Dreaming of an Islanders Winter Classic
For the last two years the NHL has been in discussions with Yankee Stadium about the Winter Classic. While the NHL most likely wouldn't include the Islanders in a New York Winter Classic (let's face it, the league has been good about getting competitive teams in the Classic), it can never hurt to dream. Right now though the dream is on at least a one year hiatus due to the Short Island Smurfs playing in it. Along with the West being deserving of another Classic right about now.
The Stadium
It's got to be Yankee Stadium, even as much as I hate the Yankees, the history is there. It also helps that the stadium is in the city unlike the new Meadowlands arena. Citi Field, even though they brought the big apple over, just feels like it would be wrong. Plus I can't think of any company less deserving of any publicity right now then Citi. I think every sports fan in NYC can admit that among the available open air stadiums, New Yankees Stadium would be the finest site for a game.
It would be something historic, as the original Yankee stadium never held a hockey game despite existing at a time when ballparks seemed to be used for everything. The original Yankee stadium not only hosted College Football, Pro Football and Soccer, but also Boxing and two different Pope lead masses. There is something to say about a hockey game being played with that famous frieze as a backdrop.
The Opponent
If it wasn't the Rangers, the league would be missing out. Of course NBC would probably have something to say about it if the league picked two teams from the same market, but the NYC media market is large enough to almost double the combined markets of previous teams. If the Islanders were winning at a regular pace (which they would be) and the Rangers were competitive, it's been shown that the fans for both teams will come out in droves.
The other problem of course is that the other rivals for the Islanders (Flyers, Penguins) have both been in 2 Winter Classics. No one is calling for the Devils to be in a Classic, and there was never really a rivalry between the two teams as both fans hate the Rangers. NBC probably wouldn't allow the league to put a Canadian team into the Classic, eliminating the Leafs. The only other true rival would be the Capitals, but for a lot of fans of both teams that was a different time and age. It would have to be the Rangers.
The Alumni Game
Could easily be one of the best Alumni games since the 2003 Heritage Classic featured the best of the 70s Canadians Vs the best of the 80s Oilers. It would be the Islanders 80s Dynasty Vs the Rangers of the 90s. We can even agree to split Pat Lafontaine and let him play for both teams. Billy Smith and Chico facing off against Mike Richter and John Vanbiesbrouck. Denis Potvin and Brian Leetch counter charging up and down the ice. Mark Messier and Bryan Trottier squaring off at the faceoff circle. Al Arbour and Mike Keenan in charge of the benches.
It would probably be one of the meanest Alumni games ever played. It would also be the first time the "Potvin Sucks!" chant would be relevant in two decades. While the Flyers forced people who bought tickets to the actual Winter Classic to buy tickets for the Alumni game, this feels like it could be a hot ticket of it's own right. There's plenty of fans from both sides who have argued up and down about which team was better.
FDNY Vs NYPD
Over 10,000 fans showed up for a hockey game at Nassau last year that featured not a single current or future NHL Star. This year will be the 39th Annual FDNY Vs NYPD Ice Hockey matchup, and not including it in the Winter Classic festivities would be a huge missed opportunity. I've seen a few of these games and they are something else to take in. Both teams have a ton of pride on the line, and they tend to be high scoring affairs.
At the same time, both sides have their fair share of goons out there. So you get a little bit of everything. It is easily one of the most competitive games you'll see featuring a cast of all amateur players. If you've never lived in NYC or in the area, it's tough to describe the rivalry between the two sides. You've just got to be there and take it in to understand what makes it so much fun.
The Uniforms
I always enjoy when a jersey really goes as old as possible. This year I definitely like the Flyers calling back to the Quakers, a defunct Philly team that played one season in the NHL after moving across state from Pittsburgh. The Rangers meanwhile are using a shield that looks almost as bad as the Kings home plate logo.
For the Islanders, I'll admit I am biased and would love to see them use something based off the old New York Americans jerseys.
For the Rangers I would use either the 1928 or 1933 jersey and keep it simple from there. Both of those years they won the cup, and no one wants to remind Ranger fans about 1940.
The AHL Game
Confusingly the Adirondack Phantoms (Flyers) and Hershey Bears (Capitals) are set to face off in the AHL matchup. Both teams do have a long rivalry from when they were both based in PA. The Bears have also been one of the best teams in the AHL the last few years. Meanwhile the Phantoms haven't been the same since a team loaded with NHL talent in 04-05 won the Calder Cup.
