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Can we start ranking brothers-in-law next?

Behold the glory that is ESPN! Every year ESPN the Magazine rates all 122 North American sports franchises across 8 categories mostly dealing with ownership. They then combine those categories via this method to create their Ultimate Team Rankings. For what it's worth, the rankings do come out in June, so it's not a surprise that hockey wouldn't get a fair shake. But ESPN has an archive including 2003-2011 of all these rankings. Of course when you look at these lists with hindsight and all at once, they come out a bit strange to say the least.

For example, in 2008 the Islanders were ranked 5th in Coaching which they describe as "Strength of on-field leadership." They were the highest NHL team in that category with the Lemaire-led Wild in 10th and Randy Carlyle of the Ducks who had just won the Cup at 15th. Ted Nolan, who went a decade between NHL jobs and had only just finished his second season (4th season in the NHL overall), was ranked better then Phil Jackson, Bobby Cox and Tony Dungy. These aren't exactly johnny come lately's to the coaching scene.

Of course that's the highest the Islanders did in any single category over the time of these rankings. I thought we'd take a look at the rises and falls of the Isles in each category over the years.

Star-divide

Unfortunately due to the lockout there are no results for 2005/2006. It is interesting to note that this whole period has been under Wang and only two years were of those were under the Milbury regime.

 

Bang For The Buck:

Wins during the past three years (regular season plus postseason) per revenues directly from fans, adjusted for league schedules.

2003: 69
2004: 72 (Notably the Rangers are 119 only ahead of the Lions)
2007: 68 (First in NYC Market)
2008: 68 (First in NYC Market)
2009: 75 (Still First in NYC Market)
2010: 107
2011: 118 (out of 122)

No surprise on this years ranking given the increase in ticket prices and the poor seasons they were having leading up to it. I think the high cost of going to most other games in the market helped keep the Islanders artificially high for the NYC area.

Fan Relations:

Openness and consideration toward fans by players, coaches and management.

2003: 36 (Second in NYC behind Yankees)
2004: 59
2007: 64
2008: 67
2009: 94 (The Knicks were 120)
2010: 71 (Knicks were 120)
2011: 92 (Knicks rise, Mets fall to 118)

I don't know, the Islanders always seem to have their players out and about. Even after last year when they visited the hospital and some nurse yelled at Doug Weight for being a loser.

Ownership:

Honesty and loyalty to core players and local community.

2003: 42 (Dolan teams at 83 and 99)
2004: 78 (Dolan teams at 86 and 102)
2007: 87 (Dolan teams at 81 and 102)
2008: 58 (Dolan teams at 83 and 118)
2009: 118 (Dolan teams at 83 and 109)
2010: 112 (Dolan teams at 97 and 108)
2011: 116 (Dolan teams at 74 and 91) and rated 119 of 122 in commitment to community/not moving.

I realize people have issues with Wang and don't like him, but anything that rates Dolan as a better owner has to be insane. The NBA had to intervene with the Knicks in order to get them to get rid of Isiah and force him to hire Donny Walsh who fixed the mess. Wang's made his mistakes, but neither have been nearly as bad as Dolan's run as owner of Rangers and Knicks.

Affordability:

Price of tickets, parking and concessions.

2003: 74 (#1 in NYC)
2004: 107
2007: 100
2008: 76 (#2 in NYC behind Nets)
2009: 85
2010: 88
2011: 81

Not much to say here really, as the Islanders tended to be one of the more expensive games to go to. Until you consider the market and that for the most part they were much cheaper then the Jets, Giants, Knicks and Rangers. Only the Nets and Devils did consistently better. Knicks and Rangers were near or at the bottom of the list every year.

Stadium Experience:

Quality of arena and game-day promotions as well as friendliness of environment.

2003: 99 (also another reason this makes no sense: The Giants are at 98 but Jets are at 113?)
2004: 111
2007: 118
2008: 116
2009: 122
2010: 122
2011: 122

Shocking, the Coliseum is considered one of the worst arenas in North America. The funny thing being it's only a bad arena when the team is losing.

Players:

Effort on the field and likability off it.

2003: 65
2004: 80
2007: 86
2008: 61
2009: 97
2010: 72
2011: 66

Another category that comes down to "Your more likeable when your winning"

Coaching:

Strength of on-field leadership.

2003: 59
2004: 88
2007: 28
2008: 5 (First in NYC, First in NHL)
2009: 100
2010: 73
2011: 91

It's tough to place one category as more ridiculous then the next, but this has to take the cake. No offense to Ted Nolan, but how he ends up near the top with almost no history is beyond me.

Title Track:

Championships already won or expected in the lifetime of current fans.

2003: 57
2004: 63
2007: 72
2008: 66
2009: 93
2010: 87
2011: 86

Personally I consider 80-83 to be in the lifetime of most current fans. This came up on that other NY related survey which rated the Rangers somehow better in championships. For the 2011 rankings the Bruins were barely ahead of the Islanders at 76, while the Senators (who are Cupless) are at 66. It's like all media decides to get together and ignore the Islanders dynasty.

Overall Rank:

2003: 57
2004: 85
2007: 87
2008: 74
2009: 115
2010: 103
2011: 114

Just like the prom queen or the class president, this ends up being a popularity contest more then anything else. Somehow the teams ranked in the bottom quarter can do nothing right. For example the only two teams with individual ratings in the top 20 for teams this year at 92 or below are the Wild for their arena (19) and Hawks for Bang for the Buck (13). Meanwhile, there is no consistency between ratings and teams. How do the Cowboys have a Title Track Record ranking of 36 while the Islanders are 50 spots lower this year? 

