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The 2012 NHL All-Star Game is in the books, and it's time to resume (well, Tuesday it's time) a season that is fast approaching its stretch run. If you took the weekend off from the NHL, here is the All-Star Game summary and roster sheet, and here's a recap of one team beating another team.

Here is our site's chats for the game itself and Saturday's skills competition. In the actual game, the Islanders star Milbury is no longer empowered to trade acquitted himself well, as John Tavares picked up a goal and an assist and appeared to have fun out there. Jason Spezza did some blog posts for nhl.com from the hometown perspective, and his final one summed up the weekend well.

I have to say I don't often dwell on all of the still-lingering damage Mike Milbury did to this franchise, but seeing some traded-away stars this weekend (not to mention the ex-Isle stars who weren't there) did put me in a "what if?" funk.

Oh well, to the here and now: We had midseason roundtables part 1 and part 2 last week, to follow-up on the 1st-half report cards. Below are links and videos to catch you up and get you ready for the season's final less-than-half-but-more-than-third.

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Islanders Links

1981 Islanders Chevy Commercial

My family owned a couple of Chevettes, so suddenly I feel closer to Butch Goring and the gang. (No really, how could you endorse those clunkers?) You can tell from this and the other link that Keith has been digging through the ancient clips:


NHL Scuttlebutt

All-Star Game Highlights

Both of John Tavares' points came from behind-the-net plays. The first, a goal, came when he picked up an easy rebound after feeding Jason Pominville in front. After the first period he was put on a line with hometowners Jason Spezza and Milan Michalek, and his second point (about 5:00 in the above video) came on a pretty change-of-direction feed behind the net to Michalek, who had plenty of net to shoot at.

As you can see from the highlights, it was your typical three-quarter speed (and that's being generous) All-Star Game. I get the no checking part, but I could stand to see players use the accelerator just a little bit more. We know they have great hands and can use them at goof-off practice speed -- hell, the NHL shows us that every time a game is undecided after overtime -- but a little flash of acceleration, which separates them from AHLers, might make the display a little more enticing.

Oh well, it's just the All-Star Game. Mic the players up and take what you get.

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Thoughts from NS

(1) Columbus gave up two First Rounders for Jeff Carter? Would the Isles give up two first rounders for Carter? #somethingtothinkabout

(2) Gawd, that All Star game was boring. 3 minute shifts. No D. JT had a goal and an assist but, in one shift the the third period, I think was -3, including that marvelous effort on Chara’s goal. #whydotheybother?

I’m sure there wil be more.

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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 30, 2012 7:50 AM EST reply actions  

There's gotta be another way to do that game....

don’t get me wrong, I like seeing world class athletes show off (home run contest, slam dunk contest, fastest skater, etc.) but I want to see competition.

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by CharlieIsles on Jan 30, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Please no

cause when they did this in Baseball it came up with the stupid home field advantage in the world series being based on it.

I thought things got pretty competitive when it was NA Vs World.

I think we’ve also had a couple of discussions around here about using a longer all-star break and having a 4 team all star game based on countries. Canada, USA, Russia and Europe/Rest would face off in a skills competition and then in a 4 team playoff.

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by Mark D on Jan 30, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree and would go further. Who cares if the game isn’t competitive? The players have fun, the skills competition is great and hopefully no one gets hurt. I get fans not loving it, but there’s an easy solution-don’t watch.

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It was Voracek (who is a former 1st rounder) plus a first and a 3rd. A 40-50 point players plus two picks.

So you’re basically talking Okposo + 1st + 3rd as an equivalent package.

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by George E. Ays on Jan 30, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

Probably take a player and picks. At the same time Carter has done nothing to increase his value in Columbus (granted in part due to injury). And Columbus comes off as desperate wanting to move him again so quickly, which probably lowers his value some also. How much-I don’t know. I doubt it’s at Bailey + 1st level, but it might be Okposo +3rd.

That said, I don’t see the Isles as players here. We have a #1 center and a bunch of other needs that we should be addressing if we’re trading Okposo.

