Ducks 4, Islanders 2: Marty Reasoner Breaks Hand; Mistakes Pile Up
by Dominik on Jan 7, 2012 12:52 AM EST
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PrintIf you stayed up late to watch this one but gave up after a boring 40 minutes -- or if you missed it thanks to cable companies behaving badly -- you missed a few things in the final third. But mostly you missed the wrong kind of interesting.
It was 1-1 on some broken goals at the second intermission, but in the third the Ducks and Islanders traded hair-raising moments with the game on the line, each goal following what one might call a spiritual if not literal momentum shift.
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Just over six minutes into the third, the Islanders narrowly withstood a strong, dangerous shift from the Ducks' first line (foreshadowing!) and followed it up by putting the John Tavares line out. JT delivered: Matt Moulson started it with a hard shot on goal, the puck went to the right wing side on Tavares' backhand. Two Ducks collapsed on Tavares, leaving Kyle Okposo open in the slot to bang Tavares' pass home into a largely empty net.
After another tough shift in their zone, the Islanders draw a powerplay. Chance to put the game in the bag, right? Ride this lead against a depressed opponent and build the first four-game win streak of the year? Well close, but then not quite.
P.A. Parenteau had two golden chances denied on that powerplay -- once outright robbed by Jonas Hiller -- and then Bobby Ryan followed it up by turning Andrew MacDonald inside out to tie the game at 2-2 on a shortie (not quite as amazing as Ryan's playoff goal against Nashville, but then he didn't see the need to beat A-Mac three times on the same play).
That's okay though: Tavares followed that deflating moment by splitting the Ducks defense and drawing another penalty. Islanders powerplay again. Chance for Parenteau to convert and redeem?
Again, no: This time, Parenteau committed an avoidable tripping penalty on Corey Perry (who wisely baited him by shielding the puck with his body right as Parenteau reached in). That paved the way for a classic "same ice, different page" scenario from Milan Jurcina and Mark Eaton during the 4-on-4: Eaton followed Perry behind the net into harmless territory long after Perry dropped the puck to Ryan Getzlaf. Jurcina was late to realize that Eaton had just vacated a huge chunk of prime real estate, and Getzlaf merely waltzed in unaccompanied and lifted a fantastic backhand over Evgeni Nabokov.
Teemu Selanne finished it off with a rebound Nabokov probably should have stopped, but the Ducks made like it's 2010 and had their first line beat the Isles, with the Isles blueline providing an inviting assist.
The Islanders' quality players did some things that would've helped them win this game, and you could argue they played well enough to win on the whole. But their familiar weak points -- and an off-night for normally reliable P.A. Parenteau -- had them fall prey to the 14th place team from the other conference.
But you knew that was entirely possible. And I've exhausted my exhaustion over the blueline. Who knows, Dylan Reese is up in non-emergency fashion now, so maybe he gets a look tomorrow.
Game Highlights
The Isles pick it up again tomorrow in Phoenix, the back end of a back-to-back against a better team than they faced tonight.
The Other Goal: Matt Martin got the first Islanders goal, a nice don't-give-up effort with a funny ending (Hiller didn't realize it was lying on the goal line until too late). Josh Bailey doesn't get an assist on the play but his presence was also important in keeping the Ducks from fishing the loose puck out before Martin (or Hiller's glove) got just enough.
Reasoner Breaks Thumb Hand
Marty Reasoner left the game after blocking a shot on his first shift of the second period (after 4:36 TOI), so there is a chance injury will add to fatigue in the challenges that Glendale will pose. Jack Capuano said afterward it is a broken thumb. [UPDATE: Now it's hand. Perhaps that's even worse. Perhaps I didn't stay at a popular hotel chain express.]
After Reasoner left, Nino Niederreiter saw just four more shifts (mostly with Josh Bailey) and Tim Wallace just three. That was a minor factor -- and the consequence may be more of a factor Saturday night -- but the mistakes that cost the game were described above and can't be blamed on a bench short of its full fourth line.
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New York Islaners
’Cause they got no “D.”
(apologies if this joke has been used before. It’s late and I’m bummed out.)
Hamonic + half a Streit + half a MacDonald + fingers crossed = big problems.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Could it really hurt to try out Donovan or Ness?
Or give De Haan some more time? Eaton is a waste, Jurcina is not 100% there. Staios is serviceable at times, but really, is he better than the young ones?
