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Casey Cizikas: When is he ready? Examining a similar case

You'll get there, kid. You will.

With Bridgeport going from December doldrums to a sudden two-week win streak, Islanders fans eyes have turned toward the Sound Tigers prospects, in particular team scoring and +/- leader Casey Cizikas (9-19-28, +14).

He's an interesting piece to watch because, unlike young forwards who are projected as top-six but must grapple with the awkward step to get there at the NHL level, Cizikas already comes packaged with a sort of glorified checker destiny.

If he gets third/fourth-line minutes in the NHL, no one complains (well, fewer do, anyway) that the team is wasting his talents.

"He plays in all situations for us." ... "With Casey, [coaching him] pretty easy. He's a smart hockey player, he's a two-way hockey player, he's a team first guy ... pays attention to the details like blocking shots."

>>Mississauga coach Dave Cameron, 2011 SNY Point Blank TV interview

He was the featured player (and captain) in his final year of juniors, and scouts saw his future value as a smart bottom six player with offensive punch. But despite his impressive half season in Bridgeport in a featured role, how will we know when he's ready for the big time? Could he step right in and replace one of the Islanders' bottom six right now?

That's often the fan plea, as the unknown always looks greener and shiny. But should fans expect that of a 20-year-old?

Star-divide

Since we can't know, and even people who have taken in some Bridgeport games can't be sure, it might be helpful to look at Cizikas' junior teammate Devante Smith-Pelly, another guy who comes with the "ready-made checker" billing after learning under Cameron -- but who was a higher scorer in juniors (at a younger age) and has already logged 26 NHL games.

"A solid camp propelled the 19-year-old directly onto Anaheim's third line, where he began grinding out energy shifts and killing penalties. Though he scored his fair share in junior with the OHL Mississauga-St. Michael's Majors, Smith-Pelly learned responsible hockey from bench boss Dave Cameron.

"I learned a lot on the defensive side from coach Cameron," he said. "He turned me into a good two-way player. Coming into this league as a young guy, you can't be a liability on defense."

>>The Hockey News, Jan. 16, 2012, p. 41

Sounds good. Cizikas and Smith-Pelly were top players for Mississauga, so if Smith-Pelly can do it, then his junior teammate is an example of how players come out of Camp Cameron ready for NHL duty, right?


2011-12 GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG TOI CorsiREL SOG PCT
ANA - Devante Smith-Pelly 26 3 2 5 -10 10 1 0 10:51 -21.1 (13th/14) 32 9.4%

Well, some caution: Pelly's Corsi REL is actually pretty bad -- second-worst on the Ducks (min. 20 games) -- and without him being used in the defensive zone an undue amount either. His quality of competition also appears weakest on the team, so it's not like he's faced other team's top lines and tough assignments to get that team-low figure. Of course it's just a quarter season and none of this is unexpected when considering a young player: There is always a big learning curve when picking up the defensive side of the NHL game, with all of its big savvy bodies and their bags of tricks (and talents) not seen in juniors or even the AHL.

It's also possible that Smith-Pelly's progression has continued from the first game to his 26th, after which he was loaned to Team Canada only to break his foot. Three of his five points, including two goals, were in the final five games before he was released for WJC duty.

Some other context: It's the first post-junior year for both, but Cizikas is a year older than Smith-Pelly. So you'd expect Cizikas might be further along, but then again the younger Smith-Pelly outscored Cizikas at Mississauga last season (36-30-66 vs. 29-35-64 ... it's not significant and differing roles may have played a, well, role). For what it's worth projection-wise, Smith-Pelly was a 2nd-round, 42nd overall pick 2010, whereas Cizikas was a 4th-round, 92nd overall pick in 2009. (Cizikas' draft position and draft year numbers were surely hurt some by his then-ongoing legal situation.)

And still more context: It's possible Pelly's Anaheim numbers are affected by him being there during their worst, sinking stretch of the season before he went away for the WJC, where he was lost for even more time, getting injured doing a gritty thing that gritty players are expected to do and not thinking twice -- and doing the very thing that saw Islanders role player Jay Pandolfo miss several weeks this season, too.

That ethic is consistent with everything said about Smith-Pelly heading into his 2010 draft, and everything people one day expect of Cizikas too.

As much as our prospect-gazing eyes hate to admit it, there is a learning curve whenever these kids step in -- we're seeing it with Nino Niederreiter and we certainly saw it with Josh Bailey. So you have to be careful assuming they can just step into NHL work, even when -- perhaps especially when -- their projection and history is to handle defensive assignments rather than focus solely on offense.

