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Islanders/Leafs Notes; Yet More Fighting Talk; Tuesday Tickets

[Updated with a ticket offer for the Tuesday rematch from our partners TiqIQ. See the offer at the bottom of this post; act by 7 p.m. EST tonight.]

Additional notes for this looming home-and-home not reflected in the morning thread: The lineup is the same for the Islanders (Dylan Reese still in, Evgeni Nabokov still starting), while the Maple Leafs will start Jonas Gustavsson. This does not make Leafs fans unanimously happy.

Nabokov, by the way, got a Third Star of the Week nod from the NHL.

The Leafs, of course, have their targets trained on John Tavares since he has driven the Islanders offense for the last month. Both the Globe and Mail and Sun have gameday pieces on that, with Nazem Kadri saying the obvious: "I don't think Johnny likes getting hit too much." I'm betting that's why he's gotten better at eluding checks.

Star-divide

Additional Isles/Leafs Notes

Tavares may not like hitting much and he may be moderately talented, but he is a fantasy hockey watcher's delight.

Staple at Newsday takes on the Tavares critics. [$5 please]

Kevin at IPB formally joins the chorus of Re-Sign Nielsen and Parenteau Or Else. My intuitive side says this is a no-brainer and there's no way the Isles let either go for mere rental pricing. They simply can't afford to let talent like this walk -- to their credit, they haven't let such talent walk yet -- because, as Kevin notes, they have not shown the ability to acquire such players who would replace them. (And, I'd add, all prospects represent future hope, not present readiness.)

From the Isles game notes: A great snapshot of the difference between varied talent, roles and usage: "Frans Nielsen is two assists shy of 100 in his NHL career. John Tavares is three assists shy of his 100th. Josh Bailey scored the 100th point of his NHL career Thursday in Philadelphia."

Also, a special teams note worth considering trom the Gustavsson post at Pension Plan Puppets above:

Then 2012 came about and the Maple Leafs became a team full of Lady Byngs. Their PK per game rate has fallen by over 50% to just 1.8 shorthanded situations a game, and has operated to perfection killing off all 16 PKs they've faced. Is this due to a new system? Possibly as this comes after noted heated PK related arguments at Leafs practice between players and coaches. Is it just due to luck and a regression to the mean? Yeah, a fair bit I would say.

So the Leafs PK is hot lately. Have they finally made a fix? (Regardless, staying out of the box is huge.) It'll be fun to watch over the next two nights. The Islanders don't take many penalties, so special teams could become insignificant -- or pivotal, depending on which trends hold.

Other Sources of Hockey Amusement

Steve Tambellini is untouchable.

Lee Stempniak's brother will defend him high and low on the innernetz. It's funny, because Stempniak's hat trick was a little fortuitous (though any hat trick often is): One great shot and a couple Khabibulin should want back. I noticed because Blake Comeau picked up some points that night, including a nice shot of his own.

A New York Times piece quotes both Gabe Desjardins (stats guru and founder of Behind the Net) and the gang that published that study that sort of claimed fights change "momentum" bot not necessarily for one team or the other. Everyone asked said essentially, statistically speaking, "Fighting has no effect on winning." Quotes from Scotty Bowman loom large, as he ran four Cup winners in the last two decades that were among the bottom of the league in fighting majors: "That was always my theory. You have to stand up to the other team, but if you have a guy that just specializes in fighting, it’s a handicap."

I doubt anyone on either side in this oft-misconstrued debate could differ with that last quote. The ideal workaround is to have good players who can also fight. Alas, there aren't enough Milan Lucic's to go around. The melodrama comes in when people disagree over how good that player has to be, or how able their favorite fighter is.

Speaking of Desjardins, his notes from attending a game in Phoenix jibe with my own impressions upon a road trip there last season: "I don't think hockey is destined to fail in Phoenix by any stretch of the imagination. But it is certainly destined to fail in Glendale." Don't think I'd prefer a Hard Rock to a Margaritaville though, all told.