Wang Cheap Rabble: The only thing it could hurt is Wang's wallet or Garth's credibility at signing players!
:-)
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Only thing I'd say is they're not exactly lighting it up in the AHL
It sounds like De Haan is in the lead at this point. And maybe Reese gets a trial first.
I’m all for playing the best of what you have, but if those guys are learning on the job even at the AHL level, I’d just as soon see them take their lumps there. Doubt any of them are going to pull a Hamonic for us.
(And that’s not rationalization for the team: I generally mistrust how they’ve handled pro D eval over the last several seasons.)
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Streit somewhat disappointing on D this season
I have to figure it is just what happens after 1 season away, but all those goals were just because of great plays or our D not doing the job
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Jan 7, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is probably better than the thumb right?
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Correction: #Isles Injury Update: Marty Reasoner has a broken right hand.
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Not even sure
It would be morning before he even got a flight for 4.5 hrs and the game is at 8. They may try to do without it. Did Ullstrom travel with the team? He went on IR retro to 12/20, so it’s possible he could come off if he’s close to ready…although, I don’t think he is.
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Oh boy. Looks like it may be a Wallace-Pandolfo-Nino 4th line.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
All good points.
Ullstrom didnt travel with the team.
I think Pandolfo will play.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
Define "Better"
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think either one sounds like a month at least, right?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Id think so
And both sound gross/awful.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
The thumb being the thing that sets humans apart from other mammals
and able to use tools like sticks. Not great, but the thumb is the stronger part of the hand…the recovery is probably shorter for a hand break as opposed to thumb.
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When you put it that way I guess yeah a little… but its awful either way.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
I like how you completely ignore that humans created the backhand
Whereas dolphins can’t even pull off a simple wrist shot.
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by Dominik on Jan 7, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What hand his Haley hurt?
Maybe they can take Reasoner’s one good hand and graft it onto Haley to create some kind of FrankenIslander, who would bring TEH GRITTTT.
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by PGI on Jan 7, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If that were possible I think Rick would have already confiscated Nathan Lawsons knees.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
haha
I remember saying that Lawson had the raw ability to play, it was just obvious he was never taken seriously as he made his way up.
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That was semi-entertaining until the isles decided to watch the ducks play hockey. This team talks about improving but they make the same mistakes again and again. Jurcina flat out sucks. No defenseman is successful wildly waving his stick towards the oncoming player. Garth has a big task this off season in luring decent players to the team. Losses always deflate my excitement for this team.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 7, 2012 1:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly regarding the team
I'm a mets, jets, islander, and terps fan. Also known as a glutton for perennial punishment.
by longbeach on Jan 7, 2012 4:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Back to the drawing board.
Anyone hear what Nielsen left the ice for during the game? He missed a few minutes and I don’t recall if they mentioned why.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
He took a crosscheck
That might’ve been it. Excedrin break.
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I didn't know that
I thought it was an equipment bugaboo, but if he took a xcheck, maybe they gave him a quick concussion eval?
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Got home from work and turned on the game......
Isles were leading 2-1 and on that power play. Just in time to see Ryan undress AMac and steal his jock. I know, they were saving something for tomorrow night in Glendale cause they knew I was going and didn’t want me to waste 300 dollars on tickets, gas, food and hotel for nothing!
"This season is a serious misallocation of valuable hockey resources"- Saving Private Tavares
For $300
I think you can buy the Coyotes.
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by PGI on Jan 7, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Well, I already have Park Place
So now I can build a couple of Mariotts and make a FORTUNE!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Goodness
I hope you see a decent game.
I fear Tippett/Doan preying on the Isles’ soft spots.
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I was on the road and getting updates from the fan and am 880
The Isles are the only team I know that gives up goals 2 at a time. When I heard that they had taken a third period lead I assumed that they were on their way to another win and then lo and behold during the next update it was 3-2 Ducks.
The moral of the story never assume.
by Isle Of Weight on Jan 7, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
And in the goalie stole one dept....
Well, we saw one last night!!!
Too bad it was Lundquist against the Pens. Pens had been rested for 4 days, Rangers playing their second game in 2 nights, in Pitt, Pens outshoot Rags by almost 2 to 1 margin, have twice as many power plays, and the Rags still win what was in essence a one goal game.
That is stealing a game.
I would like to see one this year.
agreed
without HL, the rags are another 500. bubble team.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
In fact, if you think about it, there have been relatively few games recently by the Isles where they have been outplayed by as wide a margin as the Pens did to the Rangers (or even the Sens did to the Rangers in Nov.), yet we struggle. In general recently, we have been decently competitive each game. Lundquist makes the Rags a difficult out this year.
