Islanders 4*, Hurricanes 3 (*SO): Near-Disaster Averted
It wasn't pretty but it worked. The Islanders played poorly enough in the second period -- and had a crucial sequence of errors late in the third -- to nearly lose this one in regulation.
But then with 90 seconds left the cavalry came to the rescue, with the first line and Travis Hamonic and Mark Streit all key to a Kyle Okposo goal set up by yet another John Tavares "aww sick, that's what he do" moment.
I'm starting to lose count of those.
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Okposo's goal tied it at 3-3, neither side converted their ample overtime opportunities (OT shots: 6-3 for the NYI), and the NHL's breakaway contest went to Evgeni Nabokov (two SO saves) and P.A. Parenteau (speed move) and Frans Nielsen (you know which one). The shootout point goes to the Isles.
Jussi Jokinen was the only one to convert for the Hurricanes, and hopefully his Forsberg move -- which Nabokov almost stopped -- didn't strain Nabby's groin. With Al Montoya still back on Long Island, Nabby and his 37 saves tonight are needed.
The result means avoiding disaster and instead logging a happy start to 2012, and a modest three-game win streak. It sure helps that their shootout luck has evened out in the past couple of weeks.
The Narrative
Despite playing a mess of a second period, the Islanders were in position to grab a win or at least force overtime with under five minutes left in regulation, when it all appeared to go down the toilet.
With Travis Hamonic and Brian Rolston each battling men in the corner to Evgeni Nabokov's right, Rolston lost his battle enabling Chad LaRose to waltz in front of the net, where Milan Jurcina, positioned but futile, took a sweep with his stick that got nothing but ice. Might expect a save from Nabokov there, but hard to fault him after the errors that preceded it.
Thankfully the first line responded with determination not to let this game go down that way, with Tavares leading the way.
And actually, rewinding to the beginning, the Islanders started alright, with Matt Martin drawing Bryan Allen into a semi-Eager penalty that the Islanders quickly converted. Matt Moulson scored -- per Hornick, the sixth time he's scored the game's first goal this season -- off a sweet 1-2 pass play from Nielsen to Tavares. That didn't last, however, as P.A. Parenteau lost a defensive zone faceoff to Tim Brent and Anthony Stewart tipped in the point shot just 31 seconds after Moulson's goal.
Horrible miscommunication between Evgeni Nabokov and Andrew MacDonald behind the net. Both are to blame, really, as neither took control of the situation and it was an easy dunk into an empty net for Brandon Sutter.
Not long after that gaffe, Frans Nielsen made a risky own-zone, cross-ice pass from the corner for P.A. Parenteau that was picked off, requiring a good glove save of Nabokov.
But just as Nabokov bailed out Nielsen there, Nielsen bailed out Nabby's gaffe in a way when he tied the game on a third period powerplay: After working the puck back to the point he went to the net for the easy rebound of Mark Streit's point shot. The Streit shot actually went wide on the opposite side of the net and caromed to Nielsen, whose net opening was as wide as Sutter's.
From that point at 2-2 with plenty of time left, it looked like a new game with a new chance to win ... but as it turned out, there was that final heart attack and resurrection yet to come.
Game Highlights
Notes
Seems like Matt Martin is starting to command that little bit of space that comes with a player who you (or, the opposition) thinks might physically hurt you but probably won't damage you with the puck. Some of the goals he's created this year have come from him fishing the puck out of the corner or behind the net and been given a little too much respect, and it nearly happened again tonight when he retrieved the puck in the corner unaccompanied, then swung around for a 50/50 wraparound or pass for Josh Bailey at the top of the crease.
A little fourth-line threat: Marty Reasoner sprang Nino Niederreiter for a nice little partial breakaway late in the second, forcing a decent glove save out of Cam Ward. The "partial" was Nino had to split the defense, who were sprawling and ensured he only had the shooting option -- and not a deke -- which is of course not a bad option for him.
Soothing audio bliss: Win, lose or shootout, it's always fun to hear Jiggs McDonald call the game.
Almost: It's funny, the Isles were sloppy and hardly in control for most of the second period, but John Tavares nearly erased the deficit with one phone booth move. You could say Jamie McBain was brilliant to stand his ground, or you could say he was lucky his right skate was there for the puck to slip off the string attached to Tavares' stick. Either way, that was inches away from another highlight reel goal.
Relief: The thrilled exhalation from Okposo on the tying goal was gratifying. A little bit of collective relief and satisfaction after they fixed what their teammates screwed up.
Vision of Johnny T.: It was huge first the pressure and poise that Streit and then Hamonic used to keep the puck in and the pressure on, but that tying goal was yet another instance of Tavares drawing attention to the point that a guy like Okposo was left open in a quiet place. A sweet low pass across the grain from Tavares found an open Okposo, who dropped to one knee to make sure. Nice.
Captain Confidence: A little glimpse of the old Streit in OT too, confidently deking his man at the point to buy a clearer shot from closer range. Tavares nearly did something with the rebound, but no dice.
Mottau, DiPietro Don't Play, Still Hurt: If you missed it on da Twitter, surely Arthur Staple of Newsday will have more. But he tweeted that both Mike Mottau and Rick DiPietro were sent home injured (both did not play ... DiPietro is actually still on IR) and the Islanders will call up a seventh defeenseman for the Western swing. Because this is not an emergency situation (they still have six healthy bodies), it's probably not Dylan Reese unless they're ready to make a more lasting blueline move, since once recalled, Reese couldn't be returned without clearing waivers.
Never a dull day.
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I am so happy!
They won a game even when they played poorly against a team thats doing even worse than they are! YES! Thats what teams are SUPPOSED to do!
This team is on a legit winning streak now! :)
JT is amazing. I watch him and find myself constantly telling his image on my TV “We love you! WE LOVE YOU!”
Special teams are looking GREAT lately.
Fransie is so dependable in the SO, how great is it to have a guy that when he DOESNT score its a shock? We are very lucky to have that.
And Streit had a good game! Seriously! :D
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
Your post oozes positivity
It made me smile. :)
by Strong Island Thuggery on Jan 3, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes!
Everybody – take a deep breath and thank Bossy that we have someone who will soon be one of our franchise’s great players playing on our team every night. What a freaking joy to watch!
Being born in New York and rooting for the Islanders, Jets, and Mets. Yeah, I know.
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by CharlieIsles on Jan 4, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sometimes there is justice
No one works harder each shift than both Tavares and Hamonic, and it was fitting and deserved that both assisted on that game tying goal. It does not happen without Hamonic miraculously keeping the puck in the zone, and JT threading a no look. These two guys are the franchise.
The will to win.
Hope its catching, like a virus.
by JackandAce on Jan 4, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Give Matt Moulson credit on the thrid goal even with no assist.
He did a nice job backing into the crease so that Ward had to remain deep in the net and he drew the defender so JT could slide that pass across to KO. IF he doesn’t make that subtle move the the net, there is no space for JT to operate and no passing lane.
