Islanders Bits: Nabokov Rests; LeBrun Digs You
From The Skinny for last night's game:
Last 5 Islanders with 10+ Game Point Streaks
• Pierre Turgeon (1993-94) 13 games
• Ziggy Palffy (1997-98) 13 games
• Mariusz Czerkawski (1999-2000) 13 games
• Mark Parrish (2001-02) 12 games
• John Tavares (2011-12) 11 games
Wow, that's some interesting company.
So many links and snippets to discuss, we better get to this.
Islanders Links and News
From practice today, Evgeni Nabokov gets a well earned rest day. Lines remained unchanged, obviously.
Nabokov's quote in the notes after last night's win I think are insightful from a goalie who watches these things:
"In the beginning of the year, we spent a lot of time in our own end. It’s always tough to play hockey when you’re chasing the opponent. We had too many turnovers in our game and that resulted in defensive zone time. Now we play in their end. We have a lot of skill up front, they can cycle the puck and we create scoring chances. We break other teams down. I thought that the forwards are going a great job of getting the pucks deep and forechecking them, and defensively we’ve played well, as well. The special teams, have played well too, and that’s the key to success."
Again, I don't think the Islanders have turned a major corner or suddenly become a great possession team. Even over the past month and a half, they're basically a .500 team. But they have improved -- obviously John Tavares' breakout helps immensely -- and they're playing more intelligently given their overall talent limitations. Some of the areas Nabokov opined on are areas discussed in last night's recap.
Dylan Reese discusses his fight with Claude Giroux last night both in that game notes link and in this IPB post.
Giroux's line, by the way, has been struggling and that didn't change against the Isles.
In ESPN's "Daily Debate" -- which excludes Scott Burnside, depriving the longtime Thrashers advocate of a chance to bash the Islanders in five words or less -- Craig Custance and Pierre LeBrun discuss the Islanders' play of late. I agree with LeBrun 100% here [emphasis mine]:
This is the Islanders team I thought we’d see from the get-go this season. I do believe this is indeed the evolution of a young and talented team that will make the playoffs ... next season. The Isles dug too big a hole for themselves this season, much to the chagrin of their loyal and maligned fan base. I respect few fans more than I do Islanders fans. To stick with this team this long after what they’ve been through, that’s true loyalty. I agree with Katie [Strang] on Tavares; in fact, I’d argue he found another level in his game in October compared to last season and now has raised his game yet another notch in January.
When I say agree with all of it, I mean that -- including this is "the team I thought we'd see from the get-go." Not a playoff team, mind you, but one that was in every game and playing at a competitive enough pace to keep playoff dreams alive most of the season.
But we'll see how it goes.
- Tonight: Catch Anders Lee on NBC Sports tonight as Notre Dame plays Michigan. Details in Pauly C.'s FanShot.
- Cool write-up on P.A. Parenteau's journey to the NHL.
- How badly do you want Ken Morrow's Miracle on Ice jersey?
- From Bridgeport: Colliton happy to be back skating, working on his skills - Connecticut Post
- A little more from Fornabaio on guys getting closer to health.
- Also: Rhett Rakhshani is happy to be back, happy to be scoring.
- Video: Nystrom Tribute Video - NHL VideoCenter - NY Islanders
- Poor Radek Martinek has been declared done for the season (concussion) after appearing in only seven games. I did not think that man's luck could get worse.
Lather, Rinse, Repeat [$5 please]:
The Nassau County Legislature will hold a hearing next month on plans to develop the 77-acre Hub property.
The Economic and Community Development and Labor Committee will hear from county officials and regional planners on Feb. 14.
This ... all ... sounds ... so ... familiar.
Hockey General
- Quoth Keith on this fight: "This wasn't violent enough considering how much I dislike both." Eric Tangradi vs Stu Bickel, Jan 19, 2012 - Pens vs Blueshirts - hockeyfights.com
- Fight history: Rosaire Paiement vs Bobby Orr, Mar 2, 1972 - Nucks vs B's - hockeyfights.com
- You know Ryan Strome has facial fractures thanks to some ugly stuff in a recent game. Teammate Dougie Hamilton gets 10 games. OHL Network (Hamilton Suspension Video 10 games)
- I can believe this: Zdeno Chara - Boston Bruins - NHL Players Poll: Hardest Hitter - Photos - SI.com
- It hurts to say, but Matt Cooke did not slew foot last night.
- The Brian Elliott contract extension -- with Jaroslav Halak already under contract -- made me look at how much cap space teams have devoted to their goalies right now.
