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Put Your Money Down: New York Islanders Odds for 2011-12

I'm Eazy-E I got goalies galore. You may have a lot of goalies but I got much more.

Predicting the 2011-12 standings has come up before and it will come up again before the season starts. But below are some odds from Bodog for everyone in the league, as well as on who's likely to win the Atlantic Division.

Would you bet the over or the under on the Islanders' final point total of 81.5 -- good for 27th overall and 14th in the East (ahead of only Ottawa)? And looking at the odds for the division title, which Atlantic team's odds are convincing enough for you to put your money down?

Note: These are for entertainment purposes only, and not for the exchange of money. You can exchange me holy cards if you wish, but not money. 'Cause that's immoral or something. Unless you're in Vegas, in which case you can exchange your soul, while Celine Dion provides the Hades-themed soundtrack.

Star-divide

 

Odds to win the 2012 Atlantic Division            

Philadelphia Flyers                    6/5
Pittsburgh Penguins                 13/10

New Jersey Devils                    15/2
New York Rangers                     9/1
New York Islanders                    25/1

Honestly, I'm fine with the Islanders being the least likely to win the division. I don't think they'll finish last, but I'd buy that any of the other four could be more likely to take the division crown. (That doesn't quite make sense, but I can buy scenarios for any of the other four to crash, and any of the other four to have things hit just right.)

Now on to the league as a whole...

 

Bodog Line for 2011-12 Point Totals

1 Washington Capitals  107.5
2 Vancouver Canucks 106.5
3 Detroit Red Wings 104.5
4 San Jose Sharks 103.5
5 Boston Bruins  102.5
6 Chicago Blackhawks  102.5
7 Los Angeles Kings  102.5
8 Pittsburgh Penguins  100.5
9 Buffalo Sabres  98.5
10 Philadelphia Flyers 98.5
11 Tampa Bay Lightning 98.5
12 Anaheim Ducks   95.5
13 New York Rangers 94.5
14 Montreal Canadiens  92.5
15 St. Louis Blues  92.5
16 Nashville Predators  91.5
17 Calgary Flames 90.5
18 New Jersey Devils  90.5
19 Toronto Maple Leafs  89.5
20 Dallas Stars 87.5
21 Phoenix Coyotes  87.5
22 Columbus Blue Jackets 85.5
23 Winnipeg Jets  85.5
24 Carolina Hurricanes  83.5
25 Florida Panthers 83.5
26 Minnesota Wild  82.5
27 New York Islanders  81.5
28 Edmonton Oilers 77.5
29 Colorado Avalanche 75.5
30 Ottawa Senators 74.5

So no one likes Ottawa. And the gamblers have the Islanders, Oilers and Avalanche repeating their appearances in the bottom four.

Personally, while I'm prepared for anything in the range of 7th to 13th in the conference, I can't put both Florida and Atlantapeg above the Islanders.

Anyway, without putting too many of your holy cards on the line, how do you peg the Isles as we head toward October? And what stands out on this list to you?

 

Islanders Links

An update on the two former Islanders coaches who are now assisting Ron Wilson in Toronto. Salient quote from Scott Gordon: "There’s no doubt in my mind that we’re a fast team," Gordon said. "Our ability to pressure the puck is going to be key for us. That’s going to be an all the time thing. We have to be able to take advantage of our skating and put the opposition on their heels. If we can do that, that’s going to be what’s going to makes it work for us."

 

Hockey Links

Meanwhile, this is WHAT I HAVE BEEN WHINING ABOUT FOR YEARS: Shanahan's Implicit Message: Become a Better Hitter - Arctic Ice Hockey Yes, yes! Hitting is a skill, not a right. You have to be good at it. You have to be able to skate. Fighting your way or playing your way to the NHL does not mean you know how to hit and does not mean you can take potshots at any victim you can reach. A good, legal hit is a display of violence, power, and skill. A Matt Cooke hit is a display of violence, entitlement, and carelessness.

Remember that gambling destroys families, I mean keeps the NFL afloat, I mean doesn't really translate to hockey.

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I couldn't agree more on Shanahan

I love what he’s doing. It needs to be zero tolerance. Let everyone bitch and complain for a bit, then watch the players adapt so they don’t lose 10% of their salary and cost another player even more than 10% of their season. I love hitting, but I dislike thuggery.

And I’ll be taking the over on the Isles. They got to 73 points last year and didn’t win a game for a month. With the all star D pair of Hamonic and Streit around for a full year, this bet cant lose I tell ya! It’s a lock!

"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington

by Pauly C on Sep 29, 2011 7:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Rangers at 9-to-1 while Flyers are close to 50%

I would almost flip-flop that.

Isles at 25-to-1 is probably a little low, but in no way do I expect Isles to win the Atlantic.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 29, 2011 7:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Take the over

90-something points.

I wouldn’t take the 25-1 bait on winning the division. I don’t see that yet.

I take the under on the number of national sportswriters and broadcasters knowing the names of at least 5 Islanders.

by martylnd on Sep 29, 2011 7:45 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I know people love to ...

predict this stuff, but for me, odds shmods.
I like not knowing, expecting or even thinking about how it’s gonna turn out.
That said, I don’t understand why people figure that sneaking in at the 8th or maybe 7th seed is as good as this group can do. This month in MLB, and yesterday’s most bizarre final day in the regular season ever, are the latest example of ‘nobody knows nuthin.’ And there’s enough talent on this team now, and what seems like a chemistry thing going, that I don’t see a reason something special can’t happen this year with these guys.

by dose on Sep 29, 2011 8:01 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

What happened?

For those of us who don’t follow baseball and live under rocks?

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 29, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Red Sox out of the playoffs, Rays in

loving the tears of fallen leaf fans...JT IS OURS

by DarthDoyle on Sep 29, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

For real?

Ha, that’s pretty funny.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Sep 29, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braves out, Cardinals in.

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did hear about that one

But we were all at the ice rink, the way God intended.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at my handle. How happy do you think I am? lol

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death

by NSOsFan on Sep 30, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

This is the most optimistic I’ve been about this team in years. We can all name 100 “ifs” that could or couldn’t occur, but four teams had a ton of “ifs” happen in one eight hour span yesterday and suddenly the entire landscape changed. Anything can happen.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Sep 29, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

7th or 8th

I believe just about anything is possible, but for me it’s my own internal expectations management: Even if the goaltending ends up fine, figuring it out might cost a few games. The defense has enough injury concerns to make me worry.

But beyond all that, teams just don’t typically vault from 14th to 6th or higher in one year.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but those teams have never had Frans Neilsen.

So really, all bets are off. I see them finishing 8-10, 6 being miracle high, 14 or 15 being “I quit this team” bad.

by Les Beaver on Sep 29, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

I just hope we have Nielsen come March.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Losing Nielsen might make me a Rangers fan.

Yeah, I said it. I know you all were thinking it, but I said it.

by Les Beaver on Sep 29, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about...

Losing Nielsen TO the Rangers?

You only figure 8 once.

by The Black Map on Sep 29, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

made me physically ill.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Sep 29, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

Isles jerseys I've owned: Fisherman, Tim Connolly, Josh Bailey RBK Edge edition. I've got a history of success.

by ArsenalLI on Sep 29, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your comment

is awaiting moderation.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If that happens, I will change my name to Botta, reopen up IBP and let the crazy fly.

Snow will be begging the real Botta to come back by the time I’m done with him.

by Les Beaver on Sep 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Frans

Will be re-signed. Put it on the board!

by Dorfer on Sep 29, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man

I thought you had to be a Mets fan to do such long-term-setting-yourself-up-for-disappointment.

by afrosupreme on Sep 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

reference the Gordon quote

we should keep track of the number of injuries that Toronto has this season, hip especially, to see if it’s the coaching style.

oooh! real world science experiment!

by nullzero00 on Sep 29, 2011 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

What I wonder is

If he has that much throw for how the offensive game plan works, what’s the role of Ron Wilson?

But this is a good idea to keep an eye on depending in how similar the system is.

Scott Gordon: Looking to recapture Prvovidence Bruins glory since 2008.

NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
Website:Lighthouse HockeyTwitter: @KeithLHHockey

by Keith Quinn on Sep 29, 2011 8:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Poor Flash...

Hated on the Isles since 2009…

by pennst92 on Sep 29, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fell an busted his melon at practice today too

#overspeed #overstitches

NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
Website:Lighthouse HockeyTwitter: @KeithLHHockey

by Keith Quinn on Sep 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Did the TML's sign Jon Sim?

