Islanders vs. Hurricanes Gameday: Greetings, New Patrick Brothers
by Dominik on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 AM EST
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PrintTonight is the first meeting of the season for the New York Islanders and the Carolina Hurricanes, and also the first meeting since the two Eastern basement dwellers were announced to be step-brothers under the NHL's new realignment scheme for 2012-13.
So, formally now: Welcome to the Patrick Division, Canes. She is a difficult but delightful beast.
Islanders (13-17-6, 14th/E) @ Hurricanes (13-21-6, 15th/E)
7 p.m. EST | MSG+ | Audio: NHL - WRHU
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Storm watchers: Canes Country
As it was for the Islanders, 2011 was tough for the Hurricanes, finishing out of last season's playoffs and getting off to such an awful start this season that Kirk Muller is now their coach. (Yes, apparently he reported to his new team, and promptly.) Worse, Jeff Skinner missed most of December with a concussion -- after an Andy Sutton hit -- but at least he is nearing a return.
Important defenseman Joni Pitkanen has also been out with a concussion, and the Canes dropped their last game in Tampa thanks to a Steven Stamkos hat trick. Slumping Eric Staal went scoreless for six games before collecting five points in the final two games of 2011.
Like the Isles, the Canes have picked up recent wins against weaker teams (New Jersey, Toronto) while falling to the powerhouse Penguins. If you want a fun and quick scouting report on the Canes, here's what the Leafs (who lost in OT) thought of them before that meeting.
The "advanced stat" possession numbers likewise rank the Isles and Hurricanes right next to each other in the bottom tier of the league, keeping company with the Ducks (the next stop on this road trip) and recent Islanders victims the Flames, Oilers and Wild.
So yes, by record and by any measure, this is game the Isles can win and they'll have two more opportunities this month to separate themselves from the Hurricanes and collect feel-good points. Of course, we know how the Canes have had the Isles number in recent years, no matter what the teams' respective records. But if they want to make a move ... December was now is the time.
Roster / Lines
The Islanders reported Micheal Haley, who had some sort of hand injury in his last fight but hasn't played since, has been returned to Bridgeport. [Elsewhere: IPB's latest prospect profile is of Haley's Bridgeport teammate Aaron Ness.]
They also had lines at yesterday's practice as unchanged from the last two games:
Matt Moulson - John Tavares - Kyle Okposo
Brian Rolston - Frans Nielsen - P.A. Parenteau
Michael Grabner - Josh Bailey - Matt Martin
Nino Niederreiter - Marty Reasoner - Tim Wallace
In his roundup of the three (winnable) road games ahead, Newsday's Arthur Staple notes Rick DiPietro and Jay Pandolfo have also made this road trip (as did Bridgeport goalie callup Anders Nilsson), so be on the lookout there.
But Al Montoya and David Ullstrom (concussions, each of them) stayed behind, and the ball should still be Evgeni Nabokov's to carry. Nabokov has started the last six games.
On the topic of struggling teams: P.K. Subban and Tomas Plekanec fought (briefly) at Canadiens practice, something that is hard to imagine happening with the Islanders right now.
Highlight Goals: The Score runs down their top 10 goals of 2011 ... with a familiar face at #5, who has practically duplicated the feat twice in the last week (once by assist, of course. Cause that's what he do.)
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Nice to see JT in the top ten goals
Anyone see Torts in his interview saying the refs and NBC wanted it to go to overtime? Now given my recent discussions with Dom, that should sure put a bulls eye on the Rangers back no?
Constantly building for the future.
Wow! I wonder if there's anything to these allegations..
I wouldn’t doubt it…The NHL is a joke…
Have you not seen enough this year to know the NHL will use the refs to help decide games?
Or do you really think JT dove on the back of his head, or that Hamonic play was really a miscounduct?
The fact one of the best coaches is saying that in a presser, speaks volumes, and good on Torts. It happens to him once and he freaks. Caps acts like it’s normal business and it happens to us all the time.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
calling tortrella
one of the best coaches is, uh, a real stretch. based on what? he’s a jackass is what he is.
the point is you have a coach accusing the league of fixing games. an islanders coach would be banished to siberia for such conduct
by ripcurl2121 on Jan 3, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The real point is that a coach who probably won't see punishment is accusing the league of exactly what others cannot.
I think it is good that Tortorella called out the refs. If Capuano does it, then everyone dismisses it as the coach of a crappy whining because his team sucks. When you get the coach of the team with the best record in the East saying this, you may actually see some introspection from the league.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
Good call. The guy touched the puck with his hand in the crease on purpose. Torts is a crybaby.
by TMS71 on Jan 3, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not debating the penalty shot.
Just trying to provide perspective on Tortorella calling out the refs. I agree he is, in general, a crybaby.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
I wouldn't be surprised if he is punished. He basically suggested that they were colluding to fix the game.
If that doesn’t get some punishment I don’t know what will. I guess you have to come right out and say it. The “I’m not saying, I’m just saying” defense seems to work for him here.
There was a bad call or 2 at the "end" of the game against the rags, I even thought the refs were trying to force OT.
The covering the puck call is a blind call and near impossible to make because of proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlL_kDIJ5oM
Every angle you can think of shows the ranger slide across the crease, miss the puck with his hands and leg the puck out of/to the corner of the crease. The refs can only blow a whistle for loss of vision of the puck and call it dead. Calling a game changing penalty blindly on a very debatable thing is crazy. Throw yourselves in the ranger fans shoes, how is there any direct evidence the puck is covered by a hand from any replay let alone during the occurence?
The rags got screwed on a goalie interference call that should have been for them and somehow wound up against them. And the Callahan call was questionable. He was hooked high and didn’t grab that stick to get it off him till way after the fact. Not really holding the stick at all.
It really looks like the refs wanted to force OT from my perspective, and I don’t like either team playing.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Agreed up until Callahan
2 of those were chinzy but Callahan was rightly called for holding the stick (though it maybe should have been unsportsman like/diving). I didn’t see Callahan try to pull the stick off him, I saw the blade get on his shoulder, his hand went to grab it and then he went down. Do I think he was hooked down? Yes. Do I think he grabbed the stick and went down to ensure everyone saw it? Also yes.
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 3, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Possibly. It was a hard judgement. It's pretty easy to rip a guy down by hooking him high.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Just because the camera angle doesn't show a conclusive view doesn't mean the ref didn't
To me in live action, not just the sliding Ranger but also #5 dropping to his knees and reaching his hand in made me think someone put their hand on the puck in the crease. I wasn’t a bit shocked the refs thought the same — only shocked that they had the stones to call it.
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by Dominik on Jan 4, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I was thinking the same exact thing...
I mean who really knows but that powerplay given to flyers that should have been a smurfs powerplay, then the penalty shot? Again, who really knows but i was laughing to myself thinking it seemed fixed.
The sleeper must awaken.
