Islanders on Waivers: Wishart, Reese, Frischmon, Wallace, Marcinko
[Final Update: All five players have cleared waivers.]
According to Newsday's Arthur Staple and the Post's Brett Cyrgalis [update: now confirmed by the team], five New York Islanders will be hitting exposed to waivers today: Tomas Marcinko, Trevor Frischmon, Tim Wallace, Ty Wishart and Dylan Reese.
None of those are a surprise except possibly Wishart, who was acquired for Dwayne Roloson last winter and played well down the final stretch of 2010-11. You'd have to think a position was there for the taking for Wishart, but at least in the small sample of a couple preseason games he did not grab it. Still, Wishart becomes one of the more interesting names to hit the waiver wire league-wide.
Meanwhile, despite last night's contrasts this doesn't necessarily mean that youngsters like Matt Donovan or Calvin De Haan have leapt Wishart: Those guys do not require waivers, Wishart does. More will become clear as they divide up into separate groups for the rest of camp. It does make you figure a Steve Staios signing is imminent.
If they clear they'll be Bridgeport-bound at the start of the season, but of course Staple notes that the teams are in a combined camp right now anyway.
Islanders Links
- More on last night from TSN: Flames earn victory over young Islanders lineup [TSN]
- Note: The Highlights clip (including Gillies hit) from last night has been added to our recap post.
- NYI FYI with Steve Staios: NYI FYI: Steve Staios Hopeful to Make Team
- On the Islanders power play: Putting the power in power play - New York Islanders
- Is the Islanders schedule soft? [FanShot discussion here]
- Neat bit on Kirill Kabanov. [FanShot to Botta post]
- The official site talks with David Ullstrom about avoiding the sophomore slump, getting a shot to make the team.
- The story of the laughably predictable Coliseum task force at a stalemate: Coliseum task force can't agree on plan. [FanShot here]
My favorite quote from the Coliseum piece:
"It should come as no surprise that at the end of the day there is no overall consensus on direction," Eidler said. The announcement came just hours after Hempstead Town Attorney David Levy asked to be removed from the task force, saying the group's mission had "morphed" from advising Mangano on an RFP to issuing a plan of its own.
Nassau politics for the win!
The Day in Suspensions and non-Suspensions:
- NHL: No punishment for Wayne Simmonds after alleged slur - Puck Daddy
- Neil hit on Grabovski - Leafs vs. Sens (Sept 27,2011) - YouTube
- JF Jacques Suspension Video: Holy crap, Shanny's not fooling around!
- Shanahan says public shouldn't be so critical of predecessor Campbell - ESPN
- How does Jody Shelley's suspension impact the roster? - Broad Street Hockey
- Great piece: Shanahan Getting Discipline Right | Houses of the Hockey | theScore.com
Finally, not suspension- or Islanders-related but fun nonetheless: Quisp is cracking me up with his Drew Doughty coverage. Bummer for Kings fans. So glad all the Islanders are signed before camp.
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that was quick...
as soon as i called staios making the top 6 in the previous thread, i saw this.
gotta say, garth may be giving up too quickly on wishart. why can’t they just send him to bridgeport and at least see if he develops a little more?
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
He has to clear waivers to be sent down
They are not giving up on him.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t like exposing him though. i enjoy being the team that “moulsons” or “grabners” the other team. not the other way around.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
Yeah, it's tricky
I don’t know if the timing matters — trying to squeeze him through now, with a crowd of other AHLers, while a ton of players are hitting waivers, in hopes that no one claims him.
One thing in their favor is that a lot of teams are trying to slip their own Wisharts through waivers. Everyone has a “you might be a 6 or 7 but we’re not sure and we need room” right now.
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I thought that, too
With other teams checking out their own prospects, they may not want or need to pick up someone else and he slips. I’m not the biggest Wishart fan, but I’d hate to see them having given up Roloson for nothing. But maybe some more AHL time would be a good thing for him.
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Not a single guy has been claimed yet
We got Grabner on the last day to finalize rosters. Doing it now might be easier than when a team knows what holes it has at the end of camp.
No Sleep 'til....
I'm a hopin' so
Save your final day cuts for the waiver-exempt … unless you’re Tallon.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
If a team does pick-up Wishart, they would need to make some other player available as well.
So it isn’t an endless supply of pick-ups. I don’t there is a limit on how many pick-ups other then having to let someone go and I think the order never changes even if you just picked someone up off the wire.
Snow may just be waiting to see what his assistant GM in Florida is going to send up to New York and needs the room.
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by Hockey1919 on Sep 28, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Nice
his assistant GM in Florida
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Rec'd...
the asst GM in FL is going to be his official name. I second the motion…all in favor say, “YEA”
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Thirded
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Right
Also, Another case where the isles have the benefit of cap space. Many other cases the teams trying to clear room.
Isles can slip him by perhaps
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I was thinking this on the drive home last night, at some point decisions will have to be made.
Eventually Garth and company are going to whiff and give up on the wrong player. The hope is that you have the organizational depth to make a couple of mistakes and get by. You don’t want them to be Neely-esque or Chara -esque mistakes (in terms of trading too soon), but you can’t keep everyone.