“Hey coach, check out the jumbotron… they’re showing you doing the beanpot shuffle”
WOOOOSH!
“SIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!”

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Sep 29, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell yeah, I'm about to get rich

And Dom, shame on you for mentioning that attention whore Celine Dion. ;o)

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 29, 2011 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Reporter Rage

Can we expect a good old fashioned cat fight between Placey and Strang at some point?
The Philly reporters going at it is pretty funny. If the Eagles had that much fire on the OL they’de be 3-0.

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Sep 29, 2011 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

You an eagle's fan?

Do you throw d cell batteries at people?

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 29, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

if mem serves

he’s a giants fan, like the rest of God’s Chosen People

These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar

by bob l on Sep 29, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was, am and always will be...

a Giant fan.
I’m pretty sure we won’t have to beat you any time soon… you’re doing a good job of that yourself.
Vick is in an offense where he has to make three reads… the last thing Michael Vick read (or more accurately, had read to him) was his Miranda rights. Then he wonders why he gets hit every time he throws the ball. (Quick releasing OL + slow thinking QB) / West Coast Offense = Very beat up Quarterback who will not finish the season.

Come see us when you have a SB ring… not two, or three… just one.

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Sep 29, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

ouch...that one was a little harsh

loving the tears of fallen leaf fans...JT IS OURS

by DarthDoyle on Sep 29, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

HA!

I wish I were here for that post. Ya beat me to it.

Went to Penn State 1987 – 1992 (changed majors a few times – shut up).

Lived w/ an Eagles fan couple of years – back in the glory days we could beat snot out of Washington and Dallas, but didn’t matter how bad they were, we could get out of our own way against the Eagles.

My retort always was, “Would you rather beat the Giants twice every year, or would you rather actually get to the super bowl once a generation…”

He’d mutter some not very nice words and go all sullen on me…

Cheers!

by pennst92 on Sep 29, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Try being a Viking's fan

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 29, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, I live in Northwest Florida, nobody here cares about that

The only friends I have who like hockey have watched Isles games with me and they see the potential we have.

But I’ll be damned if for 4 days now all I heard about is my choking Vikings.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 29, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did they choke again?

Never mind, you don’t have to give me the details. A good friend is a Vikings fan so his misery is often shared. He just didn’t mention anything when I saw him last night.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Your buddy is probably too pissed to talk about it.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 29, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well
(changed majors a few times – shut up)

The world needs ditch-diggers, too.

Can we call you “shouldabeenpennst91” though? ;)

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

School Daze

Webby, really? You’re gonna let this old hack, who’s never broken a story do your Sunday job on a Thursday…. THis calls for a violent act!
It’s odd that we’ve barely mentioned Anders Lee over the summer. I wonder if he’ll be in the top 25 under 25. My heart is bursting with anticipation.

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Sep 29, 2011 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Gambling is illegal at Bushwood

And I’ll take the Isles and the over please. The Isles finished 27th last year with only half a team. Injuries notwithstanding, we’re moving on up this year, like it or not BODOG!

by CloseCallJiggs on Sep 29, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And I never slice

Wish these came out when I was in Vegas a couple weeks ago. Put 25$ down on the G-Men to win the superbowl; 20-1 odds. Would have bet on the isles hitting the over and winning the division. It makes watching your team win that much more enjoyable when you stand to win some money at the same time…. Especially when you have a crippling gambling addiction.

Take em to the jabrone-zone

by IslesJabronie on Sep 29, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Weird, i never bet on sports and certainly not my teams

it’s stressful enough without the added pain.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 29, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

Fantasy football and some boxes on the super bowl is as far as I am willing to go.

by CloseCallJiggs on Sep 29, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not betting the farm

But 25$ on a longshot bet that you don’t really expect to hit adds another element to the fun. 25$ over the course of a season doesn’t exactly sting either. Ex. No one expects the giants to make a superbowl run this year but if they do make a deep playoff run, it will be that much more exciting knowing that I stand to win $500 on top of getting to see my favorite football team win a superbowl. And if they lose, I’m only out 25 beans

Take em to the jabrone-zone

by IslesJabronie on Sep 29, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, i agree, this is a no-brainer

But I’’ve just never been into gambling much.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 29, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

Can’t bet on sports. Pain threshold already at the max.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

$50

says the Smaills kid picks his nose.

by CloseCallJiggs on Sep 29, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey Whitey

Where’s your hat?

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science

by PGI on Sep 29, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

And of course

Hey Wang, it’s a parking lot!

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vegas

I’ll actually be leaving for Vegas tomorrow morning. Maybe I’ll actually do this. I like the over. Any advice? Never did any sports gambling besides putting money on a fantasy baseball league.

by dunnowhat2type on Sep 29, 2011 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Go to any sports betting room

Any casino will have one. They’ll have all the lines on the walls.

Take em to the jabrone-zone

by IslesJabronie on Sep 29, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Go to the future’s section. Whatever the amount of money is that you want to bet on the Isles, put 95% of it on the over 81.5 points. Put 3% on the Atlantic and the last 2% on winning the Cup.

by afrosupreme on Sep 29, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So they think

we’re only going to be four wins better? Either we’re all crazy or I’m gonna get rich bitch!

by afrosupreme on Sep 29, 2011 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting that the Devils are 15-2 to win the division

yet only 90.5 for total points??? The 15-2 seems a bit optomistic, even if Parise stays healthy.

by 4PeatSake on Sep 29, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Isles ticket deals.

I apologize in advance if this is not appropriate here. Whoever wants Isles ticket deals for the first two months of season on weekdays, please forward me your emails quick. It’s only one day event. Not a spam. $30 – 300’s; $50 – 100/200.

by O.Bender on Sep 29, 2011 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Where were you 2 weeks ago when I bought my first ever tickets to see the Isles at the Coli?

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 29, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good for you. Have fun.

Just got this offer this morning. You can always prolong the experience, attend more games.

by O.Bender on Sep 29, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Going to see them play the Rags on Nov 15th and habs on 17th

Wanted to go to three but the hotels in NY are pretty pricey.

can’t wait.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 29, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

LivingSocial.com, ya'll!

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Sep 29, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stick it to the bastards

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's also offered under LivingSocial.com's Brooklyn banner

Coincidence!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Sep 29, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think that Mangano has a strong case

asking upstate New York to help bail out poor Nassau county in its areener dilemmer :)

by 4PeatSake on Sep 29, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Thoughts from Nova Sotia

1. I’m definitely taking the OVER if it’s set at 81.5. Hell, 25-1 to take the division is actually a +EV bet, imo.

2. I’m very disapponted in the fact that the Banana Thrower turned out to be a Canadian. I was hoping it was some Flyers Fan Thug who traveled to watch the exhibition game. But, I’m very curious. Here’s the story from Postmedia News:

LONDON, Ont. – Charges have been laid in connection with an incident during an NHL exhibition game in London last week when a banana was hurled at a black hockey player.

Chris Moorhouse, 26, of London, was charged with engaging in a prohibited activity on a premise under the provincial Trespass to Property Act.

He is accused of throwing a banana peel on the ice toward Philadelphia Flyers forward Wayne Simmonds – a perceived racially motivated incident – during a Sept. 22 exhibition game between the Flyers and Detroit Red Wings. The incident occurred during a Simmonds’ shootout attempt.

"We received information from various sources and followed up with that and it led us to (Moorhouse) and we were able to locate him, have a conversation with him, and consequently, we laid the charge," said London police Const. Dennis Rivest.

"He did express some remorse for the actions he was involved in."

Moorhouse was charged Wednesday morning, and Rivest said his actions did not appear to be planned in advance.

"This doesn’t look like it was anything more than a lapse in judgment," Rivest said.

Details on any pending court appearances were not available.

Read more:

http://www.canada.com/charged+after+banana+throwing+incident+during+game/5471553/story.html#ixzz1ZLzwDKki

Anyone who actually goes to hockey games can tell me. Are bananas usually available at the concession stand? If they are, then OK; if they are not, then it would seem that this fine example of tolerance took a banana to a hockey game, either ate it and hung onto the peel long enough to get to the shootout or he didn’t eat it and held onto the banana long enough to get to the shootout. But the act of throwing the banana or the banana peel (depending on what story you hear) was not premeditated. hmmmmm….

The fact that there was apparently another banana thrown during the game suggests that maybe you CAN get a banana at the concession stand, but I dunno.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Sep 29, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Blockquote fail.

