John Tavares – The Anti-Islander
In his last 14 games, John Tavares has 22 points (9 goals, 13 assists). After finishing with 24 goals his rookie season and 29 as a sophomore, he already has 20 though 48 games this season. This weekend, he'll participate in this first All Star game in Ottawa.
But it’s two written articles related to the young center that really have Islanders fans buzzing lately.
The first, an ESPN.com list of the Top 25 NHL players under 25 years of age, omitted Tavares in favor of several players who most casual observers would classify as less talented. There was enough of a response to Tavares’ absence that writer Neil Greenberg penned a follow-up article explaining why he left Tavares off the list. According the Greenberg, the difference was that Tavares has only two full NHL seasons with no playoff appearances and is lacking in a few team-related stats as well as a nebulous “clutch performance” stat of Greenberg’s own devising. While Greenberg’s response was surprising and appreciated, it did little to calm fans’ feelings that their guy had been snubbed, and has been refuted using both statistics (from LHH’s own Garik16) and snark (from Islanders play-by-play voice Howie Rose).
The second and most recent article is a cover story in The Hockey News which features a picture of Tavares and the word “STRANDED” in bold letters across the headline. The feature, written by Ryan Kennedy, asserts that Tavares has not “saved” the Islanders in the way that Sidney Crosby or Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane have lifted their franchises because his teammates are simply not good hockey players. Kennedy cites no stats or in-depth analysis. He references the early season benching of Kyle Okposo, the offensive struggles of Josh Bailey, the low draft position of free agent pick-ups Matt Moulson and P.A. Parenteau and the failures of the 2003 NHL Entry Draft as evidence that Tavares’ time on Long Island may be wasted.
A common thread in both cases is that Tavares, a deft playmaker with excellent hands and vision, is being marginalized or penalized for the many past sins of Islanders mismanagement throughout the decades. It’s not a secret that the Islanders have been one of the NHL’s worst teams over the past several seasons and have spent a better part of the last two decades in the bottom half of the standings. But for Tavares to be painted with that same drab brush is unfair for one reason that’s already evident in his still young career.
John Tavares is the exact opposite of everything that has categorized Islanders hockey in the post-Dynasty era. He is the antithesis of what Islanders fans have come to know and loathe about their team. Complaining about the Tavares articles isn’t only sour grapes from Islanders fans. The articles matter because if the Islanders are ever going to escape the ghetto that’s been assigned to them, they’re going to need to mold themselves as Tavares’ reflection.
The Islanders front office is often described as “dysfunctional” or “bizarre” and the team as “the worst run franchise in sports.” They have a reputation for poorly drafting, managing and developing their prospects. They are spoken of mainly in terms of lopsided trades and ill-advised contracts. They are kicked around as a franchise that could easily be relocated to accommodate a new NHL market. Their players might as well wear one of two nameplates; “who is that?” and “he’s still in the league?” They’re barely covered by their own hometown newspaper and are either dismissed or ridiculed by visiting media. Every move they make, even ones logical on hockey terms, are held up for jokes. Their home arena, the ancient Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, is the target of just as many barbs as the team and is a concrete symbol of the Islanders irrelevant last two decades.
Tavares exhibits none of these qualities. As a hockey prodigy in the Toronto area, Tavares has been scouted and scrutinized for most of his life. He broke junior league scoring records and became a much-talked about name years before he was even drafted. He is far and away the Islanders’ most notable player (save Rick DiPietro, for all the wrong reasons) and is the one guy every fan in the opposing arena is going to have heard about. Out-of-town media almost always feature Tavares in their preview stories before games against the Islanders, usually under the headline, “To beat Islanders, TEAM X must stop Tavares.”
There was a brief time last season when there may have been a debate as to whether the Islanders had made yet another draft blunder when they selected Tavares first overall in 2009. He jumped right onto the Islanders as an 18-year-old and aside from the usual rookie ups and downs, he did not look out of place in the NHL and played a full season. Tavares’ improvement on offense over two and a half seasons, his calm professional personality and his propensity this season to control games and literally drive his team on the ice have buried any arguments about his draft position or development.