I didn’t think it would be Wishart, but I was looking at all of the third and fourth line guys we have in the pipeline line DiBo, Ullstrum, etc. Any or all of them can make the NHL, but it is unlikely they can all make the Islanders.
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Inevitable whiffing
Eventually Garth and company are going to whiff and give up on the wrong player.
Yeah, that concern always worries me. It’s inevitable.
I’ve always thought the toughest part of a rebuild isn’t the lottery days, but the decisions you make once you finally have enough decent bodies to make tough decisions. They’re starting to near that point. The CBA and waiver rules are set up so you can only horde young talent for so long.
If claimed I wouldn’t figure Wishart to be “the one that got away,” but I would be really worried that they will need him this year more than whoever else would step in.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I don't think Wishart is the second-coming of Denis Potvin either.
Then again I never thought Chara would be more than a larger Ken Morrow without the hockey sense. Turns out he was Ken Morrow in a larger frame with offensive upside (and three less rings).
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You have stated this before...
… and I agree.
The tough part about Wishart is that there may have been other options. The tough speculation is that the decision was made for reasons deeper than his recent play.
Ty has now been [potentially] given away by three organizatons (SJ, TB, NYI). He has looked very close to NHL ready… especially as a 5-6 D. I’m just wondering if it’s an “attitude” thing. Sometimes apathy is contagious… and they definitely don’t need that in a young locker room with a very steep hill to climb.
Of course… that’s just speculation… but it is a curious waiver move.
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We already did this
with te wee defenseman on Minnesota now…forgot his name.
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That's him!
Let’s hope that’s the worst of it…I’d hate to be haunted by the ghost of Jyri Niemi
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Especially
if the ghost is a smurf. Ghostie Smurf! Ahhhh!!!
by Isle in Topanga on Sep 28, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
why can’t they just send him to bridgeport and at least see if he develops a little more?
That is exactly what he is trying to do.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Have never been big on Wishart
I said very early on that was looking like a bad trade by Garth. Could have gotten something better for Rollie. But then again, he has been terrible this preseason, and his chances of clearing waivers is probably pretty good.
Getting almost nothing for Rollie would make me sad
He was my favorite. There were plenty of teams that need stable goaltending that were probably willing to give us more than Wishart. If someone were to claim him, I doubt they will, but if a team were to claim him then that would put a damper on the trade even more that I had previously. Wishart was terrible last night, but he still has potential.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
by pippup on Sep 28, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But of course we obtained Rollie for nothing
as far as assets, so if we lose Wish we still break even.
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by since70too on Sep 28, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
IMO that isnt a reason to refrain from doing what a GM thinks is best for the player and the team.
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
There were plenty of teams that need stable goaltending that were probably willing to give us more than Wishart.
Impossible to prove, but I don’t believe that’s the case. There wasn’t much movement on that front (Nabokov was another goaltender moved), so I bet the choice was between a 2nd-round pick (50-ish range) or Wishart. I didn’t mind choosing Wishart if that was the option.
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Oh boy, Wishart is one of the guys we didn't wanna see on waivers. Fingers crossed.
This could mean one of a couple things:
-DeHaan is making the team
-Staios or another d-man is getting a contract
-Garth is bringing in a d-man.
I really think Wishart is getting picked off Waivers now and gone. We traded for him, somebody’s got to like him enough to throw him on their bottom pairing defense.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Grabner didn't impress in camp last year...
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by NYI_22 on Sep 28, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Grabner never impresses in camp by his own accounting.
But, Florida only had him for the summer if I recall correctly. The Islanders have had about six-months to evaluate Wishart. I admit I’m second-guessing them on this one too, but they have more of a book on Wishart, than FLA had on Grabner and the Cats gave up more to get Grabner as well.
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Valid Point
Agree that Wishart has had much longer “audition” with Isles and other than flashes of potential has done little to justify roster spot. Snow really believes this is year Isles can make significant improvement & this is one way of letting guys know that only players he believes can take team to next level will be around! I’m speculating Snow might have wanted to send him down last yr – but due to injuries on the D & negative pr aspect that he was our return on Rollie- Snow let him finish season & gave him some training camp time to show more than “potential.” I think this is good for Wishart – let him work on his game & turn potential into performance!!
Yeah, Wishart is not Grabner lol Wishart is, at best, a third pairing guy for me.
He’s got good size, but he looks slow at times and his offensive upside is limited. He’s not some star player. Grabner was a talented guy who just hadn’t put it together yet; I’m not sure about the level of talent Wishart ultimately has.
I see Wishart is a "plug" player
plugs a hole until someone better develops….Hamonic, Pedan and Mayfield for me are the 3 D prospects Isles need most to panout…i just don’t want to wait 4 years for the last two to develop…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 28, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
1. because this is a very valid point.
2. you quoted me in your signature… me me me… it’s all about me!
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subversive msg to Dom...
my recs are coming up as “flags”
and when the reply box opens the word “SUBJECT” is in the subject line.
What is happening to my living room… I feel a draft and I don’t knwo where it’s coming from.
