Islanders-Leafs Postgame Videos/Comments: Frustrating, yes.
by Dominik on Jan 25, 2012 6:00 AM EST
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With the bizarre rulebook "enforcement" in last night's OT loss to Toronto, the topic of officiating came up way more than it normally does in post-game interviews. It's equal parts interesting and cathartic to see how Islanders coach Jack Capuano and players like P.A. Parenteau, John Tavares and Josh Bailey fielded such questions.
Their videos are below (Tavares may be the best), as well as Ron Wilson's always fun take on the game. (Hint: His team was "disciplined.") Wilson was happy with how his team played Tavares, ceding just two goals (though several chances, and one goal was with the sixth attacker) with JT on the ice over the last two games.
On the road Wilson was able to get Dion Phaneuf on the ice for a whopping 13.5 minutes at even strength (out of a whopping 30 minutes overall) against Tavares. Nikolai Kulemin, Joey Crabb and Mikhail Grabovski drew the bulk of forward work against 91.
One other note that escaped last night's officiating rant: Nino Niederreiter saw just 6:18 but was a thorny little devil.
He's being brought along very slowly -- rightfully so, once they decided he was sticking around -- but each night you get little glimpses of what they saw in him. Last night: a guy who hit, made a nuisance of himself at the net and got a couple of shots off. The clamor from fans to promote Niederreiter up a line will continue until it actually happens; that's probably better than the impression a few months ago: "Man, this kid is overmatched here."
P.A. Parenteau
On not getting any power plays for two nights in a row: "Very frustrating. Two games without a powerplay -- I've never seen that before in my career. But it is what it is, nothing we can do about it. We've got to stop complaining, and tomorrow's another day so we'll go from there."
Jack Capuano
Liked the effort in the first, was alright with Al Montoya's night. On the litany of uncalled high sticks: Disappointing. "If that's the way they see the game, that's the way they see the game. I just wish it had been a little more consistent tonight, that's all. ... But it is what it is."
John Tavares
The visible disgust on his face as reporters asked the obvious (essentially: "WTH was with the officiating?"). Some nights, the game just doesn't make sense. Said Tavares: "Yeah. I don't really understand it." ... "Stay focused, try not to let it get to us."
Josh Bailey
Don't want to totally overload this post with embedded videos, so find Bailey's clip here. He likewise conceded, "I don't care how disciplined a team is, there are calls to be made out there."
Ron Wilson
Liked how his guys played the Islanders' top line for two games. Thought there were a few cheap shots and thought the Leafs responded by "finishing their checks" [note: High sticks to the face are not technically "checks," though I suppose they can be finished.] after the Islanders hit Leafs skill players.
Well, get 'em next time. Maybe the league will even send professionals.
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Are there new NHL rules designed to promote Islander Face?
There’s no other way to explain it. The refs were RIGHT THERE when some of this happened. They almost had to decide that there would be no Toronto penalties.
Two games in a row without a power play? I’ve been watching hockey since about 1970 and never, ever saw that.
What’s really frustrating? If it was the rangers, Toronto would have spent about 20 minutes killing penalties, and if the game was in reverse and the evil vicious Islanders did the stickwork, there’s be a couple of players meeting with Shanahan today.
by martylnd on Jan 25, 2012 6:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Return the rentals early
Officiating blew but lack of secondary scoring still an issue. . Reese has been an upgrade over Staios. Use the same logic bring Ullstrom back up (14 goals in 21 games). Let rolston rest for the rest of the season.He has added and given nothing. The $5 mil is spent either way.Does anyone miss reasoner?Nabokov will be gone soon.Pandolfo you are next. I would rather see Our draft picks play.
By Tuesday there should be a whole new look, I agree
I think that come Tuesday, the talk for Nabokov will heat up, Jurcina, Mottau (a thankful non-factor lately since he only gets to watch games) and Staios will be either moved or on the way (or waived, in Staios’ and Mottau’s cases), Ullstrom will be back up and possibly others, and Rolston, who must have pictures of Capuano and Snow in compromising positions, will replace Okposo on the top line.
I also would not be surprised if Streit’s name pops up. He hasn’t been very good either.
Yeah I'd be surprised if we didn't see a change soon.
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
not sure about juice..
i really liked his play lately. he throws his body around and has been making better decisions with the puck.
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by gukid17 on Jan 25, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He could be effective
he just needs to not be with another slow pylon-ish guy. As a 6th man (having a partner faster/better than he), he’d be fine.
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I like Juice
but his size and relative health this season makes me think he’ll be traded if the Islanders fall out of contention by the deadline. Hopefully, they get more than a set of Zamboni tires (™ afrosupreme, 2012).
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Unless Isles KNOW they have another sizable defenseman for next season...
…or that Jurcina is definitely not coming back, I don’t see Isles letting him go. If Isles are stuck with Hamonic as the only defenseman who can hit, next season will be over before it has started.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
That's true
They could always bring him back next year as a UFA. I just can see someone calling Garth looking for depth and him listening.
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What about
(god I can’t believe I’m saying this) Jurcina/Reese and Streit/Eaton?
Ugh. You just can’t survive with having 2 of Jurcina/Eaton/Staios in the lineup. One might be fine, but two is a nightmare.
by afrosupreme on Jan 25, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Every time I talk about this
I want to punch a kitten. There really is no figuring it out is there?
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 25, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then maybe someone else likes him, too
Enough to part with a wortyhwhile draft choice.
And if they act now, we’ll double the offer and throw in Eaton AND waive all shipping charges. (How much does it cost to ship two slow, immobile lumps?)
Yeah I don't think he's the problem
Or if he is there are quite a few that need to be addressed first. Rolston at the top.
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
But he's not the answer
and therefore I say move him while he has some (I think little) value.
Is it 2002 all over again???
Only difference between then and now is that we didn’t lose two of our best players to season ending injuries.
The NHL Officiating is a fucking joke when it comes to the Islanders. You have refs who are STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE OCCURRING PENALY and yet, no call. Curious on how much these guys get paid off by Toronto to tank a game. Yeah, I know that’s a lame thing to say, but after 10 years of this shit, what else is there to say?
Isles rule, rangers suck... that's just how it is.
by Timtropolis on Jan 25, 2012 7:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Re-enacting The Penalty Shot in his driveway
over and over and over and over and over
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 25, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
after each goal
he finds a zip line and goes
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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by Homey Chives on Jan 25, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know
but he probably got injured doing it.
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by PGI on Jan 25, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PA said it best...
“We’ve got to stop complaining…”
Post game whining about officiating is a loser’s game. The refs did not pointedly try to make the Islanders lose, they called the game a particular way. You either learn from it and respond, or you lose.
It has always been thus.
by JackandAce on Jan 25, 2012 8:52 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
you have an interesting view
you dont think the refs tried to make the isles lose, but i would argue my friend, that they certainly tried to help the leafs win
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I don't see that
When you are not a good team, not a good player, you never get the benefit of the doubt. And that is in all sports. Its why Jeter always gets that pitch on the corner called a ball. Or why the unwritten rule in boxing is that to beat a champion, you need to knock him out, because you won’t get the decision.
I don’t think it had anything to do with the two teams. As the Islanders get better, they will get some of those calls.
In those two games the Leafs had only 4 PP’s. To me, that is an indication that the game was called a particular way. I would have MAYBE had a bigger problem if the Isles got 2 PPs in one game, and the Leafs got 7.
In 120 minutes, did the Leafs not commit one infraction? Of course they did. We did not get the call. Learn from it, get better (get bigger and tougher), and some of the calls will start to come your way.
When did the MakeMe Laughs become a good team?
When you are not a good team, not a good player, you never get the benefit of the doubt.
I agree, but have only one question. Why does this principle not apply to the LEAFS?
by Hockey1919 on Jan 25, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
In fairness to the Islanders, they have to build several different types of teams.
