Things You Didn't Know Were Still Possible: Islanders Trade David Toews to Chicago for Considerations
by Dominik on Sep 9, 2011 1:24 PM EDT
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CLAIRE: Are all these your girlfriends?
BENDER: Some of them.
CLAIRE: ...What about the others?
BENDER (annoyed): Well, some I consider my girlfriends, and some I just consider.
CLAIRE: Consider what?
BENDER: Whether or not I wanna ... hang out with them.
CLAIRE: You don't believe in just one Toews, one team?
BENDER (confused): Do you?
--How I remember The Breakfast Club
David Toews had fallen so far off the prospect radar that I bet you didn't even know his rights were still the Islanders' to trade for the proverbial "future considerations." He wasn't at this summer's prospect camp. After leaving North Dakota after two seasons for juniors, he did age 20 duty with the Brandon Wheat Kings in the WHL last year. At age 21 as of this past June, he wasn't in the plans.
The Blackhawks, of course, have his considerably better older brother, and that appears to be the reason behind considering a "sure, why not?" future considerations deal with the Islanders that sends Toews The Younger their way, where I suppose the Hawks will consider some sort of role for him somewhere.
Is there a better term in hockey than "future considerations" -- the catch all that means anything from "we'll trade this guy back to you after the season, but don't tell nobody" to "just take this guy off our hands please, and don't worry about the bag of pucks"? I think not.
In related news: Still no updates on where Blake Kessel will land after leaving UNH and Jason Gregoire-ing his way to free agency [UPDATE: Kessel gets an invite to Flyers camp]; meanwhile, Brett Lindros remains retired from pro hockey, but Pierre Turgeon still has 832 more points than Sylvain.
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Truthfully
I thought this was such a non-story I didn’t bother front paging the fanshot. I was under the impression that like DeHart he was a UFA
"Maybe (Frans) should concentrate more on FO rather than the thugging aspect of his game." - AP77
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Agreed
I just needed an excuse for Breakfast Club scenes on a Friday afternoon.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Sep 9, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it’s a good thing you clarified the source – i saw ‘bender’ and was waiting for a “bite my shiny metal ass” reference.
by nullzero00 on Sep 9, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm glad I
wasn’t the only one.
Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not. - Thomas Jefferson
I knew he was still Isles property
But only because I just traded him on NHL 11. But at least I waited until 2014, Garth. ;o)
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 9, 2011 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
In all the years since he was drafted
I can’t remember one instance in which anyone hugged him.
Good talk though.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I was surprised the Isles still retained Toews' rights
However, this gives room for the Islanders to sign another brother-in-law of Matt Moulson’s. Yes, that’s the first thing I thought of.
by Dougtone on Sep 9, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
brother in-laws
Matt Moulson has brother in-laws?
by dunnowhat2type on Sep 9, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh PLEASE
If he did, dont you think you would know?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 9, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Claire and Bender
I thought this was some dialogue from the show Futurama that I couldn’t remember, but I couldn’t figure out who Claire was.
by Isles2011 on Sep 9, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Classy, classy move by Isles...give the kid a shot with his brother's team
Toews had about a snowballs chance in hell of making it with Isles, wouldn’t even get much of a chance with all the prospects ahead of him on the depth chart….Toews is still a longshot with any team, but to let him have that shot with his big brother and his big brother’s team is a classy move by Isles that really cost them nothing, and it helps Chicago show some appreciation to the Jonathon, the elder Toews. One never knows when one may want a little favour back.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 9, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I like this point
If we can’t use him, give him the chance to play with his brother and maybe have that longshot chance to make it in the NHL. It may provide the Isles with some good karma.
Isn't that how the Ducks got the better Neidermeyer?
Show little bro some love and hope the talent follows him.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
"Future Considerations"
I thought that meant that if the traded player meets a requirement (such as playing 100 NHL games), the other teams automatically gets something originally specified in return (such as a 7th round pick). It’s not as vague as, “We might give you something later if we feel like it,” right? Or is it that the future considerations are so insignificant that they don’t bother to publicize the deal?
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 9, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
It probably just means
that the next time the Isles visit Chicago, the ’Hawks will have a few deep dish pizzas delivered to the Isles locker room
I just scored another Tuscan Dairy goal!
by Chris McNally on Sep 9, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
As long as it is after the game
Those things are so saturated with who-knows-what. Taste great though.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 9, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Deep Dish Pizzas
This is good because both of Long Island’s Pizzeria Unos(aka Uno Chicago Grill) have closed and now we have none.
"future considerations"
If CHI drafts in front of us Snow gets to submit a name that they can not select. This may have been how Cody Rosen fell in our lap.
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by JPinVA on Sep 9, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I thought your scenerio would be listed as "Conditional".
Future Considerations, i would think means something like, “Meh…whatever. We’ll talk about it later. I’m busy right now not signing Josh Bailey. HAHA. I’m just fucking with you, Josh. Sit down, son….yeah, he’s still in my office…you want him? HAHA – stop crying, it’s a joke, kid.”
by Les Beaver on Sep 9, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Always wonder how it works...
…behind closed doors.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 9, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
BEST OF THE THREAD
After reading through the thread and laughing a couple of times internally Les Beaver got me to laugh out loud – not just the best comment of the thread – that could be up there as best comment of the summer!
and then there was none.... impact free-agents or arena deals....
I dare say Les has nailed it
I think future considerations is the vaguer of the two Vague Compensation options.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
We have a bunch of these coming right?
Didn’t we get the older brother of “future considerations” in the Gervais deal?
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 9, 2011 8:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Come on now
This isn’t a Milbury-run arbitration hearing, son!
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
by NSOsFan on Sep 9, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll carry that thought with me throughout the season now.
Thank you Les, that was great.