He is on his way to get the 5 or so “steals” he gets each year.
I just want one.
I think it is very similar to the Sabres reliance on Ryan Miller
he hasn’t played the same the last season and a half, and the team dropped to “bubble” as a result.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 7, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
In fact..
If the Isles had won last night 2-1, I would not have said Nabs stole it. I think overall (outside of a couple of breakdowns), the Isles were the better team last night.
Go figure.
2 goal loss
and no EN goal against? Improvement?
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ugh
things to consider
- play Reese tomorrow PLEASE – he gave the team mobility that this group of 6 simply doesn’t have – and he made the offense better, which without him is one of the worst goal generators in the NHL – this should have been a no brainer, but confusion on his “emergency” status delayed that – not helpful
- put Jurcina back with Streit – that’s a much better spot for Milan where he was doing okay – he’s much more exposed with the much too Mottau-like Eaton, who should be scratched (Staios-Reese is what I think could be a decent enough 5/6) – Jurcina played a very good game against the Rangers on 12/26 – but that was with Streit – why did they expose him with Eaton? our 5/6 pairings have been killing this team
- Bridgeport is in Portland, Maine right now for a game tonight – I seriously doubt anyone could make it time – that means the return of Jay Pandolfo is a guarantee
- I’ll say it again – what is wrong with Michael Grabner? I’d move him to the 4th line, if he’s going to continue to remiind me of Blake Comeau – he no longer stands out with his speed – this is a problem
- Last night’s game is the kind any team will lose at times – but we dug ourselves too big a hole in November again for this to be okay – we need to go on a win streak at some point, and not capitalizing on the vulnerable Ducks is painful – we’ve lost too many games like this against weak opposition – the playoffs just got one step further away
- That said, how many posts did we hit? Rolston hit 2 himself – but we are the kind of team that will play many close games – and you simply don’t win them all – you can only dodge bullets for so long especially with an immobile defense – they can’t call up more kids on D soon enough & ditch Eaton please – and perhaps IR some of the guys playing hurt if they simply don’t have the footspeed
great minds think alike
further, here’s the 4 lines I’d roll out tonight
Moulson-Tavares-Okposo
(I like this combo – KO gives them a bit more toughness on D and opens things up for the other 2 – why did it take Cappy so long to reunite them?)
Martin-Bailey-Niederreiter
(Martin & Bailey are defensive enough to hide Nino’s weakness here and he can learn from them – Martin & Bailey are deserving of 2nd line time – fit Ullstrom in here eventually when he’s back)
Grabner-Nielsen-Parenteau
(reuinte FNG – add the dynamism of PAP – good goal scoring potential, and enough D for a 3rd line for sure)
Rolston-Pandolfo-Wallace
(old man Devils reunited, and perhaps a bit of surprise upside on offense on occasion)
this is a more solid defensive grouping, with players who jell well together
I haven’t been happy with Cappy’s lack of creativity on line combos – we’re too close to average to get these things slightly wrong – the smallest details count in a league like this year’s NHL
seriously...
more like parmesan cheese… “grate mine…things I like”
I like this combo – KO gives them a bit more toughness on D and opens things up for the other 2 – why did it take Cappy so long to reunite them?
Okposo was playing like shit, and Parentau didn’t play his way off the line. There was no reason to break that line up, except to make it a long term thing once Okie earned it.
Martin-Bailey-Niederreiter… not yet. Bailey isn’t at a level where he can babysit Nino yet. Nino has to prove he can play 10 responisble minutes before he gets to play 15 with the eventual second line. He’d be better served with Nielsen who can create turnovers, and is always prepared to backcheck… plus I think frans is a better leader on the ice… something that Nino needs. But this can wait until Ullstrom is back…. until then Nino remains on the fourth line and the more responsible Wallace can add a little grit to the Nielsen-Grabner combo.
I like hiding the old devils on the fourth line… maybe they can talk about how great it was to play for Lou… and provide Nino with proper motivation to never want to be on the fourth line again.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 7, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait
Are you proposing Rolston-Pandolfo-Nino?
To which I propose, worst line in NHL history?
Ugh, the options really aren’t pretty right now.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Nino get some shifts with Frans and PAP to see what he can do, but yeah, he’s not ready for those kind of minutes yet.
