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How Rick DiPietro Retirement Rumors Roll

Twitter rumors circulated yesterday and today, the way Twitter rumors do, that Rick DiPietro's agent was in contact with one party or another about the goaltender retiring. Lots of authoritative talk about insurance. Followed by critical holes quickly being poked in the rumor, like Kevin Schultz noting simply about the "agent": "DiPietro doesn't have one. Represented by father and himself."

Nonetheless, it's easy to see why anyone would run with these rumors: The Islanders' accumulation of goalies -- they've carried three pros all season! -- and DiPietro's own rehab trajectory have long hinted at this being the make-or-break season. Further, the pending expiration of the NHL CBA has long had people dreaming of special buyouts like in 2005. Last week the Post's year in review curiously noted his nameplate's absence from the locker room "as of Dec. 27."

And DiPietro news always draws attention: A Wednesday Puck Daddy headline (which didn't touch the retirement rumor) included "DiPietro Injured While Injured," which linked to Deadspin's own punchline, which linked to the original Newsday report that DiPietro (still on IR) and Mike Mottau returned early from Carolina.

That's a microcosm of everything regarding DP these last few years, as he's appeared in just 66 games since that fateful January 2008 All-Star weekend when an injury while mic'd was a funny soundbite instead of the first chapter of a Greek tragedy.

Star-divide

If you're new to SB Nation sites or just hang out around here, you might be missing out on some of the tools and stats available on the player pages. One of the best is that every players profile has an extensive transaction history. DiPietro's transaction history, which includes injuries, is nearly 5 pages long (using the page down button).

The amount of injuries DP has suffered is rather staggering. It isn't hard to see why people think it might be time for him to hang it up.

Here's a rundown of injuries since 2005:

2005

Mild Concussion, Bruised Knee, Sprained Left Knee

2006

Groin, Lower Body Injury

2007

Neck Injury, Headache (which caused him to miss Game 1 of the playoffs) Knee injury

2008

Personal Reasons and days later Hip Surgery to end the season, Knee injury, Lower Body injury, Knee Surgery, Groin

2009

Swollen Right Knee ends season. Knee Surgery to start season.

2010

Left Knee injury ends season. Swollen left knee

2011

Strained Groin, Groin, Flu, Facial injury, concussion, groin

Totals

Groin-related: 5
Knee-related: 9
Concussion: 3
Hip/"Lower Body": 3

To make matters worse, he has been one of the worst goalies in the league the last two seasons. His .886 SV% was only .001 better then Ty Conklin, who finished the season last in SV% among goalies with 10 or more games. This year in his "healthy" year he's at an even worse .876 SV%, and of goalies with eight or more appearances only Alex Auld (.875) is worse right now.

Quite simply, goalies do not have seasons this bad back to back and stay in the NHL.

From countless interviews over the years we know that DP is a competitor with a passion for his team. We know he feels bad that he signed this huge contract and has almost spent more time hurt than playing since the ink dried. He wants to come back and be as good as he was previously. At some point does someone close to him point out that it's not going to happen? Does someone convince him that he's got to start thinking about his life after the game?

Or is it foolish to think that thought hasn't already crossed his mind a hundred times, and this season was to be his last stand?

After intense work this summer -- his first in several years without surgery/rehab -- he was finally "healthy" and ready to give it a go with a theoretical clean bill of health. But the injuries have returned while the performance hasn't.

In the end it should be Rick's choice if he chooses to retire or not, though not his choice to keep trying at the NHL level if he can't offer NHL performance. If somewhere, somehow he still thinks he can not only get healthy again but play on a top level, then go for it. Even those who hate him have to at least respect the ordeal of trying to come back and help the team he committed to for life before such committments were cool. It might have been easy to call it a career one or two seasons ago. Rehab is never fun and DP has probably spent more hours rehabbing than most of us have spent working out. It would have been easier to call it quits than to suffer through rehab again.

Emery Beats the Odds ... for Now

DiPietro might even be inspired by peer Ray Emery, whose injury outlook was once even more dire, his comeback all but miraculous. For Emery's tenure in Philadelphia ended because of a rare condition that has been the end of pro athletes who've suffered it:

The most noted athlete to have suffered from this was two sport superstar Bo Jackson, who had to end his playing career because of it. His surgery was a difficult procedure that involved removing 13 centimeters from his right fibula and then grafting it to the femur to re-introduce a proper blood supply to the area.

With the belief that doctors had caught the disease early enough, no one was extremely confident that Emery could be a functional NHL goaltender. No athlete had ever recovered from avascular necrosis without the aid of an artificial joint. A grueling workout and rehabilitation process began that included standard exercise, acupuncture procedures, and even ballet.