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus his contract is like DPs

with a NMC or NTC to kick in pretty soon. Not sure the Isles want any part of that. I sure don’t.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

not to mention major cap hit

Why yes, I do have a man crush on Bailey and Martin, and no, I don't care what you think about it

by DarthDoyle on Jan 30, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

like DPs with a NMC or NTC to kick in pretty soon

Wait-DP has a NMC that kicks in? I didn’t even know that part of it. It just keeps getting worse…

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

No DP doesn't

meant the length is similar, but in addition to the craptastical length, Carter has the NTC kiss of death to boot. Sounds like a good fit for Calgary.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh

got it. About gave me a heart attack.

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude

DPs contract doesn’t need a written NTC. The NTC is found in the clause that reads, in part, “DP owns the Isles’ souls until 2022.”

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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 30, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ha!

True, I was more worried about a NMC which would prevent burying him in the AHL as well.

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 2:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

My apprehension with Carter

is more about him being a sourpuss who doesn’t want to play in Columbus. He pouted right after the trade and, although the injuries don’t help, hasn’t exactly been lights out when he’s played. If he wanted to play for the Islanders, A. I’d be shocked and B. I’d seriously look into bringing him in. I think he and Parenteau would work well together. I don’t know if I’d trade Okposo (or Nino) plus a first, which is what it would take.

The problem then would be having not one but two guys with million year contracts. Now, if the Blue Jackets took back DIPeitro, who agreed to retire so they could save a ton of cap space…

Of course, I have no idea how my own salary works, let alone those of NHL players, so everything I just wrote might be complete BS.

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by PGI on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I know i don't want to trade Okposo

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 30, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure why anyone would take back DPs contract

He’s not even an NHL level goaltender right now. Worst case with Carter, you can still play him as a wing or as a middle 6 guy.

I hear you though, I keep having visions of someone taking a risk-based maneuver on DP, but let’s face it, if this bunch of goalie coaches and consultants can’t milk something out of a mediocre goaltender, then it’s not likely anyone else can. This bunch has milked decent performances out of Danis, MacDonald, Montoya, Nabokov, Roloson, Dubliewicz, and probably a few others I’m forgetting about. All of them had better numbers than DP.

Some are in the AHL right now, Dubie was in Russia, Rollie is falling apart.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, missed the retirement part

but I doubt that’s happening either.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

So where do you think DP is next year?

I agree he willnever be traded, why would somebody want him?

But if he doesn’t agree to retire, is he on the Island again next year, or will they finally do the right thing and bury him in the minors?

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 30, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt even the AHL

I’m assuming he will be the “healthy” (chuckle) scratch pretty often. Whether they re-sign Nabby/Montoya or not, they still have an odd goalie rotation. Even if Poulin is ready, I’d still like to see Koskinen back in BPT.

The cap hit is obviously not the issue, so the issue is roster space and real $ payment and value on the return…and nothing says no value on a return like an .876 sv%.

And honestly, I’m not sure anyone would even want to see him in BPT. Could you imagine if he posts similar numbers there and still won’t retire? I think they will give him opportunity to practice with the team and try to work his way back in the background and get spot started if there is an injury or randomly throughout the year to kind of probe his progress. But there’s no way they can be serious about next season with him as a goaltending option based on play and injuries. (I know that was said about this year…and last year…and well, this time I hope they’re super serious about their expectations).

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

"Could you imagine if he posts similar numbers there and still won’t retire?"

Yeah, but at least he will look like the moron instead of the team.
I don’t believe they ever make the playoffs while they hide him on the roster, it’s time to move on.

Most teams wouldn’t have him anywhere near the big club. Most team would bury him in the minors and make him realize what’s up. it’s time we do the same, so we can move on.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 30, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

He should be at Bridgeport, and he shouldn’t play there. That’s the only reasonable thing that can be done with him. It would be terrible to waste a roster spot on him in the NHL, and just as bad to take reps from a youngster in the AHL. So you send him there, and let him sit around collecting $4.5M until it gets old. But you don’t keep screwing the organization by giving him another chance.

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree about he shouldn't play there either, but not sure how the AHL works on that

Thye have got to start to move on. They have to. They probably won’t, but they have to.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

He should be at Bridgeport, and he shouldn’t play there.

Thts not happening yet… so if thats what youre going to be calling for from now until next October, prepare to be plenty angry.

I think it would be more reasonable to focus on what can happen realistically and be practicval about all of this.

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by TheMetalChick on Jan 30, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Not saying it will

But that is the best thing for the organization, short of his retirement. Anything else hurts the team, and speaks volumes about how they are running the show.

