A Fork in the Road for the Islanders
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
-Robert Frost 1915
"A few years ago we knew we'd go through some rough patches...and what doesn't kill you will make you stronger. We're going to keep working at it, both as a staff and as players, and we're going to get better every day. This is a team, to me, that can rattle off several wins in a row."
-Garth Snow 2011
A look at the standings will show the Islanders are in a precarious position. They currently sit 10 points behind the Pittsburgh Penguins (that's surprising right there) for the final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference. They also sit only 1 point above the Carolina Hurricanes for the worst spot in the conference.
While 10 points is not an insurmountable lead, the fact is the Islanders are closer to the absolute bottom of the NHL (9 points away) than they are to a playoff spot. With 42 games left in the season, history shows that the Islanders can not afford to fall any farther back if they have any notions of making the playoffs.
The NHL's biggest point differential ever overcome during a season to make the playoffs was 12 points, done by our current Islanders forefathers back in 1993-94. It gets even dicier for the Isles because the greatest point differential overcome since the introduction of the shootout was 11 points, done by the Sharks in 05-06 and the Blues in 08-09.
So the Islanders clearly don't have any wiggle room being behind by 10 points at practically the midway point of the season. That makes the next two weeks pivotal as to what the Islanders will be playing for in the final two and a half months of the season. The Islanders have 8 games upcoming before the All-Star break, 7 of them against Eastern Conference foes, including a handful of games against teams they need to climb over to get to the playoffs.
If the Islanders can't make up any ground, or worse lose ground, by the All-Star break, then management will have to make a decision. They could continue to play the current team as is, try and rattle off several wins in a row like Garth Snow thinks they can, and continue chasing the pipe dream that would be the playoffs.
The other option, a month before the trade deadline, would be to try and shed some of the players who do not figure into the Islanders future plans, give the players who do figure into those plans regular playing time and responsibilities, and continue to get better every day, like Garth Snow suggested they should be doing.
Obviously the cap floor will figure into those decisions (unfortunately), and there will be little to no value for any of the players deemed expendable. Evgeni Nabokov would probably fetch the best (and only) ransom, and the rest (Rolston, Reasoner, Pandolfo, Staois, Jurcina, Eaton, Mott...my fingers are getting tired from typing, but there's a lot of guys) wouldn't even fetch us a $25 gift card to Sizzler.
But if the Islanders hit the magic 12 points out of a playoff spot by the All-Star break, it will be important for the players that the team will count on in the future, to use the rest of 2011-12 to grow. This would include Nino Niederreiter getting more than 9 minutes a game. It would also include seeing a healthy David Ullstrom getting 3rd line minutes, and Michael Grabner and Josh Bailey seeing an increased role in the team's offense outside of 3rd line minuites. It would most definitely include keeping Kevin Poulin up with the big club, and making him part of a regular goalie rotation.
And if sending a gaggle of veterans the way of Jon Sim, and releasing them, helps free up time for the team's future players, then it must be done. If we're getting nothing in return for any of them, and they're not going to be on the roster next year (and let's hope that's the case), then it doesn't hurt the Islanders one way or another to cut the cord on these space fillers and provide some on the job training for their younger talent.
Even with a slew of teams to leapfrog, the Islanders have every reason to come out firing the next two weeks and try to cut their deficit to as little as they possibly can. Will all the ups and downs of the 2011-12 season, the playoffs are still an obtainable goal. But the Islanders have an uphill battle, and that battle needs to start on Thursday against the Flyers.
Come the morning of January 25, the Islanders will be at a fork in the road. A path will need to be chosen and followed into the off season. Maybe Mr. Frost's words will be heeded. Because for the good of the future of the franchise, Islanders management will need to choose wisely.
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We need to do something
This season could be another “oh well season”, or it could turn out differently. Either way, some progress needs to be made somewhere. Sure, Tavares is becoming “my brain can’t fathom how talented he is” good, but other than that where are we progressing? Last year the team made huge strides, and now look at them. Perhaps I’m just looking for something positive right now, but I am hoping for more than a top five draft pick this year.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
I think last year
better play, even if it didnt lead to a playoff spot, was looked at, for good reason, as the team making strides. But this year that won’t cut it. I feel like for people to feel good about this team they need to either get that last spot or come damn close to it. Anything else will be a failure. So with that being the case, I’d much rather the team assess that they won’t be making the playoffs and dump the dead weight now.
