Analysis: Islanders 4, Flyers 1; Philly streak over, dads welcome anytime
After cheering their sons on to two consecutive road victories in difficult terrain, surely the Islanders dads are welcome to stick around awhile.
And after the celebration and relief from tonight's big 4-1 streak-ender over the Flyers subsides, one lasting reality is that the Islanders are consistently playing good hockey for the first time in quite a while.
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The other reality: This thin-margin team's run (which is still just 9-7 over the last month) has depended on relentlessly focused efforts and the booster shot of luck that keeps any good NHL times rolling. The PK has been outstanding (33 of the last 35) but that will ebb and flow. The powerplay has also been productive and will likewise ebb and flow.
The first line led by John Tavares (who is *not* in ESPN's top 25 under 25, remember) has been otherworldly and that will also -- wait, who knows where that's headed as Tavares continues his break out and turns his point streak up to 11? Still, these things will all ebb and flow, but for a team that -- to these eyes -- has shown up for Jack Capuano most nights despite a persistent 13th- to 15th-place conference standing, it's nice to see things go their way. Deserved, even.
In the low moments it's often debated, and I myself am not sure, if Capuano is the long-term coach for a contending team (in part because people on the outside simply can't have all the data on such questions; in part because even excellent coaches are fired because there are ambiguous interpersonal variables that intervene. The reasons cited are usually as subjective to the third-party as, "That guy doesn't want it enough.").
But Capuano's team has shown up for duty much more than a lot of bottom-five teams I can recall watching. (Sadly, I've watched a lot.) That includes tonight. With Tavares and his wingers driving the offense and the rest of the team doing the simple things, the little things that undermanned teams must do to have a chance were abundant, as they have been most nights recently.
It's said the hardest thing for a coach/GM to do is convince his players they played poorly after a win, or well after a loss. Surely a companion challenge is convincing a team, "You, you're not collectively good enough to win any other way."
Of late: Shot-blocking, smart dumps, simple chips, patient defense, adequate goaltending -- these are the things that give an unimpressive roster a chance on any given night in the parity-happy NHL. People who know the NHL much better than I sometimes claim each season features a post-holiday lull which explains why some better teams "haven't shown up" against the Isles recently. For example, the Flyers were "Listless. Disjointed. Generous." according to Flyers blog Broad Street Hockey. But clearly the Isles have been doing their part to put teams in the giving mood. It's long overdue and frustrating that November sunk them into a hole, but who can fault them for not giving up now?
More notes on how all this applied tonight after the highlights.
Game Highlights
Game Notes
Protecting the lead: With the exception of the top line, the Islanders by no means protected the lead by keeping the puck in the Flyers zone. They were in prevent mode, for sure. But they did 1) Capitalize on the powerplay to make it 3-0, 2) Sent soft non-icing dumps to get changes while accepting icings that beat the alternative, and 3) Were patient around their own net, such as when Wayne Simmonds had the puck for seconds behind the Isles goal and the Isles left him with no option but to bank a pass out to the point. A more frantic team would have chased him there, but this was a team playing with a two-goal lead and house money.
Good Start: The first period ended 0-0, but it wasn't for a lack of effort. I actually though the Islanders might have wasted their best chances, as they outshot the Flyers 12-8 in the first and had the better of play. Instead of suffering a Flyers counterpunch, they got the first strike on another sublime John Tavares pass just 28 seconds into the second period. Kyle Okposo was key driving the net (and drawing the defense), while Matt Moulson finished like not just any winger would. Tavares is absolutely wonderful, but Moulson is a finisher, plain and simple.
Opportune PK: Well there was another Michael Grabner breakaway -- one of his slowest in memory, after Brayden Schenn discovered who Grabner is the hard way. But Sergei Bobrovsky made the save and looked like he would steal another from the isles. But then Josh Bailey pulled off a Frans Nielsen-like backhand shorthanded, and for the first time it looked like finally this could be the night.
Fortunate PP: The Flyers PK was quite aggressive and quite good. Like the Isles PK, they made it seem at times that there was no advantage. Not so in the pivotal moment of the third period, though, when Mark Streit hammered one home on a 4-on-3 not from the point but from the left faceoff circle. It's been observed even before the PP goals started going in: The key to the Islanders' better powerplay has been the rotation and multiple looks they're showing (also: Brian Rolston bumped). They're not static, they're moving. And with the hands they have on that unit, it's paying off. Tonight Tavares won the initial faceoff against Maxime Talbot, then he and Streit soon swapped places on the 4-on-3 umbrella and Streit's one-timer found net.
JT Has Jazz Hands: The PK on which Bailey got his goal came after a long first-line shift almost paid off with a mesmerizing Tavares deke that Bobrovsky kept from crossing the line. The first line would've changed if not for that emerging scoring chance, and when it didn't go in they were all running on fumes, which is what led to Dylan Reese's penalty.
Okposo Defends Tavares: It's been fun to watch the evolution of how the opposition treats Tavares. Back before he was a good NHL player -- back when Moulson scored without his help more often than people realize -- other NHLers (including Chris Pronger) took cheap shots at Tavares whenever they could, trying to suppress the talent before it erupted. Lately, with him on a tear, you'd think players would take run after run at him. But they haven't, and instead what's happened is a greater degree of respect and space afforded. They still facewash him and chuck him in scrambles, but one-on-one opponents are ... respectful. As if rather than thinking of "teaching the rookie a lesson," they're now more worried about, "Don't get burned by the budding star." Tonight, Okposo stepped in when young Brayden Schenn tried [video] to take a piece of his elder. (Also fun: The moment when the officials say, "Take both of them.") Good to see. As karma would have it, the Islanders would score on the powerplay shortly thereafter, with Kimmo Timonen in the box.
Getting through the Second: Although it's when they took the 2-0 lead, they were also outshot 17-9 in the second thanks to three Flyers powerplays. As important as grabbing the lead was getting out of that period with the 2-0 lead intact.
Short Nino: I know a lot of people have noticed Nino Niederreiter making progress, and that's followed by calls for a line promotion. I think it's coming, but baby steps. Baby steps. Tonight he logged only 6:53 and his fourth-line mates Jay Pandolfo and Tim Wallace logged even less (at even strength; Pandolfo had a minute of PK time too). Special teams in part fed this, though Nino again showed positive signs in limited action. It's coming.
Reese Takes Out Giroux: Not in the dirty "strike, smirk and turtle" way practiced by one Maxime, mind you. On a long stretch in the Islanders zone, Claude Giroux and Dylan Reese worked each over like it was 1999 in the NHL. Slash led to slash. Shove upon crosscheck led to punch upon whine. Frustrated, both finally dropped their gloves, old school style (see, Maxime? When a non-enforcer upsets you, you really can cash your own checks!). The result benefited the Islanders though, as anyone would happily trade five minutes without one for five minutes without the other.
Nabokov Holds the Fort: Bobrovsky was excellent in helping the Flyers survive the first, but in any hockey game it can go the other way in the blink of an eye. The Islanders don't end this monumental streak in Philly without Evgeni Nabokov doing his part early in the game and while the Isles were sitting on the lead. He held the fort until they had room to breathe, and the only goal against him was a nice redirection. With 40 saves overall, his name is a big part of this win.
Parenteau the Generous: To close things out, P.A. Parenteau nicely fed Michael Grabner on a 2-on-1 with the empty net and just seconds left. Rumor has it Mike Babcock immediately filed a complaint. The assist was Parenteau's 32nd of the season, tying him with Giroux for fourth-most in the NHL. I didn't see what happened afterward, but true to form the feisty PAPpy received an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty afterward. I figure Babcock phoned in.
Butchism: How about Jaromir "Jogger"?
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All in all, is it weak to have such celebrations after one win in 14 tries in a city? Probably, but this is another necessary step as the franchise slowly tries to turn things around. If the Islanders are building anything for the long haul, then this was another wall to knock down.
What's funny is for every "lowly" Islanders headline, there is another nagging remark that the Isles are accumulating the young talent necessary to compete in this league. Teams who dominate know it won't always be so. Fans who watch through thick and thin know that -- as with Bailey's shorty tonight -- the offense won't always go solely through Tavares.
That said, the original statement stands: This was nice and necessary, but it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing -- er, it's nothing if they act like getting their 18th win in their 45th game is something to be all proud of. To paraphrase The Wolf (as translated to hockey by mikb): Fine job, gentlemen. But let's not start taping each other's hockey sticks quite yet. Carolina beckons on Saturday.
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I wouldn't trade Tavares for any player in the NHL. Not Crosby, not Ovechkin...Nobody.
by nyislanders93 on Jan 20, 2012 12:42 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
That said
He’s hardly in the top 25 under 25…
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He's gotta work on his CPI
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
That has nothing to do what he does and everything to do with the utter stupidity of ESPN's staff.
Seriously, I’ve had bowel movements that are smarter than the hockey writers at ESPN.
John Tavares: Loyalty. Character. The power to put every sports writer in Toronto on anti-depressants just by signing a piece of paper.
by BrassBonanza10 on Jan 20, 2012 3:13 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I commented on Twitter that there are only 9 players in the NHL with more points then JT, yet ESPN found 25 players under 25 better then him, and it’s been retweeted pretty heavily tonight.
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by Mark D on Jan 20, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Be careful
Neil Greenberg may come back with some detailed stats on why you suck.
by brother_rat on Jan 20, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Clutch Authorship Index
says I’ve been slacking
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Fail for Neil
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there are only 9 players in the NHL with more points then JT, yet ESPN found 25 players under 25 better then him
Its just so ridiculous… and a great example of A- how disrespected the Isles are and B- how dumb ESPN really is.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Stamkos, Kessel, Giroux, and Toews are the only players under-25 with more points than JT.
(Malkin turned 25 in June.) Top-25 in scoring includes:
Malkin (54 pts, 25 years old)
Stamkos (51, 21)
Kessel (50, 24)
Giroux (50, 24)
Toews (48, 23)
Tavares (46, 21)
Karlsson (45, 21) DEFENSEMAN
Eberle (43, 21)
Kopitar (43, 24)
Backstrom (42, 24)
Benn (42, 22)
Seguin (40, 19)
And at this rate, Tavares will leave a few of these guys in the dust over the next three months.
Four of these guys graduate the under-25 list for next season. I could easily see Tavares go from not-rated to a top-5 spot next season on the list.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I looked this morning
and as a matter of fact, there is only one player younger amongst the top (whatever they show on Yahoo…30-35 maybe?).
Kid’s good.
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I have a feeling that soon Islander fans will be hearing a lot of......
You guys only won that game because you have Tavares……
by LaFontaine16 on Jan 20, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Haven't we been hearing that for years at this point?
