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Analysis: Islanders 4, Flyers 1; Philly streak over, dads welcome anytime

After cheering their sons on to two consecutive road victories in difficult terrain, surely the Islanders dads are welcome to stick around awhile.

And after the celebration and relief from tonight's big 4-1 streak-ender over the Flyers subsides, one lasting reality is that the Islanders are consistently playing good hockey for the first time in quite a while.

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The other reality: This thin-margin team's run (which is still just 9-7 over the last month) has depended on relentlessly focused efforts and the booster shot of luck that keeps any good NHL times rolling. The PK has been outstanding (33 of the last 35) but that will ebb and flow. The powerplay has also been productive and will likewise ebb and flow.

The first line led by John Tavares (who is *not* in ESPN's top 25 under 25, remember) has been otherworldly and that will also -- wait, who knows where that's headed as Tavares continues his break out and turns his point streak up to 11? Still, these things will all ebb and flow, but for a team that -- to these eyes -- has shown up for Jack Capuano most nights despite a persistent 13th- to 15th-place conference standing, it's nice to see things go their way. Deserved, even.

Star-divide

In the low moments it's often debated, and I myself am not sure, if Capuano is the long-term coach for a contending team (in part because people on the outside simply can't have all the data on such questions; in part because even excellent coaches are fired because there are ambiguous interpersonal variables that intervene. The reasons cited are usually as subjective to the third-party as, "That guy doesn't want it enough.").

But Capuano's team has shown up for duty much more than a lot of bottom-five teams I can recall watching. (Sadly, I've watched a lot.) That includes tonight. With Tavares and his wingers driving the offense and the rest of the team doing the simple things, the little things that undermanned teams must do to have a chance were abundant, as they have been most nights recently.

It's said the hardest thing for a coach/GM to do is convince his players they played poorly after a win, or well after a loss. Surely a companion challenge is convincing a team, "You, you're not collectively good enough to win any other way."

Of late: Shot-blocking, smart dumps, simple chips, patient defense, adequate goaltending -- these are the things that give an unimpressive roster a chance on any given night in the parity-happy NHL. People who know the NHL much better than I sometimes claim each season features a post-holiday lull which explains why some better teams "haven't shown up" against the Isles recently. For example, the Flyers were "Listless. Disjointed. Generous." according to Flyers blog Broad Street Hockey. But clearly the Isles have been doing their part to put teams in the giving mood. It's long overdue and frustrating that November sunk them into a hole, but who can fault them for not giving up now?

More notes on how all this applied tonight after the highlights.

Game Highlights

Game Notes

Protecting the lead: With the exception of the top line, the Islanders by no means protected the lead by keeping the puck in the Flyers zone. They were in prevent mode, for sure. But they did 1) Capitalize on the powerplay to make it 3-0, 2) Sent soft non-icing dumps to get changes while accepting icings that beat the alternative, and 3) Were patient around their own net, such as when Wayne Simmonds had the puck for seconds behind the Isles goal and the Isles left him with no option but to bank a pass out to the point. A more frantic team would have chased him there, but this was a team playing with a two-goal lead and house money.

Good Start: The first period ended 0-0, but it wasn't for a lack of effort. I actually though the Islanders might have wasted their best chances, as they outshot the Flyers 12-8 in the first and had the better of play. Instead of suffering a Flyers counterpunch, they got the first strike on another sublime John Tavares pass just 28 seconds into the second period. Kyle Okposo was key driving the net (and drawing the defense), while Matt Moulson finished like not just any winger would. Tavares is absolutely wonderful, but Moulson is a finisher, plain and simple.

Opportune PK: Well there was another Michael Grabner breakaway -- one of his slowest in memory, after Brayden Schenn discovered who Grabner is the hard way. But Sergei Bobrovsky made the save and looked like he would steal another from the isles. But then Josh Bailey pulled off a Frans Nielsen-like backhand shorthanded, and for the first time it looked like finally this could be the night.

Fortunate PP: The Flyers PK was quite aggressive and quite good. Like the Isles PK, they made it seem at times that there was no advantage. Not so in the pivotal moment of the third period, though, when Mark Streit hammered one home on a 4-on-3 not from the point but from the left faceoff circle. It's been observed even before the PP goals started going in: The key to the Islanders' better powerplay has been the rotation and multiple looks they're showing (also: Brian Rolston bumped). They're not static, they're moving. And with the hands they have on that unit, it's paying off. Tonight Tavares won the initial faceoff against Maxime Talbot, then he and Streit soon swapped places on the 4-on-3 umbrella and Streit's one-timer found net.

JT Has Jazz Hands: The PK on which Bailey got his goal came after a long first-line shift almost paid off with a mesmerizing Tavares deke that Bobrovsky kept from crossing the line. The first line would've changed if not for that emerging scoring chance, and when it didn't go in they were all running on fumes, which is what led to Dylan Reese's penalty.

Okposo Defends Tavares: It's been fun to watch the evolution of how the opposition treats Tavares. Back before he was a good NHL player -- back when Moulson scored without his help more often than people realize -- other NHLers (including Chris Pronger) took cheap shots at Tavares whenever they could, trying to suppress the talent before it erupted. Lately, with him on a tear, you'd think players would take run after run at him. But they haven't, and instead what's happened is a greater degree of respect and space afforded. They still facewash him and chuck him in scrambles, but one-on-one opponents are ... respectful. As if rather than thinking of "teaching the rookie a lesson," they're now more worried about, "Don't get burned by the budding star." Tonight, Okposo stepped in when young Brayden Schenn tried [video] to take a piece of his elder. (Also fun: The moment when the officials say, "Take both of them.") Good to see. As karma would have it, the Islanders would score on the powerplay shortly thereafter, with Kimmo Timonen in the box.

Getting through the Second: Although it's when they took the 2-0 lead, they were also outshot 17-9 in the second thanks to three Flyers powerplays. As important as grabbing the lead was getting out of that period with the 2-0 lead intact.

Short Nino: I know a lot of people have noticed Nino Niederreiter making progress, and that's followed by calls for a line promotion. I think it's coming, but baby steps. Baby steps. Tonight he logged only 6:53 and his fourth-line mates Jay Pandolfo and Tim Wallace logged even less (at even strength; Pandolfo had a minute of PK time too). Special teams in part fed this, though Nino again showed positive signs in limited action. It's coming.

Reese Takes Out Giroux: Not in the dirty "strike, smirk and turtle" way practiced by one Maxime, mind you. On a long stretch in the Islanders zone, Claude Giroux and Dylan Reese worked each over like it was 1999 in the NHL. Slash led to slash. Shove upon crosscheck led to punch upon whine. Frustrated, both finally dropped their gloves, old school style (see, Maxime? When a non-enforcer upsets you, you really can cash your own checks!). The result benefited the Islanders though, as anyone would happily trade five minutes without one for five minutes without the other.

Nabokov Holds the Fort: Bobrovsky was excellent in helping the Flyers survive the first, but in any hockey game it can go the other way in the blink of an eye. The Islanders don't end this monumental streak in Philly without Evgeni Nabokov doing his part early in the game and while the Isles were sitting on the lead. He held the fort until they had room to breathe, and the only goal against him was a nice redirection. With 40 saves overall, his name is a big part of this win.

Parenteau the Generous: To close things out, P.A. Parenteau nicely fed Michael Grabner on a 2-on-1 with the empty net and just seconds left. Rumor has it Mike Babcock immediately filed a complaint. The assist was Parenteau's 32nd of the season, tying him with Giroux for fourth-most in the NHL. I didn't see what happened afterward, but true to form the feisty PAPpy received an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty afterward. I figure Babcock phoned in.

Butchism: How about Jaromir "Jogger"?

* * *

All in all, is it weak to have such celebrations after one win in 14 tries in a city? Probably, but this is another necessary step as the franchise slowly tries to turn things around. If the Islanders are building anything for the long haul, then this was another wall to knock down.

What's funny is for every "lowly" Islanders headline, there is another nagging remark that the Isles are accumulating the young talent necessary to compete in this league. Teams who dominate know it won't always be so. Fans who watch through thick and thin know that -- as with Bailey's shorty tonight -- the offense won't always go solely through Tavares.

That said, the original statement stands: This was nice and necessary, but it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing -- er, it's nothing if they act like getting their 18th win in their 45th game is something to be all proud of. To paraphrase The Wolf (as translated to hockey by mikb): Fine job, gentlemen. But let's not start taping each other's hockey sticks quite yet. Carolina beckons on Saturday.

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That said

He’s hardly in the top 25 under 25…

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

He's gotta work on his CPI

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I commented on Twitter that there are only 9 players in the NHL with more points then JT, yet ESPN found 25 players under 25 better then him, and it’s been retweeted pretty heavily tonight.

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by Mark D on Jan 20, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Be careful

Neil Greenberg may come back with some detailed stats on why you suck.

by brother_rat on Jan 20, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Clutch Authorship Index

says I’ve been slacking

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by Mark D on Jan 20, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Fail for Neil

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

there are only 9 players in the NHL with more points then JT, yet ESPN found 25 players under 25 better then him

Its just so ridiculous… and a great example of A- how disrespected the Isles are and B- how dumb ESPN really is.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Stamkos, Kessel, Giroux, and Toews are the only players under-25 with more points than JT.

(Malkin turned 25 in June.) Top-25 in scoring includes:

Malkin (54 pts, 25 years old)
Stamkos (51, 21)
Kessel (50, 24)
Giroux (50, 24)
Toews (48, 23)
Tavares (46, 21)
Karlsson (45, 21) DEFENSEMAN
Eberle (43, 21)
Kopitar (43, 24)
Backstrom (42, 24)
Benn (42, 22)
Seguin (40, 19)

And at this rate, Tavares will leave a few of these guys in the dust over the next three months.