His statistics only tell part of Tavares' story this season. Despite a 13-game goal drought, Tavares has been a consistent force on the ice on every shift. When his line is on, there's an anticipation that something - goals, shots, an aggressive forecheck, a breakaway - will happen in the Islanders favor. It's not an exaggeration to say that he has not taken a minute off in any game this season. His skating, always thought of as his biggest weakness, and his strength on the puck have improved by leaps and bounds thanks to a new off-season training regimen (just ask Max Talbot and Nazim Kadri, two recent opponents who tried to knock Tavares off the puck only to end up watching him skate away while sitting on their butts).
He's currently in the NHL's top 25 in points, as are Moulson and Parenteau, two of his "inferior" teammates. To claim the Islanders have superstars at every position is absurd. But so is holding it against Tavares that he's not lined up with players like Evgeni Malkin, Jordan Staal, Marian Hossa or Duncan Keith. Rehashing the 2003 Draft, conducted under a different Islanders management team when Tavares was 12 years old, is irrelevant to his future with the team. Citing a lack of playoff appearances, which usually happen because 20 or so teammates play well as a unit over a full season, as an argument that one guy isn’t as good as everyone says is borderline delusional.
Named one of the alternates under captain Mark Streit, Tavares started out this season wearing the A only for home games, but has recently been sporting a letter full time. His leadership is visible both in his play and his general demeanor on the ice. Even Streit says he’s a strong voice out there and has matured and asserted himself more often since his first two seasons. There is no doubt that when the time comes to name Streit’s successor, Tavares will get the call.
Tavares signed a six-year contract extension with the Islanders last summer before his entry level contract even expired. When he signed the deal, a Toronto radio host asked, “why would he do this?” The answer is because Tavares is obviously committed to the franchise and to Long Island, and he has been nothing but complimentary and respectful towards his new home. The contract is not a shocking leap of faith like DiPietro’s 15-year deal, nor is it a gross overpayment for a talented but overrated player like Alexei Yashin’s 8-year, $80 million contract was. Tavares’ pact represents a fair deal for both a player who has demonstrated a great but still improving skill level and a desire to win and the team that needs to build a sustained culture of success around him.
Tavares cannot, unfortunately, straighten out the political webs that have held up construction of a new arena for nearly three decades. But he is currently the focus of nearly all of the Islanders’ promotional efforts and advertising. A quick look around the stands at the amount of No. 91 jerseys and T-shirts tells us that the word of Tavares is spreading. He has said in multiple interviews this week that he'll be proud to represent the Islanders in the league's showcase All Star Weekend.
The Islanders fall from competency was brought about by a toxic mix of impatience, instability and incompetence by a great many people over a very long period of time. Bad ownership, bad executives, bad players and a bad arena tied up in bad deals with bad politicians and bad corporations have pushed the Islanders to the far, far edges of the hockey world.
Their march back to respectability centers around Tavares. He personifies what the Islanders can and should be in the future – talented, motivated and driven to winning on Long Island. He is what fans want the Islanders to be. And if this franchise is ever to break from the grotesque cocoon it's wrapped itself in, it will need to view, treat and exemplify Tavares as not just a player, but as a prototype.
(edit: changed "scoring" to "points" in paragraph 10)
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TEAM X can not stop Tavares
they can only hope to contain him
Still feels weird cheering for Nabokov
But seriously
You know, for a while I was down on the idea of Tavares being captain because he didn’t necessarily seem like a leader, even if the was the most skilled player on the team. But now?
Heck, he’s blown past Okposo et al in my “who should be captain after Mark Streit” list.
Still feels weird cheering for Nabokov
I saw that THN story
(Source: I believe it’s through Kevin at IPB)
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by Dominik on Jan 25, 2012 4:23 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
My favorite part
is in the blue circle at the top.
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by Pretty Good Idiot on Jan 25, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Headline: MAGICAL
Oh, wait, that’s the fantasy What-If variant cover… the one with Tavares in a Leafs uni.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 25, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that is really the crux of everything that comes from that rag and this league, everything has become Torontoized
and disparaging JT in hopes of getting him in a gay Leafs sweater has to be in the back of some of these jokers minds.
by ATL Jim on Jan 26, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I do love this sort of joke
there are Easter Eggs everywhere….“Blake Comeau explains his orbit”
Excellent summary!
