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Islanders Bits, NHL Power Rankings: Inching Further

Our media and real NHL power rankings reflect the recent -- how do we put it? -- improving-but-hardly-rocketing results of the New York Islanders, who are 14-12-3 since Thanksgiving, with three shootout "wins" in that 14. That is not a playoff pace by any means but is better than what they looked like entering the American turkicide holiday.

Some snippets on the kids before we get to the rankings:

[Updated: Neil Greenberg of "Top 25 Under 25" fame was on the Backhand Shelf podcast with Justin Bourne and Rob Pizzo to discuss the snub. Begins at 28 minutes and ends at 40 minutes.]

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Survey of Media 'Power' Rankings

Well, look at this. The John Tavares-driven revival has altered how various media perceive the Islanders (for the moment), leading to the kind of one-week bump we've seldom seen in this exercise with this team over the past season and a half.

These all reflect last week's wins -- not this week's lone point from the home-and-home with Toronto -- so we'll see if and how the tone changes after the break, especially if the Islanders don't handle Carolina on the other side.

Things like this, and Evgeni Nabokov's Third Star of the Week nod over Jonas Hiller out West, make you wonder how much a star like Tavares draws attention to the team, attention that expresses itself in a variety of ways.

Outlet Rank Last Week Their Commentary
CBSSports 23 25
John Tavares has been on quite a roll recently, and he's starting to close in on the NHL's top-10 scorers list.
THN
(Proteau)
23 25
John Tavares on pace for a 51-assist, 84-point season; he already has five game-winning goals - one more than he did last season.
ESPN
(Burnside)
24 27 The Isles are showing a rare spasm of life, having won five of seven. Matt Moulson, John Tavares and P.A. Parenteau are on fire. Is Evgeni Nabokov playing himself into trade bait?
Sportsnet 19 23 John Tavares’ 12-game point streak (eight goals, 13 helpers) is the longest one the NHL has seen all season. Big reason why the Isles have won four of their last five, including decisive victories in Washington and Philly, and are making strides toward a respectable record.
TSN
(Cullen)
18 25 During John Tavares' 12-game point streak (8 G, 13 A, the longest in the NHL this season), the Islanders are 8-4 and have climbed to within nine points of eighth-place Washington in the East.
Fox 21
27 The Isles have won eight of 12 and find themselves in the playoff hunt backed by a stellar Evgeny Nabokov, who has won four straight while stopping 152 of his last 156 shots faced. John Tavares has an NHL season-best 12-game point streak.
Average
21.3
25.3 Apparently John Tavares was on a points streak of some sort.

For reference, here is last week's power rankings post.

Real Power Rankings

And now on to our weekly "real" power rankings courtesy of Mike, or ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles (who is the one you'll find tirelessly compiling FIG picks in the game thread), who conceived and delivers these week after week. They are calculated in true "power ranking" fashion -- i.e. how well teams fare based on their opponents' records.

This week sees another mild bump upward as the Islanders move into 25th (interestingly, Anaheim's win streak has them up to 24th). Edmonton and Buffalo both drop behind the Isles compared to last week.

Once again, these (as well as most of the media rankings above) reflect results through Sunday's games,



W L OTL Pts Pct PWR
1 Smurfs 30 12 4 64 0.696 2054
2 St. Louis 29 12 6 64 0.681 2015
3 Boston 31 13 2 64 0.696 1982
4 Detroit 32 15 1 65 0.677 1974
5 Vancouver 29 15 4 62 0.646 1911
6 San Jose 26 14 5 57 0.633 1878
7 Chicago 29 14 6 64 0.653 1857
8 Philadelphia 28 14 5 61 0.649 1854
9 Nashville 28 16 4 60 0.625 1780
10 Pittsburgh 27 17 4 58 0.604 1744
11 Los Angeles 23 16 10 56 0.571 1734
12 Ottawa 27 17 6 60 0.600 1718
13 Florida 22 15 10 54 0.574 1675
14 Colorado 26 22 2 54 0.540 1647
15 Minnesota 23 18 7 53 0.552 1637
16 Washington 25 19 3 53 0.564 1633
17 New Jersey 26 19 2 54 0.574 1628
18 Toronto 23 19 5 51 0.543 1564
19 Dallas 24 21 2 50 0.532 1563
20 Calgary 23 20 6 52 0.531 1560
21 Phoenix 21 20 8 50 0.510 1513
22 Winnipeg 22 20 6 50 0.521 1499
23 Montreal 18 21 9 45 0.469 1434
24 Anaheim 18 22 7 43 0.457 1418
25 NY Islanders 19 21 6 44 0.478 1394
26 Tampa Bay 20 23 4 44 0.468 1375
27 Carolina 17 24 9 43 0.430 1305
28 Buffalo 19 24 5 43 0.448 1298
29 Edmonton 17 26 4 38 0.404 1268
30 Columbus 13 28 6 32 0.340 1009

As Mike said, at this rate of upward movement, they'll be in first place by June.