It depends on how the rule book is being called that night. The Leafs just need to build one, an aggresive team since they know that they will not be called for half of their infractions and are more than willing to trade cheap shots. They are built for it.
i agree with the end
get better get tougher, grow from it, like the G-Men baby, refs F you, then stick it to the world, but the isles did not have TEH GRIT to stick it to anyone these last 2 games…
the point about not being a good team or player is nonsense though, these are supposed to be professional refs, those players are professional players, and JT and MM are certainly not bad players who you would look the other way on…
the biggest problem is that you see the ref in the replays looking at these infractions, CHOOSING not to call them… that’s unprofessional
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Well yeah
The high sticks are supposed to be automatic calls. There is meant to be as little discretion for those calls as possible— the league makes it easy for the refs with high sticking calls.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think
they tried to help the Leafs win. The Leafs were just more effective in taking advantage of the way the refs called the games. There’s a big difference there, and one doesn’t require tinfoil hats.
by afrosupreme on Jan 25, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
But you have to admit it is an odd coincidence...
…that the two loosest-called games of the season where back-to-back against the same team. Were these the same referees from Monday’s game?
I agree with your point that the league/refs didn’t try to fix these games, but the Leafs still ended up with 4 power plays in the 2 games. (And I know Martin’s goalie interference was an automatic call, but the Leafs’ high sticks were automatic too.)
It just seemed like last night there were 12 obvious penalties— 8 against Leafs and 4 against Isles. And the only two that were called were of the Isles’ 4. Maybe I’m biased and it was closer to 8 vs. 8. Still, it’s rough to have zero of 8 called for you at home when the other team has 2 power plays.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
.....problem IS, Jack, this is HARDLY an isolated incident.....
…..it’s been going on for FAR too many years, almost from the start of this rebuild – the Pittsburgh annihilation didn’t happen in a vacuum…..that said, it’s up to MANAGEMENT to express their disapproval for the benefit of its players and especially fans, a point I’m going to bring up an hour or so from now with Kimber and/or whoever else it’s recommended I speak to about it…..otherwise, the latter affected will continue to fall away in droves as the perception of futility is only reinforced, only hastening the Islanders’ demise…..
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Maybe
There have been games I have wondered about. But not so much the last two. I just think the Isles need to start creating their own breaks.
Lets face it, its only going to get worse from here on out in how physical other teams will be with us, particularly JT.
You just can’t worry about officiating at the end of the day…its in your hands to learn from it.
Siding with you on this
What was missing from PA’s statement is that not only do you move on, you learn from it.
It was clear that the refs were taking a “let ’em play” approach to this game. Isles coaching should adjust and instruct accordingly:
1) Tell all players to take some liberties in their own checking
2) Tell the d-men to be extra careful when they pinch, because the opposing offense will be able to get away with murder to get to the puck
The Leafs clearly took advantage of that in OT, when it mattered most.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 25, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
It's called
letting them play
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see the point of complaining to the press...
It just makes you look like a complainer. You don’t want to lose any of those players to suspensions. Well there’s this…
Scene from locker room before the press gets in:
Cappy: Brian, your wife and kids are outside, why don’t you go spend some time with them.
Rolston: Okay
Cappy; i am filing a complaint with the league, and i don’t want any of you going overboard with your comments to the press.
Tavares: Okay coach… We don’t need any suspensions. i’ll let Brian know.
Cappy: DON’T YOU DARE!!!
I believe in ELI! Go Blue!
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by JPinVA on Jan 25, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Agreed
Again, damned if you do, damned if you don’t. The Islanders need to be able to say, “fine, that’s how you want to play? OK, then” and start scoring goals.
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The only time the Islanders complaining to the refs is going to matter is against the Leafs.
Otherwise, there is no press coverage. If you are going to do it, then this is also perfect timing. You get your one chance on the bully pulpit and then slide into the All-Star break where the NHL is not going to make a big deal about inept refs during their annual dog and pony show.
The Leafs getting preferential treatment is not even newsworthy it is equivalent to dog bites man. Buckethead Burke can build a team of Neaderthals (with all apologies to the Neaderthal) because he knows that when his teamplays the rule book being used will be the one where slashing, high sticking, cross checking and late hits are allowed. He calls that truculence and as long as neither team gets called too often it is “fair”.
by Hockey1919 on Jan 25, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
.....there comes a point when atheltes reach their limits in terms of maintaining equilibrium -
- we’ve seen, again and again, that Johnny is a very level-headed kid and for HIM to finally lose it, speaks volumes about how dire the on-ice situation is perceived by the players as having become…..I just got done leaving a voicemail for Frank Brown after speaking with Bill Daly’s assistant and had left a message for Kimber at Uniondale just minutes before – hopefully I’ll hear back from both of them…..
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by ogam5 on Jan 25, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong
I saw at minimum 6 blatent infractions:
High crosscheck on Tavares at the end of the second. Minor.
High stick to Pandanfo’s face that drew blood. Double minor.
High stick to MacDonands face that drew blood. Double minor.
Crosscheck to Nino’s back. Minor.
Right cross to face to blindside Martin. Minor and misconduct?
Interference on Moulson in overtime. Minor.
Am I missing any others? Saw a bunch of tit for tat slashes / roughing / crosschecks late after the play that could have gone either way.
At least 4 of these were in the play or very close to it and should have been called.
I’m used to 1 or 2 “unseen” or ignored – “it’s just the Islanders” calls, but this was utterly inept officiating. Really gives credence to the conspiracy therorists out there that think the league wanted to give Toronto a lift in the playoff race.
It was good to finally see the Isles get a bit “Nasty” in their response though. Tavares with a bunch of crosschecks, Martin as usual, Bailey with some good hits, Nino throwing the body, PA being a pain in the butt, Hamonic and Jurcina hitting.
There were a few notable “unnoticables” though, could Moulson, Nielson and Okposo please learn that it is acceptable to finish checks and to hit the opposition instead of just being targets themselves?
by SJG in NJ on Jan 25, 2012 8:55 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
In fairness though
there is an uncalled headshot on Nino,
Probably could’ve been some matching roughings on PAP (flying headlock), and there was some stick swinging between Kessel and Amac.
Jurcina could’ve gotten a cross-check on his “interference” goal.
I wasn’t a fan of the “holding” on Hamonic either..seemed like Kessel came at him high and he kind of grabbed him.
It was poorly officiated in both directions…but that’s how things like Isles/Pens get started. Things get started, things get chippy, things get uncalled and teams (both teams really) see things from their own perspective, feel slighted, and look for retribution. Shitty game by the refs.
And the biggest thing for the Isles is that a “tightly called” game benefits us with the strength of the PP and PK. It would’ve been helpful to trade chances with them.
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they definitely let them play
and there was a lot of minor stuff going both ways, but when High Sticks in clear view are knocking players on the ground, there needs to be a call.
by ghalbart on Jan 25, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed..."Let them play" has its limits
especially when it determines the outcome of the game (OT). No way should they have let that interference go, regardless of how ticky tack they had been not calling the game earlier
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 25, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this
“Let them play” is not “Let them kill each other.”
It’s also my general observation that in a physical game called lightly, refs still focus on two things: stickwork, and plays that unfairly create or take away good scoring chances.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 25, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So much, this.
I posted this in the other thread, but am I alone in thinking this wasn’t a case of “Islanders just need to toughen up?”
Honestly, I was impressed with how much they pushed back, crosschecked back, Hamonic’d back. At no point did it feel like a traditional Flyers thumping of the Isles. At no point did I feel like the Leafs were playing a physical game that the Islanders did not or could not match.
Rather, I was just perplexed that blood-drawing high sticks and scoring chance-enabling interference calls were ignored. Those aren’t really infractions that you let go when you’re "letting them play." Those are things that, when completely missed, makes me think the refs heads are already in Aruba.
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by Dominik on Jan 25, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Dear Officials
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
by ArsenalLI on Jan 25, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Let 'em play?