True, true
Moulson is turning into that guy who you plug into the lineup and you get 30 goals. And you can count on it. What a pick up.
No doubt
It’s funny, I was trying to sum up that goal quickly and credit everyone, then realized I could go on and on about everything everyone did right.
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by mikb on Jan 4, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Now that is excellent
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Key Point
Is that they pulled off a W, while not playing their best all-around 60-min game. That’s something that’s been missing from this squad, figuring out how to eke out a win when all cylinders aren’t firing. Figuring out how to win when you’re not having your best night represents a key step in the development of this group.
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 4, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I DON"T care about this win...................
I’m just looking to move up in the FIG standings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(JK)
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
who moved my grabner
he was invisible. must be hurt. Amac too—his compete level stunk (1 handing it in the corner around 3 min left in 3rd) —i think he must be still hurt too. Big dropoff from both, and we need them. Hamonic is saving Amac.
Grabner was moved up to the Neilsen-Parentaeu line though
Rolston and Grabner were switched at one point in this game.
I thought Bailey competed very well tonight kept a lot of shifts alive with some toughness along the boards.
Good Stuff from Bailey.
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"Rolston lost his battle enabling Chad LaRose to waltz in front of the net"
not to mention he was also the one who gave the puck up with a weak clearing effort too!
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agreed
liked what i saw from bailey…if strome pansout, bailey maybe one of the best 3rd line centres in the near…and cizikas as the future 4th line centre…that was a slick move and nice shot on net by bails towards the end of regulation.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 3, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Bails had 4 shots on net, last night...
Thats progress…
Bailey
Every game we keep hearing how much Bailey is improving.
Yesterday I said that all of that improvement equals 1 goal and 3 assists in 10 games.
Its now 1 goal and 2 assists in the last 10 games.
It seems to me we should be saying “Bailey, former first round draft pick, has 1 goal and 2 assists in the last 10 games. Boy, is he in a slump.”
Instead we say “Good stuff from Bailey.”
So my question is, when do you think we can expect all that improvement to translate into points?
When he plays with wings
who can put the puck in the net consistently. I’ve been a pretty good Bailey basher for some time, but he is doing everything right right now. It will come. I don’t expect 80 point seasons, but he is looking like he can be a 50-60 point guy with the right linemates and play some defensively responsible minutes.
This is an extended period of “Flash of Bailey” (without the usual points), but he is noticeable just about every game now…and when he’s not scoring, it’s because of defensive hustle, hitting or passing. The growth in the diversity of his game is impressive…and he’s still got a couple of years before his peak years start.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 4, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it is what you are using as your measuring stick
if every single player had their projection or abilitiy rated by every single team locked in stone as it were during the date of their draft, over half the players in the league would be a bust, even more who never made it. Even at 9th, Bailey was still a bit of an overdraft, not much but a bit. I think Bailey was sellected in part b/c he was considered a safe pick, ceiling being 2nd line centre, basement bottom six forward. In reality, it is not realisitic to assume any top 10 pick who doesn’t become a top 6 forward is a bust. Bailey is still ahead of Frans Neilson at his current age, and if Bailey does pan out as a very good third line centre, that is not a bust, unless over half the league is also considered a bust. Also, given Bailey’s age, a successful third line centre at his age could very well some day be a 2nd line centre. Too often we forget how young Bailey is.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 4, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Never said he was a total bust
He is too young to say that. And it always seems I have to add a disclaimer that I do not want him demoted or traded for a bag of popcorn.
But he is in his 4th year. If I remember right, he was selected for his offensive skills, particularly his passing.
It seems to me that it would have been reasonable to expect a number 9 to have made his wings better, rather than have to wait for good wings to make him better.
But if 1 goal and 2 assists is improvement, whats a decline look like?
In fairness
you’re not looking to necessarily put him with Perry and Ovechkin here…the only 20 goal scorer he’s ever played with is Comeau…who also happens to be pretty much the only consistent linemate he’s had.
Even since Comeau has left, it’s not like he’s really had consistent linemates. He’s had Wallace, Rolston, Grabner, Ullstrom…and not even consistently. So that’s not a real bunker crop of offense.
I’d like to see what he can do once line combos are settled a bit…say perhaps with Martin and Grabner or Ullstrom and Martin etc. Again, he has looked pretty good. Note also that none of those guys are really known for their passing either.
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I think he's looked best with Ullstrom
The play they worked for Ullstrom’s first NHL goal was a thing of beauty.
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I think he looked good with Ulstrom
given the extra grinder-edge he brings. Bailey needs a guy like that to open up some space for him
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
Ullstrom seems to have real chemistry with Bailey. The did in BP as well with Rahk on the right side. Bailey also seemed very excited when Ullstrom was called up, for good reason.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I also say he has looked better
I just would like to know when that will translate into points, since second and third line scoring (or lack thereof) is possibly our number one problem.
I hope he gets a couple goals next game.
Its becoming imperative that he (or someone else) does so.
Sure
Here’s what I think needs to happen. You need to get Grabner and Nielsen back together and focused on defense with a reasonable facsimile of what Okposo brought to the table (Nino? Ullstrom?). Grabner will get his chances from there anyway. Then you have to empty the tank on surrounding Bailey with the best offensive options on the team not named JT/MM/KO and stick with it for a while.
Honestly, a Martin/Bailey/Parenteau or Ullstrom/Bailey/Parenteau line doesn’t sound too bad in my opinion.
And really, what needs to happen most is getting Rolston out of the top nine so that these younger guys can develop some chemistry. He’s not going to get points being Rolston or Wallace’s center and he’s never going to be a huge goal scorer…he needs to be around guys that will shoot.
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Replace Rolston with Haley
Just trying to ruin your day!
Well, that would probably work
since I think that offense and defense would be well covered throughout the lineup…leaving him on the 4th with Wallace and Reasoner. Also, that could possibly leave us with giving the 4th line about 7-10 a night without much of a scare.
Again, I love Haley!
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I notice the fat old guy in row 12 section 313 more than i notice reasoner
I’d rather have Dom or TMC as the 4th line center than that clown.
And this coming from the guy who likes most players who play on my teams that at least give their best effort.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 4, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Im more of an agitator than a checker.
Just for the record.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
We need a pest
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 4, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I like your Martin\Bailey\PAP line, I posted that very combo on another thread yesterday
Martin provides room and Bailey finally gets to play with a top six forward.
i'd like to see
MM — JT — Pap
Grabs — Frans — KO
Ullstrom — Bailey — Martin/Nino
the first two lines work well together…why not go with a kid line as the 3rd line? in my mind, Rolston is clearly not a top 9 forward on the Isles. Injured or not, Ullstrom is better, and so is Martin, and so are Bailey and the top 6 forwards.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 4, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Bailey's a fun puzzle to watch for me
I just would like to know when that will translate into points, since second and third line scoring (or lack thereof) is possibly our number one problem.