Jackson finally called it quits on his two-sport career when he was 31. DiPietro is 30. Just about everyone assumed Emery (29 now) was done at 28.

And Emery's probably not out of the woods: He had 13 centimeters removed from his right fibula and has done well enough for backup duty in his 24 games since returning late last season. But a job is no sure thing for him, and it remains to be seen how long his return lasts.

For all the flak that DP gets, try to imagine yourself in the same position: Who is going to rush out of a 15-year contract worth nearly $70 million dollars, especially when you think recovery is around the corner? At the same time the Islanders organization under Garth Snow tends to be very quiet about player health matters, so speculation rises and people are apt to believe the rumors they want to believe. You get rumors like the one last year that DiPietro was part of the reason Zenon Konopka wasn't brought back into the fold. I'm almost surprised that there's no Rick DiPietro entry over at snopes.com.

In the end I think we can all respect the attempt by DP to come back and be a useful piece of the organization. He's never said a bad word about the team, or about the fans who jeer him on a regular basis (even some boos on Opening Night). He's been about as professional as one could be given his situation. With a 15 year guaranteed contract, there's not much stopping him from shooting off his mouth or being a negative presence in the locker room if he wanted to.

Whether he chooses to retire tomorrow or try to play out the rest of his contract, I'll still have the same amount of respect for him. He's an Islander through and through and in the end he just wants to leave a positive impact on the team.

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What's odd

Is that they don’t have Montoya’s injury while he was with San Antonio of the AHL that caused him to miss almost a whole season.

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by Mark D on Jan 5, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Think that's a victim of the data provider

I’m guessing they don’t even have AHL injury notes in there.

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by Dominik on Jan 5, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

No

They have the same data provider as TSN and The Hockey News’ websites, which don’t record AHL stuff outside of the basic stat line.

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by David Hanssen on Jan 6, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Any idea what the injury was?

I found an article on the rampage’s site interviewing montoya coming back from the injury, but not 1 word about what the injury was.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Jan 5, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m thinking Lower Body, I can’t find it anywhere either. It ended his season in November, so it was a biggie.

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by Mark D on Jan 5, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This article seems to be the last game he played in 2009, and they added Pogge shortly after that, but it’s also vague:

San Antonio was forced to change goaltenders only four minutes into the game as Rampage netminder Al Montoya suffered an upper-body injury and was replaced by Josh Tordjman.

by afrosupreme on Jan 6, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

broken heart :(

You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.

by mikefromVA on Jan 6, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

great post

The guy definitely frustrates me and the islanders insistence on using him in the NHL with an 887% killed me, but you’re right. It’s not his fault. All he does is try hard and work hard. He tries to be accountable and live up to an over inflated contract and I love him for that.

I feel bad for the guy and hope he gets a chance to at least get some closure from all of this (he stays healthy for one season and gets to see if he can do it or not….but in the AHL)

"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington

by Pauly C on Jan 5, 2012 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

I feel bad for him

an I give him mega-props for working to try to get healthy enough to play again. That said, at his age, and given all that has happened, he’s never going to be more than a backup again, a backup that makes me nervous because he does stupid stuff that costs them games when he plays.

by Staten Islander on Jan 5, 2012 9:44 PM EST reply actions  

The stupid things he does is what makes me not feel as bad......

As I would if he didn’t do them. The one thing I always loved about the guy is his heart and pride in the team and in himself. As much as I love that about him is as much as I hate him for his defiance and stubbornness when it comes to, you know. I wish him luck and hope he finds something or someplace else to go. If he really loved the team, I think the best way he could help out is to graciously retire or ask for a move. Good luck Ricky, thanks for trying

by Strong Island Thuggery on Jan 6, 2012 12:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I don't.

An anchor is something that should secure a team, not drag it down to the bottom. I could spew out a long venomous diatribe about my dislike for this man, but I wish to keep my blood pressure down. I can understand someone doing all they can to redeem themselves, but he has had his chances and I’m sure when comes to Isles fans, I can safely say we are sick of him. Until the Islanders move on without DP, under contract or not, they’ll always be the laughing stock of the NHL. Cast him off into the AHL or let him linger on waivers forever, I don’t care. This saga needs to end now.

by ChryWheatGod on Jan 6, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I love DP

I was at the Draft Party in 2000 (my first ever) and I was just 9. I looked up to the guy and I was very naive, I thought he was going to be amazing. I grew up with hope for Ricky and chanting “D-P!” at the Coliseum.