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 30, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Really not much to debate anymore

99 percent of Isles fans know something has to be done, and are waiting for them to do it.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 30, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

True.

And like Tom Petty says, the waiting is the hardest part.
But thats whats going to have to happen- IMO this situation is not being settled this offseason and the earliest I see it being closer to somewhat settled is a year from now.

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by TheMetalChick on Jan 30, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Quoth Lil Wayne

“I’m the Cash Money Makaveli, y’all ain’t ready, break fast like Tom Petty, y’all just petty.”

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by Chairman Meow on Jan 30, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

How about

We just avoid the topic all together? Its beyond beating a dead horse. The horse is dust and bones at this point and everyones arms are tired. lets stop arguing about this already

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by Zhora on Jan 30, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Works for me

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Ditto!

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by Russel Ginart on Jan 30, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Who was arguing?

Your post had the worst tone of any of these posts.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 30, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If only

He had Gil Meche’s integrity (stupidity?)

by Dorfer on Jan 30, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm pretty sure the

“sourpuss” attitude came fro the fact that the Flyers screwed him over in the most massive way by signing him to a long term deal woith promnises of how he was a big part of a Cup Contending tea for years to come and then tossed him away to Columbus for scraps in order to sign a “top notch” goaltender.

Ask yourself, if you have been Carter, would you have signed that contract with Columbus? I doubt it very much. I would suspect that Carter would fit in very well around here. This is not to say that it wouldn’t cause some concerns or problems, but we’re always looking at what Garth can get, without trading away TEH CORE, and I suspect that if Carter wants to be moved to a team where he could contend in a relatively short time, LI could be one of those places.

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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 30, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I'm sure that was it

If I sign an 11-year-contract with a team, I better goddamn be there for a long time. Not traded a year later. But still, as a professional athlete, he’s got to suck it up and play for whoever’s paying you. In a way, Carter came dangerously close to pulling a Kirk Muller on the Blue Jackets, and I don’t wish that nonsense on anyone.

Carter and Nash haven’t really clicked mainly because they’re both shoot first guys. I think Parenteau’s passes finding Carter a few times a night would be pretty wild. Again, it’s all about what the Islanders would have to give up.

But I do hate his hair, though. He’ll need to get some flow tips from PA, Moulson and Martin.

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by PGI on Jan 30, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It might be worth it just to have a "Flow Line"

Then we can park a sports car on the ice and have them skate around it while scoring on beer-league guys in Chico Resch jerseys.

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by mikb on Jan 30, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The Hair Line

The game stories practically write themselves.

“Hair Line recedes – Islanders lose 5-1”
“Hair Line Fracture – Islanders demote Carter to fourth line”

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by PGI on Jan 30, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If Carter didn't want this to happen...

…he shouldn’t have signed without a no-trade clause, or at least a partial clause (saying something like he can rule out some teams he didn’t want to be traded to.)

No one was holding gun to Carter’s head saying he had to sign the contract without a no-trade clause.

That said, if Isles can get him for relatively cheap and he would be motivated to play hard for Isles, I would be strongly in favor of it. Secondary scoring problems? Not with Carter.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 30, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

He has a No Trade Clause

it just didn’t kick off right away, so the Flyers were able to deal him. Considering he was Captain and everyone in Philly thought he was going to be a long term player in their system, I don’t see why he would believe he would get traded such a short time later

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by Mark D on Jan 30, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The Flames blog guys are debating whether Jay Feaster ought to try for him

Interesting discussion from their POV. The Isles, of course, have many more young assets, including the goalie that the Jackets would surely demand in return. I’d hate to see Poulin go, though, and they may want someone closer to ready than Koskinen or Nilsson. Plus they’d want the first-rounder. Besides all of that, Carter would be the second-line center here.

The move would be with some risk. Carter’s health is an issue recently, and his contract runs for another ten years. Also, the Isles need defense far more and might want to conserve assets to obtain that, instead.

I think there’s a potential profitable discussion to be had there.

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by mikb on Jan 30, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Calgary

Hilarious given Kieth’s joke above.

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 2:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Please

No more double-digit length contracts. Please!

by Dorfer on Jan 30, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Loved the analysis on the 3-point game system.

