Islanders Bits: Injury Updates, Capuano Elaborates, Klementyev Still Suspended
by Dominik on Jan 11, 2012 7:01 AM EST
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PrintWhen following a struggling team, it's always fun after a big feel-good win like last night's 5-1 drubbing of the Red Wings because the seasonlong self-loathing pauses and people look at some of the things that are right about the team.
Of course another question that comes up is, "Where has that team been all season?" and the answer is in many respects it's been there all along:
The Islanders have had solid, 60-minute efforts. They've had evenings of focus against tough opponents (Note: Not Boston.). Their shot differential is better than teams higher in the standings. Why, they've even managed to score more than two goals some nights!
The difference is their margin of error is thin, a few mistakes can sink them -- a few could have sunk them last night before they got the 2-0 lead -- and thus many nights decent efforts are not rewarded, bad mistakes not forgiven.
Coverage, interviews (so about that timeout, Coach), injury updates, Anton Klementyev and other assorted news from around the league follows:
Last Night and Beyond: Islanders 5, Red Wings 1
- Newsday with the focus on JT and the gang.
- Our SB Nation sibling Winging It In Motown does the wound-licking.
- The Checking Line and Okposo Net cover the Isles side.
- Matt Moulson on reaching 20 goals in 40 games: "It helps when you have two guys who carry you pretty well out there." That's a nice compliment to Mark Eaton right there.
- By the way, on that note Tavares has again taken over the team scoring lead. And while Moulson is on a 40-goal pace, his shooting percentage is now up to 18.5%. Since that's unlikely to stay that high, bet on him falling short of 40 but still having a fine, fine season.
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Al Montoya adds his voice [Newsday] to the goalies suggesting maybe opposing forwards shouldn't use them as airbags.
- Injury Updates: Al Montoya and David Ullström. Nothing on Calvin De Haan yet but "didn't sound as optimistic" as last time.
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Suspension Update: Michael Fornabaio talks to Garth Snow about Klementyev. There's a great Snow quote in there but I won't ruin it.
- Glenn Healy talks very briefly about Patrick Flatley, who will be honored as part of the 40th anniversary specials.
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Who wants an areener? Another developer is in the sights of Ed Mangano. That usually works out so I'm definitely holding my breath here.
Jack Capuano
[The following videos are at the Isles' MSG highlights page, if you can't watch them here.]
Happy for the "battle level," the top line (of course), the late timeout, the goalie workload and the big early Evgeni Nabokov saves:
Nabokov, Kyle Okposo, Michael Grabner
Nabby: "We showed that we can do it. So now we got to show we can do it on a consistent basis."
NHL Cawfee Tawk
Because you don't read enough of my effluvia: At the network mothership I'm tracking the standings of NHL teams who have fired their coaches: Ken Hitchcock, Darryl Sutter, good. Todd Richards: n/a yet, but he can only go up, right?
Want to see hockey get really stupid and sideshowy? Have a universally intolerable Vancouver columnist bicker with a fairly popular Bruins enforcer and see the awkward turtles crawl all over the road. Moments like these are when I'm glad the ESPN doesn't have NHL rights to amp up the tabloid hype to eleven.
George E. Ays (aka, "Oh, that sensible and sober* Rangers fan guy who is cool, actually") says don't expect the Rangers to fall off a cliff all Wild-like. *Statement has not been verified nor regressed. George is so reasonable, I almost feel kinda bad about how that cheetah is going to tackle and grab Henrik Lundqvist by the knee while he crosses 34th Street like that psychic told me. Almost.
- Keith clipped this one (and many of these, actually) but I couldn't figure out specifically why. Rather than ask him directly, I put it to you, the reader to peer into Keith's head: OHL Network - Suspensions and deadline deals
- Wait, I think I'm sensing the pattern: WHL Network Deadline deals
- Oh look, Steve Ott (who is a tool) got warned for doing something dangerous again.
- In honor of Dustin Penner's pancakes: 10 Craziest All-Time Non-Hockey NHL Injuries - sportsnet.ca
- Interesting points about the inconsistencies in the NHLPA resistance to realignment. I swear the NHL and NHLPA deserve each other.
- Haven't promoted the Hockey in Society blog enough lately. Some fun stuff, including: Brian Burke’s Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy and the related Brian Burke Laments Decline of the Enforcer, Fears that "Rats" Will Dominate Hockey: What Does This Tell Us About Hockey Culture?
- Fun memories, but don't dis Jeff Brown, he was awesome and Mrs. Lighthouse had a crush on him: Did You Know? Random, high-scoring defensemen used to be the norm | ProHockeyTalk
- Fun Backhand Shelf hockey talk with Kings goal breakdowns and advice for every rec league winger.
- On that note, breaking down a Capitals powerplay failing.
- More on the ephemeral: Sabermetric Research: Do hockey fights lift a team's performance?
Finally, completely OT but interesting, especially if you like reading Paul Shirley: Warning: May Cause Self-Loathing, by Paul Shirley. I would say I'm blessed with genes predisposed to not reaching that state of the washed-up athlete, of needing external validation to thrive and get by. I feel lucky. Examples of "the best things in life are free (or reasonably priced)" are all around me. If you feel the way Shirley does, please know that counselors can help you process, and please be open to them. For your own good.
(Wow, that last one was way too Oprah-like. So ... Isles won last night, woooooo!)
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Can we sign JT to an extension?
I know he just re-upped for the next 5 years, but let’s tack on another 3 after that. 8 years is good. Don’t want to see that kid go when he’s in his prime. Just don’t.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Jan 11, 2012 7:41 AM EST reply actions
He signed for seven
We’re good
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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Here's the Capgeek contract satus of the team
http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=21
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The Snow quote about Klementyev
I won’t ruin it here either, but Snow’s comment about his role as Klementyev’s travel agent is indeed a beaut!
Comic Book Writer by day; Islanders fanatic by Gameday
I wonder if he was suspended for going through the airline...
and not using Travelocity? Snow books all the team’s flights through travelocity to earn reward points. That’s how he is able to stay with the other GMs at the GM meetings.
Or.. maybe he was suspended for not honoring his contract. There’s probably something to that rumor.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 11, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he was creeped out by the Islander Travelocity gnome
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 11, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
More like this guy
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't you be creeped out by this guy?
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 11, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Klementyyyyyyeeeeevvvvvvvvv!!!!!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Is that next year's cap mule?
"Seriously that's the last time you guys f#@%ing won?" -RSH (about beating the Penguins in '93)
I want one of these...
To scare away the unrestricted free agents that may wander into my neighborhood.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
The other thing is, it sounded like “getting him playing time” might have really been “attitude adjustment,” given Snow said it was only going to be for 2-3 weeks. As in, you think Bridgeport is bad, here’s Idaho-it’s like American Siberia.
Language Barrier
Idaho?
No, Youdaho.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you're on to something...
“you…want… go… Idaho?”
“Yes… I…know… one. Number two ho in all Kazakistan… she in Hartford for wedding… I call her?”
“No… Idaho… not ‘find a ho’”
“Oh.. you da ho… sorry comrad Snow… Anton no swing that way…”
“no no no… you get on plane…you go Idaho”
“you want use Anton as flight attendant? You crazy… Anton go home”
“Okay. But the isles won’t pay for your trip.”
“No worries Mr. Snow. Anton have KHL job lined up for next year. Their $500K checks bounce just as good as Islanders $60K checks… you have nice life… borscht in Bridgeport sucks Putin!”
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 11, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Jeez guys
I just woke up from this crazy dream….the Islanders beat the Wings – killed em actually – and the Jets fired Shotty the same night. Man, I have a headache – did I drink last night or something? Why is there a tiger in my bathroom?!?