- Any kayak fans among us? Watch Evgeny Kuznetsov row his kayak to center ice during goal celebration in KHL (Video) | Puck Daddy
Digging into Obscure Playoff Chances
Finally, with the eighth seed now several counties instead of three states away, people are checking themselves against reality, to remind just how unlikely a playoff push is. Mark turned to SportsClubStats for some figures:
According to SportsClubStats.com the Islanders have an overall 1.8% chance of making the playoffs. Fortunately though, the Islanders still control their own destiny. If the Islanders can get to 97 points or better, they would make the playoffs. But to get to 97 points though they would need to go on a 25-7-5 run to finish off the season. They'd still have a good chance of making the playoffs if they got between 93 points (88.6% chance) and 96 points (99.6% chance). Even 93 points is a bit of a reach, as the team would have to go 23-9-5.
And 92 points, which is considered the normal playoff cutoff, would require a 23-10-4 run. That would give the Isles a 75% chance of making the playoffs, according to the site.
After that though, the Islanders chances drop precipitously:
- 91 points (22-10-5) gives them a 59% chance
- 90 points (22-11-4) gives them a 42% chance
- 89 points (21-11-5) gives them a 25% chance
- 88 points (21-12-4) would give them a 14% chance
The rest are really far shots, with the last gasp being a .1% chance the team can make the playoffs at 83 points (18-14-5). With 37 games remaining the Islanders would have to win at above a 70% clip (depending on OTL/SOLs) to stay at or below the 10-loss (regulation) minimum.
That doesn't mean we can't have fun watching though.
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Don't jump on me anyone
but a playoff run seems totally unrealistic at this point. Even with our great run lately, we were 4-2 in our last 6. That pace wouldn’t even put us at 20-10 with 7 games left and needing 9 points in those 7 games.
Impossible, no, but we would need to keep up this level of play for over a quarter of a season with little to no slip-ups. I’m just hoping for the team to get as close as they can, and as many games over the .500 mark as they can, and like Lebrun said, next year we talk playoffs.
But for now, I’m still talking in my Jim Mora voice.
The New York Islanders: saving their best for the wrong conference since '05
I'd settle for 9th or 10th place
instead of 13th or 14th
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
by ilopan on Jan 20, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im with you, ilopan. Fuck the lottery, I want a winning season (which means >82 points in 82 games) :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
You may be right,
and you may be totally rational…..but manohman, I just wanna be thinking “Maybe” during the last month of the season for a change.
And even if we don’t get an invitation to the dance, I’d settle for making it into the parking lot and up the stairs before we get turned away at the door.
Being born in New York and rooting for the Islanders, Jets, and Mets. Yeah, I know.
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by CharlieIsles on Jan 20, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ha, colorful
And well said.
I personally think there’s zero chance of making the playoffs without some blueline upgrade that mortgages a piece of the future. However, since the regulars in comments discuss this team day and night every day, I figure part of the fun is in sketching out scenarios after each game and run of good or bad luck. It beats repeating the same thing every day.
Besides, it is crazy to see the bubble struggle. Florida and Washington atop their division one day, in the 8th seed the next.
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I was going to say
“Even if we don’t get invited to the dance by the cute blonde in Math class who you spent all of those lunch periods tutoring and even gave her your milk one day because she didn’t have anything to drink, and she doesn’t invite you because her A-hole boyfriend who is probably mean to her invited her, it is ok because screw the dance anyway, I’ll just stay home and watch Star Trek re-runs and play my Sega Genesis, because dances are for losers anyway.”
But I didn’t want to get personal.
And yeah, as long as we get to talk about “possible playoffs?” after each game, I’ll be happy.
Being born in New York and rooting for the Islanders, Jets, and Mets. Yeah, I know.
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by CharlieIsles on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Not only would we need to continue on a pro-longed sick run
we’d also need all of the other bubble teams to stay in the middle of the bell curve…ain’t happening.
Islanders standing points the last four seasons
2007-08: 79
2008-09: 61
2009-10: 79
2010-11: 73
If they get to 85-90 points and miss the playoffs, I’ll take it. At least they’d be heading in the right direction.
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You're right
It’s tough that October and especially November sunk us again, but there will be plenty to see the last few months as players come up from BP.
I will say, I hope some phantom playoff chances doesn’t prevent Garth from making a move if it’s there (looking at you Nabby).
Totally agree
I mentioned this in my post last week, but hopefully Garth isn’t blinded by some good play when he can add a piece that could help us in the future with a deal of a veteran at the deadline.
Although the way Nabby’s playing, eventhough trading him is definitely the right move, its hard to watch him go. His play should definitely up the ante though and we may make out nice. Kind of like that Osgood for Papi….no, not like that.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 20, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
This is critically important
hopefully Garth isn’t blinded by some good play when he can add a piece
I think their overall long-term trajectory is okay, but they need to not assume any good performance this year is a baseline.
Also (and this will sound contradictory to what I just said), need to get Frans and PAP signed when the time comes.
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I was just thinking that
As Pierre put it in the ESPN blog post:
Parenteau, meanwhile, is eligible for unrestricted free agency July 1. Good timing on his part to be putting up career numbers as well. Veteran agent Allan Walsh, who represents Parenteau, told me Friday morning that talks about an extension with the Islanders have not begun.