You must be a jounalist disguised as one of us amateurs. Bottom line: He Tavares and [WE] need help in the form of more talented players to help his and the teams development. Unfortunately patience with the rebuild is not enough IMO, because we don’t have the luxury of time. The bottom line as usual is money. Money for better established players to complement our prospects and to help with a new building. Unfortunately they are intertwined and it s a litlle of the “which comes first – the Chicken or the Egg?” Wang has undoubtedly done a lot to keep the franchise going, but he needs to do more. – the Question is – Will he?
Nice article PGI
I often wonder how different the overall perception of Tavares would be had he would of been drafted by a bigger market team. I actually don’t really mind that he gets no respect from the anti-isle biased media. It allows him to fly under the radar is ways not possible had he been drafted by say, Toronto, and that cant be a bad thing
Nice work PGI
I actually read the STRANDED article today. i find it funny that it quotes Rolston and Mottau as sources detailing what’s right about tavares, and what’s wrong with the islanders. If they had any sense of what was wrong with the islanders they would have retired before the season started.
JT is just fine. The Islanders are painfully headed in the right direction. It’s not like he’s the first Star that carried a team for a few years while the team grew around him. Anybody remember Denis Potvin.
A nation was pretty pissed that they let that one get away too. When 91 is hanging next to 5 in the rafters it should be with three or four more Stanley Cup banners… that’s when you write the story… when it’s over.
I believe in ELI! Go Blue!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 25, 2012 9:04 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I noticed that too
It sounded like they were going for the “veterans who have been with other teams” angle or something, thus using Streit as well (unless that was the “quote from sage captain” angle).
I was picturing the others saying, “Yeah, he hasn’t played Xbox with us nearly as much this year.”
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Can you read that article online?
Not like I can buy the hockey news in my town anymore.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
" i find it funny that it quotes Rolston and Mottau as sources detailing what’s right about tavares, and what’s wrong with the islanders"

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that's a classic
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I don't know what they said
But they should be the last 2 morons complaining.
In fact, the other players should be complaining about them. We have some pretty cool players on our teamed dragged down by these guys, and they’re complaining?
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not really complaining...
but it’s the whole, “this team needs more veteran leadership”, feel.
This whole dynamic has been handled improperly, either by necessity or by stupidity.
2008 was a HUGE fail. They had some leadership, but it was pulling in an opposite direction from the coaching staff. They also had two young prospects dealing with that… so LAST PLACE.
2009 was a contiuation of that, and instead of finding more SCOTT GORDON type players they added JT to the mix, and little else. Moulson?
2010 veteran defenders like eaton, mottau and wizniewski are brought in but all we really got was a half season of Wiz and two lost causes. Still.. no help for young forward prospects. Grabner… Rookie. Parentau… basically a rookie himself.
2011 those prospects are now vets themselves. and you bring in two UBER-VETS… and I don’t mean that in a good way. That 2008 draft is starting to pay off large with players like Hamonic on D and Martin and Ullstrom ready to help Bailey… but we clog the teams arteries with… well.. you know who.
So what they are talking about is what they needed (PAST TENSE). Now they just need TALENT… and that’s something not provided by SprayAndPray.
Hopefully the second half will be more about 2012-13 and working young professionals into the mix, and letting them work the kinks out at the NHL level.
I believe in ELI! Go Blue!
@JPinVA
I have said many times i understand after last season trying to get some vets
My biggest problem I have is sticking with them so long.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think I'm on the other side of that...
I wanted to see more vets in 2008 and 2009. Last year I wanted to see talent, whatever age it came in. Guys like Streit, Nielsen, and most of the defense isn’t young.
This is why I liked the Reasoner signing. He filled a need, and wasn’t a scrap heap guess… but may be that after this contract expires (funny how that stuff works out)
But the forwards are not “kids” anymore… and they should never be kids again. THat’s why signing PAP and Frans is so important. Molson is no fluke. Grabner may not put up 35, but his hockey production is there night in and night out. JT, Bails and Okposo are young, but they’ve all played 200 NHL games, in important roles.
NO MORE VETS for the sake of having MORE VETS!
I believe in ELI! Go Blue!
@JPinVA
Read USA Hockey's latest issue on Captains and leadership?