Until we cure this tea kettle there will never be enough bread in the laundry. Ding Dong! Karate!
LOLLLLLLLLLL
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 10, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
This is totally uncalled for
The language used in your post is crude and offensive. HAHA I’m just fucking with you Les. Calm down, sin…this is pure gold. Congrats on hitting one out of the park.
I just scored another Tuscan Dairy goal!
by Chris McNally on Sep 10, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brothers
Sedins are remembered for getting picked 3rd and 4th.
Turgeons are remembered for getting picked 1st and 3rd.
Looking at the ‘Frozen In Time’ pictures, Duane and Brent Sutter were picked by the Islanders at 17 in consecutive drafts (1979 and 1980). I didn’t know that.
Sedins
Were 2nd and 3rd weren’t they?
"Maybe (Frans) should concentrate more on FO rather than the thugging aspect of his game." - AP77
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
Indeed
I believe #4 was the infamous Pavel Brendl.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 10, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
At least we got em to PLAY hockey, not manage it.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
by NSOsFan on Sep 9, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blake Kessel
Is going to be at Flyers Camp
"Maybe (Frans) should concentrate more on FO rather than the thugging aspect of his game." - AP77
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
That should work out well
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
There goes Toronto
being a bunch of a-holes again.
"..."
by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Sep 9, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
some guy at hockeyfights told me
Blake Kessel would be good and I didn’t know what I was talking about because I don’t watch college hockey enough. The same day in another thread, he told me the Isles need to stop wasting roster spots on guys like Fran Nielsen.
I wrote him off after that of course.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 10, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hockeyfights?
He obviously missed Fransie manhandling Zdeno Chara, that might have changed his mind.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 10, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does future considerations
include DP’s contract?
"..."
by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Sep 9, 2011 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
Don't Toews me bro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGp6vL79NX4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 9, 2011 8:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would love to see Garth do an interview with a crooked bottom jaw while he says,
“…he told me that on my death bed I would receive many future considerations. So I got that going for me.”
Until we cure this tea kettle there will never be enough bread in the laundry. Ding Dong! Karate!
by metalcoconut on Sep 9, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Brothers Scorecard : record 5-2, I'll take it
Potvin: kept Denis, let go of Jean- W
Trottier: kept Brian, let go of Monty, Rocky on Devils – W
Sutter: Brent and Duane, none of the other 3 – W
Turgeon: Pierre, not Sylvain – W
Lindros: Brett, not Eric – L
Jonsson- Kenny, let go of Jorgen – W
Toews- David, not Jonathan – L
by 4PeatSake on Sep 10, 2011 12:06 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
In fairness
Sylvain had an insane career with Hartford until injuries caught up with him
"Maybe (Frans) should concentrate more on FO rather than the thugging aspect of his game." - AP77
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
cool...there are six NHL playing Sutter brothers though
the eldest brother never made it to NHL, (for their better days) Daryl played for Chicago, Brian in St. Louis, Duane and Brent in Long Island, the twins Ron and Rich played for Philly, although if memory is correct, Rich was drafted by Pitts…both were early enough first rounders, I think Ron was 4th or 5th overall…I do wonder however, given Rich’s talent, had the eldest Sutter been youngest, he may have been drafted too….I am willing to bet Ron and Rich set some obscure NHL record for earliest drafted twins…broken by the Sedins…i remember reading somewhere, that the six Sutter brothers were second in the league for most points in total by brothers. The Gretzky’s are first, even though Wayne’s kid brother only had a cup of coffee in NHL and i can’t even remember if the kid had a single point.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 10, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Brent (Gretzky) had a point or two
Not many though.
Good point on Rich. I believe he was drafted or played briefly with Pitt, didn’t last in Philly too long before going to Vancouver, then was reunited with his twin in St. Louis. Of course the Blues traded Rod Brind’Amour for Ron. Cripes.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Brent plyed for my Pemsacola Ice Pilots of the ECHL
The guy couldn’t catch a pass on his stick. Pretty funny seeing he grew up with the greatest passer in the history of the game.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 10, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha
I guess they were pretty far apart in age though, right? Maybe he never got to practice much with his brother.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I always wished Jorgen would've stayed
Not over Kenny of course, but he had a role.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Claire...it's a family name
No, it’s a fat Wellwood/ Byfuglien’s name. On a side note,is Winnepeg now going to be known as the Jumbo Jets?
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
We don't need no water let Nassau County burn
Burn motherf******s burn
by FireGarthSnow on Sep 10, 2011 12:52 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Harumph,
There goes my fantasy of the two Toews bros in the faceoff circle at the start of game one of the SCF between the Hawks and the Isles…
There is a problem with outliving your enemies, it usually means that you have outlived your friends as well...
Honnor thy father - D. Vader (Robert Asprin, Myth series)
by burpchelischili on Sep 10, 2011 2:48 AM EDT reply actions
Minor news
Gallant Olson & Bidlevskii will be at camp under trial offers (though all 3 will likely be AHLers. Poulin has been removed from the injured list as expected.
No Sleep 'til....
Grabs treated a pic of his new stick
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 10, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
do you think...
he knows it's upside down?
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It's probably hard to shoot a pic of something that small while moving at the speed of light, JP
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 10, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if he thinks the nick-name Gremlin refers to
The seepdy little 70’s hatchback car, rather than the strange little destructive creatures that mowglies turn into if you feed them after dark.
This IS the year.
Whichever one is faster??
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 10, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The creature one
Is what’s on his shirt. I think Amac called him that because of the strange little goatee he was growing.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 10, 2011 7:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I somehow feel reassured that even the young players know that movie
Maybe it reran a lot on Saturday morning TV in the Maritimes.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
The creatures, for sure :)
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 10, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
tweeted, yeah, i don't tweet.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 10, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
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Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
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A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