Everything after the http address there is mine and not from the story.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Sep 29, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

And by rec’d I mean flag’d, but not by choice…

by Dorfer on Sep 29, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

same here.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

So now either...

this comment goes green, or I’ll get banned from the site forever.
I don’t know who I feel more like, Al Gore, or Michael Moore. I never really thought too much about this… but if they happened to be in a room together during a radioactive meteor shower I bet Stan Lee would ahvea field day with a new super hero…

THE GELATENOUS GREEN AVENGER

Just picture lime jell-o in a leotard!

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Sep 29, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i never liked the guy, too polemic, but then...

he shot is mouth off about that nasty brazilian company thant bought the nickle mine company INCO, and Moore came to bat for a northern Manitoba town called Thompson whose economy is mining Nickle…i lived there for 4 & 1/2 years, so i now have a little bit of respect for Moore…in all seriousness though, I only have two issues with Americans that I just can’t grasp…no healthcare in this day in age???? This is why under free trade, auto plants like Canada….they don’t have to pay for this…the other is total lack of gun control, religiously arguing by a centuries outdated charter that seriously, when they wrote “right to bare arms” had no clue beyond the musket that A) the British would cease to be a threat, and B) future arms would include the Nuke, auto-matic weapons etc…so when Bush JR would complain about Canadian Pot making its way over the US-CAN border, i couldn’t help but yelling @ the TV so friggin what…50% of the guns used in crimes in Canada are illegally smuggled from the USA, it’s even worse in Mexico and south America…legalize the pot just like tobacco and alcohol and tax the crap out of it.

Other than that, our cultures are very very similar….back to hockey now

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fundamental complaint about Canadians, is that they have two absurd notions of the US they think is correct.
the other is total lack of gun control

Is completely untrue. I lived in Canada and knew more people with weapons than here in the US. It varies by state. We don’t consider the Constitution an outdated charter.

no healthcare in this day in age?

We have Medicare and Medicade for those in financial need. I can give up my Doctor without fear of not finding another. If I recall correctly the head of Nova Scotia went to Florida for his heart procedure.

We have fundamentally different systems and there are merits that may be debated, but it isn’t as sunshine and roses as people pretend it is.

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

here it is national though

i get that the USA is like 50 individual states internally, one nation externally….my grandfather was a winter snowbird, spent winters in Arizona…it was a cultural shock to say the least to see ppl in public with loaded fire arms….

personally, i see very little difference culturally between Canadians and Americans, but I do think the USA has to improve access to health care, some kind of equalization program…Britian apparently has the best system…and yes, America has to do something about the massive amounts of guns…gun control is very contraversal among Aboriginals and hunters and farmers here, particularly Aboriginals, but I still believe some kind of control is necessary….if i had my way though, I totally would like to see the advanced nations of the world amalgamate….they can call it “New World Order” or whatever, but i think that would be better for humanity….i know it won’t happen in my life time, but I also would like to be able to vote for the American president, b/c whatever happens down there has such a huge, huge impact on Canada….economically, military and politically.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Britian apparently has the best system

Depends what you mean by ‘best’… it and programs like it will not exist there 40y from now.

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by TheMetalChick on Sep 29, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait times and access to

but it is speculation that it won’t be there in 40 years…i can’t see them giving up health care as a top priority

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not a matter of priority, its math… and population dynamics.

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by TheMetalChick on Sep 29, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's far more than that, actually simplify it to "math" is conservative political jargon

and that is precisely what extreme right wingers here and in other countries who are against healthcare argue; however, in countries where the majority insist on it, healthcare is successful. you set priorities, and bring in revenues through various ways, taxation is one…and what level of taxation your citizens allow, vote in support of etc. If you place health care ahead of milittary for example, well, that is what Canada has historically done…cheap booze and cigarrets, in USA side of border, tax to death on Canadian side….a huge chunk of which goes to healthcare

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Booze and cig price differences alone

what you call a 1.75 litre of hard booze, up here that will cost you 49 dollars and change to 54 and change…illegal American booze smuggled to Canada is about 30 for 1.75 L, which up here is a 60 ouncer….i can’t remember is there is sales tax on that, i don’t think so. cigs i think are around 7 dollars a pack, or 8 or more, i don’t smoke so not sure….but there is a huge black market in Canada for illegal American cigs too.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is sales tax on booze, just not at duty free, which is negligble in terms of overall sales.

Please try to refrain from terms such as extreme right wing and extreme left wing. I have never heard of someone that is against healthcare or education. Forms or healthcare and education are debated. I prefer to keep ideology out of the argument. Bossy was an extreme right winger in my jargon and Gillies was an exteme left Winger. My favorite played Center – Trottier.

It is not a zero sum game of preferring arms to medicine either since we already admitted that Americans pay more for health care than anyone else as well as more for arms. It is a question of distribution. The US system promotes individual purchases and the Canadian model promotes group purchase. My choosing my own level of health care and insurance does not mean I support more or less military spending. I choose my health care priorites and live with the consequences. My tax savings allow me to blow it on a yacht or not have to wait in line for an MRI. Some cultures prefer that the government to mandate what is a proper level of health care, others allow individuals to determine what is considered excessive. Both systems ration based on money available. It will always cost more if people are allowed to spend as much as they want.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

in countries where the majority insist on it, healthcare is successful

Short term, absolutely.
But long term, it is not sustainable without maintaining population growth of those who will be paying for it.

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by TheMetalChick on Sep 30, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

again, that is just talk not backed by evidence

healthcare is an asset we as Canadians can not afford to not pay for. where is the evidence that a national health care plan is not sustainable? That is yet again political positioning. As for population growth, economically speaking, immigration is good for the economy, need tax revenue to pay for babyboomers retiring etc., but I have never seen an ounce of evidence that supports any theory that health care in advanced western societies is not sustainable. Without healthcare, Ontario would not have its auto sector…and frankly, the most shocking thing I’ve learned from LHH is that you guys pay 4 to 10 grand a year for healthcare….that is literally a mortgage in most parts of Canada…i am from a small farming town. My parents didn’t go to highschool. They came from a time when you went to grade 8 and then got a job…30,000 a year is a good wage there…if i were born in the US, there is absolutely no way I would have had the opportunity to be where i am now.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

the discussion has morphed, but nothing has changed

i think the question you need to ask is, how is Canada paying for its healthcare system? as well as Britian, France, Germany, etc. And is that viable for the US or, would you rather place priority elsewhere? Alcohol and Tabacco taxes is one of the major sources of revenue for our healthcare system…

could take it further, Manitoba has public auto insurance…first accident you pay a one time 200 extra fee when renewing your drivers license. Second time 400, then 600 and it either stops a 600 or 800.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again, these things are not sustainable without growing or at the very least least maintaining population of those who will be paying for it- whether it be via direct taxes or through things like alcohol and Tabacco taxes. Though you believe that it to be opinion, it is not.

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by TheMetalChick on Sep 30, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously, what is sustainable without economic growth???

nothing. Fact is, America, like Canada, are two of the wealthiest countries in the world. America is not Pakistan, if you guys wanted health coverage like us, and most of the west, you most certainly have the money for it…fact is, what I am saying has been proven fact for a very long time here, and in Europe. It is your choice really. Your military is not sustainable either without ppl paying in to tax, neither are roads, schools etc. So really, it is a mute point. We tax to death Alcohol and Tobacco for a large portion of our healthcare costs, your alcohol and tobacco seems almost free to me it is so cheap. So if your 19 or 88, you buy alcohol and tobacco in Canada, your putting more into healthcare than the product you bought actually costs. Canada has also determined that equal access to health and education is actually an economic asset…i would never be earning the wages i can, and would therefore never be paying the taxes i do, without the opportunites I had simply b/c i was born on this side of our imaginary border…what this discussion has done is opened my eyes – i had no clue you guys paid out that kind of money – and made me realize how lucky I am to have been born in Canada…that’s not a knock on your choices down there, but it does make me wonder how anyone can actually get ahead down there.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

it does make me wonder how anyone can actually get ahead down there.

We are a race of Supermen and Wonder Women lead by Manifest Destiny. That is the only rational answer I can think of considering how burdened we are by our lower taxes that we then choose to spend on education, health care, cigarettes and alcohol.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

We spend it on guns too, Lots and lots of guns.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh you have lots of taxes, hidden or otherwise

everytime you go through a toll, that is a tax grab…i won’t touch manifest destiny…john locke et al…at the end of the day, stealing land from Aboriginals…happened here too of course but i’d rather forget about that

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I don't drive on the 407.