Like Niederreiter, Smith-Pelly doesn't have the benefit of an AHL option yet. Cizikas does, and by all accounts it's serving him well so far. This is the preferred route for a prospect like this, and chances are Cizikas is being better served by this half-season in the AHL than those two are in their no-AHL-allowed internships at the NHL. For all we know, Cizikas could step in today and be a better NHLer than either Niederreiter or Smith-Pelly (again, he's a year older than them), if not better than the aging veterans prospect-gazing fans would like to see him replace.

But don't assume that just because he's leading the way at Bridgeport that it can or should happen today. These kids, they usually take time.

Poll
Casey Cizikas will make his Islanders debut:
This season, because they can't keep him down.
67 votes
This season, when injuries create a spot.
151 votes
Opening Night, 2012-13.
88 votes
Mid-season callup, 2012-13.
76 votes

382 votes | Poll has closed

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I like this kid. I hope he gets a few games this season just to get paid.

If the hockey gods hate me as much as they seem to at times, and Frans leaves, I like knowing Cizkias is around.

by Les Beaver on Jan 18, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

I also

hate spelling his name…

by DavidSweden on Jan 18, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Butchie will probably hate pronouncing it

That will be fun.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Jan 18, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

This is awesome

Clearly why Al Gore invented the internet.

by afrosupreme on Jan 18, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I would love it if he just started going

“great play by the Greek kid, creating space for the Swiss.”

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 18, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Isles should have kept Jaffe and...

…let Butchie do the play-by-play.

What fun that would be!

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 18, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Once I accepted him for what he is

I started to get a kick out of him too. I miss Jaffe’s on the spot analysis (though Goring has gotten better at that). But Goring’s stories and pronunciations keep me amused.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jan 19, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And he's one of us.

He loves the islanders and the fans.

That quote about no 2-on 1s with Bossy the other night was priceless.

Still waiting for a GOZO

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 19, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

What you meant...

…was creating holes for the Swiss.

by Chin Ho on Jan 18, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Ohhh yeah...

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by Dominik on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

The offense will run like clockwork!

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by mikb on Jan 19, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

he's been pretty good for a guy who has no help down in BP

Which is a very encouraging sign. I’d like to see him get up for a few games this season or if we end up having to trade Frans at the deadline. In an ideal world I think he gets a callup in the middle of next season after we see what he’s capable of with some actual prospects to help him out at the Bridge. What I actually think happens is Reasoner or Frans is gone next season (hoping Reasoner) and Cizikas ends up starting the season with the big club.

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by ArsenalLI on Jan 18, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

I think he's had some help

Getting the good roles and playing with the best linemates down there, but everything sounds really promising so far. It would be fun to see all of them (Ullstrom again, Dibenedetto, Rakhshani) just to get a gauge on their progress independent of one another.

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by Dominik on Jan 18, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I might be in the minority here

but I think the environment a prospect is brought into plays much more of a role in development then the players age. Meaning, I have no problem with someone physically able coming onto a team that’s developing numerous young players at the same time. The coaches will coach. They will give him ice time despite mistakes.

It would be different if he was coming up to a team like Detroit, where he’d be buried on the fourth line and possibly more of an afterthought as the team aims for bigger and better things.

For all intents and purposes this season is lost in terms of winning a cup for the Isles (I know, I’m shocked too). But it’s not lost in giving players who you think can fill a role next year, a chance to get acclimated this year. Cizikas will come up and have his ups and downs, just like Nino, and Bailey and JT before him. But if he is talented enough he’ll make it.

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by Pauly C on Jan 18, 2012 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

interesting comment....

you make valid points, but 2 things stand out….every situation is different as you can compare edmonton as an example and detroit. Edmonton ices the leagues youngest line with hall, eberle and nugent hopkins. They are giving the young guys the ball to run with. Obviously a team like Detriot would never have a situation like this. While those 3 are special talents i can only see possibly Hall getting 1st line minutes. There are many positives to be brought up in an atmosphere like Detroit where you are learning from veterans who are carrying the team and you will be able to more comfortably find your way (which is my ideal approach to development).
Then theres the Islanders and the Niederreiter situation. A skilled power forward who hasnt shown much, but is not being put in a position for success. A team already out of the playoffs at the midoint mark of the season has arguably their most promising prospect buried on the 4th line getting around 8 min per game playing with over the hill and journeymen 4th liners while other over the hill players (ehem Rolston) continue to get 2nd and 3rd line minutes and PP minutes while producing nothing. So i cant really figure that one out.
I feel guys like Czikas are able to step in more effectively because he can play a 4th line role and that fits into his playing style. He would not be out of his element playing a role like that. Nino on the ohter hand, is a skilled offensive player asking to be played a dump and chase grind it out style of play. IMO that is not helping his development in the least. He’s not going to build any confidence that way.

