Islanders Bits: Kevin Poulin Returns to Bridgeport, Sutter Spots the COZO
by Dominik on Jan 17, 2012 12:39 AM EST
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PrintAfter the Monday afternoon loss to Nashville (or, as the joke goes, about six minutes into the first period), Kevin Poulin was returned to Bridgeport. As of Monday night the transactions did not list Al Montoya coming off IR from his concussion, but that is the logical inference here. EDIT: Apparently he was never on IR, and the emergency recall did not necessitate it.
Newsday quotes Travis Hamonic on taking that shot on the foot from Shea Weber: "I wear Shot Blockers for a reason,'' he said. "I definitely don't wear them for style points." They also have Preds coach Barry Trotz praising John Tavares' development.
In Newsday's game recap, the Isles blame it on their mistakes and not Poulin, Kevin Poulin blames himself (and the layoff).
More notes from Monday, from around the league, and other Isles links -- including a COZO note that has us rolling:
Islanders Stuff
Brent Sutter is looking for answers in Calgary and that includes a line shakeup that promotes Blake Comeau in the middle of an 11-game goal drought. When he was a supported yet frustrating Islander, we noted his propensity for "COZOs" -- Comeau Offensive Zone Orbits. It seems Sutter has too:
"He can really skate when he’s coming down that wing," said coach Brent Sutter. "But he passes up a lot of shots because he wants to take the puck, goes for the loop around the net to the other side, and nothing happens. That’s what the opposition wants to happen. When he has opportunities, he has to use his shot."
Okay, onward now:
- On the Forecheck recaps yesterday from the Preds point of view. And here's post-game reaction from the Tennessean's blog.
- Michael Fornabaio has some notes -- including one link on that Anton Klementyev signing with his old team, the re-invented but not-yet KHL again Lokomotiv. That's also where he'll do his weekly Bridgeport chat Tuesday at 1:30 p.m.
- Because you need more Butch Goring off the cuff: His XM Home Ice interview [mp3 audio]. (Seriously, good thoughts there.)
- The Islanders three prospect stars of the week: Brenden Kichton, Rhett Rakhshani, Matt Donovan.
- On that note, Mark's Sunday prospect roundup.
- And while we're linking down the page, here's my pretty thorough (and debatable, as always) ffirst half Islanders report cardd (Kevin Schultz's review at IPB is here); and here's that Xfinity contest we're running. Win a job, man.
- Some Islanders dynasty content: "The ultimate question is, do some teams really perform better in the playoffs, or are the performances variances instead the result of chance?"
- Prospect Pedan: OHL: Pedan incident might have raised awareness of inappropriate on-ice comments | Buzzing The Net
- Some silliness from North Dakota and Minnesota over the weekend: Bad Blood: Handshake line fight between North Dakota and Minnesota in NCAA (Video) | Puck Daddy and also: Ben Blood disciplined for post-game altercation - UNDSports.com]
- You know it's rough when: Lightning promote Trevor Smith from Norfolk Admirals - Raw Charge
The Hockey n Stuff
- Another in a chilling series on going through concussions. Keep highlighting Dion Phaneuf on nhl.com, guys.
- Mountain, or mole hill? Struggling Kesler gets snippy about coach’s comments | ProHockeyTalk
- Go ahead, rip on the Habs. But get it right.
- On sports media narratives: Rising Action: On narratives | CanucksArmy
- On that note... Drance Numbers: Can Roberto Luongo’s mental toughness be quantified?
- This is real: Career Advice From Brian Burke | MLSE
- And finally, so is this: Your KHL All-Stars
FIG Picks for Tuesday's game vs. the Capitals: Leave 'em over here.
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COZO!
“…and nothing happens.” LOL!
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 AM EST reply actions
No, then he would say Cozo.
;-)
That made me lol when I read what Sutter said.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
SIAP: Islanders and fantasy hockey
Pretty much confirms how good Tavares has been when you look at how he’s contributing on 2 different lines on the list, 1 of which is the overall top line.
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
The interesting quote in that article for me was
I mean Matt Moulson, who was all but left for dead in the AHL, is suddenly looking like he’ll push for 40 goals and 70 points at the NHL level. How many other gems are rotting in the AHL right now? I gotta wonder.