I won’t get into stealing etc. since it is all historical perspective that I have no part in. I didn’t walk across an ice bridge to get here either.

and Superman was after all, half-invented by a Canadian.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

and a Canadian invented basketball

i’m not blaming you for colonization, i’m just saying as someone of mixed heritage, Irish/German/Aboriginal…i’d just rather leave that one alone

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simple

You get yourself born well.

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by Dominik on Sep 30, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally did that

then regressed…total bullshit.

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by Keith Quinn on Sep 30, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

if i were born in the US, there is absolutely no way I would have had the opportunity to be where i am now.

I think that argument is unknowable, my mother was a war orphan immigrant to the US and my father a 3rd grade graduate from the depression. I hold two degrees in engineering and have worked in Canada, Europe, Asia and the US. I paid 20k more in taxes when I lived in Canada than I do now. 20k -10k = 10k more that I have in my pocket after health insurance is paid for. This is my personal experience and varies for others.

The US sysem when working, I find to be my best personal option, when it is not working it can be near disastrous, but there are safety nets. I don’t rely on cigarette smoking and aclohol consumption to keep my health care funded. The US has health care, it is just not a system that you care for. I find it obscene that I cannot insure my own health beyond what the state allows me.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

unknowable? Oh no, i know it...

i’d still be catching chickens like i was in highschool..or removing asbestos like i did from 20-22. You see, what I did, literally skipped a few generations…my parents were labourers who had a grade 8 education…and i made it to PhD, publications, etc. I didn’t write my PhD in Arizona b/c i couldn’t afford the tuition. My father’s family has 9 kids, 12 in my mothers…no one, absolutely no one in my family has ever had to pay so much as a penny for healthcare…i honestly can’t even comprehend what that is like, or how stressful it must be for those who can’t…that to me, is down right scary. I’m just being honest. I think if we never had healthcare, may not know the difference, but having it, I can’t think of a greater threat than taking that away, maybe access to education might be a close second. I do appreciate though an American perspect, believe me. I’ve talked about this to several friends and family since last night and their reactions have been the same as mine, shock and head shaking at what you guys pay.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny, I have discussed this with Canadians and Americans since yesterday.

And they too are dismayed that you think you’d still be a chicken plucker if it weren’t for universal health care. What I did, I did in one generation as well. You seem to be missing something. that my dad was 3rd grade and my mother immigrated as an orphan not even speaking English. One generation and two brothers that did it as well.

I’m being honest and gving you actual numbers and facts and you are still trying to tell me it can’t be done. You could not afford tuition in one school in the states. So, I’ve shown you that community colleges exist to get an education and then you compare Concordia to Harvard.

You say they have never paid a penny for health care, but you tell me it is your higher alcohol taxes, higher cigarette taxes, stamp taxes (non-existent here), 20% more in income tax to pay for health care. It isn’t FREE if you are paying taxes for it. Post tax and health care insurance I net more money even with higher health care costs..

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i'm telling you the truth friend

i lived in my car for one summer taking summer school courses so i could start my master’s in the fall…one year when Kraft Dinner had hockey cards on the back….13 in all…i ate enough for my cousin to have five sets…i slept on a gym matt on the floor when writing my PhD in Montreal my first year…

i can tell you for a fact, i know of at least one person who received a PhD from Harvard, their Band (First Nations paid for it) and frankly, we do talk about these things in our academic field, this person was a poor student, that let to many of us losing respect for Harvard, but why should its Ivy towers remain idealized over others? I compared Concordia to Mcgill, and i told you i went there to work under leading historian richard diubaldo, who was one of three students who worked under morris zaslow, first canadian academic to specialize on canadian north…it is not the guys in the bar who write your letter of recommendation but your supervisor…and yes, an MA. in history @ McGill is a joke compared to concordia, but their med and law programs are very good….

and i think you know very well what i mean by paying for healthcare, it is a huge difference between Canada and the US…i could lose my health and never be able to work again and not even have to give healthcare a second thought here..

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

great post :)

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by TheMetalChick on Sep 30, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks - hope i didn't offend my fellow American Isles fans

b/c that wasn’t the intent going astray, but i really enjoyed the learning experience. i was thinking, the difference in healthcare costs/insurance would make a great PhD thesis or disseration, re: the impact on cultural and ideological self. so many things, i would imagine it would even impact a couple’s decision on how many children to have…

The opening of the Canadian North was so recent, the second wave of academics literally came after Zaslow, Diubaldo (Concordia), and S. Grant from Trent, and William Morrison – all Zalsow grads – made it to the top and all teach in small universities. Rich actually worked for the federal department of Northern Affairs as a young student when guys like Diamond Jenness originally were sent north by the Canadian government. I was the very first person to view archival documents on residential schools for Inuit and everything filed and written in that time — and to be able to talk regularly with someone who was there a the table for much of the decisions and knew the players was amazing. Rich died two weeks before he was to signoff on my PhD defence. i also worked under Frank Chalk @ Concordia who co-founded the Montreal Institute of Genocide Studies…Frank is an American who graduated from Wisconsian, and is without a doubt one of the world’s leading academics in the field.
By comparison, McGill has a top notch Canadian military historian, but there top academic on the north is R. Quin Duffy, and his book The Road To Nunavut isn’t suitable for teaching b/c it is wrought with mistakes, some obvious, some not so obvious – he even called rich a montreal anthropologist, yet the guy worked down the street from him lol He has residential schools where none existed, and didn’t even mention ones such as Chesterfield Inlet that are now notorious for sex abuse of kids.

our university systems of governance are not perfect, i know that first hand…they enjoy a lot of autonomy and not enough public scrutiny…but they are more regulated in terms of how they are allowed to produce income and what they can charge students…that has led to some level of parity for the most part (kind of like the NHL salary cap), meaning a B.A. in history at any Canadian university is relatively equal. Of course, there will always be individuals who excel above the rest in their area, and of course every institution has its chosen programs it excels in – like Trent’s indigenous studies programs – Trent is a very small university, yet a number of the leading academics in the field either work there or did…John Milloy, David Newhouse to name a few, my former profs who i worked under and got into field with…

Rich Diubaldo is a prime example. in the US, he would have been at Harvard or Yale, if our system was the same, McGill would be made into an Ivy Tower no question…aside from limited admittance to 75-80% grades from highschool, that is all they can do, and in the long run, that doesn’t mean much. Ontario has at least 4 or 5 universities with MD and Law programs on par or better than McGill – but at least half of Canada’s universities are in Ontario.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 1, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I didn't mean to make light of the debate

with my quip.

I just find it too complex (and my time too caught up with the other topics of the site) to weigh in or make it tangent further.

All in good fun.

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by Dominik on Oct 3, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

good post

when i say extreme left and right, i am merely referring to politican positioning, right and left…our current prime minister is the furtherest to the right we’ve ever had as a PM…the Conservative party is our right wing party (but there are ppl in the party that are even further to right than average Con), your republicans would be closest to them, but still, when it comes to healthcare, even our right wing party is left of your republicans…the NDP our or socialist left party, and the Liberals are the centre party, kind of like your democrats…as for military, what i am saying is, look @ what the average annual % of a nation’s GDP is spent on military. you guys spend by far more of your GDP than us on military. I think you’ll find you spend a far greater % of your GDP than most if not all of the western industrial countries.

still though, there are clearly cultural differences when it comes to healthcare, military (including how our two countries perceive and tell our military histories) and even how we view and portray political leaders. Look @ Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and compare it to John A. Macdonald, our first PM, Wilfred Laurier. Yours are almost made into gods, yet how many Canadians can even tell you when John A. was born? Or who our second PM was…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The US (7.5k) spends nearly double of Canada (4k) based on GDP for health care

Does that mean Canada does not prioritize health care? No it means the US system has tremendous inefficiencies. However, as stated earlier, when you allow people to spend as much as they want on health care the price will always be higher.

I don’t know how to interpret the fact that the average Canadian doesn’t know much about John A. Macdonald or Laurier. Does it mean no critical look has ever been made at the founders, poor history instruction or general disinterest in history?

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Canada's system has inefficiencies too, believe me

but i think most would consider privatization throwing the baby out with the bath water…we do get a bit of the shaft with the “brain drain”. Meaning paying for ppl to be educated as MDs in Canada at much cheaper tuition only to have them move to the United States where they can make a lot more money…i’d like to see them fix it so the graduates either have to payback real costs of their MD education, or, work for 10 years in a Canadian hospital…still, inspite of it all, I still feel far better with our health coverage, particularly after my mother’s transplant…

the history thing is really cultural i believe…i think America has focused more on the “great man” where to some extent, that might be perceived as somewhat not Canadian here, hard to put into words but i do see that as a cultural difference, as well as how we perceive, use and value the flag…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. I can't believe how many Canadian flags are all over the place.