Is this any indication that PA’s on the block? Not having an extension discussion mid-season doesn’t necessarily mean anything, as I don’t think Garth and Marc Levine (Frans’ agent, I think) have spoken recently, but I think most of think that extension’ll happen at some point. Do the Isles view PA as a similarly important cog? PA may not resign for a one-year deal, and the Isles may not go 4-5 yrs, but would he go for a 2-yr deal?
Seems more like an indication that Garth hasn’t spoken to Walsh yet.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Feb-March
Seems to be when Snow likes to re-sign the big name UFAs coming up.
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I don't think so
For reference, veterans on one-year deals cannot begin extension talks until after Jan. 1. The normal thing is for it to happen some time after that but not too uncomfortably close to the trade deadline.
I’d expect to hear murmurs of talks in early February, though Moulson’s deal was announced at the end of January.
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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you mean
Osgood for Parenteau?
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Branislav Mezei?
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 21, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
I hope *everyone's* talking in their Jim Mora voice
It’s fun to have a carrot to chase, but really no one should imagine a team that is under NHL-.500 through 45 games is going to go 22-10-5 or better.
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But I can imagine a good team going 22-10-5 if they are very hot.
In other words, they have to average as many points as Philly has, or almost as many as Rangers/Bruins have thus far, in order to make the playoffs. That would be over-achieving even if Isles were to play just 2 or 3 “bad” games the rest of the way. (Because other team can still win even if Isles play well.)
Likely, no. Possible, I think so.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
No jumping here...
I agree. It’s just that it’s taken so long to get to the level of play that I expected “from the get go”
Three things (IMHO) have kept us from getting there:
1. Slower than expected recoveries from Macdonald and Streit. My expectations are based on the state of the team after their failure to obtain a top 4 defenseman.
2. The Brian Rolston deal. Sorry… I know I’m in the minority, but this deal sucked from the get go. It just put too much pressure on them to clog up a productive (last year) lineup with a guy who was waived twice last year… they have yet to solve this…and the Josh Bailey Excuse Saga continues.
3. Nino! Yes… Nino. Nino is now starting to show some NHL level play (in the last 10 games). His roster spot should have gone to somebody WHO WAS NHL READY. I said, “send him back”, but maybe they can salvage that decision by letting him replace the Rolston role with Bailey and Martin or Ullstrom. I still don’t think he’s at a level where prospects should be promoted on good teams, but if it affords him the opportunity to build continuity with Baily, it will pay off as early as next year.
So my expectations aren’t “playoffs”, they are a team that can play at a pace >1PPG (NHL .500) for the rest of the year. That’s >80PTS… and depending on where they surge, maybe they get into some of the late playoff conversation. Like the Leafs did last year.
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Isles Will Grab the Last Playoff Spot and Upset the Top Seed Rangers in the 1st Round
Okay, I know it’s unlikely, but I can dream, no? Sure would be fun.
Good to hear about Rahk and Colliton
The latter is a guy a really wouldn’t mind getting just one more look at in the NHL just to make sure he’s really not fit for the league, and the former is someone I genuinely hope cracks our roster and becomes some kind of Blake/Park hybrid.
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
Plays the puck hog, scores 40 then bolts for a lengthy but terrible deal with the leafs?
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The other JP is not gonna like this.
Long Live “RAKH N ROLL!”

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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Dio always get's a rec
RIP
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I might have to replace Hitch then...
…because I do a few 500 word posts… nothing.
a pic of DIO… 3 recs in 2 minutes!
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I thought Burnside's hated of the Islanders results from...
his time as a Toronto beatwriter (during those halycon “Isles War With The Maple Leafs” days). Burnside lives in Atlanta?
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Philly Announcers were awful quiet last night
with all that ‘Hartnell getting snubbed for the all-star game’ talk. Maybe its bc they looked across the ice and saw a better forward who was also not going to the game…Matty Mo.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 20, 2012 4:24 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
"Digging into Obscure Playoff Chances"........
i kind of got an eery feeling reading the probability of the isles making the playoffs. Kind of looking back and going damn, look at the odds the team was up against and they did it. This is how great stories are made.
It was either that or the feeling of just eating too much pizza. Either way, atleast the Isles season has gotten a lot more interesting in the past few weeks and whatever the team accomplishes from now til the end of the season, i dont think it can be discounted as “playing relaxed meaningless games” like it did last year.
Nabokov was funny in his interview....
for a guy who didnt want to be here, you kind of take it to heart when he talks positively about the team. He does seem very intellectual with how he observes the play. If he’d be willing to re-sign with us i would do it in a second . His stability would be key for us next year if we want to make noise. I would not be comfortable going into next season with Dipietro, Montoya and Poulin as our only options. Unfortunately, no matter how much Nabby sees the team grow and improve i think he’s dead set on signing with a team who can contend now. If this is the case the Isles must trade him and get whatever they can. Even if it winds up being another Ty Wishart.
for a guy who didnt want to be here, you kind of take it to heart when he talks positively about the team. He does seem very intellectual with how he observes the play.