Four of these guys graduate the under-25 list for next season. I could easily see Tavares go from not-rated to a top-5 spot next season on the list.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I looked this morning

and as a matter of fact, there is only one player younger amongst the top (whatever they show on Yahoo…30-35 maybe?).

Kid’s good.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 20, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

So....

…. “You only won because you have the personnel in place for winning!” ???

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 20, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

wow, didnt think this would get so in depth.....

basically stating Tavares will garner most of the praise when we become competitive and we’d likely be discounted as anything without him. Take it for what it is. This isnt a personal evaluation, just a prediction of what isles fans will most likely hear from outsiders.

by LaFontaine16 on Jan 20, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh i wasn't getting in depth at all. :-)

I’m liking the idea that people will be complaining that we’re getting good. :-D

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Flyers lose to Rick DiPietros 15 year contract...

They play in this leaking dump and the fans won’t even vote for a new arena. In other news Sid Crosby was spotted buying a new Pair of pink panties for himself at Victorias Secret

by Scoobahgee on Jan 20, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Headlines

Lowly Islanders Pull off Fluke Win in Philly
just a guess at what is going to be printed in the coming hours

by BPlaia on Jan 20, 2012 1:10 AM EST reply actions  

Flyers Forfeit Game for Charity

John Tavares and 22 other less fortunate players can smile for a night.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

breaking news: sid sees ice for first time in his daqueri

Also, flyers fail to win game against some opponent from New York who aren’t the rangers, your winter classic winners this season.

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Flyers lose

Leon Steckel Blamed Yet Again

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Flyers score one in game against NY Afterthoughts

[PHILIDELPHA] In a beautiful redirection, Flyers stand out rookie forward Matt Read scored one in the third period of a…

by GreekIsles83 on Jan 20, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

SID EATS ICE CREAM!!

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Needermeiser

At first I thought that was just a Butchism, but after watching the Flyers feed tonight I think I’ve heard it from 3 different commentators.

by bjay on Jan 20, 2012 1:20 AM EST reply actions  

Ha, thanks for the tip

I saw the Flyers feed but didn’t pick up on that. I’ve apparently evolved a Keith Jones filter. Vonnegut predicted this.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

i actually didn't hate keith jones last night

he said some very complimentary things about JT. ie “he’s scary good” and “there isn’t a better player in the nhl right now”. i thought he was unusually fair and optimistic with the isles tonight. how could you not i guess…

by DirtyIsle on Jan 20, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait till he's on the network f/k/a Versus

He’ll change his tune to pander to the national audience.

by Dorfer on Jan 20, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually randomly met Jones in a coffee shop in Stamford, CT

He’s a good guy. His colleague Philly announcers though are complete D-bags. Pardon my abbreviated french.

by JPinNYC on Jan 20, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree that the Flyer announcers were not too bad

Even my wife said aren’t they usually the biggest homers on earth, I told her right state, wrong team. I expect a little bit of hime town bias, but they were reasonalble and I didn’t have to mute the TV or scream BS even once.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Jones is hit and miss for me

But he should pander to Philly on the local games and to the national audience on the Vs. games. It’s just sometimes the homerism is a little too much.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

#IslesStats: The #Isles are the first team in the East with three 40-point scorers. More in The Skinny. nyisl.es/8A1T7

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by Mark D on Jan 20, 2012 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

I think we had the same thing last year

But it was goal scorers not point scorers. Either we were the first to have 3 20 goal scorers or the only team to have 3 playersi n the top 30 in scoring at one point

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by Zhora on Jan 20, 2012 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Too bad only one of them is a real first-liner.

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by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Still amazed on how JT managed to feed both of his wingers with a single pass on that first goal

He’s the Dos Equis man of hockey

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 1:52 AM EST reply actions  

So he's an engineer

He likes built-in redundancy.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

He's the egg mcmuffin

of passers

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by Homey Chives on Jan 20, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I like that

and I guess we now have two opposite ends of the spectrum.

The opposite of Egg McMuffin is…AVERY

by martylnd on Jan 20, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

2 Good Road Wins!!

Against 2 strong teams, this team is in a false position. We look strong, confident, domineering even at times. Lets hope for the rest of the season we can push ourselves up the standings into a position we should be for the talent we’ve got.

3 Teams 3 Different Sports Same Torture!!!

by Kung Fu Panda 48 on Jan 20, 2012 2:48 AM EST reply actions  

Between the last few road wins and the Buffalo win at home

I think this team better stick with the white sweaters for the long haul

by CostiganR on Jan 20, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

50 points to go

50 points would give them 92 points in total. With 37 games to play, that means the Isles have a budget of around 10 losses to play with for the remainder of the season.

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 2:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

What we need is a nice 7 out of 8 streak

Starting with 5 if the next 6 points before the break. All this talk about how many losses, etc., fascinates my actuarial side but my sports side hates it. We just need a nice winning streak that gets us within 5 points of a playoff spot. And that can happen.
Then, we have the interesting March we’ve all been dying for around here. Maybe in the end we run out if time and there’s too thin a margin of error, but man, would we have fun watching. I can almost taste it. But we need Flyers intensity against Carolina.

by BobSulli on Jan 20, 2012 3:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

playoffs

What would it take? Could we get a miracle second half and enjoy the nhl playoffs this year? I’m getting bored of spending my post seasons drunk and unexcited. I want to watch with a purpose haha

by asantono on Jan 20, 2012 4:27 AM EST reply actions  

Always enjoy Pope Dominick's

Splashes of cold holy water, as he tries to dampen our enthusiasm. But these eyes right now are watching a very good team that is on the verge of getting very hot. Having a solid, often spectacular guy guarding the net, in place of the big contract accident waiting to happen, while Montoya is on the mend certainly helps, but Tavares is clearly becoming one of the top players in the league. The shifts are becoming ever more rare when he is not the top player in the rink. They do need more scoring from other sources. Grabner’s stats right now are just a shade below where they were last year at his time, which is when he caught fire. With O now on the top line and Papineau dropped down in his place, we have to hope that FNGP is as good as last year’s second half FNGO.

But the real question that remains: Is 37 games enough for the team to make up the difference? Because if they do get in, look out.

by kennyboy13 on Jan 20, 2012 6:07 AM EST reply actions  

Papineau

…?

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by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

HA, that keeps happening!

Too funny.

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by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Mapletoft

This is my signature, not that you particularly care.

by Homey Chives on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he meant Weinhandl.

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by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Memories, memories.

I thought Weinhandl was going to be a real good player for Isles.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Wine handles are rarely good for anyone

Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.

by ilopan on Jan 20, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I thought

those were love handles

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by JW1970 on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Devils prefer

jug handles

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 20, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Kenny, be honest

Is your name really ButchieBoy13?

Still waiting for a GOZO

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ButchieBoy13 is my father.

I am ButchieBoy13.1. I meant to say Pappin, er Parent, er well, you know.

by kennyboy13 on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL
Pope Dominick’s splashes of cold holy water, as he tries to dampen our enthusiasm.

Ahhh haha, nicely said.

You know sometimes I’m really just trying to dampen my own. I’m not proud of the number of fist-pumps I did last night for a 42-point team.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

As far as Cappy goes

I think the jury is still out. On one hand, yes ,I’d like to see the Islanders get a proven coach (could’ve taken that opportunity a month ago with all the firings), someone who has not only won on the NHL level, but knows how to handle a young team. On the other, you can’t keep replacing a coach every couple of years(as the Islanders have done), introducing new systems along with that and expect the team to win. There has to be some consistency/stability from within the organization. Unless Cappy falls flat on his face and the team takes a massive nose dive, I’d like to see him at least thru next year.

Isles rule, rangers suck... that's just how it is.

by Timtropolis on Jan 20, 2012 7:22 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

good points

Isles rule, rangers suck... that's just how it is.

by Timtropolis on Jan 20, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Any shortfalls this year

Are entirely on Garth Snow and his inability to acquire quality D-men. Capuano is not the problem.

by JPinNYC on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I partly agree with this

(If it’s possible to partly agree with “entirely”.)

The problem was perhaps moreso the previous summer, locking the team to Eaton and Mottau for multi-seasons. Still, He tried to get Ehrhoff, even offered him well over a fair amount of money. (And that is a good indication, at least, that Snow/Wang are capable/willing to go after a good defenseman this summer.) Ehrhoff just didn’t want any part with the Isles.

BTW, one goal I set for Isles this season was finishing better in standings than Buffalo. That way, Isles gained a (slightly) higher draft pick by trading away the Isles’ pick and then acquiring Buffalo’s.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Can I fully agree with your partial agreeent?

I’ll maybe give a waiver (no pun intended) on the Mottau move since it was right after Streit’s catastrophic injury. And of course Eaton-Jurcina was only after striking out on the bigger free agent fish.

But I think the blueline issue is one that goes back a few years, to overvaluing what they had and then scrambling to make up the shortfall. If you go back before Hamonic and A-Mac’s emergence (and hell, letting FMIV go while adding questionable parts), then I think they’ve chronically overestimated their blueline.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

the nice thing about erhoff is...

that he ended up underachieving most of this season before he got hurt. as much as i would have liked having him w the isles, garth offered him a fair contract and he said no. whatever. take that money and spend it on someone else who’s better than erhoff.

i think we were all hopeful on rolston and reasoner. rolston ended up fulfilling the role of mule and reasoner still has another year on his contract to prove himself again.

as for D, most of the hope is coming from bridgeport, but it still doesn’t hurt to sign some more experienced blood come july. its nice to build from the farm and groom em for top 4 solidarity. however, what other money could snow throw on bad defensemen out there? i still would have liked to see jack hillen back, seeing that he is still a better option than eaton or mottau. but in eaton’s case, he’s a 3rd pair dman who fits the role.