I feel bad for the guy. The contract was never going to work out. It would be best for the organization if he retired, moved on and maybe replaced Butch as color commentator. He works hard. He wants to help the Islanders. I just don’t see it happening as a goalie at least this year nor next year. I would like him to try and fully recover this year, get some practice time in at the end of the year and over the summer. Really try and get his game back. Then come back next year and start in the AHL. Take the year in the AHL and prove that you’re good again, be a rock at the back for all the youngsters coming up next year in BPT, let them gain confidence. Then maybe come back if you’re ready to be a backup.

Just my two cents.

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by edavidmorris on Jan 5, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

Best Landing Spot: Islanders Representative on Hockey Night Live

All the good words for effort and hard work are applicable, but in order for the franchise to move forward, his situation needs to be resolved. They should not miss the opportunity to buy him out if the new CBA offers a discounted buy-out option that would not affect the cap.

by rmblifn on Jan 6, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They should not miss the opportunity to buy him out if the new CBA offers a discounted buy-out option that would not affect the cap.

We should all hope to god there is absolutely no such thing.
We stand to gain nothing from it and stand to lose significantly if all we do with it is buy out a guy who is going to retire anyway- or at WORST could be in the AHL and habve no caphit. I would be SO PISSED if, say, the Flyers could get out of Prongers horrible 35+ contract! If there is a buyout like this, the Islanders lose. There had better not be.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 6, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You're obviously not...

Mr. Wang’s accountant… or an heir to his estate.

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA

by JPinVA on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

His accountant would agree with me, actually.

You dont buy out a guy for like 18 seasons who is going to retire soon enough.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 6, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I can only assume...

That either way we gets paid. The difference is whether it’s against the cap or not. Keep in mind the Isles struggled just to get to the cap floor, maybe they do need his contract…scary thought.

by ChryWheatGod on Jan 6, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well written.

I often wonder what goes on in DP’s head. I highly doubt it is as nefarious as some fans might think. It has to be hard for someone (competitive or not) to watch as his dream slowly fades and he can do nothing about it except train and try again. Too often we forget how long other people hold onto their dreams even when outsiders claim the hope is too thin.

While it is frustrating to watch DP return only to be re-injured or hurt the team’s shot at winning, it is too easy for us on the outside to fire criticism after criticism because we don’t have to deal with the problems or the existential crises that each injury might deepen.

If he chooses to retire, that’s fine. If not, then that’s fine, too. I would hope he can find some closure to his career, and I hope he stays with the organization even when his playing days are done. He’s always been a class act for the organization and represents the Isles regardless of record or his playing time. It would fit with the Isles to promote another goalie to somewhere in the head offices.

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

by Turgeon1992 on Jan 5, 2012 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

have never been a fan of RDP

always seemed overrated to me, the 15 Year contract immediately made me think this franchise was permanently screwed and it made me furious – it has been the worst contract in sports history in some ways, the end of wihch would be the best thing for all considered if it can be worked out

You could blame Rick I suppose for being a suck up, and getting Wang to commit to a ridiculous deal like this

I suppose

Rick however has been classy of late, the way he has been used isn’t really his fault and you have to credit him for his positive attitude in the face of what has been an absurd period of injuries – also unprecedented

The thing you can blame him for is that he doesn’t learn or play very smart – insisting on roaming out of his net to play the puck even after it fails over and over and over again – how thick a head does he have?

Fantastic post though – it is very hard to be mad at Rick for what has transpired, the team’s use of him largely is the same as Mottau or Rolston – committing to players to whom money has been spent on regardless of their level of play – but the RDP experiment will go down as a failure, and the sooner we move on, the better

by Cary K on Jan 5, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

I feel bad for the guy too, but this has to be the end.

Not even starting regularly, he gets hurt after 8starts in a game. And to make matters worse, he reinjures himself before he’s 100%, “most likely in practice”. Not to mention, the stats are still bad. He’s not even able to maintain . I am/was a huge DP supporter for what the man has been through and hoped for the best, but he was as healthy as he’s been in forever entering this season, and still the injuries linger and the play is still sub-900 goaltending. It’s time for him to sit down with an insurance company and take whatever they give him. He’s already made over $30mil in his career counting this year, so even if insurance only paid him $10mil of his remaining $40mil, the guy would still be way ahead of the game. I’m sure he’s got enough money to lay back on and live casually for a while right now. Money shouldn’t be a problem, and if I was Wang/Snow, I’d tell DP to start looking at insurance payoffs and I’d even help him with a case. That cap hit will eventually hurt us when we are a playoff team, and we need to address it asap.

One thing I do know is, if DP doesn’t retire and Garth doesn’t have plans to start him in the ahl next year and keep him there till he proves otherwise, and spend that 4.5mil of cap money elsewhere(roughly ~10% of our team salary), I’ve then had enough of the cap floor BS and am no longer going to spend money on tickets at all, only watch on tv.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Jan 5, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions  

Hey guys

Just waned to say thanks for all the kind words, but I also wanted to just throw it out there that Dom did an incredible re-write on this. So he definitely deserves some credit for this post (and then some!).