I get that a lot refereeing soccer games. The dirty team always screams “Let ’em Play”. I answer that I do, but not let them play roller derby.
by martylnd on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Roller derby refs call lots of penalties
You certainly wouldn’t see them call a game like last night.
Of course the Isles should have been whistled a few times
JT and his 3 crosschecks after the play while sticking up for Wallace is a prime example.
BUT… the Isles didn’t draw blood two times, nor did they throw a cheap shot suspendable blindside punch.
And they didn’t interfere on the same play thay directly resulted in the game winning goal.
The Toronto Zebras
Rather than post twice in response to Marty and Tim. No I do not think that it would make any difference if it was the Rangers and no I do not believe that the refs get paid to tank games. They show their bias honestly. That’s kind of an oxymoron isn’t it?
The Leafs are not good at killing penalties so the boys wearing the stripes have found a novel way to improve in that area. Just don’t call penalties against them.
Take a look at how disciplined that the Leafs have been lately in the penalty department and you will see what I mean.
I know most Islander fans hate the Rangers more but it is for the previously stated reasons that I hate the fucking Leafs more.
It’s been a while since the Leafs made the the playoffs and the refs (most who grew up Leafs fans and apparently still are) are going to do their part to help them along.
I am not really complaining about it ( although I am in a way). It’s just the way it is but I don’t have to like it.
Welcome to the All Star Game Mr. Tavares
But before you can play you will have to pay off your $50,000 fine for abuse of the officials. You know better than to question them during a postgame interview. Didn’t they allow your goal to count during the game?? Yes? Well then what is the problem, you should be thanking them. Also, you have Josh Baileys number. We want him to start serving his suspension immedietly. Oh and never mind those red circles on the back of your jersey, the captains of the teams have been instructed not to pick you.
I honestly hope Tavares
skips the All Star game and gets some rest. He’s been carrying this team on his back all season. Plus I’m sure these last 2 games have taken a toll on him.
The word is out, as we knew it eventually would
Pound JT. And when you are done, do it again.
The Isles better be ready to address this.
I have no opinion on this matter.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Last night felt like watching Youngblood
At least Tavares didn’t crack his head open.
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
by Anarcurt on Jan 25, 2012 9:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Going to be a long weekend come tuesday nights game
It will be nice to see the marginally good Tavares at the ASG, but this loss in OT will definitely sting for the next few days.
I can appreciate letting the boys play and letting the little back and forth go, but when high sticks are running around like locust and hitting almost everyone in the face, there has to be some calls. This was a one sided affair. Its unfortunate there was no PP time as it is one of our fortes and one of their weaknesses. Could have put the game completely out of reach.
Either way, up 2 – 0 in the 2nd we should have won the game regardless of the refs. Like most of you think, I think we will start to see a different team come Tuesday. I know we would be talking a lot different if we were at .500, but unfortunately every game we lose puts us further and further behind. I will always believe, but it would be nice to see some changes.
Going to try and make the game on against Carolina and see the boys at least once this year. Hopefully it is nothing like the last time I went there…..7 – 2 Canes.
I honestly think...
…If Isles are going to struggle with the lineup they have now and fall all-but out of playoff race, keep most of the young talent in Bridgeport. Let them get used to winning there. Unless it is better for their development to play in the NHL, keep them in Bridgeport, with perhaps a game here-and-there to see how they do for the Isles.
As painful as it is to watch Rolston, Reasoner, Mottau (if need be), do what is best for next season and beyond.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting thought here:
http://voices.yahoo.com/rick-nash-york-10866701.html
Would you, if you could?
You would have to, I think
We clearly need secondary scoring. The way the deal is outlined, would that be enough for Columbus?
But I admit I don’t know all that much about Nash on other things, like attitude and health.
I knew Nash was giving serious cobnsideration to bolting a dreadful scene in Columbus.....while he doesn't enjoy REMOTELY the same level of affection, my one concern with him is.....
…..a replay of Smyth:(
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.....not thrilled with the suggestion of The Reverend being part of this proposed deal but,
the question is, would it be a better outcome than losing Lee? Questions, questions…..
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That's the only thing I don't like about the proposed trade
I have a feeling that Nelson could end up being a great 2/3 center at the NHL level. He has that big body we need down the middle. I would be more likely to agree with say Petrov as opposed to Nelson and how about WIshart or Ness as opposed to Ullstrom?
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Well isn't he signed till 17-18
http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=586
So I don’t think we would see a replay of Smyth
islanders hockey, making a sane person go insane during finals week
....would the Islanders be obligated to honor the full contract under the CBA at present?
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I believe so
Unless there is some new stipulation in the upcoming CBA that says otherwise, i believe the Isles would paying out the full contract for the time that was agreed upon with Columbus.
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Yeah
I do not want to go through another Smyth thing. This is a tough call
if he's willing to stay
I think this team can compete for the playoffs next year or very seriously the next year. Like the example given with the Mets acquisition of Keith a few years before the WS win, we should be open to building or improving our team instead of dumping pieces at the trade deadline. We’ll be dropping enough dead weight soon enough (Mottau, Eaton, Staios, Rolston) and getting a potentially productive piece would go along way to improvement. I’d prefer that piece be a defenseman, though. Find the best value for a trade, whether it’s at the deadline or in the off season.
by dunnowhat2type on Jan 25, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
NO
As much as I would love to have Rick Nash on the team 2 years ago… not now. They have problems to address, but top line forwards isn’t one of them. They need to get rid of some dead weight, and upgrade the defensive side of the roster with size and skill.
no offense to Rick Nash, but you fix your problems before you upgrade your strengths… and I promise you there are at least 20 other teams that would give up more than we would for his services.
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I would argue that you add a top line forward, you bounce others down and even out the scoring...which is one of our biggest problems.
by Tazman19 on Jan 25, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at the scoring from the D
Streit and NIL. Not only that, there is very little puck movement coming out of guys like Eaton and Jurcina. They need to have that on the ice at all times, and if they’re unable (or unwilling) to get Wishart or Donovan up that is going to be a much bigger problem.
It’s also a budget matter, and a team economy thing. They will have potential top six forwards on this team, they are in the system. they have four already (Moulson, Tavares, Okposo, Parenteau) and Grabner is an excellent secondary goal scorer. They will improve with Ullstrom and the 2012-13 AHL crop, like Kabanov, Petrov, Nelson(?) and Lee(?)… plus they already have a kid like Strome who will be on the team within the next two years.
Plus, I’m not giving up any of them without getting a TOP FOUR (20+ MIN PLUS D). There is just no organizational depth on D, especially given the rate at which D develop, and the access that the team has to the UFA market.
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it's why i was surprised
CDH only got 1 game earlier… a 3-5 game tryout wouldn’t have hurt nobody
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scratch that
i was thinking lee… time for my 2nd coffee, obviously 1 didn’t do enough…
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I agree with Taz here JP
If you acquire Nash, you start the domino effect and start knocking players down in the lineup. Plus, with a lot of the deadweight coming off the books by the end of this year, I don’t see getting Nash as being a factor in that.
I’d be willing to send them Nino and Nelson, plus a pick for Nash. As much as we like our young players, in the end, winning teams keep some and trade others for better assets and we’ve been harping about it all year…WE NEED SECONDARY SCORING.
Even if you deal Nino and Nelson, you’re looking at forwards lines next year of:
Moulson-Tavares-Okposo
Nash-Nielsen-Parenteau
Grabner-Bailey-Ullstrom
Martin-Reasoner-Whoever else youd like here
Give me those three forward lines and I’m a happy man. Plus it allows for there to be no rushing of Strome into a Nino-like rookie season, and he most likely slides into your second line the following year, probably replacing Bailey. Along with Strome, you still have Anders Lee as a highly-touted forward prospect, so it wouldn’t be like acquiring Nash would leave the prospect cupboard up front bare.