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The subject thing appears intentional
Or at least it was happening to me (and now it’s not…weird).
The rec/flag thing was happening last night, too. Apparently it registers the rec, it just doesn’t look that way until next time you refresh.
I blame Milbury.
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by Dominik on Sep 28, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blame yourself
I can’t stop doing that!
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's hard to resist
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Yeah I could see either of those three 3 + Donovan
It’s certainly a chance though. Nobody has been claimed so far in camp but if we lost him I’d be kinda upset.
No Sleep 'til....
My concerns/expectations exactly
I definitely thinkl that Staios is gonna get signed now.
deHaan in NHL would be unfortunate. 1 year in AHL would complete his NHL development. Ready for a FT Gig in NHL next season. Shea Weber was developed like this!!
Wishart can provide good service this year. I like some of what I saw last season.
If garth is bringing in a D-Man that changes perspective a bit but not too much
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Wouldn't that be Nassau Politics for the block, please?
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by Pauly C on Sep 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Zing
Well done, and yes.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I'm sorry, but that's a wrong answer.
Circle gets the square.
What about Ullstrom, Rakhshani, et al
Would they need to clear waivers before being sent down?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
Not yet
In fact right now I’m searching for anyone else who will require waivers and is likely to be an issue and I don’t see one who stands out.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Well, it only applies to certain guys. Generally speaking guys without much of a body of work, like Wishart. You can just get a guy feeling he sucks.
Wouldn’t really apply to say, a guy like Bailey. He has too much experience to say he sucks.
he's right.
He was so bad I was coughing from the stink. That rarely happens. It’s a telling sign.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you!
Finally someone who is not overrating Wishart.
Throw Rakhshani in there as well. He sucks….and is always hurt. I hope we stop talking about Rakhshani as providing any sort of contribution at the NHL level….EVER…..please, let’s move on.
Was it wrong to consider Wishart a top 6-7 candidate?
Or Rakshani’s prospects, when he’s entering the second year of a two-year deal after leading the AHL team in scoring last year?
Prospects, they don’t work out often. That’s implied (or should be) in any discussion of them.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
The worst part about potentially losing Wishart is that we had already been supplied with a nickname for him.
I do think it sucks
And Wizard & Peanut Butter Cup was something I would endure losses to hear more of.
Aww, who are we kidding though? Someone else is going to get hurt, Wishart is going to be recalled (if he’s even assigned in the first place) and he’ll live on.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
does he qualify
for the re-entry veteran discount… somebody needs to read that damn CBA… and do it quickly, it’s gonna be changing soon.
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I was reading it for that very reason
But I quit before I looked up where Wishart is.
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I tried to clip the PPP primer today
but since you clipped it last year, it basically doesn’t let you do it. You may have to find it and add to story directly, but it a nice cliff’s notes.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If Wishart gets claimed, what does that do to the LHH Top 25 Prospects?
And is the Top Prospects like the new pro*et**ns thing? They don’t get injured per se, just waived?
Shit, I stopped at 25
I guess everyone under Wish gets shuffled up a slot and we pick a new #25?
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How wrong was I...
considering Wishart was a shoe in for an NHL roster spot I had him at 7
tavares
okposo
bailey
hamonic
poulin
wishart
niederreiter (I hate that I’m gonna have to spell that 10 more times this year if he makes the NHL)
strome
rakhshani
MY LIST IS BASED MORE ON ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAN POTENTIAL
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Being waived doesn't mean he isn't a lock - it just means he's not a lock on Long Island.
It looked like the logjam was at offense and not defense that caught everyone by surprise.
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MY LIST IS BASED MORE ON ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAN POTENTIAL
Then where in the FnGO is Grabner?
by afrosupreme on Sep 28, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good point
and I’d argue that Hamonic did more to establish himself in his 60 games than Bailey has done in three years.
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Grabner is #2...
Behind Tavares. I don’t have the FNList, but the top 5 go something like:
Tavares
Grabner
Okposo
Hamonic
Bailey
All of them are ESTABLISHED NHL PLAYERS. Hamonic might regress, but he did one helluva job last year. IMHO Bailey has done more than any other Islander draft pick not given even a year to develop besides Tavares.
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Ah
I thought that was your top 10 and figured it was an oversight. I really just wanted an excuse to write “where in the FnGO.”
by afrosupreme on Sep 30, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I get it..
just bored… lookin gthrough older posts and saw your response. I said that Wishart was #7 and had only five in front of him… I never said I was a genius.
I figured that Wishart was NHL ready… I’m still not convinced that guys like Nino, deHaan and Donovan are.
... and you should FNGetOff my back!
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i'd rate Hamonic higher
Grabs had one good year, but i can’t see him not repeat/continuing…KO has proven that he is a 3rd line winger on a really good team/contender…but i think he will be more.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No, not wrong
But I guess my point is….if we as fans have Stanley Cup aspirations for the Isles, we should be talking about depth/borderline roster guys that are on the same level as say, Blake Comeau and Milan Jurcina…..not Rakhshani and Wishart. To me, it appears more like hopeful/wishful thinking versus realistic assessment and projection of their hockey talents and forecasted contributions at the NHL level.