You do wonder how much of an edge case Moulson is. Teams seem to make up their minds on players, and if that player never gets moved then next thing you know he’s a “career AHLer,” and the skills that could give him success have likely fallen off a little.
I’m guessing there aren’t a lot of Moulson’s out there, but he can’t be the only one (hell-he’s not even the only one our team).
You do wonder
Him and PAP both. And then there are those Giroux-types who are AHL stars but just can’t get it done in the NHL and (it seems) have been tried enough to find that out.
But even Moulson and Parenteau, their brief pre-Isles appearances in the NHL were mostly limited roles. There were definitely some Kings fans who wondered why Moulson didn’t get a better shot, and of course another contingent who saw him with the “AHL, no defense” label that a lot of these guys get.
Also wonder how many get discouraged and stop working on improving/adapting and instead embrace the AHL lifer life.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Speak of the devil
Quisp with a good backgrounder on how the Kings’ decision on Moulson was made.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
i see cornell and steven's have 1 thing in common
5’s, 6’s, and 7’s
magically turn into
8’s, 9’s, and 10’s
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by bob l on Jan 17, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I went to Clarkson bob I...
and it was not magic that turned the 5’s, 6, and 7’s into 8’s, 9’s, and 10’s.
It was Jim Beam.
by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 17, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So Fenster played hockey for Cornell...
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Jan 17, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And it also makes reading the article that much funnier
-but seriously, a handshake line brawl?
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
it happens more than you think...
and even in the minor leagues. that one was actually really tame, but that’s college hockey for ya.
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by garik16 on Jan 17, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm impressed with that one
Not only am I greek but also geek. And I [sadly?] giggled. :)
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
The IR
Based on the Islanders transactions, it appears that Montoya was never on the IR to begin with for his concussion. With DiPietro also being on the IR, it looks like the Isles shuffled Poulin and Nilsson between the Islanders and the Sound Tigers based on that roster spot.
yahoo!
Montoya has been DTD for this entire concussed period on Yahoo! Fantasy Hockey.
by Katzenhammer on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I noticed that too
And I may pick Montoya up in my Yahoo! fantasy hockey league around the All-Star Break. I’m not sure if he’ll get any starts before the All-Star Break (maybe one in the home and home against the Leafs next week), so if he’s available, I’m not in much of a hurry just yet.
Poulin
Unfair to judge him off last night’s performance. But equally unrealistic to assume that Montoya is automatically going to be a #1 for the rest of the season coming off playing a short patch last season and two injuries. In Poulin there are great expectations for the furure, but it may not be this season or even next. Bottom line any thing less than a #3 pik for Nabby is really giving him away, when in fact we may need him to keep us in some games. A rebuild needs good goal tending to help develop the players in games that we are in.
i'm thinking it's cappy's fault...
poulin shoud have played earlier, to help prevent the rust. sure, nabby was playing well but poulin needs work to keep the rust off, and to develop….if they were going to ride nabby, they could have kept nilsson up and kept using poulin in the minors. during back to back game days, i’d personally rather play poulin on the road where i think there is less pressure. overall, i don’t love the way the goalies have been used this year- plus or minus the injuries- and this is another example.
"….if they were going to ride nabby, they could have kept nilsson up and kept using poulin in the minors."
Yep. Another really strange move by our team.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Weekly?
that’s being nice, lol.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Very frustrating...
It makes you wonder…Too bad Peter Pan wont ever ask the pertinent questions. Such as, why did Poulin sit for an entire week when you knew he was gonna get rusty?
Nah, he's too busy admiring what other team's have
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 17, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agree 100%
but now garth has a 300 game winner to offer teams now…
KP should have played in the first possible game, otherwise, keep him down… i mean, i’m sure he was glad to have the increased pay and be up in the bigs, but sitting him for a week was absolutely atrocious…
who’s better equipped to handle sitting in that spot? the 15 year vet? who understands the value of playing the hot hand vs the guy struggling to get over the 900% save mark over the last 4 games, or the kid who just had his best professional hockey run culminate in a call to the big club… only to sit… then sit again… then sit again… all the while thinking "why did they call me up if they weren’t going to play me?
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Coach to Blame
I’m tired of hearing excuses from him.