But like 90% of the fans out there, Im still hoping they get themselves in the thick of the mix somehow.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I came to a fork in the road...
and I picked it up. It was silver, so I went to a pawn shop and sold it. I can get a plastic fork, or eat with my hands.
- Garth Snow
and gave it to my buddy who said he could make it into a golden fork. And he did…so I went home and got all of my silverware, and gave it to him… and he said he would turn all of the forks into gold… that didn’t really work out so well.
- Jeff Wilpon
and I made it into a roach clip.
- Tommy Chong
and I took two prongs out so it would look like my smile.
- Michael Strahan
and I said the fork couldn’t lead me anywhere… so I quit.. and stabbed all my teamates in the back with the fork.
- Tiki Barber
and I picked it up, and looked for something to eat with it.
- Prince Fielder
and I tried to figure out it’s value through assessing how much time it spent on one side of the road as opposed to the other.
- Garick
and I tried to see which one led to the I Dream of Jeanne episodes circa 1965.
- JPinVA
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 11, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions 13 recs
You are
scary good, my friend. Scary good. I bet a trip through your mind is like the boat ride in Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory.
Being born in New York and rooting for the Islanders, Jets, and Mets. Yeah, I know.
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by CharlieIsles on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks...
but the boat moves too fast… or I surely would have thought of these…
hey, a fork… SNACKTIME!
- Rex Ryan
and I decided to go both ways…
- Anne Heche
have you ever noticed that people will always pick up their peas with a fork…. when a spoon would be so much easier. Are we so lazy that we can’t just put down the fork and pick up the spoon, or is it that they don’t want to get the spoon dirty… is the spoon SPECIAL… like SACRED SILVERWARE…
- Jerry Sienfeld
and its head was down… so I hit it!
- Dion Phaneuf
that f***in’ fork isn’t better than you… you’re just too f***in’ lazy to go out and take the f***in fork. Let’s see some balls out there boys… that f***in fork is yours tonight!
- John Tortorella
I could continue to wear my mothers make up, or become one of the best actors of my generation… so you know which one I took… but I still steal her lipstick on occasion..
- John Leguizamo
which side of the road is Frans on.
-Dominik, LHH Hockey
I open up the blade to make the goalie think I am taking that road, then I pull it to my backhand and you know the rest…
-Frans Nielsen
so I shoot it from there… is that wrong?
-Brian Rolston
shoot or pass… pass!
-Josh Bailey… you’d think that would make the last two a pretty good pair… except the fork comes at their own blue line most of the time.
what a great place for a snow angel.
- Mike Mottau
left… right… no.. left… no… right… no… OH F****… HOLY MOTHER OF GOD I PULLED IT AGAIN.
- Rick Dipietro
she loves me, she loves me not, she loves me, she can trade me to the Red Wings at the deadline…
- Evgeni Nabokov
I took both roads… twice… and I’m back at the fork again before you’ve even made up your mind.
- Michael Grabner
FORK? You wanna go?
- Zenon Konopka
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 12, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
the passer and the shooter
you’d think that would make the last two a pretty good pair… except the fork comes at their own blue line most of the time.
So much truth there.
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Like Anne Heche’s career.