Yep...
THE GARBAGE PAIL LINE…
You have the two guys that are just plate scrapings from the dinner table, and Nino is THE ECLAIR.
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@JPinVA
Ha!
Just have to hope being out there with the ex-Devils doesn’t encourage Nino to also cross the line from man to bum!
dunno
Nino & the Devils isn’t right at all – Nino needs linemates that can protect & teach him – not teach him how to suck
pair him with Martin-Bailey or Grabner-Nielsen, with PAP the other RW in question – no reason not to give him that exposure a bit now and see how it works, at least until Ullstrom returns
leave Rolston-Pandolfo-Wallace as a 4th line
Pandolfo & Wallace can play D, so would cover for Rolston’s all too typical going through the motions
and frees up Rolston to PK as he did last night
Me too...
I missed the Reese thing. Last I heard he was an emergency call-up. Is that not the case? And if not, he must be here for good right? He should not be put on waivers.
by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 7, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Im concerned about Grabs...
where did all that speed go?
It's probably
right in between the 3am feedings and the dirty diapers.
by afrosupreme on Jan 7, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention getting dragged into making seating charts and picking color schemes for the flower arrangements
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
???
I dont get it.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Ducks had a couple posts too, though.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 7, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Rolston/Grabner
Rolston, again looked like he was playing a pretty good game. Then he shows up on the PP and SHORTIE. There’s no way I could blame this game on Rolston, but he makes it easier every day to blame a wasted season on him. His play deteriorated in the third… maybe his improved effort in the first two periods leads to his old man legs showing why the team doesn’t need 38 year olds getting more than 8 minutes per game. He should center Pandolfo and Nino tonight, and for god’s sake…KEEP HIM OFF THE PP.
Grabner looked like he had the flew early in the Carolina game. He has a few bursts, but I’d bet if they were deeper he’d have been scratched. It’s got to be that or his groin. Some hot chicken soup, keep hydrated in the desert, and a defensive role with Nielsen and Wallace should turn the tide for him.
Lines should look like this tonight:
Moulson-tavares-Okposo… This should be written in STONE.
Martin-Bailey-Parentau…. Rolston needs to be kept away from Bailey.
Grabner-Nielsen-Wallace… Lower expectations, raise relative return
Pandolfo-Rolston-Nino… Two old devils and a potential tazmanian devil.
Wallace and Nino can swap at any time…
Macdonald-Hamonic
Streit-Jurcina
Eaton-Reese (Staios shouldn’t be playing back to backs)
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How tiring is it...
when the collective brains here at LHH continue to be baffled at who gets PP time, who gets PK time, who’s on the ice for 4 on 4, etc., etc., etc…
Oh and perhaps Eaton and Jurcina should only be paired together at home games where we get the last change…or only 1st and 3rd periods at road games to avoid the LONG change.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
I'm just tired...
of seeing him on the PP point. He has no vision, rarely continues possession through puck distribution and his shot is about as accurate as a paper airplane in a huricane.
The PP improved when they were using frans and jurcina on the point. If they had more defenseman that could play 20+ minutes they could give Hamonic more time. There is just no gain from having Rolston on the PP point.
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This team gives me such a see-saw feeling this year
One game they bring it, Amac plays well, Jurcina takes the body…and then there was last night. I keep forgetting that Amac hasn’t fully recovered, and that Jurcina isn’t as good as he sometimes shows. After games like this, I start to get that feeling again that this year has been accepted as:
- couldn’t get the D we needed, and Wishart & the kids unfortunately aren’t ready, so…next year then.
- couldn’t get the good veteran F we needed, but these mules will take us to the cap floor AND take the heat off the kids… so, since we already don’t have the D to make the playoffs, might as well tank play the mules.
Been reading about Matt Dumba…fits the mold this team needs.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
Bridgeport's D is ready
Ness, de Haan > Eaton, Mottau
we’ve been playing to a budget – but hopefully that changes now
i said all this last week in another post..
Sadly, I think there may be something to it. It is a very plausible explanation for how this season has been handled. I threw in the added caveat that Wang being a businessman and Snowy having a Masters degree in that area both looked at the teams position and determined that the best path was to follow history. And history suggests that teams like the Isles, financially challenged, have success when they accumulate multiple top picks. Hate to say it, but this whole season may be a tank job. Pandolfo? Staios? Rolston?? Reasoner?? They certainly were not going for gold. Letting Hillen walk, even Martinek. Curios.