At hockey games in particular you see the maple leaf sprawled out of large sections of the crowds. I recall being in Montreal during the last referendum and they may have caused the explosion in Canadian flags. I sure wish I had stock in the flag manufacturers.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think you know the average American town has more flags than the average Canadian town

not criticizing your countries patroitism at all. the Canadian town i know that has the most flags is Beebe Quebec, where literally one side of the road is American, the other Canadian. both sides have lots…when i was @ Trent University, the president only allowed the flying of one flag, to avoid looking “too American”….that was in the 90s…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

projections like that aren’t necessarily all that useful. For example, it’s hard to predict what medical treatment itself will look like in 40 years. Personally I’m hoping most of it is taken care of by a Jetsons-like maid who also prepares my food and cleans my house.

by afrosupreme on Sep 30, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize we would then be able to vote for your Premiere.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is kinda funny when politically motivated parties slam Canada's system in the USA

generally, they take extreme examples and run with it….does Canada have room for improvement? of course…wait times is the big issue here…USA has great healthcare, just not equal access and the wealthy can jump ahead….Canada’s system is still superior for the average person. You don’t have to worry about losing everything if a family member is sick, i can walk into ant hospital in Canada without worrying about lack of insurance, etc….that said, Britian is the example for Canada to improve, not the USA system which needs to improve it’s access considerably so that all its citizens are equal.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gun control? YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW MR BLOOMBERG

Thomas Jefferson; an unarmed person is a subject, an armed person is a citizen.
 Oh wait or constitution is outdated, sorry our silly piece of paper is up to your standards,

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by bossy2219 on Sep 29, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

written in the 1760s long, long before modern weapons...the musket to the M-16

unless Jefferson invisioned nukes and M-16s and automatic weapons in the hands of private citizens, and the the British would no longer we a threat, yes, in my opinion it is outdated, but hey, your asking my opinion, I’d say the last time the bible was updated was 2,000 years ago, and there are things in there that need updating too, but that is just me….but hey, it just proves my point, Americans and Canadians are very very similar cultures, but we differ on a few things like guns and healthcare…you have a “right to bare arms” while that doesn’t really say what kind of arms, and we have a chartered right to health care, First Nations have this right in Treaty number 6 under the medicine chest clause…that is clearly a different value…which is culture…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that this has anything to do with hockey

But here in the US EVERYONE has access to health care. Everyone. Those who do not have the money are not allowed to be turned away at emergency rooms and certain clinics. The myth that there’s no healthcare is just that – a myth, propagated by those who want the government to control everything.

And to whomever said the Canadian system is free, who are you kidding? The taxes there are astronomical.

And whatever about gun control. The Heller decision pretty much made it irrelevant. Citizens have the right to bear arms and protect themselves, their families and property.

May we please go back to hockey now?

by martylnd on Sep 29, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

taxes here are not astronomical at all...i make a fair wage and i'm not complaining

i don’t mind paying taxes for health, education roads etc….

lack of gun control in usa is the single most reason why as a Canadian we need a real border with USA…come on, seriously, i don’t believe for one second the founding father’s ever invisioned the weapons available today would have been invented…literally, 50% of all gun crimes in Canada are by illegal guns from the USA…which is by far the worst source among industrialized western nations of illegal weapons gobally…the world is a smaller place, and we all are citizens of the world…if american won’t do its part, how can we expect countries like Mexico to improve weapons problems? No one is an isolated country anymore….and I am actually someone who hunts…the fact that there are millions of illegal guns smuggled every year out of the USA is a serious problem that America refuses to take any responsibilty for…a right to bare arms is just an excuse to do nothing and take no responsibilty. Sorry, but if America won’t do anything, well, we are all either part of the problem or part of the solution…something needs to be done…

ok, lets stick to hockey now

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

GUN OWNER!

Or you hunt with your bare hands. Now I am afraid, since I do not have a gun loaded or unloaded.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't own a gun

when i go out on the land, the guys i go out with have lots, plus it is “Crown land” treaty land…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't illegally fire someone else's weapon would you?

Not sure how the laws work about using someone else’s firearm, but I would think you would need to be licensed or you have total lack of gun control in Canada.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

no not at all

your Bureau of Indian Affairs has different laws on reserves too…First Nations in Canada are federal, not provincial responsibilities…there are complex overlaps yes but i hope your not going to ask me to explain all that lol

we do have a healthcare accord between the feds and the provinces that comes up every ten years for renewal…essentially, Canada has maintained a strong central government with the belief that that is central to national unity….there is a right wing argument for greater provincial autonomy but that is a minority view here.

that said, the provinces do have jurisdiction is some areas, and certainly our current right wing PM wants to move in that direction, but even he, our most right wing PM ever, has publicly said healthcare is untouchable…gun control is also an area where feds have jurisdiction here.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what you are saying it that there are different rules even in Canada

Much like it varies from state to state, you have a broader first nation rule set and we have more autonomous states. Which was my very first point when you said gun laws in America are non-existent.

Would you say the Bloc is left or right wing? They aren’t for unity, but are left wing politically. So please stay away from making this right and left.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

umm nooo

we both have different first nations laws…they are “nations” within “nations”…

the bloc are clearly socialist, which is why they pretty much merged, or got whipped out by socialist NDP…once separation waned federally, that the Bloc supporters who vote NDP instead of Liberal or Conservative was a very easy prediction.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which was to my point that provincial autonomy is neither left or right.

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by Hockey1919 on Oct 3, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

We see things pretty much the same.....

The JP Manifesto
1. National Mandatory Sentencing guidelines for illegal gun possession should replace those for drug possession. Isn’t it ridiculous that you can get 20 years for crossing a state line with the leaves of a plant and 6 months for possession of a loaded gun.. Both are due to the control of our congress by pharmaceutical companies.

2. Healthcare. There will never be "FREE" healthcare… anywhere. What Ron Paul had said before, and probably would have continued to say (Letting guy die incident) is that the government should not be responsible for healthcare. I could go on for hours on this subject, but as somebody who has worked in the US Medicaid system for 15 years… there are simple fixes available to a VERY LARGE PROBLEM. Simply put, if we managed medicare and Medicaid as a step system that starts with MAJOR MEDICAL, and ends with Single Payer Total coverage depending on need, compliance and the ability to buy-in you would see Americans willing to transfer the $10K/yr they pay now for their own coverage to the possible $4K in extra taxes that they would incur to help pay for themselves, and others as well.
But again… health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies own congress.

3. I’m thinking the Republicans better start courting Brendan Shanahan pretty quickly. I’ve never seen anybody turn around a system so foul in such a short time. I would love to see Shanny get 15 mins on CSPAN to explain every vote that goes through the house…

Sorry… forgot this was a hockey site….

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Sep 29, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree on number 1 JP

I can’t think of a single scientific argument for legalizing tobacco and alcohol, yet outlawing a plant, of which, it is pretty much impossible to O.D. on. I just think tax dollars could be better spent, and we’re losing a lot of tax dollars by maintaining prohabition rather than taxation.

on 2., if Canada keeps drastically spending money on the military like our current war-mongering PM likes, our beloved healthcare is going to be headed for cuts too…

well, back to hockey

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

10 K and 4 K???

I can’t even imagine having to pay that for health insurance….the only time i ever buy extra insurance is when leaving the country…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's exaggerated by partisan's who want to do away with health coverage

my father has a pace maker, my mother had "fatty liver and was with hours of death before getting a transplant…i’ve been up close and personal with the health system…would never have been able to afford the American system, the long and short of it…and complaining about wait times b/c the rich can buy their way ahead is mute under a system where masses wouldn’t be able to afford to get in line anyway…i would never have been able to afford the education i have in the usa, would never have even dreamt having to annually fork out 10 grand for health care…i wrote my M.A. in Ontario where it is by far the most expensive province for education…i paid 5 grand a year tuition…when i wrote my PhD in Montreal where it is cheapest in Canada, even though they charge out of residence ppl more, i paid 2,000 a year as a non-Quebecor Canadian…even though my mother is from Quebec….in the USA, i would have never had the same opportunities….we pay a lot more for things like alcohol and cigs, but it is almost all tax…49.95 to 54 and change for a 60 ouncer of booze here….that is why smuggling of alcohol and tobacco exist, but i think it is a solid trade off, and the USA should really start taxing these things more…meet us half way…cut organized crime out and take all the tax revenue for social programs

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen the cost of in-state schools? Not the exagerration you think either.