Don’t know the answer there — when I see “progress” with Bailey I see mostly smarter decisions with the puck and all-around play, which is actually what I always thought he was drafted for.
As far as offense, the wingers point is important, but so is simple opportunity/usage. Keep in mind he’s still the third option on a team that relies very heavily on throwing its star out there as much as possible followed by the Nielsen line. I’d imagine his production will bump up when he has better teammates in general (looking specifically at the blueline) and if/when he gets more PP time via the Islanders actually getting more than 2-3 powerplays per game.
He doesn’t drive play, but he also isn’t surrounded by a team that is able to drive play very often. Chicken and egg, and maybe when the Isles have better players we’ll learn where Bailey ultimately fits.
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I think Bailey was supposed to have been one of those "better players"
And the reason that he is the third option is that in 3 1/2 years he has proved to be no better than that. JT is relied on because other centers have not picked up the mantle.
It just seems that we always are waiting for something else to make him a better player (wings, pp’s, dmen).
I think he was supposed to be a 2nd-line center
Or even a Jordan Staal type (though note, Staal was controversially selected much higher).
I’m always waiting, yes, but in part that’s because he’s 22 and has had an odd road, partly his fault and partly the Isles’ fault. Regardless, for the most part only the really special players distinguish themselves by that age, and he’s certainly not special. But might end up being quite useful.
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I think he would rack up assists if he had a sniper like Moulson on his line...
I believe he is a player with special skills and he can be a special player but he is not afforded the minutes or the line mates to take advantage of his skill set…I still hold out hope that he is a 2nd line center on a very good team..
Bailey has never really had decent wingers
can’t fault him for that. I could play wing with Bailey and I am sure I would look better, but really, I would say Ullstrom looked best with Bailey. The kid’s game has been improving all around, and 4th year or not, he shouldn’t have even been in NHL most of those years. Bailey is an NHL player now, that he has proven. where he will end up, is the unknown…but he is improving all around.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
You can see that his vision is getting up to NHL speed… his skating (balance) and hands (accuracy/dangle) are getting there as well.
A consistent line of Ullstrom-Bailey-Parentau should prove to be a nice second line… with grabs-nielsen-martin finishing up the season as a good third checking line and PK specialists. Grabner may not be finishing at the net at his rookie pace, but man can he be a life saver when it comes to backchecking.
Those are two important spots (nielsen/Parentau) to be challenged by the incoming 20+ year olds. It will be interesting how those assets are played over the next 7-9 months.
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If Ullstrom develops into a second liner
then damn, the future is bright on the Island.
I was just thinking about how Bailey looked best when he was with Ullstrom and would love either PAP or Martin on his wing. I can’t fault Bailey for his lack of offense when his only option is Rolston throwing the puck around the boards every time he’s in the neutral zone.
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AMac didnt look bad tonight, IMO.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 3, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's looked bad since coming back
But it could just be from seeing the defense without him. We seriously have two steals from him and Hamonic. If this isn’t even 100% AMac their a legit top 2 pair.
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thought that Amac had a rough night. he had some bad ice incidents, but he also made some bad decisions. I assume that a lot of that is raised expectations, but some of the pass/dump/skate decisions were poor, even for a rookie.
I can’t give you exact examples, but there were a few times while skating out of his own zone, with room to move, he forced passes that turned into nuetral zone turnovers. Those are things that Amac wasn’t doing last year, and i can’t attribute to health.
As pgat28 says above… I’d agree that he has improved lately, but he had a bad night last night.
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Tonight they found a way
Gotta do it. gotta get it done.
As good of a win as this was for the isles it could be an equally tough loss for CAR. Interesting to see how they respond after they let this one slip away. Pretty soon, some of these teams that are lower in the standings might start to look toward next season where the isls definitely are not.
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by FB4Real on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Interesting to see the next two meetings, too
When Carolina should have Skinner back.
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I'm looking forward
Have to say that I hadn’t followed Carolina at all this season, so not sure if the observations I made last night are correct, but I think I noticed some things that should enable the Isles to do well in the remaining matches against the Hurricanes.
I thought Carolina looked extremely vulnerable against the Isles’ skilled offense. Their D was sometimes backing off too much and the whole unit was pretty passive in their own zone. It also looked pretty extreme to me how much their forwards were collapsing most of the time. I got the feeling a skilled offense and some D who know how to get involved can certainly cause some damage against this team. Hamonic and Streit have shown how to do it and although the other Isles’ D are unlikely to follow suit it at least looks like bad pinches won’t be punished by this Carolina team. And JT and the others are too strong for them down low I feel. Also, I’m pretty surprised they matched Justin Faulk, a rookie defender with most of all a well-developed offensive game from what I know, against JT most of the night.
In sum, I think the Isles can play clearly better than last night and then have really good chances to exploit some of the weaknesses of this Carolina team.
And now Pitkanen is out with surgery (not just concussion)
I hadn’t seen Carolina hardly at all either, but I’d generally agree with your impressions from last night. I was disappointed they weren’t cashing in during the second period. But really even after the Isles gave up the late goal, I was more confident in their chances of mounting a tying effort again than any other point this season.
I don’t know, in the ambiguous realm of belief and confidence hopefully this one gives them a lift.
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Pitkanen is a big loss
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QUESTION:
DOES ANYTHING GOOD EVER HAPPEN WHEN GOALTENDERS PLAY THE PUCK?!?!?!?!?
SERIOUSLY…..Nabakov has a little bit of the RDP issue I think.
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It's more then a little DP issue. It's a big DP issue. He's been bad at playing the puck all season.
Very DP-esque in that respect.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
In DP's defense, he at least has ability to stick handle the puck as a goalie...
Nabby has absolutely no skill stick handling…He has no business even trying it…
i was gonna say the same thing
He’s actually worse than DP.
DP can actually get back there a make a strong pass….its the decision making that concerns you with DP.
The thing I dont understand is why coaches dont chastise these goalies for going back there more often.
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That's a weakness in Nabby's game
He’s not a great puck handler, even if he is aggressive playing the puck, so opposing teams try to put him in a position to handle the puck more frequently in the hopes he’ll do something zany with it.
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 4, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
he left it for AMac
Goalies do this a dozen times a game, and it’s pretty routine. AMac just overskated the puck and Nabby was forced to try to slap it away. A mess all around. The problem there is execution.
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Did Cappy finally notice Rolston sucks?
Not that there was much time left afterwards, but I don’t remember seeing Rolston on the ice after he played the puck backwards to an empty area instead of clearing the damned zone.
+Two points on an off night. Keep it going guys!
Rolston is at least off the 1st PP unit for good it seems.
1 step at a time I guess. And I think he did bench him partially, if not completely for that mistake(s) on the goal.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
but really, whose fault is it that 29 other teams felt Comeau had no trade value?