Given the more highly touted products in the pipeline….chances are these two guys were going to be off the radar within 1-2 years anyways. So no one should lose sleep even if (in the unlikely event that) some other (dumbass) team claims Wishart.
I disagree...
This team is still bubbling. The idea of it being a team in the midst of a “rebuild” is coming to a close. But the roster will be a mix of skill levels and career lever every year. It is EXACTLY guys like Wishart, Rakshani, Ullstrom and Haley that will come out of the developmental structure and take teh support roles that tonelli, persson, langevin and Merrick had during the glory years.
It’s just talking about which ones it will be that will be fun for us here. If you think those guys suck, who do you think are the mid season call ups when Frans (I can’t believe I just typed that) goes down for a few games… or maybe Grabner or Moulson ends their streaks of invincibility.
I hope you are wrong about Rhett and being injured… it’s becoming more evident that he will be a risk against NHL size and speed… but you can’t toss him aside in the midst of his second pro year. the clock is ticking, but hte bell hasn’t rung just yet… even though he’s had his rung a few times.
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JP in NYC & JP in VA??? you guys related???
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 28, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Different last names inNYC and inVA.
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we got depth here at lhh
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Obsession
…chances are these two guys were going to be off the radar within 1-2 years anyways
You may be right — and odds with prospects say you are. It’s just … well, this is what we do to get away from our jobs and our miserable lives. We parse the virtues of mid-round picks because the only hockey we’ve seen in four months featured 18 guys TSN has never heard of.
No sleep lost; just time passed.
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Good sign from the organization cutting Wishart
I know we have all been pretty high on him and were hoping he wouldn’t be exposed to waivers. The bright side to this is the Isles intend to the play the best players not just the ones they have something to lose by not keeping on the NHL roster.
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by ArsenalLI on Sep 28, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Or the ones they feel they are obligated to keep because how they were obtained
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Or how long they are committed to paying the contract.
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I haven't been that high on thim
in effect, we gave away an excellent keeper who helped Tampa get to one game of beating the Bruins last year
the last thing we needed to do is help a team who this year we will be competing with
and in effect we traded him away for nothing
Wishart has longer term potential but clearly isn’t ready now
a good gamble to send him down – he needs the seasoning and needs to develop more focus
this is what I said after seeing him play in Bridgeport for 1 game
you would think he would have made Tampa last year, given they are weak at the position – should have been a red flag
not one of Garth;s finest moments, but fortunately offset but mostly good things
they aren't cutting him
he HAS to clear waivers to go down to Brideport.
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by Mark D on Sep 28, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just meant from camp not the organization
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I don't like Exposing Wishart
not at all.
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I hear ya
He is still young and big. Like exposing a LH pitcher in baseball.
Capuano may see something that really is turning him off.
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I think that's right
Cap saw him a lot more of him than the couple of preseason games
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the tough thing
Ask me last year and all summer and there’s no way I’d tell you I’d rather have Steve Staios over Ty Wishart. Still wouldn’t, honestly, because I fear Staios will return to looking like an old man right as Wishart rediscovers what can get him an NHL job.
But give me a few preseason games (and I suspect whatever CapSno have seen in practice) and it’s hard for me to say, “I think you’re better, but you sure haven’t shown it this month, so despite your showing I need to keep you because I’m afraid another team thinks you’re better too.”
That is the conundrum of preseason: It doesn’t matter … but it still kinda does. You have to be established to get away with having a bad camp.
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so close...
and I suspect whatever CapSno have seen in practice
Isn’t SNOWCAP what we’ve been looking for since November 2010?
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Even if it's legal and discreet?
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by Dominik on Sep 28, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Web
Most Isles fans thought he was the worst player last night.
I thought he played much better at the end of last season though. I don’t think he gets claimed.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, he had a bad preseason game? He probably sucks then.
Compelling logic.
by AP77 on Sep 28, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The caveat, in general, has been he was terrible last night, but it was a single game sample.
The GM and coaching staff must be thinking last night was representative and not an anomolous game on his part. He did look bad, that does not mean he is bad, that it was the sole reason he was waived or that a single game even made the difference.
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Why such a long face
Oh, someone said most people thought he was awful last night? They must be basing their opinion solely on that game alone.
Equally compelling logic.
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by Dominik on Sep 28, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Multiple people in this thread have cited “Most Isles fans thought he was the worst player last night” as the rationale for waiving.
This is common thinking. Bailey had a few good games at the start of last season? Ready the HOF induction.
Where did I claim that's why he is being waived though.
Sorry dude, i get along with everybody here, but I won’t stand for you putting words in my mouth.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Even a single bad pre-season game is a data point.
It may not be the deciding point, but even “useless” games are played for a reason. I don’t think it was the sole reason, he had to have been on the bubble just by the fact he was in Calgary. I would prefer Wishart a 1000x more than Staios, but the fact that he was terrible cannot be completely ignored.