The Bridgeport Sound Tigers and Connecticut Whale are following in the footsteps of their adult clubs and tend to hate each other. When the Wolfpack became the Whale last year, their first game was against the Sound Tigers and they took a certain glee in ending a losing streak against BP. This seasons saw Micheal Haley and Stu Bickel fight in the AHL and a few weeks later fight during an NHL game. Both teams play each other tough no matter what their records say.
The Actual Game
Anyone who hasn't seen an Islanders game is missing out this season. John Tavares is really showing that he is one of the most talented players in the NHL. Every night he keeps finding new ways to score and impress us. As Frans Nielsen said "Oh, sick. {laughs} That's what he do." which pretty much sums up Tavares. Michael Grabner (if he can get back on track) has that Pavel Bure ability to make you hold your breath when he takes that first step. Aldo Montoya has an uncanny ability to steal games. There's a lot of good stories to be told about all these guys, and a lot the wider NHL audience has been missing out on.
Meanwhile with the Rangers, even if the team struggles, Henrik Lundqvist can put on a clinic. Islander fans know only too well what he's capable of. Marian Gaborik can do magical things with the puck, and Brad Richards is turning out to be one of the few good UFA signings by the team. Each team has had it's time dominating, but series between the two teams are always close.
The Reality
Unfortunately we can dream, but it probably won't happen for a bunch of reasons. NBC isn't going to let the league use two teams from the same city/market. The Islanders are going to have to be good for more then a season, putting a possible Winter Classic appearance at least two seasons in the future. Even then, given the NHL's love for ignoring the Islanders, it's possible the Rangers still get the next Winter Classic to be held in the East.
Which is too bad, because it feels like the Winter Classic has only had a real rivalry game once. The Blackhawks and Red Wings are real rivals. Penguins and Capitals is supposed to be a rivalry, but it feels more like it's about the two players the league shoves down your throat the most being shoved even further down your throat. How does the NHL get to the point that the Pens and Flyers have both been in 2 Winter Classics but haven't played each other?
PS: Please NHL, don't take this as a reason to put the Pens and Flyers in a Winter Classic game two years from now?
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Unfortunaltly you are right, but I think there is more of a chance of a Lightning/Panthers winter classic
than ever being one for the Isles
Its a shame
Especially after there were such hope to have a promising season this year. By the time the Islanders would be ready for a Winter Classic, the NHL may decide to take an off year. All the Islanders would need to is to win. They have the history, the fans, and even the New York market. Alas, I do not see the Islanders being in a Winter Classic in the next coming years.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
If they win; it will come.
I do agree that the NHL will have a NY Ranger home game for the Winter Classic in the next two to three years. Probable at Yankee Stadium. The Isles will need to make and win in the playoff before they would get a turn.
I would like to see the Islanders and Oilers at Citi-field. Any lslander home game would have to be geographically on Long Island. By the time the Islanders are good, I would think that the Oilers would be good too.
The Alumni game, Isles vs Oilers would be great.
Team's poor play + bad attendance + Lack of arener deal = No Winter Classic
Too many factors to list, as to why the Islanders won’t get a Winter Classic.
I agree with John from ATL that I would like to see a Isles/Oilers game in Citi field,
I also Mushnick’s column yesterday in the NY POST talked about how the Steinbrenner’s rejected a Winter Classic in the house that George built, choosing instead to bank on the Pinstripe Classic Bowl Game as a winter revenue stream.
We all know what a great draw Rutgers is
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It doesn't have to be the Winter Classic
there could still be outdoor games set up in the same spirit as the official classic. I would love to see a NY-area round robin weekend, having the Isles, Rags, and Devs all playing each other over the course of a weekend, and also throwing in some local or college or the PD-FD game. I think it could be a big weekend for the City and something that could potentially take place year after year. Isn’t Boston still building the rink for a series of outdoor games?
That sounds like a lot of work to set up
I don’t know they could get a place to play, set up, and play on a combined budget of the three teams. Sure it would be a big weekend, but I don’t think the three teams could pull it off.