I agree about Dumba too, but I confess I have not seen him play.
by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 7, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, IF they had more defensemen...
I think it was the right call this time. I’d have put Rolston out there, too, in that situation. (Ok, I do rate him a little higher than most anyway, but that’s not the point here). There was simply no one else available there, at least no defender.
By the start of that PP (at 7:35 into the third), Hamonic had already played 3:58 in the period. MacDonald’d played 3:24. Streit and Jurcina were starting the PP and stayed out there as long as possible (1:31/1:13). I certainly wouldn’t go back to both Hamonic and MacDonald for the 2nd part of that PP in that situation? They’re so important to their EV success – I’d honestly not even have used both of them if they’d been rested. They just can’t afford that. Also, it looked like Staios might have been injured – he played one full shift in the 3rd period and then just nine additional seconds later in the period. Might have been performance-related, I don’t know, but would guess no. Anyway, down to 5 D there for whatever reason they needed to rest at least a couple of D during that PP. Of course, you could make the case they could still have benched Rolston and should have used Okposo on the point and e.g. Martin up front, but I doubt that would upgrade their 2nd PP unit.
Anyway, if Staios can’t go today, we might indeed see Reese back in.
Now we REALLY get to see how much this team suffers without Reasoner
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
actually, i would argue the team was already suffering from Reasoner's failure to produce at his own level/standards
on the other hand, Konopka’s 2 goals in 82 games has been a none factor in the season so far. Even a goalie can get lucky once a year: see cam ward.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 7, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
What will all Marty's fans do now
Everytime he takes the Ice at the Coli, it’s sound like Bate’s penalty shot in there, they love him so.
The most unnoticeable on ice player I’ve ever seen for the Isles.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 7, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Should’ve turned sarcasm font on. have you never read my poss, lol.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 7, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
*posts
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 7, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I wasnt sure...
There are quite a few here that really like Reasoner for no reason(er)…
I might like him
if he ever did anything.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 7, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
All right, I was wrong on the Rolston flub
he had Perry covered…it was a weak backcheck by Okposo that helped seal it…they still had the Ducks outnumbered 3-2 there and someone should have cut Ryan off.
Also, there’s a new “top shelf” call in there
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Dude, that goal was all A-Mac
He needs to take the body. KO was hustling back, but it doesn’t matter if he outnumbers him or not. A-Mac can’t be watching that play, he needs to make one.
Kind of
Of course a guy should never get beaten one on one, but it happens. The point here is that the islanders had numbers and allowed that play to be dictated by the Ducks.
There is never any harm in doubling up coverage when you have the extra man and there is a 2 on 3 rush. He could have been hit, cut off, angled, locked up, whatever.
When you give up a goal like that, it’s a line fail. You can fault Amac for the whiff, but it really shouldn’t have even come to that.
Another thing not taken into account is that Rolston could have cut him off while KO went to Perry. Rolston didn’t do that because he saw that KO wasn’t coming to Ryan.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 7, 2012 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wish we had audio there
Normally you’d call out who has puck, and then you hope for the other forwards to be able to pick who watches pass and who helps on the puck carrier. I’d like to hear the Isles’ communication on that play.
Watching it again, I think we have to give a lot more credit to Ryan there. The Isles have their lanes (Rolston on Perry, AMac on Ryan) and KO coming back to the center to keep Ryan from splitting the defense. Ryan’s inside-out move traps KO where he can’t help AMac, who gets turned around. Rolston could break off and fill the middle but KO won’t be able to reach Perry either. Ryan basically used AMac to pick KO and turn the 2-on-3 into a 2-on-1. One strong move later the game is tied.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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2 things...
1) there will be no playoffs for the islanders. either play exciting 2nd half hockey with no pressure or get rid of the old devils and give some experience to some of the guys in Bridgeport. either way, the isles can get low enough for the lottery or give the fans something good to look forward to like last season.
2) this is off topic, but i feel i must bring it up: NHL Realignment being shot down from the PA. this could either be a good thing or a horrible mile backwards for the league and the game of hockey. the League knows they can’t afford another lockout. i’m disappointed that the PA decided to throw a wrench into the gears, but you can’t blame them for taking advantage of the situation. with all the collective bargaining aside, the league needs to abandon the idea of divisions and more than 2 conferences. just have an east/west conference format and keep the playoffs the way they are (1-8 seeds). keep it simple. no need for further complications. schedule games the best you can, sit back, and enjoy the show.