Rolston was featured as a leader on Long Island. I think he was made available to the media across the entire North American continent to fill provide quotes for these articles.
The key is...
USA Hockey. Rolston is a big deal in USA hockey. Snow seems to want to build that brand along with the Islanders… unfortunately the two biggest US Hockey products are DP and Rolston right now.
HIS coaches have been Gordon (BC) and Capuano (Maine), though Cappy was in the organization for quite some time.
Players like Montoya (hopefully) and Donovan will help change that. It’s pretty weak when the best you can do is Guerin, Weight, Rolston, Eaton, Mottau, Reasoner, Reese, Dipietro and Pandolfo.
US HOCKEY = CAP MULES when it comes to the NY ISLANDERS.
LAST THREE DRAFTS
2011: 34 Mayfield
2011: 95 Russo
2010: 30 Nelson
2010: 82 Clark (already off the radar)
2009: 152 Lee
Hopefully Mayfield, Russo, Nelson and Lee will improve the TEAM USA profile in the orgainzation.
I believe in ELI! Go Blue!
@JPinVA
KO is an American too
Everyday when I say my prayers, I play Montoya or KO will play on the next olympic team.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
How stupid of me...
He didn’t fit any of my “agenda” sets… so I dropped him off my mental list. I’m old, it happens.
He’s by far the top US player on the team, and may be the best going forward. He also illustrates the gap in mindset from junior vs NCAA. Kyle is a pure hockey player who probably never had a coach tap him on the shoulder and say, “Kyle, 18 is messing with Jones all night… you need to end that”
Guys with his size and strength probably have gotten that tap at least once in junior (just speculating), if for nothing else to see how they respond. I think a full year with Nolan would have changed him as a player… and you can see how a full year with Cappy is starting to get to him.
At least Cappy gets it… I wonder if Gordon will learn it in TOR, or if he’ll just have to take a U job when one comes up.
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@JPinVA
I had no idea you felt that way.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 26, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
You could put that response...
after every JPinVA post. I’m sure after 5 or 6 years it’s all old to you. But I’m suffering from early onset dimensia… so it’s all new to me.
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@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 27, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL!!!!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 27, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Not like he's busy doing anything else.
Like, I dunno, playing hockey. Scoring goals. You know, shit like that.
by Les Beaver on Jan 26, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Novel idea but if those two thought the Isles needed more veteran leadership perhaps they would try providing it? I guess they are not capable of doing so. #deadweight
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by NYI_22 on Jan 26, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
THE FOURTH LINE
after the break should be Rolston-Pandolfo-Wallace…. aka THE DEADLINE… because that will be the last time we see them in Islander uniforms.
Pandolfo has done what we asked, but by the deadline they’ll be out of it so far that they’ll need to see what a guy like Rhett can do with those minutes as opposed to wasting TOI on a guy that won’t be there next year.
Rolston’s $5M won’t mean that much to the CAP FLOOR as we have been over it long enough to compensate for his disappearence. But it will still count if he’s in the press box, or Bridgeport… so he’ll be exiled in favor of Haley or Dibo… younger guys with different roles that have more value than Brian Rolston.
Wallace, like Pandolfo, has given his all… even though he’s improved the fourth line dynamic, it’s time to improve the fourth line’s potential. Not a big deal, except when you think of a talent like Nino who is being wasted with the likes of Jay Pandolfo. We need to know if he can score given the opportunity to do so…. or does he need to spend next year in the A.
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@JPinVA
I meant to mention that
I don’t remember Tavares even being quoted in the article. Mostly Streit. Which is odd since the article was, essentially, about just him.
The link to today’s Puck Daddy article about the Blue Jackets maybe trading Jeff Carter contains a link to a Portzline post about how Columbus’ biggest problem is not having anyone from a winning hockey background on the staff. While I think he overstates things just a little, he has a point. I think that’s why the Islanders have every ex-Devil except for Alain Chevrier and Bruce Driver working for them. Plus, obviously, Doug Weight.
Not saying it’s right or it makes sense just that I think that was an issue they were trying to address.
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by Pretty Good Idiot on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Alain Chevrier!
Awesome.