Being born in New York and rooting for the Islanders, Jets, and Mets. Yeah, I know.
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by CharlieIsles on Jan 11, 2012 8:01 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
That was no dream
Had it been a dream, the Wilpons also would have sold the Mets to a more fiscally sound ownership group.
Now, kids, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep; in giant blender.
by meigs1414 on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
the Jets
Must have thought Schotty was going to get a job elsewhere, and then fired him when he didn’t. Still odd. Woody Johnson is still an ass for just not buying him out.
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Shut UP
There is a person whose name is Woody Johnson?
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
by ilopan on Jan 11, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Johnson
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Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Half the hospitals in New Jersey have his name on them
I called them all Woody Johnson hospital for a year before my wife asked me who the hell I was taking about.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Oh. My. God.
I root for one team with a JOHNSON owning it, another with a WANG owning it, and the third has, well, the Wilpons….
Why do I root for such TOOLS?!?
:-)
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by CharlieIsles on Jan 11, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
So you root for teams
that are owned by either dicks (or at least other words for dicks) or assholes.
Wilpon is another word for asshole, right?
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
I believe Wilpon stands for many things.
(noun) The guy who cut me in line was such a Wilpon.
(verb) Hey, Tom Brady, go Wilpon yourself.
(adj) That party sucked. It was so Wilpon.
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by CharlieIsles on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So I guess the Knicks should be bought by Sean Avery, then.
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by mikb on Jan 11, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Indulge with me for a moment
in our favored passtime of mental line juggling (interpret “mental” in any fashion you desire):
Presumably Ullstrom comes back eventually – do we break up Martin-Bailey-Grabner and slot him in there, or maybe swap him out for Wallace? Or something else entirely?
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
Have him center the 4th line makes the most sense to me, at least while he gets back up to speed
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in a perfect world
Grabs moves back to the 2nd line and we ditch Rolston to the press box.
by ghalbart on Jan 11, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know
I kind of like the parts of that line with a banger (Martin), passer (Bailey), and speedster (Grabs). I wouldn’t mind seeing how they do for a bit.
its more of an incentive
for Grabs to do even better and Rolston does nothing, nothing. More the 2nd reason than the first.
Trade Bailey
Maybe I’m going out on a limb here, but I’m really starting to think that Bailey is not going to work out. Looking to the future, you’ve got JT and Strome combining for your top 2 centers, a defense firsts FN who probably would be best used as a 3rd line checking center, and 4th line centers are a little easier to come by – plus I wouldn’t define Bailey as a 4th line center.
The reason I say this is not that I think he’ll be bust per se, but with all the depth pushing from behind and his current slow progress, trade him while other teams still think he has potential and you can include him in a deal to get some useful pieces back.
Lest they wait until he runs out of time to make progress and he goes for nothing (like former 24g scorer Blake “COZO” Comeau.
It’s aggressive and potentially risky, I know, but Snow has to show some guts sooner or later if he wants to build a winner.
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 11, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Eh
Problem is I don’t think Bailey brings much back. Additionally, you don’t know, but they might see Strome as a wing. I don’t think there’s much of a reason to make a move just yet.
I think himself you're right
However, a 22year first round pick who has shown some flashes, and who many think the Isles have mishandled could, while packaged correctly (ie with Nabby, or with some other AHL/Junior prospects), bring back some return. The key is making the determination whether he’s going to work out for you while he’s still young enough for someone to take a chance and offer something back.
Comeau, for example, if they had misgivings on what he could bring consistently, should have been moved at last years deadline while he was producing somewhat. Instead Snow was cautious, did not deal him, and brought him back for one more year. Fast forward to 16 games in, where a now nearly 26-year old has 0 points, it was going to be harder to turn him into a even a pick.
I guess my point is that this team will not get better by standing pat. At a certain point, you have to start deciding who you’re going to keep, and who you’re going to move – hopefully deciding while others are still interested in the pieces you are discarding.
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 11, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I guess my point is that this team will not get better by standing pat.
I generally agree with this, but the only caveat I’d add with the Isles is we have a good number of players in the system who aren’t with the big club yet who could very well have a substantial impact.
Of course, the one caveat to THAT is it is questionable how many of those players are defensemen, which is clearly our biggest need. So I’d agree if somehow Bailey could bring back a useful, long-term solution on defense you’d have to consider it.
But, yeah, they probably could have gotten something for Comeau last year, at least a 3rd or 4th rounder. And while I doubt they anticipated Comeau would completely fall off the cliff, he had a relatively short leash this year so it seems possible they never thought of him as a long term solution.
I wouldn't be against trading Bailey
But a lot of the depth pushing from behind isn’t a sure thing by any stretch right now. If you trade him hoping, say, Colliton becomes his replacement and then he doesn’t, you’re shit out of luck.
I have high hopes for Strome and Cizikas. But they haven’t played against NHL competition yet. They should definitely not stand pat, but maybe the right move is using what they’ve already got. They need to take proper inventory of what they have first.
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Agreed
I think this period coming up will be the “make or break” for Snow. He accumulated a lot of young talent, which is the easy part. Making the right call on who to keep and who to dump (while they still have value and can yield assets in return) will be critical to both his success as a GM and to the Islanders turning the corner and at least becoming a playoff team.
by SchneiderDiricov on Jan 11, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
At this point trading Bailey is like acquiring Wishart, Schremp, or Grabner
While yes, Bailey has proven he can produce somewhat at this level (a 35 point season) while those other 3 had not yet proved that when acquired, he has regressed, which may be worse.
A team trading for Bailey would be taking a flyer on a former first rounder who MAY still pan out, just like the Isles did with Wishart, Grabner, and Schremp, and in the case of the latter 2, the Isles did so without costing them anything.
I think it would be very hard to deal Bailey right now, and honestly, why would you? While the numbers haven’t been sparkling, he has played hands down better these past 20 games. The problem with Bailey is finding a couple quality linemates that his style of play gels with, which the Isles haven’t found yet.
Ok, so 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 weren't our years. There's always 2012!
by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
That's a good point
If you’re another team bidding on Bailey (via trade) right now, what role exactly are you picturing him for? What level are you betting he can reach, such that you’re willing to give up something the Isles need for it? Still an interesting question mark, he is.
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Right on with this
We may have prospects up the wall at the center position, but none of them are ready to jump into action. If Bailey does not pan out to a top 6 center, so be it, but his play has been good for a 3rd line center recently.
Let the prospects get more minor league, college, or junior experience before we throw in the towel on Bailey. At this point he has been in the league for 4 years and is playing at least more consistently.
We don't want you on that limb...
There are too many of us out here and you will break the branch.
I barely noticed Rolston last night
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
can't you just cut and paste this...
into every thread here.
I barely noticed Rolston last night
He is, at best, an average hockey player… a $5M MEH. If weren’t looking for him, you wouldn’t notice him at all. No impact at all.
When there is a big hit by an unknown player… it’s either Martin, Hamonic or Wallace.
If there is a smooth pass and the first line isn’t on the ice, it’s either Nielsen, Bailey or MacDonald….
If there’s a shot from outside the blueline, or an impossible angle… and you say to yourself, “why would you shoot that puck at the net”… it’s most likely Rolston.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 11, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This exact thing happened last night
"why would you shoot that puck at the net"… it’s most likely Rolston.
I saw someone fire the puck from beyond the blueline and sure enough it was Rolston. I was hoping it wasn’t because it seems like a cliche’, but it seems like he can’t resist.