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by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Well, not the "winning" part.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
yea the "winning" was the catch part of the phrase....
not even a knock to the team, but tavares will be that good
by LaFontaine16 on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
So....
…. “You only won because you have the personnel in place for winning!” ???
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 20, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
wow, didnt think this would get so in depth.....
basically stating Tavares will garner most of the praise when we become competitive and we’d likely be discounted as anything without him. Take it for what it is. This isnt a personal evaluation, just a prediction of what isles fans will most likely hear from outsiders.
by LaFontaine16 on Jan 20, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh i wasn't getting in depth at all. :-)
I’m liking the idea that people will be complaining that we’re getting good. :-D
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Flyers lose to Rick DiPietros 15 year contract...
They play in this leaking dump and the fans won’t even vote for a new arena. In other news Sid Crosby was spotted buying a new Pair of pink panties for himself at Victorias Secret
by Scoobahgee on Jan 20, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Headlines
Lowly Islanders Pull off Fluke Win in Philly
just a guess at what is going to be printed in the coming hours
FLYERS HAND GAME AWAY TO UNKNOWN OPPONENT
(unintelligible sound) liberal media
by martylnd on Jan 20, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Flyers Forfeit Game for Charity
John Tavares and 22 other less fortunate players can smile for a night.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
breaking news: sid sees ice for first time in his daqueri
Also, flyers fail to win game against some opponent from New York who aren’t the rangers, your winter classic winners this season.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Flyers lose
Leon Steckel Blamed Yet Again
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Flyers score one in game against NY Afterthoughts
[PHILIDELPHA] In a beautiful redirection, Flyers stand out rookie forward Matt Read scored one in the third period of a…
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 20, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
SID EATS ICE CREAM!!
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Needermeiser
At first I thought that was just a Butchism, but after watching the Flyers feed tonight I think I’ve heard it from 3 different commentators.
Ha, thanks for the tip
I saw the Flyers feed but didn’t pick up on that. I’ve apparently evolved a Keith Jones filter. Vonnegut predicted this.
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i actually didn't hate keith jones last night
he said some very complimentary things about JT. ie “he’s scary good” and “there isn’t a better player in the nhl right now”. i thought he was unusually fair and optimistic with the isles tonight. how could you not i guess…
Wait till he's on the network f/k/a Versus
He’ll change his tune to pander to the national audience.
I actually randomly met Jones in a coffee shop in Stamford, CT
He’s a good guy. His colleague Philly announcers though are complete D-bags. Pardon my abbreviated french.
I have to agree that the Flyer announcers were not too bad
Even my wife said aren’t they usually the biggest homers on earth, I told her right state, wrong team. I expect a little bit of hime town bias, but they were reasonalble and I didn’t have to mute the TV or scream BS even once.
Jones is hit and miss for me
But he should pander to Philly on the local games and to the national audience on the Vs. games. It’s just sometimes the homerism is a little too much.
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I think we had the same thing last year
But it was goal scorers not point scorers. Either we were the first to have 3 20 goal scorers or the only team to have 3 playersi n the top 30 in scoring at one point
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Too bad only one of them is a real first-liner.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Still amazed on how JT managed to feed both of his wingers with a single pass on that first goal
He’s the Dos Equis man of hockey
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 1:52 AM EST reply actions
I don’t always drive hard to the net and deke through the whole defense, do a spin move into a pass, make a no look between the leg pass, find both of my linemates on the same pass but when I do I prefer to keep it myself, PA Parenteau, Kyle Okposo Matt Moulson
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by ArsenalLI on Jan 20, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 14 recs
So he's an engineer
He likes built-in redundancy.
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He's the egg mcmuffin
of passers
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by Homey Chives on Jan 20, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I like that
and I guess we now have two opposite ends of the spectrum.
The opposite of Egg McMuffin is…AVERY
Such a sick pass
but i think this one may have beat it
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=150738
2 Good Road Wins!!
Against 2 strong teams, this team is in a false position. We look strong, confident, domineering even at times. Lets hope for the rest of the season we can push ourselves up the standings into a position we should be for the talent we’ve got.
3 Teams 3 Different Sports Same Torture!!!
by Kung Fu Panda 48 on Jan 20, 2012 2:48 AM EST reply actions
Between the last few road wins and the Buffalo win at home
I think this team better stick with the white sweaters for the long haul
50 points to go
50 points would give them 92 points in total. With 37 games to play, that means the Isles have a budget of around 10 losses to play with for the remainder of the season.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 2:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
What we need is a nice 7 out of 8 streak
Starting with 5 if the next 6 points before the break. All this talk about how many losses, etc., fascinates my actuarial side but my sports side hates it. We just need a nice winning streak that gets us within 5 points of a playoff spot. And that can happen.
Then, we have the interesting March we’ve all been dying for around here. Maybe in the end we run out if time and there’s too thin a margin of error, but man, would we have fun watching. I can almost taste it. But we need Flyers intensity against Carolina.
by BobSulli on Jan 20, 2012 3:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
playoffs
What would it take? Could we get a miracle second half and enjoy the nhl playoffs this year? I’m getting bored of spending my post seasons drunk and unexcited. I want to watch with a purpose haha
we won...?
WE WON?!
YES!
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yes!
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by Isles2011 on Jan 20, 2012 6:05 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Always enjoy Pope Dominick's
Splashes of cold holy water, as he tries to dampen our enthusiasm. But these eyes right now are watching a very good team that is on the verge of getting very hot. Having a solid, often spectacular guy guarding the net, in place of the big contract accident waiting to happen, while Montoya is on the mend certainly helps, but Tavares is clearly becoming one of the top players in the league. The shifts are becoming ever more rare when he is not the top player in the rink. They do need more scoring from other sources. Grabner’s stats right now are just a shade below where they were last year at his time, which is when he caught fire. With O now on the top line and Papineau dropped down in his place, we have to hope that FNGP is as good as last year’s second half FNGO.
But the real question that remains: Is 37 games enough for the team to make up the difference? Because if they do get in, look out.
Papineau
…?
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by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
HA, that keeps happening!
Too funny.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Mapletoft
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by Homey Chives on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe he meant Weinhandl.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Memories, memories.
I thought Weinhandl was going to be a real good player for Isles.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Wine handles are rarely good for anyone
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
Oh I thought
those were love handles
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Kenny, be honest
Is your name really ButchieBoy13?
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ButchieBoy13 is my father.
I am ButchieBoy13.1. I meant to say Pappin, er Parent, er well, you know.
by kennyboy13 on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Pope Dominick’s splashes of cold holy water, as he tries to dampen our enthusiasm.
Ahhh haha, nicely said.
You know sometimes I’m really just trying to dampen my own. I’m not proud of the number of fist-pumps I did last night for a 42-point team.
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Better to pump that fist, Dom
Than, well, never mind.
As far as Cappy goes
I think the jury is still out. On one hand, yes ,I’d like to see the Islanders get a proven coach (could’ve taken that opportunity a month ago with all the firings), someone who has not only won on the NHL level, but knows how to handle a young team. On the other, you can’t keep replacing a coach every couple of years(as the Islanders have done), introducing new systems along with that and expect the team to win. There has to be some consistency/stability from within the organization. Unless Cappy falls flat on his face and the team takes a massive nose dive, I’d like to see him at least thru next year.
Isles rule, rangers suck... that's just how it is.
Maybe
But you have to give him credit on a couple of fronts. To me, there has only been one game the Isles gave less than a credible effort in the last 2 months, and that was Phoenix (and also the first period vs. Nashville).
They have competed hard every period, and Capuano deserves at least some credit for that.
And I don’t know if the last 2 games are true indicators, but I really liked the way the entire Islander team kept some fairly good offensive players out on the perimeter. Maybe they are learning to play hockey as a team, and Capuano will deserve credit for that too.
by JackandAce on Jan 20, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree
good points
Isles rule, rangers suck... that's just how it is.
by Timtropolis on Jan 20, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Any shortfalls this year
Are entirely on Garth Snow and his inability to acquire quality D-men. Capuano is not the problem.
I partly agree with this
(If it’s possible to partly agree with “entirely”.)
The problem was perhaps moreso the previous summer, locking the team to Eaton and Mottau for multi-seasons. Still, He tried to get Ehrhoff, even offered him well over a fair amount of money. (And that is a good indication, at least, that Snow/Wang are capable/willing to go after a good defenseman this summer.) Ehrhoff just didn’t want any part with the Isles.
BTW, one goal I set for Isles this season was finishing better in standings than Buffalo. That way, Isles gained a (slightly) higher draft pick by trading away the Isles’ pick and then acquiring Buffalo’s.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Can I fully agree with your partial agreeent?
I’ll maybe give a waiver (no pun intended) on the Mottau move since it was right after Streit’s catastrophic injury. And of course Eaton-Jurcina was only after striking out on the bigger free agent fish.
But I think the blueline issue is one that goes back a few years, to overvaluing what they had and then scrambling to make up the shortfall. If you go back before Hamonic and A-Mac’s emergence (and hell, letting FMIV go while adding questionable parts), then I think they’ve chronically overestimated their blueline.
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the nice thing about erhoff is...
that he ended up underachieving most of this season before he got hurt. as much as i would have liked having him w the isles, garth offered him a fair contract and he said no. whatever. take that money and spend it on someone else who’s better than erhoff.
i think we were all hopeful on rolston and reasoner. rolston ended up fulfilling the role of mule and reasoner still has another year on his contract to prove himself again.
as for D, most of the hope is coming from bridgeport, but it still doesn’t hurt to sign some more experienced blood come july. its nice to build from the farm and groom em for top 4 solidarity. however, what other money could snow throw on bad defensemen out there? i still would have liked to see jack hillen back, seeing that he is still a better option than eaton or mottau. but in eaton’s case, he’s a 3rd pair dman who fits the role.
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by gukid17 on Jan 20, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Capuano
I think we have to look at it this way…ONE PROBLEM AT A TIME.
Last year I think we’d all agree NOW that Gordon just wasn’t getting the best out of the roster he had, so the first change needed to be him.
The next problem was inconsistent goaltending. After putting 7 in the grinder, they came up with Montoya, and found Poulin had some potential as well. Now they can add Nabby to the list of possible netminders to keep the position stable. Situation resolved…next.
The most recent issue was the defense. The failure to bring in a quality D to fill a top four role haunted them in the first half… maybe killed the season. The fact that Streit and Macdonald were not at full stength was making the darkness even darker. They may still need to upgrade at the deadline or over the summer, but the pairing of Streit and Jurcina (along with Streit’s recovery upgrade), Amac’s return to form, and the upgrade of the third pairing with Eaton and Reese has given them enough backline strength to play some pretty impressive hockey over the past 10-15 games.