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by gukid17 on Jan 20, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

also...

garth is gonna have a nice, cushy cap to play with in july. it’s going to be quite interesting to see how he manages it.

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by gukid17 on Jan 20, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Zuzu's Petals
Except for Mottau, everytime an Islander defender makes a good play, a Snow Angel gets its wings.

Rec’d!
Over the last month I’ve blasted Snow for that BS interview… but I have always given him credit for trying to address the team’s core issues. You can’t fix everything at one time, and if you fix what you can with the opportunities that present themselves the best you can, you are doing a good job.

I need to change my signature now.

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA

by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It's THE RAKH...

What is so unbelievable about the leading scorer on the AHL affiliate getting an NHL opportunity.

Hey, look what’s up on the Bridgeport website… maybe I’m not so crazy afterall.

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be a cool line name
Rakh U.

Especially if we draft Anton Weewill in the 4th round next year.

(Doesn’t really exist)

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 20, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

JP is citing PR for his case?

What the hell is going on around here?!

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Still Reveling in beating the Flyers

or should I say drooling.

One tidbit note: on the 4 – 3 Talbot was actually kicked out of the circle when he broke his stick. It was a defensemen who took the draw and promptly lost the puck to JT. One could say, meant to be.

Butchieism of the Night for me:

Butch: Turgeron……
Howie: did you just say Turgeron.
Butch: My french was never that good.

Someone mentioned it the other day, but I love this guy too, between Howie and Butchie I can sit there and laugh at the stuff they say.

Nino, I have been meaning to write up a piece on why I think what the Islanders are doing with him is the right way at the moment. I will get to that maybe this weekend.

by ghalbart on Jan 20, 2012 7:32 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

I miss Jaffe for his genuine insights

but the dynamic between Butch and Howie is pretty great and always good for a laugh.

Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.

by ilopan on Jan 20, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Howie

just likes talking with old players like Butch. Hearing about all the Islanders and NHLers of the past. Its kind of laid back and fun to hear.

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by PGI on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me tell you, boy oh boy, the Islanders are a hockey team.

They’re a team of hockey players, Howie. See that guy? John Tavares? Plays hockey.

by Les Beaver on Jan 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

To think Butch has been a coach, GM, broadcaster and nearly a HOF playing career

and yet his basic failure to grasp the English language makes him come across as just some lovable cartoon character. I mean, the guy has to know the game, considering the positions he has held at almost every level of hockey.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

He was an athlete and he knows the game of hockey...

But that doesnt mean he’s astute…He obviously didn’t succeed at coaching…He isnt a good analyst and he’s not good at calling games…But thats ok…Not everyone is good at everything…I’m a fan of the guy and Im not bashing him…Just being honest

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I know youre just calling em as you see em… but to say he didnt succeed at coaching is not really fair. He actually was a successful coach- til he got to the NHL and was given what was arguably the worst, cheapest team the Isles ever had.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He won IHL championships with the Grizzlies in two separate cities

First in Denver, then in Salt Lake after the Avs moved to Denver.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 22, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Nino made a sick move to the net

He created a nice opportunity, maybe he saw Couturier and decided, I’m as good as that kid and he is putting up significant numbers. He had limited ice time tonight, but hard to fault the coach when the team wins.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

yes he did.

Nino is going to be good

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to say, Butchie has gone from senility to funny.

Maybe’s he’s loosened up a bit, but I enjoy him now. He reminds me a little of Phil Rizzuto in the Yankees booth. Knows what’s going on, is rather funny, but he’s gonna throw some weird shit out there now and then.

by Les Beaver on Jan 20, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Butchie is less senile and more funny...

…when the Isles are winning games.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Butchie's not senile by any means

It’s more a case of his brain working too fast for his vocabulary to keep up. In all seriousness, he’s probably ADD. All things considered he does a good job. I’ve never heard him sound unprepared. In a case like that, malaprops tend to add rather than detract.

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is exactly what it is.

So the guy does not have fluidity of speech- OK, theres that. I really like Butch and have no problem with him. I dont particularly care that he isnt slick like a used car salesman. Butchie loves this team and knews what he is talking about, even if he cant always get the words out. Also- maybe people dont think about the fact that he is talking off the cuff… its not as easy as one might think!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody said it was easy and thats why not everyone can do it. Its a profession and Butch isn't very professional, IMHO.

He doesnt have to talk like a sales man but it would be nice if he educated the fans like Jaffe did…Rarely does Butchy break down plays to show fans whats going on on the ice…Jaffe made me a smarter hockey fan…Butchy makes me stupider, lol…j/k

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

So basically,

Butch does his job about as well as his old teammate Chico Resch.

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by PGI on Jan 21, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't like him ever since last year...

Remember that game where the zebras basically handed it to the Devils on a silver platter? They gave Nielsen a phantom 10 minute misconduct and a 2 minute minor? Basically giving the Devils the chance to tie it up and then win in OT? The isles and Devils were neck & neck in the standings. Chico said during intermission that the Devils NEED this win to make that playoff push and that the Isles WANT this win for other reasons…Meanwhile, the Devils were only a point or so a head of the Isles…He basically he discredited the Isles like they had no right to a playoff push…That comment pissed me off…This is why the refs screwed us…The NHL wanted the Devils to make a run but not the lowly Isles…

That was the game where Cappy complained in his post game press conference saying that the games shouldn’t be decided by the guys wearing stripes..BUt thats the NHL for ya…

by KO21 on Jan 21, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Anybody hear what Howie said to Butch in the post game?

Howie: What is older, Neiderreiter or that jacket?

Butchie: (laughs) Niederreiter , just by a hair.

Still waiting for a GOZO

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks
Talbot was actually kicked out of the circle when he broke his stick

Is that right? How about that. Thanks for the correction. On that play I actually remember the Philly feed went to an overhead view where I obviously did not realize that kicked him from the circle.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Howie and Butch broke it down in their post-game I think

Spoke of the irony of talbot’s involvement in it. It was some good analysis – and butch was involved!

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

He should have just used another guys stick

Sure its not his, but he is a better faceoff guy than some random Dman… and the dman would have had time to go get another stick for himself. Maybe they saw that as too risky thinking they would lose the faceoff?

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Consistanty 13th to 15th?

We’re #12 now!

No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring

by Anarcurt on Jan 20, 2012 7:49 AM EST reply actions  

11th if you care more about

points per game than what NHL’s standings say! We have two games to get one point and we surpass Buffalo.

Islanders 4 Winter Classic 2013

by Rybee824 on Jan 20, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Revenge is a dish better served cold

"After the Sabres acquired my rights and I spoke with Terry Pegula and (GM) Darcy Regier, I did my due diligence on the team and I was very impressed.
I called some former teammates and others in the NHL who also had great things to say and I was aware that (former Calgary Flames defenseman) Robyn Regehr had waived his no-trade clause in his contract this week to join the Sabres. My goal is to win the Stanley Cup, and after the offer I received from Buffalo, I believe this is the best place to make it happen."

:P

We will see how things will turn out in a couple of years.

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by Francesca on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

or....10 years.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

NICE!!!!

We need to have a list of Islander rejectors..
Smyth
The whole crew from the 2007 exodus
Last year’s defensive UFA pool

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA

by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't miss any of the players...

but I do miss the credibility that was starting to come back before the circus of 2006-07 that removed all shreds of credibility from the organization.
And here we are again at the crossroads… It is good that we haven’t heard “boo” from Wang in a while, and unless he does something incredibly stupid Snow should get the credibility level of the organization back to it’s highest since the Bill Torrey Era.

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA

by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Those rosters (Guerin, Satan, Comrie) etc.

never seemed like more than stop gaps. Guys that were coming out of their prime teamed with a bunch of fair to middlin’ players. There was never hope for a deep run. And the future didn’t seem too bright either.

by Les Beaver on Jan 20, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

These are the type of moves I hate.

They make you perennially mediocre. I want to compete for something, not two games of playoff revenue.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, exactly.

Best hope was to be a bit above average.

by Les Beaver on Jan 20, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I always missed JoeVa

Actually, now I really miss him.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Me, too. :(

I remember us talking about him here at random times and being happy that I wasxnt the only one who thought we let a quality guy who wanted to be here skate away for no good reason.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like a recurring theme...

Yashin was paid to go away and Comeau was given away for free…I also thought Meyer was worth keeping too…Come to think of it, what did we get for Biron?

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much- except the Isles gave him permission to negotiate before he walked.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The worst move was buying out Yashin...

it really made no sense..I bought then I drank the Kool aide and was on board with it…

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I didn't mind it

And needed no Kool-aid to wash it down. I was more impressed that they had the ball$ to do it.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

When it comes to looking back on that offseason, I understood the motivations behind the buyout – the Islanders clearly trying to move on from Yashin and heavily invest in Smyth. Well, that didn’t work out. Honestly, I don’t think Yashin would’ve helped the 2007 – 2008 Islanders much anyhow, they still would’ve been spectacularly terrible.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The motivation was to appease to Smyths vanity.

Looking back it really made no sense to pay this guy not to play…Why not use him as a 3rd liner like Oldston?

by KO21 on Jan 21, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

There would be less need for cap mules or stop gaps...