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I love the idea of blending the PD vs. FD with such an event
Don’t know how they would divvy up the proceeds and attention, but that would have to broaden the audience, as well as create some made-for-TV back stories.
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the Cablevision Classic?
throw in the Sabres.
Dolan can sponsor and broadcast the whole thing so no need for NBC market rating metrics.
occurs every 4 years.
rotates among CitiField, Yankee Stadium, Red Bull Arena.
throwback jerseys.
alumni matches.
NYFD vs NYPD vs PANYNJ (Port Authority)
2015
Yankee stadium is unavailable until 2015 because of the contract with the pinstripe bowl. By 2015 I would hope the rebuild is over and we have a solid contending team on our hands. Until then, i don’t see it happening.
really?
If you think the NHL will let the Isles move, your out of your mind. Maybe you can keep your negative Nancy comments to yourself.
yeah, well thats not going to happen.
Why are you so confident that Bettman wouldn’t let the Isles move. I hope you are right….where do you think they will be playing? The NHL is no match for LI politics
2 things to think about
1. The NHL has to approve any move of an NHL franchise. No team has ever relocated that has won a Stanley cup.
2. Bettman grew up an Islanders fan. He has a soft spot for the Isles.
The Islanders should be a major market team with the population size of Long Island. The only thing holding them back is winning. The NHL knows this. They will get the arena. Where is the big question. Brooklyn, Queens, Island Park, Brentwood, or even the same location are all options on the table.
by Killbox76 on Jan 2, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i agree that the isles will stay...
but that’s up to ownership. wang has tried to get them a new arena, but part of the problem is winning and putting a consistent team out on the ice. everyone knows this: if you win, the fans will come. plain and simple. no one wants to see a loser. part of the problem is wang not giving garth the green light to spend money on free agents. its unfortunate that the isles have to overspend a little more than everyone else to land a player they covet. but if that’s what it takes to keep this team the new york islanders and winning, then make it happen.
i would say the islanders (or any professional sports franchise) are like a restaurant in Gordon Ramsay’s Kitchen Nightmares. (seriously, bear with me)…in order to make a profit and get the restaurant successful again, you have to make necessary changes and do whatever it takes to make it a place you want to sit down and have dinner at. the islanders are a perfect example. they have great tools to make them succeed, but there’s a whole lot of things that must be done in order to get them back to prominence again. by wang and garth showing the league they mean business, players will take notice. i’m all for building from within and developing a core, however, it’s also a shot in the dark. just as good as Tavares and crew could make them fun to watch, they could also turn completely the other way. so what i believe i’m saying is that this team is far from a sure thing. i want what everyone here wants, but remember that something has to give in the next 2 or 3 years. otherwise, pack your bags for Kansas City or Quebec.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
all true, but if it werent for Wang losing money year after year, this resturant would have closed along time ago.
Its as if someone told Gordan Ramsey he couldn’t own the building where his restaurant is, he couldn’t move it anywhere else and we (the building owners) are not going to renovate anything for another 10 years. Thats kind of what he was dealt.
by ATL Jim on Jan 3, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
right on...
but my point was more geared towards the islanders actually making more of a legitimate improvement to the product. having a solid team out on the ice can only help their situation. back to the end result of: islanders win = fans come = better chance of keeping them the “new york” islanders.
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Islanders - Rangers Winter Classic Jerseys
Sorry, Mark – NOT enamored with the Americans’ uniform motif – like both the Flyers’ and Rangers’ designs (in fact, would propose that the latter’s become their regular road jersey once this game is completed, not necessarily retaining the elongated logo) and would insist upon any throwback top to feature the Islanders logo…..if there were some way of not forcing the 2 incompatible elements together and they could be integrated more naturally (say, something along the lines of MInnesota’s or Montreal’s approach) I might be more amenable to it though…..
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fisherman jerseys
it’s far enough in the past that I’d actually probably enjoy seeing it just as a 1 time deal
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by ArsenalLI on Jan 2, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wash that mouth out with soap
you disgust me. I have to go vomit now.
by tmiddy on Jan 2, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Alumni Game alone would be worth the price of admission
The Islanders could ice most or all of a team that won four straight Stanley Cups. It’ll be tough for post-Dynasty guys to get on the team (barring a lot of “thanks but no thanks” responses).
