Islanders 4 (EN), Sabres 2: Grabner, Tavares flatley shine
by Dominik on Jan 14, 2012 9:59 PM EST
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PrintThe New York Islanders outshot the Buffalo Sabres 40-25, Flatley outchancing them through all three periods and forcing Jhonas Enroth to Flatley stand on his head for 60 minutes.
Yet with under two minutes to play this one was in doubt.
That's when Mark Streit altered his puck pursuit route at the last second to avoid chasing the puck carrier behind the net, running into the net behind Evgeni Nabokov and getting called for a Flatley dubious penalty ... shot.
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Yes, under five minutes left apparently makes that call an automatic penalty shot. Thankfully Tomas Vanek hit the post, allowing the Islanders to preserve the 3-2 lead and even let Michael Grabner add to it with an empty net goal to seal a game they Flatley deserved to win. It was Evgeni Nabokov's 300th NHL victory.
The Islanders forecheck was eating the sloppy Sabres alive, but their finishing was falling short and it looked like the road team on the tired half of a back-to-back might steal this. But persistent pressure finally paid off and Michael Grabner finished a scramble with 3:03 left in regulation to grab that lead.
It was among many highlights. It's hard to judge just how much to read into any specific highlights since the Sabres definitely looked like the tired or careless opponent, but the Islanders have impressively controlled play for three home games in a row.
Game Highlights
Game Notes
It's not on the stat sheet, but it was a very nice night for Josh Bailey, who created turnovers and scoring chances all night long, in every period. Good presence of mind to recover the puck and make a backhand move on his first-period takeaway but Enroth robbed him with the glove (and Bailey's backhand, though high enough, probably needed to go a little further to the far post).
Not a bad night from Nino Niederreiter either, as he showed lots of little offensive, puck control, and defensive coverage glimpses that indicate progress for the 19-year-old. An interference penalty during a goalmouth scramble could have hurt with the score tied 2-2 in the third, but his instincts were in the right place.
The PK unit did well to pick him up, as that could've easily been a frustrating turning point.
Bullets and Such
- Holy cow Matt Martin, accepting the invitation to fight from giant Joe Finley. Not only that, Martin hung in there long after he could have cried "Uncle" as the big 6'8" guy sat back and relied on his reach to counterpunch. [Fight video at Hockeyfights.com]
- Patrick Kaleta met Andrew MacDonald on a 50/50 puck and laid a big check, drawing a poor call for charging. The Isles didn't convert on the powerplay (mostly at the beginning of the second period), but it was nice to see them get an officiating break. And though it was a bad reputation call for Kaleta, well ... I guess that's one reason not to carve out such a well-earned reputation.
- Every Islander but Steve Staios and Mark Eaton had a shot on goal. Travis Hamonic and Grabner had five each. (Grabner also hit the crossbar in what was about to look like a cursed third period.)
- MNM: Mandatory Nabokov Mishandle (Keith's term): After the Islanders grabbed the 2-1 lead on a nice play by Matt Moulson to make space for a streaking Kyle Okposo, Nabokov quickly gave it back with a properly intended but poorly executed pass behind the net for Mark Streit.
- Moulson also scored the first goal of the game (again), on a play that John Tavares somehow created both at the blueline and just moments later at the doorstep of the goal, drawing everyone as he collected the puck and calmly feeding Moulson for an uncontested one-timer.
- Oh yeah, speaking of which: Another night, another two points for Tavares. That's points in 8 straight for him, 15 overall in that span on 4 goals and 11 assists. With 42 on the season, he's back up to a point per game (and a minus-1, incidentally).
Flatley's Night
In case you didn't pick up on my Flatley cheesy and gratuitous references, it was Patrick Flatley night, as the former captain entered the Islanders Hall of Fame. Nice, quick ceremony beforehand (complete with Mark Streit getting the memo late to come out and congratulate him before Flatley led the team to the ice). Howie Rose really excels at emceeing these deals.
Cool to see the old teammates show up, including Mick Vukota as Flatley's invited guest to read his plaque, and the gang of classic Isles and friends in Flatley's box. He appeared to genuinely enjoy the treatment, and that's what these nights are about.
They talked over the game, which is unfortunate, but some of Patrick Flatley and Butch Goring's riffing with each other in the booth during the second period was worth the few minutes of intermittent play by play. They also aired a few snippets of the old "Heals and Flats Show" (or is it "Flats and Heals," heh). Among many highlights: The sweaters. Goodness, the sweaters.
Another highlight was an anecdote about Al Arbour [thanks to KO21 and afrosupreme for reminding me]. Butch Goring had asked Flatley if the Islanders asked him to change specific parts of his game for the NHL after he joined the team from Wisconsin and the Canadian national team. Here's how Flatley told it:
"One of my first games, I came over the blueline and made a drop pass. The drop pass didn't work out that well -- the pass was intercepted from someone on the other club.
Next morning in practice Al comes up and says, 'Hey Pat, that was a nice drop pass. You like that play?' And I go, 'Yeah' -- I didn't think it was that bad, too bad it didn't work out that time.
So Al goes: 'Pat, on this team Mike Bossy makes drop passes. Pat Flatley? He gets it deep. Do we understand each other?'
I said, 'Yep.'"
[Howie interjects: Did you ever make another drop pass? "Nope."]
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It was expected and perhaps even required given the circumstances, but everyone played well tonight. Strong effort all around -- a few breakdowns, of course -- and the Isles controlled play against an opponent who was vulnerable and ripe for such a display. That was their task, it was hairy until the end, but tonight they got it done.
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Good game over all
There was some sloppy play on both sides (I came in about half way through the second). But a good game for the Isles, and nice to see Nabby get 300.
Agreed
It seemed the more chances the Isles got, the more turnovers the Sabres committed, the more Enroth stoned them, the more they got a little leaky on the chances they did concede.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
So Dom
Are you saying we are playing the refs?
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 14, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure what you mean?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Waiting for the game highlights to work
I want to see the Streit penalty shot call. The conspiracy continues…
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
I'll say this
If it were the middle of the game, if Streit were exhausted, and if the puck carrier posed a scoring threat, I could maybe buy the call.
But he wasn’t even preventing a scoring chance or cleaning up a scramble the way usually happens on those calls. He just changed his route and nearly impaled himself on the net.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
wow that was a terrible call
even if you want to call the penalty I have no idea why they were given a penalty shot for that
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theory
the Islanders have a sizeable following, some of us must be betting on the team to win games
fixing games & sports events happens all the time (see crooked NBA refs, tennis match scandals, many horse races in the UK, European Soccer) – refs can be paid off to make essential calls – and the theory is the Islanders won’t make the playoffs anyway, so take advantage where you can
that’s all I’ve got
anyone know Bettman? didn’t he grow up an Isles fan? its out of control and patently unfair now
Someone should make a highlight video of all the atrocious calls against us this year.
Then send it to all the major hockey press such as TSN, Puck Daddy, and NBC Sports. Then send it to the NHL head office. I think most of us understand that the game is played at a very high speed so mistakes get made but not this many major mistakes.
The quality of officiating in the NHL is putrid.
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
I think
It’s a matter of the NHL not thinking much of the Isles games and just sending them the worst refs most nights, along with the Refs just not liking working the Arena.
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It was for our own good.
The NHL probably feels that we need to improve and therefore tried to help us with that call. The Islanders should be thankful for the league looking out to ensure us another high draft pick. I mean really, who did they think they were? Trying to beat Buffalo. I would not be surprised if the league suspended both goal tender and shooter for that play. So, yes the games are fixed, the refs have an agenda, but in a good way, for the betterment of all. Yea Bettman!!!!!!
Penalty shot part is automatic w/ under 5 minutes left
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Really? Damn. So even if it was unintentional? That sucks.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Well if you make the call, then the call is a PS instead of a minor
It still needs to be intentional though.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
according to NHL.com
its only a penalty shot if intentional – that was hardly intentional
as follows
Table 13 – Rule 25 – Penalty Shot
Summary of Penalty Shots
(i) Deliberate illegal substitution
(ii) Intentionally dislodging the net from its moorings during the course of a breakaway
(iii) Intentionally dislodging the net from its moorings when the penalty cannot be served in its entirety within regulation time
(iv) Falling on the puck in the goal crease
(v) Picking up the puck with the hand in the goal crease
(vi) Player on a breakaway who is interfered with by an object thrown or shot by a defending team player
(vii) Player on a breakaway who is interfered with by a player who has illegally entered the game
(viii) Player or goalkeeper throws or shoots an object at the puck in his defending zone
(ix) Player on a breakaway who is fouled from behind
Well, it's not a penalty at all if it's not intentional
Obviously this ref misread what he saw. He might’ve even though the turn was fine, but the final move was too much.