Hahahahaha
Tortorella, as he can, took things to the extreme when breaking down the call and the game’s officiating in the moments after his team picked up a valuable two points against a division rival.
“I’m not sure if NBC got together with the refs,” Tortorella said after the game, according to Yahoo’s Puck Daddy blog.
“It started with the non-call [when Marian Gaborik] was pitch-forked in the stomach, and then everything starts going against us. They’re two good referees; I thought the game was refereed horribly. So I’m not sure what happened there. Maybe they wanted to get it to an overtime. I’m not sure if they have meetings about that or what. But we stood in there. They’re good guys. But in that third period, it was disgusting.”
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Video of Subban/Plekanec (can't really so much call it a fight)
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/01/02/video-subbanplekanec-go-at-it-in-practice/#more-40338
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Perhaps we could interest Montreal in a 1-1 trade
Mottau for Subban?
No more character problems in the locker room! C’mon guys whaddya say?
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
We do have some items that Montreal desperately needs...
and Subban would be a long term piece to our puzzle.
We get Subban and one of their bad contracts.
They get Wishart, an expiring contract like Parenteau (francophone) or Nielsen, and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
But it’s not going to happen because Snow can’t part with the cap space… even though picking up a guy like Gomez would allow them to park DP in Bridgeport for the rest of the season. nielsen for Gomez isn’t a good deal for us.. but it is something we’d have to eat to get a guy like Subban… the cap space and some of the upper level forward prospects are all we have to deal. I think it would be more important for MON to have the cap space so they can sign more productive forwards.
PK and JT are buddies… so the only fighting would be when he gets jealous of the JT-Matty Mo relationship.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 3, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Agree
I’ve been lobbying for the Acquire a Bad Contract To Land a Good Player (or ABACTOL GOOP for short) for maybe two years now? It’s going to take something like that to get what we need without blowing the whole thing up.
If Subban is available, next year’s first shouldn’t be off the table (with, as you say, a player, a prospect, and the damn cap relief).
The sad thing is with all of the rumors pointing toward the next CBA offering an out on some bad contracts, teams may be reluctant to make those sorts of moves with a get out of jail free card on the horizon. Might be a(nother) missed opportunity.
While I think dealing pap would be a mistake, these suggestions aren’t horrible. Pap generates offense no matter his linemates, so I would think they would have to deal Nielsen.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's nothing, this incident was way overblown.
I’d still trade our 1st rounder for Subban though. Probably our 1st and nielsen or pap.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Haley is sent down just as I feared after Martin turned the other cheek..
Who will replace him, Pandolfo??? Haley comes up, protects his team mates, and breaks his hand…The thanks he gets is a demotion…
There is no place for standing up guys on this team...
KO, give them the benefit of the doubt
They’re trying to run the last few fans off, and this is a good way to start.
I mean we all know, Pandalfo and Reasoner have earned their place on the squad.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
Wallace > Haley right now.
Wallace is definitely a better option than Pandolfo. I just hope Garth didn’t promise pandolfo anything more than an NHL paycheck.
I think I’d rather see what Wallace can bring as a physical linemate for Nino. They can go without Haley for a few weeks, and maybe have a better window into Nino’s future with a guy like Wallace on his opposite wing.
When Rolston and Pandolfo are both gone there might be time for Haley and Wallace to be in the NHL.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
"When Rolston and Pandolfo are both gone there might be time for Haley and Wallace to be in the NHL."
When we are out of it and it’s time to sell some tickets?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
unfortunately. But that will be soon.. like next week. unless they string together 7 wins or at least 8 out of 10. Otherwise… adios, season.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
Yeah, I've been thinking we need a 7 game streak too
I don’t see it happening in this day and age of shootouts.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
wallace blows
and bring nothing. haley is way nmore valueble than him
Good point
I hadn’t considered that angle.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
He certainly has a way with words, I'll give him that.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
When did Martin "turn the other cheek"?
Did you mean against the Oilers where he was responsible for directly generating two power play goals by not fighting, or in the Ranger game where he fought Bickell and dragged Boyle (6’7" 244) down to the ice by his head while Wallace was engaged with Bickell.
Man your memory is selective.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he claimed Martin did anything wrong
he did turn the other cheek.
The fans who don’t want Haley here are in the minority.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps
but that reads like Martin wasn’t sticking up for his teammates to me. In addition to that, I’m not sure that there are people who don’t want Haley on the roster (this is me personally), as much as I don’t think he effects the outcomes of games as much as some others think.
I thought Martin played the last several games very intelligently in terms of when to be physical, when not to be physical and really put his team in a great position to win. I think if Haley can learn a little more of that balance, I’d want him here in a heartbeat all the time.
We all know he can hit, be tough as hell, and kick some ass…but timing is everything and he has to go through some of the growing pains that Martin has with building a rep as a clean guy first. (Not saying he isn’t, but that’s the perception…that he’s a 4th line goon).
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed
The “allegation” (for lack of a better word) is that the demotion of Haley was a consequence of Martin turning the other cheek, and that this was a negative consequence at that.
Both points are very flawed in my eyes. I don’t follow the logic of the first point. As for the second, Martin turning the other cheek had a marked effect on the outcome of the game. Haley’s effect on any game is typically (and so far inarguably) circumstantial.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 3, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder why fans would make "allegations" against this bunch
I mean as open and honest they are with us all the time, how could anybody think that?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Martin couldn't stick up for his teammate
Eager was the one trying to do that, for no reason since the hit was a baby hit, which made no sense for him to fight. And i doubt while that was happening, he was thinking about how he was trying not to be preceived as a 4th line goon. He made the smart play, that is all.
I don’t know what KO meant, but i took it as another fan pissed we have to watch slow ex devils skate around aimlessly while our boy gets buried in the minors. All while Garth laughs when it’s brought up how much the fans love him.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Have you noticed that you and I always end up explaining each other???
You understood exactly where I was coming from just as I usually understand you when it comes to this subject.
the reason we explain each other is the same things happen to us.
We mention the lack of toughness. someone replies, we reply back, then we are are a broken record, all while they pretend we said shit we didn’t say. Like everybody can’t read what thye’re writing,
They they rec each other posts. It’s awesome. They never mention we predicted Montoya would get hurt when we wouldn’t stop people from running him though. You see how that turned out?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think some people are passivists. (not theres anything wrong with that)
They jump on us because we know its an integral element in hockey in order succeed…It seems like the org doesn’t understand it either when they don’t play the guys like Haley…Thats why we comment on it so much. Its like beating a dead horse at this point tho…
Yeah, it's all good.
I’ll just ignore him like I did the first 3 weeks he nipped at my heels.
I think now i know why most people don’t stick up for tougness here though.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sentences are built this way by passivists.
by Kaonashi on Jan 3, 2012 4:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Not that I agree with either side here, I'm in the middle of this debate, but I do find it funny that just about every pro haley person here spelled pacifist wrong.