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by Mark D on Jan 5, 2012 10:26 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

If only we were so lucky.

Dipi pretty much sums up the Milbury tenure for me. I can understand not being able to see how fragile he’d be.. but the trade that came about because of how much Milbury loved the kid continues to get make me shake my head. I’d take Luongo’s flat tire over Dipi’s wandering and self-hype. I’ll never grasp what Milbury saw in him rather than Luongo.. or why he thought Parrish and Kvasha were an equal value. It amazing how much damage was done because one man was “tired of losing”.

Who can say what would have been without the injuries, but I don’t see the logic in trading away a sure thing to draft the same exact sure thing.

by TA on Jan 5, 2012 10:28 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely the poster-child for the Milbury era

Despite coming into the picture late into his tenure. Lack of patience was Milbury’s biggest failing (out of many). Combined with his craving for the spotlight created chaos. Anyone could be moved at anytime regardless of the reason. With a perfectly good young goalie in the system, Milbury saw a chance to parlay all his chips into a huge jackpot. And pretty much handicapped the franchise for decades in the process. And that’s even without the contract.

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by PGI on Jan 5, 2012 10:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Agree

DP was a kid from Boston
First goalie taken #1 overall
The 2 big trades that day
Then Milbury rushes him into the NHL
Finally he starts coming around and it’s time for a 15 year contract.

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by Mark D on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

All things being equal, at least he popped that hip stoning GaboRag on national television.

Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.

by LaChance at Glory on Jan 5, 2012 10:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

In the looking glass of history and what we know now its easy to forget the circumstances of the contract, just from the lay perspective. The length of the deal was problematic, no question, but this was a guy who was a USA Hockey Olympic goalie, acrobatic and dominant when he was on his game and confident, in himself, with the puck, burgeoning leader, in the, dare I say, Roy style of cock sure leading from the back (a stretch
I know)— and he was our guy, he belonged to the fans at that point, management knew it. In the aftermath of the nosedive the puck mistakes and the perceived flakiness is more glaring bc we want to think of him in the prism of failure, when his only real failure is in getting the Roy contact, but having the Jim Carey career. (both hockey and comedy)

Claude LaPointe didn't make as good a pun, sadly.

by LaChance at Glory on Jan 5, 2012 10:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Opening Night

Being there, I can tell you that he was loudly boo’ed, not jeered.

by dunnowhat2type on Jan 5, 2012 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Booing a guy who wasnt even starting= stupid.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 5, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep...

I really hated that.. but it was worse when they announced Jay Pandolfo and the crowd just went DEAD.

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA

by JPinVA on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t realize that, I rushed to the game since I had just broken fast at around 7:30. I know I heard DP’s intro and I’m pretty sure they were going in number order, but I can’t seem to recall when exactly I got ot my seat. Pandolfo at 29 can’t have come much before DP and I don’t think there’s anyone besides Montoya between 29 and 39 who was on the opening day roster…

by dunnowhat2type on Jan 6, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't think for the life of me why they didn't cheer for pandalfo. Hmmm, wonder why.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 6, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

He got booed at the game against the Habs when Nabby got hurt

Then he player pretty well and there were some Ricky chants.

You people are Bi-Polar.

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 6, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I too, remember being at the draft party in 2000...

and upon hearing the bombshell that Milbury dropped on Islander nation, I was completely stunned. I was so psyched for us, having Luongo waiting in the wings, and looking like a star in the making. After the shock and the alcohol wore off, I did what any good eternal optimist Isle fan would do, I got behind RDP, figuring if MM traded Luongo to make room for him, then he MUST be the real deal. I convinced myself that with that cocky attitude, maybe he would become our Patrick Roy. Ahhh…what could have been if the injury gods weren’t so mad at Milbury. Sure, the contract was ridiculous, but I always remind people that they would have signed it too, if their boss came to them with a contract offer with comparable salary and security. D.P. must be applauded for his dedication and effort, but sadly, it’s over. Time to move on.

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by Carl Rackie on Jan 5, 2012 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

I've always thought of The Contract

(and, similarly, the Yashin Contract), as Wang’s way of separating his stewardship of the team from Milbury’s here-today-gone-tomorrow style. Like saying, “look, this guy’s gonna be around for a long time. Get comfortable with them. Please buy some jerseys.”

That doesn’t make the moves any less dumb or ludicrous. Unfortunately, he picked two wrong dudes to sign to those contracts and again just handcuffed the franchise. But I can see, sorta, where they were coming from.

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by PGI on Jan 6, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Good analysis.

