Islanders vs. Hurricanes: Nice Knowing Ya, Fleeting Patrick Brothers
How impressive was that Islanders 3-0 dismissal of the Capitals? Because the Hurricanes just did the same thing, albeit at home.
Islanders (18-21-6, 13th/E) vs. Hurricanes (17-24-8, 15th/E)
7 p.m. | MSG+2 (*unless you have TWC) | Audio: NHL - WRHU
Nassau [gloriously unsponsored] Veterans Mem. Coliseum
Also thumping the Caps: Canes Country
When these teams met for the first of three meetings this month, it was their first matchup since the announcement the Hurricanes would be added to a reconstituted Patrick Division under NHL realignment. Then came CBA politics. So much for that; as you were. The Southeast lives, with its two leaders tied for both first in the division and eighth in the conference.
Conference-wide, we're definitely seeing tiers develop, with the Hurricanes and Islanders in the bottom tier joined by Tampa Bay, Buffalo and Montreal as five teams with either 42 or 43 points entering today's competition.There are a whopping 14 games in the NHL today, so lots of Bettman Bonus Points to be had and lots of potential movement. If teams like the Islanders keep up a more competent pace and pretenders like Montreal and Toronto continue to falter, there could be an entertainingly broad bottom tier of teams whose fans swing from "lottery tank!" and "playoffs!!!1" on a nightly basis.
I assume something like that is what the Bettman Bonus Point is all about.
Islanders Lineup: A You Were
Steve Staios remains scratched for the third consecutive game and Evgeni Nabokov starts again. There was initially the suggestion of "rest" from Newsday after the first scratch, but now it's billed as simply healthy scratch.
It's hard to argue with the results, Dylan Reese doing fine and the Islanders winning both games.
On that note, fans remember some rough games from Reese last year (ahem) and are remarking that the Reese they've seen this season is someone else. There was talk in early season of him getting some helpful guidance from Bridgeport coach Brent Thompson, and he's certainly at the age of adapt-or-remain as far as NHL aspirations are concerned. Here's how Reese is quoted in Newsday today:
"I think some of the worst games I played last season were the ones that I'd come up the night before, just saw the guys for the first time in a month, maybe, was cast into the game to finish up. I feel this year, so far, has been undoubtedly the best of the three, and when the team's winning, the atmosphere is better, happier; that's a huge part of it."
Reese's skating and puck ability has always been his asset. Keep the game simple, cut down on mistakes, and his puck relief ends up being a bonus. (Especially in contrast to Mike Mottau's play most of this season.)
Hurricanes
By the numbers, the Islanders special teams are considerably better than the Canes and they give up fewer shots. The two teams are tied in points, though the Canes have played four more games and have three more regulation losses. Locally they think there are signs of a turnaround though.
They've already begun their selloff though, trading Alexei Ponikarovsky last night to the Devils for a 4th and a college grad defenseman. In Lou We Trust calls the trade an "excellent rental" for the Devils, but of course they're the trusting sort. The Devils demoted Mattias Tedenby to make room, which might spare us hearing that pronunciation next Devils game day.
Cam Ward played last night, but he plays practically every night (42 games so far). We'll see if they give him rest on the road.
Links
- Reading/discussion from LHH the last few days: Mark's second episode of the Lost Milbury Files (Berard) | A FanPost looking at Nino Niederreiter's internship this season | Some numbers on how John Tavares' linemates are scoring even more this season as his possession figures take off.
- Also, ghalbert watched Anders Lee and Robbie Russo play for Notre Dame on NBC Sports last night and gave a little report. Anyone else watch? Impressions? [Here's another report on ND's 3-1 win.]
- Here is the suspension video for the sucker punch to Ryan Strome's face. Ouch. Love the OHL intro graphic/sound effects though.
- Eric Hornick's history lesson today is a beauty, recounting (one of) the time(s) the Islanders punched back on the decaying Bruins.
- John Tavares is tied for the longest point streak in the league this year. If he gets another point tonight...last year's marks will be next.
- QMI on Blake: "Effort always seems to be there for Comeau, who was plucked from the New York Islanders via waivers in November. Results don’t always follow." They say he's getting chances though.
- The NHL and PA have settled a dispute over Hockey Related Revenues from last season, so the players' escrow checks are now in the mail. I really have zero sympathy for either side.