by LaFontaine16 on Jan 18, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there are multiple issues

Like to whatever extent Nino’s confidence is a factor: He’d be in over his head, perhaps every bit as “confidence shot,” if he’d been given first-line minutes last year or this and then bled goals left and right. He wouldn’t last long. I think the slow, bite by bite construction of his defensive awareness is important if he’s going to be baptized at this level.

Nino has only recently demonstrated little bursts that he can figure out how to make threatening offensive forays. I don’t think that’s due to burial on the 4th line — it’s due to a semester overload of curriculum that includes How To Use Your Body When It’s No Longer Bigger Than Most of the League.

Young forwards as a rule aren’t astute at picking up the two-way side of the game, which is what scares the crap out of every coach but especially coaches for teams who only win one-goal games. Guys like Cizikas are interesting because that side is billed as their strength. (Couturier too, albeit a much more talented example.) But even with that, you never know how quickly they’ll pick it up upon promotion.

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by Dominik on Jan 19, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

agreed....

HOwever, i was implying a 3rd line role for Nino. Atleast with someone who he can work with to maybe pop in a goal or two to help with his confidence. Nino should be nowhere near a 1st line right now or probably even a 2nd for that matter.

by LaFontaine16 on Jan 19, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he's working up to that

Last handful of games were the first time I began to think, “He’s ready for promotion” (to 3rd line).

And I generally assume we fans think/see it a little before it’s actually time.

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by Dominik on Jan 19, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Voted this year

via injuries. I think Pandolfo, Wallace, and maybe, just maybe, Rolston will be displaced by other players (Ullstrom, Rak, DiBo) during the course of the year, with Cizikas staying in BP. I’d have no problem with him staying there all year, but I’m sure at some point someone will be injured, and then he’ll get a chance.

Looking forward to it. That penalty kill clip from the Worlds is my favorite Islander prospect highlight.

by afrosupreme on Jan 18, 2012 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, that's the type of effort that can change the course of a game

You mean this one, right?
LINK

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 18, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

I recognize the odds on him being able to do that in the NHL are slim (twice he should have been easily knocked off the pucks, but the bodychecks were weak), but you can say that about any prospect highlight (like that ridiculous goal Strome had-no NHL goalie plays that so poorly). But to get a sense of how hard the guy works, and the type of game he can bring, I just love it.

by afrosupreme on Jan 19, 2012 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Casey's NHL debute will depend a lot on whether or not Frans and Pap resign

If Frans doesn’t, Casey will get a shot sooner…but if Frans resigns, the Isles defensive zone lines will be very good. Martin, Frans, Grabner, Ullstrom, Bailey, Reasoner, Cizikas. That of course means the Neutral zone coverage will be solid, and with Pap, two more forwards to add a second offensive zone attack. It be nice to have two, three maybe four years from Frans, and two or three from Pap, that would allow the prospects to develop. It just seems when you look at the mean age of the prospects, and the age when top prospects produce, we’re looking at 2014-15 as a big year. With Pap and Frans signed, and the improvement by prospects, hopefully one or two more forwards, this team is closer to the playoffs, but still has to fix the defense. I can only see Donovan and DeHaan having any sustained role with the team next year, and even that may be pushing it. I think we got spoiled by kids like Hamonic and JT who produced immediately.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 18, 2012 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

agree here....

The deadline should tell us everything we need to know as far as what management thinks of cizikas and how ready he is…

by LaFontaine16 on Jan 18, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, this team is currently being managed to tank so don't expect him soon.

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by garik16 on Jan 18, 2012 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

So you say calling up Cizikas would help ward off tanking?

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by Dominik on Jan 19, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I voted for a mid season call up for 2012-13

I think the Isles will make a go with some of the more experienced (as in years of pro experience) prospects this season if they need to make callups from Bridgeport. I do expect Cizikas to make his Islanders debut sometime next season, working his way into the role that Marty Reasoner was signed for.

by Dougtone on Jan 18, 2012 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

I recommend anything that knocks out Staios for the season but doesn't actually harm him long term.

