Islanders Bits: In which Dolan says the Cup is nigh. Which is awesome.
NHL.com's Brian Compton (who has taken to posting all kinds of fun factoids late each night @BComptonNHL), noted that the Rangers "are off to best start through 44 games in 40 years. 1971-72 squad got off to a 30-7-7 start."
That's nothing compared to what James Dolan did last night, in what were his first Rangers comments to media in ages. Essentially, he said he sees the Stanley Cup is near.
Which is excellent, of course. Because he probably thinks being in first place right now means they're right there. And he's a tycoon living in a bubble, so he probably doesn't get how these comments will be trotted out for every Rangers losing streak and for every year they fall short over the decades as 1994 feels more and more like 1940.
With the silliness of New York media (not individually, but as a single, self-defeating race-to-the-LCD kind of ecosystem) and the insanity of the legions of vocal fans who call in to sports shows to rant about whatever grinds their gears ("I tell ya P.A. Parenteau's no good!"), this is just a bad idea. The Rangers are playing swell right now. They should rightly be happy. (Of course, if they miraculously got to the finals, well...other teams are hot.)
But their owner shouldn't be pulling media aside to rave and talk of the Cup (nor "that thing," as he put it) and giving Rangers haters timeless material. Not now. Not in January.
Islanders: About Last Night
Recaps from: Us | Newsday, with Isles players seeing the same things we did | IPB recap by Keith, I mean Schultz (LIAR!) Japers' Rink, where they're quite bummed by the Caps effort | Wash. Post (they're no longer the "second-worst" in the conference, by the way | "Worst loss of the season" per Kings of Leonsis
- The game's Skinny as only Eric Hornick can bring it.
- Newsday with John Tavares on Reptile Hunter, and vice versa.
- Mid-term report card from Eyes on the Isles
- Hockeys Future likes the Islanders in the AHL (more on that topic later today). FanShot on this topic here.
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Hockey Prospectus | From Daigle To Datsyuk: Midseason Top 50 NHL Prospects, 1-25 with a good news update on Kirill (of the Kabanov variety).
- This topic dominated a couple of our threads yesterday, and Katie Strang (who works for the empire ... no, the other empire) takes it on: Greenberg defends Tavares snub - Hockey Blog - ESPN New York
- Capellini on Matt Moulson. And Quisp on Jewels from the Crown on that and how Moulson got away.
Matt Martin on the win in front of the fathers, who are on this trip (can't really think of anything better than a dads trip like this, honestly):
Nice to get a win for the fathers, but I think they were doing more than just watching the game tonight
#tipsy#mixinawater
Good times.
Capuano on Last Night's Game
The Players on Last Night's Game (Nabby, PAP, Hamonic)
Hockey Links
Ahhhh, so THIS is what it takes for Dion Phaneuf to pretend that NHL players should be accountable for dirty hits: The dirty needs to happen TO him, not by him. Good to know. (Foligno is a cheap little devil, so it's always satisfying when cheap takes out cheap.)
This is funny, and it's great when reporters' feelings are hurt: Colorado writer upset by Semyon Varlamov not talking after a 6-1 loss. Can't you see how it harmed his game recap? (In truth, i empathize with reporters who get the cold shoulder from time to time, but when they pout about it everyone just looks bad.)
Is Ryan Kesler impervious to criticism?
The Sabres are in trouble, looking for answers. Supposedly they're after some sort of top six-for-top six trade, but who wants to do that with what they have to give (rentals and guys on long contracts)? Ryan Miller says a trade would be ridiculous anyway.
Sean Courturier scored again last night (shorthanded) and is good. Except on faceoffs. But that will come as he learns the league.