Many people have said he sucked, they also have said it was one game, they’ve also said it was a shock he was waived. Some may have said, he was waived because he sucked last night, but I checked the official LHH stand on everything and that was not listed as an official position.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Exactly.. PART
You took my one little quote and ran with it, as if i claimed that was the sole reason he was being waved, and to be quite honest came off a bit douchey. Have a nice day.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that is all you said in response to Web.
Anyway, looking back, I think the post comes across more harshly than intended — apologies for that.
Accepted
And don’t ever accuse me of using logic ever again.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was bad
in BOTH preseason games.
hahaha
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Yes,
this is the one Earl Sleek from Battle of California drew up in his “Redrawing SBN Logos” series. I like it and it makes me think of “School House Rock” for some reason.
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Behold
In honor of the Islanders alleged improvement this season, I have upgraded to new, better tanks.
by AP77 on Sep 28, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well done!
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This will take some getting used to
But those tanks are shinier.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
As the full rationale, or as one sign of why?
I haven’t seen anyone say “he sucked last night, therefore he must be waived.”
No one here has seen all the practices (or games even). People are inferring, from what little evidence we have, why the team has decided after two weeks of camp to expose him to waivers, underlined by his most recent bad performance. I think it’s projecting to take snippets of dialogue and imply people are forming a graduate thesis out of last night. (To my knowledge, there’s one member (who rarely ever posts anymore) who ever mentioned Bailey and HOF in the same sentence.)
Q: Do you like Scarlett Johanssen?
A: Yeah, she’s hot, man. I’d love to have 20 minutes with…
Q: Oh, so because she’s hot you’d cheat on your wife and abandon your kids just to boink her? Nice.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
You’re also projecting a complete rationale that was absent from the point that I was commenting on — it’s a thread about why Wishart was waived. I think it’s a valid inference to assume that when the only thing someone says is “he sucked last night” that it implies that it had something meaningful to do with it.
Anyway. Doesn’t matter much.
So you are now admitting you assumed and really have no clue what i meant?
Dude, it might different if i came off like some know it all jerk all the time, but frankly if you put my hockey knowledge as far as how the game is played I’m probably in the last 25 percent on this board. I don’t claim to know everything, unlike you, so i don’t know where all this came from.
And since you like to assume, let me assume too. I assume you have been bumping your gums about how good Wishart will be. Now you see him getting waived and know your prediction is going down the tubes. therefore you atack anybody who gives any reason as to why he may or may not have been waived.
I love assuming, thanks for making that posssible for me here.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Precisely
You’re also projecting a complete rationale that was absent from the point that I was commenting on
Exactly my point!
I just think it’s asking for derailment to drop into an on-going discussion with a zinger that looks like an attack and a projection of words into someone’s mouth.
But yes, it doesn’t matter much. I just want to keep us on the rails here.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
To continue the derailment…
…I disagree with your assessment. A post says X, and I respond to X. What you’re saying is that “well, it says X, but what he had in mind may also be A, B, and C as well, so it’s unfair to take X at face value.”
But too many pixels have already been massacred over this silly point. I need a drink.
Did you read the second line in his comment though?
Because there was more to it than X. There was a Y. I thought you went to Z.
/drinks
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Since when did i claim to have logic in my posts?
And before you run that cumcatcher, tell me where i was wrong.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oy
Less graphic though. I’m still eating lunch.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Allow me to make a football analogy....he reminds me of Kerry Collins
Big….Slow…..Dopey….with a verrrrry slow release.
Oh….and overrated.
AMac and Jurcina
This has to mean that they’re confident that AMac and Jurcina are going to be healthy enough for opening night, right?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
Staple had an AMac quote that he is gonna play oneof the upcoming preseason games
So he must be feeling good! :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like Exposing Wishart
not at all.
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
You drinking this early? ;o)
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey hey
It’s after noon!
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
I thought 10:00AM was the standard time to start drinking, what's this noon thing?
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Trading for Wishart or Helping Roloson ?
Wishart was absolutely the worst player on the ice last night amongst a range of bad performances. Maybe he thought because he was traded for he would be more of a lock than the other young talent. He did make the trip to Calgary while most of the experienced Vets stayed in NY so that was kind of a tell tale sign he was fighting for a job. However even last year I remember people saying “we are doing this for Rolo not for Wishart” because after all the Isles are nothing else if not sympathetic to our older Vets that have to suck it while the team loses. So we trade those players to give them “a shot”…I find it hard to believe Wishart was the only option out of all the teams that needed a goalie. With our blueline so full of potential I am reticent to get behind someone that shows such a lack of skill in what was basically a rookie game.
by IslesFanForLife on Sep 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
and now we've helped a direct competitor
would have preferred to let Tampa flounder in net
not useful for this year
Roloson would have been an UFA anyway, but it surely didn't hurt to have the tryout in Tampa.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Hate to bring this up
…but Wishart was pretty good towards the end of last season. Had he not been, Isles very likely would have ended up with a top-4 pick and perhaps drafted Larsson…. I do like Strome, though.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 28, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I think we would have ended up with the 3rd overall pick if you replace wishart with a 2nd Reese or another ahl d-man.