1-Prepare your team
(Proper preparation promotes peak performance)
2-Shuffle the other lines until they work
(God forbid he gives up on Rolston and gives Nino the Ice time)
3-Call a timeout when actually needed. After we were down 2-0 in the first period…call it, and rip your players a new ass. A coach is a father figure, not a politician. Sometimes tough love works.
4-Show some fire.
I don’t believe you should go to extremes, but for Christ’s sake when your FRANCHISE player gets a stick to the face and falls backward? Then gets a DIVING penalty? DOUG WEIGHT’S reaction yelling at the refs “YOU F***D UP!” was justified. Instead CAPUANO calms down Weight.
5-Sit a player for a period when he screws up.
Accountability. Don’t wait until the post game interview to explain the team’s mistakes.
ok
1 you can have guys like staios rolston and eaton do lines of coke on the way out of the tunnel and they’ll still be slow, out of position, and lazy with passes… but at least the between periods interviews would be a blast.
2 can’t give up on rolston, i mean we can… but we have college kids producing the radio feed to save on costs, you think waiving him and paying him 5M to play at the bridge is really going to happen?
3 i agree somewhat, he’s used his TO’s ok so far, but in that case, i would have taken a moment to calm the kid down in net
4 in the immortal words of Peter Boyle… FIIIIIIRRRE BAAAAAADDDDD! so maybe we can call cappy Frankenstein from now on… i’ve been calling for him to throw a stick now and again, but it’s just not in his DNA
5 i believe he’s done that, not to the full period extent, but there were def games where grabs, blake, kyle, rolston all had limited ice time, the biggest problem there is we have ZERO depth for that tactic.
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by bob l on Jan 17, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd, because we forget who we are sometimes...
1. Why are Hamonic, Macdonald, Tavares, Moulson, Okposo and the other PLUS players PREPARED… are they more experienced?
2. Brian Rolston was here for stability. Pandolfo “won” a spot in camp, not because he was better than the younger players, but because he has a cap gap(Hit=$1.5M,Salary=$800K) and he gave them the same depth to allow Ullstrom, Rhett, Dibo to get healthy and help Thompson get rolling in BPT. Yeah, we’re all tired of the whole bunch of them, but thanks to injuries, and maybe some faith in the fact that it can get better they (and others) are still around. Mottau seems to have been ex-isled… that’s a start. When Donovan, Wishart or Ness can prove that they’re better than Eaton they’ll be promoted as well… but Eaton is a big cap hit as well… so it’ll be later when it fits better in the CAP MANAGEMENT scheme.
3. Come on really. He isn’t a RIP YOU A NEW A-HOLE IN PUBLIC kind of coach… it’s not going to happen. With the ICING RULE, he’s been using his TO’s much better than most.
4. I can’t say it any better than Bob. This was a team that was getting minors, majors and game misconducts for chirping from the bench… the coach doesn’t need to add to the problem. I’d rather have him blast them in the tunnel. Sure, he can argue a call… but you already have weight playing the drama queen… Maybe Cappy just lacks confidence.. maybe he should have jumped the bench and beat the crap out of Babcock… or maybe he should just focus on the things he can change.
5. The only player who seems to have immunity is Rolston… I wish I could answer that question. Maybe when Ullstrom and Rhett are in the NHL again they will have the depth to use their press box seating.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
@ JPinVA
1- Again this is the coach’s responsibility. From the get-go, figure out who had the BRAIN FART and take away ice-time.
2-Great Point with “Mottau ex-isled”
3-Me personally, I hardly even see him say anything to the players during a time-out. He uses it MOSTLY to rest the TAVARES line. MOst of the time an assistant is doing the talking.
4-When your most valuable player is STICKED to the face, and falls backwards, and gets a DIVING penalty… MOST PEOPLE WHO CARE WOULD LOSE IT.
I TRULY LOST ALL RESPECT FOR CAPPY on his politically correct reaction, and calming down Doug Weight.
Why?
A) This is your family! Again… “father figure”
B) Protect your players
C) His players would’ve respected him more.
D) An outburst would’ve brought a fine, publicity, and a message to the REFS.
E) If the refs keep thinking you’re a nice guy? They won’t have to answer for screw ups like that.