Frightening but alright (plus 40 stitches or so): Taylor Hall takes teammate’s skate to face during warmups (Video) | Puck Daddy
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Updated links to include Hockey Prospectus update 1-25
Good news on Kirill
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That little bit on Kirill is great
I’m really hoping he and his team do well in the memorial cup this year, and from what the prospect roundups are saying about him vertigo stronger on the puck and his scoring, I can’t wait to see him next year
islanders hockey, making a sane person go insane during finals week
by DarthDoyle on Jan 18, 2012 9:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
from what the prospect roundups are saying about him vertigo stronger on the puck and his scoring
….?
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 18, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Uno, dos, tres, Catorce!
Turn it up loud, captain mark
Lights go down in the Coli, it’s dark
The jungle is your head
Bitterness can’t rule your heart
a feeling so much stronger than another losing streak
a thought
Your eyes are wide
And though your stanley cup
It can’t be bought
Your mind can wander to thoughts of JT lifting it
Hello, Hello (¡Hola!)
I’m at a place called Vertigo (¿Dónde está?)
It’s everything I wish I didn’t know
Except you give me something i can feel,
feel
Ovi’s gameis full of holes
As goals rip the sky
Of ink with gold
They twinkle as the
Nabby stops them all
They know that they can’t dance like us
At least they know…
JT is actually in the top 10 under 25!!
I can’t stand the look
Of that red face drunk coach
Who crushed our dreams
19 seasons ago
Swinging to the music
Swinging to the music
Oh, Oh, Oh don’t cheap shot us this time
It’s only the regular season
Hello, Hello (¡Hola!)
I’m at a place called Vertigo (¿Dónde está?)
It’s everything I wish I didn’t know
But you give me something I can feel,
feel
Bodychecked,
Just fun,
you’ll maybe need it! (an ambulance)
All of this, all of this can be yours
All of this, all of this can be yours
All of this, all of this can be yours
Just give me what I want and no one gets hurt…
Unless The Haley shows up
Hello, Hello (¡Hola!)
I’m at a place called Vertigo (¿Dónde está?)
Lights go down and all I know
Is that you give me something
I can feel JT’s game teaching me, how
His game is teaching me how,
how to kneel, kneel, pray and believe
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 18, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now tell us how long did you have to work on this?
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 18, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
2 minutes
It’s a U2 song. I just changed a few lyrics.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 18, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
vertigo stronger?
do we have another case of autotext fail?
These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar
yes we do
somehow my droid changed getting to vertigo
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wow my phone is messed up, was supposed to be getting
islanders hockey, making a sane person go insane during finals week
Good news
on the character issue, but there is this:
I would still like to see him produce at the level I can think he can, especially since he’s 19 in the QMJHL on a good team.
which is sort of how I feel. He hasn’t played badly, but at his age, in that league he should be absolutely dominating if he’s as good as we think he is. I’d like to see that happen at some point.
by afrosupreme on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
That’s why I asked what sort of minutes he’s getting. But top-line forwards in the Q have very dominant seasons, like 80-100pts.
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by edavidmorris on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
He also missed camp and some of the start of the season.
But I think that his real problem is that he’s a really hot/cold type of guy. When he’s cold he’s getting an assist here, an assist there. But when he’s hot he’s dominating games.
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Me too
Nice others are recognizing his talent at least. But I want more, more, more!
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by Dominik on Jan 18, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I say more, more more
Because it’s so important that the Islanders get some above average players through draft gems, since that kind of player isn’t lining up to take what UFA change they have to spare.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
However
I think he may be another that is really focusing on his defense. It’s hard to tell how he’s being used, but I look at his boxscores a lot and he is rarely on the ice for a goal against. It was supposed to be a point of contention, so if he is improving on that and still over a PPG, I’m not sure that’s such a bad thing.
Again, haven’t seen any games, so can’t be sure.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 18, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Also
I’m not worried much about his offense…I feel like that is a given for him.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 18, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Focusing on “X” meme concerns me as an excuse for non-production.
As a dman, next time I make a stupid play in my own zone on my beer league squad, I’ll just tell the guys: “No worries, I’m focusing on offense right now.”