I just find it ironic.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Jan 3, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Would love to see that prediction
because I’m pretty sure that the way that happend was that he was run, you guys complained, then he was diagnosed from that particular running.
Either way, you have to wonder if maybe people aren’t seeing your points of view because you aren’t communicating them as accurately as you think.
This really isn’t a board full of pacifists (compared to others that really detest fighting) and I myself pretty much love it until it screws up the actual game). I don’t think that anybody disputes that toughness is necessary, just that the talent deficit is the biggest problem. I don’t think that if we had five Haley’s on the roster that KO would have 20 goals and DPs save % would be .920 or Mottau would be a reliable defender. I think that it could help a little, but not enough to matter.
And the reasons you guys are considered a broken record
1) We know
2) Never shown any evidence that what you say actually tangibly affects outcome
3) Continue to say the same thing in every thread whether it has to do with the thread, current game, situation, or whatever.
4) When confronted with any of the above, call everyone a hippie.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Haha
as I was typing it! Perfect!
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I want to rec either of these last two
But I don’t want to get lumped in with you confederacy of dunces.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 3, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't predict Montoya getting hurt?
Half of Isles nation predicted it. Hell half of anybody who watched it happen could predict that was coming.
“Continue to say the same thing in every thread whether it has to do with the thread, current game, situation, or whatever.”
I didn’t bring it up, i replied to KO, and here you all came at me again replying to me. If you don’t want my opinion, why are you replying to me?
Pretty simple really.
“call everyone a hippie.”
Right, and I get called a neandrathal and reply “lol.” Get a sense of humor.
" Never shown any evidence that what you say actually tangibly affects outcome"
It doesn’t. Unless you believe it keeps the players safe. Which I only say that because most every player who ever played in the NHL says it. But no, I should listen to Keith Quinn when it comes to how fighting affects the NHL. Right.
Not to mention, when I mention lack of tougness, it has way more to do with it than fighting. Our team is as soft as bread pudding when it comes to hitting too.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
1/2 of Islanders nation predicting a goalie injury?
Considering they’d all been hurt already? Inconceivable.
For my next trick, I’ll predict an injury to a defenseman. Let’s say, Jurcina.
You replied to me, directly…then when three other people say the same thing I did, you single out Afro? I really don’t care so much about the name calling…and am pretty sure I have an adequate sense of humor, but don’t you think that both sides of this argument are diminishing it by bringing up the “neanderthal” vs “pansy” debate?
You could listen to whoever you’d like. I just don’t often expect people to be forthcoming about their job effectiveness or others within that profession being honest about whether a particular faction of a job is necessary. For example, as a teacher, you’d be hard pressed for other teachers to say a particular type of teacher wasn’t necessary (gym/health for example) or for them not to stick by a person who has had minimal effectiveness because in the end of it, at some point, they may be the low man on the totem pole.
I’m not particularly interested in whether you listen to me or not…I could be wrong even, certainly not the first time, but again this is being portrayed as a toughness vs. non-toughness debate, when in fact, I’ve not framed it that way.
I’ve framed it as ‘Haley may not have as much impact on winning/losing/injury prevention as you claim’…to which, there’s still been no effective rebuttal except Bob Probert’s book. (Which I still haven’t read)
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i haven't read it either
Probably won’t. But I did read The Code and have heard many players mention it over the years. It’s amazing you missed all that.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't miss it is the point
I’m debating again, how much Micheal Haley does for this team in terms of wins/losses/injury prevention…other than a bunch of guys just saying “because” or “because some other guy said so in a book” which is completely out of context of this team.
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you're a broken record.
You can’t have it both ways, Keith. You can’t keep replying to me all while calling me a broken record.
Not to mention you say the same things over and over.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent use of the "I know you are but what am I" position
but again, it just points out that you can’t answer the question adequately. I would even settle for “I like fighting a lot and this team doesn’t do enough of that”, because at least it would be an answer.
As a matter of fact, I wish there was more fight back from this team…I really do. I miss Haley when he’s not here. But I will not say that he prevents injury or that he creates wins or losses. I find him entertaining, and I think I would rather see him than Pandolfo, Rolston, Nino or even Wallace right now. If he was an adequate center, I’d slot him above Reasoner…but I still don’t know if that would do anything other than up my entertainment value in losses.
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Dammit
I was gonna pick Mottau too. Grrr
Quinnstrodamus
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nonesense. haley
knows when to do his thing. he’s smart about when to do what he has to do. when has haley ever put the team in tough spot shorthanded going after people? he hasnt. he always takes the other guy off equally. and he was probably the one to teach martin to be smart about it.
by ripcurl2121 on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Last time he "did his thing"
he got a 2/5/10 and messed his hand up in :04 of TOI, to “defend” Tim Wallace from a previous game.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I never said that.
MM turned the other cheek in a situation where he should. That was a great thing by MM. But I was concerned that Wang and Snow would take it as confirmation that we don’t need to have the elements like Haley around…That we could be a passive group because look what MM did…So you are not taking me the right way again.
Gotcha
Sounded like you were calling MM a wuss there. But over this last week or two, I have felt like we’ve seen more team toughness. Not that I really think they have that, but it looked better.
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As much as I'd love to have haley in the NHL...
they do have better options, whom they will need to see in the NHL beofre 2012-13.
Dream Lineup for January 2012:
moulson-tavares-okposo…. future #1 line… for a long time!
ullstrom-bailey-parentau… solid #2 line potential. Bailey > Nielsen offensively.
grabner-nielsen-nino… enough D to allow nino to play aggressively, and learn
martin-reasoner-wallace… any one of these guys could replace any piece above them for a few shifts. they all kill penalties and they can generate offense, and the two wings make for a very good “energy” line.
macdonald-hamonic
streit-staios/jurcina
eaton-jurcina/deHaan
(reese/donovan) Mike Mottau’s time has passed. Eaton’s is limited to where they are in the standings after january. If they are out of it completely, it might be a good time to show the kids where they need to work on their games in 2012-13.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
reasoner and wallace
are part of your “dream” lineup?
reasoner is completelky useless and wallace isnt far behind. haley has way more value than both of them
for january...yeah!
reasoner has got to play his way out of this shit-storm. Wallace is a far greater depth piece than you give him credit for. I’m not sure what you’ve been watching.
He was dominant in the AHL, and brings a physical presence with offensive upside to a 4th line role.
Those positions may be improved with Cizikas and Dibo, eventually. But casey is still a development year away, and Dibo is hurt.
I think it’s enough to say that there is no Mottau, Rolston or pandolfo in my lineup. Rolston can be waived to the AHL without losing his cap hit, and I could care less where JP winds up. I don’t think he’d bring much to the AHL squad either, unless he signs on as a coach… but I don’t think they’d want him in that role either.