I have two degrees in Engineering from a private college and came out with no debt, but could have gottena free ride going to state school. You seem to think you need to be a millionaires heir to make it in America.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, Concordia university always has a large body of american students

who clearly claim it is due to the costs of education…

i have a friend writing a PhD at Harvard, he’s paying 26 grand a year…but is First Nations so his band covers it…i don’t know of anyone paying anywhere near that for tuition in Canada

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you are comparing Concordia to Harvard?

My wife went to McGill and can assure me Concordia is not Harvard. If you can afford the 26k you can go to Harvard. Otherwise go to state.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

My alma mater in New York has a large Chinese contingent.

Schools are free in China.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My school as private, same cost.

And it isn’t fair Canadians have access to schools at less cost than the Chinese. One system for all, how else are we going to improve the world? Think how much it means to Canada to teach foreigners the value of Canadian culture. Shortsighted to charge more.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hear you

that is how the raise a lot of money though…i can’t remember off hand what the American students paid at Concordia back 10 years ago when i was there, but i believe it was in the 6 to 8 grand range…if you were born in Quebec, the tuition was so rediculously cheap it was practically free. on the flip side, today the hens have come home to roost. no tuition hikes in ages, profs leaving for higher salaries…this is why i believe McGill butchered their history program…prioritizing money to their bread and butter law and medical programs

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you can't have everything for free.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quebec was and is the cheapest province for post-secondary education

even though they charge non-Quebec Canadians more, it is still way cheaper…and this was contraversial…Quebec is also the most socialist Canadian province, with Manitoba not far behind.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The price to pay to retain a unified country.

Nice federal susbsidies that may be starting to dry up.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

we only have 33 million

and a country rich in natural resources…won’t be drying up anytime soon. everything from diamonds to oil, potash, nickle, asbestos, water you name it. plus, southern ontario has a number of auto-plants.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

not a question of resources, but funds.

15 million working adults cannot necessarily pay for 33 million people worht of benefits.

Even drawing oil out of the tar sands in Alberta is controversial in environmental terms. Asbestos not high on my list of things. The auto plants in S. Ontario are of less value if you are only selling to 33 million as well.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Identify potential tax revenues.

charging 50 bucks for 1.75 litre bottle of booze certainly helps…as well as 7, 8 or more dollars for cigs.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charhe 100 bucks for 1,75 won't double revenues.

NYC cigs would be cheap at $7 to $8 per pack.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm just guessing on the cigs..

could find out but i don’t smoke, and don’t buy much alcohol either…

well over half of what you pay in canada for alcohol and tobacco is hidden tax…it is also why smuggling from US is such a widespread business here, but even inspite of that, the tax revenue is still very significant. I personally don’t see an issue with it, alcohol and tobacco are major costs to healthcare so it makes a lot of sense to me…i’d like to an added see a junk food tax too.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Donut tax would be beneficial.

I’m in favor of taxing eveything I don’t use as well. I think salt should be government controlled by the government like in Italy where only licensed vendors could sell it. In NYC Mayor Bloomberg is attacking salt use.

I personally hate waster and think water is being wasted and should be taxed like alcohol and cigarettes. The government would have enough money to prevent contamination in the water like in Walkerton ONT just a couple of years ago and would be a great revenue source for free healthcare.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only answer to this complex debate

Is for the U.S. to invade and occupy Canada.

Then Canada can keep its own laws as State 51, and there will finally be 30 NHL teams within their borders the way God intended.

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by Dominik on Sep 30, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

were way ahead of you here

we now have water meters…

and i strongly support taxing fast food…salt and sugar are two of the greatest expenses of healthcare…actually, having public healthcare played a major role in our government forcing the phasing out of transfats…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly the reason I'm against goverment healthcare.

What I eat affects me and what I pay. I don’t give off second hand fat.

Maybe all of our money should go directly to taxes so that someone smarter than I am can determine how it is best spent for me.

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by Hockey1919 on Oct 3, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah Concordia is kinda like state...but McGill IS comparible to Concordia

we have greater parity, in terms of quality of education and cost.

I went to Concordia b/c i wanted to work under historian richard diubaldo, one of the best in northern history….in canada, while there are profs who are well known in certain areas, basically, a university history B.A. is the same quality @ McGill, Western or Newfoundland or anywhere else…we don’t have the varying difference from institution to institution like in the USA, but for graduate school…McGill has a solid medical and law program, but its M.A. history program is a joke…8 months, 60 page thesis…Concordia students actually are required to do far more…i think they did this on purpose though…

fact is, they don’t have much of a northern history program at all at McGill….while everyone at the bar has heard of McGill, they don’t right your recommendations, your supervising prof does. I’ve taught in 3 universities in 3 provinces, the parity is there for the most part…incidently, i was going to write my PhD in Arizona, but it cost too much…we also don’t require SAT’s which Arizona did, b/c of parity in Canadian universities…so depending on the program, your wife is wrong…
As for Harvard, I know of at least one person who has a PhD there that essentially was bought and paid for, getting number up.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harvard can charge alot because it pays for itself

The Harvard class of ’98 found that out firsthand, bagging average total pay packages worth $163,792 — roughly $11,000 more than grads at No. 2 postgraduate breadwinner, Stanford. Harvard graduates also received the highest average base salary, weighing in at $90,675.

SAT’s have nothing to do with parity, but the ability of the student.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

what i am saying is, we are not required to right sat's when applying to another U

they just look at your grades from last U.

those are some salaries too…i was getting close to 80 grand when i left for private work in south…@ 100 grand, they publish your salary…frankly, the higher rank you get, the more power and in far too many cases, the less work…i worked easily 100 hrs a week for that 80 grand…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Almost all accredited colleges accept transfer credits

Many of my friends kids go community and then private to save two years of tuition. I think it is because professors are overpaid ;).

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Howard County Community College

Is $1740 for 18 credits, (US dollars so depending on the day can be a bargain in Canadian dollars.) Not Harvard, but at least it is affordable.

I’d rather talk hockey because I’d like to see Tonelli in the Hall too, but there is room for both him and Tretiak ;).

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol me too

while this is interesting, i hate poltics, even though i’ve worked in it…it is at the end of the day an assholes game, so lets get back to hockey lol

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Washington DC is hollywood for ugly people!

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you checked your tax bill? My tax differential coming back to the States made up for that.

So nothing is free and the US has a long way to go to be perfect. However, when I travel abroad, I’m already covered by my insurance. Quebec outlaws personal medical insurance, which limits you to the federal system. England invented the CatScan and has far fewer per capita than the US. My dog got an MRI quicker in Canada than I could and my hosptial in the US has never been on critical by-pass sending me in an ambulance someplace else. All I’m saying is that we can all learn from each other’s systems and broad general statements are usually wrong.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree it's not perfect, but still prefer the Canadian system

i don’t mind if there is an option that is faster south of the border and my country pays to send me there for treatment…so long as the guy with 4 kids working 9 to 5 has the same access and coverage as Warren Buffet….but in spite of everything, there are a few private clinics in Canada anyways, bit of grey area

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep that's why your Prime Minister left the country to get medical treatment

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by bossy2219 on Sep 29, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

it wasn’t the Prime Minister, it was the Premier of Newfoundland and he went to Miami necause that was the only place in North America where the surgery he needed could be had.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Sep 29, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to be confused with Bossy2219.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't have the option of coming south for coverage if we had the same system

If someone wants to pay more for extra care, none of my business. You may like fancy cars and not care about your health. The idea that everyone has equal access is great if everyone has equal access to the best care. I wouldn’t want a system where I limit what someone else could get because it isn’t affordable for everyone. Let’s reduce it to aspirins for everyone because Tom Cruise has a personal ultrasound machine and not everyone can have one. I think you can have a social framework and still allow personal insurance that allows you to get “more” than what is affordable to the masses.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I fear Canada is getting closer to the tax shell game that happens in USA now

it isn’t possible to keep cutting taxes when inflation happens every year…tolls on roads, etc. that is all tax that doesn’t show up on the bill…taxes are important, i don’t mind paying tax for health and education, or roads etc.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that was the conservatives under mike harris

socialist NDP wanted cars and big trucks on separate highways, lost next election to Harris sold it to wealthy partisans…yep…very nice road too the 407, too pricey though

i guess the cons would be our right wing party…liberals in centre, ndp to the left

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both parties wanted the money, why would NDP propose a two tiered system?

Seems like a road for Mr Buffet and one for everyone else.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

NDP didn't

Harris sold off a lot of public property to fund tax cuts…NDP came in during a recession, raised welfare, etc. It wasn’t a teo-tier system under NDP, it was never to be a private highway under them

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a pay as you go road. The rich could afford it and the poor couldn't.