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So with less than two minutes the play is made a PS instead of a minor
Hm, that’s what I thought. Still a piss-poor call tho.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 15, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
gotta hand one thing to the officials...
that’s a lot to study for the exam.
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Agreed
looks like he lost an edge. That direction change didn’t seem to fluid.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
that rule needs to change then
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It's actually only automatic if it's under two minutes.
NHL Rule 63 — Delay of Game, reads in part as follows:
If by reason of insufficient time in the regular playing time or by reason of penalties already imposed, the minor penalty assessed to a player or goalkeeper for deliberately displacing his own goal post cannot be served in its entirety within the regular playing time of the game or at any time in overtime, a penalty shot shall be awarded against the offending team.
The key point, however, is “deliberately”. I don’t see how any competent NHL Referee, standing not ten feet away, could call that “deliberate”.
As an aside, has anyone ever actually seen Jack Capuano lose his cool on one fo these “screw he Isles” calls?
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 15, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
enough with the conspiracy theories already...
sure, he might have lost his edge (very arguable) but it was streit’s fault, he took a bad angle to the puck, it was completely unaided, and even when he did bump the next initially, he didn’t need to push it off all the way. he made no effort to miss the net what so ever. just imagine how many times the net would go off in the last few mins if that wasn’t the right call? dmen would be taking that line to the puck all the time…
Disagree - No Scoring Chance
There was no Sabre within 30 feet of the net. The puck was on some Sabre’s backhand being defended out by the halfwall when the penalty was called. Who dislodges the net “intentionally” under those circumstances? The intent of the rule is to prevent players from averting scoring chances.
B.S. call, never saw anything like it.
by rmblifn on Jan 15, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
intentional
means he meant to – which anyone watching could clearly see was not the case
intentional means to stop play when the other team looks like having a serious scoring chance
this was not anywhere near what happened
I wasn't making any conspiracy theory
When the statement is “how could a COMPETENT referee…”, Occam’s razor suggests that the implication relates to the competence of the ref, not any conspiracy.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Jan 15, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Bust
he should be at least 2
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
by Anarcurt on Jan 14, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
....but on this particular 8-game streak, he IS - albeit one point short, which I'll GLADLY take!
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Ten points
Off the league scoring lead, ten points from a playoff spot. Flatley, Tavares has to lead the league for the Isles to make the playoffs.
by kennyboy13 on Jan 15, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Probably more than that this year for JT. Stamkos won the goalstoring title in 09/10 with 51goals and his team still finished 4 spots out of the playoffs.
JT would have to burden a lot more for that to happen.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Good game for Nabby
- pik for him at deadline is a possibility.
SBN gremlin's gonna getcha
(Has to do with the # character, I believe)
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
.....what's GRABS got to do with that, anyway? LOL
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Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I thought I saw some
Grabner -Fransy – Pap line in the 3rd period.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 14, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions
they really need to change up the 2nd through 4th lines
I don’t understand what they like about the combos they’ve been starting with
or starting Eaton over Reese – lets try Martin with Bailey & Nino – and Grabs-FN-PAP would be fine
can we not put Rolston on the 4th line? is that illegal?
the rolston effect
poor frans and paps getting stuck with rolston. rolston just continues to kills good plays. whether it’s a nice breakout, a nice passing play, a nice cycle in the offensive zone…whatever, as soon as rolston gets involved, the play is dead. he’s such a huge handicap out there it’s embarassing. whoever plays with rolston must recognize it too.
Of course they do
I’m still betting they can’t stand him.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 15, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
yet he plays
is this really a budget issue – is that what its come down to – Wang is going to insist on sticking to the cap floor
he must have an exit strategy at this point then in his mind
Martin did the best he could in that fight
But that guy had way too big a reach for him to get many good shots in.
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
He shouldn't of even fought him. When they both left the penalty box, I was like why bother?
He spotpicks already, so fighting a guy with 5 inches and over 30lbs on him who has enforcer written all over him.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
"seems really weird and possibly stupid."
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
i was actually impressed with Martin in that fight
held is own pretty well against a much bigger goon, and Martin is evolving into a decent bottom 6 winger. In a few years when he is better established, he won’t have to fight as much on rep alone.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 14, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying he got destroyed in the fight(he lost), but he fought a heavyweight enforcer, which isn't smart.
That’s a guy Gillies should fight and Martin shouldn’t think twice about fighting. I liked him spotpicking, but this was a time he definitely shouldn’t have fought. He should better spot pick.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
have to agree to disagree on that one
i liked it
by CanadianIsleslifer on Jan 14, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that fight was awesome
And people fight guys bigger than them all the time.
I was actually very impressed with Martin in that fight. I think Gillies would’ve beat Finley bad.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 15, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
....I think it was useful in further establishing a reputation for diligence & courage.....
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Are we consistently outplaying other teams? This is beautiful. Our offense is rocking.
And this game wasn’t close if Nabby didn’t let in that stupid out of the net goal. But besides that, Nabby played great. Congrats Nabby on #300!
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
If you call 3 in a row
consistent… then OK. But then look at the 3 before that where we were lucky to come away with points in one game, and then didn’t bother showing up for the other 2.
We’re still consistently inconsistent.
Amateurs practice til they get it right. Professionals practice til they can't get it wrong.
I hear you, but 3games in a row of outplaying the other team is something rare from a bottom of the conference team.
Obviously we aren’t the bruins, and 3 in a row for a team like us is a beautiful thing to see.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
And we have a worse record then them....
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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Saw that after an intermission. I was worried he hurt himself again.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
.....it would be really nice if most of our goaltenders didn't display Vaudevillian tendencies!
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Refs were bad on both sides tonight too.
Miscalls on both sides. I recalled at least 2 X’s where we had too many men on the ice in front of the ref.
And Gerbe is a little prick. He gets away with anything because of his size. Juice played him like he would play any forward, and right after when the puck is out of the zone, Gerbe interferes and crosschecks Juice against the board 2 or 3 times with the ref staring directly at them. Cheap little bastad. Looks like we have the next “little prick” of the NHL, aka the Briere award.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Jan 14, 2012 10:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I hated his guts when I was at BC, and anyone who saw my repeated KILL THE MIDGET tweets this evening knows exactly how I feel about that little POS.
by Nick (LetThereBeLighthouse) on Jan 14, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
One of the worst officiated this season
And that is saying something. Refs missed a blatant well behind the play cross check into Nino’s back as he was coasting to the bench on a line change. Don’t know if the camera’s caught it but it was dirty.
Stay classy Buffalo.
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 14, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Weber, he also was the guy that blatantly tripped Nielsen in front of the Sabres net when the play left the zone.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Looked to me like Weber stuck his knee out on Nielsen….which is of course much worse.
by Nick (LetThereBeLighthouse) on Jan 15, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't surprise me. The man racks up penalty minutes.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
And Gerbe is a little prick. He gets away with anything because of his size. Juice played him like he would play any forward, and right after when the puck is out of the zone, Gerbe interferes and crosschecks Juice against the board 2 or 3 times with the ref staring directly at them.
He absolutely gets away with that because of his size. And I dont think its a coincidence that he was busting the balls of the biggest non-fighting guy on the team… it was almost a “haha I can do this, what are you gonna do about it” kind of thing. And he is right- if Jurcina had done anything to him, he would have gone flying and the Isles would have been down a man.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sort of along this topic
I’ve seen Jared Spurgeon play a number of times the past two years (including tonight in STL vs. MIN) and while he by no means plays like a prick — kinda wish the Isles had signed him! — he appears to get away with penalties others don’t because of his size.
As if the ref stares at his size in disbelief and declares, “It can’t be so.” Picture a sort of reverse Chara (going from when Chara was young and clumsy, and would get called for being Lenny or something).
All of which pisses me off because Jack Hillen never got the benefit of the doubt.
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I believe your anger is misguided
You’re disregarding the all-important Islanders Factor, wherein the so-called “benefit of the doubt” is cancelled out by one’s wearing of an Islanders jersey.
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Rest peacefully with the knowledge that if Spurgeon were an Islander he wouldn’t get the benefit of the doubt
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
LOL to both of you
I’m SO trying not to go there.