It's fun to look at and nice to rant about, but no one can take this seriously. In the end though it's always going to be the popular teams on top of things like these. For example both the Redskins and Bengals are at the bottom of the overall ranking. The Bengals stadium ranking is at 110 and the Redskins are just behind at 112. Yet from everything I've heard both stadiums are beautiful and brand new.

Look, if the Rangers were winning or challenging for the Cup every year, no one would complain about the Special Toppings on their Hot Dogs.

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by FB4Real on Sep 8, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Nah...

It should have read Donnie Left because them Dolan’s are crazy.

And the Met’s should be just one ranking above the Isles on everything but the new stadium. The Wilpons are just as incompetent as the Knick management.

In fact I would question all of the team management and worth excepting the Yankees, Giants and Jets. Mets suck, Nets suck, Knicks are run by the crazy family as well as the Rangers, and the Devils are old and play in Newark.

by TheMagus on Sep 8, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

Basketball hasn’t been my strong suit since Isiah took over

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by Mark D on Sep 8, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

“2003: 99 (also another reason this makes no sense: The Giants are at 98 but Jets are at 113?)”

The think the stadium experience isn’t just the actual stadium; it’s the atmosphere…

As someone who went to many Jets & Giants games at Giants stadium, the two events have nothing in common despite being in the same stadium.

by maydog927 on Sep 8, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

FedEx

People down here sort of hate FedEx, but mostly because of Dan Snyder. The stadium itself isn’t great because it is so huge. But I think it’s more about the fact that Snyder has set it up for a ridiculous amount of your money to end up in his pocket. He’s blocked the Metro from extending closer to the stadium so he can keep racking up $35 parking fees (and you’re still walking over a mile). And there’s little things like all of the food concessions are Johnny Rockets, which he just so happens to own. Top that off with some of the nonsense they’ve pulled with season ticket holders, and I think the place leaves a bad taste in a lot of peoples’ mouths.

by afrosupreme on Sep 8, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Although

None of this explains the ridiculousness of these rankings. It seems like a long time since ESPN put out anything worthwhile. Some of the 30 for 30s were good, but I think that was probably because it was people from outside the network producing them.

by afrosupreme on Sep 8, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was sort of my point

FedEx Field isn’t a bad field, but a combination of losing and Dan Snyder being a prick

"Maybe (Frans) should concentrate more on FO rather than the thugging aspect of his game." - AP77
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by Mark D on Sep 8, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Like any SportsCenter anchor not named John Buccigross ability to pronounce the names of 85% of the players in the NHL.

by Dorfer on Sep 8, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

seconded

In this case, the hipsters are right: SportsCenter was waaaaay better before it got mainstream and starting acting cool.

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by mikb on Sep 8, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mikb

I definitely think ESPN’s problem is they have sought out the fringe sport’s fan over us diehards. They know we have other ways to get news, so they just beat the same stories into the ground in hopes of attracting the people who only care about the most famous people in sports, because that’s what those people know.

Which is exactly why they act like the NBA is such a popular sport. Who goes to NBA games? people who are given tickets by powerful men in big companies, which is exactly why it’s so boring with those guys sitting on their hands the whole time. The common sport’s fan, not the crazy ones like us or what you see and NHL games. Or MLB of NFl.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 8, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN and MTV have walked hand in hand down the aisle toward the altar of lowest common denominator

Tomorrow I expect “Real World: Brett Favre, Michael Vick and Tiger Woods live in a loft, impregnate teenagers, get married.”

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by Dominik on Sep 8, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That

actually sounds like something worth watching.

Maybe they just haven’t gone low enough?

by afrosupreme on Sep 8, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scene from "The Real World: Annoying Athlete Edition"

Brett: Have you guys seen my pants? Today is (F)arm, (M)assage, (L)aundry…Gonna get my hillbilly on.
Tiger: What pants? You wear pants?
Brett: The Wranglers…they’re my favorite…they’re real, comfortable…
Tiger: Yeah yeah, ask mike…he was beating the dogs mumbling something about pants before.

/Confession room

Mike: Tiger sold me out to Brett, that’s not how guys roll. I didn’t snitch on him when he had those porn stars over.
/cut to grainy sex tape of Tiger in bed with pornstar, Vick cringing.

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by Keith Quinn on Sep 10, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The only thing I'd add to that scene

Is Lysol watching Tiger, in the dark, green eyes glowing in the nightcam.

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by Dominik on Sep 11, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Matty Mo always looks like he took 6 of the biggest bong rips known to man.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 8, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

WOAH

Never made the connection but if Moulson was scrawny… wow!

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Sep 8, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd. I thought that as well.

If anything, he’s insanely, perversely, psychotically loyal for those reasons. For christ’s sake, he promoted the most hated GM in NHL history after three first round playoff defeats.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.

by PGI on Sep 8, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Meant as a reply to mikb's post.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.

by PGI on Sep 8, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They obviously haven't looked at Twitter

Grabs, Matty and Kyle tweeting make this team more likable than 95% of any others out there. How many teams can you really name have players who constantly take good-natured shots at each other?

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by NSOsFan on Sep 9, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

They dont seem to look at anything

They just go by whatever preconceived ideas they already have rattling around in their heads.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Sep 9, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN = self promotion

The ‘worldwide leader in sports’ has failed, in a big way. They are completely self promoting. They only cover the sports/stories they want to cover/manufacture. Honestly, they’re more like TMZ now then the New York Times.

It has been over for them for a long time. When Sportscenter got big enough that the anchors were known for their catch-phrases, the network basically stopped concentrating on sports and began focusing on itself. It’s a shame, because it was so good for so long, but now, it’s “..eh” at best.

by billymac23 on Sep 10, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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