As for the uniforms, they could wear jerseys representative of the inaugural Islanders jerseys, with the white and orange stripes flipped and the orange letters.
Sadly, the NHL might have to contract about a dozen teams before the Islanders would even be considered for one. My completely made-up prediction for next year’s Winter Classic: Red Wings and Bruins at either Michigan Stadium or Comerica Park.
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Next Year
Has to be the West, but the NHL won’t go past the Midwest. Agree with the Wings being in it.
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Colorado - Detroit in "Hockeytown, USA"
A nickname I hate, but that would be a cool matchup. Would’ve been cooler like 10 years ago, but still cool
I think we'll see Detroit vs St. Louis
more traditional rivalry and they already played the Blackhawks
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I seriously doubt we'll see a repeat WC though
The Blues are on the way up and currently in the playoffs if they were to start today. Don’t have to be a first place team to get in the WC, it’s not like the Rangers even made the playoffs last year and the classic was decided in the summer.
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correction, they barely did, and then sucked
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Surprised San Jose hasn't been in one
The league is probably dying to showcase the Kings as well.
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The league
has said they don’t want to change the 1 PM EST Window
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Even though theyve delayed the game twice now lol
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Next Year - 2013 Classic
likely in Ann Arbor – Detroit vs Chicago
gives us a year to get competitive and make the case for 2014
also
Yankee Stadium is no guarantee – place is a Minor League Park vs what it used to be – crappy job of the two new New York baseball stadium – New Meadowlands is also soulless
Yale Field has been investigated and should be the answer – but that would be a spot for Rangers-Bruins (with a Whalers Alumni game)
I Wonder
if anyone has thought of starting up a full league based on outdoor hoickey – for Seniors
you could use Yale Field to attract NY/New England, Toronto has that soccer stadium, obviously Citizens Bank Park could work, as do Fenway & Wrigley – Montreal has a soccer stadium – Vancouver would be interested too
must be scope for 8-12 teams like this
a short iwinter season + a TV contract with that new NBC Sports thing that will need programming
let the 60+ folks play too a la Bernie Parent at the beginning of games
would be a big success and great for hockey’s image
Watching the game
I have good timing: Out working in the yard, came back in to hear, “Next, our 1st intermission with He Who Shall Not Be Named.”
Oh, tell me I get to hear Pierre, too.
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Was watching the pregame
“He who shall not be named” called the Rangers the “Blue Shits” (he obviously misspoke but it was awesome to hear anyway).
by IDCWhoYouLike on Jan 2, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Well, baby steps to redemption
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Video
Video here. Even better than I imagined: “The Rangers are no longer the Blueshirts from Broadway, they’re the Blueshits fr…the Blueshirts from the Brickyard.”
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It was so clear and just out there
I almost wonder if it was really a slip
by IDCWhoYouLike on Jan 2, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think "Blue Shits" gets added
to the lexicon
Thou shalt not recognize false enemies, they are the Rangers, you shall have no other enemies before them.
AND "Thank you Dale Tallon"
Don't forget the Alumni game
Potvin, Trotts, Bossy, Gillies, Smitty, Etc. would be worth the price + Brad Park, Ratelle, Gilbert ,Hadfield, etc. would be a great selling point for an Isles Rags game even if we were not yet a great team again!
then some of the other favorites like LaFontaine, Turgeon, Kasper etc
We could field a seriously awesome alumni team. Maybe DiPietro by then even becomes our version of Blackburn for the Rangers.
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by ArsenalLI on Jan 2, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Attention Wilpons
Need Some Money? Host an Islanders-Rangers alumni game at Citi Field
by Cary K on Jan 2, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It just occurred to me: might be an ideal opportunity to demonstrate.....
…..just how enduring the rivalry IS to those who haven’t been truly exposed to it; rather, how thoroughly the passions of both teams’ fans are stirred up by these matches – thus giving much more potential weight to the feasibility of an Islanders-Ranger Winter Classic…..
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Of course that's the ideal
But the Islanders will have to reprove relevance first. Otherwise it’d be some variation of Caps vs. Penguins ca. 2005.
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Safer to assume
DiPietro is interning as traveling secretary.
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So not only do we have Rolston and Pandawful back, and Haley gone
Now DP too?
Do they want people to watch? Or do they now know that the ones who watch now, will watch regardless?