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The Isles are showing a rare spasm of life

God I hate Burnside. It’s so rare that the Isles show a spasm of life that they had one of the best records in the Eastern Conference last season after November and were one of the few teams in the league with 3 30 goal scorers. What a douche.

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by Mark D on Jan 25, 2012 1:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Scott Burnside, everyone!

Every party needs a pooper.

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by PGI on Jan 25, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahahaha

Now, if we could just use our interocetor to maroon Burnside in some random alien’s shower – we’re in business.

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by mikb on Jan 25, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Post updated

with Greenberg appearance on Backhand Shelf podcast o defend JT snub.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/01/25/backhand-shelf-podcast-with-espns-neil-greenberg/
Begins at 28 min, ends at 40 min.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 25, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

wow

he makes no sense what so ever, and it seems like JT isn’t getting sheltered minutes this season

islanders hockey, making a sane person go insane during finals week

by DarthDoyle on Jan 25, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

his argument is just terrible but the guys talking to him don't know enough to challenge him

Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.

by ArsenalLI on Jan 25, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

So Greenberg is a Ranger Fan

Surprise Surprise

No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring

by Anarcurt on Jan 25, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Errr He's a Caps guy mainly. Tracks Caps games.

Can we not accuse of bias here?

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by garik16 on Jan 25, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So, in other words

He’s used to stubborn self-delusion!

He’s a joke, I’m glad Justin & Rob told him they disagreed to his face, and the comments on the site are good. This guy doesn’t seem to have anyone sympathetic to his list. Too bad he didn’t mention his trademark CPI.

by brother_rat on Jan 25, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The "fans" are defending "their" guy

I know Stars fans, Preds fans, Rags fans, Flyer fans, Aves fans, Wild fans and Wings fans and they all think the guy is a tool.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 25, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It's annoying how much he relies on O-zone

He acts like without that small advantage, Tavares could believably be a 30-point player.

O-zone % is great at determining how a coaching staff uses a guy — usually based on already known talent about the player. It’s not something that magically turns a 30-pt. scrub into a 70-pt. dynamo. In a game of thin margins and little ways to improve your odds by small degrees, giving your best O guy more O-zone faceoffs helps.

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by Dominik on Jan 25, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What's even more annoying

If they DID use Tavares for heavy defensive minutes and he WAS only a 35 or 40 point player, then Greenberg would chirp at him for that, and call him a bust, and ignore the O-zone usage. He began with a conclusion and tailored the argument to fit.

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by mikb on Jan 26, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

my calculations

I tried to do some back-of-the-envelope calculations last summer here for the Sedins. I’m still really not sure if it’s correct what I’m doing here. But anyway, my guess was Daniel’s zone starts (roughly 74.5 % last season – btw he’s up to 79.8 this year…) inflated the goals scored when he was on by about 10 goals. But he only would have earned a point on maybe 7 or 8 of these goals, so I’d have guessed his point total last season was inflated by about 7, 8 points compared to someone who got average zone starts. JT got not even half as extreme zone starts last season and thus I’d say his point total was inflated by at most 4 points last season. Since JT’s been given about the same percentage of o-zone starts this season, but just generally clearly more starts in total, that number might be a little higher (maybe 6 goals) at the end of this season.
(Obviously, the point total can be further inflated by quality of competition, PP time, etc., but at least the latter never seemed to be a point Greenberg tried to make.)

For the plus/minus stat it’s of course a bigger deal because every goal does count there indeed and the effect should not be underestimated there. Obviously, Sedin’s numbers there are not only inflated on the plus side, but also on the minus side because he gives up fewer shots thanks to the zone starts. So, his number there probably was inflated by close to 20 goals last season. And on the other hand, the numbers of the guys starting in the own zone most of the time are maybe about 10 goals worse just due to the zone starts. So, if you want to compare Sedin’s +/- with Malhotra’s you need to maybe adjust it for about 30 goals in total (not that comparing +/- makes too much sense given quality of competition, PDO differences, etc.).

by BenHasna on Jan 26, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think the url for the Tim Thomas article was deliberate?

They took the headline — Team is used to Thomas’s ways — so the url reads like:

www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2012/01/25/tim_thomass_white_house_snub_no_surprise_to_bruins/?page=full

Thomass? Very subversive, boston.com.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 25, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure if he was justified not to show up at the White House, but...

…he is right that the federal government (both parties included) has too much power. I’d like to see a United States in which each individual state has the freedom to take chances and be unique. The amount of big-government is scary right now. Too much power in the hands of too few disconnected politicians.