=d
by AP77 on Jan 18, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ahhhh
Now I understand Mottau/Eaton/Staios/Jurcina….
by afrosupreme on Jan 18, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
It could be
or could not be…hard to tell without watching the games or really having access to good stats. I hear you though, the Q is a haven for high scoring, so it could be disturbing..but I’d imagine playing D at the Q would make you a stud also.
Like I said, he’s still 3rd on his team in PPG and third highest +/- wile only playing 29 games. I mean, crap, Pronman has him 13th.
Here’s the Shawnigan page…I have no idea what those column headings are though…translate doesn’t even let you know.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Flhjmq.leaguestat.com%2Ffr%2Fstats%2Fstatdisplay.php%3Ftype%3Dskaters%26subType%3D14%26seasonid%3D168%26leagueId%3D1%26lastActive%3D%26singleSeason%3D%26confId%3D0&act=url
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 18, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Always a concern, but happens all the time with kids
The O-talented ones have grown up all their lives being tossed out there because they can score, own-zone be damned. Then when the talent of competition is closer … adjust or be Schremped.
Don’t know if you saw it in that link, but Pronman used this theory on Strome this season.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I did and that concerned me as well.
I like my prospects dominating juniors like JT/Taylor Hall/etc.
=d
It is much preferred
Too many of them are just etc.
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If Dolan thinks the Rangers are going to win the cup, he must have seen a LOT of pigs flying.
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Everyone has more goals than Scott Gomez
by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 18, 2012 7:05 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I hate when they look good
and they do…but man, Boston is going to be tough to knock off.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 18, 2012 7:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He also thinks the Knicks will rock each year
I won’t discount the Rags’ hot start, but the man has no idea how to run a sports team. “Winning” the Dolan way means maximizing profits.
Having semi-competitive or flashy Rags & Knicks brings folks in and allows him to jack up ticket prices.
by brother_rat on Jan 18, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Rags have won the Cup many times in Janurays, over the past half century!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 18, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
reminds me of how the Rangers would go 9-1-1 in the preseason and act like they were the best thing to hockey, and the sports writers would anoint them as cup finalists.
My dad always referred to this as “they won the Coffee Cup again – best record in the preseason!”
still, i’m gonna channel the spirit of John Druce a little early this year, just for ol’ times sake.
Setting aside whatever those Cablevision idiots say, it’s probably time to come to terms with the fact that the Rangers are legitimate cup contenders, which is very annoying.
=d
by AP77 on Jan 18, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But, we really really don't want to.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 18, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
As long as someone doesn't go Nancy Kerrigan on Lundqvist
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
The Rags are palying well, BUT there is just something that they are missing when playoff time comes!
They are NOT going to be one & done, NOR are they going to the finals! When playoff crunch time comes and all the chips are on the table, they will be crunched by the Flyers or the Bruins!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 18, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Contending
Only makes the fall all the more delicious.
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by Dominik on Jan 18, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Their chances live and die with the Queen
without him they aren’t contending for anything.
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
Buzzzzz (these are real)
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#NYR Torts (albeit good-naturedly): “I have my owner up here talking about the Stanley Cup. I think that’s a bunch of bullshit.”
Chris Botta @ChrisBottaNHL 8h
(Since it won’t make my newspaper) Tortorella: “I have my owner talking about the Stanley Cup. That’s a bunch of bullshit.”
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 18, 2012 7:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh yeah, I caught those. And it’s brilliant. But if thats what he told media, I can only imagine what happened with the doors closed.
by TA on Jan 18, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
Probably not much
Havent we all heard our bosses say something that you know is ridiculously wrong? You cant exactly bash them for it.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 18, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yay Honesty
Nice to hear Torts call him out. Although, I hope this curses their recent good fortune. :)
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
Did I miss something?
When did Botta buy the New York Times?
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by PGI on Jan 18, 2012 7:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Tea with Torts...