My wife is a Devs fan, and she said her favorite players were Valeri Zelepukin and Sergei Brylin. She has a good ear for hockey names. She remains agnostic on Dainius Zubrus, however.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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shame on her
roughly translated, dainius zubrus means zebras that eat you… what’s not to love?
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So many classic lines...
The Islanders fall from competency was brought about by a toxic mix of impatience, instability and incompetence by a great many people over a very long period of time. Bad ownership, bad executives, bad players and a bad arena tied up in bad deals with bad politicians and bad corporations have pushed the Islanders to the far, far edges of the hockey world.
But I’m saving this one for notes before my next interview.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
It was a really good read.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
You could make a good profit...
…selling adjectives to this magazine.
“Bad politicians.” Ha!
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 26, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Bloody brilliant, PGI
You've made my top 26.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 25, 2012 11:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's just so upsetting that FA's often refuse to sign here.
because if we did have 1 or 2 top FA’s… and moved everyone currently on our team, sans Tavares down a couple notches in where they stand in on lines and they are incredible talents at those positions.
(i.e. Nielsen at a 3rd line center, PAP on a 3rd line, Grabs on a 3rd line, Hamonic as a 2nd D pair, AMac as a 2nd D pair)
obviously you can’t throw everyone on the 3rd line… but solid guys that could get MM and KO minutes or even MG and PAP minutes releases the stress on all the other guys and keeps them pretty fresh.
I love the Islanders and I love all the players (for the most part) and I think they are great but I think that most of them are asked to do way too much for this team, and it’s not fair to their career at all and it sucks.
Here’s hoping Strome’s as good as advertised and de Haan/Donovan turn in to what we expect and maybe just one day.. we can get a big name, big talent guy to come on board.
by BaltimoreIslander on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 PM EST reply actions
ZP
A ufa like Zach perhaps? Kyle’s uptick in production along side JT and his friendship with him hopefully means Parise will listen to an offer at least… Oh would they make for one sick line…
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by bob l on Jan 26, 2012 12:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
This season has made me very anti-Devil
but I suppose I could make an exception for JP
as of note I went to capgeek to try and search for some ufa’s for next year…. and I found out that of them… Rolston is #7 on that list in terms of cap hit at around 5 million… wow do I hate him… but now I understand why he still plays a little more…
by BaltimoreIslander on Jan 26, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I dont care!!
What the other teams or there media outlets or any media outlet for that matter say about JT or the rest of the team. I Know myself how good Jt is & how good this team can be we have played very good hockey in parts this season, there is talent there with a little more consistency & some luck this could be a playoff team. But we do need more production from just the top line. Anyway the Islanders are my team through thick & thin.
3 Teams 3 Different Sports Same Torture!!!
by Kung Fu Panda 48 on Jan 26, 2012 4:22 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
if Toronto wants him...
Just give us Kessel, Lupul, all of your other best players/prospects, pay 80% of their salaries, and take on our bad contracts. and they can have JT along with nothing else that’s good.
they actually might agree to that. haha.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
If I'm Charles Wang...
“He personifies what the Islanders can and should be in the future – talented, motivated and driven to winning on Long Island. He is what fans want the Islanders to be.”
Yes indeed. And if I’m Charles, successful businessman, I take note that the one important asset I ‘own’ is in fact John Tavares. I would not need to have played hockey to know that this one individual is the one asset that must be protected at all costs- that asset is the present and future of my business. And I am, if nothing else, a bottom line guy.
Which brings us back to what we have witnessed in the last couple of games, and what we can expect in most games going forward. And that is the effort by each team to nullify the one guy on the Islanders who can beat us- Tavares. Game planning the Islanders is easy- hit Tavares, and hit him often. In the last 2 games we have seen Tavares slumped over the bench after a head shot behind the net, and we have seen him cross check opponents in frustration. All part of hockey? Of course. But does anyone think we won’t be seeing more of that during the second half? Tavares will be singled out for just such treatment by opponents, rather than it be just an isolated incident.
So, how does Charles insure this one singular asset is protected? Well, we can depend on the refs, but that did not work out to well last game. What we should do, is look to what almost every single team has done in hockey history, and that is to have at least one, if not even two, enforcers. I need not post here all the great players who had tough guys on the bench to protect them. It is hockey history. It would be more interesting to note those who did not have that, since it would be such a small number.