He really does. It’s fun to hear.
As far as re-signing him I’d really wait until the last reasonable moment. I think there’s reason to believe Montoya is better, but both are injury risks lately and, well I’d like to see both of them vying for starts at the same time before I made any call there.
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im not ready to jump on the montoya bandwagon....
he’s played well, but i’ve seen a different level from Nabby. Nabby has a long history of being an elite goaltender and he’s shown he can still play at that level. Im not willing to put my trust in a career AHL goalie whos appeared in a total of 42 NHL games. Not if we’re going to be talking playoffs and being serious about it. Montoya’s never played more than 48 games in one season and he’s averaged 37 games per year since 2005-2006. He’s already been hurt twice this year. To ask Montoya to play at his highest level for around 60 games sounds unrealistic to me. So we’d have alteast 22 games split by Dipietro and Poulin. Sounds like playoff disaster to me.
by LaFontaine16 on Jan 20, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well Said
And to be quite honest, it’s much better to have an established, intelligent vet like Nabby breaking in Poulin over the next few seasons than Montoya or DP (no disrespect to those guys).
Even though it’s highly unlikely Nabby would be willing to accept that role, maybe this is just wishful thinking….he HAS seemed like he’s enjoyed backstopping this club of late =)
by cnss84 on Jan 20, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a tough call
Montoya’s biggest injury has been his concussion, which is a little fluke-ish.
I just find both of the to be wild variables, though I do like how Nabby’s held the fort lately.
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Please explain fluke-ish
He was drilled by on-coming forwards 5 times in a 10-game span. (Or so it seemed.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I'll try
We really haven’t seen the goalies run at all in the last bunch of games right? I mean, maybe we’re playing teams that don’t do that, but it’s not as if we’ve added a bunch of gritz to the lineup.
What may have happened though is that the Isles stopped playing so much in their end…as Ben notes below, and limited opponents opportunities to put that kind of pressure on. Which does not really speak to “fluke” as much as it does to style of play. The Isles have been much more effective in getting pucks out of the defensive zone…and when it is there, much more quickly.
So the fluke may have been in the defensive schemes, personnel (not because of toughness) and improved possession play. It could also be that Montoya plays a bit further out of his net than Nabokov does (I’m not sure this is true, I’d have to watch more closely) or because there have been less rebounds right out in front (better rebound control by goalies, defense clearing the puck away quickly).
More than anything, I think Dom means that concussions are not generated by the player themselves…meaning, unlike a chronic groin/knee/hip, you won’t be worrying about it being chronic without the variable of another player’s actions. It’s not like he’ll just get another concussion by playing how he normally plays unless he is hit …which is often out of his control.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 21, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But having a concussion does make you susceptible to future concussions,
So although it is out of Montoya’s control, it does leave him more prone.
PS
And I really do think Nabokov plays much deeper in his net than Montoya.
This.
More than anything, I think Dom means that concussions are not generated by the player themselves…meaning, unlike a chronic groin/knee/hip, you won’t be worrying about it being chronic without the variable of another player’s actions.
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possession improvement and stuff
The progress is quite well illustrated here on Gabe’s site. Also, they’re 16th in Fenwick with the score tied on Gabe’s site (49.81%). Vic’s got them even at 50.0% as of now (EV Fenwick with the score tied).
Looking at the numbers in some detail, it’s pretty clear where the progress is coming from – all John Tavares.
The following numbers are all from Vic’s scripts and capture Corsi for all EV situations with the score tied.
Last 20 games:
JT 58.33% (!)
team 51.02%
team without JT 46.19%
First 25 games:
JT 50.97%
team 48.44%
team without JT 46.99%
Behind JT’s line’s unreal progress, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines combined for the Isles have actually regressed a tad over the last few weeks. Of course, Corsi doesn’t tell the whole story – glaring mistakes can still have been reduced, play with the lead improved, fewer dumb penalties taken, etc. I too think the team has improved overall, but I’m also quite certain these numbers here deserve some attention. Mind you, if anything, the minutes of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines combined have gotten easier over the last few weeks. If I remember correctly, JT was at around 66% offensive-zone starts after the first quarter, he’s down to around 56% now – meaning that he’s probably not even got over 50% over the last 20 games or so. And sure, while Streit’s or A-Mac’s improvement might have helped the top line more than others, those other lines have surely got more help from the D behind them, too, especially since Mottau’s been first sheltered, then out.
In sum, I just feel we need to keep a very close look on how these other lines perform. Might very well be that certain contributions of guys like Wallace, Pandolfo, Ullstrom have been overrated, or others (Reasoner, Nielsen, maybe Grabner, don’t know about Bailey) have not quite been the forces they could be. Tweaking stuff there and really not overestimate what’s been done lately should be key for the staff and the players.