I don’t know if you are a Haley psycho-fan(t), but haley had regressed in the AHL. He answered the bell when called up, but Wallace was a consumate pro in the AHL and fully deserves this time in the NHL. There will be other opportunities for Haley… but Wallace has the potential to be more for the team than a guy who breaks noses and wills. His audition will run its course. Give it time.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 3, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The fans who don’t want Haley here are in the minority.
I don’t think anyone doesn’t want him here per se, but that doesn’t mean he’s bringing a whole lot to the table on a nightly basis either. I’d rather see him over Pandolfo, Rolston, etc, but I don’t think he’s going out and winning games for us either.
by afrosupreme on Jan 3, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
is charlie brown's teacher talking again?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Good to see you’re still a broken record in 2012.
by afrosupreme on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Good to see you're still nipping at my heels, shorty.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not nipping at your heels, I’m pointing out the complete and utter stupidity of your belief that Haley is the key to victory for this team (and I even like Haley!).
Again, nice work internet tough guy. Striking fear from behind a monitor since 2011!
by afrosupreme on Jan 3, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Making quotes up again?
“your belief that Haley is the key to victory for this teeam.”
You got a link for that quote I made? Of course you don’t. Putting words in my mouth again? That’s your game though. Ignore the facts, and make shit up. Everybody can read your lies, dude. Not just me.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
Just another conspiracy in a world full of them. Here’s a deal-put your tinfoil hat back on, and go about spouting your nonsense and I’ll never try and make a meaningful comment on one of your’s again. Mmmmmmkay? Grrreeeaaat.
Consipracy theory?
Find the quote you’re accusing me of if this is a conspiracy theory, liar.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
This spat is getting awkward.
Or is it just me?
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 3, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I don't take too kindly to people making stuff up about me
If he was sitting next to me, I’d tell him the same thing.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I hear you (but I wasn't necessarily taking your side)
If I saw, say, one of my co-workers call another a “shorty” or “liar,” it would be awkward, regardless of context.
Side note – I always thought shorty was hip-hop slang for girlfriend. Which would make this even stranger, but I digress…
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 3, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I didn't say you were taking my side
But when you make up things I say, you are a liar.
I’ve never said that to you. You know why? Because you don’t change my words around to fit your agenda.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
which one of you is Plekanek and wich is Subban? hahaha
Happy new year
by Strong Island Thuggery on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
' and I’ll never try and make a meaningful comment on one of your’s again."
Does that quote mean as much as when you told me you would quit replying to my posts about toughness in order to keep the peace?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
if only the isles
had someone consistently in the lineup who would go after the other team’s malfeasants with the passion and vigor that you two display…..
Thats right...
It seems like our minds think alike…This happens allot with you too…Words get put in our mouths. I liked what Martin did. It was mature and disciplined. I was just concerned that this would make the Isles management take that as verification that we dont need guys like Haley…
Yeah, I know, who badmouths Martin? Nobody, really
Weirds how when you take the toughness side around here, they act like it’s all you care about.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
not surprising
that this organization continues to be clueless
For demoting a guy who hasn't been playing?
Right.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
really. if i was
haley, i’d be on the first train out of here the second i was able to sign with someone else. this team is clueless
Holy shit
Are all of your posts going to be negative today?
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He's a troll. Dom should have honestly banned him by now because all he does is go botta-poster here and never brings any intelligent conversation.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
HA!
If Haley was in the same role for a better team he’d be shuttling between the ECHL and AHL instead of the AHL and NHL. If you saw his ghost performances earlier in bridgeport you’d have a better understanding of why it took so long for him to replace Pandolfo.
I’m guessing that it might have been different if he got the original call up for opening day… but that’s not how a professional responds to setbacks.
Ullstrom, Dibo and Wallace were up for that spot as well.. and all they did was dominate the first few months in the AHL.
Haley will be fine… and he shold have a role on this team going forward… but not much more than it is now… unless he starts putting up a point per game in BPT.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 3, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
People just remember that goal he scored against the Pens in that brawl-filled game. Nice move. He is really not
an NHL level hockey player. He is totally ineffective as a player. Better than Gillies but not better than anyone else who has played for the Isles in the last few years.
I compare him to Michael Rupp, which is actually a good comparison. Only difference is Rupp is a heavyweight fighter.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Actually, they are near exact similar 2-way players.
1 of those 2 goals was lucky during the classic for Rupp and the other was a partial screen. Rupp might be a little more 2-way talented, but Rupp is a borderline NHL player without his fighting.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I guess. I looked at his career #'s and he's not as good as I thought. He's a 4th liner for sure but I think
he’s a more effective player than Haley.
Maybe because the size factor, it would make sense.
Although Haley’s nhl sample size is so small no one really knows. He could be our Chris Neil.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I love that the demotion of a player who has played 4 seconds since Dec. 23 dominates the morning here
Perspective: It’s not for breakfast.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Jan 3, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Nice hand, sir
Well played.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 3, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Fans love him.
This is entertainment. The Isles provide very little of that. So if fans want to express their dissatisfaction with sending one of our favorites down then I don’t know what to tell ya…
Is it because he's a favorite, or because he's essential to team success?
The comments positioned it as a lack of toughness that will bring the team down.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I think MANY isles fans think we have a couple of guys who haven't earned their spot
And at the very least haven’t earned keeping it.
And there are probably a few players who should be playing over them, and Haley is just loved more than the others.
I think some of us also THINK that Cappy and most of the players want him around too.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isles fans love him because of what he brings...
and what he brings is what this team needs more of and not less of….
That "more of and not less of" point is completely debatable
Which is fine: that’s one of the things we do here, is debate.
But people who debate whether Haley adds enough to justify his weaknesses do not automatically disregard or fail to recognize (or whatever) “toughness.” Yet that is the accusation that is repeatedly thrown out when people have the nerve to point out the issue is not simply black and white.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Jan 3, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's more about the people who are playing than the one who isn't though
It just so happens that fans love that player more than they love some other players they are playing over.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The lineup hasn't changed though
A player who has been out the past two weeks was demoted. He was already out of the lineup through wins, losses and shootoust.
I actually love me some Haley myself — so do many, many here who are willing to parse the issue of how and when enforcers are useful — yet all are some how lumped into a nebulous straw man group of pacifists and hippies? That’s why this cycle is beyond annoying.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Jan 3, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yet as we are a broken record the rest of the board replies to us about their view on the subject
that’s just as annoying, imo.
To constantly reply the opposite, then call us out as a broken record is hypocritical as all hell.
And that is not meant towards you.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Having him up here only to sit in the press box doesn't help either...
I don’t condone that…
So why not send him down to improve while waiting until one of the waste of space vets gets hurt again?
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 3, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
same with the three headed monster
DP sitting out and taking up a spot on the rooster doesn’t help us any either. On the other hand, maybe it is helping the team rather than having him on the ice. Anyone want to start that broken record spinning? Can I get a witness?
by Strong Island Thuggery on Jan 3, 2012 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In all honesty though, there is no reason at all Pandolfo should be on this roster over Haley.