So no classic Stick to face after face-off techniques here.

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by garik16 on Jan 18, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I may be in the minority on this one, but I’d rather see Staois out there than Eaton, who has always infuriated me.

=d

by AP77 on Jan 18, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I just want the elderly all gone.

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by garik16 on Jan 18, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

No arguments from me there

But where do you stand on Streit?

I say sell sell sell.

=d

by AP77 on Jan 18, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm open for offers as to Streit/Nabakov/Montoya.

and Nielsen if we can’t get an extension by the deadline.

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by garik16 on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

and get what in return

A 2nd rd pick, and maybe two 4th round picks.

by ghalbart on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

garik16--

I’ll go along w/ Streit and Nabby as long as we get something decent in return, but I wouldn’t give up Montoya— not for what we’d probably get in return.

by Potvin's Cups on Jan 18, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

To AP77:

You took the words right out of my mouth— everyone hates Staios, but I can’t stand Eaton. Eaton, at best, is the ultimate vanilla hockey player— he brings nothing positive to the ice! (At least we don’t have to see Mottau anymore; Staios looks like Hamonic compared to him!

by Potvin's Cups on Jan 18, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I've argued in favor of Eaton before

From all reports he’s a great locker room presence, and a lot of those reports are from Pittsburgh, not just propaganda from LI

And he’s good enough on the ice in a bottom pairing role to keep him around.

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by Mark D on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Eaton over Staois only because I haven’t seen Eaton caught pinching once. This is because he doesn’t pinch, but Staios probably shouldn’t either. Meanwhile, I’ve seen him caught behind the opposition’s goal.

by afrosupreme on Jan 19, 2012 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Eaton seems to bring out the snow-angel in his partners. Quite bothersome…at least Staios has some mobility and can check/play physically. (Not well obviously, but I think he would look better on the third pairing doing that).

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by Keith Quinn on Jan 19, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

At least Staios wouldn't turtle...

Nobody challenged him to fight on the ice that I saw when it originally happened, but Staios strikes me as the kind of guy who would drop the gloves.

by Nick (LetThereBeLighthouse) on Jan 18, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I vote that Talbot tries something and...

Staios beats his ass into the ice convincingly.

But I just don’t see how Staios is going to find Talbot’s turtle move very threatening.

by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 18, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. Yeah, let's get retribution on a clean hit that had no injury occur from it. lol

And there are some jackasses over there. Staios jump Shelley and get a suspension, Rinaldo charge him high, go after Tavares or one of our other top guys and hurt him. WOW, all over a hit that wasn’t even worth a fine, let alone a suspension. What a bunch of short tempered pricks, and they wonder why their city gets this reputation of being full of assholes. It’s not all of them(isn’t even most of them, but still a surprising amount), but there are some real idiots over there.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Jan 19, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

You ask for an NHL coach...

but you want an AHL coach… You can’t have it both ways.
This is why there is a Bridgeport. The islanders can certainly be younger. They can have more energy, and they can be hungrier in certain positions. But Casey Cizikas is not the answer. He will be a piece of the puzzle… but we can wait for that.
We saw it with Bailey, we saw it with Kyle, we saw it with Tavares to a lesser extent. Last place teams that have no access to the UFA market rush their prospects. There is no reason(er) to rush Casey.
If there was a line for an NHL spot he would be fourth on the forward line right now.
Ullstrom needs to get his job back as soon as he feels ready. That should mean sometime next week, and Wallace will likely be back down.
Rhett should get another shot after a great rookie campaign, and a stellar return from injury. An injury that cost him a second opportunity and probably gave pandolfo an opportunity as the fourth line forward. Pandolfo most likely sees the press box again.
Dibo has been there, done that. He would fill an important role. Haley has proven he can handle NHL assignments as well. Either of them could be third depending on varied needs… and then comes casey.
Let’s not forget also that Colliton can fill a fourth line center/Pker role if the team is actually still in the hunt.
The coaching staff should be more comfortable with any of those choices in front of Casey. Let Casey let things become instinctual at the AHL level, and he will be more productive in the NHL… without being a “learning curve drain” in the NHL. They already have Nino there because of his cap gap (promise) and should be working youngsters like Ullstrom and Rhett in through the season.
He’ll be important… just not as soon as everybody wants him to be.

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by JPinVA on Jan 18, 2012 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

I agree with all of this.