Its nice to see writing about Rick that isnt reactionary and devolving into inane ramblings.

Rick doesnt need to be prodded into retiring and god knows there is NO need for a buyout.
This situation will not last all that much longer. Maybe they will try this next year one more time- but that would be it. At that point if Rick still doesnt retire, I think he will be in Bridgeport until he changes his mind.

Its a shame to see things like this happen to any player, but its even more of a shame when its a genuinely good and talented guy.

Ill also go on record saying that, once he does retire, I do not see him taking any media job with the Isles, at least not for a long time. He’s gonna be seriously depressed when what he worked to be for his whole life is finally an impossibility… he wont wanna chat about it.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 5, 2012 11:52 PM EST reply actions  

At that point if Rick still doesnt retire, I think he will be in Bridgeport until he changes his mind.

This would still suck. We’re a team on a budget and need that money to pay productive players. Another 4.5 could go a long way to both keeping Frans and PAP and bringing in a nice free agent.

Hopefully he retires early in the offseason so the Isles have the money to spend, and can vote against a buyout for the new CBA.

ps-If they buy DP out, that might be the last straw. It’s bad enough seeing Yashin’s name still sitting there on capgeek. If I had to see Ricky’s too I think I’d have an aneurysm.

by afrosupreme on Jan 6, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I cant see them buying Rick out.

Theres no benefit to it other than dispersing a caphit that the Isles dont need dispersed, and them definitely paying money that they will in all probability NOT have to pay if he retires. Theres just no benefit to it.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 6, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

But that doesn’t mean I don’t think the Isles might do it :).

by afrosupreme on Jan 6, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The next CBA

might be the only smart opportunity to do it. IF there’s an incentive. Which there just might be. I’ve got my fingers crossed that the NHL won’t allow teams to bury bad contracts in the minors anymore, so hopefully they ease up on the buyout end.

by TA on Jan 6, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If they buy him out

they’ll still be paying him when Grabner’s son is eligible for the draft.

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by PGI on Jan 6, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Tale of Two Ricks

Pre 2005-2006 – 1 Game missed due to illness/injury with the flu in 03-04. 50-06 on, 186 games missed to injury. Yeah, about that.

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by David Hanssen on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I should note

It’s 186 games and counting.

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by David Hanssen on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

As Islander fans, we do support them all.

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on Jan 6, 2012 4:28 AM EST up reply actions  

While I def agree that his level of commitment to the game and to the island should never be questioned, keep in mind his decision making has never been a strong part of his personality.

by TA on Jan 6, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Well done Webby

Finally, a rather sober look at the Islander Situation…

Which one of these guys would you pay more to NOT WEAR YOUR CLOTHES!

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA

by JPinVA on Jan 6, 2012 2:25 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm sorry

but Rick looks like absolute shit. He looks like a man who is absolutely downtrodden and fully coming around to realizing that his career is over. When he was younger, Rick was always a charismatic, brash, youthful guy, but the excitement just isn’t there anymore. That beard is more homeless than anything.

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by Fabtraption on Jan 6, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

excellent write up

excellent write up

I would add that knee swelling was co-reported with the facial injury in 2011 bring 5 consecutive years of Knee injury.

nobody has the level and length of knee problems that DP has and not lose function. I’d venture its a physiological fact that DP can never return to his former level.

by neologizer on Jan 6, 2012 2:40 AM EST reply actions  

great job !!!

Really enjoyed reading this…. U know in the end all u want form a player is to be committed to the team and that’s all DP has done .. it just sucks things had to end up this way I was really pulling for him this yr

by LETS GO ISLANDERS!!! on Jan 6, 2012 2:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Exactly

Nice work Dom.

Everyone expects the world of our players. Good night, Bad nights, we still love them.

Whether or not DP is capable of playing again, God only knows.
If the rumors are true, then there can be one more night to chant “DP” at the Coliseum.
The night he has his retirement party.
We loved the guy, the player, and we don’t always understand the injuries, but…
We’re All Islanders!!

And we have a winning streak!!!! Beat the Mighty Ducks before their fire sale!!!
LETS GO ISLANDERS!!

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by Martys301 on Jan 6, 2012 4:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Dipterocarp

Don’t feel bad for him. With millions in the bank and millions more coming, he has enough of your money. meanwhile, the Kansas City Farmers ae coming soon to a Midwest city near you…

by VinnyA on Jan 6, 2012 6:51 AM EST reply actions  

Wonderful job guys (as always).

If you take away the fact that he’s getting a crazy, insane salary (that he was offered, he didn’t demand it), to me RDP is one of those sad, sports stories that should inspire people rather then cause laughter.