Yashin could’ve filled a roll…Now hes a cap hit and there is no player to show for it…We have too much wasted cap space. Like I said, back then, I was for it…It made sense because we thought that Ted Nolan and Garth were creating a new culture…But looking back, it really didn’t make sense…Even if it did appease Smyth’s vanity and he signed here…What does that say about Smyth? Thats not a team player, IMHO…From what I know about him. He is a great team player so that strategy wasn’t gonna work anyway…He wasnt gonna sign here just because Yashin was bought out…In fact, maybe that made it less attractive to Smyth…I just think that buying out Yash is mismanagement of assets…It would’ve made more sense to buy him out once we had a team where there was no room left for him…But clearly we do…I would trade several of these cap mules for Yashin…But, ultimately, this was far from the worst move Isles management has made…Not sure that’s a good thing, lol…In other words its not the end of the word but I can’t see how this move improved the teams situation.

by KO21 on Jan 21, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yashin actually wouldn't be here any more

His cap hit via the buyout lives on right now because it doubles the years you have left.

His contract would’ve expired by now.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 22, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yup, it would have expired last game of last season.

And Yash was there at NVMC for the game, I even talked to him and Carol Alt.
What a moment for a visit, huh?

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 22, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yashin

carried more baggage than MacArthur airport at the time.* He had to go. Pretty good player, super nice guy, but he had to go in order for the Islanders to move on. Take a note, Rick,

  • - yes, I’ll use this line until I die.

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by PGI on Jan 21, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I mean, I liked some of those them.

I liked Guerin, and Satan was my favorite guy before Frans’ immaculate arrival, and I liked Vasicek too….was never a Hilbert fan, admittedly – though I did like Jon [back then he was Jonathan] Sim….but, I mean, from a long term perspective, I didn’t think any of those guys were going to lead this team to a cup…now I feel bad for disrespecting Vasicek…. :(

by Les Beaver on Jan 20, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I still contend without that knee injury in Game 2

Jon Sim … he was the right signing, that knee injury just set him back and stole practically two years from a body that didn’t have that kind of time.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Miro Satan

did good work for the Islanders. I enjoyed his time here.

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by PGI on Jan 21, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

mwah-mwah-mwaaaahhhhhhh

How do you say “mocking trombone” in German?

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If they finish ahead of Buffalo

Then the fourth-rounder they get back will be higher than the one they sent to Vancouver. In the fourth round those few spots won’t be a huge deal, but it’s kind of nice.

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

To ass to the sentiments at the end of this post...

Striet said to Peter Pan

“we cant get too happy”…

But as an Isles fan, its a wonderful morning!

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 8:06 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It feels good

my brain keeps annoyingly telling me that there is still a lot to fix on this team but for now its nice to revel in a chunk of consistently good play. Hopefully the chunks keep getting bigger and bigger.

Oh and Kyle showed last night exactly why he’s my favorite player. That fire battling for the puck and sticking up for his linemates is contagious!

by GreekIsles83 on Jan 20, 2012 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

Kyle showed last night exactly why he’s my favorite player. That fire battling for the puck and sticking up for his linemates is contagious!

this

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Its good for them

Last year they definitely learned to stand up for themselves, and did so without becoming goons(despite the common belief). Sure many still think of them as the “lowly Islanders”, but at least they know differently.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Jan 20, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

earlier in the season this wasn't the case...

they are coming together again…Too bad they wait until their backs are against the wall…

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't it considered a good omen...

…when the Isles stand up to Philly?

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

nervous

after Philly scored their only goal, we got into a kind of funky panic prevent mode. I didn’t like it.

by Katzenhammer on Jan 20, 2012 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

I noticed that.

It’s like Philly finally woke up and we were like, “ruh roh.”

by Les Beaver on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

But they still held on long enough to put it away

That is the huge difference and why keeping them off the board in the second like they did to the Caps is so important. You don’t want to give the other team any spark until it is too late for them to recover.

The Flyers did put on a full press, but I don’t think they could have sustained it for an entire period either. If the Islanders cough up one earlier, they don’t need nearly as much sustained pressure to catch up. That’s why the 60 minute efforts are so important. The weak goals you give up in the first two periods come back to haunt you in the third.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Very true. Glad they kept it together.

Played it simple: get sticks down, sweep it to the outside, get it out of the zone.

by Les Beaver on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

PAP taking the penalty to break the stick

A penalty like this isn’t taken if you don’t have confidence in your team to defend on the PK.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I was quite okay with that penalty.

Breaking the stick helped the Islanders prevent a scoring chance.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably the right call

but, boy do I hate that rule. I’m a fan of the old fashioned stick check. I guess if they allowed them in today’s game, the ice would be littered with graffite.

by 4PeatSake on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Used to be any shot to the stick below the hands was a stick check

It drives me crazy that it is a slash when it is stick on stick below the glove. Does that mean if I whack the blade of another player that is also a slash? Keep ther stick swinging below your own shoulder and below the opposing players stick should be legal.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I think it’s the stupid composite sticks. They break so often it’s like they had to invent a penalty for it.

by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It's one of those "it depends" things

To quote the relevant section of the rule (Rule 61):

61.1 … Any forceful or powerful chop with the stick on an opponent’s body, the opponent’s stick, or on or near the opponent’s hands that, in the judgment of the Referee, is not an attempt to play the puck, shall be penalized as slashing.

(My emphasis.) You don’t want a guy beaten on the play to just club indiscriminately at the puck carrier, hoping to get the stick instead of an arm. Neither can you just swat the stick out of an opponent’s hands. You also don’t want to ring up a guy who’s just jabbing at a stick to knock the puck off of it. The commish in our little rec league gave us a guideline: if you come over the top or bring your stick back beforehand, then you’re slashing, no matter what you hit. But there is always going to be a fuzzy border where one team is going to yell no matter what.

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree it was the right play

But if you think the PK is going to let you down, you hesitate and the opportunity to stop a real scoring chance is blown. Guys not hesitating and being comfortable in their roles and having confidence in their teammates does impact the game.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

great user name, by the way

Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.

by ilopan on Jan 20, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

me neither I hate the prevent mode...

They get all bunched up in front of the net and allow outside shots…But the goalie is screened and that’s how deflections happen and end up in the net…I don’t know why Cappy would change their game from what was working,

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Its collapse defense

It can be an effective strategy because it leads to a lot more blocked shots and tipped passes. Thankfully the Islanders did a good job of making those blocks with the pressure on. I think it was Eaton or AMac who went completely prone in the crease to block a back door play (beautiful effort!) But you are right about the problem of creating a forest of randomness in front of the goalie.

Where it really hurts is that while you keep the other team to the outside, you have to work harder to get the puck away from them. They keep it on the boards they can COZO all they want because you have to skate from the middle of the zone to the outside to come get it. And this leads to numerous chance after chance and why it looks like the Isles are on their heels. I myself don’t like when they collapse too much. I like a more aggressive “attack the puck carrier” style, even when trying to prevent.

BUT, while laying back in the 3rd gave the Flyers more opportunities, the Isles did win the game.

by GreekIsles83 on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I can appreciate that.

Maybe they should find a happy medium.

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Butchisms

After JT continued his point streak, the broadcast put up a graphic of the Islanders with 10+ game point streaks. Turgeon and Palffy have the longest with 13. Butch called him Pierre “Tugeron” and Howie commented on this, something about a Michel Turgeron or something that may or may not have played for the Isles…

by dunnowhat2type on Jan 20, 2012 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

Can we get a compilation of these Butchisms somewhere on the site?

I only get to watch half the games and seem to miss a lot of these. It would be great if we could get a quote board going. You could fill a pirate’s chest with his gems.

by brother_rat on Jan 20, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been calling for someone to compile a Butchlopedia

But who’s got the time to search every single game thread since he’s been here? lol

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

We started one over a year ago

http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2010/10/30/1783363/butch-ery-forays-into-sounding-it-out

But it fell off the map, the comments closed and almost isn’t searchable any more…I had to go into my personal cache of former fan posts…I couldn’t access it from the SBN search bar for some reason. Maybe it is only the stories in the year…or maybe I’m and idiot.

Enjoy

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 20, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

those are great

Butch’s picture shows him wearing # 21. Did he wear that in 1980 and switch to # 91 when Brent Sutter arrived? I think St. Laurent wore it prior to that????

by 4PeatSake on Jan 20, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Butch wore #19 in Los Angeles

Obviously, that was not an option on the Isles. I think they bumped him to 21 when he arrived, and then starting the next season, he requested 91 as it was the reverse of his preferred number.

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Butch was indeed 19. I care about theses things.

Just like Trottier wore 61 in an All-Star Game since it is an upside down 19.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid SBN search bar still isn't working

The results only return things from the past year or so. They’re working on it, but it’s very frustrating. Half the reason this stuff is here is to remember how dumb/brilliant we once were!

I end up using Google Search with a lot of precise terms.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

googling with site:lighthousehockey.com is probably the best bet. Just unfortunate because the user search was a nice feature on the search here.

by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

Breaking stuff up by comments/stories/fanposts and such. Really quite annoyed. It’s like my NHL95 battery went blank again.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

we need to build on that...

But we cant add any more comments…

by KO21 on Jan 20, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

After JT continued his point streak, the broadcast put up a graphic of the Islanders with 10+ game point streaks. Turgeon and Palffy have the longest with 13.

Thats just the 5 most recent streaks – they are defintiely not the longest (50 in 50 anyone?) :)

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

(50 in 50 anyone?)