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't think anything with DP's status has changed
I wouldn’t panic just yet.
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Islanders Team Report lists DiPietro's status as month to month as he tries to come back from being the franchise pariah
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While I absolutely DON'T agree with Snow's decision.....
…..I think it’s safe to say that Martin’s impressive and confident emergence these past dozen games or so may give him & Cappy the sense that Haley isn’t as indispensable as last year…..but I’d lay odds that, if the boys falter gain against Eastern Conference competition, Micheal will be back across the Sound in VERY short order…..
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three road games
against weak opposition – tighten up the D and get Ws on the board and get Haley healthy in BPT where he can get some ice time
makes sense to me
Lines at today's practice
via the Isles:
Moulson-Tavares-Okposo, Rolston-Nielsen-Parenteau, Grabner-Bailey-Martin, Niederreiter-Reasoner-Wallace
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by Dominik on Jan 2, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like these 4 lines
but still would do
Grabner-Nielsen-PAP
Rolston-Bailey-Martin
leaves Granber & Nielsen together
Martin & Bailey protect against Rolston’s D weakness
a bit better balance
I could certainly handle that
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is it safe to assume Nabby is getting traded?
And leave the Isles with just DiPietro and Anders? OMG I hope not.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
McGuire is such a clown
“The key to quality goaltending? Timely saves. Henrik Lundqvist gets that.”
Yes, yes that’s Henrik’s secret: He “gets that.”
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by Dominik on Jan 2, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I am so happy
to have the Canadian broadcast, no Milbury and they take it seriously
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how does milbury continue to get work
he is aweful. I mean NHL premiere game on TV to the non hockey fan and Roenick and MIlbury are the best they can do?
At least I can see someone enjoying Milbury's schtick
I really would like to know who on this planet — casual fan or diehard — finds McGuire appealing.
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Are timely save more important than any other saves?
And what makes them timely?
Tell us, Pierre. Then tell us why you stand so close to ever NHL player while you drool over them. he had Hartnell all creeped out earlier.
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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
They are killing the rivalry thing, too
I understand they are divisional rivals and all, but the Rags biggest rival is the Isles and the Flyers biggest rival is the Pens.
They’re rivals, I get it, but you’re completely blowing it out of proportion.
by billymac23 on Jan 2, 2012 4:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And the game has the physicality of an over 60 rec league.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
may have seen more physical play in the alumni game
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I agree
And Bernie Parent is much cooler than either of these 2 goalies.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
the hardest part is watching two teams I can't stand
and sit here secretly wishing an earthquake would swallow the rink into the ground
My mom called and asked if I like either of these teams
yeah, like I like my childhood bully.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know it's absolute HERESY to say so, but.....
…..I can tolerate the Rangers much more than either Pennsylvania-based team at this time…..
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Hahaha, the Rags goon line just got a goal, awesome.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I like Prust
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Truth be told
I hate Briere more than any six other players in this game combined. He’s really the only one I have zero respect for.
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by PGI on Jan 2, 2012 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But then
the Phillies would have no place to play nest summer.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 2, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
As a Mets fan, I wouldn't mind that so much
I have a disdain for the Phillies almost as high as my hatred for the Rangers. Since the game was at Citizens Bank Park, it would’ve killed three birds with one stone instead of the usual two birds with one stone.
in regards to the winter classic
why don’t they just have the game in NYC anyway. You mean to tell me they can only have one outside game a year? Like it wouldnt sell out in NY even if it wasnt played on New Years Day or day after.
Think they're trying to keep it a "special" event and not overdo it
Plus, there’s a whole lot of setup and investment involved…not sure if the big sponsors would be in for something more often.
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While you watch two teams you hate
this is a good game, but a tough watch – I guess I’m rooting for the Flyers, but they just scored, and I don’t care
Anyway, thought I’d do a quick analysis of Bridgeport’s season from a perspective of 3 stars of the game – some interesting things when you add it up
1) Poulin is the team leader with 3 1st star votes, and 4 3rd stars, much of this coming in the 2nd quarter of the season – he is ready to return when we have a spot for him
2) Guys like Wallace, Colliton, Ullstrom, Dibo had most of the 1st stars – reason they haven’t played as well is between callups and injuries, they are offensively depleted
3) Rakhshani showed up a few times recently as a star – hopefully a good sign
4) Wishart & Reese – neither has been in the top 3 stars of the game – shows that Reese has not dominated here as suspected, much as he fits with the Islanders – Wishart simply doesn’t shine – Donovan also hasn’t been a star )but he tweeted recently that he’s been sick for two months – what is that about) – de Haan and Ness have each been a third star once each
5) In 10 games, Bridgeport hasn’t had one of the three stars – they just aren’t that good this year (nor were they last year)
We have some good pieces there, but not a good winning environment this year – care should be taken not to let Cizikas, de Haan, Poulin, etc. get stale down there
Speaking of All-Star voting.....