Give them hell once in awhile, and you’ll keep them honest and on their toes.
by Sal Interlandi on Jan 17, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I guess when Bob said it, it didn't mean anything.
1- Again this is the coach’s responsibility. From the get-go, figure out who had the BRAIN FART and take away ice-time
Where is the depth to make the changes. You probably don’t follow BPT, but they are just recently getting healthy again. If you want him calling out players more in public, SO YOU CAN SEE IT… I’d rather him do it in the locker room. The team seems to be playing well, and they still have basically the same talent as opening night. Let’s give the guy (and his staff) some credit.
I TRULY LOST ALL RESPECT FOR CAPPY on his politically correct reaction, and calming down Doug Weight.
I honestly don’t think his main concern is that YOU respect him. He needs to keep that team on the same page. Dougy flipped. I’m not saying that I didn’t want to see him flip as well… but sometimes it’s better for everybody if you flip in the tunnel… or you flip in your official evaluation… because this is the team that got a $100K fine last year because Cappy couldn’t keep Zeke mouth shut. Who knows what the parole agreement is on that. $200K the next time he has to be fined… would you want to pay that instead of waiting for a private moment to call an official an asshole.
Capuano is here. He has gotten this team to WIN with a similar talent level for two years. Young players are PROGRESSING under him, and he’s probably going to be here at least one more year. Get used to it.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 18, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Coach to Blame, maybe also players to blame!
How many Monday holiday natinees has this team bombed in in the past few years? Answer too many! WHY? Players? Coach? I don’t know but this is a bad trend! I’ll look up the stats and post it soon.
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 17, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I hear you but
This has been going on for a while now. Even back to the Nolan days, Gordon days and now Cappy. Monday matinees performances absolutely SUCK!
The Islanders web site had a page showing what the all time record for the franchise for a variety of things, like back-to-back games all time records, afternoon games, Monday matinee games, etc. BUT I can not find this now. Can anyone find this?
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 17, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
He had a different team, actually
But my goodness, from having to blog them I recall many a time they came out flat under Nolan. It happens in hockey. It’s usually not the entire team, either — usually a few mistakes that compound. One thing I’ll credit Capuano, they do show up most every game for him.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Jan 17, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly...
Proper Preparation Promotes Peak Performance
by Sal Interlandi on Jan 17, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Especially when reading it 5 times fast.
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 17, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
My kids 1st game this year...
We got our dogs, sodas, and before we even sat down it was 2-0 Nashville.
Way to go Islanders!
Maybe it should be incorporated in the Coach’s pre-game speech.
“There are plenty of kids our there who’s parents bought tickets to watch you guys PLAY, not just skate around like dummies”
by Sal Interlandi on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
"but we have college kids producing the radio feed to save on costs, you think waiving him and paying him 5M to play at the bridge is really going to happen?"
I think by now we all know he’s not going anywhere, and therein lies the problem. Most clubs would’ve figured out what to do with him long ago. Not the isles. He keeps playing and getting minutes he doesn’t deserve.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 AM EST reply actions
Some good stuff
in Hornick’s Skinny, including:
Matt Moulson is the first Islander since Jason Blake (4 seasons: 2002-03 to 2006-07) to have at least three consecutive 20-goal seasons. He is nine goals away from a third consecutive 30-goal season; no Islander since Ziggy Palffy has accomplished that feat. Moulson has 82 goals as an Islander – the most by any Islander since the lockout.
and
MOT-ley Crew? Since being put together nine games ago, Matt Moulson is 5-7-12, Kyle Okposo is 5-4-9, and John Tavares is 5-11-16.
Actually the whole thing is loaded with good stuff.
by afrosupreme on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
That 1st line sure is something to be proud of
Fun to watch too.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Watching live
I seem to perk up and expect a goal when the 1st line comes out. Looking forward to Ullstrom coming back because it seems hes got a shot to help the secondary scoring.
yeah, bailey looked way better with him around
But what will they do with Rolston? unless somebody gets hurt, i say Ullstrom stays down. We can’t live without the jersey connection.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yesterday's lines
I’m not going to lie, I was pretty pissed Grabner was moved to Nielsen’s line and Rolston moved to Bailey’s line. Grabs-Bailey-Martin was just starting to develop some chemistry, and Rolston-Nielsen-PAP was generating chances AND playing responsible defense. Pretty annoyed Cappy had to fuck that all up.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 17, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Ditto
I think what I would like to see is MMa/JB/PAP or Niño/JB/PAP.