Did Bossy actually record a point in all of those game? The 50 in 50 just refers to scoring 50 goals in 50 games (or less), but not having one in each.

by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

He could have had a hat trick or multi goal games, so he wouldn't actually need a goal a game.

Greztky scored 9 goals in the last 2 games he played to make it 50 goals in 39 games

by NHL fan on Jan 20, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

And I see Gretzky (of course) has the NHL record with points in 51 straight games.

Guess I’ll have to download the Isles media guide (again) and look. Should just save it at this point.

by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Crap!

Should have saved it because now even the very outdated 07-08 one isn’t available anymore.

How hard would it be to put this online? The other teams find a way. Should be mandated by the league.

by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

True- but Id think there was probably more than a 13g point streak in there.

Besides- my point was that the broadcast said the last 5, it did not say all time.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a Michel Bergeron

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/bergemi01.html

I think Howie’s comment was something along the lines of Butch combining the names Turgeon adn Bergeron to get Turgeron

by andrew430 on Jan 20, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Read....

As far as Cappy, i think early in the season this team was not competing. For the past month/month 1/2 its been a different team to me. Even some games where they were blown out, they still skated their ass off. The infamous timeout as well (although i didnt agree with it), i like the fact that Capuano stood up and said, this is why i did it and ill do it again. Its baby steps from the puzzled look he often has on his face and general explanations of every win and loss, but hes been better. Not good yet, but better.

Nabakov deserves a ton of credit. Its amazing what good goaltending can do. Without him last night that game could have very easily turned the other way and we’d be singing a different tune. Ditto for Bobrovsky, but he spent a little too much time in the kitchen last night and got burned.

Reese/Giroux – I dont like to bring up biased instances in sports, but sometimes you really have to wonder. Not so much on this particular play, but some of the things that have happened recently in sports makes me think far too often about his. Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the whistle blown when the isles had the puck and before the 2 of them dropped the gloves? Shouldnt there have been an initial 2 minute penalty to each? Like i said, i could be wrong, but based on the whistle being blown shouldnt they have received 2 minute minors on top of their fighting major or is this usually negated by a fight? I’ve seen plenty of times where a player will draw an extra 2 from a slash and then get 5 for fighting on top of that. Because that would have taken Giroux (phillys best player) off the ice for 7 minutes instead of 5 while we were only losing our 6th defenseman.

Lastly, by no means were the Flyers not in this game to win it. Whether it was their own sloppy play or the Isles just making them look bad, the Flyers still played this game to win. They were obviously irked at the fact that the Isles were beating them and tried desperately to find an answer, but could not. Thank you nabby

by LaFontaine16 on Jan 20, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

I longed for the day when we'd beat the Flyers/end this streak

now I long for the day when these streaks are meaningless and the 2 points at stake are everything.

by 4PeatSake on Jan 20, 2012 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

If you f*in touch him again, Ill f*in kill you!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAHA I love it. I thought someone was making that up in the previous thread. Things like this bring a huge smile to my face. We may be truly coming together as a real team! Who needs Konopka when you have killer kyle running around.

by LaFontaine16 on Jan 20, 2012 9:41 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

they were giggling

while they were trying to get that perfect shot, lol

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by bob l on Jan 20, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

(I'm assuming they're taking a pic of themselves)

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

no way

they were full on making fun of him from behind the glass

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by bob l on Jan 20, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The lens is pointed outward

So they weren’t photographing themselves unless it has two lenses. It is possible they were just reviewing an image in this still shot, but bob saw it on video, it seems.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Nabby has been really good

Eventually we will see if she shall stay or she shall go.

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by pippup on Jan 20, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

The Isles

are three wins away from the all-important 1 point per game! LEts do It

Islanders 4 Winter Classic 2013

by Rybee824 on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Plus/Minus...

…the morning after. I just wanted to add to this

+ Isles are in 12 place in PTS, but actually 11th because their .93 PPG is better than the Sabre’s .91PPG. (Just sayin’) Their next goal is to get past either WIN or TOR. 2 of the next 4 are against TOR, so they will be able to lay the groundwork.

+ Tim Wallace. Wallace replaced Jay Pandolfo in early December. At the time, Marty reasoner was minus infinity, and the fourth line was pretty ineffective. Since that time Reasoner was rejuvinated until injured, and now Pandolfo seems to be better than he was before injury took him out. But the biggest plus in all this is the play of NINO. I’m not saying that Wallace is Mark Messier reincarnate, but he has allowed the Isles to roll four and get a ton more out of that fourth line. He has played physically and with energy… and that is more of what we need from Nino… and he has been producing. Nino is finishing checks with some intensity, and being aggressive with the puck. Before the Wallace call up Nino had 4 shots in 6 games, since the call up he has had 29 shots on goal in 16 games. If the hockey gods don’t allow the Islanders to replace Rolston with Ullstrom, then they should replace Pandolfo with THE U. That would be a helluva fourth… WALLY-THE U-NINO… and that is something that we can keep for next year without having to clear it with the social security office.

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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Agree with everything

except replacing Pandolfo as plan B. We don’t have an experienced PK/shot blocking/4th liner type. But the role of slow, a-physical winger (Rolston) can easily be improved upon.

by 4PeatSake on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The "other" JP

I don’t really have a problem with Pandolfo, but I don’t really want to see him around next year. I’d rather see Rhett be groomed for that position and eventually have Casey be THAT GUY.
I don’t see them replacing Rolston with anybody until this year and his career is over… that’s unfortunate. The U needs to be in the NHL, and Rhett will need a spot eventually as well.

Bridgeport will probably have 3-5 more forward prospects next year, and I’m just not ready to give up on a productiuve [not so] young Rakhshani. Blake went from an offensive (more ways than one) prospect, to a defensive forward, to a 40 goal scorer in his professional career. I see no reason why Rhett can’t do the same.

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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Right on

the Forward placeholders should mostly be gone after this season.

by 4PeatSake on Jan 20, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Rolston...

…still sooo bad last night. Even with his one good burst, he killed several other good plays. Short handed may be the only way Bailey and Martin will get points going forward. I really like the sounds of a line with the U, Bailey and Martin. So Garth, we understand the trade that brought us Rolston, we get it. It’s not your fault he’s so terrible. Here is your chance to make it better. Send Rolston to the A, bring up Ullstrom and watch good things happen. Please.

by DirtyIsle on Jan 20, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

my favorite rolston (non)play last night

turnover/takeaway in our favor at our blue line, he’s skating up the left side, so we loft a cross ice pass in his direction, he judges it too far away and goes off on a change, instead of going for the fast break… it was almost a freaking icing as a result!

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by bob l on Jan 20, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Saw that

got all stabby.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 20, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG I SAW THAT TOO!

I’ve also noticed him skating (basically) in circles during his shifts. It seems like unless he HAS to, he won’t touch the puck. It drives me crazy. Then I saw that last night and yelled at the TV – he could have (ok probably not) scored there but instead he casually turned away and got off the ice. Way to help the team, passenger 11.

by Frosty628 on Jan 20, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, and that weird ass thread yetserday where we talked about EVERYTHING BUT the Flyers

I think the team was as calm and relaxed as we were in that thread.

Still waiting for a GOZO

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe it was the Stryper talk

They do have a relatively direct line with the big guy, cant hurt.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Gigantor was the key to victory.

These modern space age robots take soil samples, Gigantor kicked ass and took names.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Gigantor definitely stays

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by PGI on Jan 20, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

First Rule of Gameday

Don’t Talk About Gameday.

Success was survival and, kid, it still is

by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 20, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Well guess I failed

was trying to post picture from philly,com story about the game

by IslesinAZ on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

See that little green box with the tree in it?

Put the URL in there, and make sure you erase the htp that is already in the box.

Still waiting for a GOZO

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

This needs to go green.

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by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

notice how he's looking at the celebration

but giving the 2 handed middle finger straight ahead of him… optical illusion or was this aimed at his own goalie/team?

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by bob l on Jan 20, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

'Turtle this beotch'

No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring

by Anarcurt on Jan 20, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Look at how taped up

Martin’s wrist is there. Wonder if it’s like that every game, or just the one’s he’s going to be speed bagging someone in.

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 20, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

My favorite part was that Talbot actually tried to check Tavares on the play, right?

We need a gif of this play too.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Correct

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 20, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

i think Tavares whipped out the FUS-ROH-DA

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by Zhora on Jan 20, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew on the first 6 minutes we had a good chance

The team came out like a pack of wild dogs. I even read a Flyer game thread where a Flyer fan posted. Boy, The isles really want this game. Yes they did, yes they did.

And that save by Nabby in the 6th minute gave them major confidence, imo.

Still waiting for a GOZO

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Coutourier

He looked real good again last night. Wow. I think we all knew he was more NHL ready then Strome, let’s just hope to God that Strome’s ceiling is waaay higher.

by DirtyIsle on Jan 20, 2012 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

It is.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 20, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

To start the season the Islanders roster wasn't NHL ready, so no point rushing Strome.

That was a slow start that we got off too and now we are seeing some of the changes we have been asking for for months finally take affect. I think Cappy and Snow were loyal to a few guys that they promised a shot and now that they’ve burned half a season they can move on. I appreciate the loyalty to some veterans, but I’m not sure what the long term payoff is going to be.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly...ONE PROSPECT AT A TIME..

If they made the decision to bring up Nino(class of ‘10), and were leaving the door open for THE U(class of ’08), The Poulin Wall (class of ’08) and da “haan”(class of 09) or Doctor Defence (MD, Matt Donovan, Class of ’08) there was no need to roll the dice, and expand the coaching staff’s responsibility with the new RSH (Ryan Strome Hockey, class of ’11).
We are chock full of prospects right now… though we could really use a D or two.