I’m sorry, but to acquire a forward with Nash’s talent, along with not touching our NHL-ready nucleus, I really think it’s a move that needs to be made in a heartbeat. And I can’t see how the prospects of getting two former first rounders plus a high draft pick wouldn’t be appealing to Columbus management
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
swap Nielsen and Bailey
I like the chemistry of Nielsen and Grabner and I’d like to see Bailey on a more offensive line.
by dunnowhat2type on Jan 25, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
If the Isles get Nash it's to play with Tavares
So Nash-Tavs-KO and Moulson-Frans-PAP, I think. I love Matty Mo but he’s not Rick Nash.
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I was going to put both Bailey on the second line and Nash on the first
But for one, I didn’t want people ripping into me with a Bailey Sucks chant and if it were me, I think Moulson benefits more from being with Tavares than Nash would. I think Tavares makes Moulson better and Nash would make Bailey/Parenteau better and those combos would benefit the Isles in the long run more than a Nash-Tavares combo, as exciting as it may be.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
ok I see what you're going for
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Oh and as for D
I still think there would be plenty of room to sign a Top 4 D-Man. And I think if you add Nash to Tavares and Moulson, this team looks a lot more attractive to upcoming FA’s.
Nash is only making $7.6 mil, only $2.6 more than Rolston, so right there we’re not adding that much more salary to the team once Rolston is gone. Let’s say Pandolfo becomes P.A.‘s raise and Eaton becomes Franzy’s raise, you’re still looking at almost $5 mil in salary we can add just to gtet to the cap floor, assuming that the floor doesn’t get raised and assuming that (praise the high heavens) DiPietro and the Isles don’t workout a buyout.
I think there’s room to add both Nash and a Top 4 D-Man, and with both of those, this team is sitting pretty.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Wow...here are some problems
I’m not giving up Nino+ for Nash and you’re lineup has Ullstrom still in it. In three years you’ll be banging your head against the wall every night. Nino, Nelson and picks from a deep draft… for a guy who hasn’t reached “generational status” because of his
teammates. No way.
Nielsen or Parenteau, maybe both are gone to offset the $7.8M budget hit over the next 6 years. We won’t have a $60M budget until an arena is decided on… and that isn’t happening before the end of next year.
Tavares, $5.5M for 5 years, Nash, $7.8M for those same years. Add DP to that and you have more than a third of your budget tied up in 2 players and a zombie. How much will you give Hamonic… because he’s the only true first pair defenseman in your system… you know, because you never know how prospects will turn out.
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by JPinVA on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bc if you read my deal was Nino, Nelson and a pick
Ullstrom wasnt involved so YEAH he’d still be in the lineup boss
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I did read it...
and giving up Nino is unrealistic. Why would you give up somebody making <$3M/year, that you have for 6 more years who might be a notch below your target when all is said and done… and all the PLUSES…for somebody making more than double that… who has some question marks.
You’re getting very close to Yashin territory here.
You have a defensive issue. You have NO veteran goaltender signed for next year, and at least 6 solid forwards, and a treasure trove of forward prospects.
Next year a second line of Nino-Bailey-Parentau cost less than Nash, and you don’t have to give up SQUADOOSH! We are not the NY Rangers, $8M players are not going to happen anymore unless they have given us $8M worth of production FIRST.
At least that’s the way I see it. Lower risk… we can’t afford another Yashin or DP situation.. I don’t want to wait another 15 years for a playoff series win because Rick nash develops groin issues.
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Yea
I don’t see Nino for Nash, largely because Nino could be Nash. Nelson and Ullstrom are different types of players. If Nino succeeds, he’ll be a very similar player.
I guess that could also be an argument in favor of the deal, but I don’t see it that way.
by afrosupreme on Jan 25, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
More about avoiding risk...
If Nino fails, you have no committment. If Nash fails(injured, whatever) there is another name at the bottom of cap geek that you can’t get rid of.
Sometimes the best deals are the ones YOU DON’T MAKE.
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Agreed it would be like a Yashin deal
but based on what you’ve seen this year, is a second line of Bailey-Parenteau-Nino going to do jack shit? Are they going to get us to the next level. Sure they COULD pan out, but Nash COULD also not get hurt and be a perennial 30 goal scorer. Either way you’re leaving it up to chance. And yes, we’d be left on the hook for his salary, but if Bailey and Nino crap out and give us nothing, we’re right back at square one hoping Strome, Lee and Nelson pan out.
No offense, but I’m tired of hoping players pan out. At some point a chance has to be taken.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Nino could be Nash
Dave Chyzowski could be Mike Gartner
Scott Scissons could be Pat LaFontaine
Brett Lindros could be Clark Gillies
Sean Bergenheim could be Martin St. Louis
a lot of people could be a lot of other people. They also could be a lot of nothing. No team can build a winner on pure speculation through drafting and picking up other teams cast offs. At some point you need to trade some of those prospects (theres a reason they’re called prospects and not sure bets) and acquire someone who has proven they can play. I’m not saying Nino can’t be a star, and I know he’s 19 and being brought along slowly, but has he shown you anything at all, like say a Jeff Skinner, that would make you think twice about adding him in a deal to bring a multiple time All-Star who is only 27 to the team? He sure hasn’t for me.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
True
But I’d also argue, we’re not really near the point of needing a Nash. He’s the kind of guy you get when it’s clear that’s what you need to get over the top. We couldn’t be further from the top.
by afrosupreme on Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
Definitely way too early to be having this discussion. I see this discussion happening next year when a good amount of prospects are either in the Bridge or on the Island.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 25, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with that
and I’m all for being patient with guys, I really am. But I also know that 27 year old guys who score 30 goals consistently don’t become available often, so when they do you need to pounce.
Nash has scored 30 goals or more in 6 of the last 7 seasons, and on pace to do it again. And that’s on a team with zero offensive ability around him.
Imagine what he could do on a team with young offensive talent like the Isles. I bet in the next two seasons, no one at a young age like Nash, becomes available to the Isles. And when we’re talking about wishing we had that one more winger who could score us 30 goals, we’re going to wish we pulled the trigger on a Nash deal in 2012.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Right
You have to give some to get some. It isn’t always going to end up being all chocolate boxes and roses when you make these deals – but you can’t spend all of your precious time waiting for top picks to pan out, and live in constant fear of regret.
The Isles are going to get another top-ish pick this year. Forget the Bridge – to Chris’ point, adding a Nash makes the current NHL-level offense better and gives it the depth it needs. And when the offense becomes more appealing, maybe a top D-Man thinks twice about the ludicrous offer Garth should be throwing his way.
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by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 25, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I hear you
and this is why I’m glad I’m not an NHL GM. By giving away all of your top prospects, whether it’s Nino, Nelson, Lee or whoever, you lose the same trading chips you would use for stronger D. While a trade for Nash strengthens the Isles’ top 6 offense, it still leaves the Isles weak at D.
I’m not saying that I’d be against getting Nash, moreso that I’d rather Garth use those assets for a top D-man.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 25, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
And I'm not worried about Hamonic at all right now
These guys have been saying that a winning team will bring in money and if we have a winning team them shouldn’t they be spending more than just the cap minimum?
As for $60 milo, not sure what calculator you’re using, if, based on what Okposo and Grabner got last offseaon, Nielsen and P.A. get around $3 a year you’re looking at these numbers:
Tavares: $5.5
Nash: $7.8
Moulson: $3.1
P.A. : $3
Bailey: $1
Nielsen: $3
Grabner: $3
Martin: $1
Ullstrom: $687,000
Okposo: $2.8
Reasoner: $1.3
Streit: $4.1
Hamonic: $875,000
MacDonald $550,000
DP: $4.5
You’re looking at $39 mil with 4 spots to fill. You’re right, maybe a payroll of $45 mil for the New York Islanders is unrealistic. So either Parenteau or Nielsen would have to go, most likely Parenteau. In which case I still make the move. This team will never win by just hoping all of their toys pan out. They need to make a move for a guy who’s proven he can be an all-star in this league.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Short sighted...