Comeau’s, and Comeau’s alone. I have no doubts Comeau was given plenty of opportunity on the Island, he had to go. It was public knowledge the Isles were trying to trade him, but no bites. No one willing to gamble on him for draft picks, prospects or players. Far better players than Comeau have been in the same boat. Of course, gambling on a guy like Comeau as a waiver wire pick up is a different story all together.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 4, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Comeau had no trade value
and Konopka sucks
can we move on to other subjects please?
by Cary K on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
How about that DiPietro guy?
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by Fabtraption on Jan 4, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Im with you Fab!
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by Russel Ginart on Jan 4, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
not quite
Rolston remained on for the ensuing faceoff/shift. The goal happened at the end of a very long shift for JT, KO and Jurcina (1:14). Streit and Moulson had gone off for Hamonic and Rolston. Bailey, Martin and MacDonald came on for the faceoff after the goal. It was Nielsen’s line then, followed by JT’s line with the equalizer and again Nielsen as well as JT to end regulation. As always, Rolston wasn’t used in OT.
So, I don’t think he was benched for that play there.
Also, I don’t think to play the puck backwards there was a bad play per se. Overall, Rolston might not contribute too much offensively, but in my opinion he’s done a very good job in terms of securing possession. He’d hang on to the puck well quite often to calm things down and allow his team mates to change or reset. And that surely was what he had in mind here. He wanted to avoid icing as well as a short clear where the puck would end up just outside the blue line without JT and the others getting off. So, I liked the idea – and the way he grabbed the puck out of the air and secured it was still a good play, just the execution of the backhand pass around the boards wasn’t good enough (though not deadly in the first place).
Anyway, yeah, he’d have had other options. He could have batted the puck out of the zone with his hand I guess and that would perhaps have been the best thing to do. Or then he’d shortly have had the chance to clear via the glass. But that wasn’t an easy play and carried the risk of going over the glass and getting penalized. And most importantly I think it’s just not his game. He likes to secure the puck and keep possession and again I think he does a pretty good job there overall and he does indeed help this team there. So, not surprising to me he isn’t going for that clear there in this situation.
At the end, definitely, what he wanted to do didn’t work out and you can blame him for that. But I think he did what suits him best and what he thought helped the team most in that situation. So, I’m not furious about it. A plan and the effort were there – mistakes happen.
by BenHasna on Jan 4, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that, given it was a long shift
First priority is to get the puck out and hope to start getting some fresh legs. Even an icing is ok, as it gives the guys 15 seconds to catch their breath. You can’t stop a puck clearing attempt and turn over the puck like that with tired guys on the ice and expect to not give up a scoring chance.
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 4, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Thats why I don't blame this on Juice...
He was probably exhausted at that point…
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by GreekIsles83 on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Ancient LHH Proverb:
When trying to be cool by putting a never before used plaque around your point, check the Preview first. Doh!!
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hear what you are saying, but everything you are saying are the reasons he should be on the 3rd line tops, and even arguably on the 4th line.
He just doesn’t make sense as a top 6 player. At his best he is a passenger/complimentary player on any line. He isn’t gonna directly create any offense aside from a rare scoring chance pass and a slap shot which he has lost a lot of accuracy with, leading to him should be used mostly in a checking role at best(and even then he’s not a real checking forward with his game/speed as it is) and giving someone else “scoring role” minutes with our top offensive players in the top 6. Rolston has turned into a player that deserves no more then 13min/gm of ice time.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Yeah, I don't generally disagree with that
But I don’t think he’s been used as a top-6 player lately at all. When they changed the lines a week ago they also changed their setup. From heavily riding two lines of top-6 players they went to a more balanced approach with one top line, a group of middle-6 forwards and a 4th line. Rolston’s among those middle-6 forwards of course and got 4th (against Calgary), 6th (Edmonton) and 5th (Carolina) most ice-time just among this group (thus, if you include the top line, 7th, 9th, 8th overall). He hasn’t been used more heavily lately than earlier in the season. Sure, being on a line with Nielsen and PA, he’s got a better opportunity to succeed and if I’m reading you correctly you’d prefer someone else there. But I don’t know who that would be. Who’s a better complimentary player on that line outside of Moulson, Okposo, Grabner and Martin? Again, if you feel Martin should get that opportunity, well, he’s getting roughly the same ice-time anyway and is having decent line mates, too.
Clearly, I still understand if you feel there’s no way Rolston should get that spot. But as said, it’s not a top-6 spot he’s been occupying there and in my opinion there’s (unfortunately) no one else on the roster who could do a better job there anyway.
However, what I’d just advocate for both the discussions about the line changes as well as certain plays Rolston makes, such as the one leading to Carolina’s goal the other night, is that we still try to grasp the thought processes and everything behind it. I think that way we could avoid turning every thread into “Rolston sucks”. Again, I know he does suck in certain areas, but some things have been blown out of proportion a little for my liking and I just fear it will get tiresome down the stretch because Rolston is almost certainly going to be around until the end of the season.
And maybe watching the game is more fun even if you don’t shout at him every time he shoots the puck from the blue line, but instead be happy he isn’t costing them games most of the nights. Because honestly, outside of that (debatable) mistake the other night, when had an error of Rolston led to a goal?
But again, that’s just how I look at him. I do understand he can be frustrating to watch, particularly on a team lacking secondary scoring anyway.
by BenHasna on Jan 5, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You are right. At least he isn't being a liability night in and night with his minutes.
It could definitely be worse. It’s probably the lack of production from him and his salary that rubs people the worong way. He doesn’t produce, but he doesn’t hurt us, he just does. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Of course I agree
is that we still try to grasp the thought processes and everything behind it. I think that way we could avoid turning every thread into "Rolston sucks". Again, I know he does suck in certain areas, but some things have been blown out of proportion
And how.
In general, I wish the focus were more on the possible thought processes behind decisions rather than straight to the scapewagon or the lionization.
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by Dominik on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hopes this sets a precendent for the new year-
WINNING! sure there were mistakes, but we won! hopefully we can grab the next four points on the road *pleas to hockey god
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The new shoulder patch for the second half

by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 4, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Rolston???
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 4, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Unbeaten
in three straight. I’ll take the bonus point, but since I don’t put much stock in OT/SO losses, I don’t put much into the wins either. Still a nice streak and hopefully they can pick up some more points out West.
Even with the playoffs a faded mirage, there’s a lot too look forward to for the rest of the year, starting with watching John Tavares continue to put his stamp on the league.
Yes, playoffs are a huge way away. But the wins are still sweet and the little accomplishments still feel goo!
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
GGGOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
by Strong Island Thuggery on Jan 3, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Goo!
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by isles732 on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fixed:

"I didn't come out of a cereal box." --Bob Dylan
by isles732 on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
:) Thanks
I don’t know how to do stuff like that
by Strong Island Thuggery on Jan 3, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
10pts shouldnt be that much....Its only 5 games...
But the Bettman loser points will make it more like 10 games…
Defeenseman
Maybe the extra e will help out? ;)
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by edavidmorris on Jan 3, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
(in case youre right)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 3, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jiggs is good luck
Every game I hear him, I feel like a kid again
by Strong Island Thuggery on Jan 3, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I love it, he is so old school.