What I hate most about Rolston
is how he drags down the other players on his line. I feel bad for PAP, who was putting up pretty strong numbers with JT and Moulson and is now being wasted with Rolston and Frans (not his fault). I’m just looking forward to when we see the FNGraPAP line.
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by Fabtraption on Jan 11, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I think he drags down the whole team often
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Two weeks ago I would've said
put him back with Bailey…but this line looks pretty damn good. I agree with Mark that someone from the 4th may go…I assume Pandolfo, but again, he had a ton of blocked shots and actually looked decent for the last couple of games.
It’s also conceivable that they drop Martin back down to the fourth where he can do more of the banging role in less minutes since they really don’t have that presence throughout the lineup. (I am not a fan of that move personally).
Could be interesting to see what a 4th line of Ullstom/Nino/Wallace (or AHL call up against less physical teams-Rakh, Dibo or more physical-Haley).
It has some nice possibilities of “rolling 4” though.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I assume Pandolfo, but again, he had a ton of blocked shots
I know, it sucks. He even flat out saved that goal last night, blocking one if front of the empty net.
It’s probably going to come down to Wallace or Pandolfo and since only one of those guys can be paid pennies in the AHL…
by afrosupreme on Jan 11, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
It sounds less insane...
when you say it.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
It's sad and insane
I need to go hate myself.
by afrosupreme on Jan 11, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Are we at the point where we think Wallace is better than Pandolfo?
I mean Wallace does what he’s supposed to do, but I’d slot Ullstrom in for Wallace without blinking.
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I have no opinion on the 4th line.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
:snort:
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by Dominik on Jan 11, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I will say one thing for both of them
I’ve never questioned either’s efforts, unlike that second line guy.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
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I wouldn't really have a problem with Pandolfo...
… if they were getting secondary scoring from somewhere consistently. Those fourth line positions are the gateway to an ever-shuffling middle six.
Martin… has finally found a home in the middle six… but does it go away when Ullstrom is back.
Wallace has added the grit lost in the transition from Zeke to Reasoner. He seems to be a good answer for that RW spot because he is responsible when he finds himself with other linemates due to staggered line changes.
Rhett… has he earned that spot again?
Dibo… when he comes back, wouoldn’t it be better to use those NHL minutes on somebody who might be with the team more than 40 more games?
Nino… they kind of tied up an NHL roster spot with the guy. You gotta let him play somewhere.
All of these are better options than Pandolfo. Because any one of them MIGHT give you something that Jay has never given anybody… and they all can learn to do what Jay does. Jay will never have any of their offensive upside… even Wallace or Dibo. Jay is a luxury you’re afforded when you’re scoring over 3 goals per game… CONSISTENTLY.
And I put Ullstrom in for Pandolfo without hesitation. And I put Haley in for wallace or Nino when the team plays in it’s own division. And I change the nameplate on skybox 16 from ISLANDERS to ROLSTON… This season is lost if they don’t start finding out what their [of age… Ullstrom, Rhett, Dibo, Katic] assets have to offer.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
My rationale
Is that for such limited, circumscribed roles, Pandolfo has the all around defensive instincts and (relative) flexibility there, esp. with Reasoner out. (Granted, when you give Capuano a Devil, he will give him too much use and sympathy.)
After nice debuts, Wallace is still Wallace and Ullstrom is post-concussed. Add Nino in and it’s a lot of limited question marks.
I would like this as a general policy:
Those fourth line positions are the gateway to an ever-shuffling middle six.…but Wallace doesn’t really qualify for that gateway, even.
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I think your assessment of Wallace...
is accurate. He’s now had some opportunities to show that he IMPROVES HIS TEAMMATES… and I’d argue that reasoner was far better with Wallace than Pandolfo… but neither was the tide that could get reasoner out of dry dock.
But instead of taking the worst from that equation, why not simply cull the herd.
You’re going to have 11 options for the bottom six spots with the top six being(Moulson, Tavares, Okposo, Nielsen, Grabner, Parentau). So in order of organizational importance, i rate them like this:
Bailey, Nino, Ullstrom, Martin, Rhett, Dibo, Reasoner, Wallace, Haley, Rolston, Pandolfo… yeah… that’s 11. Pandolfo is the 11th guy I want to see in the lineup in the second half. (Casey is young enough to get this opp next season)
That is not a reflection of his importance to a GOOD TEAM… it’s where he fits in to what the organization needs to evaluate for next season and who the fans want to see.
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@JPinVA
I'd rate all that
My concern here (and I love that we can parse over 4th line parts!) is which guy might make it easier for the others to audition, and I assume Pandolfo > Wallace for that purpose. (I could be wrong…I’d be pleasantly surprised if I was.)
Ideally Ullstrom would be able to audition at center for the time-being, but you wonder if the team that’s very defensive-paranoid because it can’t score goals doesn’t trust him in that role.
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I have no problem
with Ullstrom for Wallace, but I’d probably have less of a problem with Ullstrom for Pandolfo. Pandolfo started strong, but faded hard and was playing pretty poorly before he got hurt. He’ll probably be better now that he’s had some rest, but I’m guessing he’s going to slow down again as time goes on.
Additionally there did seem to be something to JP’s idea that Reasoner played much better once he was gone.
When Fornabaio said
he got a “few minutes” with Garth, do you think he literally meant three? Based on the quotes, I think he might have.
I'd bet
he barely speaks to the media that covers the NHL club. (Not that there are a ton of GMs doing face time in the media…they all do it sporadically)
Cool that he did it at least, but I’m sure that these things are scheduled and Fornabaio is a pro…probably went in there (or on the phine) with the questions all at the ready, taped it and transcribed it later.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Well here's the thing
Snow IS technically the GM of the Sound Tigers
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Definitely
but I’d have to say, I don’t really remember him ever doing anything with Fornabaio…really infrequent, and his frequency with the big club is light too. (not that it’s any better or worse than most other gms).
That’s all I’m getting at.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Snow definitely keeps mostly to himself
On a scale of one to Brian Burke, Snow’s on the lower end for certain.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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FTFY
On a scale of one to Brian Burke, Snow’s Marcel Marceau.
by afrosupreme on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
THe good thin about Snow being so tight lipped is you don't have to give any credence to any trade rumors.
You know if an Islander is involved it didn’t come from Snow so the speculation is almost certain to be the fantasy of the writer.
Or
that writer’s SOURCE!!1
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Bailey for Enstrom and Wheeler!!!one!
(e5)
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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That's funny...
You just basically gave away Wheeler’s [pre-rolston] twin away for NOTHING. Blake Wheeler and Blake Comeau’s career’s couldn’t have been more parallel.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
I did? =D
Not that I agree with the manner of COZO’s departure, but Wheeler has been more successful than Comeau thus far. Wheeler’s three full seasons are 21, 18, and 18 goals; in only one more career game, Wheeler has 8 more goals and 24 more assists; further, he plays the right wing as a righty shot, which is what the Isles desperately tried to do with Comeau last and this season.
Considering that Boston also gave up Mark Stuart and only got back Rich Peverly (Boris Valabik never appeared in a Boston uni), I’m left shaking my head at what the Isles might have gotten for Comeau had circumstances been a little better – and by circumstances I mean Comeau’s play this season.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Comeau v Wheeler
Considering that Boston also gave up Mark Stuart and only got back Rich Peverly (Boris Valabik never appeared in a Boston uni), I’m left shaking my head at what the Isles might have gotten for Comeau had circumstances been a little better – and by circumstances I mean Comeau’s play this season.
They were both 2004 draftees. Let’s not put any value in their original draft positions, because those are original perceptions.