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A Poker Buddy
who I met in Atlantic City in a tourney, and helped convince to do some post grad work in Richmond, was on the soaps with her (love interest)… Nothing like when he’d go in the tank on a big call/fold decision and the Ellen quips that would be shot at him while he was “thinking”.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
what is also happening - the better news
The East has separated into htree parts – the obvious playoff teams, the bubble teams, and those struggling to find their way – and there is room at the inn, which is good news indeed
A) Playoff Bound
Clearly in are the Smurfs & Boston – the likely conference finalists – and hard to see the Flyers fading out of the playoffs – and Ottawa & Florida, two surprises, may be doing enough, as is Toronto – so that’s likely 6 givens
B) The Bubble
the Devils are a puzzle – they are on the bubble – so is Pittsburgh with their injuries, and so those are the two real targets to ain for – the teams just behind are also bubble teams – Winnipeg & Washington – none of these 4 teams has a clear license to run away with a playoff spot – the Devils may be most likely, Pittsburgh is so very hurt, Washington is a muddle, Winnipeg figures to come off its high you would think, though they are playing well
SO there is likely room for someone to make a run – the very good news
C) Then there is the rest – Buffalo, Tampa Bay, Montreal, Carolina and our guys
The good news is that a playoff run is still doable, even a halfhearted one might be an achievement of sorts at this point, but a real run would put us in the mix
Take it one game at a time and don’t look back
Good article and agreed pretty much. "What doesn't kill you will make you stronger"
Tell that to DP’s body and DeHaan’s shoulders Garth. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Jan 11, 2012 9:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
DP has got to be the toughest person on the face of the planet by this point....
MENTALLY!
I fear, however, his body is broken beyond repair. His heart is still pure gold though. If only heart and mental toughness was all it took to be successful.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
I think Jurcina could get you at least $100 gift card to Sizzler.
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Theres only 1 defenseman in the NHL with a worse +/- than Jurcina
and 270 defensemen who have a better +/- than Jurcina. I think Juice would need to pay for a GM’s dinner at Sizzler to convince anyone to trade for him.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I really like his slapshot, though, and (I think, correct me if I’m wrong) he has playoff experience with (I think, correct me if I’m wrong) the Capitals.
Can’t be expected to have a good +/- on the Islanders, really. (no offense)
Could be worth some random minor leaguer or a random gift card. Maybe for the Dragons team store.
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We going to Sizzlah. We going to Sizzlah.
by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 11, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Now wait just one minute...
Sizzler is still in business?
Comic Book Writer by day; Islanders fanatic by Gameday
Theres one right across the street from me here in Florida
with sign spinners all over the road. I think I need to hit it up once before I move back to NY.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Surprisingly, yes
But it’s a chain that’s mostly in the Western United States, with some other locations in Omaha, Orlando, Puerto Rico and Forest Hills, Queens.
I know I say this too much here, but I’ll repeat that when it comes to specific players the question has to be players value vs. value of acquired players.
Look for trades for everyone, see what you could get, answer the question, make the choice.
Nabokov should go, though.
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I think the GM may have an exageratted view of what his players are worth on the open market
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I like the value vs. value of acquired players angle
They seem to be somewhat mindful of not selling players for peanuts, or at least sticking to prices in past late-season dumps. Whether that’s enabled them to get a 2nd here (Sutton) and a late 1st there (Campoli), I don’t know. But that line between “take a 7th, everything must go” and “nah, give me something decent or no deal” has to be tricky to nail.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Someone…someone agrees with me?
Haha, it’s a simple approach to GM’ing I think.
Throw in the money, length of deal, talent and compare it to what you would receive. What helps more in current and future?
I assume all GMs will lowball the Isles and the Isles will try to get a lot out of all GMs, too. The goal should be to get an equal or greater value, and if not be willing to deal with that
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Oh I agree with the theory
I just think, with this GM, theres no give in what hes willing to take back. Obviously I’m not there during negotiations, but it seems to me as though Snow comes across as “This is what I want and if I don’t get it, thats the end of that”. And then he waives the players and gets nothing in return.
I agree you should gauge the value of all your players throughout the league and if someone wows you, then you pull the trigger. But when it comes to needing to unload players, there’s got to be some kind of give and take. I feel like Snow has no give.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
If that’s true, that’s really bad. Nothing worse than getting nothing in return for players. Even a 7th round pick is better than just waiving him usually
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Well, to some degree
keeping the guy (especially if he’s gonna be a UFA) still screws someone for either the playoffs or by exposing the guy to the open market for a bidding war.
Probably better to keep you credibility and upper hand than to give that up for a 6th/7th round pick and look like a joke to your peers. Let the guy play out the string because he can only help you, hurt them instead of waiting around 6 or 7 years for that pick to mature.