I don’t know why I’m surprised.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 18, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I do as well, except for...

JPinVA’s perpetual infatuation with Rhett Rahkshani.

Seriously dude….spill the beans. Is he your cousin or something? Guy will not make it in the NHL.

by JPinNYC on Jan 18, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't underestimate Rakhshani. If he was 6' 200lbs instead of 5'10'' 182lbs, he'd already have amassed tens of NHL games.

Size is the only thing holding him back, not skills. Just check his AHL numbers and college numbers, and skillset reports. The man is talented, it’s just health and bigger NHL bodies are gonna be the big questions for him most likely.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Jan 19, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

If the numbers are there but the size is not

I find it hard to believe he’ll be a full time NHLer. Someone that small in the NHL will get knocked around too much, especially with his style of play (well, what little amount I’ve seen anyway).

Now, if he can turn out to be a Marty St. Louis type, then yee-haw. But I really think that the only he breaks away from the “Colliton” role, for lack of a better term, he’ll have to add an agitating aspect to his game. If he can drop 15 goals and be a pain in the ass in doing so, then I’ll happily take it.

Forgive me if none of this is accurate, I’m a tad tired. I’m really only kind of going off of the two games he was up for last year and about one highlight on YouTube.

by sayvillelax94 on Jan 19, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear you, but there is still a case for him to at minimum get a shot.

Briere, Gionta, Giroux, St.Louis, Whitney, Koivu, Kane, Ribeiro, Roy, all forwards similarly sized that have had solid nhl careers(or are on the verge of ones). He at least deserves a shot, and his offensive prowess I believe would surprise a lot of people. Rakh looks like he’s gonna be putting up around 25-30goal seasons and a pt/gm in the AHL as long as he’s healthy. That’s good enough to be a top 10 offensive player annually in the AHL, and if that doesn’t deserve an NHL shot, I don’t know what does among “younger” prospects. If he can stay healthy and adjust well, I really think he has the potential to be a 15goal/40pts forward. Rakh has the offensive skills without question, it’s just a question of adapting and staying healthy imo, and other similarly sized forwards have done it, even with taking physical punishment along the way.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Jan 19, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree he deserves a shot....

…but all I’m saying is let’s be realistic about his NHL potential and not expect another St. Louis or Briere. If he’s seriously listed at 5’10" and 182lbs, then he must have been weighed and mesaured in full gear.

by JPinNYC on Jan 19, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

So...

What did I say that was so wrong? Or do you just not like being “the other JP”.
Size can be a factor, but it can be overcome. Since he was in college he has reminded me of Jason Blake. If you could get those kind of shifts from a 25 year old, wouldn’t you… especially when your other options include Jay Pandolfo and Brian Rolston?
He may havea tough time keeping a roster spot when the 2009 through 2011 classes are ready, but he is a legit option right now. He’s the most NHL ready forward, that hasn’t played more than 3 NHL games, in the organization.

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by JPinVA on Jan 19, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You didn't say anything wrong....

….you just say it often – couldn’t help but notice. If Rakshani is a regular on the Islanders in the next 1-3 years or beyond, then we’re not talking about playoff contention, we’re talking about continual lottery pick contention. We have bigger and better prospects in the organization.

by JPinNYC on Jan 19, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Or MAYBE we now know what the JP stands for...

From the NYI – Jamie Palatini: Rhett Rakhs.

Ah-HA! He’s a mole!

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by Dominik on Jan 19, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

that is why I voted for next year call up at the very least. We can afford to keep him down there, lets not rush him if we do not have to.

by ghalbart on Jan 18, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you are underweighing a year less of development and you are underweighing half a season of AHL time.

That half a season of “adaptation” to the minors could make a big difference too. Cizikas is a year older and a season more of juniors and half a season more of AHL seasoned. Cizikas should definitely be a better checker/defensive-player, probably more adaptable, and definitely more NHL ready. Offensively is a question, but hey, in 4th line minutes I’d take 9goals from Cizikas(who had comparable offensive numbers last year). I think Cizikas is NHL ready definitely for a 4th line role, 3rd line role is questionable but he very well could be.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Jan 19, 2012 12:17 AM EST reply actions  

If Cizikas can (a) shoot the puck (b) on net...

He will be more dangerous than Pandolfo and Rolston, respectively.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 19, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lol. And judging by his ahl numbers, he can get the puck on net often and set-up teammates for goals.