And maybe its all in my head but I feel like the Isles have a decent record with Jiggs subbing, too.
I think he and Butchie sound good together, too.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 3, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Last season
he announced the game that started the second half run of wins. I clearly remember saying to my brother how he was good luck and “these kids are the start of a turn around”
by Strong Island Thuggery on Jan 3, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
He really seems to have the pulse of the Isles...
Even though he’s not here, calling games, all season…
Yeah, he reminds me of an old school radio guy
His voice is so smooth. I like Howie too, I know I’m the only one, but I like him.
I think i’m just happy with anybody who doesn’t have Pierre McGuire talking over there.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Howie's grown on me
It’s not really fair to compare him to Jiggs, because Jiggs is the gold standard: terrific on the play-by-play and works well with whomever is on the color mike, and he gets the added nostalgia boost. But Howie does a fine job.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 4, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Howie
At first it was hard because of “Matteau, Matteau, Matteau,” but maybe someday we’ll get “Mottau, Mottau, Mottau”?
When Mottau puts it into his own net?
Cause you know that day is coming.
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 4, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
I expect the intonation and body language to be completely different on that one.
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The thing about Howie
is he is pretty knowlegable, and he always ASKS instead of stating if he’s not sure on something. I like that. Too many guys blurt out stuff like we are all clueless and have no idea what they said was wrong.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 4, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he always ASKS instead of stating if he’s not sure on something. I like that.
I’m not a big Howie fan, but I do like that quite a bit. Pompous certainty, or Pierre McGuire (but I repeat myself), is a turnoff.
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I like Howie but he was so much better with "The Jaff"...
Jaffe knew when to STFU and allow Howie to call the play by play…Butchie talks over the play…That is so annoying…It works in baseball because its a slow paced sport…This is hockey, things happen fast, and the play by play guy can’t be having conversations through out…
oy
Maybe the extra e will help out? ;)
Gah, thanks as always (sincerely).
Had to run after the game. Not often the Isles and my team win on the same night!
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Not much to add except
Tavares is a beast.
Nielsen is automatic.
No one quit.
Wins are good.
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by PGI on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Excellent if this will be the trend (From Staple/Newsday)
Pandolfo signed a one-year deal after coming to camp on a tryout. Missing nearly half the season for a role player means there’s nothing assured once he’s healthy. “He’s a true pro, he knows the situation,” coach Jack Capuano said.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 11:13 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I sure as hell hope so, I think using him as a pk specialist/4th liner like we have was overboard.
Not to go all numbers guy on everyone, but corsi says he should be a healthy scratch, if not in the ahl right now, especially when you take that injury into account. A little ahl stint will be good for him, and possibly even help some ahl kids.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Yep
it’s a one-way contract…take the money and play where you’re asked.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Numbers
I’m not saying he’s been great, but he also had by far the lowest O-zone faceoffs of anyone on the team. So his low Corsi demands more context there.
People should still remember that when they “don’t notice” guys like that, it’s sometimes in part because they’re never put in position to be noticed.
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I saw that, but his quality of competition(relative) is still stupid low. It's not like he's facing top 9 competition in a more defensive(not extreme though) role.
He still by all means doesn’t belong in the nhl, especially when you take this injury account. Make him earn his spot back from ahl success or injuries.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Definitely low qual comp
Just saying when you start in your zone that much, you have to be special (or Frans) to come out with a decent Corsi.
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Ask that question...
when Ullstrom is back and cappy challenges Garth to bring rhett up. In that trio, Rolston has got to go. Both of those guys have an NHL FUTURE… where as Brian rolston, however good he is perceived to be, will be sipping boat drinks next year… on the SS THANK YOU DOUG WEIGHT.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
I eagerly look forward to Ullstrom's return to Bailey's wing
Moulson-Tavares-Okposo
Grabner-Nielsen-Parenteau
Ullstrom-Bailey-Martin
Rolston-Reasoner-Nino
Looks like Nino is getting the short shrift if he’s lined up with two fogies, but if he shines I’d switch him with Martin.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 4, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Strome hits the post with about a minute left in the WJC game
he’s going to fit right in with the Isles
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
by ArsenalLI on Jan 3, 2012 11:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Postrome and Okposto! A deadly post beating duo.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Jan 3, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just thinking about it
Okposo managed to hit the back of the net with time running down in the game, yet Strome hit the post in a similar situation. Maybe some bizarre magical transitive powers are at work here, where Okposto has transferred his slump to Strome.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
Ryan Callahan
would do nicely
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 4, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
Love a good Postrome on rye. Little mustard, that’s real good.
by afrosupreme on Jan 4, 2012 7:06 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
At least
he leads the plus minus statistics in the entire tournament.
Johan Sundström had huge assist on Swedens 2-2 goal.
I noticed that
Very nice.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
is what Butch said right?
Fransy is the best player ever in the history of the shootout stat wise?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:48 PM EST reply actions
Yes
highest conversion % of any player over 20 attempts. You have to scroll down a bit because this is ordered by percentage, but there are a lot of fuys in front of him with less than 20 attempts.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not sure if you are kidding around but....
I googled NHL shootout stats ( http://www.nhl.com/ice/shootoutstats.htm ) and it looks like ol’ Butchie is off a bit. Also looks like Lou sold his soul for the upper hand in the shootout too.
by Strong Island Thuggery on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
That's just this year
which I think he’s 2 for 4…a bit off his lifetime almost 60%. Butch is on, check the above link.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 4, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
oh word
thanks for clarifying. I have been staring at the table for about 10 minutes straight trying to figure that out hahaha
by Strong Island Thuggery on Jan 4, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
"On the shelf with the cat toys"
The only bit of the game I got to see tonight was that call by Butchie. I can sleep happy now.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Sort of oddly brilliant - is this a real turn of phrase or an extreme Butchism?
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
I've heard
“Top shelf where momma keeps the cookies”, but not that. Maybe Butch and wife have pets instead of children?
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i hear "top shelf where they keep the peanut butter"
a lot
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Canada hates cookies!!!!
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Maybe Butch is a crazy cat lady at heart
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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the old Isles lose this game
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 PM EST reply actions
Oh man
Strome hit that post, put his arms up and started running off celebrating. Can’t do that kiddo.
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Well, ya can't fault him for his enthusiasm, anyway!
And as to any sort of transference of the post monkey from Okie to Strome’s back, let’s just hope that it’s a very, VERY short condition!
‘Post monkey’……HMMMMMM; LIKE that……I reserve all rights:P LOL
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Gotta stop giving up goals off the draw
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
Missed the first 2 periods
-Hamonic was an animal in the 3rd and Ot
-Streit with the nice fake and skate around, looking like Good Streit there
-It seems to me JT has had more room to operate since the KO move, is there a direct correlation, not sure
-JT is ridonkulous
-Bailey looked very aggressive in the offensive zone
-Rolston then the Jurcina hideous whiff and screen…yecch
-Reasoner mad a few nice D plays, nice pass to Nino
-There was one shift w Martin where they cycled the puck down low along the boards for about 20 seconds, gritty and fantastic
YES
-It seems to me JT has had more room to operate since the KO move, is there a direct correlation, not sure
I think there is a direct correlation. Okposo has more of a 2nd or 3rd line type game (physical, hard checking, I’ll out work you type game). PAP seems to be a more playmaking/puck possession type and can work better with different types of other skill sets.