Now the issue will be the offensive lines and tweaking them for the end of the year, and putting together lines that won’t have to be broken up going into next season. The top line looks like a keeper. The two lines competing for the second line TOI are riddled with UFA decisions (Nielsen, Parentau), a middle six talent question (Martin), a productivity question (Bailey), a cap mule(Rolston) and some good young players possibly ready to make middle six contributions (Nino, THE U, THE RAKH). This is something that needs to be dealt with at the all-star break… and maybe through February.
Then when the upgrade cycle goes around to the coach again (over the summer) they will have some better data to make a better decision. Those factors will be:
1. The performance of the team under Capuano.
2. The staff that remains… there is a good possibility that Allen and/or Chynoweth get offers to move on.
3. Options. Who out there will work on LI with budget issues and obvious UFA repellent issues.
4. Is there a Ken Hitchcock solution available… especially if the team is responding to Capuano. Do you gamble your winnings?
5. Does Snow really want to end a relationship that has bought into THE REBUILD since day one. The guy who has molded the prospects in the AHL and NHL for somebody who may want to blow the whole thing up after a poor 40 games.
6. JT and Hamonic… I think those two opinions matter most. They are the future. I’d find it hard to think that either of them would be calling for a different coach right now… but if either of them is even luke warm about retaining Cappy… then maybe we have another Lavy situation.
But let’s not talk about whether cappy is the right guy right now. He’s THE ONLY GUY right now, and he’s doing what he needs to. Let’s talk about it when the music stops playing.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The whole Capuano discussion often reminds me that it is never just one person's fault.
There have been many minor tweaks over the past few weaks that have shored up holes. Remove some of the holes and you see more consistency, with more consistency the players read each other better and play better. Yes Coach Gordon, confidence in your teammates and the system does matter. There is no single thing, as you have pointed out, that will move this team forward, nor a single player that can affect a game all by themselves.
Except for Mottau, everytime an Islander defender makes a good play, a Snow Angel gets its wings.
by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Zuzu's Petals
Except for Mottau, everytime an Islander defender makes a good play, a Snow Angel gets its wings.
Rec’d!
Over the last month I’ve blasted Snow for that BS interview… but I have always given him credit for trying to address the team’s core issues. You can’t fix everything at one time, and if you fix what you can with the opportunities that present themselves the best you can, you are doing a good job.
I need to change my signature now.
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@JPinVA
The RAHK !!!
There it is….couldn’t resist, could you? Try removing the keys R, A, H, and K to see if that resolves your addiction.
Otherwise, very well said, everything else.
by JPinNYC on Jan 20, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It's THE RAKH...
What is so unbelievable about the leading scorer on the AHL affiliate getting an NHL opportunity.
Hey, look what’s up on the Bridgeport website… maybe I’m not so crazy afterall.
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@JPinVA
Could be a cool line name
Especially if we draft Anton Weewill in the 4th round next year.
(Doesn’t really exist)
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JP is citing PR for his case?
What the hell is going on around here?!
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Still Reveling in beating the Flyers
or should I say drooling.
One tidbit note: on the 4 – 3 Talbot was actually kicked out of the circle when he broke his stick. It was a defensemen who took the draw and promptly lost the puck to JT. One could say, meant to be.
Butchieism of the Night for me:
Butch: Turgeron……
Howie: did you just say Turgeron.
Butch: My french was never that good.
Someone mentioned it the other day, but I love this guy too, between Howie and Butchie I can sit there and laugh at the stuff they say.
Nino, I have been meaning to write up a piece on why I think what the Islanders are doing with him is the right way at the moment. I will get to that maybe this weekend.
by ghalbart on Jan 20, 2012 7:32 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I miss Jaffe for his genuine insights
but the dynamic between Butch and Howie is pretty great and always good for a laugh.
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
I think Howie
just likes talking with old players like Butch. Hearing about all the Islanders and NHLers of the past. Its kind of laid back and fun to hear.
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Butch doesn't really help educate the fans, boy...
He just cites the obvious, boy…
Let me tell you, boy oh boy, the Islanders are a hockey team.
They’re a team of hockey players, Howie. See that guy? John Tavares? Plays hockey.
by Les Beaver on Jan 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To think Butch has been a coach, GM, broadcaster and nearly a HOF playing career
and yet his basic failure to grasp the English language makes him come across as just some lovable cartoon character. I mean, the guy has to know the game, considering the positions he has held at almost every level of hockey.
He was an athlete and he knows the game of hockey...
But that doesnt mean he’s astute…He obviously didn’t succeed at coaching…He isnt a good analyst and he’s not good at calling games…But thats ok…Not everyone is good at everything…I’m a fan of the guy and Im not bashing him…Just being honest
I know youre just calling em as you see em… but to say he didnt succeed at coaching is not really fair. He actually was a successful coach- til he got to the NHL and was given what was arguably the worst, cheapest team the Isles ever had.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
He did fine in coaching in Boston and his AHL career got him to the NHL
So yes he was a quality NHL coach, no one could have coached those Islander teams.
by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I really didnt follow him when he coached anywhere else...
I’ll take you’re word for it…
He won IHL championships with the Grizzlies in two separate cities
First in Denver, then in Salt Lake after the Avs moved to Denver.
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Nino made a sick move to the net
He created a nice opportunity, maybe he saw Couturier and decided, I’m as good as that kid and he is putting up significant numbers. He had limited ice time tonight, but hard to fault the coach when the team wins.
I have to say, Butchie has gone from senility to funny.
Maybe’s he’s loosened up a bit, but I enjoy him now. He reminds me a little of Phil Rizzuto in the Yankees booth. Knows what’s going on, is rather funny, but he’s gonna throw some weird shit out there now and then.
by Les Beaver on Jan 20, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Butchie's gotten off topic
But don’t think he’s in Rizzuto territory yet. Will never forget Phil saying, “hey White have you seen my pignioli nuts? Cora packed me a bag…” I guess the slow pace of baseball affords the commentators the time to go off topic, way off topic.
by 4PeatSake on Jan 20, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Butchie is less senile and more funny...
…when the Isles are winning games.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Butchie's not senile by any means
It’s more a case of his brain working too fast for his vocabulary to keep up. In all seriousness, he’s probably ADD. All things considered he does a good job. I’ve never heard him sound unprepared. In a case like that, malaprops tend to add rather than detract.
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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is exactly what it is.
So the guy does not have fluidity of speech- OK, theres that. I really like Butch and have no problem with him. I dont particularly care that he isnt slick like a used car salesman. Butchie loves this team and knews what he is talking about, even if he cant always get the words out. Also- maybe people dont think about the fact that he is talking off the cuff… its not as easy as one might think!
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody said it was easy and thats why not everyone can do it. Its a profession and Butch isn't very professional, IMHO.
He doesnt have to talk like a sales man but it would be nice if he educated the fans like Jaffe did…Rarely does Butchy break down plays to show fans whats going on on the ice…Jaffe made me a smarter hockey fan…Butchy makes me stupider, lol…j/k
So basically,
Butch does his job about as well as his old teammate Chico Resch.
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by PGI on Jan 21, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like paint drying. Boring as hell.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 21, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I don't like him ever since last year...
Remember that game where the zebras basically handed it to the Devils on a silver platter? They gave Nielsen a phantom 10 minute misconduct and a 2 minute minor? Basically giving the Devils the chance to tie it up and then win in OT? The isles and Devils were neck & neck in the standings. Chico said during intermission that the Devils NEED this win to make that playoff push and that the Isles WANT this win for other reasons…Meanwhile, the Devils were only a point or so a head of the Isles…He basically he discredited the Isles like they had no right to a playoff push…That comment pissed me off…This is why the refs screwed us…The NHL wanted the Devils to make a run but not the lowly Isles…
That was the game where Cappy complained in his post game press conference saying that the games shouldn’t be decided by the guys wearing stripes..BUt thats the NHL for ya…
by KO21 on Jan 21, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anybody hear what Howie said to Butch in the post game?
Howie: What is older, Neiderreiter or that jacket?
Butchie: (laughs) Niederreiter , just by a hair.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
Talbot was actually kicked out of the circle when he broke his stick
Is that right? How about that. Thanks for the correction. On that play I actually remember the Philly feed went to an overhead view where I obviously did not realize that kicked him from the circle.
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Howie and Butch broke it down in their post-game I think
Spoke of the irony of talbot’s involvement in it. It was some good analysis – and butch was involved!
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
He should have just used another guys stick
Sure its not his, but he is a better faceoff guy than some random Dman… and the dman would have had time to go get another stick for himself. Maybe they saw that as too risky thinking they would lose the faceoff?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Consistanty 13th to 15th?
We’re #12 now!
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
11th if you care more about
points per game than what NHL’s standings say! We have two games to get one point and we surpass Buffalo.
Islanders 4 Winter Classic 2013
Revenge is a dish better served cold
"After the Sabres acquired my rights and I spoke with Terry Pegula and (GM) Darcy Regier, I did my due diligence on the team and I was very impressed.
I called some former teammates and others in the NHL who also had great things to say and I was aware that (former Calgary Flames defenseman) Robyn Regehr had waived his no-trade clause in his contract this week to join the Sabres. My goal is to win the Stanley Cup, and after the offer I received from Buffalo, I believe this is the best place to make it happen."
:P
We will see how things will turn out in a couple of years.
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by Francesca on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or....10 years.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
NICE!!!!
We need to have a list of Islander rejectors..
Smyth
The whole crew from the 2007 exodus
Last year’s defensive UFA pool
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
I don't miss any of the players...
but I do miss the credibility that was starting to come back before the circus of 2006-07 that removed all shreds of credibility from the organization.
And here we are again at the crossroads… It is good that we haven’t heard “boo” from Wang in a while, and unless he does something incredibly stupid Snow should get the credibility level of the organization back to it’s highest since the Bill Torrey Era.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
Those rosters (Guerin, Satan, Comrie) etc.
never seemed like more than stop gaps. Guys that were coming out of their prime teamed with a bunch of fair to middlin’ players. There was never hope for a deep run. And the future didn’t seem too bright either.
These are the type of moves I hate.
They make you perennially mediocre. I want to compete for something, not two games of playoff revenue.
I always missed JoeVa
Actually, now I really miss him.
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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Me, too. :(
I remember us talking about him here at random times and being happy that I wasxnt the only one who thought we let a quality guy who wanted to be here skate away for no good reason.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like a recurring theme...
Yashin was paid to go away and Comeau was given away for free…I also thought Meyer was worth keeping too…Come to think of it, what did we get for Biron?