…..is there a mechanism this time out in which we could write in either Matty Mo or PAP? I’d argue that both are equally deserving of the honor (though JT has been a very big component in their success, it can’t be denied…..)
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pretty sure you can do write ins
we all tried to get Frans in last year. I doubt we even get anyone in besides JT though.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
Good to hear Poulin trending the right way
Shutout today, but sounds like not much work for him?
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reese
has been a top star at least once
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nope
maybe with the Islanders, not with Bridgeport – just checked all the boxscores for the season here
http://theahl.com/stats/schedule.php?view=season&team_id=317&season_id=37&home_away=
feel free to check my math, here’s what I came up with
1st star occurences – Dibo 1, Colliton 2, Cizikas 1, Wallace 2, Ullstrom 1,
Nilsson 1, Poulin 3, Marcinko 1
2nd star – Nilsson 1, Ullstrom 1, Frischmon 2, Marcinko 1,
Wallace 1, Howes 2, Colliton 2, Cizikas 1, Rakhshani 2,
Romano 1
3rd Star – Cizikas 1, Poulin 4, Dibo 1, Koskinen 1, Wallace 2,
Ullstrom 3, de Haan 1, Ness 1
zero stars – 10 games
and the reason Cizikas is ready for the NHL
on a team this bad, he still manages to be a +6
the guy is a winner – get him up here
btw Cary
since you watch their games, whats the problem with the Special teams?
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by Mark D on Jan 2, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they are just depleted in general
they have no offense per se at this point given injuries & callups (unless other team is sleepwalking)
is kind of wearing the team down in general, even though they have decent enough D and G – they press trying to score, which opens them up more for opposition opportunities than would otherwise be the case, if they had more balance
same problem as last year
PK had been better but team lost Wallace & Colliton
Makes sense
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k, I could have sworn he had a 2 assist night. Maybe he had a big night and I was surprised he didn’t get it.
Still, it’s obviously tough to be named one of the top stars when your a defenseman.
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Jim Cantore mention on the Winter Classic
When you live in Hurricane Alley, you don’t ever want to hear his name, promise.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions
Never realized how hard the Roots could flat-out ROCK.....
…..and just stumbled upon a Grabs posting to Facebook: he’s now reached 40K in followers……don’t know what JT might have in terms of followers, but given how nondescript most of our players have been league-wide in the last decade (Ziggy might’ve had a HUGE following had Twitter been around in 1996-98) that number is truly remarkable, and a very good harbinger of our future…..
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Can you tell me when the Islanders will win their next Stanley Cup?
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OMG.....JP Parise looks absolutely UNRECOGNIZABLE at present.....
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"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
How about Bobby Clarke?
I know kids shouldn’t see that two hander I gave him.
Any regrets about it?
No, none at all.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Like the two-hander he laid on Kharlamov in the Summit Series
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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that what my quote was reffering to
That’s one thing I respect about him. he admits what he did was wrong sometimes, but he will not pretend to be somebody he is not.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
after the game
apparently a 90 minute documentary on the new NHL Sports Network (Versus) Bobby Clarke was just talking about – sounds interesting – called Cold War on Ice – still remember someone throwing fake blood on the Islander Ice when we played the Soviets one time back then (they kicked our asses – who did we play again? had dinner with some Russians who couldn’t talk openly about anything back then – my Dad had some front office connections then)
two things
1) Fuck ESPN – hope this new channel works out
2) this new NBC Sports Network doesn’t seem to have its own website? hello guys, its 2012
Try the old versus website?
I do dislike the name
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Versus website
is now some sort of “zap2it” thing that brings you to the schedule
clearly a work in progress http://affiliate.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do?aid=versus
It's apparently part of MSNBC's domain.