Like TA, I’d have liked to have been a fly on the wall when Torts negotiated his contract…
Torts: This is all great, but I have one question. Do I have full roster control?
Sather: Sure… anything.
Torts: Okay, today is tuesday. I want Avery off the team by Friday. Make it happen.
Sather: Anything but that… I’m sorry man.
Torts: really… you would let me walk in favor of that greasy ****ing weasel? You realize I called him an a-hole on national tv… this isn’t going to be smooth.
Sather: Yeah… he gets the Dolan’s in all the clubs.
Torts: are you fist****ing me?
Sather: No… most clubs have FIOS because of the Dolans… Sean dresses them up, and says their his uncles. But give it some time… he’ll do something that will make even those guys turn on him.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 18, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Not impressed by Avery's cache
If Dolan’s band were any good, they could get into clubs without Sean Avery.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Wait, maybe we're on to something here
The deal must’ve been they had to keep Avery until Dolan’s teams were good enough to get into clubs on his own recognizance. So the “thing” he gave Sather must be Avery’s release papers, which Sather can sign and submit once the Cup is theirs.
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If nothing else...
I’m consistent.
Great win last night. The best thing about last night was how frustrating their stick work was. It was hard for the caps to get anything going through the nuetral zone and in their offensive zone. The Isles seemed to get a stick on everything… 17 shots against… that’s incredible.
Brian rolston needs to go. He either can’t keep up, or he just doesn’t have it anymore. Three lines buzzing, and the Bailey line. Bailey looked strong on the puck, Martin was playing his physical game… and there’s Rolston skating around center ice with his stick in the air. PP.. awesome.. except.. well… you know. It is definitely time to get Nino up a wrung, and Rolston down one. If he’s embarrassed by that he can hide his shame in the press box. Haley could very easily replace Rolston on the fourth line for Philly. Give the ol’ man a few games off.
Reese in, Staios out. Excellent timing. I don’t think Staios has sucked, but I think Reese earned another game or two.. if it ain’t broked… don’t fix it.
And I’ll also give Pandolfo some credit for a terrific game. He has the hands of sturgeon, but he was hustling every shift, blocking shots and playing his best all season. A little chicken/egg with Nino’s advanceent as well. Nino has been better of late. Maybe the bad juju is between Pandolfo and reasoner… who knows.
Nielsen and Grabner should be handcuffed together… please don’t ever break those two up… and PA is a nice fit on that line as well. Much better than the DEADLINE… whcih consisted of three players that might have been gone at the deadline. Rolston:press box, Nielsen(trade) and PAP. Grabs isn’t going anywhere, and the line shows a lot more confidence with him around.
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And I’ll also give Pandolfo some credit for a terrific game. He has the hands of sturgeon, but he was hustling every shift, blocking shots and playing his best all season.
Agree. He really was sharp. He had that great block at the very end of the second period. He is insanely agressive on his shot blocking, and I hope the kids are taking notes.
by afrosupreme on Jan 18, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ironically,
Pandolfo is Italian for “hands of a sturgeon.”
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by PGI on Jan 18, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The best italian meaning for a name is Mike Eruzione
Eruzione means eruption.
It’s like that goal was meant to be with that name.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 18, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
The actual meaning is "hands of a dolphin"
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 18, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
From the Kings of Leonsis
There was nothing to hide behind Tuesday as the lowly Islanders, barely 24 hours removed from a 3-1 loss to the Nashville Predators, took advantage of the Caps’ lackadaisical play at both ends of the ice.
No respect.
by KO21 on Jan 18, 2012 8:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
It makes me lol
How come we can never use excuses. We just have to lose and suck it up.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 18, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Because the Islanders don't beat the "lowly" teams.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 18, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Because when you’re perennially at the bottom of the league, the only viable “excuse” is that your team sucks.
=d
This must be a "Hey, only *I* can insult my sister" thing
We rip the team day after day and then get offended by “lowly.”