Pretty much- except the Isles gave him permission to negotiate before he walked.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
The worst move was buying out Yashin...
it really made no sense..I bought then I drank the Kool aide and was on board with it…
I'm fine with it
I feel that it was a risk worth taking, though one that I’m glad Garth went for. Yashin was one of the most frustrating Islanders to watch, and it’s not like you see a ton of NHL teams lining up to sign him.
Also, this:
Tavares > Yashin
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, I didn't mind it
And needed no Kool-aid to wash it down. I was more impressed that they had the ball$ to do it.
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Agreed
When it comes to looking back on that offseason, I understood the motivations behind the buyout – the Islanders clearly trying to move on from Yashin and heavily invest in Smyth. Well, that didn’t work out. Honestly, I don’t think Yashin would’ve helped the 2007 – 2008 Islanders much anyhow, they still would’ve been spectacularly terrible.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
The motivation was to appease to Smyths vanity.
Looking back it really made no sense to pay this guy not to play…Why not use him as a 3rd liner like Oldston?
There would be less need for cap mules or stop gaps...
Yashin could’ve filled a roll…Now hes a cap hit and there is no player to show for it…We have too much wasted cap space. Like I said, back then, I was for it…It made sense because we thought that Ted Nolan and Garth were creating a new culture…But looking back, it really didn’t make sense…Even if it did appease Smyth’s vanity and he signed here…What does that say about Smyth? Thats not a team player, IMHO…From what I know about him. He is a great team player so that strategy wasn’t gonna work anyway…He wasnt gonna sign here just because Yashin was bought out…In fact, maybe that made it less attractive to Smyth…I just think that buying out Yash is mismanagement of assets…It would’ve made more sense to buy him out once we had a team where there was no room left for him…But clearly we do…I would trade several of these cap mules for Yashin…But, ultimately, this was far from the worst move Isles management has made…Not sure that’s a good thing, lol…In other words its not the end of the word but I can’t see how this move improved the teams situation.
Yashin actually wouldn't be here any more
His cap hit via the buyout lives on right now because it doubles the years you have left.
His contract would’ve expired by now.
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by Dominik on Jan 22, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup, it would have expired last game of last season.
And Yash was there at NVMC for the game, I even talked to him and Carol Alt.
What a moment for a visit, huh?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 22, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Yashin
carried more baggage than MacArthur airport at the time.* He had to go. Pretty good player, super nice guy, but he had to go in order for the Islanders to move on. Take a note, Rick,
- - yes, I’ll use this line until I die.
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Well, I mean, I liked some of those them.
I liked Guerin, and Satan was my favorite guy before Frans’ immaculate arrival, and I liked Vasicek too….was never a Hilbert fan, admittedly – though I did like Jon [back then he was Jonathan] Sim….but, I mean, from a long term perspective, I didn’t think any of those guys were going to lead this team to a cup…now I feel bad for disrespecting Vasicek…. :(
I still contend without that knee injury in Game 2
Jon Sim … he was the right signing, that knee injury just set him back and stole practically two years from a body that didn’t have that kind of time.
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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He was a Ted Nolan-type player.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Miro Satan
did good work for the Islanders. I enjoyed his time here.
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by PGI on Jan 21, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
mwah-mwah-mwaaaahhhhhhh
How do you say “mocking trombone” in German?
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Hopefully the Isles will finish higher than the Sabres and get to pick that forth rounder Buffalo wanted.
Then that player goes on to have an ALL-Star career with the Isles. Sweet dreams.
If they finish ahead of Buffalo
Then the fourth-rounder they get back will be higher than the one they sent to Vancouver. In the fourth round those few spots won’t be a huge deal, but it’s kind of nice.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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To ass to the sentiments at the end of this post...
Striet said to Peter Pan
“we cant get too happy”…
But as an Isles fan, its a wonderful morning!
by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 8:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
As I always say
feel free to add some ass
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
by ilopan on Jan 20, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
It feels good
my brain keeps annoyingly telling me that there is still a lot to fix on this team but for now its nice to revel in a chunk of consistently good play. Hopefully the chunks keep getting bigger and bigger.
Oh and Kyle showed last night exactly why he’s my favorite player. That fire battling for the puck and sticking up for his linemates is contagious!
Special applause for Okposo and Reese
It’s good to see our boys standing up for themselves and for each other. I don’t want them fighting often but refusing to be pushed around is the “toughness” this team needs to have.
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
by ilopan on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Its good for them
Last year they definitely learned to stand up for themselves, and did so without becoming goons(despite the common belief). Sure many still think of them as the “lowly Islanders”, but at least they know differently.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
earlier in the season this wasn't the case...
they are coming together again…Too bad they wait until their backs are against the wall…
Isn't it considered a good omen...
…when the Isles stand up to Philly?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
nervous
after Philly scored their only goal, we got into a kind of funky panic prevent mode. I didn’t like it.
But they still held on long enough to put it away
That is the huge difference and why keeping them off the board in the second like they did to the Caps is so important. You don’t want to give the other team any spark until it is too late for them to recover.
The Flyers did put on a full press, but I don’t think they could have sustained it for an entire period either. If the Islanders cough up one earlier, they don’t need nearly as much sustained pressure to catch up. That’s why the 60 minute efforts are so important. The weak goals you give up in the first two periods come back to haunt you in the third.
Very true. Glad they kept it together.
Played it simple: get sticks down, sweep it to the outside, get it out of the zone.
PAP taking the penalty to break the stick
A penalty like this isn’t taken if you don’t have confidence in your team to defend on the PK.
I was quite okay with that penalty.
Breaking the stick helped the Islanders prevent a scoring chance.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Probably the right call
but, boy do I hate that rule. I’m a fan of the old fashioned stick check. I guess if they allowed them in today’s game, the ice would be littered with graffite.
Used to be any shot to the stick below the hands was a stick check
It drives me crazy that it is a slash when it is stick on stick below the glove. Does that mean if I whack the blade of another player that is also a slash? Keep ther stick swinging below your own shoulder and below the opposing players stick should be legal.
I agree
I think it’s the stupid composite sticks. They break so often it’s like they had to invent a penalty for it.
It's one of those "it depends" things
To quote the relevant section of the rule (Rule 61):
61.1 … Any forceful or powerful chop with the stick on an opponent’s body, the opponent’s stick, or on or near the opponent’s hands that, in the judgment of the Referee, is not an attempt to play the puck, shall be penalized as slashing.
(My emphasis.) You don’t want a guy beaten on the play to just club indiscriminately at the puck carrier, hoping to get the stick instead of an arm. Neither can you just swat the stick out of an opponent’s hands. You also don’t want to ring up a guy who’s just jabbing at a stick to knock the puck off of it. The commish in our little rec league gave us a guideline: if you come over the top or bring your stick back beforehand, then you’re slashing, no matter what you hit. But there is always going to be a fuzzy border where one team is going to yell no matter what.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I completely agree it was the right play
But if you think the PK is going to let you down, you hesitate and the opportunity to stop a real scoring chance is blown. Guys not hesitating and being comfortable in their roles and having confidence in their teammates does impact the game.
me neither I hate the prevent mode...
They get all bunched up in front of the net and allow outside shots…But the goalie is screened and that’s how deflections happen and end up in the net…I don’t know why Cappy would change their game from what was working,
Its collapse defense
It can be an effective strategy because it leads to a lot more blocked shots and tipped passes. Thankfully the Islanders did a good job of making those blocks with the pressure on. I think it was Eaton or AMac who went completely prone in the crease to block a back door play (beautiful effort!) But you are right about the problem of creating a forest of randomness in front of the goalie.
Where it really hurts is that while you keep the other team to the outside, you have to work harder to get the puck away from them. They keep it on the boards they can COZO all they want because you have to skate from the middle of the zone to the outside to come get it. And this leads to numerous chance after chance and why it looks like the Isles are on their heels. I myself don’t like when they collapse too much. I like a more aggressive “attack the puck carrier” style, even when trying to prevent.
BUT, while laying back in the 3rd gave the Flyers more opportunities, the Isles did win the game.
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I can appreciate that.
Maybe they should find a happy medium.
Butchisms
After JT continued his point streak, the broadcast put up a graphic of the Islanders with 10+ game point streaks. Turgeon and Palffy have the longest with 13. Butch called him Pierre “Tugeron” and Howie commented on this, something about a Michel Turgeron or something that may or may not have played for the Isles…
Can we get a compilation of these Butchisms somewhere on the site?
I only get to watch half the games and seem to miss a lot of these. It would be great if we could get a quote board going. You could fill a pirate’s chest with his gems.
I've been calling for someone to compile a Butchlopedia
But who’s got the time to search every single game thread since he’s been here? lol
We started one over a year ago
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2010/10/30/1783363/butch-ery-forays-into-sounding-it-out
But it fell off the map, the comments closed and almost isn’t searchable any more…I had to go into my personal cache of former fan posts…I couldn’t access it from the SBN search bar for some reason. Maybe it is only the stories in the year…or maybe I’m and idiot.
Enjoy
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those are great
Butch’s picture shows him wearing # 21. Did he wear that in 1980 and switch to # 91 when Brent Sutter arrived? I think St. Laurent wore it prior to that????
I'm pretty sure Butch wore #19 in Los Angeles
Obviously, that was not an option on the Isles. I think they bumped him to 21 when he arrived, and then starting the next season, he requested 91 as it was the reverse of his preferred number.
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Butch was indeed 19. I care about theses things.
Just like Trottier wore 61 in an All-Star Game since it is an upside down 19.
Stupid SBN search bar still isn't working
The results only return things from the past year or so. They’re working on it, but it’s very frustrating. Half the reason this stuff is here is to remember how dumb/brilliant we once were!
I end up using Google Search with a lot of precise terms.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Yeah
googling with site:lighthousehockey.com is probably the best bet. Just unfortunate because the user search was a nice feature on the search here.
I know
Breaking stuff up by comments/stories/fanposts and such. Really quite annoyed. It’s like my NHL95 battery went blank again.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
we need to build on that...
But we cant add any more comments…
After JT continued his point streak, the broadcast put up a graphic of the Islanders with 10+ game point streaks. Turgeon and Palffy have the longest with 13.
Thats just the 5 most recent streaks – they are defintiely not the longest (50 in 50 anyone?) :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
(50 in 50 anyone?)
Did Bossy actually record a point in all of those game? The 50 in 50 just refers to scoring 50 goals in 50 games (or less), but not having one in each.
He could have had a hat trick or multi goal games, so he wouldn't actually need a goal a game.
Greztky scored 9 goals in the last 2 games he played to make it 50 goals in 39 games
Right
And I see Gretzky (of course) has the NHL record with points in 51 straight games.