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by CharlieIsles on Jan 6, 2012 7:52 AM EST reply actions  

I really hope you're right

A month or so ago, I was talking to a friend who has worked as a hockey reporter, and she said that word came down that the Isles “no longer considered DiPietro an important injury,” or something to that effect, based on their media materials. There do seem to be some other signs that Rick’s subpar play isn’t going to be tolerated in the name of his contract or his loyalty to the team or whatever else.

I feel safe in assuming that Wang is the guy who makes big picture decisions, especially Rick-related ones, and it seems that Wang has been persuaded or come around on his own to believe that the team needs to start winding down this whole debacle. Wang may love to play favorites, but he can’t expect people to buy tickets if he is willing to field a goalie who consistently puts up numbers that are not just bad, but a click or two from dead last.

by Sam Axe on Jan 6, 2012 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

Talent

A big concern for any high draft pick is that their desire does not/will not reach their talent. Anyone who watched a young DP cannot deny that he was absolutely a great talent. (The logic of trading Loungo right after drafting DP is a completely different story…) Effort was never the issue with DP. When he’s on his game he is a game changer. The game against Pitt last year right before New Year’s was bittersweet; it was great to see him win but hurt to think what could have been these past years. The real tragedy is that on this young team DP at this point could have been a veteran anchor on the squad and provided leadership and mentoring to younger players (Poulin??). You can’t teach talent or desire…but you can buy it for $67 mil. Too bad Stay Healthy lessons don’t come complimentery….

by djmNY711 on Jan 6, 2012 10:09 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

wow I have been trying to start this rumor for 2 years

and it is finally getting some wheels

I do feel sorry for DP, he had a nice future in the NHL at one time, but he has a lot of money to fall back on. I just hope he can manage to have a healthy rest of his life, time with a family and kids and all.

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by Rickfansince76 on Jan 6, 2012 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

Rick DiPietro: NY Islander

I was a RDP fan, being a former goaltender, I saw he was coming into his prime and could have been the #1 net minder for this club. But having said that he is not bigger than the club. I think Mr. Spock said it best "the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few or the one."

We have all trashed RDP on this board, and I admit to have been one of them. But, I never trashed RDP as a person, as MarkD wrote, he is an Islanders with the desire to whatever he could for the team. I’ve trashed him about his on-ice performance.

Time is bitch, aging is a bitch and one’s time in the spotlight can end quickly and unexpectedly, Bret Lindros comes to mind. Time has caught up with RDP, Injuries have caught up to RDP, and his professional athletic career is most likely over. It is not over because he is not wanted anymore, or is hated in the locker room, or bad moths the team. It most likely over for only one reason, He can’t perform at an NHL level. Did he perform at an NHL level? Yes! Can he perform at an NHL level now? Most likely, NO. That is the sole reason why RDP does not goal tend for the NY Islanders NOW!

We may see RDP in net this year, but I’m hoping not. If the Islanders are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs you may see him give it the last college try before he realizes his time in the spotlight is over.

We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!

by Russel Ginart on Jan 6, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

I really must have missed it...

….but what was the supposed rumor about DP and Zenon? Did I miss that one? I really have no memory of that. And I wasn’t drunk, so……little help??

by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Supposedly Zeke took a few shots at DP towards the end of the season, and DP was the one that pushed for him not to come back.

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by Mark D on Jan 6, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I hadn't heard about that

Maybe Rick didn’t like Zenon’s wine.

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by PGI on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Konopka (more): players have arguments in locker room all the time. they are like a big family. (addressing DP vs Konopka rumor)

From Gallof, but I can’t find the original article

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by Mark D on Jan 6, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice write up gentlemen

I’ve mentioned this before, but folks that make fun of his contract are the same folks that would be cheering if he hadn’t gotten hurt. We had a bonafide #1 goalie locked up long term at a reasonable 4.5 million per season who was improving each year until he needed a Life Line. Could it have been a 10 year deal instead of 15? Yeah…. As long as WangSnow continue to spend as little over the cap floor as possible, RDP will be the ultimate cap mule. I never questioned Rick’s intensity and passion, but unfortunately the tools just aren’t there anymore. How could they after all the injuries he’s been through? I’m not the only one that has questioned his lateral movement ability, which being in the Roy-esque hybrid style, is certainly important to success.

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by FireGarthSnow on Jan 6, 2012 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

He's still overpaid.

There are far better goaltenders in the NHL that paid less than DiPietro and others for that matter. He had, what? One? good season?