Also, we see the same picture if we go back a little further in time.
11-12 overall (45 games)
JT 55.01%
team 49.80%
team without JT 46.58%
10-11
JT 44.51%
team 45.45%
team without JT 45.86%
09-10
JT 45.04%
team 47.73%
team without JT 48.78%
Basically all progress in terms of possession over the last 2-3 years has been JT’s doing. The numbers for the “team without JT” in 09-10 are still by far the best they’ve put up in that category – and the 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines even got tougher assignments back then compared now. Clearly, for the bottom-9, the setup they had back then, whatever the key was – the players, the systems, the strategy – was clearly superior to what they have now.
Not to get all philosophical about the whole rebuild – I normally prefer talking current happenings – but yeah, that’s just something that really bothers me all the time. As much as I like the current “streak” and a win as the one last night, I’m just constantly thinking about what could be – and really, I feel with some different and at times obvious management/coaching decisions they could be a much better team at this point.
by BenHasna on Jan 20, 2012 5:54 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Wow
I know he’s unbelievable, but it’s incredible to see it laid out like that. He really is carrying this team. I think he’s already more special than a lot of us thought he might be.
Per the dropoff on the bottom 9 I’d argue there is a good chance it might have a lot more to do with the defensemen they are playing with, than with their own play. As frightening as it sounds, looking at defensemen who played half the teams games in 09-10 and this year, the crew featuring FMIV, The Chef, and Witt were stronger as a group than the current iteration.
Quick question-in that first link, do we see the Isles improving their possession while also getting unlucky? Interesting we’d be winning more games with that being the case.
I really don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Hillen, Gervais, Martinek > Staios, Eaton, Mottau
That Reese looks so good when he plays, makes me think that letting go of Hillen for nothing (he was an RFA) might be up there in Snow’s bad moves. I mean Hillen might not be anyone’s long term solution, but we still could have gotten more out of him.
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JT is now 26th on my list.
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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Gervais is doubtful. I'd say Gervais is = to those three.
Also, Martinek is done again for another season after playing 6 or 7 games. As much as he gave so much to Islander Country for so many years, his inability to stay healthy makes him serviceable at best, but not necessarily better than having those other three (someone would have to take Marty’s spot when he inevitably got injured again). I agree about Hillen.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 21, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong
But I think the debate was about Martinek’s past performance rather than his projected 2011-2012 performance had he remained an Islander.
BTW, I think he should take a page from Kenny Jonsson’s book and hang up the skates while he can still function in his daily life.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 21, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Actually Kenny kept playing until I believe last season
It wasnt in the NHL but its not like he was taking it easy.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 21, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Watched an interesting documentary on the news today comparing concussions in the KHL and NHL
what it demonstrated was that in European pro-hockey ice rinks, which are larger than north America, they have no where near the concussion problems. They atribute this to the fact that in North America with smaller ice, there is much more hitting, less time with puck. Even noted players are taught in AHL to finish every check, while in Europe, that would have you out of the play too often. Alexie Kovelov (former Rag, Hab, Sen) actually said he feels safer playing in Europe than NHL. This may be one reason Kenny was able to play so many more years, going back to Europe.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 21, 2012 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
This
but yeah, if Radek wants to keep playing, he should probably try the SEL closer to home where the hitting is less. He could actually probably be great on those rinks for a bunch of years because his skating is still great and he wouldn’t have to absorb the pounding.
Poor guy. The Isles should name a “recovering from injury” award after him to honor his years of servie.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 21, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
About the defense:
I’m not sure which group of defensemen is stronger. I’ve wondered for quite some time, but haven’t quite figured out how to compare them best or what really might give the edge to one of the groups.
First of all, as bad as Mottau’s looked I’m still convinced Witt was a worse player that year. So, Mottau’s awful play in my opinion can’t really be taken into account to make the point the current group’s worse.
Then, yeah, I liked Freddy Meyer, I liked Hillen and I liked A-Mac. But well, it was Hillen’s and A-Mac’s rookie seasons and they also struggled in certain areas. In a different way of course, but overall those two combined maybe didn’t really offer much more than Jurcina and Staios. Meyer and Gervais probably were better than Eaton. On the other hand, Hamonic’s the best defender out of these two groups. And Streit I think has really been back close to his 09-10 level now.
Overall, as said, it’s tough to compare. At least for a stretch there in the middle of 09-10 the third pairing was probably mostly stronger than what they’ve used so far this season. Then again, they had Kohn and Reese playing 20 games each towards the end and as said a struggling Witt the first 20-30 in an important role. So, I don’t know, I certainly think individual players, Hillen or Meyer, would upgrade the current D – and I do share a good part of the criticism towards the D this season – but I’m not sure the current group is worse. I think sometimes too much has been made of the D struggles this season. Then again, I’m always much more focused on what the forwards do out there anyway, so, maybe too often search for performance issues just among the forwards.