Wheeler goes to college, comeau back to Kelona, the bridgeport.
Comeau starts his career on that post-exodus Nolan 2007-08 team. He has an okay 51 game campaign as a rookie.
Wheeler comes out and declares himself too good for the Yotes, uses the college loophole and signs with the Bruins. He starts his NHL career a year later with a much better Bruins squad and puts up excellent rookie numbers. that was the core of the Bruins that now dominate the NHL. They go to the playoffs.
In the same year comeau gets a new coach and a team that would eventually get the number one overall draft pick and exile two forwards that were brought in to lead the nolan coached squad (Guerin/Sim). But he has 25 points in 53 games with this squad. There is still potential in him.
Let’s pass through the Blake Wheeler, your great, everybody wants you, and Blake comeau, don’t finish your checks, start MY FORECHECK, period… (but you see the difference in environments, right?)
and now we move to last year.
Comeau 77-24-22-46, isles get the #4 position in the draft.
Wheeler 81-18-33-41, Bruins win championship after they trade him. Atalantapeg is out of the playoffs.
Why are these two valued so differently. Is it just based on the first 20 games of the season? Really… their values were dictated by their GM’s, because comeau didn’t last very long on the waiver wire and had multiple claims for his $2.5M salary.
The fact that they got nothing for him was because of their marketing technique. Of course it’s tough to sell crap…
While COKE makes sure their product is the most visible, and adds to a store’s retail marketing… RC just tries to get shelf space. I actually prefer RC to Coke… so when it’s half the price I am the winner.
What am I trying to say… Wheeler was put in a position to SUCCEED, and the Bruins win because they put each of their players in a position to SUCCEED. The Islanders are trying to manage their cap floor requirements and bring in slouches like Rolston. Oh, and Brian “the great” would prefer LW… so Comeau, and the shakey, at best, Bailey… well… you figure it out… because Rolston is gonna teach this team how to win.
NONE of them had any points when Comeau was traded… but the perception is that COMEAU was the problem.
I’d have taken Boris straight up for comeau… at least it would show that the GM was addressing a need. Valabik is probably injured in wilkes-barre… The Bruins deal was most likely to get some value while dumping some future CAP hit issues to address needs of their own.
Bring in Ullstrom… HE actually helps Bailey and Rolston… but just a logical switching of variables makes this picture much prettier. Doesn’t Comeau+Bailey+Ullstrom look a lot better than Ullstrom-Bailey-Rolston.
Okay… that was really way more than I wanted to go into my opinion of the Comeau situation… hopefully I’m done.
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Wheeler-Stuart-Valabik-Peverley
Really, the story of that trade was to get Peverley, who is still underrated. Remember Boston was without Savard and Seguin was yet to be SEGUIN.
Valabik was literally a contract dump they had to take to get Peverley, as Valabik despite his monstrous size is just awful. I would’ve dealt Comeau + for Peverley in a heartbeat.
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All TRUE
the problem is they took NOTHING for Comeau… in a heartbeat.
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@JPinVA
and there was no pressure to do anything.
Comeau was just as easily a healthy scratch as he was put on waivers.
I know, I was just elaborating on the Wheeler/Peverly deal
I full agree on the issue of mismanaging the COZO asset.
So many points along the road where a different decision could’ve been made.
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and his wife was hot so my 3-year old was looking forward to sitting on her lap again.
That ws the higlight of the home opener for the little guy, sitting with the WAGS and Comeau’s wife in particular who was playing and dancing with him. Truth be told, was the highlight of my night too.
KUDOS to TMC for her point about how Conklin could have touched the puck
And avoided the stoppage of play, hence no TO being call. If you want to quit, go ahead, but don’t expect the other team to.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I understand that a loss like this makes fans bitter,
but did the Winging in Motown site have to refer to the Islanders as “putrid”? That’s a bit much, no?
This happens everytime we beat a team better than us
That, excuses, and blaming refs.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
This must happen..
This happens everytime we beat a team better than us
every time we win!
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 11, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL!!!!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Jan 11, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Only we can call our team putrid!
by afrosupreme on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Totally.
If they start calling for Garth Snow’s head, I’m joining that site and going to say bad things about Datsuyk! That’ll show ’em!!!!
If they start calling for Garth's head
Send them to IPB, so they can feel at home.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Huh
Lots of guys with screen names like "BowmansBetter" all of a sudden.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Most of us have our bi polar days as fans
But that place is 99 percent negative. Nobody even jokes around. So dumb.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I almost made a “hey, only I can say that about my sister!” reference in the lead.
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I was taken aback as well
But it made me appreciate even more the job done here by Dom & crew and the class and respect (there’s that word again) they show towards other teams. Which can’t be easy when you lose as often as the Islanders do.
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by PGI on Jan 11, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Except for the Penguins
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by Mark D on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really love it
the worse the adjective, the more I know it hurt.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I like their writers
Remember, they had the one guy who actually watched the Pens beatdown before making a judgement. that counts for something.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll agree putrid is a bit harsh
but its not that far off. I don’t want to take anything away from the Isles play Tuesday bc they did play an outstanding game, but these feel good victories against Western Conference teams are becoming a complete waste of time. Everyone can dance around about a 5-1 win against the Red Wings, but heres what victories over the Red Wings have meant the past 4 seasons:
08-09: Won 2-0, Finished last in the NHL
09-10: Won 6-0, Finished 5 points above last in the Eastern Conference
10-11: Won 4-3, Finished 1 point above last in the Eastern Conference
11-12: Won 5-1, Currently sit 1 point above last place in the Eastern Conference
The Islanders have been playing the Western Conference well for years now, honestly bc I think in part these teams don’t see a loss to the Isles as damaging to their playoff push. But until the Isles start playing the EASTERN CONFERENCE well, these wins vs. the West aren’t going to amount to a hill of beans.
Ok, so 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 weren't our years. There's always 2012!
by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
So what your saying is beating the Wings keeps us out of last place!
We’re not the worst!
We’re not the worst!
We’re not the worst!
I feel so much better knwoing these victories were not meaningless.
hahahaha
yeah I guess if you look at it that way, these victories have kept us out of the basement the past couple years. They do mean something after all!
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
But that doesn't make up for the 6 points the refs may have screwed us out of this year
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
May
is the key word there
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Safe to say 3 for sure tough
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to say 3 as well
which would put us only 7 points out of a playoff spot…
…but still only 4 points out of the basement
The New York Islanders: saving their best for the wrong conference since '05
by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
And THAT
is how Bettman’s plan is working very well, mwahaha…
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Whoever builds the best mediocre team wins!
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
That Thornton Gallager link is awesome.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 9:46 AM EST reply actions
I'll admit it, I looked it up:
effluvia: An unpleasant or harmful odor, secretion, or discharge.
Well played, sir. Well played indeed.
The More You Know
I actually felt dishonest since you can’t technically “read” an odor, secretion or discharge — at least not in the traditional sense.
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So he can net one? Larry Murphy looks upset there, who knew he still played? ;-)
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions
I noticed Conklin
was wearing 29 last night. Wasn’t that Mike Vernon’s number? Kinda surprised that one wasn’t taken out of circulation via the ol’ “unofficial number retirement” rule. Didn’t the Islanders not give Derek King’s number to anyone before Peca out of respect for King?
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Somebody has probert's number too!!
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
detroit is the team
nabokov wants to play for so of course he put in his best effort hoping they’ll trade for him
woody johnson – best. name. ever
Ehhhh
i doubt Nabby decided to play better just because of that.