There’s almost no sense getting rid of anyone for less than a fifth. (Except Mottau Eaton, Staios and Pandolfo) Everyone else has more value to us than a 6th rounder.
Nobody give me any crap about some hidden Zetterberg nonsense either.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
We can pick those guys up
off of waivers in 8 years!
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Or go to a Moulson family wedding
and start recruiting
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did the Isles reacquire Blake Comeau?
Hes back on the roster in the sidebar.
The New York Islanders: saving their best for the wrong conference since '05
hope not!
1 point in his last 9 games? I really liked the guy and hope he turns it around, but I do not miss him on the ice.
by brother_rat on Jan 12, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I already explained this, bro.
Every now and then, his name hops onto the page, circles said page aimlessly, and jumps back off the page.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 12, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
He's just COZO'ing around the Internet.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 12, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Not sure if this is as popular in the NHL..
.. but if this team is so worried about the cap floor (which I don’t truly believe we are) why not give Mottau to someone for some 7th round draft prospect and offer to pick up some of his contract.
I just want him off the team so Cappy isn’t tempted to play him ever again.. and we can give Reese, Donovan, or de Haan (when healthy) those minutes instead
by BaltimoreIslander on Jan 11, 2012 9:44 PM EST reply actions
Can't pick up parts of players contracts in trades, FYI
By the way, as far as the floor goes, they’ll be mostly in the clear as the season goes on, since it accumulates per day over the season.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I think in his state they always need to be open for business, sale-wise
But I don’t desire a complete housecleaning without getting decent return. As much as we love or want to see some of the youth, a whole lot of them will not be ready and will give us Bailey confused-doe feelings.
Just as an example, I thought the early sales of Roloson or Wiz last year brought decent value — probably as much value as they could’ve expected at any moment — but if the offers aren’t there … well, yeah, it depends on the player and how much drag he is on the current roster (and who would replace him), of course. Not exactly going to be getting offers for Mottau.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I don't think they'll get much of anything for anyone besides Nabokov
Its silly for fans to go into an IPB-style list of players and what Snow should get in return. Richard Park for a 3rd rounder. Jon Sim for a 5th. Brendan Witt for a prospect and a pick.
The main thing Im trying to drive home is that if the playoffs are deemed out of reach, how does it help the teams future to continue running Steve Staios out there. People dismiss the idea of ‘no-pressure’ games at the end of the season, but I think if you’re going to give a prospect a cup of coffee, the end of the season, when your team is out of playoff contention, is the perfect time to get their feet wet.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
And test the waters to see what you can get from them next year.
I completely agree with you, I just don’t know if/when it will occur. Barring injuries though, I don’t think we can expect no more then a handful to 10gms for any ahl prospect (even if they could be nhl ready for a bottom 6 role, a la cizikas or rhett). It just seems like the way Garth operates given the last couple years.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I see a possible issue
I agree with your thinking generally, but the Isles seem to have better seasons once the pressure is off. I remember feeling hopeful when Steve Stirling was fired (replaced by Brad Shaw?) and suddenly in the last 20 games of the seasons the Isles young guns started performing. Hope for the future, only to have that potential vanish next season. And could be PARTIALLY why we tend to ask that the kids be played.
Seems to be the same thing last year and year before. Maybe a “no pressure” situation isn’t such a great way to determine what a prospect can really bring.
by GreekIsles83 on Jan 12, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with that approach
Not sure where the magic moment is, but probably somewhere in between that cutoff moment you mentioned and the actual trade deadline.
Of course there are some locker room dynamics to manage, too (the whole “bad apple” year cluster under Gordon), and probably a fine line between “Don’t perform, you’re gone” and “Wow, they told my buddy he was important four months ago and now they kicked him out.”
There is so much mystery behind how Comeau was handled, I feel like the full inside story would give us a great window into how they really operate behind closed doors.
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Red. If you ever get out of here, do me a favor.
There’s a big hayfield up near Buxton. One in particular. It’s got a long rock wall with a big oak tree at the north end. It’s like something out of a Garth Snow poem.