About the luck:
Yeah, in parts. PDO on the right side there is “luck” in 5-on-5 situations and it’s not really been improved. Clearly, they’re a better EV team than the +/- suggest and should improve their EV goal ratio quite clearly towards the end of the season. The thing is just that they’ve had good fortune on special teams. We don’t know a lot about how much the percentages regress on the PP for example, but as you can see here, 5-on-4 they’ve converted more than 15 % of their shots and that’s very high in this league. Also, look at the individual shooting on the PP, pretty much everyone is converting at a very high rate. Again, not sure if these numbers will necessarily regress, I would think with good PP strategy and execution you can create better looks than the league average and watching the games we get the impression they’ve done a very good job there indeed, but still, I’d maybe not expect that shooting to be sustainable. Particularly not the shooting over the last 15 games or so, where their numbers would look even more extreme than the season averages. And on the PK, they’ve got the 4th best goaltending in the league. Again, could be because of them controlling the quality of chances to some extent, and they truly are a good PK team in my opinion, but maybe they’ll not quite keep up the recent pace there, either. So, overall, luck’s been about balanced for them I’d say and maybe on their side recently.
It is hard to compare, especially since it’s hard to remember what they really looked like in-game two years ago. I’ll say that it certainly seemed for the first two months, a few of the defensemen (and especially Mottau), had significant problems getting the puck out of the zone in general, and even more so, getting it to the forwards effectively while they were headed up ice. Whether changing some of the pairings, and having keeping Mottau, Staios, and Eaton away from each other has helped this, I don’t know?
I also wonder if JT’s play in our own end is partially driving his high numbers. If you watch, he very often sags extremely low, even in front of the net sometimes, and often you’ll see him get the puck somewhere below the dots and take it out or find a wing himself.
We’ve certainly ridden some great play on special teams, and it does look like there some luck going on. That said, it’s hopeful to think that our luck at EV is due to turn in our favor a little as our possession numbers are ramping up. Potentially can equal some good things.
Thanks-great stuff.
This is where the murky injury variables get in the way too
Just thinking over this season, whatever Streit, A-Mac’s and even Eaton’s and Mottau’s true value is, they’re all coming off significant surgeries that could quite reasonably be factors in their early season performance (and even now, who knows).
All those injuries and new names filtering into the lineup that year, Hillen’s miserable beginning to last season — I think there are a lot of unseen factors that make this comparison hard to nail down.
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of those last 20 games, are you able to split out when KO joined his line? I wonder if his numbers in those games are just so astronomical that it even enhanced the previous 10.
Also, you do have to wonder about the defensive assignments and combinations.
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I can’t tell you the exact WOWY numbers of JT with Okposo, but I can go back to see what JT’s numbers have looked like since the Calgary game. That’s when they were back together for the first time. JT’s been at 60.11% in Corsi with the score tied over the last 11 games (57.3% with the score close). By the way, Nielsen’s been at 63.8% even over this period.
I mean, 11 games is a bit of a small sample to make conclusions, especially if you look at score-tied situations only, and when the schedule might have been a bit easy overall, although there was the occassional tough game in there. However, it does seem like JT’s improved additionally, but PA seems to have given the bottom-9 (Nielsen mainly) a lift, so, I wouldn’t think about KO being a better player than PA or stuff, just maybe KO being a better fit even on the top line and PA on the other hand being a better fit on the 2nd (or eventually 3rd line). It’s win-win and probably the best setup they’ve had and if PA keeps up his play on the 2nd or as said maybe 3rd line one day those bottom-9 numbers should certainly improve quite clearly.
Actually, the numbers for the bottom-9 have already improved. Going back 20 games it seems all progress is coming from JT, but going back just these 11 games until the Calgary game, it seems the progress is coming from JT and especially PA improving the 2nd line.
team since line shuffles (11 games): 54.77%
team without JT since line shuffles (11 games): 51.15%
Again, 11 games is a small sample, but the numbers seem to confirm they’ve found a very good setup for their top 6 at least.
Now it makes me wonder
if they have started using numbers to adjust their experimentations with lines.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 21, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Aww, now you're stealing thunder for tomorrow's post on Tavares ;)
But actually thanks, I’ll add the numbers to the post I have for the a.m.
Agree Wallace-type contributions may be overrated (they could really lose Wallace any moment), and the bottom six in general, although I’m not sure if any recent regression there is meaningful beyond weaker personnel.
With JT in an unreal rhythm, I jokingly see the management of each game as “get the puck in deep, then get the hell off so JT can get back out there.” Their penalty discipline has been key, their better looks on the PP has been important, and their cutting down on D gaffes (possibly through attrition with Mottau, Staios the last two games) a big part.