I’m not saying I think he wants to be here, but I won’t question his effort this season. After seeing him be interviewed, I think he’d be a great guy to have around if we were to battle for a playoff spot.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nabby's been surprisingly good for us
So I don’t think it’s anything more or less when against the Wings.
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by Mark D on Jan 11, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No matter what you think of him
he seems like a true pro to me, and I was one of his biggest critics.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
The Islanders looked pretty jazzed for him during the three stars parade last night
I think he likes the team, but just wishes he had a shot at the playoffs one more time.
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I've been impressed with how he's handled himself
And I was one of the quickest to poke fun at him last winter.
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Helllooooo Mike
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I like how at the end
he had to wipe away the spittle from yelling.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
In all seriousness
Why would he just assume that Capuano wanted to show up the Red Wings? Automatically it’s, “Hey! They’re stickin’ it to us!”?
Also, Zetterberg seems to echo his coach’s sentiments there.
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by PGI on Jan 11, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did he clap at his goalie for not touching the puck?
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
seems like a sarcastic "Oh, WELL DONE" clap
But seriously, he was so far bent out of shape before then, it wasn’t even funny. He was staring daggers after the fourth goal, check the clip of it in the game highlights. It’s like Cap called seven timeouts or something.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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The Wings fans make it seem like it's common for him.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
The only question I have is why risk JT and MM in the final minutes of a game.
The Islanders don’t have Gillies in the lineup so its not like Capuano was going to put out someone that puts on the foil in the closing minutes. However, up 5-1 with only a few shifts left in the game, I’m giving Bailey, Martin. Pandolfo, Rolston all the ice time they can get.
No different that pulling the goaltender with 3 minutes left in the third. I can understand playing until the end, but no way I risk JT with a 4 goal lead and under 2 minutes in the game. This has nothing to do with the Wings, since they aren’t like the Pens, but I fear the Coliseum ice as much as an predatory hit.
As for Babcock, he overreacts quite a bit, his response was not uncommon. Capuano completely ignoring him probably set him off even more. You’d think a McGill grad would show more composure, but I think he was frustrated at his team’s performance and vented on Cappy.
Yeah, he's a leeeeetle intense in games
I don’t blame Cappy for JT taking the final minute. For one thing, Detroit’s not going to goon it up at the very end of a bad loss like some teams. For another, I checked the faceoff numbers for the game. Tavares was 11/19, not too shabby. In fact the Isles pretty much owned the dot last night: Frans was 12/18, Bails was 5/8, Rolston even won his one draw. Detroit only had Filpula positive (7/12). so I figure it was a lot of little things. Tavs wasn’t hurting the club, wasn’t going to get run, and was a good bet to set up Matty for the hatty.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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There are so few learning minutes available
The Islanders are usually struggling to turn off the red lamp on an empty net goal with under a minute to play. So I’d like to see guys like Martin get rewarded in these situations that don’t come along too often.
JT can play the final minutes when down and even, but you don’t get many blowouts to test the likes of guys lower on the pecking order. Again, not concerned about the Wings, it is that Coli ice late in a period that worries me.
cool I see what you're saying
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I think its taking being a sore loser to a whole new level
You just got your ass handed to you by the “putrid” Islanders again. Is the timeout really hurting you at this point? Nah, you’re just upset because you got your ass handed to you by the “putrid” Islanders….again.
You could at least graciously take your ass and go back into the locker room instead of clapping like a seal begging for some fish and showering your upper lip with your own saliva.
The New York Islanders: saving their best for the wrong conference since '05
by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It must be nice...
to have a roster that reflects the Salary Cap, play in front of a packed building and when you need a player you go into the GM’s office and he gets you one.
… and from high on that perch you can mock the homeless for covering themselves in your discarded newspapers. There but for the grace of Bossy…
May you be swept in the first round by the Predators, you paranoid douchenozzle!
I hope Snow was about to give them Nabby for a third rounder, and upped his price to Kindl after seeing this.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
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by JPinVA on Jan 11, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Time Out: NY
I was trying to remember another incident in which an Islanders time out caused great dismay and anger in another team. I remembered it was against the Rangers when John Muckler was their coach.
And yes, kids: that’s the same Joe Sacco that coached the Avalanche now.
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Nice find...
that article has so much.
1. More reasons to hate Milbury.
2. More reasons to hate the rangers.
3. More reasons to hate Milbury
4. More reasons to hate the rangers.
5. More reasons to hate Milbury
I could go on for ever…
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
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by JPinVA on Jan 11, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That Cloutier-Salo fight
was a sight to behold. Never have two utterly mediocre goalies battled so hard to accomplish so little.
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If I remember correctly...
Like The Haley killing Avery couldn't be better
But he came to Hammer’s aid. That makes it ten time better.
It’s like you have a chance to score with some really hot chick, then Sofia Vergara walks up to the two of you and steals you from said hot chick.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Sofia...
When I watched this interview, after struggling to pay attention to the conversation, all I could think of was… her poor son. How do you tell the priest that the trump card to your sexual solitaire is your mother.
“Bless me father for I have sinned… it’s been 7 days since my last confession… oh hell… just kill me… please father… burn my eyes out with a flaming crucifix…PLEASE!!!!!”
I fully understand why this has been deleted… I just had to get it out.
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She's this generations Raquel Welch, imo.
Christ, that dress.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Mrs JP at cocktail parties...
“Yeah… he says some weird shit when we’re making love”
“Like what?”
“Sometimes he’ll say, ‘Oh Sofia… I can live with the breast reduction surgery… I know they were killing your back… but why did you have to replace that latin sirens call with that long island… okay.. I’m finished… you want anything from the kitchen’”
“Wow… the only thing Bob ever says is, “GET THAT THING OUTTA THERE!!!!’”
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
by JPinVA on Jan 11, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You know what I can't find
is this one where Yashin breaks Kloucek’s nose…think it was shortly after the PJ Stock/Czerkawski, Cloutier/Salo beating.
Czercawski held him while Yash worked him over.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Best part of the article
there was this parting shot from Daigneault: “It’s kind of tough for them. I guess they have to justify their payroll somehow.”
BURN!
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Better to win than have better numbers
Numbers don’t lie. They just don’t agree with you.
Funny about a month ago I said the Rangers numbers didn’t reflect where they are in the standings, but their play could always improve and the numbers could just be lagging. The numbers aren’t always accurate predictors of future performance either and I’d rather have the points while figuring out how to play better than stasticially outperforming your opponents and not getting any points. The Rangers style may be Tebow-esque in that the way metrics are currently measured don’t accurately reflect the ability to win.
Hockey's a funny game like that.
It’s much harder to be dominant and consistently lose than it is to be terrible and climb the standings anyway. Probably has to do with the Bettman point, because really, what doesn’t?
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Can you suck your way to the top?
Outside the porn industry I wasn’t sure that was a viable option.
For as much as half a season, sure. Not for a full year.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Even Dom is wrong sometimes ;-)
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Thank goodness "numbers don't lie" is still there!
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by Dominik on Jan 11, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
once Dom said about me “While he doesn’t add anything to the site, and often is barely visible, he also doesn’t say anything too outlandish to ban him”
I thought about putting it as my sig but I didnt wanna push my luck
Ok, so 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 weren't our years. There's always 2012!
by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
You left out
“Plus, he sends me a fruitcake each December.” That was key.
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Given Dom's comment...
…and most of the opinions of you here, you really should change your screen name.
Some suggestions…
MSGAnnNomoli
LeastofAllEvil
AdoredGeorgeFromAcrossTheGorge
DiplomaticAys
If you let that “sensible and sober” thing get around they’re never gonna let you back into the garden of evil.