Even as a healthy scratch, which is what I prefer Haley to be right now.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Micheal Haley's contributions are not the type that he needs to be on the ice for. He strikes fear into the hearts of opposing players just by being on the bench.
Heck even from the press box the other team is afraid he might come down to the ice. It’s only when he’s off in Bridgeport, 40 miles away, do the Islanders opponents relax. He is the biggest reason for the confidence with which Tavares, Moulson, Parenteau, Okposo, and everyone else is playing. If you had read Bob Probert’s book or listened to what players have said when asked about this in front of a microphone for public consumption you would realize this. Only a passivist would doubt this because passivists are wussies who are afraid to fight themselves so they seek to denigrate fighting to make themselves feel better about their wimpiness. So just because Micheal Haley makes you feel like the wimp that you are doesn’t mean you have to be in denial about the overwhelming positive effect that he has on the Islanders.
All this call for evidence is just ridiculous. When a man throws bombs the way Micheal Haley does it doesn’t take a PhD in some fancy subject for pin-headed nerds and passivists to figure out the he has a positive influence. But if you want a statistic here’s one. Amount of ass-kicking Haley did in that game last year vs the Pens an a scale of 1 to 10 : 11. Islander’s goals that game : 9. Not that any red-blooded non-passivist male should needs statistics to understand the positive effect of Micheal Haley. Heck Haley was probably not even called to Bridgeport. He’s probably been sent on some ass-kicking mission by the US govt (on loan from Canada I’m sure).
by TMS71 on Jan 3, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Is anybody else going to this game?
I’ll be in sec 104, Row P with my Martin jersey on.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
Cool, i haven't had a chance to watch the boys play the past two games.
And now i can watch them at home on Time-Warn…. Oh, wait.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 3, 2012 9:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Has anyone called TW
And asked for some sort of makegood? It’s great that I can still watch 30% of Rags games, but they make no mentioned of alternatives for the Isles.
by Dorfer on Jan 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Time Warnet
I saw nothing mentioned about the Isles or Devils in the TWC communiques.
by Dougtone on Jan 3, 2012 12:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Haley will be able to take care of that
Cablevision needs to show toughness.
Lighthouse Hockey. Where Islanders fans come to panic with punctuation.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 3, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Did they actually not settle before the new year?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
no steelement
TWC has the NBA network and the NHL network replacing the 2 MSG stations
Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!
Damn...forgot about that in my morning haze.
Haven’t seen a game since the last Rags game so I was looking forward to it tonight.
You only figure 8 once.
by The Black Map on Jan 3, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Happy New Year, LHHers: does anyone know?
It is Jan. 3rd 2012, does anyone know what the Islanders record was at the same date last year?
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
11-19-6
We are 2 wins better (that’s it).
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
by Anarcurt on Jan 3, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The extra win I captured below was a game played on 1/3/11
So technically the 11-19-6 for 28pts above is a better proxy, since they are playing tonight.
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I was going by games played
We can widen the spread this month though. 4-8-1 last January so definite room for improvement. Goalie Starts in January:
DiPietro:5
Poulin: 5
Lawson: 3
No Sleep 'til....Belmont?
Here is what we got left in the season
Ducks: (1)
Bruins: (2)
Sabers: (3)
Carolina: (4)
Columbus: (1)
Detroit: (1)
Florida: (2)
Kings: (1)
Montreal: (2)
Nashville: (1)
Devils: (4)
Rangers: (2)
Ottawa: (4)
Flyers: (5)
Phoenix: (1)
Penguins: (2)
St Louis: (1)
Tampa Bay: (1)
Toronto: (3)
Washington: (3)
Winnipeg: (2)
As for as January goes, here is the schedule
3 games vs. CAR
2 games vs. PHIL
2 games vs. TOR
1 games vs:
Ducks
Coyoyes
Red Wings
Sabers
Predators
Capitals
What this team needs to do is HIT up CAR for 3 wins, beat BUF, NASH, ANA and TOR. I see 8 wins 5 losses. Anyone see otherwise? That will be a hell of a lot better that Jan. 2011!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 3, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I see
20-22 wins in that bunch. What does that do for us?
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 3, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
What an attitude Dorfer: cheer up its a new year!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 3, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol, that's another way of saying top 5/6 pick.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I don't think i was the only one hoping for better than that
A couple more wins, we’d be in a much better postion.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed on that one
4 points better almost half-way through, given how awful they were last November qualifies as somewhat disappointing.
There is still technically time to turn it around if they go on a run, like mentioned by a few folks above. I guess the real question is whether
a) this team has the pieces to put such a run together (ie guys like Okposo and Grabner and Bailey, others underperfoming vs. expecations, etc.) start playing like we think they are capable of) or
b) this is at best a .500 team without the necessary fire power to string together a sustained winning streak (ie guys like Okposo and Grabner and Bailey, etc. are giving all they are capable of)
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
So going into their game on 1/3 last year
They had 28 points, vs. 32 pts. going into tonights game. So it’s 2 wins in both the W column (13 vs 11), as well as in point terms (32 vs. 28).
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
We're slightly better...
with a much more promising future… because we have Brian Rolston and Jay Pandolfo.
(soley to appease TMC’s need to see this “over and over and over”)
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 3, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get accused of being a broken record
it’s okay, somebody has to speak the truth. We have given these guys a pass for a long time, longer than most Isles fans.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think there's a single Isles fan who wants Rolston or Pandolfo on the team.
It’s nearly halfway into the season. We get it, they suck and none of us want them.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Hey, I don't say it all the time
I prefer to complain about toughness and some complain about the defense, while some complain about others complaining. It’s a vicous circle.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
But what do you do when you need certain contracts...
And probably don’t want to treat the vets like crap so as to entice potentially better vets next season. Face it, Rolston, Reasoner and Pandolfo are here for the rest of the season like it or not.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
I'm tired of it as well...
and I don’t think anybody on LHH needs to hear it anymore. But when you see other parts of this team getting blamed for poor performance, sometimes I think they’ve forgotten what actually turned the tide last year.
It was a speedier defense, and more physical play from the forwards. The ex-devils and Steve Staios did not help build on that… they have caused it to regress…
But we blame Grabner for not being what he was… hell, he is the same player he was when he had to play with a cap mule and Nino “not ready” Niederreiter.
To BNOY’s point… they could have made their fans very happy by keeping Haley around for opening night… and they can keep this one somewhat appeased by keeping Wallace on the NHL roster over Jay Pandolfo… who brings NOTHING (IMHO).
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
You know it's all a cycle though...
the only reason Haley may be gone is the fact that DP is ready to come back soon and is now taking up a healthy scratch again and they don’t want to bench Wallace. Who knows, Pandolfo may be the guy in the box while Hayley ends up getting playing time until Nilsson goes back down.