Their payroll now is around $49M, so I’m not sure where you get $45M.
I’m looking more towards 2014-15 when ELC’s run short and the CAP GAPs aren’t avaiable. their budget will be closer to their cap hit and that will be between $55 and $60M.
Nash(7.8) Tavares(5.5) Okposo(2.8) = 16.1M
Grabner(3) Nielsen(3) Parentau(3) = 9M
Ullstrom(2) Bailey (2) Martin(2) = 6M
Lee(1?) cizikas(1?) Petrov(2) = 4M
$35M and we haven’t even gotten to the defensemen, and Moulson is priced out of the game because a 4 or 5 time 30 goal scorer is going to deserve $6M+
Hamonic(4m?)-Macdonald(2.5?) RFA, but arbitration $6.5M
CDH-Donovan… $3M because they will both still be RfA.
Mayfield-Kichton.. $2M?
another 11.5 million without depth, and let’s just say that it’s a conservative budget estimate because we stayed in the organization.
So now we’re at $46 million. Add DP and you’re at $50M and you have to sign two goaltenders. If the prospects work out you may be able to get away with 4M there, and you are just talking depth after that.
It is possible to put together a team to challenge for a playoff spot for under $55M if you trust the prospects on D… and don’t mind giving up Moulson.
I just wouldn’t do it… and I’m looking at going deep by this time, and that defense doesn’t get us deep. Plus.. one groin pull and who know’s where the replacements are coming from.
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My bad
I accidentally looked at what they were on the hook for in 11-12 ($31 mil) and thought that was this years salary. I’ve been clicking a lot of links and looking at a lot of numbers lol
I get you’re looking down the line and I totally get where you’re coming from with the D and needing some solidity back there, I just think a chance at a guy like Nash doesn’t come around often and I also think a guy like Nash gets you to both places you’re focusing on- down the line and a solid D man. If Tavares and Nash is on a team, I’m much more willing to sign there then if they’re not, and I don’t think there is a ‘down the line’ if you rely on prospects and they all fail at becoming solid NHL players. I think that’s just as much a risk, if not more, than investing time and money inot a guy with years left in his career and a very good track offensive record.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
WHEN...
do guys like Tavares, Moulson, parentau, Nielsen, and Grabner become “vets”. That’s five pretty good “vets” to start a base from. If you land a UFA, that’s great. But I don’t think I’d give up the value of Mat Moulson for the Marquee value of Rick Nash… let’s face it, 50%(maybe more) of Islander fans don’t even know who Nash is… xcept he might be the guy that nashville was named for.
I want the same thing you want, but I don’t want it at F, I want it on D… and then what you say happens a lot easier. A guy who sees a team with Hamonic and Suter anchoring the top two pairs (75% of ice time) will have a better chance of being a cup contender inside his contract term.
The underlying truth to all this is that there were 10K at the game last night. For $60 you could have sat next to mike myers, but you (not YOU, but you know what I mean) stayed home. This has got to change, and Rick nash doesn’t change it… WINNING DOES. Upgrading the D, and getting rid of DEaD WEIgHT will do that for pennies on the dollar.
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DiPietro in '14-'15.
That is depressing. The good thing is that Yashin comes off the books in ‘15-’16. Less than 4 years to go!
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Nash has tempted me before, but it's too late. That contract is a beast to take on.
And players of his profile don’t always age the way you want. I don’t even mind giving up the assets — it’s giving up the assets for a player consuming that much budget who you can’t be sure will keep producing.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 25, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'd be cool with nash being dealt in this scenario:
isles gets Dman
jackets get prospects
3rd team gets Nash.
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That is an intriguing idea
Which team would you include?
I was looking at Minnesota, St. Louis, and Los Angeles, who could all really use scoring. The Wild don’t have defense to spare, though. The Jackets would probably not let Nash go to a division rival, so St. Louis is out – and their biggest bargaining chip is probably Ben Bishop, whom the Isles really don’t need unless they have other moves in mind involving Nabokov. Nash would fit beautifully with the Kings, who have pretty much nothing on LW. They may not have the cap space for him, however, because they have a lot of hefty contracts already – Kopitar, Doughty, Brown, Richards, Williams – though Penner and Mitchell come off the rolls this year as UFA.
That means that, if the Kings want in on this, the Isles would have to take on Jack Johnson’s deal and hope he figures out what to do in his own side of the rink. You’d get something like:
To NYI: Jack Johnson (LA)
To LA: Rick Nash (CLB)
To CLB: Lee, Koskinen, pick
I’m throwing in Koskinen because the Jackets are in desperate need of a goalie. They might hold out for Poulin or Montoya, though – I would if I were Scott Howson.
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PS
If I’m Garth Snow, I turn down this deal. Too much for just Jack Johnson in return.
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really?...
i think garth would take that deal considering he’s getting a top 2-3 dman and giving up barely anything. i know everyone is high on anders lee, but again, he’s a prospect. it would make sense that the isles would have to give up farm chips considering LA is getting nash. the jackets would have to get something back, so both LA and the isles would have to send prospects to columbus. i’m sure most of us here would take jack johnson if we gave up a pick, lee, and koskinen. heck, i’d throw in someone or something else.
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You think?
Jack Johnson definitely has issues, but Lee has the loophole which has to kill his value, and Mikko couldn’t even crack our top 5, which wasn’t exactly loaded up. So two very so-so prospects and a pick. I’d do that.
Looked at that way, perhaps
Honestly, it’s the pick (I presume it would be a first-rounder) that’s the sticking point for me. The draft is deep with defensemen, any of whom might be a better fit for the Isles than Jack Johnson – though not ready immediately of course. Johnson is a good offensive threat, but is also toting significant baggage, not least of which is a contract lasting approximately 49 years. If I’m dealing Lee and Koskinen I’d rather turn them into something else and use the pick myself.
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One thing with St. Louis
They’re due to get McDonald (the other Amac) and Steen back soon. While they could always use more goals, getting those two back combined with Perron makes me wonder what top six — hell, top nine — forwards they’d want to replace.
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In a heartbeat...
The farm system is stacked again….Ullstrom, as I stated when he was first called up, is a good player but his AHL scoring success is not going to translate to the NHL (not quite as bad as Tamby, but similar). Package him with Nelson and a first and third and its a no brainer. IMO
Ullstrom, Nelson, and a third
was the proposal in the article, and I don’t think that gets you in the ballpark for Nash.
by afrosupreme on Jan 25, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
2012 1st Rounder, Nino, Ness and the Rights to Lee for Nash
Am I in the ballpark?
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Jan 25, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'd part with Nelson before Lee
I don’t think Ullstrom, Nelson, and a Third would do it, not by a long shot. But I’d be willing to even swap Ullstrom for Nino to get that done. But if you could get away with Ullstrom, Nelson, and a First, you send someone to Columbus and help pack Nash’s bags
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Nelson is a better skater
better on defense as good of a scorer has a higher ceiling and doesn’t have the UFA loophole. I would absolutely trade Lee before Nelson.
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I think better skater is overrated
Look at JT. Everyone bashed his skating and he’s worked on it and becomed pretty good at it. But I forgot about the FA loophole, but that’s an issue that would also make him very unattractive to a city like Columbus, making Nelson an almost definite insertion into a deal instead of Lee. In the end, I don’t think it would be our choice to make.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
One point of contention
Not many are John Tavares. There is a reason he is so good and Its not just talent, he’s ridiculously focused. I don’t trust the average NHL player to put in the time and effort in to improve as much as John has. He isn’t quite the norm.
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 25, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well
thing is that Lee is already older than JT and probably will be 23-24 by the time he gets out of school. Not a lot of time left to improve that skating…not saying it’s impossible (or even that bad), but not sure how much upward trajectory there will be there.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 25, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Although
that will have as much to do with his offseason workouts as his age. If he never puts in a couple months at a power skating camp, he should still have some room to improve even at 24.