Every line needs a physical element IMO….Okposo brings that to the 1st line. I think that PAP would need a more physical guy to go with him as well.
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I think that KO add allot to the 1st line...
He is the guy that can dig out those pucks so JT and Moulson can go to work…All 3 guys on the top line compliment each other which results in nice tic tac toe plays….
The KO move
One factor in “more room” might be having JT in charge of carrying the puck more often.
We all (I think) recognize PAP is puck carrier/possession guy. It’s almost like he carried some of that load while JT apprenticed. But now that JT is growing up, I’m personally intrigued to see PAP try to take that attribute to other lines and re-test the JT-KO combo under the new reality.
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by Dominik on Jan 4, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed on MMartin as well
If I was forced to name the 5 best Islanders this year I think MMartin is in there.
1 JT
2. Hamonic
3. MMoulson
4. PAP
5. Streit/MMartin/A Goalie Maybe
MMartin is in the conversation. He is easily the most improved (or the guy who has the most encouraging progress) from last year to this year.
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by FB4Real on Jan 4, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"-Hamonic was an animal in the 3rd and Ot"
Yes!! 2 straight times in his own end he pushed his man off the puck and into the boards behind the net.
+ JT – Not much to say except we are now watching the coming out party of one of the leagues best young players and he seems determined to change the culture of this team. I called my friend last night who watches Isles games with me and told him:
“I think I just saw JT play his best game ever.”
“How many goals did he have?”
“None.” hahahaha.
Nabby looks real good, and as much as I love Toyota, I wouldn’t mind seeing Nabby win the job.
I surely don’t think they played their best game, and the second period was awful, but I did like the effort in the first and third, and good to see them come from behind, and win a shootout.
does anybody else get the feeling we are watching the 2 best Isles players (JT and Hammer) in many, many years?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 4, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I've been thinking of that last question for a while
Of when the last time the Islanders had a guy with that “get-up-out-of-your-seat” ability that Tavares has. Palffy is the first guy to come to mind. The answer is probably Tim Connolly could dangle all day, but he never scored any goals. I always said, even if Connolly could score 20 in a season, they’d probably be the most spectacular 20 goals you’d ever see.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
....

"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 4, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
two best Isles since Bossy and Potvin, I think
Or at the very least, since Turgeon and K Jonsson.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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And Milbury ain't here to trade them.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
hahahahahaha
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Thank god
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Palffy?
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by edavidmorris on Jan 4, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
And dare I say it
JT has a bit of Jeter in him (at least its looking like that). You know, your best player also being your hardest worker and most committed to the game, shift after shift.
Now all he has to do is add important playoff goals to his resume.
Great mental image
In same tone as 40th anniversary commercial: “Get to your tri-state Ford dealer today.”
Though I think he could make some sick passes of folks’ car keys through crowds and around tires and stuff. Ain’t a damned thing the Service Department can do to stop him. That what he do.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 4, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You think he gets as many chicks as Jeter or is that impossible?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Now you must tell at least a couple. It's not right to tease us like this :-).
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I don't think the Islanders as a team
could pull as many girls as Jeter.
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Murderer's row
Batting one two and three in that lineup
1. Jeter
2. Chamberlain
3. Jimi Hendrix
I dont know...
The Isles players have a pretty nice collection of admirers.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I belive you are one of them TMC!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 4, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
heh. With rare exception, Im more about the administration/coaches/scouts. :)
And Im up for having annual 90s/00s team tribute nights at NVMC.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 4, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't mind seeing Reese up for the remainder of the season, really
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
Observations from the game
1. The RBC Center is a great place to catch a casual game in the middle of the week. The lower bowl offers NO LINES for beer and food(and a pretty good selection of both), no puddles in the men’s room and a pretty good Islander presense.
2. Moulson-JT-Okposo should be the number one line for a long long time. As much as I like parentau’s play, he’s quite sloppy. Several times he put the puck in bad spots when trying to clear, or when posession was not challenged in the offensive zone. He has done that pretty consistently through his career with the Islanders. Okposo 2.0 doesn’t do that with any consistency, and their offensive zone time with two possession machines seems to have increased three fold for that line. Of course, that observation is subject to change when O2.0 is challenged by a better team.
3. Amac had a terrible game. Not just the situation with Nabby that led to a goal… but all night. He skated back to the bench several times with a look of disgust… mostly because of bad decisions.
4. Carolina is a bad team, playing bad hockey. The isles looked pretty good, but a better team would have taken advantage of the huge number of mistakes they made. Also, a better team than the Isles would have won this game 7-1. Yeah.. they’re that bad. An Islander fan in the seats I had the last time in carolina (right behind the canes’ bench) summed it up with a sign that read, “THE BATTLE FOR 27TH PLACE”. Yep.. this wasn’t a battle for a playoff spot, it was the battle for a lottery pick… and I see no reason to get overly excited about the win… it’s much better than a loss… but I’m going to reserve judgement until they can beat their division and better conference foes.
5. Brian Rolston. I tried to watch him all night to get a more objective sense of what he brings almost 40 games deep. I have to say that i was pleasantly surprised early. Mainly because he was taken off the PP and he seemed to do the little things better than in my previous LIVE observations. In the second period that started to unravel… and by the third, this happened:
The second shift of the third period, and Bailey’s line skates out after a break in the action. Rolston goes to the faceoff circle, and looks bewildered. I tell my buddy, “Grabner looked like the groin was giving him trouble, I wonder if he’s still in the room…” and I look at the bench. Grabner is there, and [I’m not a lip reader by trade, but I’m close enough to see] Cappy yelling at Allen, “Who the **** told that ***hole to go out there?” I wasn’t sure about it until there was a chance to dump and change a few seconds later, and Rolston came back to the bench mid shift to let grabs finish it… and he got an earful while Weight smirked. That’s something i don’t want to see from a guy brought in to “teach a young team how to win”
Also, the third goal was basically set up by bad positioning along the boards that let LaRose get away with enough space to make Jurcina look bad (not overly difficult to do, but when your check is watching you from the battle ground, it’s a lot easier).
He needs to be replaced by younger legs that give a shit.
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#5 is interesting
Both in the grabner groin and in what Cappy said.
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Question regarding the incident in your 5th point
In your opinion, do you think that reflects more on Cappy’s leadership, not really ‘commanding’ the troops in a sufficiently organized and disciplined manner, or is it more reflective of Rolston being a D-bag who does what he pleases?