But these are why every little PR hit hurts. It’s going to take a while. Like two consecutive winning seasons.
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Holy cow. Spurgeon is playing 21min/gm and on the verge of a 30pts season for Minny? Why didn't we sign him to BP?
I know he’s getting a lot of PP time for that offense, but he looks to be better than Katic and Ness as far as small d-men go. Garth just keep the wrong ones? I’m not saying Spurgeon is gonna be a gamechanger, but damn wouldn’t it be nice to have spurgeon over any of our bottom pairing d-men right now. (Same for Hillen, but that dead horse is beaten already)
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Anybody
can be a game changer just by not being Staios, Eaton and Mottau.
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Well, Staios, Eaton and Mottau are game changers
Not in the right direction, but still…
by Kaonashi on Jan 15, 2012 11:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
another garth blunder...
a very signable player who could have been playing decent mins for us. wups.
Jack Hillen? How about FMIV?
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What I love most
is that so far this year, he’s gone after Nino and Jurcina, and they both had the dame type of reaction…like they both were freaking out over a little bug or the elephant that saw the mouse.
He’ll eventually develop the rep…remember Chara/Fleury?
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Flatley should've dumped the puck deep one last time...
by KO21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:41 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
It was
I shoulda posted that in the recap. Maybe I’ll add it above.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Okay
I went back and watched to get the transcript right. It’s added above, for anyone who missed it.
Certain things have to be preserved.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I used to watch the games with my cousin back in the 90's and we used to always joke around saying "Pat Flately, gets the dump of the gae"...
Because all he ever did was dump & chase..I will be honest…Back then, I used to question, why this guy was the Capt?
Thoughts based on the highlights
- Nino looked good, hopefully he’s coming into his own.
- Bailey has got to bury that. He makes some great plays but needs to work on his shot.
- Good to see Grabner get some goals. Been playing better lately, maybe he’ll have another strong January.
- I think JT is going to surprise some people at the All Star game, he’s rolling right now.
- The penalty shot call against Streit was horrific. Could’ve cost us the game, glad it didn’t.
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
I think he's learning the speed and the 2-way abilities, but he's always had the offense. You put him on JT's or Fran's line and I think he'd be on a 15-20goal/82gm pace.
Was the rest of his game NHL ready though? Didn’t look like it. Nino wasn’t NHL ready or he wouldn’t be on the 4th line. Rabble rabble rabble, lol, but honestly Nino would have best been served spending top minutes in juniors then he would of on a 4th line for us. He also wouldn’t have got a frigging concussion either there. End rant.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
He did light up the WHL
Would he be better to stay a year? Maybe, Maybe Not. I do think his game has progressively gotten more “conservative” and I am a fan of that. He’s buying into the system and has started to adapt a more two-way game. I’m impressed with his strides at such a young age. Although they’re not “sexy plays”, but he does a good job of covering on D for pinching defense men and also back-checking.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
It's such a fun process to watch for me
I think there is a consensus in Portland that he could have more to learn there, but of course that view is biased for Portland. I think even given that there are things he could also probably learn — and learn more quickly — in the NHL.
I think he doesn’t help the team on the NHL roster for the first half (the two injury layoffs being additional factors) … but can he learn enough here, or can he be a nice help by the end of the season who is better prepared heading into next season? I think it’s quite possible.
Wish he could be in the AHL but don’t think there is a single tried-and-true method for dealing with the two alternatives. (And I even think there’s something to the theory that you want him learning against similarly big bodies now, rather than against bodies he can cheat on with his size in the W.) So given that he’s here (which is def. a debatable decision), I don’t mind how he’s being used and trained while here.
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by Dominik on Jan 14, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly
The only other argument is the Josh Bailey Conundrum. Since he’s not lighting it up in the NHL, does his confidence disappear and start to second-guess everything. He was drafted to be an offensive threat and not a role player. While I’d like to see him have a 25+ goal impact in the NHL, I feel its important for him and other prospects to take it slow and realize that its a whole different breed up here. Learning solid 2 way plays and adapting to the speed of the game are the baby steps I’d like to see.
I think its important for everyone to re-evaluate their expectations for Nino. While some 5th overalls are absolute studs (e.g. Vanek), there have been numerous, documented here at LHH, players who have ultimately become role players. His time will come and I think he’ll be a consistent threat for a long time to come.
The Juniors argument has many views. My opinion is that scoring 50+ goals on “boys”, again, isn’t going to truly benefit his development. I agree with you regarding AHL. It’d be nice for him to atleast play against some bigger bodies down there where he can be a MUCH larger impact player and to be a leader down there.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
Yeah, I think with the size already being an attribute
He needs to learn how to create space against bigger bodies and better checkers to unleash the shot that is the asset that might make him a top six.
Again, this points to how the AHL would be perfect — he could get more minutes, more opportunities there — and I hope they hold that option open for next year. To whatever degree the whole confidence thing plays in, I’d hope that’s available.
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We should have sent him to college with Anders Lee. lol
Sneak him on a team.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
One thing I've always been shocked that Wang hasn't done
is help turn Hofstra or Stony Brook into a D1 school and basically use it as a junior hockey program. I’m not even really sure that it’s possible, and may violate NCAA rules, but if it doesn’t, it’s a damn good idea I think.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 15, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How are NYI-Hofstra relations generally?
Obviously there’s the radio/media marriage, but that wasn’t exactly a first resort.
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I have no idea, but I do know they had to close down one of their big programs(football?) due to money problems I believe.
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Yep
Football Team was broken up a few years ago. All the players transferred to UMASS and other CAA schools.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
Yeah, outside of the radio deal, I have no idea
I know at Stony Brook there is the Charles B Wang Center. So he’s obviously already donated heavily. They have an ice hockey program there already (I believe it’s D3 though). And they are the Sea Wolves..which look remarkably like "Sound Tigers.
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Good topic
This is a great topic to be debated on this forum. Long Island is ripe for a D1 program. Youth hockey is strong and fairly well funded, Newsday finally covers high school hockey as a sport (and believe me, this has been a struggle- note that both St. Anthony’s and Sayville/Connetquot are ranked by Newsday in the top 10 for ALL winter sports teams on all of Long Island), and we have produced several good NHL players.
Stony Brook has an excellent D1 Club program. But for anyone to be a true D1 program, you MUST build a rink on campus, or you have no chance of recruiting any good players. Stony Brook probably has the space to build it, not sure about Hofstra, but I doubt it.
By the end of the season I believe he will be allot better...
he is steadily progressing…Especially over the last few games…He will eventually need to be moved up to a more offensive line, IMHO…You can see he has the instincts to get in front of the net…The problem is his line mates can’t get him the puck, down low…If only we had 3 JT’s…You can’t underestimate JT’s ability to calmly pass the puck…Weather its a slick pass or a calm pass like he did last night to Moulson..He made 2, short but calm, passes, in sequence, to assist, on Moulsons goal….That play was glanced over but most players would’ve panicked..
But the thing is he lit up the NHL "with" ryan johanssen(a 1st line talent center) and struggled without him:
I would really like to see what would have been capable of without an elite center talent on his line this year. A year playing top minutes in juniors without Johanssen and rounding out his game I think would have helped him more then a year on the 4th line.
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If it makes you feel any better
He’s not even playing with a center right now
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
demote rolston
and put up nino…he deserves it.
The Streit call should have been a penalty, but not a penalty shot. It should have been a delay of game. Streit didn't do that intentionally from his body language. Imo.
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It's automatic by rule, apparently
That late in the game.
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It's only ever a penalty
if it’s intentional. If the penalty comes in the last five minutes, it’s a penalty shot.
by afrosupreme on Jan 14, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Isn't it just delay of game if they think it's unintentional? I'm confused.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
If they think it's unintentional
it’s just a whistle and a faceoff somewhere (depending on which team knocked it off).
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 14, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Bailey
I was frankly just impressed that he was able to pull off a composed move after intercepting a bouncing puck while in a blocking rather than skate-with-the-puck position. That he got a high backhand off was a plus. He made the goalie work.
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by Dominik on Jan 14, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
It was a good effort, no doubt about that but if he gets a better release on the puck it’s a goal. I know there was defensive help coming for Buffalo but from what I can tell the puck wasn’t bouncing on him so he could’ve gotten a better shot off. Margin of error in the NHL is so slim, the little extra bit of skill makes that play go from “that was a great chance” to “wow what a goal.”
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
There was this guy/kid sitting in front of me at the game who was bitching about Bailey all night.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
People bitch about Bailey all the time there.
