hear that with Swedes or Finns, or especially Danes.
I mean sure, there are petulant Russians, but there are petulant Canadians and Americans. I think that’s more of a case by case thing, than across the board.
I think the thing with the Swedes
is that often, they come over with a pretty good grip of English though. The Russian players seem to have more difficulty there is all. I don’t mean to imply at all that any one ethnicity has any more propensity toward problem behavior at all.
I don’t think I’ve ever really seen a report anywhere where a Finn or Swede was “having difficulty with the language”.
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True
And I didn’t mean it specifically toward your comment, but you hear this kind of stuff all the time. Like the Caps keep Semin around to keep OV happy. I just wonder how much of it has some merit, and how much of it is just a false stereotype.
The language thing does make sense though.
I honestly think of it as a language thing only.
And if Petrov was like Kabanov language-wise then I wouldnt think of it as an issue at all.
But I dont know- Martinek came over here and didnt know WTF anyone was saying on top of being very shy by nature, and he has had a long NHL career. So who knows?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
if he did make it to the NHL someday
it would be as a 6th or 7th Dman. He probably took this to mean he isn’t going to make his NHL dream, so why not go home and make a pro-salary now…can’t blame him, but that is why many Russians slip in the draft.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:35 AM EST reply actions
Youd think maybe someone would point to AMac
He is proof positive that going to the ECHL is NOT prohibitive to being an NHL player.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
But not for nothing
and this isn’t his place to say, but dammit, when we are skating around guys like Mottau, Eaton, Staios and Jurcina and we are benching prospects in the AHL because there’s no room, there’s a problem too.
Not that it’s a rectifiable problem (because everyone up here has to play somewhere or some pressbox), but that really bothers me. It makes me think we alienated a prospect over a really poor defenseman that won’t be here next year anyway. That’s really too bad.
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But its not like they signed guys to keep those positions, you know?
They are short-term stopgaps… if anything, thats kind of a compliment to the kids, saying that the org believes in them and theres a place waiting for them. And if they are good enough, even at a young age, the Isles will let you go with it (see Hamonic)
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I hear you, I get why they were signed
but the net effect was that they are bad..and now they aren’t so much stopgaps as they are roadblocks. We pretty much know for certain that the other AHL kids can’t be much worse than what’s going on at the NHL level, (or at least it would be exciting/understandable).
My hope is that they would’ve recognized this by now, and started making arrangements to get rid of the problems at the top, so the bottom (with more hope) can develop…instead of doing things like sending the more promising kids to places like the ECHL.
I mean, Olsen has been getting scratched at times too. Not that he’s a big prospect, but he plays pretty well for BPT. I’d like to see him get some more time too.
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is Olsen even Isles property or just BP's?
just curious
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 8, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Good question
Looks like just BPT according to capgeek, (he’s not listed as a contract).
But either way, he’s been decent, so get him some time somehow…which is I guess what they did by trying to send Klementyev to Idaho.
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They did want him to go to the ECHL to "play a lot"
If they wanted him to" play a lot" why in HE double hockey sticks did they not let him play for the Knights when he first came over to North America?
It"s not like Dale Hunter has a poor record when it comes to developing NHL talent. Hunter was certainly looking forward to having him in his lineup.
It appears at least on the surface that the Isles set players up to fail.Comeau for one was not in their plans so they didn"t exactly make it easy for him to find a role on the team.
Schremp is another example. Sure they didn’t take advantage of their opportunities but I don"t think their roles where ever clearly defined.
And Bailey if there ever was a player lost in the woods it would be him although that was certainly never their intent to sabotage his career. They either misread the type of player he was or that whole deer in the headlights first season really fucked him up.
And Tambellini how much of that was on him and how much of it was the yo-yo act?
MAB is another. They wanted Aaron Johnson (he skated like a 6 year old,ok in a straight line but he couldn’t pivot and if he tried he fell on his ass) to succeed and fulfill Bergeron’s role on the team and the breaking point was not putting Bergeron out on a 5 on 3 powerplay. I mean who does that whether you like the rest of his game or not.
They talk about their identity. What is their identity? They don’t know from one game to the next what the fuck their supposed to be doing.
They want players" with character". They want players to help little old ladies across the street but I would rather have players with a little fire in their belly(and I don’t mean fucktards like Avery and his ilk) like I don’t know maybe a Micheal Haley.
by Isle Of Weight on Jan 8, 2012 4:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
They want players to help little old ladies across the street but I would rather have players with a little fire in their belly
JT is exactly the kind of guy they want… and he fills both criteria. Thats what they are looking for all the time. And who can blame them? Of course they arent going to get 1st overall skill with later picks but they really do seem to want that kind of character combo.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 8, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
JT is elite.
we will be waiting forever to build a team of JT’s
They want players to help little old ladies across the street but I would rather have players with a little fire in their belly(and I don’t mean fucktards like Avery and his ilk) like I don’t know maybe a Micheal Haley.
When in fuck did Micheal Haley become a goddamn demigod to Islander fans?
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by Fabtraption on Jan 9, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Do u see Haley playing here?
Wang is a pacifist, IMHO
Couple things
There is a reasonable chance that he’s really just not that good, and they are moving on.
There’s also a possibility that his attitude/play might actually be a detriment to trying to turn things around at BP. While we certainly are thin on defensive prospects, we can’t be compromising the rest of the team for one guy.
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