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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The Islander Revolution should be over, it is time for the evolution.

Bring in pieces as they are ready and as they are needed. Do it right, don’t rush, the baggage has been put to the curb. I wish they would move sooner on guys like Rolston and Mottau, but I also want reasonable growth and will suffer a little bit of extra suck now for a bigger payoff in the future.

I would be worried if by this point we didn’t see diminshed play by Rolston and company. That wouldhave me thinking the staff is blind and set in their ways. t looks like they are allowing people to play their way in and out of the lineup. It isn’t alwasy possible to be patient as a fan, but you have to be as ana organization.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

If he’s not ready next year, again…don’t rush him I’m cool with that.

by DirtyIsle on Jan 21, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

@NHLwiki: #NHL*Rumor*— #Isles and #Blues talking. Hearing G.Ben Bishop (STL) and Kyle Okposo’s (NYI) names being discussed.

No chance IMO.

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by edavidmorris on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

E5, baby

Okposo for Bishop?? Hello HFboards!

I mean, I know the Blues haven’t been scoring goals much, but for Okposo, I’m asking for Shattenkirk or Pietrangelo. Worst they can do is hang up on me. (And I’m sure they would. I would in their place.)

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He didn't say anything about a trade, just that they were "talking"

Blues GM: I mean are you actually talking about this Okposo and Bishop thing, or are we

Garth: No, we’re just…

Blues GM: We’re just “talking” about it. Goalies, forwards…

Garth: We’re just speaking about it. As an idea.

Blues GM: As an idea.

Garth: Yes.

Blues GM: We’re not actually talking about it.

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The only enticing trade proposal regarding Okposo

I ever saw on HF boards was a Okposo-Sbisa swap.
A Hamonic-Sbisa pairing would rock.

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by Francesca on Jan 20, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The blues have been pretty good recently so I doubt they would need to add at the moment.

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

...why would the Islanders trade for another goalie?

And why would Kyle Okposo go anywhere?

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by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

sounds like a

Milbury trade.

This just in @NHLwiki, we have a new GM who does not make trades like that, maybe you should update your Islanders Page and it would be clear.

by ghalbart on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoever this person is

He’s either very gullible or an idiot.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I should've added that

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen it done!

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You could make a "How many more years of Pronger/Bryz" retort...

but why waste the effort? Let em be smug, every team’s got problems. Oh and scoreboard :)

by GreekIsles83 on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL!

This is funny. Is Philly really this perturbed because of one game against the lowly Islanders?

Is this supposed to be a, “Your goalie played well last night, and Tavares is turning into one of the best players in the NHL, but remember that you also have a 3rd string goalie who finds a way to injury every month or so” jab?

They can’t believe that their top-20 players were outplayed by Isles top-20, so they go after the 3rd string goalie? Ha! Get used to it, Flyer fans!

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I was struggling to come up with a headline, and I couldn’t think of anything with "Last time the islanders won in Philly…" In my searching, I saw that DiPietro is not only 30 years old and hasn’t won in Philly in nearly 6 years, but he’s signed for as long as Bryz. It’s really quite impressive.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
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You won’t have that problem next game. Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
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Still waiting for a GOZO

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

I thought the reference in the headline was to the Gallof DP story that would be linked in the post. But apparently not the case.

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Gallof

Here is the DP piece:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/01/20/gallof-islanders-may-move-on-from-dipietro-sooner-rather-than-later/#.TxmjLW7v95Y.twitter

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Warning - it is breathtakingly dumb

Ima go ahead and rate it for you here:

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Going over lots of old ground

The thing is, for non-casual Islander fans, DP is utterly irrelevant.

Sincerely,
DP’s Knees

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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 20, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

That is a horribly written piece of shit.

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I contemplated reading this...

but I don’t want to give his crappy pieces any hits.

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Not even going to bother reading it, I'm in your camp mikb.

I cannot read BD’s prose and when he’s on a soapbox about an issue he alone created, I can’t stand reading it.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Not just those issues, but his pieces are poorly written with far too many spelling and grammar issues. Fuck gallof

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Issue he alone created

That’s my beef with him. I appreciate his passion and, like the rest of us, he wants a winner. But he comes from the Botta mold of insinuating something is an issue and exploring a whole bunch of options without actually saying anything that’s concrete.

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by PGI on Jan 20, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I find them both to be guys that want themselves somehow injected into the story.

Thus taking away from the actual story itself. If there actually is a story to begin with.

by Les Beaver on Jan 20, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Was there a story there before they arrived?

They are the Grabner’s of journalism, they create offensive opportunities where none existed before.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I disapprove of this use of the Gremlin's name.

Who is creating offensive opportunities now?!

:P

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to laugh

There was a picture there when I previewed and posted, but when I refreshed the picture went away. But in this case, the red X actually fits.

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Some intersting comments ther about FLYERROB, as well

We may have been just a tad bit misled about why he was banned from BSH.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

as long as he acts cool here though

I don’t think what you did somewhere else matters here.

Still waiting for a GOZO

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 20, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course both sides aren't gonna agree on what happened, that rarely happens when someone is banned.

Take both sides with a grain of salt because the reality is probably in between both sides “tales”.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen his rapsheet

he’s been causing trouble for a while, not here, but just about everywhere else.

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by Mark D on Jan 20, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It's possible that he's playing nice because he's relatively new

If he stirs up anything we can shut it down pretty quickly. Personally I didn’t see anything in the game thread that would warrant any action. We’ll see.

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

I’m just saying the guy isn’t a saint

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by Mark D on Jan 20, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

What Mark and mikb said

Basically we want to let everyone hang themselves if they so choose. Not going to step in pre-emptively, but we’ll remain aware.

But mods can investigate the full history of warnings and reasons for banning.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Will you post a video

of said infractions and illustrate the rules broken, intent of the offending party and injuries caused, if any….a la a Shanniban?

by 4PeatSake on Jan 20, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Very refreshing, thank you.

the old commissioner just drank booze all day and randomly assigned penalties based on personal biases….I think his son is a contributor for the Bruin’s SB Nation page

by 4PeatSake on Jan 20, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The defensive decisions won't be as hard as Craig thinks

Buh-bye!

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Oh my god

That just gave me a tear in my eye to read that! I mean, he can still go and (blank) a duck, but….wow!

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by CharlieIsles on Jan 20, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

We should have blanked the ducks

Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.

by ilopan on Jan 20, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I call fraud! All the love after the wins.

Where were they when the Islanders were playing poorly? Did they say, this is unexpected? Did they say this is a better team than this?

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd like the perseption of NO PRESSURE GAMES
Yeah, safe to say Parenteau will be getting a raise over the $1.25 million he’s earning this season. Isles GM Garth Snow is going to have some decisions to make this offseason because this team is loaded with UFAs, especially on defense

But this is the most important part of the conversation.
The conversation is going to start shortly, so my not now.
Nielsen and Parentau… We’ll be looking at upping the payroll about $7M for both (maybe more) and with a minimum of 3 years in term. If this isn’t going to happen, Identify which one will, and get value for the other… and possibly try to sign both by July 2nd. But one needs to be extended and the other, if possible, needs to be traded for a relatively close defensive prospect… or a 27-30 YO D salary dump… with value.
The rest should take care of itself. Jurcina is appreciated here, and has earned another extension, (2 years at $2M per?). Eaton will be replaced from within the organization and Mottau… really? I might be convinced to resign Staios, if a vet like that is willing to take a two-way… I wouldn’t pay him $800K to play in the AHL.

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

slow down JP

or hire an editor, lol

perception
“so my not now”

and this whole section is a mess
“I might be convinced to resign Staios”

These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar

by bob l on Jan 20, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd prefer Eaton over Staois

Jurcina at $2 m per for 2 years is also steep, but then again Martinek is out for the season with post concussion syndrome again so defenseman are not easy to come by.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Jurcina?

Right now Milan is a top four defender for us. It’s a stop gap, no doubt… but if he can be that, and/or a third pair guy as prospects grow… then he easily fits into a playoff team’s budget at $2M per….
Remember that we get stugots for >$5M/yr. So if you have to fill your holes with putty, let’s try to weed out the silly putty (Mottau).

I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It depends on which Jurcina plays that contract

Is is good Jurcina, who takes the body and brings a heavy point shot? Or is it “I forgot that I’m 6’ 5” and my skates are on the wrong feet" Jurcina?

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Milan is a top four defender for us

But wouldn’t be for almost anyone else. If he’s anything more than 7th man next year, I’d be disappointed, and I’d still be disappointed because I’d rather see Reese there.

by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

You're gonna be disappointed...

unless Snow dances on the high wire without a safety net again.
I hate to bring this up, but every year we let defensemen go with diminishing skill sets and every year it bites us in the ass.
We basically threw the whole year away again because the organization doesn’t have 8 quality (NHL level defensemen).
Jurcina needs to be extended before you get on the high wire (JULY 1).
Eaton may be a better choice, but will the team be willing to bury $2M in the AHL, because next year deHaan, Donovan and Katic should all bea ble to improve on what is there now. I think Jurcina, at worst is a healthy scratch, but I doubt it, because they don’t have any size in the organization… and he has been playing big… plus he has one of the better point shots in the organization.

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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this year

more than others, there are a number of much more useful free agent defensemen. I have a fanpost in the hopper on this and our budget, etc. I’ll try to work on finishing it up, but I’ll just say that I believe between the guys in the system, and a couple of signings we could see a big upgrade.