Wishart played 7gms with 18min+ of ice time last year for us, 3gms 20+ mins. And he didn’t look overwhelmed while doing it. If Wishart is lost to waivers, it definitely hurts our depth.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
So Wishart *was a mole*!
That’s it. Give him #54 or something.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Two Big Things:
1 (which was already pointed out) is that Wishart HAS to go through waivers to go to Bridgeport, this is not a choice.
2 is that any team that picks him up would have to keep him up with their NHL team, they could not themselves send him to the AHL. If they did, we could get him back FMIV style.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
#2 is an EXCELLENT POINT!
This greatly increases the chances of him not getting claimed!!!
EXCELLENT POINT TMC.
Its not we hate wishart…please take him. Its just another savvy roster move. Chances are he stays.
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Excellent point :)
One of the best all day!
by IslesFanForLife on Sep 28, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This should be green...
but everything I rec gets FLAGGED. I feel like an NFL Ref in a pre-season game.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
Regarding a possible Staios signing
Has he really earned that? Aside from that goal in the Jersey drubbing he hasn’t seemed all that great, unless I wasn’t paying close enough attention.
Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.
Tough to say because his "strengths" aren't really stat-sheet friendly
From what I’ve seen, he’s been fine. Defensive smarts, PK work. But my concern all along has been that he knows how to play the game just fine, it’s just a question of whether his body can still handle it over an NHL season rather than a training camp where his career is on the line. The last two years the body has not.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
still would rather have extended Martinek 1 more year
sorry, but yes, I went there again
by 4PeatSake on Sep 28, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me too
i miss Radek already. With Katic gone and Wishart underwhelming, I sure wish we still had Radek to fill a hole.
by CloseCallJiggs on Sep 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It is really gonna suck seeing him playing for the BJs. :(
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll bet you he doesn’t play more then 20 for the BJs
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Ha!
Thought about it after I typed it.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 29, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I’d rather have seen Wishart as the 7th man, as bad as he’s been, because he was at least as good last year, as Staios has been this year.
Good thing their careers curves aren't headed in opposite direc-...
…awww, shit.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Gillies getting some at hockeyfights.com
Trevor Gillies NOT suspended.
http://www.hockeyfights.com/forums/f33/trevor-gillies-not-being-suspended-164067/#post2328108
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
that meant to say getting some love
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
I bet he would be alright with it either way.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The Ship is Sinking!!!!
Let’s not turn this into a pointblank comments section here. Wishart isn’t exactly the next Lidstrom, Potvin or Orr. He has some upside, but no more than a 4th to 6th NHL Dman. We have plenty of them in the pipeline. Only so many players can make the club, and if Snow and Capuano feel that players like Donovan and De Haan are only a year away from making the NHL, then a player like Staios who has experience will be better for this team if they want to make the playoffs this year. And this only matters if someone claims him, which they probably won’t because every team has 3 to 5 players exactly like Wishart in their system
Patiently waiting to receive and open tryout invitation to camp.
by The Fitz on Sep 28, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You mean Staios (presumably) vs Wishart (if claimed) isn't the Butch Goring to our Cup puzzle?
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
It is truly unknowable, but my magic eightball says "Reply hazy, try again "
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Everytime i ask my magic 8 ball a question it says...
I don’t know, smoke another one.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You would think so with some of these responses! It’s been a long offseason and people are getting delusional! :)
Patiently waiting to receive and open tryout invitation to camp.
I know Fitz, right? We might lose the second coming of Denis

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the kid has a lot of potential
And I’d rather keep him around then some of our borderline forwards, especially since last year we carried 8 Dmen for most of the year.
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If we carry 3 goalies than we wont be able to carry 8 Dmen
by IslesFanForLife on Sep 28, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
We should petition the league to count him like that towards the roster.
Jurcina or one of our other injury magnets can be the other .5 .
Then we should've kept Martinek
And get the 2-for-1.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Sep 28, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Absurd or not, thats what the cards look like right now.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I already said I liked him at the end of last year and thought he started playing better
That being said, I think some people are overreacting.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Overreacting
of course we are overreacting, we are New York Islander fans. This is what we do.
by IslesFanForLife on Sep 28, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE FRISCHMON!!!!
Nah. Probably not.
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by PGI on Sep 28, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was thinking about Wallace
i want to see him in the Bridge.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
ALTERNATE LIFESTYE THREAD
I think we need to talk about the whole Avery-Simmons situation.
Do we really need to have NHL NAMECALLING exposed by a guy who just may be the least sensitive human being to have ever played the game.
I know that I have used the term “c*** sucker” maybe even more than this guy.

But I never once thought of it as “homophobic” until I ran through a list of things that guys just call each other in the heat of battle. If you take the “homophobic” out of the game all you’ll have left is the violence.
Let’s face it, “you suck” is said by 10 year olds all the time. When I was ten that term had one connotation… and it wasn’t “you suck wind”. Now it’s just accepted.
So… was Sean Avery’s stand on gay marriage just so he could pull this BS when play started. Can we just ban Sean Avery from any media coverage, and get on with the business of playing hockey?