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by Dominik on Jan 18, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We rip our old guys, not our whole team and we certainly don't call it lowly
Very few people here ever complain about the kids we have.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 18, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
haven't we crushed them both times we played this year?
maybe they’re lowly.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 18, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Any statheads (paging Garik)
know the particulars on “zone starts”?
I’m assuming that the zone start chart is faceoffs at even strength…and the zone start% on BTN is a percentage of the ES faceoffs correct?
Last night, the split was 12 Ozone, 12 Neutral, 5 Dzone for Isles. Point being, is BTN counting percentage of the player’s zone starts, or of the team’s zone starts?
For instance, last night, Tavares took 8 Ozone and 4 Combined neutral and dzone for 67%, but he took 8 of 12 of the Isles total Ozone draws (75%). Should that stat look at % of team draws taken, or of individual player draws taken?
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I see your point
And it’s a good one. Barring an e-mail confirmation from BTN, I don’t know if their site adequately answers it. The site defines Off Zone Start % as:
Offensive Zone Start % = Offensive Zone Starts / (Offensive Zone Starts + Defensive Zone Starts). Records where a player started his shift.
I would assume even strength, but nowhere does it confirm that so maybe its all starts. But I think they are considering a percentage of the player’s zone starts rather than the team’s total zone starts. The stat is for players, and there’s no corresponding Off/Def/Neutral zone start compilation under the team stats. In fact, I found an article from December on TheScore.com that talks about having to do some compiling to determine zone starts at the team level. Heavy statistical lifting.
Oh
Just saw this on BTN: when you’re running the Off Zone Start %, you can specify 5 on 5, 5 on 4, or 4 on 5. So, the baseline would be ES, but you can account for other situations when sorting. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to keep track of 6 on 5 stats, so who knows how they account for JT’s minutes each loss when we pull the goalie with 3 minutes to go.
So, I would think that with JT last night, his figure would be his O Zone starts / Off Zone + Def/Neut Zone starts (assuming Defensive Zone Starts includes Neutral Zone Starts, which again isn’t clear). At 8 / 12, he’d be at 67%. IMO.
by brother_rat on Jan 18, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Team Draws taken.
The stat is not about who’s being used to take faceoffs, but who’s being used in positions which are favorable to the player.
It ignores neutral zone faceoffs as they’re, well, neutral and don’t give anyone an edge.
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Kesler
No trade clause starts after this year, 10 years younger than Brian Rolston and…well well well…makes the same as Brian Rolston.
Interesting…….
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Jan 18, 2012 8:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
No chance buddy.
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by edavidmorris on Jan 18, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No thank you
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 18, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
On the subject of Clipping and Frankenphaneuf speaking from the dark side
Clipping obviously seems to be the Discipline Flavour of the week, but I am concerned.
Some disclaimers:
I despise Phaneuf and I loathe Foligno, so I have no dog in that particular fight. I thought Marchand’s hit on Salo was, as stated by the Shanabannner, predatory and dangerous, and I cheered the 5 game suspension he got. However, the rules are the rules, AS WRITTEN, and not as we would have them be written. One of the problems the NHL has is that the rules often appear to be enforced on a “Maybe, Maybe not” basis.
Clipping, as defined in Rule 44:
44.1 Clipping – Clipping is the act of throwing the body, from any direction, across or below the knees of an opponent.
A player may not deliver a check in a "clipping" manner, nor lower his own body position to deliver a check on or below an opponent’s knees.
An illegal "low hit" is a check that is delivered by a player or goalkeeper who may or may not have both skates on the ice, with his sole intent to check the opponent in the area of his knees. A player may not lower his body position to deliver a check to an opponent’s knees.