Typing in nbcsports.com connects me to http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/.
2nd Rupp goal was definitely a soft goal. Was Bob screened on the 1st goal? I wasn't sure if Rupp got a decent shot off or Bob just misread it/was-screened.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I think
he’s going to be good down the line. He’s had some great games
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I wasn’t sure if Rupp got a decent shot off or Bob just misread it/was-screened.
Both, plus they talked about their being a glare in the slot on that end of the ice.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 2, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ehhh
doesn’t sound like a big deal, both guys finished the practice and the other players let them go at it.
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Why would you get a fistfight with your teammates? That's like fighting your friends? They should have each other's backs instead of throwing on each other.
I’d still take Subban though, man is a possible elite offensive talent on D.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I fought a teammate in college
and we were pretty good friends, but on the ice we played similar styles and after a heavy hit into the boards after the whistle I went after him. The coach broke us up, made us do suicides for a half hour after practice and we went for beers after all of it.
just blowing off steam
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Garth should still call
Maybe personality conflicts.
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AND "Thank you Dale Tallon"
Last time the Isles had two players fight in practice, one of them was traded away (Asham).
The Isles dont take kindly to a-fussin and a-fighin.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Why can't NY/NJ have an annual Outdoor game....A NY WINTER CLASSIC
The 2 teams among the three (Isles, Rangers, Devils) play an annual Outdoor game.
The participants are chosen very simply…..the two teams with the better players from the season before.
Again…This would never happen…but would be awesome
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The Metro Winter Classic.
Have it include three teams instead of two.
I like it!
It would not be annual, of course- but as a one time thing? Why not?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Some pretty piss poor officiating at the end of the game.
Seems like they were under directive to make the game a tie so it could go to OT. Can’t believe they called Callahan for holding the stick there and they completely missed a hooking call against the Flyers on Gaborik’s breakaway which should’ve resulted in a penalty shot. That’s coming from someone who hates the Rangers and was rooting for the Flyers.
You wouldn't believe how good the Corsi is for my NHL 12 Be A Pro player.
More NBA style officiating.
Though the penalty shot call was right.
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—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
But Callahan DID embellish and make too much of a point of it… and its kind of a shame he did because it was a penalty.
I cant believe that the Rangers were penalized for getting thrown into Bob.
Very happy about the penalty shot- definitely the right call. You cannot jump behind the goalie and cover the puck in the paint like that.
It was a really good game.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly you and I were watching a different game. How is one supposed to react when a stick is around ones neck? Piss poor officiating indeed.
I am an islanders fan through and through. But how can you hate a team that plays the way they are supposed too? has a coach that holds players accountable? that has a goalie that should have won 3 vezinas already? rags made NY proud today. Thats all im going to say.
How is one supposed to react when a stick is around ones neck?
Not grab it and writhe the rest of his body around while making faces and looking earnestly at the ref?
Let me make this clear: I am NOT a fan of the “call both” thing, I think its stupid.
If he had been less- eager- for the ref to notice it, it would have been one call and that would have been it.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I am an islanders fan through and through. But how can you hate a team that plays the way they are supposed too? has a coach that holds players accountable? that has a goalie that should have won 3 vezinas already? rags made NY proud today. Thats all im going to say.
Im not sure why you are saying this to me. I mean, what am I saying that says “hate” to you? One of the three points I made was PRO Rangers (about it being stupid that they were penalized for getting thrown into Bob by a Flyer)
Other than all this recent love for bigmouth Torts (which I think is ridiculous) I think they have had a great season and of course played great today.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
My apologies…misconstrued what you stated. I think in the heat of the moment…and one who has played in physical men’s league. Its a frightening thing when you have a stick around your neck like that. And the stick was also high. Reminds me of the Bertuzzi slash several yrs ago. Callahan is not a dirty player. In any facet. No reason for the refs to make calls like that with seconds left in the game. Definatly tarnished the game to me
by mdesarmo on Jan 2, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I dont think he is a dirty player, either.
Its definitely tough to say the “right” way to react when someone hooks you like that…. but he just looked too eager for the penalty. I think if he had played it cooler he would have gotten the call.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 2, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
I get ya. Many wont though. Esp when Espn has just him making the face and citing him as getting an embelishment call…but not showing the blade hitting his neck. I think the facial expression was taken wrong by the angle of the cameras. Its a fast game. Sadly the refs probably caught the wrong end of what the rest of america saw.