- It's a long shot, but you never know: The Oilers could pull of the rare Quebec Sundin-Nolan-Lindros feat.
- ESPN discusses which forwards are on the market. There seems to be a lot of desire for top-sixers.
- OT and frivolous: Is Philadelphia getting slightly less rude?
Of course the scratching of NHL realignment for next year means two classic Isles villains will not be behind the bench of divisional opponents. So enjoy this Kirk Muller visit, just like you enjoyed beating the reptile's team in D.C.
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Leave your First Islanders Goal picks in this thread. Remember even if you're waaay behind like yours truly, you can catch up quick with a few multi-point nights.
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One question:
Are we sure Muller’s gonna show up?
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Jan 21, 2012 12:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions 6 recs
Dddaaaaaaaammmmmmnnnnnn
That punch to Strome’s face was not nice at all. What is his diagnosis? It looked a lot like the video of the Rangers fan getting smoked in Philly. Get well soon Ryan, and no more fights for you, please.
by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 21, 2012 1:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
What is his diagnosis?
Islander face.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 21, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Is that all?
Thank goodness. The way he went down, was wondering if he had the dreaded concussion.
Also, yea, the sound effect to start the video is awesome.
Yup, as far as Ive seen- hope nothing worse comes up!
Although- Islander face did fuck Jackman, Hillen, and DiPi up pretty bad.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 21, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
On a side note...
My kid will be in a group singing God Bless America at today’s game. Should be fun.
by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 21, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
thats really cool man
congrats to your kid and family!
go isles!
by Nomore_Okposto on Jan 21, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Great!
Enjoy.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Tell him to take it all in
I sang the national anthem at several Isles games when I was in high school. It’s an amazing experience. If they’re singing down on the ice, that’s the coolest. You really need to take a moment and just look around.
We are still in negotiations...
I will let you know how it works out. My first offer was for deferred compensation in the form of college tuition, but the PA rejected it. I then counter-offered with an alternate program whereby she would “get nothing and like it” as first proposed by Judge Smaills from Caddyshack. I await response from her representation.
by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 21, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is your kid part of Jack Rabbit Slim?
Seriously though thats awesome and congrats!
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
No, it's just a nice thing that her elementary school is doing
Last year Grabs and Mottaou (sp?) visited their school and the very next day Mattaou got his face smashed. Grabs is still her favorite player to this day.
by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 21, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
That's pretty cool.
Great for the kids. I don’t remember my elementary school doing anything remotely cool. I think we had Anthony Prior when he played for the Jets come in haha. Only reason I know is because going through my parents basement, I found an autographed 94 jets calendar lol.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
From the ESPN piece on top 6 wants
“There’s 15 to 20 teams right now that are aggressively calling the three or four or five teams that they think are appropriate to call. And there’s nothing happening with those teams right now.”
I’d have assumed we were one of those teams appropriate to call, but later no Isles players are mentioned (BUF, CBJ, EDM, CAR, ANA are). Do we read that as the league doesn’t have interest in Frans or PAP? Or do we read it that Snow has signaled they’re not for sale?
I was thinking the latter
That they’re not for sale, or at least not until extension negotiations begin and fail.
These are always a little he-said/she-said, but is it interesting to anyone else that top-six is the desire and top-four D (the usual dream of all 30 teams) isn’t mentioned? Are that many teams looking for offense? Or is this just your usual, “I wish I had one more D and one more scoring forward” that every team always wants?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Yea
It’s interesting that they mention games are close, and an extra goal could be the difference, but they’d rather go about trying to create that goal, rather than preventing it.
If it really is the case that teams don’t want defense as much, might that also mean teams are more likely to move a defenseman for help on offense?
Every year games are close
This season has had its share of blowouts and solid wins. All three local games Thursday ended 4-1.
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 21, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
For Sale or Not
I don’t really anticipate the Islanders making ANY splash at the deadline. The assets we have aren’t worth handcuffing the future for. To be quite honest, I don’t even see us unloading Nabby at the break. Even if we get nothing in return, I’ll be happy to have him playing out the rest of the season. Pretty sure PAP resigns. Seems to be enjoying his time here, but I could be wrong.