It just makes sense to have every game carry the same weight in the standings. The Bettman Welfare Point must die.

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by Torgo on Jan 30, 2012 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

I can't tell who that goalie is

but if you pause it at 25 seconds, you can tell that an Islander invented “Tebowing”.

Something that bothers me and is a little OT, that car gets better gas mileage than most cars do today…31 years ago.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Exactly what I thought when I saw 30 MPG city / 39 MPG hwy

and you know that car weighed a good 30% more than today’s small cars.

by 4PeatSake on Jan 30, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

30 mpg in the city

I’ll be lucky to get than in my current honda, let alone in the car i’m saving up to buy (mini), well in that case, better buy a car with a tdi engine

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by DarthDoyle on Jan 30, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

It did get 31/39

It just had to get towed for 25 of those miles.

by martylnd on Jan 30, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hasn't the methodology changed?

I remember about five years ago, the EPA did something to change the way they measure fuel economy. There’s no way a car from 30 years ago has nearly the gas mileage of my one year old hybrid.

by dunnowhat2type on Jan 30, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea

Chevette probably wouldn’t get those numbers now, but the methodology actually has more to do with adjusting to changes in people’s driving. Basically people used to drive a lot slower and a lot less aggressively, hence getting better mileage.

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

plus you didnt have every teenage guy

driving a giant suv trying to make up for some lackings in HS, coming from a no longer teenage guy who drove a beat up man van

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by DarthDoyle on Jan 30, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Definitely weighed significantly less than today's small cars

And the EPA has since changed how they measure MPG – today’s cars would actually have much higher MPG if they used the old testing techniques. Also, the amount of pollutants coming from a Chevette (especially a diesel like my brother had, what a tank that thing was, probably got close to 60mpg) are far greater than what comes out of tailpipes these days.

by Dorfer on Jan 30, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone else remember

Bob Nystrom doing car commercials? I can’t seem to find any on YouTube. Unless I just made them up in my head.

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by PGI on Jan 30, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Worst part of the weekend.

My daughter asking me “Why did the Islanders trade away big Z?”; followed immiedaitely by my wife asking “Spezza wears 19, do you have that jersey too?”. I really had no good answer for either.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 30, 2012 9:28 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

I really had no good answer for either.

Only tears.

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

for big Z

you could say that we had a man running this team that wanted to make the team fail because he was still sour over losing to us in the playoffs during the 70’s/80’s

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by DarthDoyle on Jan 30, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I tried to be reasoable

I said Chara wasn’t very polished at the time, and she asked if there are a lot of big guys that shoot the puck 109 mph? And I felt a little stupid justifying it.

Then when my wife asked the Spezza question not even two minutes later, I had to say and they traded his rights along with Big Z too. So by my daughter’s math she said “isn’t it cool you could say 3 Islanders made the All-Star team?” Unfortunately, I said “no it didn’t.”

by Hockey1919 on Jan 30, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

When the question (jokingly) came up of whether JT won the FIG

I had to go through the box score to be sure that this was the case.

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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 30, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

CRAP.

I missed my chance to earn a damn point in that thing lol.

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by TheMetalChick on Jan 30, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

When they showed some blip of Chara that made me sad on Sunday

I said something like, “He was an Islander too.” and Mrs. Lighthouse said, “Yeah. You said that yesterday.”

It’s weird, normally I don’t dwell on those anymore in the middle of the season — it must’ve be the pause in competition that has me all sad panda again.

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by Dominik on Jan 30, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I miss Chara more, but I have to admit it was more reasonable at the time.

Chara was still a project, Spezza was a projected number 2 overall and I wasn’t sold that the Yashin deal would look this bad in hindsight.

I would feel worse if I were Ottawa and thought to myself, we kept Redden instead of Chara and Redden isn’t even a cap hit on the Rangers. Redden of course being the Islanders first round pick dealt only because Berard refused to join Ottawa, what a tangled web this whole affair has been.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 30, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, of Milbury's moves, that was the one that had more immediate rationale

It’s more what it represented, the “five? Why not make it 10?” contract that followed, and how it all fit in to Milbury’s piss poor asset management overall that makes me sad.

Agree on Ottawa — that also crossed my mind as Chara referred to old teammates in Ottawa: “Wow…Ottawa let him walk to keep Redden.”