Almost as much as they bitch about DP. He is scapegoat #2 for your average fan apparently. But he is making some nice strides. Happy to see him turn the corner, gain confidence, and gain grit.
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by OzzyFan on Jan 15, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's funny
With all the Flatley pomp and circumstance, the first thing that came to my mind was how I remembered people bitching about him when I went to games as a kid…
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
I remember a Milbury time (pretty sure it was Milbury anyway...sounds like him)
there was one year of overlap where Flatley was demoted…and the reason given was that if he wants playing time, he’s going to have to more than kick the puck up and down the boards. I remember being pretty mad about it.
Like, who is this coach jackass to go after the captain like that.
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I hate to say it but I never understood why he was the Capt...
The Isles hand out HoF honors to easily, IMHO…
Broadcasting is a better fit for him, personality-wise.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 15, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Alert the LHH Police!!
for complaining about the years mismanagement…
I thought Bailey had a very nice game
Two almost-goals. Responsible. Good positionally.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 15, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he's coming around.
I hope he can take it up a notch. Because if he can be anything more then a defensive forward, the future looks a tad brighter.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Not to be creepy but were you in 313 by any chance?
I wasn’t there tonight but there’s a tool there who always drinks a tad too much, stands up, and starts yelling at everyone except JT (and actually gushes over him). Occasionally he’s funny, but usually he’s annoying. He bitches about Nino a lot too.
Anyway, I think he just enjoys the attention. Except we all usually ignore him so…
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
I'm in 311, and yes that guy is annoying.
At the Red Wing game, my dad and I started moving around sections a bit to scout different seats for next season tickets…anyway we sat in 313 and my dad thought that was the best view of the game…and then that idiot started yapping away. Another “spotlight hugger,” I swear if I had a flashlight I’d shine it on him since he loves attention so much.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
Yeah he was particularly bad on Tuesday
But otherwise 313 is a great section to sit in
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
.....that makes me suspect a hand-to-eye/persistent confidence deficiency.....
…..which IS, slowly, working itself out for Josh – in other words, he may be having trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time, transitioning from playmaker to scorer mode as the opportunities rapidly present themselves – certainly wouldn’t be the FIRST but, really insane rapid-fire sorts of exercises might markedly improve his reflexes…..I’m of the opinion that, like Martin, Bails makes himself valuable in ways other than offense, more nights than not…..
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You see what Im seeing...I was saying he needs a little Moulson in his game...
quick decisions to shoot of pass…He’s always trying to be too cute…He has the skill to be a really good player…
That was a patient play...Sometimes he's way too patient where he waits too long to shoot or pass and he ends coughing it up..
He needs a little more Moulson in his game…
Streit
what’s the deal with randomly deciding to hump the side of the net anyway?
he looked out of it all game – the camera caught him on the bench a few times looking withdrawn
I’m now very concerned about this guy
I assume this is all in jest
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mostly
but I haven’t seen too many people skate into the net, that’s an odd mistake for him to have made
Looked like he tried to change direction quickly and partially lost his edge.
by afrosupreme on Jan 14, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he played another nice game, mostly
Liking his decisions much more lately.
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by Dominik on Jan 14, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Me, too
He looks way better than he did… and I think him looking better when the other guys have been playing better team defense is no coincidence. When Streit doesnt feel personally responsible for trying to compensate for everyone else he looks better.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
.....so, does that make Streit another KJ then?
…..maybe the Islanders should deliberate a lot more before awarding the C to defensemen…..
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Good post although thats what Capts are supposed to do...
feel personally responsible for everyone else…
Yea
I think he’s both dialed it back a little in recognition of his limitations, and has improved physically at the same time. Good combination.
I agree...MS has looked so much better of late...
What a relief that is…For a while, there, he would make at least one bone headed move per game…
crazy game...
glad the isles won. they took just enough advantage over buffalo’s poor play. as much as i want to say they played great, they really didn’t dominate as much as we’d like to believe they did. the sabres were flat out awful and deserve an earful from lindy ruff. besides that:
- grabner-bailey-martin line played well. i really think the grabner-bailey relationship is going to work out well.
- matt moulson. biggest unrecognized all-star snub.
- JT. what a great little pass to the defenseman, then a sweet short pass to moulson for the goal. there are no words for his vision, hands, and hockey sense. i love watching every second he’s out on the ice. i haven’t felt that way about an islander since ziggy.
- KO!!! he’s playing the way we all hoped he would. being with JT and moulson has made the huge difference in his game.
- i still support A-Mac through his poor play and mistakes. i hate to see him taking steps back and i hope he can become more consistent like he was last season.
- Martin got pounded. i give him a B for lasting till the end.
- congrats Nabby. he’s been playing well and i’m happy he could get 300.
- lame ass penalty shot call. i was appalled.
a good start heading into the second half of the season.
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Little fun fact.
One fan who sits a few rows in front of me has a cool collection of jereseys, so far I’ve seen this year from him:
-Tavares juniors/Oshawa Generals Black Jersey
-Tavares World Juniors Team Canada Red Jersey
-Tavares Blue Home Jersey (the one everyone has, lol)
-Richard Park Home Blue jersey
-Michael Peca Blue Home Jersey(I believe, it was either him or the person sitting next to him)
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Tavares, Tavares, Tavares, Park, Peca… One of these is not like the others…
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Its one of the Tavares, isn't it?
The third one…no no, its the second one. The second one.
by Isles2011 on Jan 14, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's impressive
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Yeah, I thought it was worth noting. Do we have any clue of what the all-star jerseys will look like this year? I assume I'll see a Tavares one on him sooner or later?
In fact, it might even be worth getting one(me) if the price isn’t sky high.
PS-Martin seems to be a big seller with the younger crowd. I’ve seen a lot of his around lately.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Don't quote me on this because I hate the All-Star Game and will only watch kicking and screaming
But I’m pretty sure I saw somewhere that they aren’t changing the design this year.
Which would be either a sign of excess inventory or a most unusual failure to grab money.
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Thanks. We'll find out soon, lol. I wonder when Tavares is gonna get picked by the captains(if he isn't one).
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I would punch someone on air.
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by Dominik on Jan 14, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My money is on Duguay
No Sleep 'til....We Find Some Secondary Scoring
Peter?
OH NO! DOM’S COMING DOWN FROM THE BOOTH! AND HE’S GOT A CHAIR!
by afrosupreme on Jan 15, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Nearly shed a tear tonight
There were a lot of Buffalo fans there tonight and each time they tried to start a chant in the sections near me (324), the little kids started with a high pitched “Let’s Go Islanders!” to drown them out. Thing of beauty.
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 14, 2012 11:27 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
There was one guy who kept shouting during the game like he was watching it on TV. I was just laughing everytime I hear him.
“Nice save Jonas”
“Let’s go Buffalo”
“Good job tyler”
“Come on Drew”
“Come on refs”
“Refs you suck”
lol. Must have been a long walk to the parking lot for him after that loss.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Let the kids play ref! Let em play!
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
I feel like there is a limit on how many player first names you can shout out loud
I’m thinking one, maybe two. Unless you’re the mother of one of the players.
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Or unless you're first name's Pierre or your nickname is Chico.
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL, exactly
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.....guilty as charged:P But HEY, if we diehards can't be possessive of 'em, who CAN?????
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I really hate you all.
How you just talk about going to an Islander game, like it’s no big deal.
;-)
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 15, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
The minus? We are on Long Island.
We need SOME kind of perk.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
All i have is a nice beach
And weird looking redneck people with cars that look homemade.
And say Ole instead of Oil. And Perty instead of Pretty. ;-)
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 15, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome Grabner
Michael Grabner grabs40 9m
Easy there haha "StapeNewsday: On approximately his 5,755th golden scoring chance in the last 2 games, @grabs40 puts one home. #Isles"
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Balls
Michael Grabner @grabs40 9m
Easy there haha "@StapeNewsday: On approximately his 5,755th golden scoring chance in the last 2 games, @grabs40 puts one home. #Isles"
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 14, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Was gonna say
Grabner’s mastered the sarcasm font!
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by Dominik on Jan 14, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Fucking even better!!!
Matt Martin @mattymarts17 1m
Haha @stapenewsday so your saying @grabs40 has had more scoring chances over the last 2 games then you have twitter followers? #whereskatie
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 14, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Oh my god, Matt Martin is the king of twitter face palms
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by Chris McNally on Jan 14, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
feel like that one's going to get him in trouble with kimber
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
.....it doesn't take MUCH - but hey, Kimber's been good to ME.....LOL
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Oooh, game-set-match
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Matty standing up for his teammates on and off the ice!