Time to get busy buyin'...
or get busy sellin’.
by CloseCallJiggs on Jan 11, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Spot-on analysis, Chris
Unfortunately, I’m torn. Obviously, we’d all love to see them be within shouting distance of the playoffs at the All Star break. But, at the same time, I’d also like to see them jettison some of the obvious suspects and either bring the kids up or acquire some prospects for the future.
I do think that they can get something for these dudes from teams looking for playoff depth, especially the defensemen. Yes, they leave a lot to be desired. But a playoff team might see a Jurcina or Staios as a guy whose experienced, won’t take chances and can sit the press box if necessary since he’s cheap. Especially within the division. I can totally see the Flyers, Devils or even Penguins looking for cheap help that can be here tonight.
But I do agree that it’ll be up to Garth to get something and not price himself out of. The scuttlebutt last year was that Konopka and Martinek were on the block for second or third round picks. Reaching high is great, but at some point, you’ve got to cut bait for whatever you can – a lower pick, a conditional pick, maybe a lower prospect or future considerations. Especially with these jokers. The draft is basically one giant game of “Hey, you never know.” So even a 6th round pick would be worth it. Getting nothing isn’t an option for this team. I hope he learned from last year.
We need to come up with a name for the trade chip gang of Rolston, Jurcina, Staios, Eaton, Pandolfo, Mottau and Reasoner. I get sick of seeing them typed out, too. I suggest the “Go Away Team.”
I’ll exclude Nabokov for now since A. his trade scenario is a little unique and B. He’s played pretty well.
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Yeah. If garth got 2 4ths total for martinek and konopka, it would still be more "lottery picks" or trade assets.
The more chips you have, the more of a chance you will hit the lottery. Not every lottery’s a powerball, but I’d take a $10k jackpot every now and then. lol
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Not quote a fork
Aside from Nabby, perhaps, I certainly don’t think the players in your list represent a real dilemma for the team. Do you really think that this team is better TODAY with Rolston, Reasoner, Pandolfo, Staois, Jurcina, Eaton, Mottau over Ullstrom, Nino, Reese, etc.? One can quibble with a couple of names on the list, but does any Islander fan feel tormented over sacrificing a potential playoff run by letting go of Rolston in favor of younger talent? It could be that Garth sees things that way but who else does? I do agree that there will come a day later this season where Garth will need to decide whether to deal pieces like Nielsen or PAP — now THAT’S a tough decision to make.
But does any of this really matter? I know the math is the math, but has the team shown anything to suggest that it can pull of a run necessary to catch a number 8 spot? Is there some savior due to come off the DL soon? I am almost looking forward to the All Star Break so I can simply enjoy watching this team play without obsessively calculating points per game necessary to make the number 8th spot.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 11, 2012 11:08 PM EST reply actions
And yes I drank JPinVA's Kool-Aid
Actually, I think it was 101 proof Wild Turkey. All I know is it washed the hurt away.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 11, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I smoke so much weed, the Zig Zag man got a tat of me on his back
But the pain lingers. Maybe I need to drink more.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 12, 2012 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
So I guess you are comfortably numb!
We are all Islanders, even if we’re from Jersey!
by Russel Ginart on Jan 12, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
And yes...
The anti-kool aid was served already. They are beyond “creating a pace”, they need to havea miracle run of about 9 wins (with no three pointers against the teams they are competing with) in a row to just climb back in the race. When they get to that point, then they’ll need to play at a pace that we haven’t seen since Arbour was behind the bench.
So.. yeah.. please get rid of these players nobody is paying any money to see for the second half… and definitely not next year.
They also must give up now what the must (Nielsen, PAP, Prospect, $$$) to get what they will need (Defensemen) for the future… because history tells us that they can not count on the draft for any help in the near future, and the UFA market does not take Wang-merican Express.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
It wasn't about being a dilemma
It was about what will the team decide to do. We all know (or think we know) what the right course of action should be, but the team many times does the exact opposite of what we’re thinking. Management has their own ideas, and this was more of which direction they need to decide to go, not what us fans think.