This whole thing is a shitshow, but I think the point I’m getting to is that a lot of this stuff isn’t going to work itself out (or out very well) during the season (or at least this early). A lot of the time what we’re starting to see here is minimal discussion of the game or the players, but of those things that are not easily rectifiable.
But at least DP will be back soon to give us some diversity in bitching.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
Website:Lighthouse HockeyTwitter: @KeithLHHockey
When DP comes back
there may be a mass exodus of fans. Very die-hard fans.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
If he gets playing time...
while Montoya and Nabokov are still breathing, and on the active roster, there will be hell to pay. If he plays at all, it needs to be in Bridgeport.
As we in IT like to say… YOU DON’T TEST IN PRODUCTION!
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
I won't be tuning in to games that RDP starts in that sceanrio
Because I have Time Warner. But they’d be doing me a favor.
What if DP was the backup and Nabby played 432 games straight?
Would you play DP or use 6 skaters?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent question, and a tough choice
We’ve seen them play almost as much time with 6 skaters this season as they have played with RDP in net. It’s a coin flip.
The Bitch Meme
On the LHH bestseller list 400 weeks straight.
Wouldn’t it be nice if they could run the team on merit, instead of carrying enough cap load to avoid the penalties associated with their plight.
If the new CBA reduces current contracts to a five year limit, and three year extensions for those who still have 10 years left, it would solve a lot of the bitching around here.
The next thing would be to have a plan on relocation. No word at all points to relocation out of the state. It would be nice to hear once in a while that they were working behind the scenes to get the team to Belmont, or have a deal worked out for 2016-20 to be in Brooklyn until something could be worked out somewhere in Nassau county that is supported by mass transit.
Then we need to get over the FRANS-PAP HUMP. If they are dealt or re-signed the results should answer a lot of questions about CAP MULES next year.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This whole thing is a shitshow, but I think the point I’m getting to is that a lot of this stuff isn’t going to work itself out (or out very well) during the season (or at least this early).
Yea, that is the worst part about this. Thankfully I gave up on the playoffs in early November, so my expectations have been significantly lower for a while now.
I would very much like them to find a way though to at least find enough regular time for the young guys, both with the club now and knocking at the door from BP, to find out what we have going into next season. For me, that’s the biggest downside of the Pandolfo/Rolston/Mottau/Eaton circus.
by afrosupreme on Jan 3, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but the
islanders website had a front page feature on rolston and pandolfo when they were ready to come back to jazz up and excite us!!
so we must love them, right? the website says so
You can (and will) repeat it all you want JP
I only questioned the notion that you “hate to repeat” the idea, because it is abundantly clear that is not the case.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 3, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
But I DO hate to say it...
…and repeat it.
I did enjoy repeating that Snow was doing a good job in maintaining the team that was clearly under budget restrictions.
I enjoyed supporting the rebuild, finally heading in the right direction.
I do not enjoy repeating over and over that they made a mistake by not allowing bailey to mature physically and as a player… but look at what they’re doing AGAIN with Nino.
This “rebuild” needs to be a process. We should not be making the same mistakes in year four that we made in year one. There were also options in year one that would have helped the development of young players… but they couldn’t or wouldn’t acquire them… and we (as fans) gave them a pass. No more passes… especially with a $20M team.
Now they need core guys to help support the growth and development of their defense… and again… stugotz (Italian for Staios, I think). Meanwhile they ask Hamonic to fill a role that is above his pay grade (though he is doing an outstanding job).
So.. as much as I repeat it, it’s not going to change things… but there’s no way I’m giving them a pass. The people who should be the angriest are the 25 or so season ticket holders who pay good money to see half an NHL roster.
I just pay about $2000 a year to see them, between travel, tickets, NHL package and wasted time. And I will continue to do so… I just expect a little more in return… and not much… but more than Brian Rolston, Jay Pandolfo and Mike Mottau.
speaking of which… is anybody interested in that tampa trip in March?
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 3, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I spend a bunch too, that's the problem here
Maybe when you turn on your local cable and you get Isles games, it might not matter. But when you pay for it, then get the product we have seen this year, all while they ignore everything the fans say (including those black unis nobody wanted) it starts to piss you off.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
A LHH Meetup
has been suggested a few times. I am thinking of going down there for the game and maybe visiting some friends… possibly get some golf in.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
I'm making the trip
I am planning on flying down for the Isles game in Tampa in March, along with the game against the Florida Panthers the following night.
The people who should be the angriest are the 25 or so season ticket holders who pay good money to see half an NHL roster.
My first year as STH, and yeah it sucks in many ways right now. However, I am glad that I purchased them regardless. At least I can absolve myself of blame if they move, and I got to enjoy the old barn before they inevitably demolish that sacred place.
But, yeah it would be nice to see me some Katic, Wishart, de Haan, Dibo, Cizikas, Poulin, etc. at various points this season. When Ullstrom returns, I can’t wait to see what they do next with this roster.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
I wasn't counting on you..
so make that 26! :-)
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
We have been making progress every year in the rebuild until now, and that's garth fault for not filling in the holes and salary room correctly.
Garth fugged up and it cost us.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
New Year but somethings stay the same.............we have Brian Rolston and Jay Pandolfo.LOL
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
The way JT is going
he could be in the top 10 goal list every year.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
As a matter of fact
Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday 16m
Same lineup for #Isles tonight in Raleigh. Nabokov in goal, Mottau and Pandolfo scratched.
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YEAH!
Hopefully, no changes until Montoya and/or Ullstrom are inserted… or a deal is made.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 3, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Amen
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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Good.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
So happy Nabby has been lights out recently.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Jan 3, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He has looked good.
Him and Toyota can be a good duo. If nabby plays like he’s been he might win the job.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Win the job or win us a 3rd round pick. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Alright, first game of 2012, let's start the new year off...
oh…we’re doing the negative thing today? Sorry.
BURN THE DEVILS. BRING UP TEH GRITT. FIRE CAPPYWANO AND SNOWWANG.
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by PGI on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I made a positive post above about JT getting mentioned in best goals of the year
And nobody replied.
I guess there was nothing to argue about.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
How's this for stoking the flames...
- I mock your value system. You also appear foolish to the eyes of others.
- Past instances in which I professed to like you were fraudulent.
- I engaged in intercourse with your spouse or significant other. Now that’s psychiatry! Eh? Eh?
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 3, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
POST FAIL! Was supposed to be as below:
- I mock your value system. You also appear foolish to the eyes of others.
- Past instances in which I professed to like you were fraudulent.
- I engaged in intercourse with your spouse or significant other. Now that’s psychiatry! Eh? Eh?
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 3, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
If things keep going this way.....
I won’t have to change my screen name!