I've had enough! It's time to call out Garth Snow!
@JPinVA
lol
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
At hockeyfights
Some of the coolest guys on there are Rags fans.
After the game I went to, only 3 were dicks to me. And after 3 words back from me, they left.
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think he should go with
GeorgeoftheConcreteJungle
Friend to all hockey fans.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Watch out for that Corsi!
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 11, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
except battlin Bily
"We owe him a lot more than he owes us at this point. He's been stellar all year. He still gave us a chance to win this one, and we've got to find a way."
—C Josh Bailey, on G Al Montoya after a 5-3 loss Tuesday in Montreal.
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 11, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
LOL- RangerSmurf? I love it.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 11, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I got a kick out of this line over at the Wings site
Seriously? Up 5-1 with 22 seconds left and you call a timeout? The Islanders can’t even blow people out the right way.
lulz
=d
by AP77 on Jan 11, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That was funny
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Username of that guy was:
GARTH SNOW TOOK MY CREDENTIALS!
by Les Beaver on Jan 11, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
deHaan
is out 4-6 weeks with a shoulder injury according to Fornabaio and others on twitter.
Wonder if Garth will heel turn on the Klementyev thing…sucks that Reese is now a regular recall because now he needs waivers to go back.
Funny how worst case scenario always seems to be the “of course” in Islander nation.
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Can anyone get into this? I'm not an "Insider"
It is the NHL’s version of the top 25 under 25.
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The link sorta doesn't work....
…I mean, it ‘works’ but I have to sign in. And then when I do I get a blank page. Refresh…nothing. It does show me:
1. Jonathan Towes
2. Sid Crosby
…and that’s all I get.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Jan 11, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Comes up blank for me
And I have Insider access (or, at least, access to a working Insider ID). Looks like a url redirect issue.
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by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 11, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
maybe try getting there via ESPN instead of the link and see if it works that way?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 11, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. Tried that too...
…and the same thing.
Well, since it’s only ESPN I won’t lose any sleep over where they rank JT….or IF they rank JT at all.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Jan 11, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you need to know?
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ha
I guess who from the Isles is on it, and any surprise showings and snubs.
Thanks man!
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No Islanders. So I’d say Tavares is a pretty big snub.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who wrote this pack of lies?
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Neil Greenberg
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Other notable omissions: Evander Kane, Jeff Skinner, Jamie Benn, Erik Karlsson, Matt Duchene, Ryan O’Reilly, Hall, Seguin…. Big emphasis on the track record part it seems.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I guess,
but how many of those 25 could really have outproduced Duchene and Tavares so far. Kane and Benn have a nice trajectory going, but still understandable that the rest were left off, but JT and Duchene is just off.
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There’s only 3 names I really quibble with on the list given the criteria, and they’re #19, #24, and #25. There are others too high/low, but whatever on a subjective list like this.
I’d have Anisimov and probably Stepan ahead of his last two, let alone some of the names above.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
In constructing the NHL’s best 25 players under 25 years old rankings, I selected players with a track record of success based on current statistics (both conventional and advanced), future potential and the context under which they play. That means up-and-coming superstars like Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Logan Couture are not represented on this list — but I have no doubt they will make routine appearances on the next few.
There are a lot of 24-25 year olds with success on the list, but still.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
CYA
In other words, “Look, we only really pay attention to the top 6-10 teams in the league. So if your guy’s not on it, it’s probably because your teams sucks, not that one guy.”
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By team:
Blackhawks 2
Pens 4
Capitals 2
Bruins 2
Lightning
Flyers
Kings 2
Leafs
Canadiens
Ducks
Sharks
Avalanche
Blues 4
Jets
Predators
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
He said above it isn't Kane
can’t imagine then.
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Byfuglin?
How old is Big Buff? Or Ladd. Or whoever else they lifted from the Blackhawks Post-Cup firesale?
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Dunno how strict he is about giving away names esp w/ insider content. All I can tell you is that he’s a forward consistently strong in zonestarts/Corsi but about a 40 point guy so far. He’s low on the list overall.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
In some ways, yes.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Nice to see
a guy like that get some love, but still kind of crazy for JT not to be there (though I’m obviously biased, and as you say they seem to favor the older players).
Yeah, given the criteria, I don’t have much issue with him. Not the first name that pops in the head by any means, but solid 2-way guy.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hey George
when are all you Corsi guys gonna start a Corsi fantasy league?
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When a website can actually accommodate one. Derek Z’s been talking about it for a while.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he does!
It’s Bryan Little. He’s the Jet.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Jan 11, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Peter Ing?
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So last year's playoff teams
Plus the Leafs, Jets, Blues and Avalanche, whose recent “track record(s) of success” are just stellar.
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Leafs have Brian Burke building that juggernaut
Im surprised there was only one player worthy with a genius like that at the helm
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, he built the Canucks
into the NHL’s most hated team. So he’s got that going for him.
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Just the players' success though, right?
I mean the Blues have some fine youngsters. And remember, they hit rock bottom when the Islanders were still a playoff team. Although off the top of my head, I’m surprised they’d have four reps when you’re talking on average less than one rep per team.
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I don't know
and I don’t know why I care. It’s ESPN. They’ve literally not cared about the Islanders since Ferraro-to-Volek.
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Cappy's reasoning....
…for calling a timeout doesnt (fatigue and injuries) doesnt correlate with his decision to put his 1st line out there that late in the game.
Its bush league if you ask me.
Otherwise, great win.
Is it any more bush league than the Coyotes having Doan out there for his hat trick
I mean, it is a nice story, but absolutely not necessary.
It seems to be much ado about nothing.
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by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 11, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Doan played over
1100 games without a hat trick. Its a bit more than a nice story.
It might ne much ado about nothing if you believe Cappy is the right man for the job.
But I dnt think he is…
A nice enough story for the isles to roll over and let it happen like they did?
No I’m not bitter. My ‘Isles 2011-12 season’ glass officially went from half full to half empty after the Phoenix game.
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by IslesFanInNJ on Jan 11, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Mine is empty too.
And then they whoop up Detriot….wacky.
Cappy couild have easily gone with
an explanation like this:
“I realize the score is 5-1, but in the closing minute of games like that, there tends to be a propensity for shenanigans. I put the Tavares line out there, bc I trusted that they, more than any other line, wouldn’t cause any kind of trouble.”
If he had said that, even if it were a lie, there would have been no controversy at all. Nothing bush about trying to stay out of a melee.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
They werent out there all the time, it was already pointed out that the lines were rolling.
I cant believe that people have an issue with the Isles having their players out, FORCED to stay out there by the Wings, and yet thats somehow THEIR fault.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 11, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Would you...
…have put out your first line that late in a game?
Take a look at the shift charts, OK?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 11, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
At the end of the game you can break out of your shift rotations.
I wouldnt.
NO
I mean they werent JUST playing them!!!
Holy shit, people will complain about anything.
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 11, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
a difference of opinion is not Kool Aid
Let’s try a little harder to keep disagreements civil.
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by mikb on Jan 11, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This would be an example of something we discussed a few threads ago
If the ref gives you a friendly reminder and you respond by immediately doing the exact thing that you just got told about? Yeah, that usually lands you in the box. So kindly knock it off.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jan 11, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
There are other things you can lead off with besides Lol
Helps keep things fresh and what not. If you want I can suggest a few.
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by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Banned
see ya.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Considering they're the only line that plays well consistently and doesn't have one guy that sticks out like a sore thumb
I’d say yes.
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30 seconds.
I keep coming back to 30 seconds. It didn’t delay the bus, they didn’t pause to play AC/DC and have everyone take a bow, and those forwards — who again, glided back to the bench like they were indeed tired — hardly soaked up the atmosphere.