I’m not going to microanalyze the collision between Foligno and Phaneuf, but it did not seem to me that Foligno hit him “across or below the knees”. Obviously Phaneuf went ass over tea kettle and that was because Foligno, as is normal for a coward such as that, ducked to avoid what was clearly going to be a pretty solid collision. It’s also a little different, and perhaps more reprehensible, than the Marchand hit, because Phaneuf actually had the puck or was playing it along the boards when the collision happened. It also seemed to me that Phaneuf made it a bit worse by (as is HIS wont) exploding upward through the anticipated shoulder to shoulder hit, thus making the submarining appear that much worse since his feet were so easily taken out from under him.
The contact between Foligno’s shoulder and Phaneuf really did, however, appear to me to be at or slightly above mid thigh, not at the knees.
So what is it that makes this clipping, as opposed to what we all love to see as a big Potvinesque hip check? One, it was actually applied by a shoulder, lifting upward on contact, rather than a hip. Two, it was not a hit deliberately applied (suggesting planning), as we generally perceive that, but done as a reactionary means of avoiding a shoulder to shoulder hit from someone bigger and stronger than Foligno. Three, Foligno (and Marchand….. and Tucker, if you recall) were all moving FORWARD into the hit, as opposed to the kinds of hits made by Potvin, which tended to be while he was skating backwards on defence. You will not that NONE of these considerations is actually stated in Rule 44.
The danger of these hits is to the knees and, in keeping with the tone of the day, the head from hitting the ice after beig sent flying through the air. These are obviously real concerns, but if people are going to respect the NHL and its application of the Rules of Hockey, we have to make sure that what is actually applied are the RULES of the game and not some concept of, " Gee, that looked dangerous. We should penalize that."
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 18, 2012 8:16 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Foligno's hit was borderline, I think
But I really, really enjoyed Phaneuf challenging him to a fight – and then losing. Fuck that guy.
=d
by AP77 on Jan 18, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
This used to be a hip check, now it is clipping, which is fine, just make it clear
The NHL now needs to have all of the team’s uniforms add a broad orange strike zone painted across the players chest so you know exactly where you can check a guy. Maybe they need to add some sort of contact paint that rubs off anytime you hit an “illegal” area so the refs can see if the players are hitting in the appropriate sweet spot.
by Hockey1919 on Jan 18, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Slightly off topic
Did anyone happen to catch Brandon Gentile’s 1st AHL goal? Gentile really laced it.
I caught it on the highlight reel
there is a revolving door down there. I guess he’s taking Klem’s spot on the roster. Do you have the skinny on him?
thompson has them smoking down there. They are back in the playoff race, even with said revolving door. Good goaltending, and a young, hungry lineup… hmmm… we could have that too.
Three players will probably be promoted soon. Ullstrom, definitely. Rhett will get an opportunity, most likely, in FEB, and Donovan who the game is starting to slow down for. If katic makes it back, they will have some pressure to move one [more] D up to the big club, and it should be Oklahoma.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 18, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Depends
If the team from last night shows up more often, then yes I have hope they will. That’s been their biggest problem this year; consistency!
UVa Student. Twitter: @ericdavidmorris
by edavidmorris on Jan 18, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Talking about Kabanov
Does he have a strained relationship with the Russian national squad? Did he try out for the WJC-20 team?
UVa Student. Twitter: @ericdavidmorris
Yes he does
There’s a melodramatic history there. Coaches, poorly timed quotes, disfavor for going to Canada for juniors — some of which ties into the whole “character” questions that dropped him in the draft and into our hands.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Burning bridges
That what he do.
Lighthouse Hockey. Where Islanders fans come to panic with punctuation.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I thought
Tattoos is what he do.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
So maybe it's a tattoo of a burning bridge
Lighthouse Hockey. Where Islanders fans come to panic with punctuation.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 18, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
I thought the character issues were about him and his Dad, because he seemed to have played on the Under-17 and Under-18 teams.
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by edavidmorris on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
There may be daddy issues
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
terrible for a girl you're interested in, hopefully okay for hockey players
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
by ArsenalLI on Jan 18, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in.