Finally, I found Eric Duhatschek's description of Gary Bettman right on and reflective of his public persona:

Bettman also took time to exchange pleasantries with reporters before the start of the game - and occasionally in the past, in that sort of setting, would stray slightly off message. Not on this night though. No matter what the topic - Phoenix’s future, collective bargaining, outdoor game, supplementary discipline, player safety issues - Bettman kept his cards close to the vest. He really is a fascinating man to banter with - careful, cautious, always wary about where there might be a trap in the line of questioning. This was a masterful performance, in many ways, as he girds up for the first round of negotiations on the next collective bargaining agreement with the players association.

If you add this to the reality of Bettman's job both pleasing and guiding his many disagreeing bosses, you have the context you need to parse any Bettman move or public statement.

Again, I don't find Bettman's style appealing, but I do find it fascinating as an indicator of all the forces behind the scenes, for which he is the public face.

Ticket Offer for Tuesday Night's Rematch

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Isles fans: Here's a special alert on tickets for tomorrow night's game against the Maple Leafs: Through our ticket partner TiqIQ, you can "make an offer" and essentially pick your price on tickets from Score Big: For a "1 star seat" that would usually cost you close to $40 after all the fees, you can get in for an offer of around $20, with no additional shipping or handling. But you need to move fast, as this deal expires at 7 p.m. Eastern tonight (Monday!). So make an offer now: http://tiqiq.us/6~9.

If this kind of thing is helpful, we'll definitely do it more often.

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That Kadri comment is stupid

Truth be told, NO hockey player likes to get hit much, which is why it pisses them off, regardless of player or context. reality is, anytime you have a superior talent on the ice, be it Crosby, Toews, Tavares, Stamkos, Kessel, whomever, there is only one way to bridge the talent gap and slow him down, and that is to hit him hard and often…the onus is on said star’s team to protect him, meaning any hit, even if legal, has to be answered. There are many ways to do this, including hitting their best players back hard and often. You do have to protect your stars, simple reality is any player getting hit hard a few times a game is going to become injured. This process is as old as hockey itself, and won’t change, at least until they make the NHL rinks bigger and that isn’t happening anytime soon. BTW, Kadri is a bust of an early first round pick.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 23, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

I think he was just saying they need to play the body

But it is kind of silly: Generally players prefer not to be hit, unless they’re the type who needs that to get the juices flowing.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 23, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

An exception in *many* ways!

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 23, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Kadri and Tavares played together in London. Maybe he’s saying that he can tell it knocks him off his game a bit more than the usual player from their time as teammates?

"I myself am made up entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions."

by Blinky on Jan 23, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Full quote
“He’s a gifted player, one that we’ll have to pay close attention to,” Kadri said. “I don’t think Johnny likes to getting hit too much so we need to try to put the body on him.”

I think that’s an agreeable statement.

"I myself am made up entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions."

by Blinky on Jan 23, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh...

The wonderful world of context.

"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 23, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt

That full quote certainly wasn’t run in every publication where part of it appeared. Certainly not meaning to mislead anyone into rage here.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 23, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Start Martin on RW With Tavares If Kadri is Out There Against JT

Just the first couple of shifts. Like Al would do, putting Howatt on LW with Trottier and Bossy. Just to get the other team thinking.

by rmblifn on Jan 23, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Okposo can handle it

If anyone touches him he’ll FN kill ’em.

No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring

by Anarcurt on Jan 23, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like being hit, either

So I developed my skills to avoid being hit.

Seemed like a smart thing to do at the time.

Amateurs practice til they get it right. Professionals practice til they can't get it wrong.

by Torgo on Jan 23, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

TGH index

Tavares get hit

Lighthouse Hockey - Trying to figure out why JT is good but not great.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 23, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Tavares gets hit all the time

Last week it was ESPN, this week it’s The Hockey News. I’m sure Larry Brooks is sure to chime in at some point.

Oh. He means in a game?

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Jan 23, 2012 3:39 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Just read THN's article... tells me nothing I don't know.

I’m going to be a crank and write a letter to the editor.

It’ll have just two words that I won’t print here explaining why the Isles haven’t rebounded like Tampa, Chicago, Pitt, etc. I won’t write them here but I’ll give you a hint both words start with M, and he once beat a Ranger$ fan with his shoe.

by Jones79 on Jan 23, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Make sure you have an onion on your belt

as it was the style at the time.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Jan 23, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Only green onions

They didn’t have white onions…..because of the war.

by Nick (LetThereBeLighthouse) on Jan 23, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This screen shot is funny every time.