Guess I’ll have to download the Isles media guide (again) and look. Should just save it at this point.
by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Crap!
Should have saved it because now even the very outdated 07-08 one isn’t available anymore.
How hard would it be to put this online? The other teams find a way. Should be mandated by the league.
by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
True- but Id think there was probably more than a 13g point streak in there.
Besides- my point was that the broadcast said the last 5, it did not say all time.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
It was a Michel Bergeron
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/bergemi01.html
I think Howie’s comment was something along the lines of Butch combining the names Turgeon adn Bergeron to get Turgeron
Great Read....
As far as Cappy, i think early in the season this team was not competing. For the past month/month 1/2 its been a different team to me. Even some games where they were blown out, they still skated their ass off. The infamous timeout as well (although i didnt agree with it), i like the fact that Capuano stood up and said, this is why i did it and ill do it again. Its baby steps from the puzzled look he often has on his face and general explanations of every win and loss, but hes been better. Not good yet, but better.
Nabakov deserves a ton of credit. Its amazing what good goaltending can do. Without him last night that game could have very easily turned the other way and we’d be singing a different tune. Ditto for Bobrovsky, but he spent a little too much time in the kitchen last night and got burned.
Reese/Giroux – I dont like to bring up biased instances in sports, but sometimes you really have to wonder. Not so much on this particular play, but some of the things that have happened recently in sports makes me think far too often about his. Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the whistle blown when the isles had the puck and before the 2 of them dropped the gloves? Shouldnt there have been an initial 2 minute penalty to each? Like i said, i could be wrong, but based on the whistle being blown shouldnt they have received 2 minute minors on top of their fighting major or is this usually negated by a fight? I’ve seen plenty of times where a player will draw an extra 2 from a slash and then get 5 for fighting on top of that. Because that would have taken Giroux (phillys best player) off the ice for 7 minutes instead of 5 while we were only losing our 6th defenseman.
Lastly, by no means were the Flyers not in this game to win it. Whether it was their own sloppy play or the Isles just making them look bad, the Flyers still played this game to win. They were obviously irked at the fact that the Isles were beating them and tried desperately to find an answer, but could not. Thank you nabby
I longed for the day when we'd beat the Flyers/end this streak
now I long for the day when these streaks are meaningless and the 2 points at stake are everything.
If you f*in touch him again, Ill f*in kill you!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHA I love it. I thought someone was making that up in the previous thread. Things like this bring a huge smile to my face. We may be truly coming together as a real team! Who needs Konopka when you have killer kyle running around.
by LaFontaine16 on Jan 20, 2012 9:41 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Tavares is absolutely wonderful, but Moulson is a finisher, plain and simple.
This really can’t be said enough. I can remember him finding Sim in the slot a lot that first year, and the puck being buried into the goalies chest over and over.
by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Cappy's Hair
is becoming a cult hero… watch as this couple manages to get a snapshot of it during the 3rd period

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by bob l on Jan 20, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Not the kind of sniper shots I'm used to.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 20, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
they were giggling
while they were trying to get that perfect shot, lol
These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar
(I'm assuming they're taking a pic of themselves)
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
The lens is pointed outward
So they weren’t photographing themselves unless it has two lenses. It is possible they were just reviewing an image in this still shot, but bob saw it on video, it seems.
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Nabby has been really good
Eventually we will see if she shall stay or she shall go.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
The Isles
are three wins away from the all-important 1 point per game! LEts do It
Islanders 4 Winter Classic 2013
by Rybee824 on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Plus/Minus...
…the morning after. I just wanted to add to this
+ Isles are in 12 place in PTS, but actually 11th because their .93 PPG is better than the Sabre’s .91PPG. (Just sayin’) Their next goal is to get past either WIN or TOR. 2 of the next 4 are against TOR, so they will be able to lay the groundwork.
+ Tim Wallace. Wallace replaced Jay Pandolfo in early December. At the time, Marty reasoner was minus infinity, and the fourth line was pretty ineffective. Since that time Reasoner was rejuvinated until injured, and now Pandolfo seems to be better than he was before injury took him out. But the biggest plus in all this is the play of NINO. I’m not saying that Wallace is Mark Messier reincarnate, but he has allowed the Isles to roll four and get a ton more out of that fourth line. He has played physically and with energy… and that is more of what we need from Nino… and he has been producing. Nino is finishing checks with some intensity, and being aggressive with the puck. Before the Wallace call up Nino had 4 shots in 6 games, since the call up he has had 29 shots on goal in 16 games. If the hockey gods don’t allow the Islanders to replace Rolston with Ullstrom, then they should replace Pandolfo with THE U. That would be a helluva fourth… WALLY-THE U-NINO… and that is something that we can keep for next year without having to clear it with the social security office.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
Agree with everything
except replacing Pandolfo as plan B. We don’t have an experienced PK/shot blocking/4th liner type. But the role of slow, a-physical winger (Rolston) can easily be improved upon.
The "other" JP
I don’t really have a problem with Pandolfo, but I don’t really want to see him around next year. I’d rather see Rhett be groomed for that position and eventually have Casey be THAT GUY.
I don’t see them replacing Rolston with anybody until this year and his career is over… that’s unfortunate. The U needs to be in the NHL, and Rhett will need a spot eventually as well.
Bridgeport will probably have 3-5 more forward prospects next year, and I’m just not ready to give up on a productiuve [not so] young Rakhshani. Blake went from an offensive (more ways than one) prospect, to a defensive forward, to a 40 goal scorer in his professional career. I see no reason why Rhett can’t do the same.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
Rolston...
…still sooo bad last night. Even with his one good burst, he killed several other good plays. Short handed may be the only way Bailey and Martin will get points going forward. I really like the sounds of a line with the U, Bailey and Martin. So Garth, we understand the trade that brought us Rolston, we get it. It’s not your fault he’s so terrible. Here is your chance to make it better. Send Rolston to the A, bring up Ullstrom and watch good things happen. Please.
my favorite rolston (non)play last night
turnover/takeaway in our favor at our blue line, he’s skating up the left side, so we loft a cross ice pass in his direction, he judges it too far away and goes off on a change, instead of going for the fast break… it was almost a freaking icing as a result!
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Saw that
got all stabby.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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OMG I SAW THAT TOO!
I’ve also noticed him skating (basically) in circles during his shifts. It seems like unless he HAS to, he won’t touch the puck. It drives me crazy. Then I saw that last night and yelled at the TV – he could have (ok probably not) scored there but instead he casually turned away and got off the ice. Way to help the team, passenger 11.
Islanders vs. Flyers Gameday: Pretend it's someone else
So now we know that works.
by Les Beaver on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
yeah, and that weird ass thread yetserday where we talked about EVERYTHING BUT the Flyers
I think the team was as calm and relaxed as we were in that thread.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe it was the Stryper talk
They do have a relatively direct line with the big guy, cant hurt.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
That and Cappy's hair, we couldn't lose.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
IT WAS THIS

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Gigantor was the key to victory.
These modern space age robots take soil samples, Gigantor kicked ass and took names.
Gigantor definitely stays
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
First Rule of Gameday
Don’t Talk About Gameday.
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 20, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
IslesFaninNJ is referring to this list:
1. Don’t talk about Gameday
2. DO NOT talk about Gameday
3. When someone says “stop,” the argument is over.
4. Avoid 3rd-man-in.
5. One argument at at time per discussion.
6. Argue without personal accusations or name calling.
7. The argument goes as many rounds as it takes.
8. If this is your first gameday, you have to argue.
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
http://media.philly.com/images/600*601/20120120_dn_Z1DN6DONN20S.JPG.png
Well guess I failed
was trying to post picture from philly,com story about the game
See that little green box with the tree in it?
Put the URL in there, and make sure you erase the htp that is already in the box.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
This needs to go green.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
..........

Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Stay classy, Flyers fans!
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
notice how he's looking at the celebration
but giving the 2 handed middle finger straight ahead of him… optical illusion or was this aimed at his own goalie/team?
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That's Bailey's goal
Obviously the Flyers fan was counting how many times the Isles had scored up to that point.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
'Turtle this beotch'
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
OH MY GOD IT"S HAPPENING AGAIN!!

The New York Islanders: saving their best for the wrong conference since '05
by Chris McNally on Jan 20, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Talbot, some assmebly required, comes packaged in the fetal position.
by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Pens fans say it's packaged in fetal position just to save on shipping.
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Look at how taped up
Martin’s wrist is there. Wonder if it’s like that every game, or just the one’s he’s going to be speed bagging someone in.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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My favorite part was that Talbot actually tried to check Tavares on the play, right?
We need a gif of this play too.
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Correct
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
Website:Lighthouse HockeyTwitter: @KeithLHHockey
.....

Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I knew on the first 6 minutes we had a good chance
The team came out like a pack of wild dogs. I even read a Flyer game thread where a Flyer fan posted. Boy, The isles really want this game. Yes they did, yes they did.
And that save by Nabby in the 6th minute gave them major confidence, imo.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions
Coutourier
He looked real good again last night. Wow. I think we all knew he was more NHL ready then Strome, let’s just hope to God that Strome’s ceiling is waaay higher.
It is.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 20, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To start the season the Islanders roster wasn't NHL ready, so no point rushing Strome.
That was a slow start that we got off too and now we are seeing some of the changes we have been asking for for months finally take affect. I think Cappy and Snow were loyal to a few guys that they promised a shot and now that they’ve burned half a season they can move on. I appreciate the loyalty to some veterans, but I’m not sure what the long term payoff is going to be.
Exactly...ONE PROSPECT AT A TIME..
If they made the decision to bring up Nino(class of ‘10), and were leaving the door open for THE U(class of ’08), The Poulin Wall (class of ’08) and da “haan”(class of 09) or Doctor Defence (MD, Matt Donovan, Class of ’08) there was no need to roll the dice, and expand the coaching staff’s responsibility with the new RSH (Ryan Strome Hockey, class of ’11).
We are chock full of prospects right now… though we could really use a D or two.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
The Islander Revolution should be over, it is time for the evolution.
Bring in pieces as they are ready and as they are needed. Do it right, don’t rush, the baggage has been put to the curb. I wish they would move sooner on guys like Rolston and Mottau, but I also want reasonable growth and will suffer a little bit of extra suck now for a bigger payoff in the future.
I would be worried if by this point we didn’t see diminshed play by Rolston and company. That wouldhave me thinking the staff is blind and set in their ways. t looks like they are allowing people to play their way in and out of the lineup. It isn’t alwasy possible to be patient as a fan, but you have to be as ana organization.
by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously?
@NHLwiki: #NHL*Rumor*— #Isles and #Blues talking. Hearing G.Ben Bishop (STL) and Kyle Okposo’s (NYI) names being discussed.