You’re right though. There’s a risk in waiting, and the risk ends up with Staios in orange and blue.

by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Never once said they shouldn't have the safety net up

I’m just thinking that a costly Jurcina may cause us to penny pinch on an upgrade. A Mottau, Staois and Jurcina does not equal a Martin.

I’d bring Jurcina back, I’m just not sure it would take $2 million for 2 seasons to do it.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Jurcina=Upgrade

If you sign Jurcina you are upgrading the 5/6 role. If you get a 3/4 guy, that could mean that you have MacHamonic(1/2), UFA/Donvan/deHaan(3/4), Steit/Jurcina(5/6)…Katic, Reese, Wishart… and so on.
If you don’t get the UFA replace that spot with Wishart, make it the 5/6 and we’re still competetive. Either scenario looks much better with Jurcina, then any other UFA D they have right now… because there is no size in the organization besides Wishart, and he doesn’t play physical hockey.

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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Isles need Jurcina for his size. They can’t afford to go into next season with Hamonic as the lone big/physical defenseman.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with mikb's assessment of Jurcina

Skate or wrong foot or hey I’m bigger htan him maybe I give him a push Jurcina.

He is so frsutrating to me since I’ve been watching him since his Cap days and he just seems to forget how big he is a tries to be Jack Hillen.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the thing

When he is playing physically, he is a good top-4 defenseman. I think playing with Streit helps him remember, because Streit has all the finesse stuff covered.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

By "good", I mean "serviceable"

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Streit definitely helps...

He would have been an excellent 3rd pairing with Hillen as well. I really haven’t seen that much over handling the puck with Milan this year, except in the dark days when there was Mottau back there with him.
I see MJ’s biggest flaws in his small area skating. He’s clumsy… I can live with clumsy, if he uses his assets well… and I give him a lot of credit for being what they have needed last year, and this year when there was any help at all.
he’s definitely (IMHO) a huge improvement over Gervais and a pretty good one over Staios as a partner for Streit.

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by JPinVA on Jan 21, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What do you think

about Wishart as a Jurcina replacement?

Would we need to know that before this season ends?

by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless Isles stay very hot, I expect to DEFINITELY see Wishart in the last 10 games.

I mean, why not? The only reason is if they are sure Wishart cannot contribute. (Which is pretty hard to prove, seeing how he played reasonably well last season.)

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't see it

He has a better shot as a replacement for Eaton.
Wish has size, but almost no physicality. He’s almost what you might call timid. They can’t afford that.
He was very good last year in a role where he could carry the puck and make plays. He makes a good first pass and is generally responsible in both ends… but this is the biggest issue I had with Comeau…. When you don’t stand up for yourself, it’s hard for your teammates to respect you, and it gets a little ugly out there. I think the staff likes Wishart the player, the players like wishart the player, but he just needs to grow a set… I mean, that’s pretty much why reese is getting paid NHL rate, and he’s not.
Check out his “fight history” and it’s pretty easy to tell why he’s non-confrontational… D version of COMEAU.

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by JPinVA on Jan 21, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

That fits the bill for Jurcina though

1 career NHL fight, and it was in a preseason game. So actually 0 career NHL fights. You can add in 1 he had in the Q for a grand total of 2. Wishart has 14 on his card, so by that reasoning he’s got a significantly bigger pair than Jurcina (maybe it’s the juice?).

And while I might not call Jurcina timid per se, I don’t think he’s physical by any stretch. That was partially why I considered Wishart as a replacement for him.

FWIW, Jurcina is averaging 2.6 hits/game this year. Wishart averaged 1.3 last year. So Jurcina hits twice as much, to the tune of 1 more hit/game. I’m not sure that makes much of a difference.

by afrosupreme on Jan 21, 2012 6:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Watch the fights...

not quantity, quality… he is an ass kicking waiting to happen. I’d rather have somebody who is tough, that doesn’t fight. I’m pretty sure calvin deHaan would give Wishart a beat down if it ever came to that…
Did you happen to see Milan rag doll one of the best skaters in the league? He can play physical, and I dare say a helluva lot more physical than the arbitrary hit statistic will exemplify in a vacuum.
There are times when you and I think, “jeez, Milan, TAKE HIM OUT OF THE PLAY” but Milan is thinking, “Did I put my skates on right this morning, because if I shift my weight to take him out, and they’re on wrong… TROUBLE”
Wishart is thinking, “I know I can flatten this guy, I’ve got him by 20lbs, I’m a better skater then he is, I have better balance… but if I embarass him he’s gonna wanna go… and i don’t wanna go”
That’s where having Gillies in BPT may have helped. I don’t need Wishart beating the crap out of people, but I do want Ty thinking he can beat the crap out of people… It may be the difference between $60K/Yr and $800K/yr… If you gave me an extra $740K every year I’d look like trevor, and scare CEO’s out of their lunch money.
Let’s hope Ty doesn’t become forever known as Ty Wishy Washy.

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by JPinVA on Jan 21, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I only brought up fighting

because you argued Wishart won’t stand up for himself. I assumed you meant via fighting, since that was part of how you argued the same thing with Comeau. Quality doesn’t matter in that regard-the number of fights shows you stood up. Under that criteria, Milan has never stood up for his teammates in an NHL game. So if Wishart is non-confrontation, Jurcina is buddhist?

While Milan can play physical, he rarely does. That’s why he’s at the Last Chance Saloon for defensemen, aka the Isles blueline. The Caps begged him to be physical. They sent him off to a AAAA squad in Columbus to try and toughen up, but it still didn’t happen. And then he was left with us.

Really they’re probably pretty similar, but one of them at least has youth and a cheap contract on their side.

by afrosupreme on Jan 21, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

okay...

we’ll have to disagree on this one. I guess it’s a “feel” thing for me.

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by JPinVA on Jan 21, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Same for me. I figure they’re both pretty soft for guys their size. And maybe it’s just because I’ve seen Wishart be soft a whole lot less that I prefer him. But really it’s more an age/cost thing, and I’d rather not see Jurcina clogging up the pipeline going forward.

Even though this is going to sound crazy given the state of our D, I’d even trade Jurcina if he was going to bring back something decent/

by afrosupreme on Jan 21, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

this made me laugh a little...

“clogging up the pipeline”
He is the pipeline… in your argument, you can add wishart… but in mine, there isn’t one iota of NHL ready “physical” size for possibly 3 years.
Let’s hope that they are successful at the deadline or over the summer.

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by JPinVA on Jan 21, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Jurcina is so goofy

I picture him as an instant peacemaker. Who can sustain feelings of violence once they see Lenny’s goofy mug?

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by Dominik on Jan 22, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks...

wow… I can’t believe I typed “perseption”… absolutely no proofread.

“so my not now”… can aliens take over your brain for short periods of time…

“I might be convinced to resign staios”.. well.. maybe not that short a period.

Actually, i think Staios wouldn’t be such a bad choice. He has a good cap gap ($1.6M/$800K) and has been okay when healthy. He’s not what I want going into the future, but he might serve well as a vet in the AHL… but that’s not going to happen. I like D like Staios much more than I do Mottau or Eaton… on an off night Staios will at least engage. Eaton and Mottau compound their problems by shrinking physically.

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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Eaton Reese's Pieces is not nearly as bad

Staois has had Streit bolstering him, for all of the talk about Streit’s decline, look how good Jurcina has looked playing with him. Eaton hasn’t had the Streit effect to make him look better this season.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Eaton>Staios

is debatable. Staios_value>Eaton_value is not.
Eaton can stay in the press box all year @ $800K… They are not going to bury Eaton, or we’d have a third pairing of Reese and Donovan already… or at least it would be talked about. I think if you plan next year on a budget/cap board, you have to think about those decisions.
Look what it’s doing for Rolston… if Brian Rolston was making $800K he’d have been waived in December.

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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Value matters less when you have a cap floor to reach.

I just don’t think we have seen the best of Eaton whereas we have seen the best of Staois. And I don’t hate Staois he was just overused as a top pair defenseman. THe Islanders have a lot of those 6/7 defenseman I don’t hate, they are just playing too high up in the pairings.

Similar to the Islander forwards the past few seasons. Park, Bergy, Thompson, Jackman, even Sim etc, where not bad hockey players, they just filled a redundant role way to high up in the lineup.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

We agree way more than I think you realize.

I don’t disagree with any of that. My vision for this team is to have this scenario.
Next year they ease Donovan or deHaan into a regular role and obtain another top 4 D. That means two less defenders will be around. Mottau is obvious, but the diminished role (maybe 7/8) means that Eaton could price himself out of their budget. Remember that they have Wishart, Reese, Donovan, Katic and deHaan possibly all available for that role.
So >$1.6M for a guy who might play <20G us a tough sell. You can disappear a guy like Staios if he’ll take the two way.

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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

we wouldn'

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by JPinVA on Jan 21, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

reply fail

We wouldn’t have this problem if you’d stop PULLING MY HAIR!!!!

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by JPinVA on Jan 21, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I really loved this ending.

Tried hard to compound the punchline, but couldn’t do it justice. (Only commenting now because JP reply fail’d it.)

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by Dominik on Jan 22, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

If you figure that Rolston won't be here next year

That frees up quite a bit of loot for extending PA and Frans

Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.

by ilopan on Jan 20, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

My assumption...

We are at about $51M budget wise. Let’s say that Wang agrees to $55M. Here are some things to consider…
The CAP GAPS. Tavares goes to a hard $5M next year. That’s around a $2M raise from his budget hit.
DP’s budget hit is a question mark, but most likely will be $4.5M of dead money, needing them to spend around $4M on two goaltenders, plus Poulin. This year Montoya and Nabby are costing them less than $1.2M… that is going to change.
A top 4 D, should they land one will be another $5M+ budget hit.