What I wouldn’t have given to have grown up in Springfield with Bart and Millhouse.

"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 23, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I already feel disturbingly like Ms Crabappel...

And Ive unfortunately dated one too many Ottos.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 23, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

HA! How great is it that she loves hockey players and rock bands?

Add in that I was a teacher for 6 years and its gets eerie lol.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 23, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been calling you Crandell!

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jan 23, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ottos have good intentions

link

"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 23, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Kadri likes to...

keep his mouth shut very much.

"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 23, 2012 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

To me, it seems like...

Nazim Kadri doesn’t like scoring at the NHL level too much.

by Icelanders on Jan 23, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think the two are all that comparable, I mean tavares has a rule named after him for exceptional talent.

Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.

by elseldo on Jan 23, 2012 4:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I doubt it. he probably really enjoys scoring goals

Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.

by elseldo on Jan 23, 2012 5:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Let them try to hit him!!

Im sure whatever they try wont be enough to stop JT, & stupid comments from a player who’s not fit to lace his skates should be more worried about evading hits himself when he’s on the ice. I hope a big hit from one the guys might make him think twice about opening his mouth.

3 Teams 3 Different Sports Same Torture!!!

by Kung Fu Panda 48 on Jan 23, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Just don't let Phaneuf hit Tavares.

"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 23, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Protecting JT

Is an important matterr which Canadianisleslifer commented upon. Stars are best protected not by goons, which we do not have, but by aggressive good sized 4th line forwards and big D who can play that part. The Moulsons, Okposos, Ralstons,Ninos, etc are forwards with size who are not big hitters, nor is Jurcina thje only big guy on D. Haley plays very little. We have one excellent guy, – Martin. But is one guy enough for the target practice on JT that may be coming?

by altosax on Jan 23, 2012 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Pension plan puppets:

Yes, Jonas Gustavsson is starting in net, and yes, the New York Islanders have won three games in a row heading into tonight, but let’s face it: they’re still the New York Islanders, and the Leafs are facing them at the ACC. After a disappointing loss against the Habs, this is the perfect rebound opportunity. Even with those three consecutive wins, the Islanders are still just one point out of last place in the Eastern Conference.

These are self centered writers at that blog, as if you’d think any fan of the Leafs would believe another is better.
This BS about JT has to stop. It’s almost like he has a target on his back and the other team must get him out of the game.
Beat these guys like we did the Capitols and maybe we’ll earn some respect.
Lets Go Islanders!!

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on Jan 23, 2012 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

which blog has self centred writers?

Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.

by elseldo on Jan 23, 2012 5:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

All of them

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 23, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

ah okay. I’m reading on the bus and getting easily confused today.

Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.

by elseldo on Jan 23, 2012 5:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

trying to take out JT is a strange sign of respect

Of course, Toronto might not want to permanently break their future star.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
Lighthouse Hockey - a beacon of greatness on the rocky coast of sports blog mediocrity
Non-hockey scribblings at nightflyblog

by mikb on Jan 23, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no doubt TO has always wanted JT

But there is a team there that hasn’t been in the playoffs in years,,,,yes, just like us.
But to go around with the “better than you” attitude is stupid.
And it didn’t just start now.

I care a lot about the Isles and hockey. I used to belong to a TO blog.
They had a live chat during the draft when the Isles got JT.
The moderator told me if the Islanders pick JT, he will boot me.
Anyone want to guess what happened next?
So I haven’t been back.

When you haven’t won a Stanley Cup since 1967, you should not be going around telling everyone else how bad they are.

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on Jan 23, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The Toronto Maple Leafs and their organization calls themselves

“The Center of the Hockey World”

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on Jan 23, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

don’t want to toss a laffs in there with the 1967 reference?