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 4, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm partial to cappy...
so this is going to sound biased, because it is. A hockey coach turns the big wheels, but he’s a middle wheel. He has input to his roster, but he doesn’t control it. He has made some pretty good players out of moldable clay in the AHL and so far in the NHL.
But you can’t make dessert topping from a pile of crap.
Brian Rolston plays a certain way. he is not physically capable of doing what he did 5 years ago, and he doesn’t have the system support that comes under the SLEEPER HOLD Devils. His failures were well documented last year.
The incident, in my opinion, went down like this.
In the locker room:
Cappy(or Allen or Weight): Grabs isn’t going 100% right now and I like the matchups against Bailey. We may swap you guys around for a few shifts… I’ll let you know.
The first time bailey goes out there Rolston jumps the boards.
I don’t see that as a failure of Cappy’s leadership. I see that as somebody who is above the team. A vet that puts himself in higher regard than he really is. There is an article in THN where rolston states that he was brought in to teach the kids how to win. What he has taught them is how to overcome obstacles… BY BEING AN OBSTACLE.
If they wanted to teach the kids how to win, and the fans how to sleep through a game, they should have brought in Jacques Lemaire.
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To my admittedly untrained eye...
Cappy seems to me less a detailed strategist who advocates a specific system (not necessarily a trap, offensive teams can employ effective systems as well), and more a general people manager. Do you you think maybe they could use a little more “x’s and o’s” behind the bench to complement this skill set? Or do you think the existing bench staff (Weight, Allen, Chynoweth) provides this?
I do agree on Rolston being Rolston, but in watching this team, sometimes they seem a little disorganized on the ice. Not sure whether that’s the limitations of this group of players (it’s hard when you only reach the cap floor due to players no longer in the NHL – you could argue RDP is in that group as well), or whether it’s from a lack of structure. But then again, maybe Gordon was too much structure, not enough “heart and soul”.
Not necessarily advocating one way or the other, but I think it’s an interesting question.
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
HE ADJUSTS
We see that more now than we have in the previous years. I think Allen and Chynoweth not only bring the X’s and O’s… but are charged with being AHL coaches at the same time. I find it funny that a lot of folks here charge Cappy with being an AHL coach… what the hell do you want him to be with an AHL roster.
I can understand the observations of “lacking structure”, but the ability to allow cohesion while working out the creativity of the game has helped this team grow. We saw that last year. When it has called for it, they have been able to clog up the neutral zone, they have pressed with an aggressive forecheck, and they have stepped it up physically.
that is something that Nolan had, and Gordon lacked. In gordon’s defense, he was just trying to get all the pegs into the same hole, and he had a lot of weak pegs that broke when forced into the oddly shaped hole.
I’m not against searching for a coach to get them to the “next level”, but I really think cappy fits this team right now… especially in the spin department.
Can you imagine what torts would be like at pressers if he was forced to have Brian Rolston on the bench every game. SEE AVERY SITUATION. When cappy gets that kind of power he will be a better coach. I bet he’d like to see Reese in the mix… but reese doesn’t have the cap hit, or the TEAM USA connections that Eaton and Mottau have.
This is why ted Nolan isn’t behind the bench. Pressers would be a lot different when you were being choked with CAP/BUDGET players rather than HOCKEY PLAYERS.
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Do you think when the time comes (only Bossy knows when)
when the roster is deeper, they’d be better off with a guy like Cappy with more power/influence to shape his roster, or bringing in a “next level” coach?
Not really an issue for right now, but personally I’m not sure that he has that “next level” capability. But I think you point out correctly that he does not have full NHL roster with which to play, so it’s kind of hard to judge.
I guess if I had the ability to make such determinations beyond merely speculating I’d be making the big bucks as a GM somewhere.
But one thing I glean from your last post, is you point out that folks here call him “an AHL coach”, while also pointing out that he has an “AHL Roster”. Is it possible that Snowy brought Cappy in for this period, knowing that they would be essentially fielding an AHL-esque team, so why spend for an established coach when you can get a cheaper AHL coach to match? Again, really just speculation on my part.
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 4, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Just to clarify...
… I also like Cappy, but am thinking ahead to the “tough decisions” Dom and others reference when discussing a rebuild. When this team is ready to make it over the hump, whether or not Cappy is the right coach could potentially be one of those tough calls.
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 4, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I just assume Cappy will be replaced if/when they reach the next level
That’s not even a remark on his skills (which I think are debatable, though fine for this team right now). That’s just how it usually goes. I think Snow would much prefer a long-term marriage like he tried with Gordon, and may try with Capuano.
But history and fickle players shows guys like this are usually caretakers on the way up, until the next stall or crisis.
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I don't think HE knows yet...
Not really an issue for right now, but personally I’m not sure that he has that "next level" capability. But I think you point out correctly that he does not have full NHL roster with which to play, so it’s kind of hard to judge.
It’s hard to say where the team and staff will be this time next year. If they stall again, with an improved defense, you’d have to say they may need a different direction. But I do feel that they need the TEACHING coach that cappy seems to offer.
My biggest fear would be losing Chynoweth to a head coaching job somewhere else next year. He was the kind of defenseman this team needs and it is reflected in guys that he has been a part of shaping. Hell, even Jurcina has shed his “soft” label to some degree. It really shows in the play of Hamonic and Macdonald… and you’d like to think that Donovan and deHaan are playing to that middleweight grit, while being effective puck movers. It impresses mostly when applied to Hamonic’s size and strength… that’s where you eventually find Pronger and Chara type defensemen.
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Cappy yelling at Allen, "Who the **** told that ***hole to go out there?"
Man, I’d love to see video of that.
Speaking of Capuano and video, the NBC Sports Network (aka the artist formerly known as Versus), is airing on Thursday at 9 pm something called the Charlie Moore show and the guest is Capuano. i have no idea who Charlie Moore or what this show is about, but I also can’t remember the last time an Islanders coach was spotlighted without either a hiring or firing to announce.
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by PGI on Jan 4, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I watched the game this morning...
and you can clearly see the short shift by Rolston. But the shift chart does not back that up. The chart also has rolston playing with Bailey and martin most of the third. I remember seeing them out there together, because I commented that they put Grabs and Nielsen back together… the way it should be…
Maybe it was just my imagination… but i was 15 rows behind the islander bench… and keyed on the situation at the time. Who knows.
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I think it's safe to say Rolston thinks he's above the team
I tend not to believe everything i read, but I believe what JP said.
Although, maybe it’s because i don’t get to the Coli as much as most of you, but I never watched him while I was there. ;-)
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
not sure what you noticed there
I’ve just watched the whole sequence again – to me everything looks perfectly normal (though I of course didn’t see what happened on the bench).
But yeah, Grabner was with Nielsen and Parenteau the whole 3rd period – Rolston with Bailey and Martin. I guess that had been planned during the 2nd intermission and Rolston to be out there for that offensive-zone draw with Bailey and Martin was what they wanted all along. If not, it would have been pretty easy to replace him prior to that draw, no? Or they’d have gone back to the original combinations later in the 3rd – which they didn’t do. And his shift wasn’t all that short (38 seconds) and Bailey had come off for a change even prior to Rolston (Martin too went off just afterwards).