It seems that every time I ready myself for diving into scouting reports for the top prospects of the upcoming draft the team hands in a performance like last night’s and has me scouring the standings and upcoming schedule trying to figure how ridiculous a run this team needs to snag the 8 seed.
They have been putting in solid efforts for the last bunch of games (although it is hard to judge their play against Nashville after giving up 3 goals) and it would be awesome if they can bottle last night for the game against Philly tomorrow. Though please leave Rolston (Slowston? Holeston? Poll-ston? No-goalston?) out of that bottle because he is terrible.
Lighthouse Hockey. Where Islanders fans come to panic with punctuation.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 18, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure this will cause a stir around here
This is THN’s next cover

No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
Wow
Although I’ll say, the question they post next to it is a fair one, and even one I’d say we ask on a regular basis:
John Tavares is the hope of the long-struggling Islanders franchise, but will he be marooned on Long Island?
by afrosupreme on Jan 18, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I guess it's a bit of progress
It has gone from ‘Man those Islanders suck’ to ‘Man that Tavares is awesome it’s too bad the rest of the Islanders suck’ Oh and DiPietro DiPietro DiPietro.
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
THAT question
is so much more legit than, “Why is it taking so long for a phenom to save the Isles?”
Which is idiotic on its surface and makes them look stupid. Yes! A top draft pick should totally save a cupboard-empty franchise in just 2.5 years! That’s how it works! Tank for everyone and then … magic! Has nothing to do with the rest of the club and the players around him!
Maybe it’s just a dumb headline.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
It worked for Pittsburgh.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 18, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
STRANDED? must have been a Toronto writer that came up with that one!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 18, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Only until 2015...
After then he’s likely to be stranded elsewhere. (I hope not)
by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 18, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
No man is an Island
but 21 or 22 men are Islanders based on poor roster decisions and salary cap restraints. John Tavares is among them, benefiting greatly from their CPI…have you not heard?
THN, the bell tolls for thee.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 18, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Would be nice to start a reverse jinx thing
Sort of the antithesis of the SI or Madden cover jinx
Success was survival and, kid, it still is
by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 18, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
From ESPN's power rankings
“The Sabres began a season-defining, seven-game road trip with a loss to lowly Long Island. Ouch.”
Lighthouse Hockey. Where Islanders fans come to panic with punctuation.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 18, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
The Sabres haven't won back to back games since November 11th
And have a 0-2 record against the “lowly” Isles.
Maybe they’re lowly.
OH wait, they spend a lot.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 18, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
There was a Hockey News cover story from 1997
that read “No Man is an Island – except Zigmund Palffy.” (’I’ve been searching for a picture but I can’t find one). The article inside the Tavares issue is probably the same one, just with “Milbury” changed to “Snow” and “ugly wavy jerseys” changed to “ugly third jerseys.” Ho hum.
They could also recycle this article with Rick Nash. But the jokes might be a touch more difficult to write since they haven’t been using them since 1995.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Jan 18, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This is just lazy Headline writing
The fact that we play on an “Island” makes it just so easy and they take the lazy way out. My Uncle, who retired as European Bureau Chief for Reuters News Agency, would never allow that.
However, until the Isles establish themselves beyond any doubt, by putting up some massive points in the standings, this is what they’ll get from hack editors and copywriters. Even last night, when they completely dominated what is supposed to be a very good hockey team, who were at home trying to extend a lengthy home winning streak, the headline wasn’t “Isles Dominate Caps”, it was “Caps Lose to Lowly Islanders”.
Those who follow and understand the game understand that the Isles won’t be terrible again for quite a while after this season. Those who don’t need to see it to believe it.
I just read the Prospects analysis linked above, including last year’s end of season analysis which is linked from there. Excuse me while I go get some tissues to clean this mess up…..
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 18, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Screw 'Em
They still put our boy on the cover. because they HAD to…… because he is a beast.