It def probably scared him. But it was definatly a high stick in a dangerous part of the body
after reading this article and looking back at the atrocity of officiating recently...
where does the NHL get off on fining coaches and players for having reasonable opinions of bad officiating? Seriously, where do they get the balls to fine men who by right have freedom of speech? It’s not just the NHL but it’s everywhere. And the officials refuse to give logical, definitive reasons for their actions. It’s not only lazy, but a clear description of where this game is headed. I don’t intend to get political on this, even with my belief that the officiating in the NHL has become nothing but a bunch of candy-ass liberals who just want more control and less play. why is this game that we all know and love for it’s uniqueness and manner of settlement being buried because of the stereotype it’s afraid to proudly wear as a tough, dangerous game as it once was in its origin? if it weren’t for the fans who actually watch hockey for its embracing of fighting and harsh talk, the league would’ve banned fighting years ago. i agree and endorse that consequences for actions need to be enforced, but enough with the “cleaning up the image” campaign.
it’s absolutely appalling that it has come to us actually becoming more and more sympathetic to Torts and the Rags for actually putting up with the bullshit we see from officials night in and night out. and I have to give the rangers full credit: they’re a team that goes out and plays the game not only well, but right. we all agree that Callahan didn’t deserve a penalty. We all especially agree that double penalties like the one we saw at the classic and the Tavares “dive” were nothing but unanimously unacceptable.
be aware friends, this is where the game is heading. if you have the stomach to watch the sequel to slap shot, of where a corporation “pussifys” the game into a friendly source of entertainment by eliminating the blue-collar aspect of hockey. that is where the game will eventually lead to if nothing is done to rectify it. i really could go on and on, but i hope you, the reader, can understand the point i’m making.
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Torts theory
Is one of conspiracy. That the call was made in order to get the game to go into ot for ratings purposes. Not farfethched. Hes absolutly right. Who knows, the nhl/nbc could be working together. Much like Lavi’s theory of favoritism in Montreal. Or calls that go ovi’s way even when they are clearly dirty…(and I love the guy as a player but damn). The league is in bed with certain franchises and players. For whatever reason…the rangers arnt one of them. And until the isles win…they arnt either. Tis’ sad
We have been getting accused of wearing tinfoil hats
When saying this, now the whole hockey world saw yesterday, what we have seen all year. It’s time to start thinking this could be true.
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—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Bahh - this is nonsense. Hockey now is rougher than 20 yrs ago. We're just trying to prevent
scores of players ending up with CTE, a good motive.
So after I took my mom to an SPHL game she wanted to watch this game
I told her Callahan was from Rochester.
And the end of the game she calls me to tell me how much fun it was and how she liked the Rags because of Callahan and that awesome goalie. I think she may be a fan.
I guess my mom really ain’t perfect after all. ;-)
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 2, 2012 6:58 PM EST reply actions
I wonder if cappy thought of putting nino and grabs with neilsen. Nino will provide the hits to open up the ice for grabner that Franzy does already…and Grabner will put the pucks on net that Nino with a lethal shot could bank in. And it will give nino more playing time and learn more from guys that can play the game instead of relegated to 4th line duty with players that wont help much stats wise or performance wise. What can he learn from Reasoner besides winning a face off and making a hit? Has he done anything otherwise?
Not taking anything from wallace either…but im pretty sure he and Nino have the same amount of league experience not noting AHL time.
NY vs NY is no good
outside of NY, for tv ratings at least.
I doubt there will be an Islanders/Rangers Winter Classic.
If/When the Isles do make it, they would likely play against the Capitals in Nationals Ballpark or Redskins home stadium.
They’re already talking a Red Wings home game for WC 2013. I could see them making a Colorado game for 2015 — how about Avs/Kings. Maybe going to Gilette Stadium for Bruins/Canadiens in 2014.
That leaves 2016 for another visit by a NY team. By then Isles will be higher up in the ‘conference’, in the same ‘conference’ as Capitals.
OV vs JT is going to be better than NY vs NY.
by jonny4gets on Jan 4, 2012 2:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

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