There are so many considerations… it’s just not as black and white as X-Rolston = Parentau + Nielsen.

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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Forwards, Defensemen, Goalies

This is not a full break-down, but here it is in real salary, rather than cap/floor terms:

Forwards:
Between Tavares, Moulson, Grabner, Okposo, and Bailey, salary (not cap space) goes up $6 million.
Need to replace Rolston ($5 mil), Pandolfo (0.6M), PAP (1.25M), Nielsen (0.5M), Wallace (0.7M). So re-signing PAP and Nielsen would likely result in a cumulative raise of about $6 million. ($6 mil for raises, minus $5 mil Rolston, plus $5 mil for Nielsen/PAP.)

Defensemen:
Streit, AMac, and Hamonic’s salaries all stay the same, basically. Everyone else is a UFA (including Jurcina and Reese, who I think Isles will look to re-sign) aside from Katic (RFA). Eaton’s $3M comes off the books— that can be used to sign Jurcina/Reese. But adding a good UFA defenseman would add salary. (So it would stay roughly the same as this season if Isles were to go with Streit, Hamonic, AMac, Jurcina, Reese, Katic, and prospects/fillers (like another Staios). This is the area I think Isles could use a quality UFA, which would probably bump salary $4-$6 million for next season.

Goalies:
This year and next is $4.5M for Rick. Nabby is likely gone. Poulin will likely take his spot for virtually the same money as Nabby was making. Montoya would probably be around $2.5M, I’m guessing. So going with Montoya and Poulin (and Rick) will raise real salaries about $2M.

-=-=—=—=
This is one scenario— the one I consider the most likely, except that Isles could land a notable/somewhat expensive UFA. But even without that, it looks like real salaries will raise about $8M next season. Will Wang want to spend more than that?

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

We may need to reassess and assumption we have been making since last season.
Nabby is likely gone

I’m not saying you are wrong, but we’ve assumed it for so long, we think this must be true. Do you consider a Nabokov/Poulin tandem for the next couple of seasons? I know we like Montoya, but injuries have me worried and he’ll need a strong stretch to end the season in order to prove what he can do.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

If Nabby has 80 games left in him (50 and then 30)...

…he may be a good stop-gap for Poulin the next couple seasons. I suppose we all assumed Montoya wants to be here more than Nabokov.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have to think

that we’d be close to Nabby’s last choice once he hits free agency. If he has no other suitors, then he probably hasn’t played very well to finish the season, and if he hasn’t played very well, then I doubt we’d want him back either. I’m not sure I can envision a scenario where he’s an Islander next year.

by afrosupreme on Jan 20, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

How 'bout if he brings us a Cup?

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

would it be wrong for me to assume that the feeling here is that we consider keeping nabby?...

it’s great that he’s been playing well, but whether or not he’s traded by the deadline, he won’t come back even if garth offers him a contract. he’ll not only want too much, but he’s gonna want to play for an already established playoff contender.

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by gukid17 on Jan 20, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

PA would fetch more...

I think he’s the most likely of the 2 to go. Top 6 guy, scores berries and apples…I wouldn’t be surprised if he fetched a decent prospect ie much much better than wishart or a first rounder potentially. since it would be a playoff team in the deal, mid to low1 st rounder but I’d take it. Another asset to use later. I can’t see getting fair value for Frans

by DirtyIsle on Jan 21, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I know it's popular to bash ESPN

But I think those two writers — Custance is new there, was in Atlanta and with the Sporting News before — have always been good. You know LeBrun from several other print/broadcast outlets.

I’m not saying that just because they praised the Islanders here, but because they’re usually fair and treat cases with analysis rather than rehash of old punchlines.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I still choose to call fraud, because I have an irrational fear of praise.

You just know they are up to something, just praising us now so that can “objectively” slam us to pieces later. Okay, I may be paranoid, but the NHL is out to get me.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not paranoia

If the people out to get you really do have no idea what they’re doing.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Three questions

1) Next season, can we bring the players’ dads/mentors in for November so Isles can start avoid a drought?

2) The two hottest lines for the Isles the past two seasons both included which Islander forward? (Hint: Not Tavares.)

3) There are three European players in the NHL with 15+ PPP and double-digit positive +/-. The other one is Canadian. Without looking it up, name all four.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

Ummmmmmm

1. Good idea. I’ll take it up wiht the Board.

2. That would be KO, ldo.

Henrik Sedin
Daniel Sedin

THE ONE, THE ONLY, MATTY MOULSON

and Prolly Evgeni Malkin, before he fell to +9 last night.

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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 20, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Cheated? You got one wrong

The last one is a different Russian.

But yeah, Moulson is the only North American this season with 15+ PPP and +10 or better right now.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Further Questions:

#Will March Michael Grabner be the new March Blake Comeau?
#Dare we hope that Staios/Eaton just be the rotating healthy scratches and Reese gets a steadier spot on the roster?
#Will lots of minutes with JT finally get Okposo over the 20-goal line?

Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.

by ilopan on Jan 20, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

numbered list fail

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by ilopan on Jan 20, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If...

by March Blake Comeau, you mean Half a Season Grabner, I’ll sign up for that.

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by Fabtraption on Jan 20, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Grabs still has 14 goals, which isn't too bad.

And yes I count empty netters, if you can’t play defensively you can’t be out there to put it in the empty net either.

Last night I felt all of his breakaways served to soften up the Bob for Bailey. Even without putting them in, the opportunities he creates must scare the crap out of opposing coaches. They then matchup their most mobiel defenders against Grabs and allow Bailey the chance to outrace the second pairing. All part of the butterly effect.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Thought so too

A lot of attempts low (where Bob is strong anyway), now comes Bailey in high.

And for any who forgot, remember Bob robbed Grabner high backhand in the last game.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You can see Grabs' wheels turning

The breakaway last night, he tried to tuck the puck back through the five hole after having made the same move and going high glove in the prior game. He’s not just flinging the puck on net at random. I appreciate that. And that move for a lefty shot, backhand and back to the five hole, is tough for a goalie if he opens up right-to-left, because of the natural instinct to keep one’s balance… the glove goes out, and the stick trails behind instead of staying between the pads. It is very hard to remember to bring the stick across with you when you open up your stance like that.

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

JT faired as well as Grabs on the breakaway too

Sometimes the defense allows more breakaways because they trust their goaltender a little bit too much on them too. Bob did one hell of a job, but the Philly D went tot he well once too often.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. March Blake comeau didn’t start scoring or generating as much as grabner right now.

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

by Turgeon1992 on Jan 20, 2012 3:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This is why Grabner was a good signing regardless of goal production.

His speed alone creates opportunties that otherwise do not exist. He isn’t wasting anything that did not exist before he got there. He can score, but he puts a whole new dimension on defense as well. The goals last year were a luxury, if he pots 24 he is still a tremendous asset.

by Hockey1919 on Jan 20, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The back checking alone...

gets me excited. It doesn’t put asses in seats, but winning does… I think this needs to become one of our standard speaking points, because it is greatly under emphasized in the MSM.
…and that is what we’re all about. Bringing the REAL to the surface.

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by JPinVA on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Isles have some of the best back-checkers in the league

Grabner, Tavares, Okposo, Nielsen. How many other teams have 4 good back-checkers in their top-6? Bailey and Parenteau are pretty good at it too.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 20, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

So true, all of this Grabner talk

He really is quite valuable for a variety of reasons.

Remember speedsters from the old days who only used it to chase breakaways, and never saw the eyes of their own goalie? That’s not Grabner.

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by Dominik on Jan 20, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Grabner=JPP

Okay… so you’re not a football fan… but I’m about to switch to Big Blue Mode for a minute or two.
When people talk about elite football players they are usually talking about their front page work, and for defensive players, that’s “plus production” like sacks, tackles, forced fumbles, interceptions…etc. But when you come across an ELITE player such as an LT it’s this kind of stuff that impresses me. Jason Pierre-Paul rushes the QB spot with a full respect for his gap responsibilities… he does it with strength, speed and passion… and until the ball is out, he is on it… and then when it is out (where most DL catch their breath) he is GONE… chasing it down. Watch a completed pass against the giants when they untangle the scrum… JPP is in it more times than not. Very rarely do people even notice it, they just see bodies… but in one frame you see him just missing the QB and 10 seconds later he’s getting up 5 yards downfield having put back pressure on a reciever so he has no where to go.
That is what Grabner does. JT does it when he’s not out for a 90 second possession shift, and there are some other players who do it as much as they can.

think about that next time you ask for a REAL NHL COACH. (not you reply, but you know what I mean).

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by JPinVA on Jan 21, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice.

I remember a few players like that from back when I watched football.

Funny: I just learned who JPP was tonight when Keith mentioned him in the game thread. My disentangling from other sports has kept pace with my volume of LHH attention, it seems.

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by Dominik on Jan 22, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just digging around here to find this...

Odd!

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by JPinVA on Jan 22, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Grabner’s other talents make up for whatever scoring slumps he goes through. It’s very comforting knowing he’s out there on the PK and he adds a dimension to the Islanders defense that most teams don’t have.

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by PGI on Jan 20, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

great analysis

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by mikb on Jan 20, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

A plus on that

or was it amen. Grabner is still very young and scoring is something that once it gets going, it goes on for a while as we saw last year. Where the scoring did not seem to stop once it started.

by ghalbart on Jan 20, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  


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1979-80


May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.

1980-81


May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.

Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.

1981-82


May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.

A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.

1982-83


May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.

Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.


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