But Seriously, we don’t really have anyone we can trade away for quality picks. Bailey may be the only one I can think of, but I’d rather not see him go for a 3rd round pick.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
I can see
Snow offering Nabby a 1 or 2 year extension to be the starter and give the team a solid chance at making noise in the playoffs. But it comes down to Nabby. Does he want to make his last hurrah with us leading the team, or backing up on another team that is closer to the Cup.
The realist in me sees the latter happening, and us trading him at the deadline for a 2nd or 3rd rounder or possibly a mid-range pick.
Amateurs practice til they get it right. Professionals practice til they can't get it wrong.
I can see him running to a more competitve team whose starting goalie job isnt set in stone
like chicago. even tampa, who seem to be playing worse than us, seems desperate for a goalie. only a year ago they were really competitive until rollie hit the wall, maybe thats all they need to return to form.
everybody "wong" chung tonight
by potvins_cups on Jan 21, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN probably didn't add any Isles players because they don't think NHL teams can trade with AHL teams.
El oh el.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
Fail.
ESPN probably didn't add any Isles players because they don't think NHL teams can trade with AHL teams.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
Fail double?
Delete these please. Clearly I need to take a 2 minute trip to the box for failing to post properly.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
Or hit the preview button.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 21, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Go to the box
“You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free.”
3-point system?
Does anybody know where I can find standings with W-OTW-SOW-L-OTL-SOL listed?
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
ESPN has it. Looks like they call wins in OT, ROW (Regulation + Overtime Win). Personally, I put those in the same category as a shootout, because to me, once you give a point and go 4 on 4, you’ve already moved into Gimmick Time.
by afrosupreme on Jan 21, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The ROW is because that is a tie-breaker for playoff seeds
Ken Holland pushed that change before last season — so that teams tied in points, the team that “won” games in some semblance of open play got the nod over the team that won more breakaway drills.
(I agree 4 on 4 with no consequence is already Gimmick Time.)
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Yea
Actually, looking now, ESPN doesn’t seem to have wins in OT, but not shootouts tallied anywhere. Not sure if that’s available.
No idea why they don't put it all together
But at NHL.com you can at least see combined OT/SO records, and SO separately.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I am keeping track
I’ll post it up on the google doc I use for the 10 game chunks. Chunk 5 starts filling up tonight as Carolina and another team hit the 5-0 tonight.
It won’t be done til sometime in early February. Hooray for NHL scheduling!
Amateurs practice til they get it right. Professionals practice til they can't get it wrong.
Through last night
Eastern Conference… 3 point system on the left (treats OTW/SOW as 2 pts, OTL/SOL as 1 pt), 2 point system on the right.

I’m lazy, I didn’t move the SouthLeast division leader to 3rd. Please use your imaginations to visualize that.
New Jersey and their 11 2-pt wins are hit the hardest, dropping from 6th to 9th. Otherwise, there isn’t much change in where teams are.
The Isles are 10 points out in the Welfare point system (5 wins), but 12 points out in the system that makes sense (4 wins). Games between playoff chasing teams become 6 point affairs rather than just 4 point affairs, with a real incentive to win in regulation.
Amateurs practice til they get it right. Professionals practice til they can't get it wrong.
Thanks
I’m lazy, I didn’t move the SouthLeast division leader to 3rd.
I actually prefer it that way. I wanna know who has points — and I can figure out the div. leaders. It always throws me for a loop when a team in second place drops to 4th or 5th because their rival jumped them.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
And our goalie asks at the 1st intermission:
“Why is our crowd booing their coach?”
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 21, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Followed by Peter asking
“Isn’t it great to have a coach in the building who cut his teeth for so many years in a great hockey market like Montreal?”
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Eric Staal
“Great to see you, you look great in that Canes Uniform. I hope you score 6 goals tonight!”
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
"Pssssssstttttttttt... Eric come here.
Hey man, can you get me a job with the Canes? They all hate me here. "
Eric:“No way dude, Canes fans don’t want to hear about Montreal either.”
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 21, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
big games
win the next 3 and we actually are back in it, all this speculating about how many points we need and what are record needs to be, it matters just as much who we beat, and we need to create separation between us and the canes and start narrowing the gap between us and leafs. 3 wins here brings us right back to where we want to be.
I don't think we'll be back in it
But it will look that way and sometimes that’s half the battle!
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I don't care if they make it back into the race.