Not fair.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would like to say, I have nothing but respect for Warren Buffet

and can we please now get back to arguing about Tonelli not being in HOF and why Tretiak shouldn’t be lol?

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was pro-Tonelli, pro-Tretiak.

You were the pro-Tonelli, anti-Tretiak.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd repsect him more if he stopped talking about how unfair it is he doesn't pay enough in taxes...

and would just pay more. You do have the option of giving more, it is right there on the tax form and he should exercise his right to do it. I’m all for everyone paying there fair share and even more if they so choose.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

t(here fair) meant their fair. amongst my many other typos.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 30, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Canada pays 1.7 billion annually alone for the taxpayer funded CBC

there are sooo many areas to cut social spending before healthcare would even be at risk….

we spend about 7 cents out of every tax dollar on military…8 1/2 on healthcare, but there are a number of areas where we spend more than on healthcare…i personally don’t believe in tax dollars going to CBC, but there are lots of CBC supporters here…i favour privatizion on that issue

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by bossy2219 on Sep 29, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fruit Stands in the Stands

I read he bought the banana in the arena, so it may not be a case of him buying a banana and bringing it to the rink for the sole purpose of making himself public enemy number 1 across Canada. I’ve read conflicting accounts on whether he threw the banana before or after the goal was scored. He said he was just trying to distract the Flyer, which wouldn’t hold water if the goal were already scored . I also read he was a Wings fan, which seems a little bit obvious since it was Wings vs Flyers. This still makes me wonder why he would care about the results of a shoot-out in presesason?

Sometimes a banana is just a banana. I know I was quick to judge and he may be a real ass, but maybe he is just plain stupid. Don’t throw sh*t on the ice in any case.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ha

I confess, amid all this insanity I did think, “A banana makes a helluva fun projectile.”

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by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait. They sell fruit at the arena?

I’ve never seen that. Of course, the vast majority of the games I’ve been to were at the Coliseum during the late 90’s. Had the concession stands sold fruit, most nights would have probably ended with the ice surface looking like a farmers market.

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by PGI on Sep 29, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently they do in London.

I was surprised by this as were apparently many other people. I think it is for the health nuts, the people I call “Light Beer Drinkers”.

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

All this talk about bananas, I'm gonna go ahead and bet one.

  
Flyers to win Division: 1 banana + and a peel for practical joke usage
Penguins to win Division: 1 banana + handful of banana chips
Devils to win Division: 6 bananas + all you can hear banana jokes
Rangers to win division: 9 bananas + free phamphlet on how to keep warm on chilly evenings in hell
Islanders to win Atlantic Division: 25 Bananas! Tally me bananas!
Islanders to win Stanley Cup: Thats 80 bananas! Or you get the whole banana tree, along with that yellow bird up high in said banana tree

What did the boy banana say to the girl banana? “You have a lot of appeal.”

by Isles2011 on Sep 29, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brother bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime

His sister had another one, she paid it for a lime.
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, she called the doctor, woke him up,
And said, “Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?
I say, Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?”
“Now let me get this straight ",
Put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
Put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
Put the lime in the coconut, you drank them both up
Put the lime in the coconut, you called your doctor, woke him up,
And say, ‘Doctor, ain’t there nothing I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?
I say, Doctor, doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say, Doctor, dooooctor, to relieve this belly ache?’
Put the lime in the coconut, drink them both together,
Put the lime in the coconut, then you feel better,
Put the lime in the coconut, drink them both up,
Put the lime in the coconut, and call me in the morning
Wouh wouh wouh wouh wouh
Brother bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime
His sister had another one, she paid it for a lime.
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up,
She put the lime in the coconut, she called the doctor, woke him up,
Say “Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve this belly ache?
I say, Doctor, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say Doctor! let me get this straight”.
You put the lime in the coconut, drink them both up,
You put the lime in the coconut, drink them both up,
You put the lime in the coconut, drink them both up,
Put the lime in the coconut, you such a silly woman!,
Put the lime in the coconut, drink them both together,
Put the lime in the coconut, then you feel better.
Put the lime in the coconut, drink them both down
Put the lime in the coconut, and call me in the morning
Woo Woo, ain’t there nothin’ you can take, I say
Woo Woo, to relieve my belly ache,
You say woo woo ain’t there nothin’ I can take, I say
Woo woo, to relieve your belly ache,
You say yah yah, ain’t there nothin’ I can take, I say
Waah waah, to relieve this belly ache,
I say doctor!, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say doctor!, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say doctor!, ain’t there nothin’ I can take,
I say Doctor!, you such a silly woman!,
Put the lime in the coconut, drink them both together,
Put the lime in the coconut, then you feel better,
Put the lime in the coconut, drink them both up,
Put the lime in the coconut, and call me in the moooooorning,
Yes, you call me in the morning,
If you call me in the morning, then

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Sep 29, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I just got sad again.

Why did they have to kill him off the series? I liked him…

There is a problem with outliving your enemies, it usually means that you have outlived your friends as well...
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by burpchelischili on Sep 30, 2011 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone had to catch that bullet

and it wasn’t gonna be Sealy.

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Sep 30, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

True...

They could have taken out the weasley little fed girl, whomever the hell she was. Or they could have had the “special glass” deflect the bullet enough so that he lived. Where the hell am I gonna get totally unrelated facts from now? Do they expect me to look them up on my own?

There is a problem with outliving your enemies, it usually means that you have outlived your friends as well...
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by burpchelischili on Sep 30, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate getting old...
Sometimes a banana is just a banana

When I say that around the office people look at me like I have three heads.

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Sep 29, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's in the way that you peel it

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have we determined if it is okay to smoke it?

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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Predictions are total BS

I mean looked what happened with the Red Sox. The Boston papers were touting them as being their best team yet during spring training.

The Isles will DEFINITELY NOT finish at 27th. I’m expecting anywhere from 7th-10th in the conference. I’m sure there werent high predictions for the 01-02 team either…

by Isles1228 on Sep 29, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Keep in mind if they expect a lot of bets on the ‘over’ they’ll inflate the prediction (i.e. jets)

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by Ubiquitous on Sep 29, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This^

I should’ve added the usual explanatory notes about betting lines being made to entice betting, not to be predictions.

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by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Horse racing?

Where the payoff has nothing to do with prediction but everything to do with how people bet. Basically your betting against all the other bettors and not the experts.

If this is the case here I have no quarrels with this (just proves what we know the masses have no idea what the Isles are goin bring this season)

by neologizer on Sep 29, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paramutual Wagering

Is pretty simple. All the money goes into one pool, the house takes a cut and divides it up amongst the winners. With the vegas system an expert will set a line. Wagering will affect the line, but usually the vig is where the house makes it’s money. The house wants an equal amount on both sides of the bet, then it just collects its 10% or iin the above case 15%. If adjusting the lines doesn’t work they will try to lay off the overage to another house.
I’d imagine this is very similar to the back office of a fund management corp… only there’s hookers…. well… okay, so there’s no difference.

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Sep 29, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

But once the bid is placed, the individual bet's numbers are set, right?

In other words, the adjustment only affects bets placed after the adjustment, not retroactive, right?

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 29, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...

…in a casino type wager. You have contract at set odds. In a paramutual system you’re odds are set when the betting is ended and the event begins.
So if you were to take the Islanders over 81.5 points @ -115 you would give the cashier $115 and you’d get a ticket with that info on it. If they get 82 points you can cash the ticket for $215.
If you bet on WhoPhanoofed in the fourth at Belmont @ 5to1 you wouldn’t really know what your odds are until everybody had their bets in.

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by JPinVA on Sep 29, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Over/Under 81.5 pts. on Bodog

It has both Over/Under at (-115)…so if you pick either one you stand to lose money.

You only figure 8 once.

by The Black Map on Sep 29, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually, it has -115 for every team...

Does that stand to change or am I missing something here?

You only figure 8 once.

by The Black Map on Sep 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you -110

But my over under would be 87.

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Sep 29, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would put nice bucks down on

1) Making the playoffs and 2) Winning the Atlantic (the payout is ridic)

but that O/U thing is confusing me. I want to put loot down on that but not if I’m standing to lose money either way, which obv does make sense.

You only figure 8 once.

by The Black Map on Sep 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I only advise betting holy cards

But if you’re going, try supporting our sponsor(?), OddsShark (links at the bottom of every page). I don’t really know what they do or how I might benefit, but they’re there so they must help keep this place afloat.