They can say what they want, but the fact we have a player on there speaks voumes about how far we have come. And we also know the talant that is about to be here to help him, and the talent here already.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 18, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
The "T" stands for Toronto
Toronto Hockey News has had Kessel on the cover twice in a couple of months, if I’m not mistaken. Or at least there were letters to the editor complaining such.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
db hockey has kabanov
listed now at 199 pounds. hopefully its true and he’s filling out. the only thing i didnt like about him was his scarecrow scrawnyness. the next ovechkin would be nice.
damn i wanted couturier. he was sitting right there for the islanders. strome might be good but couturier is good right now. it gonna suck watching him develop into the next jordan stall on some other team and not the islanders
the rangers are not winning the stanley cup. this im sure about
enough of wallace already. and rolston. and pandolfo. please. haley, ullstrom and one of czikas or dibennidetto should be here, with nino moved up to rolstons spot. and gillies should be here on call so matt martin doesnt have to fight guys that outwheigh him by 40 pounds (pathetic). and thats just the fowards
enough of eaton already. and staios. and jurcina. and motteau. please donovan, wishart, and ness/katic when healthy should be here. and then hopefully when streit is moved at the deadline dehaan is healthy and brought up.
they arent making the playoffs so whats the point of playing these fossils that have no future? NONE. let the kids play now to get time under their belt.
then they might actually be worth watching
They ARE worth watching! You need to define what the word "worth" means to you.
Its worth watching because this is a very young and talented team.
It’s worth watching them develop from 19-21YOs to men.
It’s worth watching now to be able to appreciate the journey when the boys turn into men and torch the NHL.
It was worth watching the 70’s hapless Islanders develop into one of the leagues best teams and eventually becoming the greatest team the NHL has/will ever see.
So to me its worth watching now!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 18, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
very young?
they lead the league in guys over 30 and their average age is not young
by ripcurl2121 on Jan 18, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
They also are probably last in the NHL from guys 25 to 30, so what's your point?
This team is very young, let’s not get crazy. And it’s more than the Islanders when we talk about this. It’s all the guys in the system.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 18, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
The crazy thing
is that for the most part the youngster would actually give this team a better chance to win now as well so it’s not like there is some difficult to stomach tradeoff. The only people who seem to think otherwise work for the Isles.
Lighthouse Hockey. Where Islanders fans come to panic with punctuation.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 18, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't work for the Isles
And I’d rather our youth develop properly, rather than get rushed up out of the AHL because we could only afford retreads to round out the roster. I’m tired of seeing guys rushed up to the NHL because of our lack of depth, and they’re half a year outside of NCAA or juniors and haven’t developed their game at the pro level nor filled out. And then they hit the NHL with faster, stronger, harder hitting players and can get injured, concussed, or have their growth stunted. Bringing up guys early should be the exception (when they’re ready) rather than the rule.
there is SOME talent
but to call this team VERY talented is a major stretch.
it will be much more worth it to me watching them when they dont lead the league in retread guys over 30 who have nothing to do with the teams future
The young talent is very good, and we have a deep prospect pool according to "experts"
But the team is incomplete and the old guys drag it down right now. Eventually they will get replaced with some kids.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 18, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
BINGO!!!!!!!!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 18, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
7-10-3
Road record.
They started 0-5-2. If my math is right, that’s 7-5-1 since that start.
There are 7 teams in the east over .500 on the road — all in the top 8.
There are 7 teams in the west over .500 on the road — all but Coyotes are in the top 8.
That being said, the old adage seems to be true: Win at home and come out ahead on the road to be successful.
Too bad (like the Coyotes) we can’t dominate at home…. yet.
I'm convinced part of that...
…is because Isles somehow get worse officiating at home than on the road. I remember the first dozen games of the season Isles were hosed 3 times, all of them at home.
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 18, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
PA Parenteau..
The Assistmeisteeerrrrrrrr!!
by DavidSweden on Jan 18, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
They might as well be JT's assists
He's the only reason PAP has any worth... #coattails
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 18, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions

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