Resident teetotaler married to a habs fan. Who is also not a fan of most dogs.

by elseldo on Jan 23, 2012 5:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I hate to have to point this out

It’s just maybe kinda-sorta possible that you said something amiss in that live chat, or beforehand (if you were a frequent visitor), or generally annoyed the chat moderators to the point that they scapegoated you when the pick came down – if for no other reason than to avoid what might have followed in the thread afterward. Or it may not even have been personal.

Not saying that you didn’t get a bum rush – I wasn’t there – but is it possible there’s another side to this? Or that this event in that chat still chafes a bit, and left you very sensitive to anything that TO blogs might say now?

I’m just saying that before we have that “us v. them” fight in here, let’s take a step back for a bit.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
Lighthouse Hockey - a beacon of greatness on the rocky coast of sports blog mediocrity
Non-hockey scribblings at nightflyblog

by mikb on Jan 23, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

Let’s do our talking on the ice.

Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!

by Martys301 on Jan 23, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

TML: 51 points
NYI: 44 points

We’re better than you. It’s not a superiority complex, it’s a fact.

"I myself am made up entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions."

by Blinky on Jan 23, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess when all you have is one year, you have to put a lot of stock in it.

by afrosupreme on Jan 23, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Really Blinky?

Trolling time already?

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 23, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m not trolling dude. I’m just trying to understand all the PPP hate going on here. This is an awesome and well run blog. I leave the trolling for when we play the Habs. Sorry if it came off that way.

"I myself am made up entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions."

by Blinky on Jan 23, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

One guy

calls the writer self-centered and that’s a lot of PPP hate?

by afrosupreme on Jan 23, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Self-centered, bigoted, 1967, etc. I think that’s a little misguided. But hey, how about a good game tonight, eh?

"I myself am made up entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions."

by Blinky on Jan 23, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It looked like he was airing some Toronto forum grievance from 2009

So I don’t know that using this season’s standings and “we’re better than you” is going to make this conversation get any more productive.

Just let the residents police, or we’ll end up with another lovely flamefest diversion.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 23, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I brought up “we’re better than you” because that was his phrasing and I was going for parallel structure. Personally, the Leafs aren’t that good and we’ve still got a lot of unaddressed problems to fix. I know a lot of Leafs fans act holier than thou, but it’s really all in a self-deprecating jest. Haha.

"I myself am made up entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions."

by Blinky on Jan 23, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Got it.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 23, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

*giggle*

Wow… I guess 9th place can really get to your head.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 23, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid comment....which I hope KO reads in the lockerroom

More worried about Toronto’s speed and breakout tonight and not about their hitting (caveat: unless Phaneuf’s true colors show up).

by 4PeatSake on Jan 23, 2012 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

I bet they're afraid of KO

But not because of his fists. let’s remember his “fight” earlier in the year.he’s a big strong guy, but obviously a very nice one as well. Nice to see the mean streak, but he’s going to have to get a little tougher in the fighting department if he wants to scare people.

Lighthouse Hockey - Trying to figure out why JT is good but not great.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 23, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

KO might be a sweet kid who his teammates call Harry Potter

But I know I would not want to piss him off.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 23, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

TiqIQ deal for tomorrow night (bid by 7 p.m.)

Anybody reading this and interested in going to tomorrow night’s rematch? There is a “make your offer” deal detailed at the end of the post now.

The link is above, through SB Nation’s ticket partner TiqIQ. The catch is you have to do this by 7 p.m. EST tonight (sorry, late notice).

If this is something people are typically interested in, we can do more (and ideally promote them earlier). If you do it, let me know about your experience so I have a better idea of 1) whether to pass these on in the future and 2) how best to do so.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 23, 2012 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

It's a Nightmare...surrounded by Leafs fans everywhere, and I just want to find a place to watch the game without them

log on to LHH and what to I find ahhhhh, there here too! My favourite site, in my house, my neighbours, co-workers, in the streets, the stores, there everywhere here…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 23, 2012 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

There is worse

You could be surrounded by bama fans yelling Roll Tide every 6 and half seconds.

Lighthouse Hockey - Trying to figure out why JT is good but not great.

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 23, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be even more worse

You could be followed by Ranger fans.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jan 23, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In your shower….

he. he. he.

"I myself am made up entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions."

by Blinky on Jan 23, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  


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