No chance IMO.
UVa Student. Twitter: @ericdavidmorris
E5, baby
Okposo for Bishop?? Hello HFboards!
I mean, I know the Blues haven’t been scoring goals much, but for Okposo, I’m asking for Shattenkirk or Pietrangelo. Worst they can do is hang up on me. (And I’m sure they would. I would in their place.)
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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He didn't say anything about a trade, just that they were "talking"
Blues GM: I mean are you actually talking about this Okposo and Bishop thing, or are we
Garth: No, we’re just…
Blues GM: We’re just “talking” about it. Goalies, forwards…
Garth: We’re just speaking about it. As an idea.
Blues GM: As an idea.
Garth: Yes.
Blues GM: We’re not actually talking about it.
Lighthouse Hockey. Where Islanders fans come to panic with punctuation.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The only enticing trade proposal regarding Okposo
I ever saw on HF boards was a Okposo-Sbisa swap.
A Hamonic-Sbisa pairing would rock.
"If you have what you say you have, I’ll make you rich. If you don’t, I’ll make you into shoes" Jim Moriarty 1/1/2012
The blues have been pretty good recently so I doubt they would need to add at the moment.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
...why would the Islanders trade for another goalie?
And why would Kyle Okposo go anywhere?
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
he's playing well and locked up affordably for years
for Ben Bishop?! Crazypants.
by brother_rat on Jan 20, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
sounds like a
Milbury trade.
This just in @NHLwiki, we have a new GM who does not make trades like that, maybe you should update your Islanders Page and it would be clear.
Whoever this person is
He’s either very gullible or an idiot.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Why can't he be both?
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
by pippup on Jan 20, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I should've added that
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I've seen it done!
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
somebody has their butt all hurt
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions
You could make a "How many more years of Pronger/Bryz" retort...
but why waste the effort? Let em be smug, every team’s got problems. Oh and scoreboard :)
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
LOL!
This is funny. Is Philly really this perturbed because of one game against the lowly Islanders?
Is this supposed to be a, “Your goalie played well last night, and Tavares is turning into one of the best players in the NHL, but remember that you also have a 3rd string goalie who finds a way to injury every month or so” jab?
They can’t believe that their top-20 players were outplayed by Isles top-20, so they go after the 3rd string goalie? Ha! Get used to it, Flyer fans!
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I was struggling to come up with a headline, and I couldn’t think of anything with "Last time the islanders won in Philly…" In my searching, I saw that DiPietro is not only 30 years old and hasn’t won in Philly in nearly 6 years, but he’s signed for as long as Bryz. It’s really quite impressive.
Man-crushin’ on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey – Makin’ it look mean since 1967.
SB Nation Philly – Associate Editor
by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
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You won’t have that problem next game. Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
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Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
I thought the reference in the headline was to the Gallof DP story that would be linked in the post. But apparently not the case.
Lighthouse Hockey. Where Islanders fans come to panic with punctuation.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Gallof
Here is the DP piece:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/01/20/gallof-islanders-may-move-on-from-dipietro-sooner-rather-than-later/#.TxmjLW7v95Y.twitter
Lighthouse Hockey. Where Islanders fans come to panic with punctuation.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Warning - it is breathtakingly dumb
Ima go ahead and rate it for you here:

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Going over lots of old ground
The thing is, for non-casual Islander fans, DP is utterly irrelevant.
Sincerely,
DP’s Knees
Lighthouse Hockey. Where Islanders fans come to panic with punctuation.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I contemplated reading this...
but I don’t want to give his crappy pieces any hits.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
Not even going to bother reading it, I'm in your camp mikb.
I cannot read BD’s prose and when he’s on a soapbox about an issue he alone created, I can’t stand reading it.
Not just those issues, but his pieces are poorly written with far too many spelling and grammar issues. Fuck gallof
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Issue he alone created
That’s my beef with him. I appreciate his passion and, like the rest of us, he wants a winner. But he comes from the Botta mold of insinuating something is an issue and exploring a whole bunch of options without actually saying anything that’s concrete.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
I find them both to be guys that want themselves somehow injected into the story.
Thus taking away from the actual story itself. If there actually is a story to begin with.
Was there a story there before they arrived?
They are the Grabner’s of journalism, they create offensive opportunities where none existed before.
I disapprove of this use of the Gremlin's name.
Who is creating offensive opportunities now?!
:P
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
I have to laugh
There was a picture there when I previewed and posted, but when I refreshed the picture went away. But in this case, the red X actually fits.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Some intersting comments ther about FLYERROB, as well
We may have been just a tad bit misled about why he was banned from BSH.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
as long as he acts cool here though
I don’t think what you did somewhere else matters here.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Of course both sides aren't gonna agree on what happened, that rarely happens when someone is banned.
Take both sides with a grain of salt because the reality is probably in between both sides “tales”.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I've seen his rapsheet
he’s been causing trouble for a while, not here, but just about everywhere else.
"Mark D: the internet's foremost chronicler of Milburian insanity" - Pretty Good Idiot
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
It's possible that he's playing nice because he's relatively new
If he stirs up anything we can shut it down pretty quickly. Personally I didn’t see anything in the game thread that would warrant any action. We’ll see.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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agree
I’m just saying the guy isn’t a saint
"Mark D: the internet's foremost chronicler of Milburian insanity" - Pretty Good Idiot
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
What Mark and mikb said
Basically we want to let everyone hang themselves if they so choose. Not going to step in pre-emptively, but we’ll remain aware.
But mods can investigate the full history of warnings and reasons for banning.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Will you post a video
of said infractions and illustrate the rules broken, intent of the offending party and injuries caused, if any….a la a Shanniban?
You mean like, "To sum up:
1) This person said repeated toolish things without even saying hello first;
2) This person has no grip on reality;
3) Billy Smith is spelled with two "L"s, stupid.
The Department of LHH Safety has decided on a lifetime ban."
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Very refreshing, thank you.
the old commissioner just drank booze all day and randomly assigned penalties based on personal biases….I think his son is a contributor for the Bruin’s SB Nation page
by 4PeatSake on Jan 20, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like we are finally getting some (good) attention
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
and Dobbs talking about the ascent of
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
There's also a clip on TSN with Craig Button apologizing
for saying last year that if the 2009 draft was redone he would have taken Duchene first.
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
where's this clip, i cant find it
islanders hockey, making a sane person go insane during finals week
At the risk of violating SOPA
Today Craig Custance and Pierre LeBrun talk about — wait, is that right? — the New York Islanders. And other stuff. Go!
CUSTANCE: Happy Friday to you, Pierre. Lots of action last night and plenty more this weekend. But I want to lead with a team we rarely praise in this spot (and for good reason): the New York Islanders. They beat the Flyers 4-1 in a rare Islanders win in Philadelphia. Evgeni Nabokov was outstanding, making 40 saves, and John Tavares pushed his point streak to 11 games. The Islanders have won four of six games, and that includes impressive wins over Detroit and Philadelphia and a shutout win over the Capitals. In Tavares, Matt Moulson and P.A. Parenteau, the Islanders have three 40-point scorers. As pointed out recently by our friend Katie Strang, Tavares has found another gear here lately and has 15 points in nine January games. So what do we make of this mini-resurgence by the Islanders? Another meaningless second-half surge when they’re already out of the playoff hunt? Or the evolution of a young, talented team?
LEBRUN: This is the Islanders team I thought we’d see from the get-go this season. I do believe this is indeed the evolution of a young and talented team that will make the playoffs … next season. The Isles dug too big a hole for themselves this season, much to the chagrin of their loyal and maligned fan base. I respect few fans more than I do Islanders fans. To stick with this team this long after what they’ve been through, that’s true loyalty. I agree with Katie on Tavares; in fact, I’d argue he found another level in his game in October compared to last season and now has raised his game yet another notch in January. Moulson, meanwhile, doesn’t get the national attention he deserves. He’s on pace for a 40-goal season, which would easily eclipse his high of 31 set last season. The 28-year-old Toronto native has 89 goals in 238 NHL games over two and a half years. Not too shabby. Parenteau, meanwhile, is eligible for unrestricted free agency July 1. Good timing on his part to be putting up career numbers as well. Veteran agent Allan Walsh, who represents Parenteau, told me Friday morning that talks about an extension with the Islanders have not begun.
CUSTANCE: Yeah, safe to say Parenteau will be getting a raise over the $1.25 million he’s earning this season. Isles GM Garth Snow is going to have some decisions to make this offseason because this team is loaded with UFAs, especially on defense.
He likes us; He Really likes us…
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 20, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The defensive decisions won't be as hard as Craig thinks
Buh-bye!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh my god
That just gave me a tear in my eye to read that! I mean, he can still go and (blank) a duck, but….wow!
Being born in New York and rooting for the Islanders, Jets, and Mets. Yeah, I know.
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by CharlieIsles on Jan 20, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
We should have blanked the ducks
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
by ilopan on Jan 20, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I call fraud! All the love after the wins.
Where were they when the Islanders were playing poorly? Did they say, this is unexpected? Did they say this is a better team than this?
Rec'd like the perseption of NO PRESSURE GAMES
Yeah, safe to say Parenteau will be getting a raise over the $1.25 million he’s earning this season. Isles GM Garth Snow is going to have some decisions to make this offseason because this team is loaded with UFAs, especially on defense
But this is the most important part of the conversation.
The conversation is going to start shortly, so my not now.
Nielsen and Parentau… We’ll be looking at upping the payroll about $7M for both (maybe more) and with a minimum of 3 years in term. If this isn’t going to happen, Identify which one will, and get value for the other… and possibly try to sign both by July 2nd. But one needs to be extended and the other, if possible, needs to be traded for a relatively close defensive prospect… or a 27-30 YO D salary dump… with value.
The rest should take care of itself. Jurcina is appreciated here, and has earned another extension, (2 years at $2M per?). Eaton will be replaced from within the organization and Mottau… really? I might be convinced to resign Staios, if a vet like that is willing to take a two-way… I wouldn’t pay him $800K to play in the AHL.
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@JPinVA
slow down JP
or hire an editor, lol
perception
“so my not now”
and this whole section is a mess
“I might be convinced to resign Staios”
These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar
I'd prefer Eaton over Staois
Jurcina at $2 m per for 2 years is also steep, but then again Martinek is out for the season with post concussion syndrome again so defenseman are not easy to come by.
Jurcina?
Right now Milan is a top four defender for us. It’s a stop gap, no doubt… but if he can be that, and/or a third pair guy as prospects grow… then he easily fits into a playoff team’s budget at $2M per….