I imagine this would be something the Isles would push for the summer before his first training camp. The couple times I’ve seen him he looks a little lumbering out there.
It boggles my mind
that there’s a good chance we won’t see this guy until the 2014-2015 season.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 26, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
The writer included a first as well
A package built around what is likely to be a top 10 first round pick in 2012, even with Nash coming to the team, should grab the attention of Blue Jackets management.
So the proposal was Nash to NYI for 2012 #1, Ullstrom, Nelson, and a third
It would be tough to lose Brock, but the Isles are strongest down the middle and that’s the area they’d move people from. But if not Nelson, who could the Isles offer that the Jackets would accept? Anders Lee? I don’t see that happening. Josh Bailey? Would they ask for Nino?
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Aaahh
Didn’t put those together. Poor reading comprehension.
I don’t know-it seems like this isn’t being considered a very good draft year. Even a lottery pick may not have it’s normal value. I’d probably trade all of that for Nash, but I’d rather trade all of that for a defender.
by afrosupreme on Jan 25, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Would you give those assets up for Weber? or Suter?
I’m not going to patch a strength before I fix an obvious problem.
So you then have Nash, no first rounder in a deep draft to pick a D, and you’re missing two pieces which can be key to getting one via trade. The more I think about it, the more this would be so milbury-esque it’s shameful.
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If Suter or Weber had Nash’s contract I’d give up that and more.
by afrosupreme on Jan 25, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
that's my point.
Weber will likely be looking for $8+ million for 7+ years…and you can give up more because he actually fills a need.
He still creates budget hell, but at least you’re fixing a problem. giving all that up for Nash is like fixing your kitchen when your basement floods every time it rains. You don’t even know what it’s goig to cost to get your FOUNDATION fixed, and you wanna be all pretty for when the neighbors come over.
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by JPinVA on Jan 25, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
If trading for Nash takes making a run at Suter off the table, then forget it.
by afrosupreme on Jan 25, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
....based upon what I've heard on the grapevine about Suter's availability, he looks like a very good bet to be an Islander next season.....
…..Nashville is a position where they really only need to tinker a bit for a Stanley Cup contender, IMO – Suter being a UFA (?) that becomes a no-brainer…..
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I don't know about that...
but I want to be in play for him. Nashville is about where we are in the CAP world, and maybe a little behind in the budget sense. I have a feeling that Wang will expand the budget more than Nashville can afford to. The issue would be convincing a guy like Suter that he can make this a home, and replace Streit as a first pair defenseman.
When you can spend $6M/yr for 5-7 years on a clear fix, it will be much better than $8M on an upgrade.
Then you start managing those prospect assets for depth. But you can do it when they are all professionals, in the AHL or getting time in the NHL.
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Has anything in recent Islanders history with free agents give you even the slightest bit of hope Suter would sign here?
Bc the answer is an emphatic NO. We’ve all complained about how this team will never land a top notch FA without an arena and being a winner and now all of the sudden signing the Top D-man on the market is a very good possibility.
Come on guys, there is no way Suter signs here. If we want a Suter we are going to have to trade for him. And with defense being such a commodity around the league, I think our offer for a D-man would get outbid by at least 3 other teams.
If you’re looking at a FA defenseman coming here you better start looking more at a Denis Wideman or John-Michael Liles, and both are better bets to sign here with a guy like Nash on board.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Scratch Liles
He’s apparently signing an extension with the Leafs.
And since we’re talking about deals the Islanders probably won’t make, I’ll beat this dead horse again: I’d trade this year’s first rounder and maybe a prospect for Subban.
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I'd do that deal as well
Subs isn’t the biggest dman around, but he plays a competent game and can chip in on offense. Streit-Subs and A-Mac-Hamonic is a great top 4, plus he’s got a bunch of RFA years left.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 25, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Plus, Subban's on the FOT list
Friends of Tavares.
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Who knows
He might even be related to Matt Moulson somehow.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 25, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I've said it before
I don’t think Garth has ever blown another team’s offer out of the water. If he gives Suter $1 million more per year, and 1 more year than any other team is offering, that’s going to total somewhere between $15-20 million more than any other offer. At that point things like the arena very well might take a backseat.
based on the figures we’ve heard, Ehrhoff’s offer was for a shorter term, but more per year than Buffalo’s. In Buffalo, 10/40 is 4 per, I remember Garth’s figures being in the range of 5.5 – 6 per and resulting in something around 6 years. I’d say an extra $1.5-2 million per year is a big difference, a 50% premium. Buffalo did give way more up front, I think he’s getting $12 million this year with signing bonus and such.
by dunnowhat2type on Jan 26, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yea
Erhoff got more right away, and more overall. And he wasn’t technically a free agent yet (though I have a hard time believing there is zero tampering on this stuff), so it wasn’t like Garth could counter Buffalo’s offer.
That said, that was too much for Erhoff in my opinion. To me Suter is the guy you break the bank for, not Erhoff.
Agreed, but it’s still the point that the numbers we’re hearing indicate probably a smarter offer than Buffalo ended up with anyway, but with a higher AAV. I heard they were willing to go ten years/100MM for Kovalchuk, which was just less term than what he got from the Devils, same money, higher AAV.
by dunnowhat2type on Jan 26, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Ehrhoff is 29 years old right now
So he would have been around 35 when he became a UFA again, had he signed with the Isles, allowing him to sign a 2 or 3 year deal, perhaps, for good money. Whereas with Buffalo, there is a good chance he’ll retire before he gets to 39 years old and his contract ends. He’ll be averaging a touch over $5.5 mil per year if he cuts off the last couple seasons ($1 million each).
So in the end, the money is about the same, unless he plays past 38-39 years old. If he plays until he’s 40+, he could have made more $$$ with a contract like the Isles offered. Either way, his family won’t starve.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 26, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
They very well could ask for Nino if they're rebuilding
consider that Johannsen is over there.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 25, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Development note: Johannsen was healthy scratched the other night
That’s neither here nor there, I just found it interesting.
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Right now
Portzline said that Carter is definitely available…I want no piece of that Yashinesque anchortastic contract.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Ye gods
It may very well be worse than Yashin’s, from the CBJ point of view.
When I advocate patience, I’m not talking about just sitting around and waiting for stuff to turn out right — I’m talking about not returning to the desperation well.
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Oh no
Columbus is screwing up his developments!!!!
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by Fabtraption on Jan 26, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
The article says:
“A package built around what is likely to be a top 10 first round pick in 2012, even with Nash coming to the team, should grab the attention of Blue Jackets management. The Isles can afford to part with David Ullstrom (F) and Brock Nelson ©, for example, and not be left bereft of talent at the minor league level. Add a third rounder and Garth Snow might have a deal closer.”
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
My bad. I didn't scan well enough before posting this.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
i have to agree....
The thing about prospects is you never know how there game translates in the NHL. To get a proven player like Nash wont just help the teams rebuild but also help the young kids progress and with a proven allstar maybe just maybe other NHL stars might want to sign with the team in the future. No brainer! !!
by The boogieman on Jan 25, 2012 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and...
it would force other teams to focus their attention on a player other than JT. (Nevertheless, I dont think it is the best or most important move to make at this point)
if they give up nelson
i’ll be sad, i’m liking this kid so much i even started looking for a ND #9 jersey
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scratch that
i was thinking lee, good lord, i really need that coffee
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As my Chinese teacher used to say
“I am confuse.”
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Anders Lee?
He’s #9 at Notre Dame. Nelson is 29 at North Dakota.
It’s confusing because they both go to UNDs, but different ones.
by afrosupreme on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
5 years of Nash for Ullstrom, Nelson and 3rd?
Yes. Of course. And if I’m a CBJ fan, I’m pissed that they got so little in return.
A 1st, 3rd, Ullstrom, and Nelson for Rich Nash?
I think so. Isles don’t know if any of those pieces will turn into top-6 quality players. (Although Ullstrom looks promising and that 1st COULD be 2nd or 3rd overall (or even 1st if they win the lottery).