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
B.O.B. (yet another new acronym for my name)
i bet a lot of homophobic slurring goes on at this place after a few c*cktails
(i edited this post for public safety reasons)
These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar
I always think of that line in Slap Shot, when one of the Hanson's calls out, "They called us names!"
Because it just captures how silly the whole “name calling” thing amongst grown men is. “Hate filled” is one thing, but trash talk? That’s going to bother you? Grow up….
by Les Beaver on Sep 28, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Hanrahan!!!
That would actually make a great screen name.
by CloseCallJiggs on Sep 28, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
there is a hanrahan that posts here
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 28, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 29, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to crosswire threads...
but… With Wishart on waivers, who’s gonna take his place?
“IS THE ANSWER JESUS?”
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
oh i think we know, might not be popular with some but my money's on Staois
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 28, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
List of candidates for Wishart's spot
on the NHL roster
Staios
deHaan
Donovan
Klementyev
Jesus
Not that I’m not a big fan of the kid from Bethlehem (PA?), but he rarely performs miracles on skates, he’s not really what you would call “physical”, and have you seen his CORSI? Not only that, much like Kabanov his father thinks he’s God… who wants to deal with that when it comes time to negotiate a contract. That’s the real reason we haven’t seen him in the NHL. It could be a real media mess too… who would they crucify first… him or Gillies.
Yeah… I know where I’m goin’… it’s just how long it’ll take me to get there.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
by JPinVA on Sep 28, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jesus hasn't been the same player he was since Satan left.
He just seems listless and bored now. I think when Satan signed with Pittsburgh to complete the blood contract of most evil thing you could do, Jesus was really hurt. I think He thought he was really getting through to Satan, but I guess not.
But His shootout move is still sick. I hope we see that al….oh, wait. I’m thinking of Nielsen. I confuse those two all the time. My bad.
by Les Beaver on Sep 28, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait til he grows a playoff beard!
They’ll be like TWINS!
In a white man’s world anyway… we all know that THAT Jesus probably looked more like Buff.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
by JPinVA on Sep 28, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
my favorite part of slapshot is
when one of the characters says their moving to Long Island for employment. The good ole days, when you could actually still find a job here.
Isles jerseys I've owned: Fisherman, Tim Connolly, Josh Bailey RBK Edge edition. I've got a history of success.
by ArsenalLI on Sep 28, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its pathetic because its true.
I work in eastern Queens, its the closest I could get to working in Nassau county. Of course if I wanted to sell insurance, work in mall/strip mall retail, sell/fix cars, work in a restaurant, or do nails, maybe I could actually work where I live.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's why it bothers me
1. It’s not about what you think of Avery, it’s about what you think of people…all people.
2. I won’t sit here and pretend I’ve never said it…or a lot of things I shouldn’t have said. But there is a time and place, and once you are caught, there should be a price to pay.
3. I know a bunch of gay people. Here’s the thing, (and this may even make me an asshole), I know that most of my friends have no malice behind what they say…they are spouting off flippant remarks that don’t necessarily match any kind of bias they have toward anyone…nor would they discriminate against anyone. However, if you’ve ever seen that kind of language used in the presence of a gay person, you’d recognize an instantaneous streak of hurt and fear in them. You can’t always be sure that when language like that is used, it doesn’t reflect some level of hate and aggression. And when you picture it like a few of your buddies are talking like that (flippantly) and your gay child or sibling walk in the room, you’ll feel some level of embarassment or shame.
4. With #3 in mind, think about the NHL marketing and image. There is no doubt that there is a portion of the fanbase that is homosexual. Now you have a guy that was caught as blatantly as Wiz was. They should have handled it in a way that remotely looks like they give a shit…at least to save face, whether they care or not.
5. I know it won’t go away, and I never expected it to, but I like my racism, sexism, and homophobia behind closed doors. I know you can’t change people…but then, you damn well better not get caught.
6. Avery didn’t start this…that video hit twitter in the 1st period. All he did was answer questions about what everybody already knew to be true.
I hate defending the guy, because I believe he is a prick, but he is a smarter prick now who also got a bunch of games for the sloppy seconds thing…which is really only offensive to probably two people, but because it was sex based, it was an issue. The NHL is trying to hide behind the fact that “they don’t have the technology” to really determine what was said…we al know that’s BS.
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really keith?
if you’re willing to tolerate it behind closed doors, then why blast it in public? (on #5 that is)
maybe i’m reading u wrong but that seems highly hypo to me
These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar
I think the “behind closed doors” phrase is actually being used here the way people use it when they talk about sex- as in, keep it to yourselves where we do not have to watch it/hear it/etc
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
thanks!
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I don't find it hypocritical
Basically, what I’m saying is you’re allowed to have your opinion, just don’t walk around advertising your opinion. I love how people take this because it’s Avery and apparently a word many of us don’t believe is wrong and turn it into “not a big deal”. If you sub in anything else here "fuc***g (Mick, Ni***, Gui***, Chi***, retard), it is wrong and hateful but the gay and lesbian community don’t get that same level of respect.
Point being, I don’t care if some idiot doesn’t like Irish people, but if I’m in a bar and some jackass is yelling and screaming about those fucking mick Irishmen….I’ll think that guy is a POS and say something.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
140 lbs
of sheer terror.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wouldnt mess with ya, Keith :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Use your hampster!!!!