03-04: 23-8-5 (ties) GAA 2.36 Sv% .911 5 Shutouts
05-06: 30-24-5 GAA 3.02 Sv% .900 1 Shutouts
06-07: 32-19-9 GAA 2.58 Sv% .919 5 Shutouts
07-08: 26-28-7 GAA 2.82 Sv% .902 3 Shutouts

So on average we’re looking at 28-20-7 GAA 2.70 Sv% .908 3 Shoutouts. This is Cristobal Huet or Sergei Bobrovsky territory, of course that’s when he’s healthy…

by ChryWheatGod on Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

A little better than that

He was hurt at the ‘08 ASG. His numbers were much better before the injury that afterward: sv % from .911 to .881, GAA from 2.48 to 3.36. Based just on the save %, Rick would have allowed 16 fewer goals over his 19 post-injury games in 2008, probably enough to post an additional shutout and win a few more games to get to 30 overall for the year. And remember that he was still just 26 and his next four years would have been his prime, rather than what we’ve seen.

All things considered, the Isles could probably have expected .910+ years out of him three of those seasons, another 15 or so shutouts, and possibly another playoff berth. On the downside, the Isles also would not have Tavares.

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by mikb on Jan 6, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

What are the legal "rules" of DP's contract?

I read on this site in the past by posters, that if DP is forced to retire due to injury, the contract is covered…I’ve also read that he has to play till 35, and then if injuries force him to retire, the remaining years are covered by insurance? Anyone know the answer for certain? Not opinion but the actual answer….

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 6, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

a few things for certain...

That 15 year contract is totally on Wang, not Snow, Neil Smith or Milbury, it was all Wang.

2nd, Milbury and Milbury alone is responsible for overdrafting DP 1st overall when everyone and their grandmother ranked Heatly and Gaborik 1 and 2, although their was absolutely no consensus as to which of those two would be first, but everyone saw them as the first two picks. Crazy thing, Milbury would have looked better had the Isles not won the draft lottery that year, b/c Milbury ignored that and still picked the guy he originally wanted, even though he already had Luongo. I read years ago, Milbury said he would have taken Gaborik over Heatley.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

"DiPietro Injured While Injured"

I know Rick gets a lot of undeserved shots like this (and some deserved ones as well), but I had to laugh at that— laughing not at Rick, but at the situation(s). When I can’t laugh about Rick’s predicament, I just get depressed about the whole thing. And I can imagine it is 1000x worse for Rick, who is actually going through all of this.

Unless Rick somehow finishes the season on a good note, it will have gotten to the point where I just hope he figures out what to do with the rest of his life, because it’s not worth it to him to go through another season of this with so bleak a chance of turning things around.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 6, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

RDP

Leading up to that fateful all star game, I remember thinking this guy has a real shot at being a true superstar. He had that unique ability to be the " third" defenceman and seemed to be able to harness his daredevil instincts, and was rolling along in all-star form. He could make that highlight reel save, and often did.
What I see now is a one trick pony. He drops early to his knees with arms extended. Lots of high goals.
I hate, hate to say it, but maybe retirement is the best option. By the way, it’s easy to tell who never saw him play before the injuries

by 4195mary on Jan 6, 2012 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

He was all potential....

As a fellow goalie, I understand Dipietro’s plight, but ultimately IT HAS TO END. He is no longer an NHL goalie. In his younger years, he relied on his speed and quickness. But I have always said his height was his biggest detriment to his NHL career. As quick and speedy he was to drop down into the butterfly, he was ALWAYS getting beat high glove side. In this day and age, you need your goalies to be 6’2 to cover the high net when they drop down. But with his knee problems, his biggest attribute was stolen. Which is a shame, because it really did cover for his other faults. I must admit I was never a big fan of DP, saying he was always too short to be an NHL goalie, and that he was Milbury’s last FU to Islanders Fans (Being that both of them were from Boston, and I have long contended that Milbury had a secret agenda to destroying the NY ISLES). BUT, DP amazed me many times with the way he could make these timely leg saves or shoot across the net to rob down low…He did steal many games for us, but he was never that “steady rock”. He is also a head case, which if you know anyone thats been close to him, to be the truth. It doesn’t surprise me that Z, who is a consummate NHL pro, whose been around, and knows success, and probably the #1 reason the ISLES aren’t the same this year (hello continuity??) didn’t like DP….

by domperignon on Jan 6, 2012 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

Amazing???????
BUT, DP amazed me many times with the way he could make these timely leg saves or shoot across the net to rob down low

The reason he looked amazing making a last second save was 1/2 the time he was out of position. His reflexes WERE great, but he had to use them more often than most because he made dumb decisions with the puck and also was caught of position way too many times a game. He still does those things even now.

by mordred0831 on Jan 6, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, not amazing but amazed!

I wholly agree with you, like I said, his quickness and reflexes compensated for his other faults, which covers u in lesser competition, like the NCAA, but not the NHL

by domperignon on Jan 6, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Who is Z? The guy that fed Hoppy?
Z, who is a consummate NHL pro, whose been around, and knows success,

Who is this Z of which you speak? Konopka? Chara? because the former is nothing like the latter and Chara is the one that meets the criteria above.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 6, 2012 4:38 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Konpka of course...