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 15, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
I just shot water out of my nose
Martin is officially one of my top 3 favorite players lol
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Staple
Love his sardonic mid game tweets regarding the crap officiating. Very affirming for Isles fans.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 15, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
It's been wild
Can’t tell if he’s serious or pandering, but he doesn’t seem like the pandering type.
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I agree
I am not familiar with his prior work but many have commented that he’s pro-Ranger or doesn’t want the Isles beat. I have found his coverage very supportive (from a fan perspective) almost to a fault.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 15, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
This definitely makes up for the Flyers loss
It still sucks losing that game but you take 3 really strong performances at home, get 4 points out of them, and your 3 opponents are the Red Wings, Flyers, and Sabers. I know the Sabers aren’t upper tier right now, but those are still 3 tough opponents and 3 solid performances by the Isles. I’ll take a 3 game stretch like this every…well…3 gmes
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by Chris McNally on Jan 14, 2012 11:58 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
One more win and we can be in 12th place
baby steps….baby steps. haha
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
lol. We start talking about high-end draft picks right when we are turning it around a little.
Imagine we finish in 20th place now. With some of the team’s in a drought, it could certainly be possible. We are 25th in PPG right now (6th worst).
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I sort of suspect they'll finish in the low 20s if the goaltending holds up
This would be the year they have relative health.
Their relatively friendly schedule travel-wise, the JT line, preseason thought of 20-22, bubble of other ugly teams. They could easily do a run that puts them in 23rd or so and pisses tankers off.
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I think tanking for another top 5 pick would be detrimental for upcoming FA
We have a hard enough time attracting talent, but consistently having top 5 picks without showing much improvement doesn’t really make a case haha.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
I still don't think anyone comes here unless the money is right or we made the playoffs the year before.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Anyone know
if the Isles have scored 3 even strength goals in a game this season prior to this? (I guess 4 if you count the ENG).
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Tampa Bay Rout early in the season?
Just a guess.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
Yeah, just checked
all 5 were EV.
http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20112012/GS020038.HTM
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
lol nm
looks like that was last year? hahah
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
Never mind, im an idiot
saw roloson’s name and got confused
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Haha
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 15, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's correct
They had 5 in the wins against Tampa and Washington, and 4 in the wins against Montreal, Dallas, and Detroit
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by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
More than I thought really
How are you finding that?
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 15, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
I looked through the game log on cbs sports
and checked every game hey scored 4 or more goals. cbs sports has the easiest game log to look through quickly
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by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
He's using magic
It’s in the mod guide.
NHL’s game-by-game view is useful for some purposes (but still horribly inadequate).
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hahaha
i actually dont have the mod guide. ive been wingin’ it.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
By denying the existence of the mod guide
You are following the mod guide. Well done.
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by Dominik on Jan 15, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It's so hard to find those specific weird things
like all the stuff that comes out from elias like “On wWednesdays on the road in fog, player x has _ (statistic)”
I wish there was a good search engine for crap like that. Hockey Reference is pretty good, but still tough.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 15, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I find it very ironic that the day Witt got hit by a truck and played an nhl game later was in philadelphia.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
whatever are you saying?
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by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
We need to put a guide together
Because I never remember, but CBS, Yahoo, nhl, ESPN — they’re each good for certain specific stats, but nobody has all the crap you want in one good place.
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I tend to sit down and research that stuff if I have a feeling it'll be an interesting stat
the horrible thing is when Im wrong and the stat doesn’t reflect what I was looking for at all. Like I said the game log on cbs sports is good bc it lists the games individually and goes back 6 seasons.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Does hockey reference
have the same paid advanced search baseball reference does? I think you can do exactly that kind of stuff.
by afrosupreme on Jan 15, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
They do have a play index
It’s not as good, primarily because the database isn’t as extensive for hockey statistics, especially historically. Save %, for example, was not officially kept in the NHL until 1981 or 1982.
The Hockey Summary Project has a lot of old boxscores entered thanks to the diligence of several freelancers – I don’t think the data has been accumulated, however. It’s as close as hockey gets to Retrosheet, however.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I'm pretty sure they have
I think I remember noting it, esp. when the PP was not doing as well.
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Outstanding addition with the Flatley story!
Pat Flatley gets it deep..ha!
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OMG KAPPY SHOAS NO PASHUN FEYER HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that that’s over with, to anyone who ever said that he shows no fire or passion or anything from behind the bench, he seemed pretty livid after that Streit call. And he’s had his team playing great hockey over the last three games against some pretty tough opponents (when you’re in last who isn’t really).
Second-line Rolston or not, I still think he’s the right coach for this time. At least for the time being.
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 12:17 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I admit
I’m a bit of a flip-flopper on my stance on Cappy. I have made some frustration posts bashing him, but I think the reality is that he hasn’t really been given a “win-now” roster to work with. I don’t think firing a coach for not being able to make this team a cup contender with the players given is quite fair. I liked Burke’s quote a few days ago about GM’s who do that. As I said earlier in the season, we gave Sterling a season and a half. Think Cappy deserves just as much. Plus mid-season firings rarely work out.
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by mikefromVA on Jan 15, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think it's a fun pub topic
In that it’s fun to jaw about but one we rarely have the evidence we need to make any decent conclusion.
I see him as a caretaker coach for now — because the talent isn’t there, and usually a coach doesn’t last long enough to see when the talent arrives, and even if he does he gets “tuned out” when the rise stalls and he’s been around too long.
I’ve just seen this cycle too often and I don’t think they’re at the point where they need a traditionally detailed taskmaster. People point to Hitchcock, but (in addition to my firm belief Hitchcock wouldn’t have come here, not after CBJ) he had a very talented team that already sunk two coaches — one a taskmaster/teacher and one a smart, more player-friendly (and young) coach.
At this point I see him as fine because he’s not actively screwing up and the players are performing under him. When there’s not enough talent to make a meaningful difference, I want a coach who doesn’t make them even less happy to report to work. As they get better where (if assumptions/external guesses are true) a better teacher will make a difference, that’s when I’d burn the “change coach” card again.
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by Dominik on Jan 15, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'd just go off record alone (barring a major injury to a top player on our team).
Isles finish better than 26th=keep him.
Isles finish worse than 26th=get rid of him
Isles finish 26th=flip a coin :-)
I don’t know. He has the offensive talent, the defense is shotty, but the goaltending isn’t bad(when healthy) to be able to finish better than 26th(5th worst). That’s how I wanna gauge him, based on record.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
'shotty'? I do believe you just made up a hybrid word, Ozzy!
‘shoddy’ + ‘shitty’ = ‘shotty’…..
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ha you totally went 180 from what i said
I just feel like Capuano is having his strings pulled. And if thats what Garth and Charles wants then maybe he is the right guy for the job
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by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, just everyone who wants his head
I don’t see the evidence where he is actively hurting this team. He makes some mistakes; most coaches do. It’s an active, in-the-moment job.
I also take the long view on these matters and don’t see now as the time to make that next move. The whole “guy who’s been around the block” think — that’s actually one of the reasons the Blues dumped Payne and pulled in Hitchcock (who Armstrong is also buddies with), but that was also their way of removing any last excuses from their young players before starting to ship their asses off in trades and regrouping.
(And, I always feel compelled to note, timeline-wise the Blues were at the bottom during the Islanders last playoff appearance.)
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Your take makes a lot of sense
and i dont have a problem with Cappy at all when it comes to game management. Every coach does a thing or two here and there that’ll make you scratch your head. And I know I’m summing up what you’re saying here, but he’s basically a babysitter. I think the major decisions come from above and Capuano is like your 1st grade teacher that was so nice and sweet and taught you that if you take 2 bad shots and add 3 bad passes you get 5 scoring chances for the other team.
For this season he’s fine bc I think the goal for this team is .500. But come next year the playoffs need to be the goal, and to make the playoffs we need more than a chaperon.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Even my sweet old grandma flips someone the bird every once in a while
I don’t have anything against Cappy on the bench, but I don’t think he’s the right guy for the job right now. This team needs a guy who can push buttons and not be afraid of upper management, a guy whos been around the block a couple times. That’s not Capuano.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
I think you're right...