Remember that we get stugots for >$5M/yr. So if you have to fill your holes with putty, let’s try to weed out the silly putty (Mottau).
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It depends on which Jurcina plays that contract
Is is good Jurcina, who takes the body and brings a heavy point shot? Or is it “I forgot that I’m 6’ 5” and my skates are on the wrong feet" Jurcina?
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Milan is a top four defender for us
But wouldn’t be for almost anyone else. If he’s anything more than 7th man next year, I’d be disappointed, and I’d still be disappointed because I’d rather see Reese there.
You're gonna be disappointed...
unless Snow dances on the high wire without a safety net again.
I hate to bring this up, but every year we let defensemen go with diminishing skill sets and every year it bites us in the ass.
We basically threw the whole year away again because the organization doesn’t have 8 quality (NHL level defensemen).
Jurcina needs to be extended before you get on the high wire (JULY 1).
Eaton may be a better choice, but will the team be willing to bury $2M in the AHL, because next year deHaan, Donovan and Katic should all bea ble to improve on what is there now. I think Jurcina, at worst is a healthy scratch, but I doubt it, because they don’t have any size in the organization… and he has been playing big… plus he has one of the better point shots in the organization.
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I think this year
more than others, there are a number of much more useful free agent defensemen. I have a fanpost in the hopper on this and our budget, etc. I’ll try to work on finishing it up, but I’ll just say that I believe between the guys in the system, and a couple of signings we could see a big upgrade.
You’re right though. There’s a risk in waiting, and the risk ends up with Staios in orange and blue.
Never once said they shouldn't have the safety net up
I’m just thinking that a costly Jurcina may cause us to penny pinch on an upgrade. A Mottau, Staois and Jurcina does not equal a Martin.
I’d bring Jurcina back, I’m just not sure it would take $2 million for 2 seasons to do it.
Jurcina=Upgrade
If you sign Jurcina you are upgrading the 5/6 role. If you get a 3/4 guy, that could mean that you have MacHamonic(1/2), UFA/Donvan/deHaan(3/4), Steit/Jurcina(5/6)…Katic, Reese, Wishart… and so on.
If you don’t get the UFA replace that spot with Wishart, make it the 5/6 and we’re still competetive. Either scenario looks much better with Jurcina, then any other UFA D they have right now… because there is no size in the organization besides Wishart, and he doesn’t play physical hockey.
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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Isles need Jurcina for his size. They can’t afford to go into next season with Hamonic as the lone big/physical defenseman.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with mikb's assessment of Jurcina
Skate or wrong foot or hey I’m bigger htan him maybe I give him a push Jurcina.
He is so frsutrating to me since I’ve been watching him since his Cap days and he just seems to forget how big he is a tries to be Jack Hillen.
That's the thing
When he is playing physically, he is a good top-4 defenseman. I think playing with Streit helps him remember, because Streit has all the finesse stuff covered.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
By "good", I mean "serviceable"
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Streit definitely helps...
He would have been an excellent 3rd pairing with Hillen as well. I really haven’t seen that much over handling the puck with Milan this year, except in the dark days when there was Mottau back there with him.
I see MJ’s biggest flaws in his small area skating. He’s clumsy… I can live with clumsy, if he uses his assets well… and I give him a lot of credit for being what they have needed last year, and this year when there was any help at all.
he’s definitely (IMHO) a huge improvement over Gervais and a pretty good one over Staios as a partner for Streit.
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by JPinVA on Jan 21, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you think
about Wishart as a Jurcina replacement?
Would we need to know that before this season ends?
Unless Isles stay very hot, I expect to DEFINITELY see Wishart in the last 10 games.
I mean, why not? The only reason is if they are sure Wishart cannot contribute. (Which is pretty hard to prove, seeing how he played reasonably well last season.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Don't see it
He has a better shot as a replacement for Eaton.
Wish has size, but almost no physicality. He’s almost what you might call timid. They can’t afford that.
He was very good last year in a role where he could carry the puck and make plays. He makes a good first pass and is generally responsible in both ends… but this is the biggest issue I had with Comeau…. When you don’t stand up for yourself, it’s hard for your teammates to respect you, and it gets a little ugly out there. I think the staff likes Wishart the player, the players like wishart the player, but he just needs to grow a set… I mean, that’s pretty much why reese is getting paid NHL rate, and he’s not.
Check out his “fight history” and it’s pretty easy to tell why he’s non-confrontational… D version of COMEAU.
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That fits the bill for Jurcina though
1 career NHL fight, and it was in a preseason game. So actually 0 career NHL fights. You can add in 1 he had in the Q for a grand total of 2. Wishart has 14 on his card, so by that reasoning he’s got a significantly bigger pair than Jurcina (maybe it’s the juice?).
And while I might not call Jurcina timid per se, I don’t think he’s physical by any stretch. That was partially why I considered Wishart as a replacement for him.
FWIW, Jurcina is averaging 2.6 hits/game this year. Wishart averaged 1.3 last year. So Jurcina hits twice as much, to the tune of 1 more hit/game. I’m not sure that makes much of a difference.
Watch the fights...
not quantity, quality… he is an ass kicking waiting to happen. I’d rather have somebody who is tough, that doesn’t fight. I’m pretty sure calvin deHaan would give Wishart a beat down if it ever came to that…
Did you happen to see Milan rag doll one of the best skaters in the league? He can play physical, and I dare say a helluva lot more physical than the arbitrary hit statistic will exemplify in a vacuum.
There are times when you and I think, “jeez, Milan, TAKE HIM OUT OF THE PLAY” but Milan is thinking, “Did I put my skates on right this morning, because if I shift my weight to take him out, and they’re on wrong… TROUBLE”
Wishart is thinking, “I know I can flatten this guy, I’ve got him by 20lbs, I’m a better skater then he is, I have better balance… but if I embarass him he’s gonna wanna go… and i don’t wanna go”
That’s where having Gillies in BPT may have helped. I don’t need Wishart beating the crap out of people, but I do want Ty thinking he can beat the crap out of people… It may be the difference between $60K/Yr and $800K/yr… If you gave me an extra $740K every year I’d look like trevor, and scare CEO’s out of their lunch money.
Let’s hope Ty doesn’t become forever known as Ty Wishy Washy.
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@JPinVA
I only brought up fighting
because you argued Wishart won’t stand up for himself. I assumed you meant via fighting, since that was part of how you argued the same thing with Comeau. Quality doesn’t matter in that regard-the number of fights shows you stood up. Under that criteria, Milan has never stood up for his teammates in an NHL game. So if Wishart is non-confrontation, Jurcina is buddhist?
While Milan can play physical, he rarely does. That’s why he’s at the Last Chance Saloon for defensemen, aka the Isles blueline. The Caps begged him to be physical. They sent him off to a AAAA squad in Columbus to try and toughen up, but it still didn’t happen. And then he was left with us.
Really they’re probably pretty similar, but one of them at least has youth and a cheap contract on their side.
by afrosupreme on Jan 21, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
okay...
we’ll have to disagree on this one. I guess it’s a “feel” thing for me.
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@JPinVA
Same for me. I figure they’re both pretty soft for guys their size. And maybe it’s just because I’ve seen Wishart be soft a whole lot less that I prefer him. But really it’s more an age/cost thing, and I’d rather not see Jurcina clogging up the pipeline going forward.
Even though this is going to sound crazy given the state of our D, I’d even trade Jurcina if he was going to bring back something decent/
this made me laugh a little...
“clogging up the pipeline”
He is the pipeline… in your argument, you can add wishart… but in mine, there isn’t one iota of NHL ready “physical” size for possibly 3 years.
Let’s hope that they are successful at the deadline or over the summer.
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Jurcina is so goofy
I picture him as an instant peacemaker. Who can sustain feelings of violence once they see Lenny’s goofy mug?
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thanks...
wow… I can’t believe I typed “perseption”… absolutely no proofread.
“so my not now”… can aliens take over your brain for short periods of time…
“I might be convinced to resign staios”.. well.. maybe not that short a period.
Actually, i think Staios wouldn’t be such a bad choice. He has a good cap gap ($1.6M/$800K) and has been okay when healthy. He’s not what I want going into the future, but he might serve well as a vet in the AHL… but that’s not going to happen. I like D like Staios much more than I do Mottau or Eaton… on an off night Staios will at least engage. Eaton and Mottau compound their problems by shrinking physically.
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Eaton Reese's Pieces is not nearly as bad
Staois has had Streit bolstering him, for all of the talk about Streit’s decline, look how good Jurcina has looked playing with him. Eaton hasn’t had the Streit effect to make him look better this season.
by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eaton>Staios
is debatable. Staios_value>Eaton_value is not.
Eaton can stay in the press box all year @ $800K… They are not going to bury Eaton, or we’d have a third pairing of Reese and Donovan already… or at least it would be talked about. I think if you plan next year on a budget/cap board, you have to think about those decisions.
Look what it’s doing for Rolston… if Brian Rolston was making $800K he’d have been waived in December.
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@JPinVA
Value matters less when you have a cap floor to reach.
I just don’t think we have seen the best of Eaton whereas we have seen the best of Staois. And I don’t hate Staois he was just overused as a top pair defenseman. THe Islanders have a lot of those 6/7 defenseman I don’t hate, they are just playing too high up in the pairings.
Similar to the Islander forwards the past few seasons. Park, Bergy, Thompson, Jackman, even Sim etc, where not bad hockey players, they just filled a redundant role way to high up in the lineup.
We agree way more than I think you realize.
I don’t disagree with any of that. My vision for this team is to have this scenario.
Next year they ease Donovan or deHaan into a regular role and obtain another top 4 D. That means two less defenders will be around. Mottau is obvious, but the diminished role (maybe 7/8) means that Eaton could price himself out of their budget. Remember that they have Wishart, Reese, Donovan, Katic and deHaan possibly all available for that role.
So >$1.6M for a guy who might play <20G us a tough sell. You can disappear a guy like Staios if he’ll take the two way.
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@JPinVA
Don't tell me how much I agree with you, I think I agree with you more than you think I do.
So no more fighting in the war room.
reply fail
We wouldn’t have this problem if you’d stop PULLING MY HAIR!!!!
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I really loved this ending.
Tried hard to compound the punchline, but couldn’t do it justice. (Only commenting now because JP reply fail’d it.)
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If you figure that Rolston won't be here next year
That frees up quite a bit of loot for extending PA and Frans
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
My assumption...
We are at about $51M budget wise. Let’s say that Wang agrees to $55M. Here are some things to consider…
The CAP GAPS. Tavares goes to a hard $5M next year. That’s around a $2M raise from his budget hit.