We might have struck gold. lol

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Jan 19, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

we’ll see him as a short 1 or 2 game callup due to injury, but I really hope he stays in the A till 10-15 games into next season unless he has a huge camp.

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by Mark D on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

The only thing I don't like about this

Is it would require another Pandolfo, and then all the sudden it’s game 40 and there’s Pandolfo sitting around. I think the Isles need to replace three forwards next season, but I think they can do it from within, and that those guys should break camp with the team.

Essentially I’d argue that Bridgeport this year and next year’s camp are auditions to be Reasoner’s wingers next season.

As a side note-we’re likely already locked up at C next year-can Cizikas play the wing?

by afrosupreme on Jan 19, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

No idea, but one would hope so.

Even if it means more/another Pandolfo, the more likely way of doing it is giving an older guy a 2 way deal.

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by Mark D on Jan 19, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

the more likely way of doing it is giving an older guy a 2 way deal.

I could live with Wallace, or someone like him, on a two-way deal. Please no more Pandolfo, or guys making over a million on a one-way because they will never see the AHL.

by afrosupreme on Jan 19, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I want to see what Cizikas can do this season

I would also like to see Dibo at some point this season. Even just for a game or two each.

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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 19, 2012 2:28 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

end of season when Bridgeport is done and there are still a few games

let him get a smell of the NHL,and what it may take to be ready for opening night next season.

kind of what Okposo did

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by Rickfansince76 on Jan 19, 2012 4:59 AM EST reply actions  

end of season when Bridgeport is done and there are still a few games
let him get a smell of the NHL

I think its a pretty safe bet that Bridgeports season could be longer than the Islanders.

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by TheMetalChick on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Centers.....

BTW Dom, thanks for the article. The Isles strongest organizational depth seems to be at center right now with Tavares, Bailey, Nielsen, Strome, Nelson, Lee, Cizikas, ( i believe Ullstrom is a natural center). Im also really curious about Nelson and Lee and their potential upside and development. They both seem very intriguing. Should be interesting to see what the Isles look like down the middle once this is all figured out and we start winning. Outside of Strome, im really excited for Lee. He sounds like a he plays a style similar to Okposo in his glory days (sigh) and he was one of the most impressive players in the rookie camp this year.

by LaFontaine16 on Jan 19, 2012 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

Nelson might turn in to a steal

He might be the ideal two way second line center. A 6’4 monster who can dangle? What’s not to like. He uses his humangous big reach really well, clogging up lanes and picking off passes. He’s not a big hitter put he doesn’t need to be. He’s probably NHL ready if he wants to leave North Dakota early.

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by Anarcurt on Jan 19, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ehh I don't know about a steal

I mean we did trade up into the first round to get him… But I’m just nitpicking and if he pans out then it doesn’t really matter.

by sayvillelax94 on Jan 19, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do I almost always agree with JP?............

because he is usually right on in his evaluations and writes well. Rhett does deserve another shot,and everyone wishes him well – but size does count, and its more the exception than the rule that small players develop into 25 goal scorers. As for Cizikas, to me he is the latest “great hope”, with basically less than great stats in the AHL. If I had to bet real money on his making it as a 3rd liner on a team that is building for a play-off run in the next year or two versus his being in the minors three years from now,- I would bet on an AHL career. Those who say he could be on the 4th line now for the Isles say more for our desperate position there in terms of defending or scoring. What is needed next season if we are even going to be in the play-off hunt are young veterans capable of filling the roles of the latest departing mistakes Snow made last season. Help at D and F and maybe in G will need to come from established FAs or by trade and will Wang spend the bucks. Time is short on the long island.

by altosax on Jan 19, 2012 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks...

that is if you didn’t meant “the other JP”

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by JPinVA on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Just to explain the cizikas situation, if he makes it into the NHL, it's most likely going to be for his defensive prowess 1st and his offense 2nd.

Players that come to mind when I say defensive prowess with “little” offensive prowess are: Goc/Malhotra/Stoll/Ward for comparables. And yes, size counts, but so does grit and IQ and defensive abilities.

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by OzzyFan on Jan 19, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Appreciate your point

but I just object to the hoopla in general that comes with so many of the AHL guys who haven’t played a game yet in the NHL. The odds are long and even our high piks: Nino Bailey and Strome are no sure future sure things as even regulars never mind stars. But hey we’re here to speculate and have a good time so what the hell – I guess he’s the flavor of the week. [I’d love him to get a chance and to succeed]

by altosax on Jan 19, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  


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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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