But Garth probably doesnt want a coach with those positive attributes…That might be a blow to his ego…
he is clearly the man for the job
He led his sub .500 team to 2 wins in 3 home games and managed to get upset at a ref who called possibly the weakest penalty shot in history. C’mon, if you like him, that’s fine, but really, he proved nothing tonight. And did you like how he cowered from babcock moday night. He was afraid to look at him. What a wuss. No wonder he hates putting haley in the line up….too confrontational for his liking.
by randyboyd on Jan 15, 2012 12:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And did you like how he cowered from babcock moday night. He was afraid to look at him. What a wuss.
I assume this is facetiousness for effect.
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It must be
Otherwise it’s one of the more confusing comments I’ve ever read, which is saying something.
by afrosupreme on Jan 15, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
What's he supposed to do? Hop over the glass and start pounding him?
Besides, there’s not really much when you can do when the other guy’s method of attack is the fearsome clap.
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
*much you can do when
I should really preview my comments before I hit post
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
I would have smiled and looked in the other direction from him in all honesty.
That would be the best. Smiling or looking at him does nothing but recognize his response. Smiling away from him says it all. He should have by all means looked away.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Haha, I agree
But I more so meant that Cappy wasn’t really “cowering” away from Babcock, as it’s kind of hard to cower away from someone clapping at you haha.
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
What would AL Arbour have done?
I know he wouldn’t have called that time out in the first place…But if an opposing coach tried to embarrass him in front of his team what would he do?
He couldve told him to "STFU, I'll run my team and you run you're, BabCOCK"...
Cappy looked like a guy who cut someone off in his car and didn’t want to look at the guy in the opposing car because he was road raging…
Oh please.
I dont know why you wish our coach did bizzarre, mental things- like have a 4 goal lead but start cursing and screaming at the other bench because he claps at your actions. The Isles coach would look like a nutbag if he did things like that.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
oh please...
stop making as if Im insane….I didnt like how babcock dissed Cappy…I was pissed…I wouldve said something back…Please get off my case, MC..
U shouldn't always take me so damn seriously, either...
Im on Cappys side..
Disagree a little, and sure there will be a few who disagree with me
Last night was important on a couple of fronts. Cappy has spoke about this “team toughness” and many have poo-pooed it, but just calling some things to light here, he’s gotten Bailey, PAP, KO, JT, MM and Martin going with the physicality. None except for Martin were doing that.
What you saw last night was Martin taking on a guy who out-sized him by 6 inches and 50lbs…subsequently, you saw JT and Moulson giving facewashes in scrums against bigger opponents. That “hitting back” mentality is contagious when you see it. Makes you have less fear about going against someone who only outweighs you by 10 lbs.
All of the above are going to the dirty areas. Bailey is hitting with authority, PAP is agitating, Amac is beginning to be more physical as is Streit and Jurcina. KO is going to the net hard and is scoring goals I didn’t think he ever would because he is no longer playing “on the perimeter”. Something is clicking now and these guys are beginning to play like Cappy wants them to (W/L results notwithstanding). If they continue that trajectory, they will get the results they want.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 15, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
BUT THEY'RE PLAYING WITHOUT TEH PRESSURE!
They're, like, 10 points out with half the season to go and a bunch of shitty teams between them and the playoffs. So clearly, there's no pressure at all.
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Cappy looked like he wanted to hide from Babcock...
I was embarrassed…AL Arbour wouldn’t let an opposing coach show him up like that in front of his players…
This is all in your mind, KO.
He wasnt “shown up” at anything.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think Cappy would have gone to the Detroit side of his bench and mouthed off
but he forgot his raincoat and the amount of spit coming from Babcocks mouth assuredly would have ruined Cappy’s sweet, sweet ’do
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by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
When Babcock was yelling at Cappy, slapping his hands, while his team looked at Cappy, from their bench, it was showing him up...
That’s exactly what Babcock was doing…Making everyone look at Cappy and trying to make him look like a dunce…
and Im not saying Cappy looked like a dunce or not...
Im just saying that Babcock dissed Cappy…Dont tell me he didnt…
He won 5-1.
He ignored Babcocks dopey clapping for the Isles reaction to his goalies stupid play for icing.
How did he get “showed up” in your mind?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Babcock was drawing attention to Cappy...
He tried to make him look bad…Whether it worked or not is up for opinion…But to say Babcock wasnt trying to show Cappy up, is wrong, IMHO…
It was useless because he won 5-1
The only argument he needs is “scoreboard.”
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Babcock was Drawing Attention to Babcock
Best thing to do was just ignore him. And that’s what Cap did.
by rmblifn on Jan 15, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was Babcock...
…who appeared as a fool in front of his players. He was distracted by a timeout called by the opposing coach. He jumped to the conclusion that the timeout was called in order to embarrass his team. (The team that is about 20 spots higher in the standings! What sense does that make?)
If I was Babcock, I would have had something to say to my own players during that timeout.
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 15, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Should He Have Hit Babcock with His Shoe?
Sorry, but been there, done that.
by rmblifn on Jan 15, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, I think he likes Haley
I don’t think Haley being in Bridgeport is his choice.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 15, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Probably already said...
…I’m a little tipsy back from a party. This is probably already said, but….
Was Streit’s knocking the net off intentional? No.
Was it reckless? Yes.
After Buffalo interfered with Isles 4 or 5 times (including knocking the net off, including Gerbe Baby interfering with Jurcina, including interfering with Nino), HOW DO YOU CALL STREIT’S KNOCKING THE NET OFF A PENALTY SHOT??
Isles dominated, so I’m happy. They got the win. JT was amazing. He’s the best puck-hounder the Isles have. Best puck-handler. Best vision. 2nd best scorer (behind Moulson). His puck-abilities were magical by his sophomore year. Now he can make magical turns. I’m just waiting for JT to be able to magically check the opponent from 50ft away. Then we can crown him, “King of the Rink”. He will be our Lundqvist, and we shall be his people. In the morning we will wake up and thank the LORD for John Tavares. We’ll say, “We are not worthy, but if you will grant us another Tavares highlight, we will not stray from the Island.”
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 15, 2012 12:36 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I love tipsy posts
There was a moment tonight where Tavares — whose improved skating I’ve watched all year, mind you — just spun and burst laterally before clearing his way around a D-man while carrying the puck. He created something out of nothing and I had to double-take to confirm it was JT.
That progress is scary.
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What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I saw Kyle Okposo shining up his paddle
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by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No more, Mr Nice Guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aEi6c8cWI
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by mikefromVA on Jan 15, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
JT
A couple of untutored observations:
-His puck control and passing are at an elite level.
-He has cut down on trying to do too much with the puck. Early in the season, he would often try to singlehandedly bring the puck into the zone, out-maneuver the D and try to score. Now we works with his linemates a lot more, even more so with the addition of KO.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 15, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
KO has been a huge boost for JT
Now he a guy who can pass him the puck…Paps is good but KO is better
They also work different sides of the ice.
PAP and JT like to take the same lane as they enter the offensive zone; KO’s entries complement JT’s entries.
KO also possesses the puck deep in the offensive zone better than PAP. (PAP is okay, but is more comfortable facing towards the goal with the puck, whereas KO creates a lot when he starts by facing the boards with the puck.)
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 15, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I rec'd this comment because, if nothing else
You’re last paragraph reminded me of Nail’s interview at the WJC. And I believe the only reason for this connection is sleep deprivation.
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't wait till JT is so far ahead of Duchene we no longer even hear people trying to make a debate that we should of picked him or he is better.
Duchene was brought along slow and JT was thrown into the firepit(competition wise). And JT has grown and Duchene hit a huge set-back. It’s starting now but it will be till the end of time:
JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene
JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene
JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene JT>Duchene
JT>Duchene!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Jan 15, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'd for alcohol-infused creative kookiness
…and of course for Gerbe Baby. How awesome is it that that little schmuck has a last name so fitting?
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
I was disappointed in the fan reaction tonight
I was at the game. The fans acted like Pat Flatley was someone they never heard of. The inter-period entertainment got more applause.
Flatley is one of my favorite players. Always fought hard, played at both ends of the ice, both sat in the shadows behind greater talent and shouldered the scoring load. A great addition to their Hall of Fame.
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You know, it's quite possible most fans *hadn't* heard much about him
He doesn’t show up in the highlights we force down their throats all the time.
I appreciated him closing his speech with trying to rally the fans for a game.
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Plus
he played a lot with that other guy-whashisname? The one with the show with the kids.
by afrosupreme on Jan 15, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
:He doesn’t show up in the highlights we force down their throats all the time."