We were basically hockey 101 for Chara, just an NHL team for him to learn how to skate after never playing hockey before…Konopka, is a man whose been around the league, who has multiple exposures to different NHL cultures/locker rooms. And when I speak about continuity, Z would’ve given us that steady influence on our 4th line that banged, that truly believed in his teammates and who stuck up for them. Not to mention one of the best face-off men in the NHL. If the Isles really wanted to use last years resurgence in the second half as a stepping stone for this year, you need continuity in the locker room. You need people who are together for more than 1 year who can start to believe in one another and gel as a group. I wholly believe this offseason transaction did much to disrupt that. I understand the philosophy in bringing in reasoner, being an overall better hockey player than Z, but sometimes, intangibles mean just as much as talent. You can’t flip half your team every year and expect good results……

by domperignon on Jan 6, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Konpka would have given us

a big mouth and an opportunity to practice improving our penalty kill with the best faceoff man generally in the box. That he stepped up and fought when needed was great, but his timing wasn’t always the greatest, and for whatever reason he seems to think leading the league in PMs every year is the road to success. There is a reason so many teams keep letting him go. Yzerman looks like a prophet after TB let him go, to this Isles fan at least.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 6, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

DiPi - As The Stomach Turns

I will start right off by saying right from the beginning I thought it was assinine to trade Luongo who was just starting to break out and take a goalie with the #1 pick. So to be honest I was never thrilled with him from the get go.

The Good
1. Good Puck Handler
2. Quick Reflexes
3. Before the injury in January 2008 during the 1st half of that season he single handedly kept the Islanders alive by playing unbelievable Goaltending.

The Bad (Far outways the good)
1. Islanders could have taken Heatley or Gaborik and kept Luongo and Jokinen Thank you Mad Mike
2. Absolute worst positioning goalie always gets caught out of position and leads to awful goals
3. Makes dumb decisions with the puck because of his good puck handling that leads to awful goals
Numbers 2 and 3 were major problems with him before the injuries and even as he has gotten older he still has the same isssues.
4. Stupid Contract (thank you Wang)
5. Multiple operations on his knees
6. Multiple operations on his hips
7. Multiple goin injuries
8. In 3 calandar years has played only 66 games
9. If DiPi is on the roster the Islanders need to keep 3 goalies in the NHL
10. Since the Injuries one of the worst Save %
11. Since the injuries one of the wosrt GAA
12. Since the Injuries his reflexes are slower
13. Since the injuries he takes way too long to get up off the ice
14. Even though he is older still has not learned to play good positional goaltending that is what keeps older goalies in the league to anticipate and be in position
15. Even though he is older still make stupid decisions with the puck.
16. At the end of last season he was asked about his competion coming into this season his reply “What Competion”

Until the DiPi As The Stomach Turns Soap Opera is finaly canceled the Islanders are wasting one of their roster spots!!!!!

by mordred0831 on Jan 6, 2012 4:48 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

it’s not fun to say, but even earlier this year when DP appeared to be playing well and fans on this site were starting to believe, I said it is a long season and DP will definitely get injured again. That’s the problem, he’s human like the rest of us, and the body can not be expected to heel to the point it would have been without multiple injuries. DP really does need to think about like after hockey, before he winds up walking with canes.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 6, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

there has to be a statistic

that factors in dumbass plays by goalies

Dipietro is the all time active leader

by far

by Cary K on Jan 6, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Team and On Ice Play Aside

Rick has been nothing but a class act to this organization and deserves all of our respect for his effort day in and day out. I don’t doubt that rick desperately wanted to bring a cup and success to this team and its rather unfortunate injuries have hampered his career, but the man deserves the respect of the islander fan base and not to be ridiculed. Unfortunately, he will be the poster boy for blown-up contracts, but I have been a DP fan from day 1 and even though his on ice performance has been terrible, I did enjoy the time when he was our #1 goalie. I respect his effort to come-back and will always be a fan of DP.

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by mikefromVA on Jan 6, 2012 7:49 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Jan 6, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

in fairness

I would have signed that contract too if I were DP, I don’t blame him for that, I blame Wang.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 6, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Socrates himself could not have written a better tragedy.

I just hope that at some point there is a Disney sports movie ending at the end of this tunnel.

As I’ve said many times before, if the entire team had even half of Ricky’s heart and passion for the Islanders the franchise would be in a much better situation than it is right now.

The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.

by Metalstar on Jan 6, 2012 9:11 PM EST reply actions   2 recs


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