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by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knowledgebase question.

If I buy a kid’s Isles jersey on eBay, is there a place where I can take it to customize?

by O.Bender on Sep 29, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I would think any of those T-Shirt / Uniform places would do it.

Obviously might be a bit more expensive since it’s a one-off, but why not?

by Les Beaver on Sep 29, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Port Jeff sporting goods

does great lettering/numbering. They have branches in Smithtown, and I think they are at the pro shop at the Rinx in Happauge. They may have others too.

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by Keith Quinn on Sep 29, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope the NHL...

doesn’t monitor this site. That’s a sure way to get one of their “shoppers” in that store making sure the guy complies with all licencing agreements.
Better to direct folks to the Islander Stores in a public setting.
Kinda like saying, "Hey Keith, who was blonde I saw you with last night. "
all well and good unless your brunette wife is reading…

just sayin’

Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!

by JPinVA on Sep 29, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thankfully I don't think the league has claimed rights on customization

So now I’m worried you are giving the lurkers an idea!

In the EPL (English soccer), “proper” customization involves a single font — the same font for every team, often changing very few years — with a big ol’ Barclay’s logo at the bottom of each number. It’s really amazing how soccer has made ads an expected part of the uniform.

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by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing how they have "lcorporate logos" on their numbers isn't it?

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely the "over" on points.

But for saying how many points they’d get. Way too pr*j*cti*n-ish for me.

Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Sep 29, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Those are very laughable predictions.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Sep 29, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I think I'll wait until the playoffs

I’ve never actually done sports betting before but I usually do pretty well in giving other people advice. I know quite a few of my friends made money off of me getting advice on the Premier League betting lines and I came in 2nd place last year in our playoff pool here. Not sure I’m comfortable betting projections over the span of a season but after seeing the teams for the year I’m confident.

Isles jerseys I've owned: Fisherman, Tim Connolly, Josh Bailey RBK Edge edition. I've got a history of success.

by ArsenalLI on Sep 29, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd take over on Caps too

They had 107 pts this past season. So anything better than last season would win the bet. Gotta think Ovechkin does better. Good chance of Semin too. They have a good group of defensemen and now one of the top-8 goalies in the league in Vokoun with 2 good backups as insurance. The only other top-10 team I’d consider is LA…. But I still think Isles over is a better bet than either of those.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

The Caps have one little worry...

Will Ov feel the Shanhammer this year?

There is a problem with outliving your enemies, it usually means that you have outlived your friends as well...
Honnor thy father - D. Vader (Robert Asprin, Myth series)

by burpchelischili on Sep 30, 2011 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that is the best caption I have seen-to-date.

I loved Easy-E. Not to mention that was one of my nicks back in the day. I’m lucky I didn’t have a mouthful of something when I read that one.

Until we cure this tea kettle there will never be enough bread in the laundry. Ding Dong! Karate!

by metalcoconut on Sep 29, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Thank you!!

Earlier in the day I’d meant to chime in with a “What, nobody gonna show any love for E?” but then I got distracted.

You don’t know how relieved I am.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's almost as if Lucas and Spielsberg got a hold of Easy E and purified it.

Until we cure this tea kettle there will never be enough bread in the laundry. Ding Dong! Karate!

by metalcoconut on Sep 29, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did Toronto jump to 19?

Where is the logic in that one? Oh wait, is it because they have Team America coaching them now? Other than Kessel, who is going to score for them again…Schenn from the point? I guess they are expecting Connolly to have a 70 point season!!!???!!!!

It also appears that someone got into the Buffalo Kool-aid. 9th overall for a brand new team? That is a bit of an over reach IMO.

Until we cure this tea kettle there will never be enough bread in the laundry. Ding Dong! Karate!

by metalcoconut on Sep 29, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

It's the Vegas game

The lines aren’t what the setters actually think. They’re what they think everyone else thinks. I imagine they’ll make some money on Toronto people betting high on the Leafs, and especially on people jumping on the Sabres

If anything, I’m surprised to see the Rangers that low

by Dr. Copp on Sep 29, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Do you gamble, Lieutenant?"

“Everytime I order out.” – Frank Drebin

by Isles2011 on Sep 29, 2011 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Dragnet?

Bleeding orange & blue since '72.

by IslanderDoug on Sep 29, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, movie fail...

Naked Gun. I meant to say…

Bleeding orange & blue since '72.

by IslanderDoug on Sep 29, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well after watching the Montreal vs Tampa game

Disclaimer: One preseason game, but mostly starting line ups.

I have to say they will be the odd man out when it comes playoff times. Whats with them and tiny forwards, there was a speedy prospect winger Gallager, I believe, who was 5’9. Though taken in the 5th round. Anyways, I digress, they were blown away by Stamkos and co. 4 – 0, not really converting on anything and unable to really penetrate Tampa. Tampa on the other hand has St. Louis, Stamkos, LeCavalier, Hedman and now add Connolly, who had 2 goals along with Stamkos. The only weakness I see with them is will the old man hold up in net and is Guy Boucher, really their backup. Thats about it.

by ghalbart on Sep 29, 2011 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

But

THEY HAVE CHRIS CAMPOLI NOW.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 30, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't like Shanahan as a person but I respect him for the job he's doing.

The game really needed someone with this sort of mindset running the disciplinary end of things and it’s one of the few things the NHL’s gotten right in the Era of Betteman.

John Tavares: Loyalty. Character. The power to put every sports writer in Toronto on anti-depressants just by signing a piece of paper.

by BrassBonanza10 on Sep 29, 2011 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Because Ottawa is the capitol of Canada and Hartford doesn't count to the rest of the hockey world.

And I wish that were even slightly laced with sarcasm…but it’s not. It’s just the truth.

John Tavares: Loyalty. Character. The power to put every sports writer in Toronto on anti-depressants just by signing a piece of paper.

by BrassBonanza10 on Oct 1, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Outside of Ottawa fans I don't think many care about Yashin, if anything, its chalked up to the mythical "Russian facotr" Think of every nasty thing you ever heard about Yashin from Isles fans, it was said by Ottawa fans first

Kind of like Isles fans on Muller, but I dare say it means little if anything to Devil’s or Rags fans. Ottawa may be the capital, but as far as hockey is concerned its Toronto, and Montreal to a lesser extent though Habs fans are more fanatical in my view…Yashin was public enemie number one in Ottawa, they seem to love “Alphie” though…

(In Canada you always hear outside of Ontario “whatever Ontario wants Ontario gets”, yet in Ontario, outside of Toronto, you always hear, “whatever Toronto wants Toronto gets”)

The hate for Yashin in Ottawa began when he donated 1 mil to an art gallary, and whatever the insider political ranglings, Yashin then either withdrew it, or refused to give it…can’t recall particulars…Than he did something that actually conflicts with Charles Wang’s philosophy, he had a signed contract and sat out regardless demanding a new deal for more money, including the contracted year(s) that he was already under contract for….if i recall, Milbury actually said publicly that the Isles would not be interested in Yashin b/c they would not be interested in a player that would not honour a contract…of course, the Isles later traded for him….and, there were already questions about Yashin’s “character” and “heart” on the ice. Ottawa is a small market team, and outside of their local fan base, you just don’t see many Sens fans in the rest of Canada, I would bet their sales of merchandise reflect this…I would even wager the Flyers (b/c of the Broad Street Bullies), Wings (b/c they win) and Pens (b/c of Lemieux and Crosby) have more Canadian fans outside of Ottawa and sell more merchandise then the Sens.

probably the biggest profile player to demand a trade from Toronto was Darly Sittler, one of the greatest centres of his generation…and still loved by Toronto fans….that of course was during the dark Ballard (Leafs owner of the day) years, so probably why fans forgave or never held it against him in the first place. He even starred in a used car commerical stating “I want a trade.” There was also a high ranking D prospect named Craig Redmond who refused publicly to play for Toronto if they drafted him…the Kings picked him, had i think a good rookie year, not much more..a bust more or less…

i think it boils down to it all being relative…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Oct 1, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if Yashin were Canadian he gets a free pass like Shanahan and Mueller.

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Oct 3, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And Lindros.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 4, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Whalers weren't the only one he was screwing at the time

Hey-oh!

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Oct 1, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure where to look...

Is there an over/under line for games lost due to the Shanhammer?
I’ll take the over!

There is a problem with outliving your enemies, it usually means that you have outlived your friends as well...
Honnor thy father - D. Vader (Robert Asprin, Myth series)

by burpchelischili on Sep 30, 2011 7:41 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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