I was thinking the same thing.
With the addition of Westfall and Flatley, it looks like they are trying to remember their history other than the 4 cup years. We see those highlights so often, I think a lot of people forget about other great players in our history.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 15, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think there are fans who probably would have been more excited to see Ziggy there.
But I think he was a good choice- Zig would have been the other choice IMO.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agree
All the games I’ve been to this year (aside from Morrow’s) crowd has sucked… You could hear a pin drop. A chant starts and fades out 3 seconds later, no fun
by jlm11092 on Jan 15, 2012 1:23 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
My voice for screaming is weak now after yelling at so many games and concerts over the years, that I really can't chant well anymore.
But I’ll clap my ass off for “let’s go islanders!”.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Soon Weight and Guerin will be inducted into the islanders hall of fame. You watch. :-)
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
That's kind of my point
I’m waiting for Mike Watt night
Maybe they can let him take one final shot off the plexiglass
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Great seat available.
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by PGI on Jan 15, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The only reason is he was a Capt...
But I never understood why he was the Capt either…
yeah.....there were NO shortage of players emulating Bobby Ny on that '93 team.....
…..I mean really, among Nineties leading lights, shouldn’t Pete be seriously considered for Islanders HOF inclusion? Or Stumpy? Or Kaspar? And most of all, ZIGMUND?
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This is the Islanders org's fault...
Flatley shouldn’t be in their HoF, IMHO…Its called Hall of FAME for a reason…Flatley was a roll player and he was never a great player…
Oh my GOD.
Its a fucking plaque in a hallway.
Why do you have a proplem with that?
Why do you have a problem with- everything?
I dont get it! Why when the Isles win are you just complaining and complaining?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
what are you talking about? I dont have a problems with everything but I have many complaints about how this team is run...
When they win I don’t complain…If they are gonna hand out monuments like hot cakes it doesnt put much value on that honor…Do u see the NY Yankees just handing out honors to anyone? Lets have some pride…
If u dont like my opinions then ignore me…
When they win I don’t complain…
?????
Um, huh? They won this game.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Im not complaining about the win...
You are making stuff up, again…U seem to do that allot but complain when others do that…Practice what u preach..
and don't berate me again, please...
U are not the LHH police…You are not the only one who wants this team to succeed…Im just not wearing blinders….
I am not berating you, KO.
You are of course allowed to hate the coaches guts- which you obviously do.
I just cant believe how often this is brought up, win or lose.
None of the people here at LHH hired the guy.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
What are you talking about? Stop making stuff up. Just because I'm critical doesnt mean Im not a fan. You're blinders are darker than mine...
When did I say I hate the coaches guts? I am on Cappys side. I think he makes some bad moves and he needs to show some passion. But I am a fan and hoping he gets this team to win.
It was an exaggeration, for sure.
But honestly KO, you do complain a lot about the Isles even when they win. It not meant to berate you at all, but it is true.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that they won a game doesnt erase that there is alot to complain about.
I used to be like you…I’d defend almost everything this team did…But after years of head scratching moves I have grown jaded…
Honestly if you're going to capitalize fame
then Flatley has more of a place in there than youre arguing. If it was a Hall of Production then maybe he should be left out. He played 13 seasons for the Islanders, was captain of the team for 4 of them. Only 5 Islanders (Bourne, Gillies, Nystrom, Potvin, and Trottier) have played more games in an Islander uniform than Flatley.
To true Islanders fans, Pat Flatley is pretty FAMOUS
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by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It's a nearly invisible printing of his name on a banner and a plaque in the hallway to the locker room, which has approximately 20 visitors per game
His number wasn’t retired. He doesn’t have his own banner. What could honestly be the problem with this? And, of “all the things wrong with the organization,” why is this the one that stands out to you the most?
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 15, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Seriously.
rec’d.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
This place is the exact opposite of IPB...
Over there all they do is bash the Isles…Over here, if you criticize them, u get jumped on by the LHH police…I should just be a kiss ass and conform…This place would really be fun, then..
Where is the alleged no complaint zone here?
Ive never noticed it- which IMO is a good thing.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Heh- hardly.
In fact, I think that theres enough to complain about with this organization that focusing on things like this just doesnt seem worth it.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 16, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Im a Yankee fan so I guess Im expecting too much...But Its the ipidemy of the way the org is run...
they honored the 1993 team like they won a cup…Even Aucoin( i believe it was him) when he was interviewed mentioned how it was kind of strange they were celerating a failure…If this team was built on a tradition of winning then mediocrity wouldn’t be celebrated…
Teams that have never won anything pay tribute to past players and even retire their numbers officially
Just because the Isles have had a dynasty they are supposed to blow off any other heart and sould guys who have played for the team and they shouldnt even put a little plaque in a hallway?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Its a slipery path...
Where do u draw the line if Heart & Soal players are on the list? I also didnt see it that way, in Flats…He wasnt a special player, IMHO…He was never a difference maker, IMHO..
IMO? You draw the line at retiring numbers officially.
If they wanted to have little plaques all over NVMC for players who were valued by this organization that would be fine with me.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 16, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
The 1993 team was not mediocrity
And just because you do not win the Cup does not mean you are a failure. Not a surprising sentiment from a Yankee fan.
For those that remember the pre- and post-Turgeon years, 1993 was a great year. Knocking off the best team in the playoffs. Volek’s goal is probably the hockey moment I remember best.
The purpose of a team Hall of Fame, as opposed to the real Hall or retiring a jersey, is remembering the players that made you want to watch the games week after week, win or lose. It’s a place for third-line guys. Although Flatley spent many years on the 1st beside LaFontaine (for lack of anyone better).
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by ct17 on Jan 15, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I appreciate what you're saying...
I am a Yanks/Giants fan and I might expect more than the typical Jets/Mets fans…I don’t think thats a bad thing…I enjoyed the memories about the 1993 team but even Aucoin said that it was kind of strange that they were celebrating a failure to win the cup…Also, I am not someone who thinks that if u dont win a championship it is a full out failure…
they were one of the last four teams standing
it’s not like raising a banner to the 2002 or 2007 Isles.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 16, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd just like to add, to this already tired thread,
that a lot of people said the same thing about the Yankees retiring Don Mattingly’s number. That, compared to Ruth, DiMaggio, Mantle, et. al., that he didn’t accomplish that much.
Meanwhile, to two generations of fans (including myself many, many years ago), Mattingly WAS the Yankees, and the idea that he didn’t belong among the all-time greats was absurd.
I went to Pat LaFontaine night when he was elected into the (real) Hockey Hall of Fame. To me, he was the player that made me a hockey fan and it was great to see him and the team share a joyous moment. And there were idiots behind me booing him because he was traded to the Rangers and played for them for 4 months.
My point is, teams can and will honor who they want when they want. Any time the fans can get together and say, “Hey, man. Thanks.” to a player and he says thanks back is nice.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Jan 15, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Donnie Baseball was a great player on bad teams...he is borderline HoF material...I don't like you're analogy...
Flatley < Mattingly by a mile
I actually think the organist makes it worse.
I don’t remember ever chanting Flatley’s name at a game. We don’t need the friggin organist to get respect and appreciation “going” for a NYIHOF inductee. You stand up, you clap, you cheer…enough with turning every event into an prompted chant.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
That being said...
I’m very happy Flats got honored. No, he didn’t blow you away with goals, championships, or whatever typical HOF criteria are, but he was a leader, and a – I don’t know how else to say it but – a real Islander, and was so for a long time. And unfortunately that is rare for this franchise.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
Sort of Related
Anyone got a link to a vid of Poulin taking a tumble? Need a good laugh haha.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
Don't know if anyone caught it. It was right before the 2nd period when they were coming on the ice.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Even when i'm outside the land of Time-Warnerville...
… I still can’t watch the Isles play (mandatory dinner with relatives). The only TV on had some martyr being led to slaughter at the Roman coliseum the Pats-Broncos game.
I’ll do my best to update the FIGs before the next game but i might not get home in time.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 15, 2012 1:10 AM EST reply actions
That's still going on half a month later? Damn. MSG/TW may carry this out a while.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
It's to the point that Time-Warner is offering customers a chance to watch the Knicks on the road...
… At Time-Warner Arena, of course.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Jan 15, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I lve in florida, and can watch MSG whenever I want.
But you can’t. How ridiculous.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 15, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
One more observation
Did Butchie say LaFon…?
I didn’t know he had permission.