DP’s budget hit is a question mark, but most likely will be $4.5M of dead money, needing them to spend around $4M on two goaltenders, plus Poulin. This year Montoya and Nabby are costing them less than $1.2M… that is going to change.
A top 4 D, should they land one will be another $5M+ budget hit.
There are so many considerations… it’s just not as black and white as X-Rolston = Parentau + Nielsen.
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Forwards, Defensemen, Goalies
This is not a full break-down, but here it is in real salary, rather than cap/floor terms:
Forwards:
Between Tavares, Moulson, Grabner, Okposo, and Bailey, salary (not cap space) goes up $6 million.
Need to replace Rolston ($5 mil), Pandolfo (0.6M), PAP (1.25M), Nielsen (0.5M), Wallace (0.7M). So re-signing PAP and Nielsen would likely result in a cumulative raise of about $6 million. ($6 mil for raises, minus $5 mil Rolston, plus $5 mil for Nielsen/PAP.)
Defensemen:
Streit, AMac, and Hamonic’s salaries all stay the same, basically. Everyone else is a UFA (including Jurcina and Reese, who I think Isles will look to re-sign) aside from Katic (RFA). Eaton’s $3M comes off the books— that can be used to sign Jurcina/Reese. But adding a good UFA defenseman would add salary. (So it would stay roughly the same as this season if Isles were to go with Streit, Hamonic, AMac, Jurcina, Reese, Katic, and prospects/fillers (like another Staios). This is the area I think Isles could use a quality UFA, which would probably bump salary $4-$6 million for next season.
Goalies:
This year and next is $4.5M for Rick. Nabby is likely gone. Poulin will likely take his spot for virtually the same money as Nabby was making. Montoya would probably be around $2.5M, I’m guessing. So going with Montoya and Poulin (and Rick) will raise real salaries about $2M.
-=-=—=—=
This is one scenario— the one I consider the most likely, except that Isles could land a notable/somewhat expensive UFA. But even without that, it looks like real salaries will raise about $8M next season. Will Wang want to spend more than that?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
We may need to reassess and assumption we have been making since last season.
Nabby is likely gone
I’m not saying you are wrong, but we’ve assumed it for so long, we think this must be true. Do you consider a Nabokov/Poulin tandem for the next couple of seasons? I know we like Montoya, but injuries have me worried and he’ll need a strong stretch to end the season in order to prove what he can do.
If Nabby has 80 games left in him (50 and then 30)...
…he may be a good stop-gap for Poulin the next couple seasons. I suppose we all assumed Montoya wants to be here more than Nabokov.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'd have to think
that we’d be close to Nabby’s last choice once he hits free agency. If he has no other suitors, then he probably hasn’t played very well to finish the season, and if he hasn’t played very well, then I doubt we’d want him back either. I’m not sure I can envision a scenario where he’s an Islander next year.
How 'bout if he brings us a Cup?
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
would it be wrong for me to assume that the feeling here is that we consider keeping nabby?...
it’s great that he’s been playing well, but whether or not he’s traded by the deadline, he won’t come back even if garth offers him a contract. he’ll not only want too much, but he’s gonna want to play for an already established playoff contender.
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PA would fetch more...
I think he’s the most likely of the 2 to go. Top 6 guy, scores berries and apples…I wouldn’t be surprised if he fetched a decent prospect ie much much better than wishart or a first rounder potentially. since it would be a playoff team in the deal, mid to low1 st rounder but I’d take it. Another asset to use later. I can’t see getting fair value for Frans
I know it's popular to bash ESPN
But I think those two writers — Custance is new there, was in Atlanta and with the Sporting News before — have always been good. You know LeBrun from several other print/broadcast outlets.
I’m not saying that just because they praised the Islanders here, but because they’re usually fair and treat cases with analysis rather than rehash of old punchlines.
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I still choose to call fraud, because I have an irrational fear of praise.
You just know they are up to something, just praising us now so that can “objectively” slam us to pieces later. Okay, I may be paranoid, but the NHL is out to get me.
It's not paranoia
If the people out to get you really do have no idea what they’re doing.
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Three questions
1) Next season, can we bring the players’ dads/mentors in for November so Isles can start avoid a drought?
2) The two hottest lines for the Isles the past two seasons both included which Islander forward? (Hint: Not Tavares.)
3) There are three European players in the NHL with 15+ PPP and double-digit positive +/-. The other one is Canadian. Without looking it up, name all four.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions
Ummmmmmm
1. Good idea. I’ll take it up wiht the Board.
2. That would be KO, ldo.
Henrik Sedin
Daniel Sedin
THE ONE, THE ONLY, MATTY MOULSON
and Prolly Evgeni Malkin, before he fell to +9 last night.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 20, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
OH, and I cheated, obv
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 20, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Cheated? You got one wrong
The last one is a different Russian.
But yeah, Moulson is the only North American this season with 15+ PPP and +10 or better right now.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Further Questions:
#Will March Michael Grabner be the new March Blake Comeau?
#Dare we hope that Staios/Eaton just be the rotating healthy scratches and Reese gets a steadier spot on the roster?
#Will lots of minutes with JT finally get Okposo over the 20-goal line?
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
If...
by March Blake Comeau, you mean Half a Season Grabner, I’ll sign up for that.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Grabs still has 14 goals, which isn't too bad.
And yes I count empty netters, if you can’t play defensively you can’t be out there to put it in the empty net either.
Last night I felt all of his breakaways served to soften up the Bob for Bailey. Even without putting them in, the opportunities he creates must scare the crap out of opposing coaches. They then matchup their most mobiel defenders against Grabs and allow Bailey the chance to outrace the second pairing. All part of the butterly effect.
Thought so too
A lot of attempts low (where Bob is strong anyway), now comes Bailey in high.
And for any who forgot, remember Bob robbed Grabner high backhand in the last game.
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You can see Grabs' wheels turning
The breakaway last night, he tried to tuck the puck back through the five hole after having made the same move and going high glove in the prior game. He’s not just flinging the puck on net at random. I appreciate that. And that move for a lefty shot, backhand and back to the five hole, is tough for a goalie if he opens up right-to-left, because of the natural instinct to keep one’s balance… the glove goes out, and the stick trails behind instead of staying between the pads. It is very hard to remember to bring the stick across with you when you open up your stance like that.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
JT faired as well as Grabs on the breakaway too
Sometimes the defense allows more breakaways because they trust their goaltender a little bit too much on them too. Bob did one hell of a job, but the Philly D went tot he well once too often.
Agreed. March Blake comeau didn’t start scoring or generating as much as grabner right now.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...
by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 3:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
March Blake Comeau
Which I think was one of mine from last year (“MBC must see hockey”) does lend itself to Michael “next year” Grabner. As NHL seasons are run over two years, and Mike usually starts the secondary thrusters in January of the second year… this could be his new nickname… for me, anyway.
But there is something deeper to the value of Grabner. MARCH had some added value as well, but not nearly as much as NEXT YEAR.
1. Grabner does his best work defensively. He doesn’t fly down the wing, then catch his breath in the o-zone. He back checks… and as teh fastest guy on the ice, he often breaks up potential plays or odd man rushes in the nuetral zone. That is most evident when playing with Frans… that slacker.
2. He is an A LEVEL PKer. There isn’t much mystery to why the PK is so good. They pretty much take the points out of the puck distribution business. Grabner adds to the paranoia in that most D won’t pass teh puck through the box in fear that anything intercepted will be floated behind them… and even if they have two strides on Grabs, that advantage will disappear in three strides.
3. He creates offense without an advantage. This is why I like Nielsen and Grabner together on the THIRD line. They create a vortex in the nuetral zone. Nielsen makes himself bigger than any other NHL forward and becomes a turnover factory… and the grabner is at the end of the assembly line putting finishing touches on scoring chances. When luck rolls to his side again he will be on a 40 goal pace for the second half.
4. HE’S YOUNG! Still in the 25U25 group. A product of the 2006 draft class (see Kyle Okposo). The long term bonds that are forged these past three years (Moulson-Tavares-Okposo, Grabner-Nielsen, and hopefully Bailey-Ullstrom) will be strengthened as other prospects (Nino, Strome, Nelson) emerge.
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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This is why Grabner was a good signing regardless of goal production.
His speed alone creates opportunties that otherwise do not exist. He isn’t wasting anything that did not exist before he got there. He can score, but he puts a whole new dimension on defense as well. The goals last year were a luxury, if he pots 24 he is still a tremendous asset.
by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The back checking alone...
gets me excited. It doesn’t put asses in seats, but winning does… I think this needs to become one of our standard speaking points, because it is greatly under emphasized in the MSM.
…and that is what we’re all about. Bringing the REAL to the surface.
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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isles have some of the best back-checkers in the league
Grabner, Tavares, Okposo, Nielsen. How many other teams have 4 good back-checkers in their top-6? Bailey and Parenteau are pretty good at it too.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
So true, all of this Grabner talk
He really is quite valuable for a variety of reasons.
Remember speedsters from the old days who only used it to chase breakaways, and never saw the eyes of their own goalie? That’s not Grabner.
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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Grabner=JPP
Okay… so you’re not a football fan… but I’m about to switch to Big Blue Mode for a minute or two.
When people talk about elite football players they are usually talking about their front page work, and for defensive players, that’s “plus production” like sacks, tackles, forced fumbles, interceptions…etc. But when you come across an ELITE player such as an LT it’s this kind of stuff that impresses me. Jason Pierre-Paul rushes the QB spot with a full respect for his gap responsibilities… he does it with strength, speed and passion… and until the ball is out, he is on it… and then when it is out (where most DL catch their breath) he is GONE… chasing it down. Watch a completed pass against the giants when they untangle the scrum… JPP is in it more times than not. Very rarely do people even notice it, they just see bodies… but in one frame you see him just missing the QB and 10 seconds later he’s getting up 5 yards downfield having put back pressure on a reciever so he has no where to go.
That is what Grabner does. JT does it when he’s not out for a 90 second possession shift, and there are some other players who do it as much as they can.
think about that next time you ask for a REAL NHL COACH. (not you reply, but you know what I mean).
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Nice.
I remember a few players like that from back when I watched football.
Funny: I just learned who JPP was tonight when Keith mentioned him in the game thread. My disentangling from other sports has kept pace with my volume of LHH attention, it seems.
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I was just digging around here to find this...
Odd!
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Agree
Grabner’s other talents make up for whatever scoring slumps he goes through. It’s very comforting knowing he’s out there on the PK and he adds a dimension to the Islanders defense that most teams don’t have.
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great analysis
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A plus on that
or was it amen. Grabner is still very young and scoring is something that once it gets going, it goes on for a while as we saw last year. Where the scoring did not seem to stop once it started.

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