Adding Nash would do a number of good things:
(A) it would give Bailey a line mate who can score and create secondary scoring
(B) it would add SIZE/physicality to the 2nd line
© It would push Grabner and Nielsen to the 3rd line, where they would be more effective.
(D) it would give Nino someone to learn how to play power forward
(E) if Parenteau and Nash could find chemistry, watch out!
There is probably more that I’m missing:
Moulson-Tavares-Okposo
Nash-Bailey-Parenteau (Potentially Strome, and Bailey+Nielsen drop down a line)
Grabner-Nielsen-Martin/Nino
Nino/Martin and two other guys
1st PP unit: Tavares, Nash, Moulson, Streit, and anyone who can make a pass.
The biggest reason NOT to make this trade, to me, is that Isles still need to acquire a physical defenseman— and that is a more pressing need, I think.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hell...
…..might get some more people into the building if anything.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Jan 25, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
That offense needs to get Suter in the building
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by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 25, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
The thing about this is
somebody just scored against Eaton/Jurcina.
It really is sexy, but man, this team needs just a bland/ugly defender so bad…and I’m not sure we can do both…hell, over the past few years, we haven’t been able to do either.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 25, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Basically it always comes back to punching a kitten
Gah.
I actually take the recent juggling, Staios scratching, and Reese airing as a dimly positive sign though: It appears the staff realizes there is an issue that needs fixing and we are at the phase in the season where they are ready to do it, show the vets the game tape and be like, “You’ve had 50 games to prove otherwise.”
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I actually take the recent juggling, Staios scratching, and Reese airing as a dimly positive sign though
Yeah, positive on the recognition…but hopelessly desperate in trying to create “a spark”. Problem is, there really isn’t an answer unless there is a (doubtful) trade or one of the BPT kids comes in and plays well above their heads.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 25, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
/Debbie Downer
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 25, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
For sure. Punching kitten time.
But those little moments where they see what we think we see are nice.
All these vets, I figured some might work out okay and some would be obviously way past their sell by date half-way through, and the end result was going to be that they were stopgaps until the kids were more ready for trials.
Or Wishart. What the hell, Wishart. I thought we had something here.
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In an effort
to make this a thing…
by afrosupreme on Jan 26, 2012 6:42 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Defense
Juice, you’re doing it wrong.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 26, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
It's like two halves of the photo were taken at different times
Einstein’s theory of relativity is at work somewhere here.
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Officiating
I have long held the opinion that the following groups of teams have always had the benefit of partial officiating
a) All teams based in Toronto (because that’s where the league offices are)
b) all teams based in Montreal ( because the Stanley Cup belongs to them by divine right -Les Habitants)
c) all teams based in Madison Square Garden(where the league President’s office is)
d) all teams with the current poster boy of the league ( See Pittsburg and Edmonton in the ’80’s)
by Peter Puck on Jan 25, 2012 9:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ron Wilson TV
I’d like to see the game he was watching. “there were some cheap shots out there”… do you think the uniform colors confused him, or maybe Scott Gordon forgot who he was working for and kept telling him, “our guys are getting killed out there”
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by JPinVA on Jan 25, 2012 9:44 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
You always notice the cheap shots on your own guys first
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a ref ring up both guys on a give-and-take – and have BOTH of them react like they were robbed.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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the thing about the toronto media box is
you get enveloped and assimilated by it, even if you’re American… well…
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On a positive note...
I genuinely enjoyed watching Kadri get completely dumped by a nice hit by JT (I think it was in the 3rd in the Isles’ zone), particularly in light of Kadri’s previous comments.
by Icelanders on Jan 25, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
well
JT went back at him cuz he left his feet to launch into JT that one time…
kadri is a punk, has had run in’s with nino in the WJC’s, and trying to take credit for that goal the other night when he missed it by a foot was classless
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Talk about trading for D and F..........if we
are in line with a run at the play-offs next season is appropriate, but I see weakness possible at G if Nabby goes at the deadline or at the end of the season. In that case all our eggs are in the Montoya/Poulin basket – both of which would be at best #2 goalies on a play-off team. Look to Snow to pick off another vet [goalies in terms of salaries are the best bargins in the league,- considering that their position is arguably the most important]
PS
In fairness, Montoya/Poulin both have great potential, but even a rebuilding team much less a post season team needs a reliable stopper even if somewhat less than a star. The obvious example is Nabokov which gets this thread sounding redundant along with the rant.
Where'd Matt Moulson go?
I was just about to figure out how I was related to him.
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Whoa
My fantasy team just got a hell of a boost from this.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 25, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I the Isles put in a claim
you know Nabokov is a goner and DiPietro isn’t coming back. I don’t want Nittymaki but the rest would be good news.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather keep Nabokov over Nittymaki
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by Fabtraption on Jan 25, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nix Nittymaki
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It wouldnt be taking Nittymaki over Nabokov
and I want no part of Nittymaki. I was just saying that if they do put in a claim it would mean they need a goalie, and being they have Nabokov and Montoya right now, it would mean one of them must be on the move, most like Nabokov.
And although I don’t want Nittymaki, and I appreciate how Nabokov has played this season, I think the Isles need to trade Nabokov. They’re not making the playoffs this year, and I don’t have a crystal ball, but I can’t see how there is any way Nabokov would resign here unless we did make the playoffs. So if we’re going to lose him anyway, we might as well get something for him.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Even if Nabokov is traded
and there’s a very good chance that’ll happen, I can see Montoya and Poulin holding down the rest of the fort for the season. There’s no need to take a sub-.900 goalie for three months.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 25, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So do I
again I didnt say I would take Nittymaki, I said if the Islanders put in a claim that would have to be the reason behind it. Then again you have to remember the Isles had both Poulin and Nilsson up here while Montoya was hurt and both barely saw the light of day. So you have to wonder if Snow thinks the same way we do or would he go out and snag a goalie from outside the organization like he did twice last year.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 25, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Circumstances were very different last year
All of the goalies were either traded (Roloson), injured (DiPietro, Poulin), or terrible (Lawson, Koskinen). Although Nabby and Montoya have been injured at points this season, there’s no need to take another goalie (especially one so subpar) unless they get injured for the season.
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And right now there are LOTS of goalies in the NHL who are in Nittymaki's league
In the offseason, Isles can add a goalie. I personally like Montoya/Poulin for next season, but if Poulin isn’t quite ready, Isles can find a backup for Montoya who is better than Nittymaki.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
Waiting for someone to “accidentally” waive a defenseman like Brent Seabrook.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I don't want to have to learn to spell Niittymaki
That is all.
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He just gets a nickname
until he makes enough saves and I learn his name acidentally.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Niitty Niitty Bang Bang
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One important thing from last night
From Elias: John Tavares reached the 20-goal plateau for the third time in his three seasons in the NHL when he scored to give the Islanders a 1-0 lead less than two minutes into their game against the Maple Leafs on Tuesday. Tavares is the fifth player to score at least 20 goals for the Islanders in each of his first three NHL seasons, joining Billy Harris (first six seasons: 1972-73 through 1977-78), Clark Gillies (five: 1974-75 through 1978-79), Bryan Trottier (13: 1975-76 through 1987-88) and Mike Bossy (all 10 seasons: 1977-78 through 1986-87).
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Gotta Be Kidding
Figure Leaf fans would like the cheap shots they give out. Seems the NHL is getting their wish to get them back to the playoffs. Leaf fans love watching guys like Peca lose their careers over double knee surgeries. Maybe the Islanders need a repeat of the Pitt game the next time they meet. Ask how that went for the Penguins last year. It’s sad to see the NHL letting star players getting knocked out by thugs like the Leafs. Seems cheap shots is their way of playing hockey. The mentality in Toronto is “Caveman” at best.
by Madswede-Turtledove on Jan 25, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions
I think we could "somewhat fix" secondary scoring by messing with the lines again.