I found it curious, but I just can’t call a pretty normal and legal discretionary move bush league. If it weren’t the Wings, however, I do wonder which teams might have responded by putting out goons to mess with the 1st line in that final 22 seconds.
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by Dominik on Jan 11, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty normal?
I doubt that a team calling a timout up 5-1 with less than 30 seconds left is normal.
Maybe bush league isnt the right term here. Either way, I dnt agree with the timeout if as a coach your concerns about fatigue and injuries. That line shouldnt have been out there in the first place.
I agree Dom, what if it was another team who sent out their goons? And JT gets sucker punched? Who gets the blame? Cappy would be taking some heat….
I would think
that starts an NHL shitstorm and the league goes through some kind of black mark and some reformation…Babcock gets suspended for multiple games and fined as well as his players.
That hasn’t happened in the NHL in quite some time, and would’ve probably turned into a bench clearing brawl. I don’t think Cappy would take nearly as much heat as Babcock in that situation.
Also, until he beats us, he is “Babchoke”.
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Yeah ok....
As we all know that would be called “playing old-time hockey”.
I guess it depends on who did it
if it was us…scourge, Original 6, Old time hockey.
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The normal part
Is using a timeout, and using it after an icing. I mean it wasn’t like he changed goalies or something really bizarre.
From the shift charts he was certainly rolling all four lines as the third wound down and the JT line had been out there for about 35 seconds at the time of the icing. So I don’t have any issue with the line being out there.
If they did something douchy in response, that’d have been bad, and Capuano would’ve taken some heat, but even then, who looks worse — the team that got its minutes-logging stars a break after an icing on a 35-second long shift, or the team that was so insulted by a timeout it had to respond?
I just find it minor.
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Minor....yes
But i want to be clear, my thoughts are, I dnt believe Cappy is a NHL coach.
Ok well...
If Ken Hitchcock pulls the same move is he not an NHL coach either?
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 11, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just an example
I don’t get the sentiment that Capuano isn’t an NHL coach. What are you supposed to do with that roster? Do you think a Hitchcock or a Boudreau would even help a guy like Rolston succeed?
by sayvillelax94 on Jan 11, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I don’t know about Babcock’s reaction – it wasn’t necessary I guess. But neither was the timeout. And I don’t buy the explanation or however think it sounds ridiculous. At the end, agreed, it is kind of minor, but I also think it’s worth remembering. We’ve now got the Nabby-DP-change-for-the-shootout situation and how Capuano did (not) comment it, of course all sorts of other goalie pulls, the Nino/Mottau comments (“He’s been playing very well for our coaching staff”…), etc. Sometimes I do wonder if he knows what he’s doing there (late in the games) or what he’s trying to sell in the media.
In this case, I don’t mind him sending JT back out again for a final shift with a minute to go. But if they had showed fatigue there it would certainly not have been the consequence of that relatively slow 30-second shift, but of earlier workload and it would have been obvious prior to the final minute and then you have to recognize that on the bench and not send them out again for a final shift.
But I doubt they were truly fatigued anyway. To me, Moulson and Okposo looked rather shocked than tired when timeout was called. And really, they had a pretty slow final 10 minutes with, prior to that final shift, just 2:04 of TOI in a bit over 10 minutes. Overall, JT’d got less ice-time only once in 15 games (blowout against Edmonton). It wasn’t the 3rd game in 4 nights or something. And again, the 30 seconds leading to the icing weren’t exactly tough and though you’re right you often do call timeout after an icing I’d hardly seen it after an icing with a line on for only 30 seconds. Even in critical situations most coaches seem to opt for the timeout only if guys had been out for 45 seconds (spent in the own zone for the most part) at least.
So, I wouldn’t call it normal. It would been standard of course if the game had still been undecided that late in the game and it would have been a possibility if it this situation with that 30-second shift had occured at a critical point, but I’ve never seen anyone calling timeout after such a shift followed by an icing late in a blowout game.
I don’t understand the move nor the explanation. But I don’t think Capuano meant it to show disrespect or something towards Babcock or the Red Wings, not at all. I rather think he lost focus or whatever, just didn’t realize what the situation was and how you’d handle (and comment) it appropriately. Not that I feel better about what’s going on in Capuano’s mind if that was indeed the case. But anyway, that’s also why I think what Babcock did, wasn’t necessary – he could also have laughed it off as a strange move by a, let’s say, unexperienced coach. Although, again, in isolation it’s still kind of minor, but yeah…
Funny thing I think of after reading your post is
That last year, pretty much nobody in the league would care if JT was sent over the boards with under a minute left on even strength. (There was the Tortorella problem, but it was the Isles 1st PP unit).
I guess he has arrived.
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JT definitely has arrived. I’m not sure anything to come in this rebuild will amaze me quite as much as JT’s progress. It’s so great.
But I don’t think sending him over the boards was the issue here at all. Babcock would have laughed off that alone. Calling timeout was what got him going and really was kind of a questionable move, especially if you come up with an explanation that seems hard to believe. Because, what I forgot to mention above, surely if they’d been tired indeed Capuano would have told them to win the faceoff, get the puck out and come right back to the bench as quickly as possible. They stayed out until the end of the game.
I agree with everything you are saying
I still think Babcock overreacted. If you think Cappy was pulling a BS move with 30 seconds left in a 5-1 game, why let it get to you? You’ve coached your team to a Stanley Cup victory and you worry about stuff like this that is so completely out of your control?
I think Babcock was just posturing for his own team’s sake more than being “angry” at Capuano. Otherwise he is sort of a dipshit that borders on Tortorella with his own control issues.
I don’t understand the move nor the explanation.
I’ll bet Weight triple dog dared him.
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by Keith Quinn on Jan 11, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL!
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 12, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
We’ve now got the Nabby-DP-change-for-the-shootout situation and how Capuano did (not) comment it,
Another thing I dont understand people having any kind of an issue with. How could any coach in that situation comment on Nabokovs injury status only minutes after the game?
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by TheMetalChick on Jan 12, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but that’s not my issue. Neither is who actually was in net for that shootout, I’m not furious about seeing DP in that situation at all. I again just didn’t like the combination of how it went down and how it was commented.
However, I think there was no injury that would have prevented Nabokov from staying in for the shootout. He was surprised when they told him to get off and clearly seemed to be ready to stay in. And, though being very professional about it, Nabokov made it clear it was Capuano’s decision and his alone. Capuano’s comments are in that video, too, and I just don’t like how he’s explaining himself. First of all, he doesn’t make clear it was his decision alone and at least leaves it open whether Nabokov told him to make the change. And it showed – most of the reports back then (and comments made still) were written as if Nabokov didn’t want to stay in. It’s another case where I’d never think Capuano had bad intentions – he definitely didn’t want Nabokov to appear in that light. But he didn’t know how to prevent that at all, it seems, and in fact made it worse. To me there’s no question, if you’re making such a decision you have to make it very clear it was indeed your decision. Also, if Nabokov had been injured or at least his health at risk, Capuano would have needed to make the change earlier, right? Or did he try to ride Nabby as long as possible despite the risk of an injury because he didn’t trust DP in a close game against a top-team? That wouldn’t seem like a good coaching move, either.
Maybe Nabby would have sustained a career-ending injury in that shootout and it was in fact a brilliant move by Capuano (though then it surely must have been a bad move to play him all the way up to the shootout because the same thing could have happened earlier in that game). I have no idea if it was the right move or not, but it did go down in a slightly strange way and I just haven’t got the explanation I’d have liked.