The Islanders do not currently have that protection for their one important asset. Martin is not that guy, as much as I love him. This is, in my opinion, negligence. It may not hurt us next game, or this week, but it very well may soon enough. And that is a chance the Islanders absolutely cannot take. Quite honestly, If I’m Charles, I know I’m not winning the Stanley Cup this year, so it is more important that I have someone on the bench to protect my asset than it is to have half a dozen current Islanders who never will contribute anything to my winning that ultimate prize.
And if I’m Charles, I never do anything to put my business in jeopardy.
“So, how does Charles insure this one singular asset is protected? Well, we can depend on the refs, but that did not work out to well last game. What we should do, is look to what almost every single team has done in hockey history, and that is to have at least one, if not even two, enforcers.”
Kyle Okposo: “you f’ing touch him, i’ll f’ing kill you.”
haha. not that KO is the answer to that, but this is where Haley and Gillies would come in. I agree that JT would need an enforcer around to make sure no one touches the golden child.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
No enforcer is coming
I think the fact they played Reasoner, Pandalfo, Wallace and Rolston over them this longs means the enforcer is not coming. It seems to me they are trying to distance themselves from the Pens game last year. Sucks. Hopefully JT stays intact. Hopefully all the kids do.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I have thought about this as well
I recently finished Adam Proteau’s “Fighting the Good Fight” book about NHL violence. As you can imagine, the Feb Islanders-Penguins game plays a prominent role. Last season, they had 68 fighting majors. This year – 14, near the bottom of the league.
I have a strong feeling that Snow and/or Wang was deeply embarrassed by last season’s team and have made a conscious decision to change the team’s image. I plan on posing this question to Proteau in an e-mail soon, but I don’t expect a response, or at least a response that’s not “Root for another team.”
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by Pretty Good Idiot on Jan 26, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Please remind Proteau that the Penguins currently have 25 (top 10 in the league)
I won’t read his stuff, I find him to be an anti-American pontificating poseur, but I wouldn’t mind you asking him to clarify.
by Hockey1919 on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The book really isn't anything relevatory, by the way
Just more of the same. “League turns a blind eye because they’re old, think they’ll lose money, etc.”
He doesn’t piss on the Islanders organization specifically (for once), just on the players and fighting in general. And he holds up Lemieux’s whining as a noble gesture. Despite the fact that his guys were throwing hands, too, that day.
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by Pretty Good Idiot on Jan 26, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling they will feel different IF JT gets hurt
What I find funny if that is true, is that they are going out of the way to not be the same way last season and are even more disrespected this season from the league, refs and other fans.
Just another great idea from Chuck. You won’t get me to believe that Garth doesn’t like the tough guys, he was a very tough goalie, we all know that.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I don't whether I'm right or wrong about that theory
On one had, I can respect the idea of a (mostly) non-fighting team. The Red Wings are dead last in the NHL with seven fights. Of course, 29 other teams out there aren’t the Red Wings for many, many reasons. And building a team like that is going to take a very long time.
On the other hand, I would love to see how this team plays with Haley, or even Gillies, on the fourth line. Just as an experiment.
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by Pretty Good Idiot on Jan 26, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I read somewhere that 8 out of the 10 ten fighting teams are top ten in points
True about the Red Wings, but their forwards play more physical even if they don’t fight. Also, just a hunch, but I’m doubting the refs would let Lidstrom or Fransen to get treated like the Leafs treated JT. And now more teams will treat him that way after seeiing that, imo.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
"So, how does Charles insure this one singular asset is protected? Well, we can depend on the refs, but that did not work out to well last game. "
How could anybody think the refs will protect any of our players after the way they’ve treated us this season?
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome PGI
I always say that JT is determined to change the culture here.
We have Him, Hammer, Matty MO, Ko, Matty Marts and A-Mac, and they can help him.
Re-sign PaP and Fransy, and cut the old skating dead guys.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 10:36 AM EST reply actions
We don't need goons to protect him
But we still need the big 2 way threat on a third line besides Martin to keep the other side honest.
and hence enter
Anders Lee, Nino, Cizikas (may not be big, but has a huge heart), Ullstrom, Matt Martin all big players who play with a physical edge. Soon enough we will be boasting a large sized set of forwards.
by ghalbart on Jan 26, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good article
would disagree with 2 minor details.