We have 3 30goal/30goal caliber scorers: Moulson/JT/Grabs. You want more secondary scoring, split them up on 3 different lines (as an experiment at least). It’s hard to configure the lines though because the Rolston effect and no Ullstrom/arguably Nino readiness for 3rd line duties. The other big thing is though, we complain about this team needing 2ndary scoring, we drafted a physical big scoring forward a year and a half ago in Nino, he is here, we might as well give him a damn opportunity to score on the 3rd line or other top 9 line. I wouldn’t be surprised if he potted noticably more goals than Rolston given his talents and reading the NHL game/speed faster lately. Or at least until we get more secondary scoring. The D also needs work, but aside from calling up Donovan/Wishart to fill-in on the bottom pair (or with streit), there isn’t much we can do.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
What if
(and I know they wouldn’t, but what if anyway)
They did something like this when Reasoner is back:
1. MM-JT-KO
2. MG-FN-PAP
3. JP-MR-MMa
4. DU-JB-NN
These are roughly in the amount of ice team I’d expect them to get.
Line 1 is normal first line, big minutes, as much OZone time as possible. Line 2 gets a lot of minutes, in both zones against any opposition. Line 3 gets the most DZone starts, and is matched against opposition’s top players as much as possible. Line 4 gets a low amount of minutes, but offensive zone starts, hopefully against weaker lines.
In essence you hope that make Line 3 the main defensive unit, Line 2 has more opportunity to score. Additionally you hope that by giving them choice minutes (albeit in lesser amounts) Line 4 also produces something (instead of the nothing we’re getting from 3 and 4).
Of course this jetissons Rolston, and we know that’s not happening, but you could slot him in Ulstrom’s spot in my scenario.
I like the idea, because giving the JT line softer minutes obviously would increase o production, and theoretically if Bailey can't score against 4th line~ competition with NN and DU, there's a problem.
I just question how well Reasoner and Pandolfo could handle the oppositions best. Pandolfo is old and has at times looked really bad this year, and Reasoner has had arguably the worst season of his career. Martin, is a sparkplug though and I’d love him forechecking and wearing down the opponent’s best, while showing his d-skills(which is why he’s good on the PK). Theoretically, this would create noticably more O, but I just question how well the pandolfo/reasoner duo can play D still. Last year with the Panthers, Reasoner played solid D against top 6 compettition, but he also was playing alongside 2 decent top 6 forwards(forgot who they were, 1 was traded from the panthers mid-season I remember). And I think part of the reason is Pandolfo. Reasoner looked his best when Pandolfo was hurt, and I don’t think it’s coincidental. But who do we replace with Pandolfo is the question. Rolston plays safe, so as long as he doesn’t “float” in the o-zone too much, I think he could pass there. Obviously I doubt he’d like playing a full checking role, but it’s probably the best possible way to use his “slow but low-risk/low-reward offensive game” and “smarts”. I don’t love the idea of using Rolston against the oppositions best, but he is big and takes up space, he plays relatively smart, albeit slow and low-o productivity, so I think it just might work for now and is probably the best way to use the old guy. Maybe continue with your idea and make the lines:
1 MM-JT-KO
2 MG-FN-PAP
3 BR-MR-MMa
4 DU-JB-NN
Sounds good.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
You're right
that Reasoner/Pandolfo is a roll of the dice, but it’s one that could pay off. If it doesn’t, then you hope that Cizikas or Rak can take that on. I’ve liked Pandolfo’s play lately, especially in his own end, and I’m not sure Rolston has the desire to match Pandolfo’s effort. But if he does accept the role, he could succeed for the reasons you outline. Either way, I think if you get that line out with Hamonic/Amac as much as possible, it just might work.
But that line with Reasoner might get torched no matter what. I don’t know, but they’ve got to try and figure out a way to get more offense from the other lines. Oddly, improving the checking line might be the best way to do that.
Man
and I’m not sure Rolston has the desire to match Pandolfo’s effort. But if he does accept the role, he could succeed for the reasons you outline.
Man, this was my golden question before the season began: Will Rolston adjust to (and embrace) a lower-line role like Weight did. I figured if he excelled on the powerplay it’d be enough to keep him happy, but obviously that “if” never worked out.
For Weight, injuries got in the way. Not so much for Rolston.
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by Dominik on Jan 25, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The more I think about secondary scoring problems...
…the more I think it will fix itself when Rolston is taken out of the lineup.
What happened when the Isles let Comeau go? Bailey started playing much better and Okposo started playing much better. (Before Okoposo was added to the 1st line.)
And does anyone here think Rolston adds more to the Isles than Comeau did?
This still doesn’t solve the need for a physical 2nd liner, though. They probably need a stop-gap until Nino is ready for that role.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Are you suggesting replacing PAP on the 2nd line? I think last year when Grabs was out when Aidan was born, Martin took his place with Frans and KO. Martin has definitely been one of our best players this year and he has that physical style, why can’t he be the stop gap? Give him a couple of extra minutes a game, see what he’s really capable of. Put Nino into his role on the 3rd line and then swap them when Nino’s more experienced.
by dunnowhat2type on Jan 25, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, as much as I like PAP, he's not effective with two physically small line mates.
Grabner, Nielsen, Bailey, Rolston, PAP— all of them are out-muscled along the boards more often than not. So whatever combination Cappy puts together for the 2nd line, they get into the offensive zone, are neutralized, pinned to the boards, and give up the puck— more often than not.
Okposo and Tavares are each better along the boards than any of the above. And Moulson’s pretty good along the boards. That’s part of the reason why they are able to cycle the puck so well.
I agree: give Martin a chance on the 2nd line. (And Nino on the 3rd line, probably, towards the end of the season.)
But it would be nice to have the luxury of letting Nino play AHL to start next season (assuming it would be better for his development), so it would be good to have a stop-gap there as well.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 25, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
so it’d be something like
MM-JT-KO
MMa-FN-MG
NN-JB-PAP
DU-JP-TW
or whatever you want to do with the 4th line.
by dunnowhat2type on Jan 25, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Cappy, is that you?
Yeah, do whatever you’d like with the 4th line. That should help fix things.
Glad to be of service. (Go Isles!)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 26, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
You could also turn the 2nd line into a full blown "checking line" completely to play against the oppositions best.
Grabs scores best in transition, Nielsen is a defensive dynamo, and you could add Matt Martin’s forechecking and have a nice combo of smart d, fast d, and physical d to shutdown and wear down opponents. I think that combo could be very deadly, and having matt martin hitting the oppositions best is using him as you’d want him to be used.
Maybe make the lines:
MMo-JT-KO
MMa-FN-Grabs(or vice versa sides, but grabs can play either is seems)
PAP-JB-NN (or flip flop Nino)
BR-MR/JP-JP/MHaley/TWallace
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Martin is obviously the least skilled on that line, but his size/physicality/d-prowess/agitating qualities and little O could be a perfect thing to have against top opponents.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Not that you're wrong, or it's your idea, i just hate reading their initials or names.
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"BR-MR/"
Oh, God.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 25, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I was in Biloxi gambling and only skimmed through the game when I got home
Don Cherry said it himself. If the leafs make the playoffs the ratings will go through the roof. Looks like somebody wants those ratings.
And you can say I’m a broken record all you want, but let’s get somebody in here to protect these players.
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Islander Roulette
I don’t know much about roulette except it usually attracts the hottest women… most likely because they like to watch the pretty wheel go round and round.
But can’t you put a green chip ($25) on the corner of 19-20-22-23.
19-Trottier
20-Webb… you must be a Webb fan… and Bobby Ny wore it as a rookie.
22-Bossy
23-Mr Islander
Just a suggestion. please send 10% of all winnings to SAVE THE JP FUND… paypal address in my profile. :-)
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i wish capuano...
didn’t break up grabner-bailey-martin. i thought that line has better chemistry. they’re fun to watch together.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