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the league needs to abandon the idea of divisions and more than 2 conferences. just have an east/west conference format and keep the playoffs the way they are (1-8 seeds). keep it simple. no need for further complications. schedule games the best you can, sit back, and enjoy the show.
The way they are now sucks, is more complicated, and is harder on the players.
It never should have been made like this in the first place, it is unnatural.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Bobby Ryan
OMG! Is there any we can pry this guy away. A man among boys. What would it take to get him? Probably a gun and a ransom note. Kessel cost 2 first rounders. Wouldn’t do that. Maybe 2012 first rounder and CDH? Don’t know, but if I were Garth, I might ask some questions. Bob Murray might just be open to listening.
The last thing the Isles need to be doing is giving away defensemen.
No matter who it is for, they cannot do that to themselves.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
You know
It’d make AP happy. A first rounder and CDH I’d give up for Bobby Ryan he’s got some set of skills. But I’d only trade for him if we could keep up and not have to trade everything to the Ducks
Constantly building for the future.
ducks would never do that
difference with Kessel was he was a FA, although restricted.
Generally, when a team trades an established star, depending on whether they are in a rebuild or just have to move the player for whatever reason, they want a package deal that includes a combination of prospects and picks, and, at least one established NHLer coming back, thus, if prospects and picks don’t panout, they still have something.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 7, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
To Me
The Price would be too steep.
Bonbby Ryan is very nice but the Isles would have to give up Heaven and Hell to get him and what the Ducks consider Heaven and Hell would start with something like (Strome, deHaan, 2 1st rounders and ready made NHL player like Grabner or Moulson or Hamonic).
There is no player that I would give up all of those assets for.
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I'd fucking love if we got him
But I can’t see it without giving up to much.
Constantly building for the future.
Its like DejaVu all over again...
The defense has been exploited like this way too many times..
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sure it was.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 7, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
after the game...
i looked at the FA class of 2012 for forwards, D, and goaltending…again, like this past free agent class, it’s not promising for the isles. exclude parise and semin, since they’re not going to long island. the D class is really nothing too exciting to write home about, but there are a few out there that could help shore up the blue line consistency if there’s a way to get them short-term (1 to 2 years, maybe 3 or 4 depending on how good they are). on top of that, the isles are still going to need to sign a couple of goalies who can be consistent. so first things first: re-sign parenteau, reese, martin, nielsen, and wallace. most of us at least agree on that…forwards are only going to mature and learn together. there’s nothing more that old veterans can do to teach the young ones. most of the core players have more than enough experience to help out the incoming crops.
which brings me to Defense and Goaltending…we all know the D needs consistency. garth must get dirty and sign 3 to 4 Dmen. Personally, I like Ryan Suter. make him an offer he can’t refuse, but that’s just me. realizing we’re all subject to disagreement and ridicule, but then again, this is a message board where we as hockey fans can openly share our thoughts/logic/opinions/whatever in a classy, mature understanding of one another…anyways…
sign a few solid, gritty stay-at-home dmen. anyone better than Eaton, Mottau, and Staios. i know that doesn’t say much and sounds easier said than done, but do it. the D really needs to be relied upon next season. i’m normally not in favor of throwing money at a problem, but in this case, consistent Dmen are hard to come by in this league. what else are you going to do? the isles are not in a position to trade for a stud defenseman without giving up a king’s ransom. aside from questions on whether or not wang would (or could) ok this, it’s good money worth spending.
oh, almost forgot about the net…i’m now a little skeptical about re-signing Montoya with his concussion. I’d be fine giving him a 1 year deal, but he would have to show that he can overcome it. it’s clear DP is unreliable and Nabby’s gone. i’m assuming Poulin will be given another opportunity to show he’s a big leaguer, but they’ll have to sign a goalie with experience that can play a majority of games. the list of FA goalies looks worse than the list of forwards and D. i’ll leave it there.
on a personal note, i really love reading and being included on these threads. it’s so much fun reading everyone’s thoughts and opinions, and sharing their experiences as hockey fans. i especially enjoy JPinVA, mikb, afrosupreme, the list goes on…so yeah, thanks everyone for doing this.