He’s currently in the NHL’s top 25 in scoring, as are Moulson and Parenteauin points, not scoring.
PAP has 10 goals (currently 135th).
They’re barely covered by their own hometown newspaper
assuming Newsday: Staple – and Strang previously – has an article almost everday in the paper. Sometimes an article and a blurb. Sometimes an arena story in the front pages. That’s good coverage. What more would you want? The team isn’t exactly providing much in the way of interviews. The GM and owner are rarely available tot he media for even comments. Since the owner is friends with the publisher, it’s safe to argue that the team coverage is how Wang likes it: an article a day and little in the way of harsh criticism or pointed remarks. Not an easy team to write for given the editor works for a publisher who “prefers” to promote his own team which sits atop the Eastern Conf standings.
Thanks
I’ll make that change. Like NDRE said, I meant points. I didn’t realize there was a difference.
As for Newsday, I just feel they could do a lot more in the way of hockey coverage, for all teams. Aside from game stories, short off-day features on random players and arena stuff, which is really more of the same garbage from politicians over and over again, they could do so much more. Again, I agree that the Islanders don’t do themselves many favors by not being very good and that Snow and Wang don’t do a lot of talking, which adds to the skepticism the team is viewed with. But there are other topics to explore within the NHL other than “The Islanders Stink.” Staple knows his shit and Zipay, too. I just get the impression that they’re waiting around for another dynasty to write about that. But it could be just me.
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by Pretty Good Idiot on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
as NDRE states below, you're right scoring is points.
Goals is goals, only when scoring is even will goals count as higher in the “scoring” standings than assists.
The term "scoring"
I’ve seen “scoring” used more liberally lately to mean “points”. It does make things confusing. I like it better when they say “point scoring” or “points”.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 26, 2012 1:42 PM EST reply actions
(Meant to reply to noomz "Good Article" comments.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting: Buccigross top-100 NHL players
Buccigross is one of my favorite hockey writers. He’s more entertaining/thoughtful than most.
Anyway, he/ESPN released the 51-100 section of his top-100 NHL players. I don’t see Tavares on the list, so I assume he’s cracked the top-50. (Largely because Matt Duchene is #56.)
Criteria:
“What were my guidelines? I tried to rank players in terms of picking players for this spring. Guys you would want, and we assume they are all 100 percent healthy, for the 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs. Past production, whether trending up or down, was examined in an attempt to get an accurate snapshot today. “Potential” or “ceiling” or projected dropoff were not considered. At least I tried not to let them affect my thinking. It’s about who can help us win right now."
Also:
“This is not an absolute list but a rough guideline according to one fool. I will probably have one or two glaring omissions that, upon further Ed Hochuli review, I will admit were foolish.”
Some interesting names:
100 Edler (He’s easily ahead of Streit, no?)
99 Jeff Carter
98 Pacioretty
94 Nicklas Backstrom (Caps)
93 Rinne
92 Streit
….
86 Pronger (Assuming he is healthy for playoffs, which is tough to do.)
80 Taylor Hall
74 Nugent-Hopkins
71 Eberle
….
63 Luongo
62 Phaneuf
61 Callahan
….
56 Duchene
55 Jordan Staal
54 Evander Kane
53 Quick, Jonathan Quick
52 Franzen
51 Spezza
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 26, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions
No sign of Neuvirth or Varlamov 51-100
So they must be in the top 50.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 26, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I know this has nothing to do with this thread, but I have to share this.
I can’t take credit, but here you go:

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 26, 2012 2:36 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd
That’s brilliant.
I wanted so bad for Randy Cunneyworth to call a timeout in the last 30 seconds of last night’s Habs-Red Wings game. Habs won 7-2.
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by Pretty Good Idiot on Jan 26, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently, he tried
The refs ignored him because he wasn’t asking in French.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hahahahahaha
I don’t know who comes up with this stuff but it’s brilliant. Zetterberg holding the flashlight is genius, especially with his expression in the picture.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I told you Isles broadcast sucks.
How did they miss this?
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