And either of Martin, Ullstrom or Niño with FN and MG.
Martin can return to the 4th if that line is going to get some decent TOI by putting in Ullstom, Martin and a BPT call up like Colliton, Dibo or Rakh (when healthy).
I think last year’s early Flash O Bailey was when he was a linemate of PAP, and with a big body like Martin or Niño in there, it could really open things up.
I think Cappy is getting close to recognizing who needs to be where and the right chemistry (just what he said a couple of weeks ago about Pandolfo “knowing the deal” and the demotion of Rolston…and apparently Reese is in for Staios tonight.
Maybe a little late, but it’s a good sign.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
good point about Grabs developing chemistry w Bails and Martin only for Cappy to fuck it up...
I’d prefer they just switch the 2 lines all together…Make the Bailey, martin, Grabs the 2nd line and Nielsens the 3rd…
I bet you're right that Ullstrom stays down in lieu of Rolston...
I wish it wasn’t so…But the priorities of this org is all over the place…
Rolston... THE PUNISHER
It seems that when Capuano wants to punish a line he puts Rolston on the line. Of course, it could be seen as rewarding the line that gets Grabner.
It looked, for a while, that Bailey between Grabner and Martin was moving towards the second line designation in respect to secondary scoring. But Grabner’s success revolves around the creation of turnovers, and Nielsen is a turnover factory. They need to be together. When Ullstrom comes back, maybe they can create the two way dynamic that was working between Bailey and Ullstrom… but they need the balls to put Rolston on a fourth line… can’t you just see his pace playing with Pandolfo and Wallace…
There was no way I could see how bad that Rolston deal was going to turn out, and I don’t care how some (Ben, sorry, you just can’t defend this anchor in my eyes) will defend his average (at best) play. HE SUCKS, and he’s wasting a roster spot because they put too much on his plate. He’s no better than Wallace… but Wallace can be removed by a phone call… it appears that they need an audience with the Pope to get rid of Rolston.
36 GP 4-4-8(-10)… is that a $5M forward?
30 GP 2-5-7(-3)… may not be a great value at $2M, but he wouldn’t have caused so many problems as a fourth line RW… Hunter would have actually solved problems, rather than create them.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
no coincidence
bailey looked like poop for at least the first 1/2 of the game…
oh and btw, did ANYONE think rolston was really going to pass to bailey on that 2 on 1? HAHA
rolston does need to be on the 4th line, but i agree, i dont think they ‘embarrass’ him like that…
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"oh and btw, did ANYONE think rolston was really going to pass to bailey on that 2 on 1? HAHA"
I was thinking the same thing when it happened.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 17, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Rolston, Pure Weener 2
did ANYONE think rolston was really going to pass to bailey on that 2 on 1?
I was thinking of this…see Bailey/Rolston comments in continuation post.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
I thought that was Rolston's best play of the game
He nearly snuck that inside the post. Isles (and many other teams) seem to pass too often on a 2-on-1. (I don’t know statistics of conversion rates, though.)
Personally, when it’s a clear 2-on-1 with no back pressure, I like the fake-pass, fake-shot, d-man goes sliding, cut-to-the-middle-of-ice-for-a-better-shot play.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 17, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
The minute I realized that was Rolston with Bailey on the 2-on-1
I just shook my head. I would rather see Bailey shank the shot than see Rolston shoot it into the blocker. Rinne has all the size on that play, so forcing him to cross the net would’ve at least left him for vulnerable for a good shot.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Skinny Jeez
Hornick is the king of all stats media! My favorite in that post is (below) the career points as an Islander. Last year I ran with the Race to 100, which pointed out how long it has been (Thanks to the ass from mass) since an Islander draft pick scored 100 points in the uniform. Thanks to Garth we’ve moved past that era, and now have some continuity flowing on the ice.
With any luck all of these guys will be in the top 10 some day. That means adding Grabner, and keeping him and Nielsen together.