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by gukid17 on Jan 7, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I think this is the season to cashout on Neilson at the trade deadline
if a valuable D can be had in the same age range as the rebuild kids. Centre is the one position Isles system has depth. The D obviously requires rebuilding. One hopes come next season, Streit and AMAC are fully recovered. But Jurcina will never be able to play much over 40 games a year, thus never meeting his potential, Staois is old and at the end of his career, Eaton is a poor man’s 7th D, Mottau is no longer an NHLer. Hamonic still has learning to do, but he is already the Isles unquestionable most valueable D man. Hopefully, one of Dehaan, Ness or Donovan can be, dare I say, “rushed” to NHL next year after one year in AHL, Wishart can be an adequate 7th Dman, and 2 other legit - repeat that, legit — D man can be had via trade or UFA.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 7, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Please stop with the Suter nonsense. He is not coming here for any amount of money. The guy the isles should look at if he is not resigned is Boychuck. Isles will have to overpay, but he would be good on the 2nd pair w/streit. Big Physical dman with a bomb of a shot. Plus cup exp.
by Bonecrusher12 on Jan 7, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I was just about to say Boychuk...
…after seeing that he is a UFA this summer. Big, hard hitter and does have a big shot. (Led AHL in points by a defenseman by a good margin 2 or 3 seasons ago.) He would make the Isles PP better directly and indirectly. (Allowing Hamonic to play more if they don’t depend on him so much EV.)
Perhaps not as good, but probably a better fit than Ehrhoff would have been.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 7, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
He won't come here either
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 7, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Throw enough money and he may
He’s not exactly rich by NHL standards.
As much as I like Frans and PAP, I’d rather see Isles trade one or both for picks/players and use that money towards a defenseman like Boychuk (27 years old). Outbid everyone by $2 or $3 million a year if they have to. (Who cares if he makes more than Tavares? UFA is a different animal.)
Without another good, physical defenseman (Hamonic is the only one right now), Isles will not be a contender. The only potentials in the system are likely 3-4 seasons away.
Another possibility is to trade Nielsen or PAP for a young defenseman who may be ready to step into the NHL next season or the season after. But I’m not sure either would bring back one.
Or they can wait and for the young defensemen to develop. By that time Nielsen and PAP (and Moulson) are early 30s, which isn’t old. Streit is likely gone. MacDonald would be 27-28. So that plan can work too. Just would likely miss the playoffs the next couple seasons.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 7, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
wait a minute
Why is it automatically “Oh stop with Free Agent X he’s never coming here”??
Look – obviously a lot of guys have chosen not to be here. Others certainly have, and they’re not exactly chopped liver. So why not chase a guy like Suter or Parise or Semin? What’s wrong with that? To paraphrase the Great One, you don’t sign 100% of the free agents you don’t pursue.
So maybe Garth can sell Suter on playing with Hamonic for five years, anchoring a power-play, and getting tons of assists sending pucks to Tavares and Moulson and Okposo. Maybe they convince a forward to help them into the playoffs. Nobody knows until they start to negotiate.
You can say it’s unlikely – I would agree with you – but to just dismiss it out of hand is kind of defeatist.
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by mikb on Jan 7, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Line Brawl in Bruins Canucks game
Brunch Brawling.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 7, 2012 1:16 PM EST reply actions
And our buddy Don Van Massenhoven is the ref
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 7, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
This game is pretty awesome
Too bad it’s not the Islanders and Penguins playing, I’d love to hear about how we’re thugs for the next half of the season
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
EJ Hradek and Bill Pido acted like that period never happened
during intermission. Talked about everything around the league but what we just watched.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 7, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, check it out!
We lead the league in Teh Narrative! Nobody else can even get a word edgewise!
NUMBER ONE! NUMBER ONE!
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I want to hate the Ducks' jerseys.
I really do. But I kinda dig it.
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Their logo looks like a pissed of booger.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 7, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Marchand took out Salo's knee
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 7, 2012 3:02 PM EST reply actions
And the Canucks stand around and do nothing
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 7, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Isles suspended Klementyev
For failure to report to an ECHL assignment.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 7, 2012 4:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wait
We can assign guys to the ECHL? I thought that was out when we lost the affiliation.
Also, this sort of blows a hole in the “keeping Reese in BP for depth” theory, no?
Start at Goal..............
and build out. A great goalie or even a real legitimate #1 G is the most important asset for a team, We started the season with 5 question marks and now we still have question marks. Goalies actually come cheaper than other stars. If necessary trade one of our good forwards + a prospect and or pik. Next season the only way we “steal” a play-off spot is with a real first pair D and an established #1 G. Just look at our GAs.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