If Thomas’s snub helps to bring attention to that issue, I think it’s a good thing.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What amazes me is reaction to his decision

This is America. He has the right to decline the invitation that is the beauty of living in America. However, the real problem I have is that anyone who says you should automatically respect the president or the office of the president needs to pick up a history book. If our founding fathers, who believed gov’t was a necessary evil, heard that they would roll over in their graves.

I’d also add, in line with your thinking, that our gov’t is out of control and not doing it’s job, which is serving and protecting it’s citizens. Respect is earned not automatic and it’s been a long time in many peoples’ opinions since the gov’t has earned our respect.

Kudos to TT.

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by NYI_22 on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Not sure if these is a real historic quote but I remeber it from V for Vendeta...

People should not be afraid of their government; the government should be afraid of their people

And on that note, the real reason he didn’t go is probably cause he didn’t want to see Kaberle again.

by 54_Fighting on Jan 25, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If I was Obama

I would have refused to go because of Kaberle. “What? You? Beat it, you cup vulture. Their power play was shit during the playoffs.”

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by PGI on Jan 25, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks TT

Now I have yet another reason to root against the Boston Ruins

by Torch7 on Jan 25, 2012 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

very good reply

Wouldn’t it be nice if the Constitution was followed? NDRE’s comments on the states would be the norm. And I agree, TT did what he thought was right (I a gree, BTW) and he didn’t hurt anyone. He could not have done that anywhere else.

On to hockey.

by martylnd on Jan 25, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The Constitution is being followed very well thank you

It hasn’t gone anywhere. We are using it right now

TT is still a jack arse

But back to hockey

by Torch7 on Jan 25, 2012 9:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I’d like to see a United States in which each individual state has the freedom to take chances and be unique.

They tried that with the Articles of Confederation. Didn’t really work out so well.

by afrosupreme on Jan 25, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually....

What about the 10th amendment?

by martylnd on Jan 25, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a perfect ten!!!

Sexy little amendment that ten

by Torch7 on Jan 25, 2012 10:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nah - it's standard for URLs to omit apostrophes.

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by Dominik on Jan 25, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Then we go back to the Thomas' vs Thomas's discussion

They had an option to go one route or another. They chose the one that spelled ‘ass.’

I will continue to enjoy my half-baked conspiracy theories despite your protestations. Takes the sting out of the last two nights.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 25, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

:)

As an example, see last night’s recap: What’s a high stick anyway?
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2012/1/24/2731364/maple-leafs-4-islanders-3-ot-whats-a-high-stick-anyway

I assume this is so because the big government is trying to control my right to make URLs however I want.

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by Dominik on Jan 25, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Every day I check my mailbox for my White House invitation

Just so I can decline it and post the reason for declining on my facebook page in a Broad, Somewhat (but Probably Intentional) Contradicting Way Highlighted with Questionable Use of Caps.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 25, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I distinctly recall waiting for an invite after my Little League district championship

A crushing blow that started me on a reality check: Obviously you have to be a millionaire to get a championship invitation from the W.H.

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by Dominik on Jan 25, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

So, what you're saying is

if Dumba eventually wins a cup and his family is invited to the White House, but the Dumbas decline…..

by 4PeatSake on Jan 25, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Birthday Gift to Myself

Taking a road trip to the Coli in Feb.
Thinking of making a sign:
“Neil Greenberg: Top 25 Journalist with IQ under 25”

Too long?
Not catchy enough?

by Bleuchz on Jan 25, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Funny

But if anyone around your seats gets the reference, I’d be very, very surprised.

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by PGI on Jan 25, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I can think of 25 better journalists with IQs under 25.

But yeah, I like it!

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Top 25 Journalist with IQ under 25

Neil Greenberg, you qualify but you didn’t make the list.

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by NYI_22 on Jan 25, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG! John Tonelli goes to MSG?

We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!

by Russel Ginart on Jan 25, 2012 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

Bidness is bidness

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by Dominik on Jan 25, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Served him and his 'guys' drinks

They came to my bar (inside MSG) during Isles/Rags game before Christmas.

Big Tipper!! NICE!!! And I didn’t even have to tell him I’m an Isles fan.

OT — but quality tipping related — Ivan Nova from Yankees is a cheap punk! He bought his friends $125 worth of drinks…. No tip!

by jonny4gets on Jan 26, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I through John Rocker out of a club I worked in

I worked the front door, but I saw him in line and called a doorman to replace me who had no clue about sports, and I knew he wouldn’t know who he was. After asking for the VIP section that didn’t exist, the woman who was with him said:

“Do you know who this is?”

Doorman: “Ummmmm no.”

Hahahahahahahah.

He lasted about ten minutes and we threw him out for yelling at a female bartender. Total douche.

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

*threw

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope both of these comments (yours and jonny's) are read far and wide.

But the post is sliding down the front page.

Always be curteous to the club/restauarnt staff, kids!

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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 26, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The original JT................John Tonelli!

We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!

by Russel Ginart on Jan 25, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions  


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