Career Points as an Islander
46 Miroslav Satan 166
47 John Tavares 164
48 Oleg Kvasha 156
(BREAK)
51 Michael Peca 142
52 Matt Moulson 141
52 Dave Lewis 141
54 Robert Reichel 140
54 Frans Nielsen 140
56 Bryan Smolinski 139
57 Kyle Okposo 138
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
Ahhh
Remember when that was a race to 100? Now we have a guy closing in on 200, and a bunch of others on 150.
Things are celerating and looking up.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
36 GP 4-4-8(-10)… is that a $5M forward?
Wow. And I might deal with those numbers if he played like he actually cared.
IMO, he’s the exact opposite of veteran leadership. He’s exactly what your young players DON"T need to see.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions
I'm hoping that $5M turns into a MONSTER* Dman FA signing.
*MONSTER used courtesy of Pierre McGuire.
I'll eat crow...
on calling for the expulsion of Doug Weight from behind the bench. The PP looks great when Rolston isn’t on it… and Dougy shows a little passion back there. But until HE and everybody else break ties with that lead weight I can’t help but think that Brian Rolston is the biggest problem on the team… even worse (now) than the poor defenive corps. At least they try, and may be managed to where the current cast is the best scenario.
I can think of so many configurations where Rolston is better as the fourth line castaway, or getting his mail in the press box.
They definitely have two forwards in BPT who would kill for the spot that he lumbers around with. How can somebody average ~2.25 SOG/GM when every time he touches the puck he launches it. He should have 150+ SOG right now… but all he does is scuff the boards… and really… how much damage can he do when he fires from around the blue line (sometimes his own) and there is nobody else even in the zone.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He probably does have 150+ shots
Just not on goal. There’s probably a way to find that through Corsi, but I’m on my phone and feeling lazy.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rolston, Pure Weener
That’s what I was getting at. SHots are not the same as SOG… I’m sure I haven’t been hearing it wrong for 30+ years… It is “get pucks to the net”, right… not “get pucks somewhere around (wow… even that would be better than what Rolston does) the net”.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
Indeed
You have to think that if he just took a liiiittle bit off of it, he be able to control it (or even get it off/through) a little better. I mean, it’s a monster shot, if he took 5mph off it, it would still be a force.
Although I guess that could screw mechanics up, but still, just freaking get it on net! I’d take 50-100 less shot attempts just to get the “on goal” percentage up and let some guys battle for rebounds/screens/tip-ins.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 17, 2012 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
pucks to the net
To be fair, Rolston does get pucks to the netting above the glass, so there’s that.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 17, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
behindthenet claims he has 4 goals 58 shots saved (62 total on goal) and only 16 misses! My only thought is some of his misses are so bad they don’t even qualify as a shot. Somehow 7 forwards have more misses. Some make sense, like JT who has double the shots as it is, but others, like Matt Martin are curious.
One caveat, those numbers are for even strength. For some reason they don’t have misses for the PP and I’m sure that would spike Rolston’s numbers.
by afrosupreme on Jan 17, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is there a
shots blocked column?
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I think that still goes off NHL arena shot counts
so it could be that the counters are terrible…which is common.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 17, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Other thing
I meant to include was look at it sorted by shot distance. Rolston is the only forward over 40 feet.
And it’s an interesting group inside 30 feet.
How on earth do people measure this stuff?
I’m amazed at the amount of data out there. You’d think we lived in a Matrix or something….a cat just walked by….oooh, deja vu.
by Les Beaver on Jan 17, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
OMG
They changed something Les! Get out of there!
by afrosupreme on Jan 17, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In fairness to Rolston
a bunch of that probably comes from when he was on the PP point.
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Good god
there are no words.
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ESPN on Tavares
This may be behind the paywall, but here is the explanation why JT didn’t make that 25 under 25 list:
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 17, 2012 12:42 PM EST reply actions
hey DP'sKnee, can u get the the bottom of this article? I'd like to know why his performance isn't as impressive as it looks...This asshole obviously doesn't watch JT play because his performance is better than his stats say...
Tavares, at 21 years old, leads the Islanders in scoring for the third straight year with 16 goals and 27 assists in 43 games this season, including a nine-game point streak. He also leads all Islanders’ forwards in time on ice per game (19:46) and was just selected to the 2011-12 All-Star team, his first appearance.