So, I really doubt there was much there. I guess the assignment was to let Bailey’s line take that offensive draw there and maybe get something on goal, but not stay out too long and instead get Nielsen’s line back into the game quickly.
I understand your agenda, heh, but unlike you and others who call him lazy or “find it safe to say Rolston thinks he’s above the team” I just don’t see these things. I watched him pretty closely last night, too, and I guessed you’d be pleasantly surprised. Because he seemed to care, he was skating pretty well and winning some battles along the boards. I know, he lost the important one at the end there, and that’s not what I want to see, but yeah, from what I can tell, he cares, though he might somtimes not bring a whole lot more. At least he drew a penalty last night.
by BenHasna on Jan 4, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Charlie Moore is the Mad Fisherman from BAWSTON!
He challenges stars to go on a 1 on 1 fishing competition against him…
Arent you one of the ones who has been ooh-ing and aah-ing about big mouth Torts?
He curses his players out constantly.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 4, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
WTF? I resent that.
why are you making stuff up? First of all I never oohed or ahhed about Torts…I said I would like to see emotion from the coach and I merely pointed out that Torts has that passion and his team is winning. I never said I want my coach calling the players assholes….Theres a difference…You hate when people make shit up about you…Goes both ways…
and I was talking about how Cappy just smirks when we get screwed by the refs...I want to see him stick up for his players...show them he cares...Telling them they are assholes does not do that...
Like when one of his stars gets cross checked in the head and then that player ends up getting sent in the box for diving and all you see is Cappy smirking….People around here like to believe what they want to believe…
If youre not one of the people who has been fawning over Torts, just say so. There is nothing to "resent" in someone asking you a frickin question.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
resent was a strong word to use...bad choice of words by me...
sorry for flying off the handle.
:) all good, KO
Thanks for clearing that up.
I seriously doubt thats what Cappy said, anyway.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 4, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
It does need to be said: Ward was a big part of what made this game difficult to win.....
(but certainly not the ONLY one!)
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 4, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
A lot less creepy than Mikey's post...
and more in line with my musical/hockey sensibilities.
Rhianna? Really? Different strokes…
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just the everyday back and forth...
of a lottery pick hockey team’s blog…
I wonder if you can put links in sarcasm font
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I went with the less creepy factor, it was goal of mine
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 4, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
CAR Attendance
The NHL.COM boxscore lists last night’s attendance as 13,828. The only way there were over 10K people at that game was if they had 3k crammed into Scotty McCreery’s box.
There were three women behind me talking about how easy it is to get tickets now. Wait until year 4 of their rebuild… or year 20 of abject failure.
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JP
Do you get to their games a lot, or just when Isles are in town? Just curious as to what the general tone is there, cause it seemed pretty quiet last night.
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by CharlieIsles on Jan 4, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Raleighed Back
Raleigh is about 2.5 hours away from me, so I usually limit my trips to islander games. But i was there for a Buff-Cane game when they won the cup.
It’s usually an enthusiastic crowd, but pumped up with the artificial noise and the Rick Flair “WOOO” videos. I find that stuff just gives me a headache.
The patrons that I’ve sat near have shown general hockey knowlege growth. Last night I sat in front of three women who were pretty funny, and seemed to know their stuff more than the standard puck bunnies. But to counter that, there was a couple next to me (originally from Hicksville) who’s female half read a book the entire game. NO SHIT!
They are going through the last place effect of a team with limited history in a non-hockey market… but it is a pretty cool place to watch a game… and i really like their team. Though i liked it with maurice more than I do muller. But give it time… and they were missing their best player. Skinner is a treat to watch.
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Is the gorilla (Tarzaan?) just as annoying in person as it comes across on TV?
Or does it just annoy me because it signifies the Isles getting scored on?
Reminds me of my mother at my games
there was a couple next to me (originally from Hicksville) who’s female half read a book the entire game.
Parent of Teammate: {nudges my mom} “Um, excuse me Miss, your son just scored a goal.”
Mom {looks up from book}: “He did? Oh, how nice! Good boy.”
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Not too far off from my Dad who watched hockey for over 50 years and me for over 30
Me: Hey Dad, did you see I finally scored a hat trick?
Dad: You did? What team were you on?
Me: We wear road cone orange jerseys. You know the game you were just watching for the last 90 minutes.
Dad: What number do you wear?
Me: Um, 19 like I have for the last 20 plus years.
Dad: Oh, no I didn’t notice, I thought you were the slow defenseman. Did someone get hurt?
Me: No
Dad: That’s great … are you going to keep playing?
True story and never with a hint of malice. I don’t think he ever acknowledged a good or bad shift I ever had. Same conversation after every game, “How’d you do? Did you get hurt? have fun? When is the next game? Then let’s go home” Outside of that you would have never known he was even at the game.
great story
I’d rather parents be like this than like the morons who heckle nine-year-olds and berate their kids for perceived deficits – sometimes during drills at practice! – instead of just letting them enjoy a day at the rink. Those overbearing sorts can just fuck the fuck off.
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That is hilarious
That describes how my dad approached most of my non-hockey/soccer and non-grades related life.
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Observation
Our dmen need to get pucks to the net. Too many times they are just throwing it behind for our forwards to take care of. They need to try and get long shots from the point. I haven’t seen one deflection goal that I can remember.
Good things happen when you throw pucks to the net, rebounds, etc.
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Definitely felt like Streit was shooting a lot more from the point last night.
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Has Streit scored once on a shot from the point this year?
I know he’s had assists with those “shot/passes” and some goals up close but I simply haven’t seen that big canon from the point that he used to employ pre-injury.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 4, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
To answer my own question, yes
One of his two goals was a shot from the point.
Pretty painful to watch his highlights from 09-10 when he scored with the big slapper from the point with regularity. He’s clearly not the same player.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 4, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Let's hope
this is a sign that he’s on his way to his peak form. Given his injury and time off last year, he should get about half a season to work through his kinks and adjust back to the life of a top-pair defenseman. Let’s hope his second half is a lot better than his first half.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 4, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There's also a little bit of randomness to D-men's goals from the point
His first year he had a seeing eye shot. I think the next year he was played a little tighter by the opposition. But D-men shots (and their percentage) can fluctuate like some such Aucoin.
That said, Streit has definitely gotten shots on at a lower rate this season.
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Fantom assist to Moulson on that tying goal
When JT had the puck behind the net, Moulson skated toward the near post and occupied that space. This was clearly a distraction to 2 defensemen and the goalie, and allowed KO to receive a sweet pass with a wide-open net.
For sure
So sure Hockey1919 discussed that way up top of the thread ;)
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Oooops!
Was like the 5th post….I’ll bring my A-game to this site next time.
Oh, I won't ever fault ya for missing something in a 200-comment thread
Just pointing the way for further discussion.
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