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Styles and Contrasts? Islanders Shot Blocking for Nabokov vs. Montoya

Don't be frontin' like Lars ain't a Dane.

Occasionally Islanders fans try to decipher whether the team plays any different in front of Evgeni Nabokov than it does for Al Montoya or Rick DiPietro.

It's a common reach to explain any perceived trend in any team's season, but as is so often the case there's not much clear data to go on -- especially when one strays into "tries harder for" and "likes playing for" territory.

One noticeable difference in the two goalies' styles though is that Montoya plays higher in his crease than Nabokov.

Another difference might be buried in Elliotte Friedman's 30 Thoughts last week:

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Martin Biron says there is no way Dominik Hasek could play for the Rangers, because he hated players blocking shots in from of him. "He would always yell 'Must see, must see!'"

Another goalie like that: Islanders' Evgeni Nabokov, who's been pretty good as of late. Islanders defencemen say he wants them "fronting" opponents instead of between them and the net. "If the puck gets behind you," Steve Staois said, "he wants to be one-on-one with the shooter. He doesn't like it when you're between the two of them."

Is this a key difference to your eyes? I dug up some shot-blocking data for the Islanders in front of Nabokov and Montoya to help out. There are way too many variables involved -- roster personnel and that night's stat keepers among them -- but I thought it would help give us a quick snapshot and provoke discussion:

Shots and Blocks for Montoya vs. Nabokov, Last 10 Starts

I cut the survey off at each goalie's last 10 complete games -- so games when either appeared as an injury replacement or left the game with an injury were excluded. The other warning in this comparison is Nabokov's last 10 games were all in January, whereas Montoya -- whose injury enabled Nabokov's uninterrupted string of starts -- goes all the way back to Thanksgiving.

Goalie's Last 10 Complete Games Shots on Goal Shots Blocked % of Shots Attempts Blocked
Evgeni Nabokov 282 178 38.6%
Al Montoya 270 165 38.0%
Rick DiPietro*
146 82 36.0%

*Only five complete games for DiPietro, including when he relieved Nabokov early vs. Montreal.

For Montoya, shots blocked in a single game range from eight (road win at New Jersey after Thanksgiving) to 30 (home OTL to Toronto). For Nabokov, the range was 12 (home loss to the Flyers) to 25 (road win at Philadelphia). I only included DiPietro because people would ask, but he's really had so little exposure this year -- five starts -- that you can't even consider his numbers here.

Again, I cannot overstate how inconclusive this data is: Ten games is nothing. Shot-blocking stats are notoriously wonky. And even if they were ironclad accurate, every game features different personnel, different opponents, different amounts of special teams, different score effects (i.e. playing with the lead vs. trying to erase a lead) and quite possibly adjusted approaches since Montoya's sample goes back to late November while Nabokov's is all January. It'd be great to have 40 games of each, knowing what the shots and blocks per 60 was at even strength, on the PK, and with the score tied, etc. Alas.

I only pulled these numbers because recent discussion and Staios' quote about Nabokov's preference had me thinking about the different approaches the goalies (and their defense) take. Upon reflection, I figured a that discussion would prompt claims that the players block more in front of one goalie vs. the other. The very crude, small-sample, non-situationally nor opponent-controlled numbers suggest there is no meaningful difference there: How the Islanders attempt to prevent attacks is more important than which goalie is behind them...

Long Introduction to a Simple Discussion Topic

...which brings us back the the qualitative question you can take as narrowly or as broadly as you like:

What differences do you observe in Montoya and Nabokov's approaches, and how does that affect what their teammates do in front of them? (Note: I've avoided puckhandling so far, but that's obviously another variable in this question.)

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I like both guys.

Nabokov has been in goal for the recent upturn in results but sometimes makes some decisions that make you want to bang your head against a wall. Montoya is a good goalie also though & I think with a sustained run he would also be a big contributer to any game he plays in for us.

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by Kung Fu Panda 48 on Jan 30, 2012 2:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

""he wants to be one-on-one with the shooter."

I always wondered why it wasn’t more common practice to just cover the extra man. Maybe at the risk of taking a penalty? I don’t get it. It’s giving a guy a shot + pass v just giving him the shot.

Never really had an opportunity to test this myself, as I usually was the dman who was caught up ice.

by TA on Jan 30, 2012 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

when I played

my goalies always told us to take away the passes so the shooter has a little choice as possible.

Amateurs practice til they get it right. Professionals practice til they can't get it wrong.

by Torgo on Jan 30, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool Topic

My own observations:
Nabbys strengths are his Intelligence, Efficiency and Fundamentals. Although he sometimes makes bad decisions, he processes the plays developing in front of him very quickly, kind of like when a middle linebacker or safety reads play art.

I actually think Montoya is worse when it comes to positioning. He seems to forget where he is sometimes and ends up getting beat because his angle/depth was off. I think he gets tunnel vision sometimes when tracking the puck. He doesnt seem very flexible(for a goalie), but his style doesnt require him to be.

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by backstop87 on Jan 30, 2012 3:41 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Interesting

I agree with you on Montoya’s positioning and maybe tunnel vision part. It’s just interesting the situations where he’ll end up well out of the crease vs. Nabokov.

This is just one of those out-of-nowhere examples, but I remember a recent breakaway Nabby stopped recently (against Philly maybe?) where he allowed himself to follow the deke and slide his way well to the side of the net on the follow-through of his save — to make sure he held on to the puck (and got a whistle) but also knowing he could afford it because the chasing defenseman was the first guy back.

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by Dominik on Jan 30, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Word up

Nabbys not just thinking about stopping the shot, but eliminating the scoring chance. If Montoya ever gets his awareness to Nabbys level…we’re set

"Oh no. He's got some speed. I might have to take his legs out." Rick DiPietro shortly before the first stitch came out.

by backstop87 on Jan 30, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep

I was actually afraid we’d get some kind of weird call against because his momentum carried him out of the trapezoid.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 31, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Can we read it as positive that the shot blocking percentage (even in this small sample size) is effectively even despite the goalie?

It seems the Isles proclivity for blocking shots is unaffected by the man in the net, although some nights will see more blocked shots than others. I think it is marginally positive.

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by Turgeon1992 on Jan 30, 2012 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

I forgot to mention

The Islanders are among the league leaders in blocked shots, which is not necessarily a good thing (can often mean you have less possession) but isn’t exactly a bad thing. I should really pull their road-only numbers (to try to eliminate scoring bias at the home rink).

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 30, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I thing because of the positioning (high in the crease)

Montoya tends to get bumped out of position (by either the opposition or his own D) and sometimes can’t recover. Additionally, you wonder how often his being out that far hurts the D ability to push or move guys out of the way.

I am a huge fan of how efficient Nabby has gotten once he started to get the bulk of the starts. Pretty amazing considering how efficient I thought AM was the year before…man we must’ve had some bad goaltending. He really isn’t moving around a lot and isn’t scrambling. I feel like he’s been limiting his stickhandling forays lately too. Honestly, I have no problem with him getting more starts than Montoya at this point. He’s earned them.

It’s still unfortunate that there was the injury and 3 goalie brigade thing because you wonder what could’ve been if these guys were able to play predictable consistent minutes from jump.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 31, 2012 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

What kills me is we still don't now what either guy can provide on a regular basis

Since no one’s had the reins for long enough to leave a mark. I guess this is why goaltending is hard to judge — there’s luck, sure, bu there’s also some real swings in form.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 31, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  


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