Bet you didn’t know that since the lockout only seven other skaters, in addition to Tavares, have amassed 160 points by age 21. Those seven are Jonathan Toews (No. 1 on my 25 under 25 list), Sidney Crosby (No. 2), Patrick Kane (No. 4), Steven Stamkos (No. 6), Anze Kopitar (No. 8), Alex Ovechkin and Evgeni Malkin.
So how can such a talented young player, who has accomplished so much in so little time, be left off a list of the 25 best players under 25 years old? Simple. His performance is not as impressive as it looks.
by KO21 on Jan 17, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair
…Tavares has one very good season (last season) and half of a great season (this one) to his credit. He was a sub-par skater his rookie season and not especially dominant. The writer mentioned how some other good, young players (Seguin, Benn, Duchene) were left off the list because they haven’t been really good for more than one season. So alot of this is that Tavares just isn’t old/experienced enough to have shown as much as guys 3-4 years older.
Just watching a few Bruins games early in the season, Seguin looked very dominant at times. I’d take Seguin and Tavares (and probably Benn) over some of these top-25 guys for their potential (and recent great play), but they haven’t accomplished as much as guys who have been in the NHL 5 or 6 seasons…. If an ESPN guy hasn’t been watching many Islanders games (how many of them have?), I can easily see JT being omitted from this list.
In other words, if players were re-drafted now, JT would be taken before many of these top-25 guys, I feel, but the criteria appear different.
If Tavares was left off of the All-Star lineup too, I may be worried about his confidence (probably not), but I don’t think this list affects JT or the Islanders going forward. If he continues to play like this, he will likely be in the top-15 on this list next season.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 17, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Some salient bits
For instance, Tavares has routinely started in the offensive zone at even-strength more than 56 percent of the time in each of the past three years. Across the league, only 27 percent of forwards have been given such an extreme advantage in 2011-12.
Fair enough. A Quality of Comp aspect may add perspective to that.
In addition, despite scoring fewer points, both Moulson and Parenteau have a higher Clutch Performance Index. The CPI is a measurement I developed of how much a player contributes to his team’s victories.
I guess this is like win-shares in baseball, if i am thinking of the right stat? Moulson has 5.4, PAP has 4.8. JT – 4.7.
Moulson and Parenteau also have more success defensively. When he’s on the ice, Tavares has failed to tilt the ice in the Islanders’ favor (Corsi%) despite the favorable starting position.
Goes on to say that his Corsi% gets worse when away from PAP, MM or KO.
Conclusion – all of this time we thought JT was boosting MM and PAP’s numbers, when really it has been MM and PAP pulling the strings all along. Bwahahah…
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by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 17, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
There's a discussion going on about this in the Gameday thread, too
tl;dr: It’s BS
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I have no idea what all that Corsi mumbo jumbo mean...
But any Isles fan, who watches JT, play every night, knows who is the motor that makes this offense run…
Hockey will always be half stats, half observation
Dive too deep into one or the other and you are missing the full picture.
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think what it says
is that PAPs KOs and Moulson’s corsi gets better, not that JT’s gets worse…but the thing is that whenever they have been separated, those guys play with Nielsen right? Go figure.
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Speaking of COZOs...
Did anyone notice P.A.’s tribute to his old teammate during the Predator game? We could call it a Parent-OZO.
by DanInDubai on Jan 17, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Kevin Poulin
Two of Nashville’s goals showed the advantages of scouting a goaltender without a lot of film. Kevin Poulin had played in just one game this season — and just 11 in his career. But that was enough for Nashville to know to shoot high on him. Their first two goals on Poulin were scored by going top shelf. Goaltending coach Mitch Korn is a big part of Nashville’s pre-scout on netminders. In the modicum of clips on Poulin, Nashville was able to exploit a weakness and get two big, early goals.
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in fairness
90% of goalies go down… making them like 0% of wives
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by bob l on Jan 17, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd because it's a funny line, but I think you are mistaken my friend
Not a wife, nonetheless I can’t imagine that to be true.
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They all say that
until the ring is secured.
Or so my older hockey teammates warned me since I was but a wee lad.
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I was going to note that the first shot was a logical location against any goalie
And the second one too, frankly.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