Of course all of this only makes them a team that can maybe play real .500 when JT is on fire. But when you’re stuck with guys like Pandolfo & Co., you really don’t have a choice but to try to get them to play limit-the-damage roles as best they can.
It actually reminds me of the great Capitals playoff debates of a few years ago: Of course trying to collapse in D, rely on counterattacks and pray Halak stands on his head is no way to win in the long run, but in the short run when you have the inferior roster … you don’t have any other choice. Either die quickly or try to stave off the end.
Which gets us back to your lament about the bottom-6/9 of the last few years, a multi-layered puzzle. I’m just reminded we had Capuano with Comeau this year, and how Gordon (or Snow?) couldn’t seem to manage Bergenheim (I think part of this is Bergenheim’s fault — and the challenge of managing any bottom six: The best ones rightly think they deserve better minutes.) I always wonder if part of it is quality ditch-diggers on a bad team are doubly miserable and would really prefer to be quality ditch-diggers elsewhere on a winner.
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You're not far off.
With JT in an unreal rhythm, I jokingly see the management of each game as "get the puck in deep, then get the hell off so JT can get back out there."
That’s what it looked like for stretches of last game. (And the Grabner-Nielsen-PAP line was given some authority to attack.) The 4th line was working the puck deep on some shifts, but some was just as you say above. The Bailey line even moreso, from what I saw.
That win in Philly was a BIG win for several reasons: 1) Nabokov played perhaps his best game yet. 2) Tavares and his line dominated against a good Flyers team. 3) Isles won the little battles consistently against a physically bigger team. 4) Bailey had perhaps the biggest goal of his career thus far, boosting his confidence even further.
But Isles almost have to beat Carolina tomorrow to carry the momentum from the Philly game. They just won 3 of 4 against some of the league’s best. Now they have to beat a middling team— one that just beat Washington 3-0 tonight— and is now tied with the Caps for 3rd/8th in the conference. (Oh, the Southeast Division!) If Isles win tomorrow, they pull within 8 (or 9) points of 8th with 1 or 2 games-in-hand on most of the middling teams. Whereas a loss would put them back to 12 points out. Mathematically, it is not quite as important as that sounds, but psychologically it is a HUGE game.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Need to beat Carolina, but not because they are middling-because they are TERRIBLE! They’re even worse than us!
(I think you’re thinking of Florida-they’re tied with the Caps right now for 3rd/8th.)
Yeah, I mostly agree about the limits of the current roster and what they’re doing with it.
What I don’t particularly like is how they’ve used their lines. If you’re a top team and have a really good scoring line (or power line) and good scorers, checkers, all-around guys in the middle-6, then I’m fine with sheltering the bottom-6 or the 4th line particularly and relying heavily on 7, 8 players. But I think if you’re a bottom-half team in this league you need to do something else and I’m just a big fan of the setup they had in 09-10. And I don’t even mean the setup they had early that season with Park logging extremely tough minutes and JT being sheltered very much, but rather the one they had in the 2nd half, from game 40 to 70 or something, when Schremp got the very easy minutes. I think a Schremp-type player (and line) can really make a difference in this league if you find a way to use them effectively. That’s what we saw back then with Nielsen playing very tough competition, Park still taking a good share and JT being keyed on by the opposition. And all lines were reasonably effective.
Now, JT could play even tougher minutes and would be much, much more effective of course. A Nielsen line could still do about the same work, a Park line could get slightly easier minutes maybe and do quite ok and a Schremp line could maybe take advantage even more.
But what have they done? They’ve got rid of pretty much all Schremp-type players (Schremp, Comeau maybe, Tambellini maybe) or haven’t added any such players. And even if they still had those type of players they couldn’t use them accordingly (that’s basically what happened to Schremp and Comeau last year and maybe in parts to Nino this year, though he’s of course a different case). because they’ve also got rid of those players feeling comfortable in all types of situations and roles and with all kinds of line mates (Bergenheim, Park, Thompson) – players you need to make that setup happen.
It also strikes me as a setup that helps to keep everyone happy. Park’s line’s playing decisive minutes towards the end of the games and feeling important, Schremp’s line’s producing and happy anyway, Bergenheim types are getting to play with/against gems like Nielsen/Ovechkin, etc.
It definitely is an extremely multi-layered puzzle and certain decisions were not bad in isolation or what they’re doing now might indeed be the best you can do with this roster. But overall, I just felt they had a really good plan how to compose the roster and use the guys in 09-10 and I’d certainly have built on that. Instead, I don’t know what they’ve tried to build on, just the progress of the young stars, including for example Bailey?! I do guess they somehow recognized the value of Bergenheim and there was just another issue there with maybe his relation to Gordon or Snow just feeling he didn’t fit in terms of personality or something, but I don’t know, then at least go get a similar guy. (Or if you’re the NY Islanders and maybe can’t land such a guy, just condone certain issues and hang on to the guy anyway.)