At the end, another minor thing, sure. And maybe something that doesn’t even serve to evalute him as a coach. But we’re of course also trying to grasp a bit of the personality a certain coach or player has. And – regardless of the teaching, the coaching decisions he makes – I like the coach who’s taking full responsibility for what he does and who can explain me how things went down. Of course I know you can’t explain everything in public and it’s very, very difficult to comment just minutes after the game, but that’s why you need to be one of the 30 smartest guys in the business to get this job.
Ideally he road Nabokov as long as he could until there was a sufficient break to get DP in
I can see a goaltender with a minor injury staying in because his replacement isn’t ready and then switching at the next break to give your backup a chance to stretch and get out on the ice.
I think what hurts Capuano in these situations is how he communicates through the media. He is trying to be tight lipped, but it comes across as half-truths that he can’t spin himself out of. I just don’t think he delivers his message well, and that, if anything is the most “AHL” thing about him. He needs to learn to lie with conviction like any other seasoned NHL coach.
At the risk of applying poor hockey to NHL hockey
But if they had showed fatigue there it would certainly not have been the consequence of that relatively slow 30-second shift, but of earlier workload and it would have been obvious prior to the final minute and then you have to recognize that on the bench and not send them out again for a final shift.
I don’t really agree with this. Fatigue builds up over the whole game, players are winded at the end of most shifts, and just as a rule — without even doing a pulse check during this shift in particular — the end of games is when the tank is running on fumes.
I know at the end of most games in my life at pretty much every age, those final shifts are when the fumes feel lowest, and in blowouts there when I most remind teammates to not do anything silly (“we’ve got a lead, I’ll try that circus move!”), stupid (That prick slashed me, I’m gonna run him now!“) or lazy (”Because the game’s in the bag!") that might ever so slightly increase the risk of a pointless injury.
Agree with the general lament on how decisions vs. communication match up. Just not sure there was anything else to see here, unless he really did want to rub it in impulsively.
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Maybe in those 30 seconds...
…Babcock could have drawn somthing up instead of bitching and moaning.
by barry_hal_oliver_24 on Jan 11, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn it all!!!
Michael Fornabaio @fornabaioctp 4m
RT @NYIslanders: #Isles news: David Ullstrom has been activated of the IR and assigned to Bridgeport (AHL).
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Reconditioning stint?
For the love of God
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
You would hope so
but with the geezers all in, Wallace playing well in his role, and Garth “keeping his word” to Nino, Ullstrom may just be the odd man out at this point.
Honestly, I’d like to see Rolston be the odd man out with Ullstrom back on Baileys line and Grabs back next to Frans and P.A.
The New York Islanders: saving their best for the wrong conference since '05
by Chris McNally on Jan 11, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
To some degree, I get it
He may need to work himself into shape, and there are roster limitations. (e.g. Reese being exposed to waivers), but I keep coming back to the shitty ideas that DP and Reasoner aren’t on IR yet to open up some healthy/mildly banged up scratch slots so that he could practice himself into shape here.
There is no difference in cap $ or salary for placing guys on IR, so why not do it?
Also, the Devils man…the Devils!
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I can't even keep track anymore; I think DP is on IR
Otherwise there’s no “emergency” to get Poulin here. But by my count they have the roster room for Ullstrom, if they wanted him.
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Ahh, correct on DP
retroactive to December 3rd…had to go pretty far back there. Point still stands though, why wouldn’t you want him? I know BPT is a little short right now with Colliton and Dibo out, but they’re playing well and the Isles aren’t.
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There is no difference in cap $ or salary for placing guys on IR, so why not do it?
To save on Ullstrom’s salary? Could it really have come to that? It’s sad we have to consider this.
Well, that would be a complicated and easy to see through smoke and mirrors game
I mean, how hard is it for people to see that they are creating false roster overloading by NOT IRing people then saying the team is full, back to BPT with ye.
I doubt it, I just think it’s some kind of weird reluctance to put people on IR…I mean, it’s possible that it has to do with strangely effecting the outcome of the “man games lost” stat? I really can’t understand it.
Does anyone know how that works? Does a guy have to be on IR or whatever to count toward that?
Just can’t for the life of me figure out what there is to gain by keeping them off that list and opening up the scratches.
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Man-games is an informal count, so no it doesn't matter if IR or not
I don’t think it has to do with IR though. I think it’s probably 1) Hey trainers, how’s he feeling; 2) He coaches, how’s he looking; 3) Hey Cappy, if he’s activated will you play him or scratch him?
There could be a salary element to it, but it seems like they’ve wanted guys to get playing time if they’re not going to be on the NHL roster. I mean I’d like to see Ullstrom back in the lineup, but if they’re not going to play him, then by all means get him back out for first-line minutes in BPT.
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Sure, but I mean in general (not specifically with the Ullstrom case)
3) Hey Cappy, if he’s activated will you play him or scratch him?
They knew damn well that Monty and now Reasoner weren’t going to be playing. And there’s been a few times where a guy was added to IR retroactively. Maybe I’ll look at some other teams to see if that’s the norm.
As far as getting playing time, I can agree with that (If in their minds they should still keep playing Rolston, Pandolfo and Wallace ahead of Ullstrom, which I disagree with), definitely get him better time.
Just can’t believe they would keep hurt guys active and not replace them on the roster. I mean, there was no report really of them being “day to day” right? I think i was termed “indefinitely” which is usually a little worse…albeit still “gray”.
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IR means that even if healthy they cannot come back until a minimu amount of time.
So if there is a chance the injury is minor you may not want to rush them onto IR if you aren’t hurting for roster space.
by Hockey1919 on Jan 12, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And in some instances, understandable
but when those concussion guys “aren’t even skating”, and you know Reasoner is going to be multiple weeks, it should be done.
Of course it can be done retroactively, but in the present, they are not fielding a complete team or not carrying enough guys who can play (particularly on the road) if another injury occurs.
It’s just weird to me how they’ve managed IR all season long.
Do you think it’s luck/coincidence that Pandolfo was all of a sudden “ready” when Reasoner got hurt? How about how convenient (early on anyway) that the goaltending injuries didn’t overlap, but made it so that there was only two that weren’t injured at a time?
It’s possible that there’s nothing there (and I don’t have any evidence to prove otherwise), but I think you’d have to agree that it’s strange at least, and planned at worst.
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Hopefully being done for Ullstrom...
and not the fact that they can’t get rid of Pandolfo’s expense, so might as well keep Ullstrom at the $65K rate.
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Realignment rejected because...
NHLPA wants to expand.
Travel? Yeah, right! They get a bunch of money to play a game and fly all over the country (world even!)
Unbalanced schedule? Not! 82 games is 82 games.
Play-off opportunity? Hold on… 1-in-7 vs. 1-in-8. 12.5% chance of play-off vs. 14.3% chance. That’s not fair!
NHLPA must think that with a two-sided win, they can get even chances for all teams to make play-offs and add 50 more NHL players, 50 more AHL players.
Travel sucks, even for athletes.
And Athletes aren’t the best at math either so the odds may not make too much sense to them. As long as the NHL doesn’t start crying about losing money in the next CBA because of the increase travel costs then the NHLPA would have no leg to stand on. But you know that the NHL will start talking about operations costs after they just decided to increase travel costs unilaterally.
The NHL stands to gain as much by expansion as the NHLPA. Last time around the NHL tried to state that expansion fees should not count as revenue either.
Love Cappy's choice of words for how JT is playing:
“He’s elevated his game to an All-Star level.”
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by North Dakota Red Eagle on Jan 11, 2012 3:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