"This season is a serious misallocation of valuable hockey resources"- Saving Private Tavares
NO, but
You will now have
FireGarthSnow2012
FireGarthSnow2231
FireGarthSnow5
FireGarthSnow2323
WangFireSnowThenFireYourself
IUsedToLoveTheIslesNowFireGarthSnow
GarthSnowAlmostAsBadAsMilbury
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
It would be awesome if
GarthSnowAlmostAsBadAsMilbury was actually Mike Milbury.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
I think mad Mike was Battlin Bily
Who else wouldn’t know how to spell Billy?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nah. Milbury would never reference the Cup teams
His screen name would be FelixPotvinfor Berard or Kvasha was Misunderstood
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Jan 3, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Some positives...and my stance on toughness
- Matt Martin is tough AND smart. His value to this team went up after Edmonton.
- Josh Bailey is hitting opponents unsoftly AND making plays to teammates. I honestly thought I’d never say that, the way it was going. Let’s hope he and Grabs gel and put some points up together.
- John Tavares is hot again. The most enjoyable Islander to watch since Ziggy and Pierre. I’m always hoping these scoring slumps he seems to get once or twice a season get shorter and shorter. Lead the way, Johnny T!
- Travis Hamonic. This kid does everything right at an age where most wouldn’t.
Whew…now I feel better. As for team toughness, yeah it sucks when this team doesn’t seem as “kill for each other” as the dynasty teams. Whether Montoya still would’ve got run or not, I still wanna see this team stick up for each other and not act like cowards. Whether the Isles record would be better by a few wins/points or not, I still want this team to be a “tough team to play against” that doesn’t take any shit. Garth addressed the future in this regard at this past draft with Mayfield, Pedan, Persson, and Theoriet. As for the present, everything is difficult for this franchise. Everything has handcuffs. No new arena, decades of bad reputation, no quality FA, empty cupboard, cap mules to make cap floors…it’s too bad they can’t be a tough AND talented team, but players who are tough AND talented don’t wanna come here…and thus the patience for this rebuild continues…
Though I don’t necessarily believe Micheal Haley can improve the team greatly like an obvious Milan Lucic can, I do think he CAN greatly affect the attitude of the team. I’ve seen it. His energy, after a particular hit or fight, spreads to players and fans. It just doesn’t last as long as I’d like. Unfortunately, it seems the more talent/value/CORE a player with Haley’s attitude has, the more infectious his attitude spreads to others (Ryan Callahan?). Guess we’ll have to wait for a player like that (it ain’t Kyle Okposo). So, yeah, I want Haley back up with the big club ASAP, not because he can make this team MUCH better, but because I selfishly like the “spark” he brings to the team and enjoy seeing it ‘sometimes’ come out in his teammates.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
by Bryan2112 on Jan 3, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Momentum can not be measured by any statistic, and Haley throws a lot of momentum changing hits and has momentum changing fights.
It can’t be measured, but I think a lot of “anti-haley in the NHL” guys undermine his effectiveness at changing the pace of a game at times. I agree he is no better then a 4th line grinder, and a middleweight enforcing energy grinder at that(not a 2-way effective 4th liner). I still have no idea why you wouldn’t keep him up as a healthy scratch for everything he did last year for us and how much of a quality hitting/fighting/agitating player he is for the 4th line.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"Spot starting is what I expect for him, but I honestly wouldn't mind him starting some if guys continue to underperform "Reasoner/Pandolfo/slow-and-gun-Rolston"
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Meanwhile
Snow was taking in the Sound Tigers yesterday. Resume ascribing your theories as to why (e.g. 1: part of the job; 2: to punish my favorite player; 3: to determine who will tie Mottau’s laces).
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Obviously it's to keep an eye on Haley
Garth just wants to keep him down while he acquires more and more ex-Devils.
muwahaha!
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Couldn't bring himself
to watch winter classic after being passed over for Bernie Parent?
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ahh, we're getting to the halfway point of the year.
team’s weak in d
tigers have our future d
take a glance garth
i like turtles
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
Interesting
mc79hockey @mc79hockey 1h
Man, I gotta start spamming radio stations w press releases. RT @OilersNow Today: Marc Appleby on which fighters change momentum the most.
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@mc79hockey @JonathanWillis can someone refresh me — has there been an article done yet on ingame effects of fights
Jonathan Willis Jonathan Willis @JonathanWillis 1h
@BK_DobberNation @mc79hockey I swear that @behindthenet did one but I haven’t been able to find it lately.
mc79hockey mc79hockey @mc79hockey 1h
@JonathanWillis @BK_DobberNation @behindthenet 1 fight win = 1/80th of a win IIRC.
Gabriel Desjardins Gabriel Desjardins @behindthenet
@mc79hockey @JonathanWillis @BK_DobberNation Yeah, in that realm. Best fighter might be +20 fight wins per season = 0.25 wins
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The article to look at
Why not look at the article written in prweb.com, where Appleby is quoted
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/12/prweb9067643.htm
Here is one quote on the impact of fights, based on their statistical analysis:
“To gain a larger scope of the influence of fights on NHL games, the company analyzed 1,563 fights going back to the 09/10 season using their game archives. They have determined that a fight has a positive effect on at least one team’s momentum in 76% of fights…”
Nah, can’t be…might mean that Haley should have a place on this team.
Perhaps I am being obtuse
They have determined that a fight has a positive effect on at least one team’s momentum in 76% of fights…
Is there a less revelatory statement than that? What do they mean “at least one team’s”? Which one (i.e, the team currently losing the game? the team whose player won the fight?)?
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
It doesn't matter
It simply says fighting does have an impact on the game. I think we could all use common sense and say that most positive impacts will come from first standing up and being counted when called on, and then secondarily winning the fight.
But if that is counter-intuitve to you, so be it.
Bah, ha, ha, That's a press release from the PR firm that represents that stupid company, PowerScout.
PowerScout is a joke amongst the stats community and that webpage is a commercial for their company.
by TMS71 on Jan 3, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Press Release
It was in reference to KQ’s post which mentions that there was an article about the impact of fights during a game. I just posted it for all to read. Might be good to view the whole thing if you are going to draw any conclusions from it.
And your conclusion that Powerscout is a joke in the stats community comes from what?
From reading Arctic Ice Hockey and them discussing it there. All the stats guys go there and comment.
Gabe Desjardins runs it, Rob Vollman, Tyler Dellow and all the leading guys in NHL advanced stats frequent it and comment there. The consensus was that PowerScout doesn’t know what they’re doing.
Incidentally Arctic Ice Hockey (formerly Behindthenethockey) looked at the effect of fighting. They did find
a small positive effect from winning a fight. Search their archives for the post.
Just took a look at AIH
There is this exchange between Appleby and others, and seems Powerscout is handling it all very professionally.
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2011/2/14/1990847/power-scout-hockey-wants-feedback
The fact that Powerscout even looked for feedback from others (even competitors, I guess) is a feather in their cap and shows their desire to not only get it right but improve their product.