The Schremp types
I think the fatal issue with using players like that (and I really would like to have a 3rd “easy minutes” line that has scoring punch) is when they make dumb players or untimely risks, they stand out too much in a coach’s head.
Add that to the reality that you can’t reliably line match all the time (especially on the road), and I suspect the combination puts too many variables beyond the coach’s control, where a coach is naturally looking for things he can check off and say, “I can count on him to do X in this situation and not spoil the night.”
Not saying that’s right and not sure where the line is at which it becomes worth the occasional boneheaded mistakes to use an offensively gifted guy in that role, but I do believe this is why players like Schremp eventually go by the wayside.
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Schremp was passed on...........
at the end of last season by every team in the NHL for one reason, inspite of being a former first round pik, his performance with three NHL teams demonstrated that he did not have the skills or [was unable or unwilling to use those skills in the big leagues. His un physical but good skating game is well suited for the large rink Swedish league where he is doing “OK”.
A little late with this observation, but.....
…..I think that one of the reasons we’re having a good deal more success of late is, with the exception of Rolston, Reasoner and Pandolfo, all the forwards are SO much more consistently mobile than Bergy, Hunter (injuries contributed to that mightily) and even Comeau, who could really turn on the jets – when he DEIGNED…..PAP’s biggest value is his ability to draw defenders off his linemates (on any given night ranging from Frans, Grabs, Bails and Martin, all viable offensive threats to varying degrees – figure to throw Ullstrom and Nino in the 2nd line mix next season) which may be why he’s among the league leaders in assists – freeing K-O up for the top line with 2 goalscorers as dangerous as JT and Moulson…..
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Kinda unfair to point to Reasoner regarding success as of late- injured guys cant contribute
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 21, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone here Raise Your Hand
If you said
“F*ck Nabokov, I don’t want that F*ing F’er on the Isles, let him rot in Russia!!!”
last year when he didn’t report to the Isles.
(Sitting with my Hand Raised)
I know I did.
Glad he’s here now and glad Garth and Charles didn’t over-react like we all did.
by SJG in NJ on Jan 20, 2012 6:22 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Storage wars style...."Yep!"
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
They should trade him though
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I'm torn on this
It really depends on the return for Nabby. Anything less than a 3rd round pick isn’t worth it. Nabby is a very good goalie and can make a questionable team with terrible goaltending into a very strong playoff performer. I’d be fine with sticking with Nabby until the end of the season and hopefully he’ll get a big fat contract somewhere else.
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I kind of like a Nabby / Montoya tandem
A nice raise for Nabby helps with the neverending cap floor issues, and they both seem to be the best goalie options right now for us.
Something has to be done about Dipietro though, it’s not fair to the rest of the players on the team to have his constant injuries and sub .900 save %, hamstring the club and derail their season year after year.
Once he finally realizes it’s over and retires this team can move forward.
If he doesn’t, then they need to waive him and let him work out his issues in the Bridge, prove you can play well there over a period of time without any medical issues and I’d welcome him back. If not…bye, it ends for everyone sometime or another. And it’s usually not a time of your choosing.
Sorry, didn’t mean to rant about DiPi.
Gotta wait until the deadline
That way, hopefully someone panics and gives Garth a great haul. He’s been a very good solider and I wish him well. But if the Islanders can pilfer a strong prospect from a nervous playoff GM, I’m happy to wait them out.
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Whoever offers the most is not the way to get him.
Nabokov has a NTC, he isnt going anywhere he and his family dont feel like going.
I think he is going to be selective about where he goes. If he even wants to go?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 21, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Eh
There isn’t going to be a lot of interest. He’s either going to want to play in the playoffs or not. We’re talking about 2-3-4 months, I doubt his family will play much of a role in the decision. It would have in the offseason, but not February.
Guy's awesome.
I’m a big fan, even though he handles the puck clumsily sometimes.
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I wanted the Isles to keep him and toll his contract just to piss him off.
I think he got over his initial hesitation about this team and sees the type of group and fans here. I said “fuck him” though, so I would like some horseradish and a side of cole slaw with my hat.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
Guilty as charged
& now i’m hoping he miraculously sticks around another 2 maybe 3 years….knowing we have a good netminder back there is critical to their offensive development!
Not me
I was his biggest fan
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 21, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'm repeating my Fan Post view.......
which has changed since I wrote it more than a week ago and after several great Nabby games. I originally and rather hopefully suggested a #2 for him at the deadline. Now I say not less than a #2 and perhaps keeping him to keep the small chance of a post season alive and continue a good winning environment for the developing young players.
If Nabby keeps playing like this
they won’t be able to let him go for anything less then a decent 2nd round pick, or a package that includes a young defensive D man who can skate and make first pass…
the trade off for the loss of his help with development has to be worth it.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 21, 2012 6:37 PM EST reply actions

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