I want to see 3 wins because I want this team to start to take the next step to becoming competitive.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 21, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I want them to do well enough to see progress, but not so well that management wrongly believes they have more in place than they do.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Speaking of Tiers
Didn’t realize how big CaptDallas, Skeeterman, and PGI are killing it in the FIG. I JUST got my first points in the Nashville game and see no way to get back in that race haha.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
Oops
Devils/flyers game
Talbot just got leveled while he was trying to crash the net. Always brings a smile to my face.
by Empire39 on Jan 21, 2012 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!
Put a smile on my face to, can’t think why oh yeah he’s a F#%$¥ng RAT FACE….
3 Teams 3 Different Sports Same Torture!!!
by Kung Fu Panda 48 on Jan 21, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right
And then he jumps up to try and to redeem himself. To me it looked more like a guy who just got embarrassed.
by Empire39 on Jan 21, 2012 3:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If I was him!!
I’d be embarrassed looking in the mirror. Likes to dish it out can’t take it when it comes full circle.
3 Teams 3 Different Sports Same Torture!!!
by Kung Fu Panda 48 on Jan 21, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Cheap Shot against the boards!!
Ference on McDonaugh, just gave the Rangers 5 on 4 for the remainder of OT
3 Teams 3 Different Sports Same Torture!!!
by Kung Fu Panda 48 on Jan 21, 2012 3:37 PM EST reply actions
He just handed the Rags the game
Id be furious if i was a boston fan
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
I saw that hit
It was unnecessary. Shanny might have to doll out punishment for that.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
Jack Edwards awfully silent throughout that entire play
What, no grandiose self-righteous speeches when a Bruin is dirty?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
We are better than Carolina............
because they play in a much weaker division.
We all know he's just scared of that goon Frans
Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers 7m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
#Flyers GM Paul Holmgren announced that Danny Briere is out indefinitely with a concussion
Retweeted by Bob McKenzie
but on a serious note, it sucks that someone else in the NHL is out with a concussion
islanders hockey, making a sane person go insane during finals week
Having trouble finding a nyc bar to watch the game.
Most of these “hockey” bars are really Ranger bars. Anyone know of a good place that’s tolerant to other hockey ideologies?
How about Stout’s? Now that the rag game is over, maybe they would show the game?
Fucking time warner…it’s about time I warn them of my canceling of services.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
by Bryan2112 on Jan 21, 2012 4:53 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I would think any bar would show the game now
Both the rags and devils played this afternoon so im sure they would play it
islanders hockey, making a sane person go insane during finals week
by DarthDoyle on Jan 21, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Idk, the knicks are playing tonght
and a “local” bar might want to devote all TV’s to them, esp. stouts since they’re close to the garden. but if you aren’t chain averse I would think a Friday’s or a Chili’s wouldnt give you grief
everybody "wong" chung tonight
by potvins_cups on Jan 21, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Any place that has NHL Center Ice advertised
When I worked in the city St Marks Ale House would put on any hockey game. I’m sure there are more out there. Mr. Biggs in hells kitchen has a ton of TVs. I’m sure you could get a game there.
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
Why wouldn't bar put the game on for you?
Don’t they want to make money? No reason to have center ice, then not turn the game on for a customer.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 21, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
It probably doesn't help you, but...
if you make it to Applebees in Dover/Rockaway, NJ, my mother-in-law would put the game on for you.
Amateurs practice til they get it right. Professionals practice til they can't get it wrong.
by Torgo on Jan 21, 2012 5:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And the big wheel on turning neon burning up above
And Im just high on the world
Come on and take the low ride with me girl
On the tunnel or love
Well its been money for muscle another whirligig
Money for muscle another girl I dig
Another hustle just to make it big
And rockaway rockaway
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 21, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Try Mean Fiddler
It’s at 8th Ave and 47th. Its just on the edge of the theatre district so unusually civil for midtown. I’ve had good luck there many times. And if you or anyone else ever made it to Hoboken, there’s lots of options
by BobSulli on Jan 21, 2012 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hammer got his tooth fixed!!
Back to looking 15 years old.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 21, 2012 6:37 PM EST reply actions
Islanders are 1 of only 2 teams....
to have 3 or more players score at least 40 points this season
JT has 48 points
MM has 43
PAP has 41
the only other team is Chicago, who actually have 4
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Jan 21, 2012 11:44 PM EST reply actions

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