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by Dominik on Jan 30, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

JT, making us proud again

he had a very good weekend. Did well in the skills comp, and played very well in the game. I took me about 5 minutes to figure out what 91 he is, but then it was easy, his beastly skating style easy to pick out amongst the rest.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 30, 2012 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

well, that and he's Lefty

and Stamkos is Righty

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by bob l on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Shhhhh...

I was trying to sound cool.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 30, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

BobbyNystromOwnsYou

Why is your avatar of JT? I would expect a Bobby Nystrom avatar!LOL

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by Russel Ginart on Jan 30, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The AHL all-star game

is on MSG+ tonight at 7 if anyone wants to get a look at Cizikas. I know he competed in the fastest skater competition, not sure how he did though.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Really? Nice.

I’d check that out. Thanks.

by Les Beaver on Jan 30, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't do well

Not bad either, but above 14 sec ain’t going to win it.

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by mikefromVA on Jan 30, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Was it the same race as the NHL ASG?

I feel like Grabs was in the 14 second range last year when it was around the circumference of the ice.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 3:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Don't remember

but people were scoring under 13…..think it may have been different.

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by mikefromVA on Jan 30, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It was not the same race in the NHL from last year to this year, so really it could have been different for the AHL, too.

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by TheMetalChick on Jan 30, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Barbara Williams

was my power skating coach back in the day.

All aboard to down town pound town.

by Captain Yar on Jan 30, 2012 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

Nice.

Did it help?

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by Dominik on Jan 30, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

She knew her stuff even though she rocked figure skates. Made my OK backwards skating into faster then some people who skate forward, that’s for sure.

All aboard to down town pound town.

by Captain Yar on Jan 30, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

So Bridgeport is on fire ever since Rahk came back?

Anyone see him getting called up soon for another look?

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by edavidmorris on Jan 30, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

you got your wish

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by Homey Chives on Jan 30, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

Arthur StapleStapeNewsday
#Isles recall F Rhett Rakhshani and G Kevin Poulin from Bridgeport. Marty Reasoner to IR. No word yet on why Poulin recalled.
7:40 PM

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by Francesca on Jan 30, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Poulin too?

Does that mean a Nabokov deal is in the works? Or that someone got hurt again?

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by mikb on Jan 30, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

More confusing
NYIslanders NYIslanders
Montoya, Nabokov and Poulin all skating at #isles practice today. Reasoner (IR) also a full participant

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Milbury

Most people castigate Milbury for his trades and rightly so but it seems to me his biggest adverse impact on the franchise was the denuding of the prospect system. 3 or 4 years ago The Isles were just about bottom on the rankings for prospects now at least one of the prospect web sites has them ranked 3rd.
Apart from Teams like the Rangers that have limitless funds the best teams have strong minor league systems – prospects to develop into first team players, people to step in when injuries happen and prospects to dangle in front of others to get established players.
But that takes time
Lastly as far as DP is concerned presumably the contract is covered by insurance and if that is the case that might be a way out if he cannot perform?

by Peter Puck on Jan 30, 2012 11:18 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

but this thought went through my head:

Tavares played well and I could just picture Milbury thinking he had Toronto over a barrel and trading him at the game for something like a #1 and Kadri. The joke would have been on him and us, but Milbury dented this organization so badly, that’s what went through my head. Sad, isn’t it?

by martylnd on Jan 30, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It could be worse

We’re talking about Brian Burke here. He may have talked Milbury into a three and Komisarek.

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by mikb on Jan 30, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Definitely a two-part problem

Of course one of the issues was many of those trades helped bankrupt the prospect pipeline.

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by Dominik on Jan 30, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Gleason just signed a 4 year extension with Carolina

/updates wishlist

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

And before you think of it...

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Tim Gleason has a full no-trade clause in first two years of his four-year deal.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Full no-trade clause meaning even if all 3 parties agree to a trade?

No, that wouldn’t be in anyone’s interest, would it? You mean that Gleason can block any potential trade?

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 30, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

I think full no-trade means the player can block any trade he doesn’t like, but can be traded with his consent. A partial means he can block a trade, but there is a list of teams he can be traded to without his consent.

by afrosupreme on Jan 30, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Full no-trade

It means that there are no exceptions. Some players have a limited NTC in which they must specify at least X teams they can be traded to – in effect, pre-approval to waive the clause in the case of any of those teams. Full NTC means that he cannot be dealt without his consent to anyone.