That's true.
I don’t know what their methodology was for assessing momentum but Gabe Desjardins did a study where he looked at who won the fights based on the voting on hockeyfights.com and looked at goal scoring following the fight and found a very small advantage for the team whose guy won the fight. I don’t remember the size of the effect but it was small. This question has been addressed before.
It was
.076 goal which equated to 1/80th of a win.
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And Gabe is even a fight fan, incidentally
He just doesn’t think fighters have much use on an NHL team.
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This is the puck prospectus/BTN article they were citing
http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=222
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Only proves the point
Desjardins is only saying winning the fight is less consequential than actually fighting, or having a physical presence. He only looked at fights won, and lets face it, most fights are draws anyway.
He says:
“This is not to say that aggressive and physical play won’t win games but upgrading their main fighter from Colton Orr to Donald Brashear won’t do anything for the New York Rangers.”
I don’t need to upgrade over Haley, I just want Haley.
But Powerscout still has the best analysis since they looked at all fights regardless of outcome, and then also the immediate impact of the fight as measured by momentum created (shots on goal).
If most fights are draws
I haven’t looked at it because the game is on, but if you are looking at a fight, regardless of outcome, and that momentum thing that could go in either direction, that is not a reliable in-game strategy.
For example, if Martin goes out, and gets his face punched in and the other team gains the momentum, how useful is that?
I’ll look at it later, but it sounds like research an agent might use to increase enforcer paychecks.
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Well, regardless...
Two statistical analyses and both showing some positive impact about fighting. As I said above, its much less about winning a fight than it is about showing up, and letting both your opponent and your teammates know that you can be counted on.
No one ever said a Haley means winning a Stanley Cup. But he means something. And when you can’t easily address the skill element (which the Isles cannot), you can easily address the grit element, which the Isles could do if they choose to.
Alas, they don’t.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Technically, every sequence has an impact on the game.
How do you measure the impact of a fight? Did the team winning the fight score a goal? Did the team losing the fight score a goal? etc. ad nauseum.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
Read the article
It says they used shots on goal. Not a bad indicator since it shows that not only is the puck in the other teams zone, but that you also are creating scoring chances.
I still think that the team that scores the most goals
has the greatest chance of winning the game.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
It's a conspiracy
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
They ask for stats, give them stats, and they ask how you calculate that
I don’t even need stats. i watch and listen. But that was pretty cool. Thank you for posting that.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Did my best
But I am sure there will be a problem somewhere.
lol
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody see carcillo's 5min boarding penalty on Gilbert?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGcq2rOf6S4
He’s getting a meeting with player safety for it and likely a suspension.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I'm really glad to see the Oilers scored on the ensuing PP
That was a terrible hit by Carcillo. What a piece of shit that guy is.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Puck Daddy's story on it
shows Carcillo doing the same exact thing to another guy earlier this year and being suspended for it.
I don’t know what or how long it’s going to take before guys don’t do that kind of shit. The answer is probably “nothing” and “never” until they start throwing them out of the league.
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by PGI on Jan 3, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Carcillo is likely getting a length suspension after this one. Expect double digit games taken from him and a hefty amount of his paycheck.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Carcillo's such a dirtbag
Good thing the Oilers dress enough tough guys to deter that sort of … oh never mind.
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by Dominik on Jan 4, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow its slow today
So howbout that Haley demotion? What a huge mistake, this team kissing its toughness goodbye again.
Also Pandalfo and Rolston suck.
:)
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 3, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
That's an interesting perspective on the Haley demotion. I'd always thought he was a lousy player but I hadn't considered
the impact that his toughness has. And if I’m to believe the opinions of many of the posters here on LHH a lack of toughness is really hindering this team and keeping them from reaching their full potential. This Haley demotion may be a big mistake. Also good points about Pandolfo and Rolston. Now that I think back on their play so far this year I have to agree that they have both sucked pretty badly. Its about time someone finally said it.
by TMS71 on Jan 3, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To be completely honest, Bailey's toughness as a player and hitting increased noticably when Martin started playing with him.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Jan 3, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That post was totally facetious. I've been very aware that people think Haleys' toughness is a major asset and that
Pandolfo and Rolston suck. I don’t agree with any of those 3 things though.
Isles need to get the bottom 3 lines going.
We need some production from Grabner, Okposo, Nielsen, Rolston, Bailey, Niederreiter. Reasoner should score a goal now and then too. Some of these guys can produce more than they have. Reasoner had 14 goals last year. He has 0. He’s not a great offensive player but he can do a lot better than this. I hope he gets 10 the rest of the way. That would help a lot. Nino has shown flashes. He looks overmatched at times and like he’s not accustomed to the NHL game but I think he’ll get more and more comfortable as the season wears on. He might have 6 or 7 goals the rest of the way. We could use them. Bailey has looked better but he can give us more. Frans, Kyle and Grabs have had their streaks but now they are cold – they can get hot too. Rolston is not nearly as bad as many think. He can get 7 or 8 the rest of the way. I think the Isles have some hot streaks in them but they need some production from these guys. I’m not expecting 35 goal pace or anything but 10-20 goal pace scoring from these bottom guys would be in improvement in a lot of cases.
I'm under the belief
that every forward who isn’t Tavares, Moulson, Martin and Parenteau should have at least 3+ goals each. The team is offensively more talented than this.
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They should, and they don't
Everyone keeps saying how much better Bailey is, and in the last 10 games he has 1 goal and 3 assists.
And thats during his improved streak.
Yikes.
well over a full season
That would be 32 points no? From a third line center, thats not horrible
I mean its definitely not splendid and id like more out of him but its not like he needs to be demoted, especially considering hes also a pretty decent defensive player
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
Don't want him demoted or traded for nothing
But this is his 4th year, not his first or second.
The bar seems to be set so low for a former first round pick that we say that he is improving on ‘1 goal and 3 assists’ in 10 games.
To fab’s point, this is one of the reasons why we have problems.
by JackandAce on Jan 3, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He does need to step it up
But this shouldnt have been his 4th year, it should be hist first.
If you have a kid graduate middle school then send him straight to college without any high school, hes going to fail no matter how many years hes been at it unless hes a genius
josh Bailey is not a genius (Superstar player), so hes just not gonna get it at this age without the proper development, which he hasnt got. So were gonna have to be patient with him
But i agree that our problems offensively can be summed up in Bailey’s “improvement”, being considered an improvement lol
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Staple's Tweet
Says DP and Mottau injured, being sent back to NY. Looks like Reese is coming back up as 7th D-Man
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Not exactly the 2 favorites of the fan base. Mottau has been playing a lot better though. Still Reese is probably an upgrade.
Who’s the backup goalie?
How did DP get hurt?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ppphhht
could be anything no?
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 3, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The better question may be
how hasn’t DP gotten hurt?
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