It has nothing to do with being a better team with these guys. My whole point is if they dont make a run in the next two weeks, that they need to cut bait on these guys. But management has proven over the years that they hold on to guys way longer than they should and instead of seeing what they have in younger guys, keep running also-rans out there.
I dont think they have much of a chance of making the playoffs, but they still are in striking distance, and if they get within 6 points by the break, you cant go and start trading people, and even possibly think of adding one or two players.
The fork is, as I said above, do you decide that the season is over and start using the rest of the season more like a training camp for the younger players, or do you to continue to hold on to hope, even though hope is all but lost, and keep running the guys I listed out on the ice.
If the season is over, you make the moves that help you next season.
But if they’re within a few points of a playoff spot, you let guys like John Tavares and the rest of the youngsters feel what its like to actually play for something.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
People management
But does any of this really matter? I know the math is the math, but has the team shown anything to suggest that it can pull of a run necessary to catch a number 8 spot?
I don’t think it matters in that sense — but then in my book I didn’t think it mattered even in September: They pretty much weren’t going to make the playoffs barring a miraculous Colorado 2010 run (which does happen here and there, but doesn’t do much for your long-term progress).
But for managing the players you do expect to stick around, I think you have to keep belief/hope/whatever alive to a certain point. Killing or conceding the season too early is, I think, a little too much reality. Even though I chuckled at Snow’s early December “playoff push has to begin now” or however it was phrased, I still wouldn’t have wanted him saying anything else at that point in the season. Don’t subject your players to Canadian media saying, “Your GM just said you guys can’t make the playoffs. How does that make you feel?”
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I want to see the Islanders have a winning season.
At or above NHL-500 would be progress in my book.
I think the playoffs would be a real stretch, but I think that 82 points or more in 82 games is something this team really needs to go for. I hope they do it.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 11, 2012 11:52 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I agree
I think this should be the goal. I think mentally it would mean a lot to them.
That said, if they have to sacrifice a few wins this season by playing younger guys (who may make mistakes) over veterans (who aren’t part of the long-term plan), I think that should take priority.
I think hopefully what we can all agree on
is that theres no point tanking the season to get the best draft position possible.
I’ve hated that notion in the past, and while its good to accumulate young talent, at some point if youre serious about winning, winning actually has to become a priority. Whether its making the playoffs, or finishing above .500 like you two suggest. Any positive steps for a young nucleus towards the ultimate goal is important.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 12, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Fair point on the tanking, but the Isles still only have 1 no doubt Superstar after finishing bottom 5 & no other way of acquiring that level of talent (since they can’t sign FA and the GM forgot how to make trades for actual players), so if it’s not going to be the playoffs, it may as well be bottom 5 again b/c it’s they’re only path to an A-lister…
Their options are limited.
I get not wanting to tank a season. It doesn’t brew confidence in the team and the organization as a whole and they NEED to shed that toxic aura they’ve had for the last 15+ years. But when you can’t acquire any talent via free agency or trades and the only moves to make are in the draft, they need the best pick possible. May the lottery gods be in our favor this year.
by ChryWheatGod on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed as well
This is a .500 team. Better than last year.
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by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
What does not kill you,
makes you bitter.
by Kepler on Jan 12, 2012 10:14 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I think most of us can agree on...............
finishing as high as possible realizing, a play-off position is very unlikely, giving the young guys ice-time, trying to dump the over- the hill crowd at or before the dead line for something, and of course we all believe in motherhood. How about while we are dreaming lets look for the pot at the end of the rainbow – no not the Stanley Cup – how about new arena news, a direction which would trump any of things mentioned above and make all the dreams possible!
We couldn't muster
a decent effort on the road against 2 very beatable teams. The only way we should be talking playoffs is in our best Jim Mora voices.
Had we picked up 3 points out of those 2 games, the playoff picture looks a whole lot different. But we didn’t.
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The New York Islanders: saving their best for the wrong conference since '05
by Chris McNally on Jan 12, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, he is in that commercial now where he is teeny tiny
I was so confused, I didnt get it at all or why he kept saying “playoffs” in the commercial. WTH?
LOL- a friend of mine had to explain it to me.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 12, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions

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