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 15, 2012 1:53 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
LOL!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't
I went over recent broadcasts and apparently this is the 5th time hes attempted to say LaFontaine but only the first time he actually pronounced it correctly.
The New York Islanders: saving their best for the wrong conference since '05
by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
And another
Wasn’t the hit on AMac in the 1st BLATANT interference? The Isles announcers were acting like it was a clean hit.
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 15, 2012 2:49 AM EST reply actions
That was exactly the way I saw it
The Sabre ignored the puck, and did not play it, which was how he caught AMac off gaurd
I think that play is allowed...
You’re allowed to lean into a player when you’re both converging on a puck…Maybe Im wrong
by KO21 on Jan 15, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, I watched it again
It was closer than I thought. From the reverse-angle replay, you can see it clearly. The puck hadn’t quite arrived. Whether it was within playing distance is debatable. Kaleta didn’t even pretend to try to play the puck, which is what made it look suspicious originally to me…. The ref probably called charging because Kaleta had some launching-motion in his check— even though he hardly left his skates, and that right after contact. I wouldn’t call charging.
It’s the type of play I could see Staios getting called for— a borderline minor.
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 15, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure
mostly because it looked like Amac was actually trying to take a run at Kaleta, and Kaleta saw it coming and gave Amac the worst of it. I actually thought it was a horrible call.
by afrosupreme on Jan 15, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
That was a bad call...
Not sure if I agree that Amac was looking to run the guy, tho…
Looking ahead to 12-13
Looking ahead to next year, one of the main problems I see with this team is the failure to convert control of play into goals. Since late November, the team’s play has improved. But how many times has this team absolutely dominated play but ended up with a 3-2 or 2-1 loss? Aside from the first line, this team simply doesn’t seem to have the talent to consistently score on NHL level goaltending. The question is whether the addition of Strome and the continuing maturation of Nino, Ullstrom and, yes, Bailey, be sufficient or will the team need to go outside the org?
Sure the defense is barely mediocre. However, it’s shocking how many other teams have equally piss poor defense. Given the scarcity of capable D, it may be more realistic for the team to add a talented forward than defenseman.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 15, 2012 10:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We absolutely need at least one more finisher on the team like Moulson...
Grabs was that guy last year…He gets so many chances but he doesnt bury many like he did last year…I hope the solution comes from within but no matter what they need to find one..
Grabner
Seems to be having the same season he did last year, quiet at first, then a ton of chances and no finish, and then he broke out, let’s see what happens
by jlm11092 on Jan 15, 2012 11:16 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
I hear ya but we need a guy who's as consistent as Moulson...
A guy who doesnt turn it on after the playoffs are practically out of reach…
Look at the PAP-Nielsen-Rolston line
If Isles were to replace Rolston with a goal scorer, that line produces WAY more goals. Even just a crasher like Martin or Nino may work for that line, because Nielsen and PAP are both good set-up guys.
"The reader of this sentence exists only while reading me."
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 15, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Secondary scoring and 2nd line center.
I agree that other than the inablity of our Defense unit to consistently get the puck out and up the ice to the forwards, secondary scoring is a major problem.
Frans is great but he’s not a 2nd line center. Bailey has played better of late but, only has 3 goals and this looks like the second year in a row that his goal total will go down. Frans has 7 but, has a few PP goals. Ten goals between the two of them is not enough.
It will be interesting to see if Strome is the answer here. But, I don’t think that will happen right away. We may need to wait for 2013-14 for Strome, Bailey, Nino and others to develop.
This is the most progress I've seen Bailey make,
…it just isn’t translating to the scoresheet yet. I think next year, if Nino plays in the NHL and not the AHL, I could see Bailey between either Nino and PAP or Ullstrom and PAP. This will help Josh put up both goals and assists. Unless of course PAP isn’t here next year, which would suck. I think Grabs should stay with Frans against top competition, also so Grabs has more gas in the tank for PK duty. Grabs n Frans get Nino or Ullstrom next year, Bailey-PAP get the other.
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
anyone see
Nabby’s face when Peter said he was wrong about his first career win?
by jlm11092 on Jan 15, 2012 11:18 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I think
Peter was right (for once). Still a bad interview.
by afrosupreme on Jan 15, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Annoying.
Theres a way to be right without acting like Nabby’s 2nd grade school teacher correcting his “А Б В Г”s
I replayed the interview when I got home and at least Howie saved Nabby some face in the response.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
notice most comments are positive tonight except for about Peter Pan?
We shouldn’t be subjected to this dick on our station.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 15, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
He is not employed by the New York Islanders.
Perhaps, just perhaps, you could complain about who hired him and pays him?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Look guys
You obviously don’t agree on…well…most anything. But to comment on each of each others comments constantly and then argue about it is a little pointless.
The New York Islanders: saving their best for the wrong conference since '05
by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with KO on lots of things.
But it is a simple fact that Peter is not employed by the New York Islanders. Theres no agreeing or disagreeing or opinions in that.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't the statement of fact in your headline
it was the body of the comment that perhaps, just perhaps, seemed like a little pot stirring
The New York Islanders: saving their best for the wrong conference since '05
by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
He was wrong, and I corrected him. Not sure why thats a problem… he has a zillion other things he will be angry at the Isles organization for, this just shouldnt be one of them.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure how Im wrong...The Isles can get good coverage if they wanted...
You act like the Isles org has no blame for anything….
Peter is an employee of MSG, not the Islanders.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
If the Isles wanted the very best coverage they can get then they can demand it...
Our excuses are our own.
The Islanders cannot demand jack shit.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 16, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
More reson to dislike that clown.
This guy is a bad look.
Deb was awesome. But I guess New Jersey is a step up. Who knew?
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 15, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
The Isles do nothing to change the stigma that we're a 2nd rate org.
except signing JT
Devils are a Step Down
Anybody else read that they’re no longer staying in 5-star hotels on the road to save money?
I havent seen anything about the Devs tightening their proverbial belts.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
nothing wrong with the Red Roof Inn
They’ll leave the light on for you.
You should've seen her face. It was the exact same look my father gave me when I told him I wanted to be a ventriloquist.
It's all due to their new assistant to the travelling secretary
George Costanza.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
That interview made me laugh pretty hard.
Nabby is awesome. I wish he got interviews more often.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Jan 15, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
He has a great personality. I’ will say it again, if by some miracle we can crawl back in it, he would be a good leader to have.
Did I just say that?
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 15, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry Tebow
Bossy was busy watching the Isles game last night.
by Kaonashi on Jan 15, 2012 1:59 PM EST via Android app reply actions 2 recs
Saw Keith RT this
Jordin Tootoo @Jtootoo22
Short trip to Long Island and now watching some playoff football. Not much else to do out here in the middle of now where.
Stuff like this drives me insane. This is coming from a guy who grew up in Manitoba and plays for Nashville. I’m sure Nashville is a lovely place but is not on the same level as the NY metro area in terms of entertainment, unless of course you really love country music. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he just doesn’t know how to use google maps to see that he’s less than 40 minutes to Manhattan from Uniondale…
Definitely a poster at Lighthouse Hockey until 2015, then maybe somewhere else.
by ArsenalLI on Jan 15, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
What a stupid thing to say.
I just said something (FWIW):
NHLArenaNYIsles
@Jtootoo22 40 mins out of the heart of NYC is the “middle of now where” in your mind? Sorry NY isnt a fascinating place like, say, Manitoba.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
The guy was born in Churchill
played hockey in Spruce Grove and Brandon and now plays in Nashville and a half hour drive from the largest city in the United States or Canada and he’s in the middle of nowhere. I guarantee you theres more to do on Long Island that involves electricity than the overly populated 923 citizen Polar Bear Capital of the World, Churchill, Manitoba.
Guys need to get their head out of their asses.
The New York Islanders: saving their best for the wrong conference since '05
by Chris McNally on Jan 15, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I come from a small town in the middle of nowhere
And LI is not the middle of nowhere.
my only hope is some day he gets sent to the AHL and gets stuck in Syracuse, Rochester or Binghamton. maybe he can get a house on the ERie Canal.
Still waiting for a GOZO
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 16, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Home White Jersey
Anyone else get a kick out of the Islanders wearing their white jerseys at home last night? I wish the league would let them go home white.
Comic Book Writer by day; Islanders fanatic by Gameday
It was very enjoyable :)
The Sabres gave them permission to wear them and, in a nice gesture, the Isles offered to pay to ship their jerseys as a thank you.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 15, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
1980-81
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
1981-82
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
1982-83
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