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by mikb on Jan 30, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I concur

Even with an NTC a player can be moved. He just has to consent. Pretty much it’s what’s called “The DiBiase Theory”, where everyone has a price.

by martylnd on Jan 30, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Your wishlist

will get shorter and shorter coming July 1st :(

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by Francesca on Jan 30, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's good news

It raises the price on our guys. Less supply, equal demand is higher prices. I like it.

by martylnd on Jan 30, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

How can that be good?

There’s not much market for Mottau, Eaton, Staios and Jurcina anyway; and the Islanders need a top 4D, badly. A limited and expensive FA D-pool is not in the Isles’ interest.

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by Francesca on Jan 30, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Because we're not buying at the deadline

We’re sellers.

In the off-season we will be able to buy, but the market will sort itself out. Right now we can move some junk at slightly inflated prices and then make free-agent decisions (or more likely, trades) as the market goes to normal.

by martylnd on Jan 30, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I wholeheartedly disagree

The demand is high for top 4D, not bottom pairings.
As for the market, it will not go to normal, it will dry up like last year: have you seen what Ehrhoff and Wisniewski got?

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by Francesca on Jan 30, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Define nomral
“will not go to normal”

If normal is outrageous term, with limited movement and overpriced then it will be normal.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 30, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

With normal I mean price=value

You certainly have a point. Outrageously overpriced is the new normal.

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by Francesca on Jan 30, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Call-ups

Katie Strang @KatieStrangESPN
#Isles recall Kevin Poulin and Rhett Rakhshani; Marty Reasoner placed on injured reserve retroactive to Jan 6

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

Both

really deserves it. Hope Ullström gets called up soon as well.

by DavidSweden on Jan 30, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Rakh on a line

With Bailey and Martin… Drool…

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by Mark D on Jan 30, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

yes

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Tavares will meet the team in Carolina tonight, so Rolston is skating with Moulson and Okposo while Rakhshani joins Bailey and Martin

Now just have to wash the Rolston off of MM and KO.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

In that case,

…is there a chance that Rakshani or Martin is holding Rolston’s spot? Please no.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 30, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I figure this is like Rolston's last meal

And by figure I mean hope, of course.

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by Dominik on Jan 30, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sigh, what I feel like

Is that Wallace will be a healthy scratch as well as Poulin and Rakh will be on the 4th line with pandolfo and Niño while Rolston continues to shoot Bailey’s passes from 145 degree angles.

The thing here is, no matter what they do, I won’t feel like they went far enough. I mean, let’s say the line is MMa/JB/RR, the 4th line staying NN/JP/TW is still stupid.

I’m just thinking they are going to be working five game auditions for the rest of the season trying to individually evaluate guys without trying to see how chemistry will work throughout the lineup…and trying not to screw up BPT’s streak too badly.

Honestly, I wish Resoner was healthy right now, because things could look like.

MM/JT/KO
MG/FN/PAP
DU/JB/RR
MMa/MR/NN

And you could roll those with probably very little drop off…except when Eaton/Jurcina is on the ice.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 3:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd actually not mind if Wallace was a healthy scratch

Drop Rolston down there and see what he does, since despite his diminished state he should be better than Where Wallace At. I like Wallace’s effort just fine but there’s just not a lot of sustainable capacity there.

Or let them take turns and see who can do it better.

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by Dominik on Jan 30, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree on Wallace's upside

but again, role for role, I think I’d rather have Wallace’s 4 hits and gruntwork for 9 minutes than Rolston shooting it wide and missed defensive assignments.

It’s really not even an argument worth having though…again, if you’re relying on the 4th line, you’re doing it wrong.

I just think I’m ready to roll four if there isn’t going to be some truculence on that line.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 30, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm so ready to roll four

Your dream of (functional) Nino and (guy we thought we signed) Reasoner would be good to see. I figure at this point, the current fourth still has plenty of trouble so maybe Rolston helps it more than Wallace.

Of course at this point all three non-JT lines have their share of trouble.

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by Dominik on Jan 30, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Uhm... WOW

I picture KO and Matty going to Capuano and asking, “Coach, is it all right if just this once Butchie laces ’em up and skates with us in practice? Please?”

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