(What, too obscure?)
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Sep 28, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't we just have a multi-post thread
about “guidos” here.
As an FBI I just took all your ignorance in stride.
It’s a term, a label… whatever. But it needs to be digested in context. Like every other word we use. And “hateful” speach is the last thing this country needs to be worried about.
I’d rather be a “f***ing WOP” than a hedge fund manager.
If I called you a mick c*** sucker, ten minutes later we’d probably hug it out and have a beer. If I found out that you were the guy who laid off half my workforce so he could trigger his golden parachute… then one of us is leaving in the back of an ambulance.
See… it’s all about context.
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by JPinVA on Sep 28, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd!
It is about context…you wonder if Simmonds called him that while they were out for a cocktail in the club vs when they were about to pummel each other if it would’ve been different…I’ll be it would have.
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And part of the context is people who are still discriminated against
I mean, nobody’s getting fired or being denied rights for being a “WOP” or “mick” anymore. Even those terms, I only joke with them in closed company where we’re having fun with stereotypes gone by, and we know each other isn’t a prick.
But terms where there is still massive, active discrimination and hate — just look at the comment thread on the Puck Daddy post — I think it’s a much bigger deal when those terms are thrown around in public forum, because you’re being careless with what is still a really sensitive issue for discriminated groups.
That said, I think Louie handled it best.
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by Dominik on Sep 28, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Put up yer dukes!

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There’s those key words and then there are the added flavor jokes. Imagine this, someone makes a black joke about fried chicken. Is that okay? Is it only wrong if the person makes the joke and then attaches the word n•••••••r?
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Sep 28, 2011 6:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I get you
but I mean, c’mon the Irish are terrible.
Interesting/funny related story about ethnic derogatories. I was in New Orleans recently (first time, amazing time-the food is incredible), and was wandering around in one of the cemeteries because I’m a big history dork (like working on a PhD in it big), and came across a monument that struck me as interesting. I googled it while I was walking around, and it ended up being related to an even I was familiar with-perhaps the largest mass lynching in American history of 11 Italians. But I didn’t know a lot of the backstory, about a trial, and the events leading up to Americans first learning about the mafia. But the payoff was what Wikipedia relays as the guy’s alleged last words (last line if you’re lazy).
Way deeper than I care to go in this forum
And as an Irishman, I will politely disagree with your assessment. Give me a couple shots of bourbon however, and I tend to be not so polite. Stereotypes exist for a reason I suppose.
On another note, I read that entire story and it was fascinating. My favorite part was learning the historical reference for one of my favorite lines from slapshot. “Who own-a-da Chiefs?”
by CloseCallJiggs on Sep 28, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha
Sorry, should have sarcasm fonted that. I take for granted that people will know I’m joking far too often…
It is amazing, isn’t it? I love that he beat a murder charge for killing the NO Chief of Detectives on a self-defense claim. Can’t make that kind of stuff up.
Yeah, I figured as much
I was just playin around too. That really was a crazy sick glimpse into another time and place though.
by CloseCallJiggs on Sep 28, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, I didn't realize what you may have been asking here
When I said this
but I like my racism, sexism, and homophobia behind closed doors, what I meant was, I don’t want to hear it or have it around me…not that I sanction, condone or participate in said things.
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Good points...
… and I agree, mostly. I could care less what is said on the ice… these people don’t shape my world view… THEY ENTERTAIN ME.
My biggest fear in general is the thought of THOUGHT CRIMES… or HATE CRIMES being legislated over just CRIMES.
If a man drags another man behind his car for a mile because he is gay, does that make it any worse than if he was straight, bi-sexual or asexual. He still did a horrific thing to another human being. I would call attention to it because it could be a social symptom that needs to be addressed in general (and it definitely is). But when we start punishing people for whatever emotion they have in their head we are treading very dangerous ground. Are we really going to judge the human animal for the varying level of evolution we all must endure.
A more evolved comment might have been, “hey Sean, does your liza fan club meet tonight?” Same connotation, but you’re really not gonna have to explain that away to the kids who might be listening.
“No Johnny, Mr Simmons doesn’t mean that Mr Avery extracts the blood of male chickens through a straw.. aren’t your shows on? I think it’s time for the Wizards of Waiverly Place.”
I do, however, feel that such behavior can create a very hostile environment. But this is not the case in this context. Unless Avery is gay. If he wants to come out, then what he is saying is that Simmons was being HOSTILE towards HIS lifestyle. Then he has a case. See Chris Simon and his use of racial slurs… and him being the subject of same.
Ignorance is its own punishment… we need to educate and lead by example. And certainly what is said in the context of battle should not be held to same standard as what is said in everyday life… like in your livingroom.
Otherwise PA Parenteau would never get dinner invites.
Another travesty is running to Brian Burke for a quote. After the hell that guy has endured. Really? Do you want to throw this thing up to a guy who would love nothing more than to get every homophobic thought out of athletics. Noble, yes… realistic… probably not. But I give him all the credit in the world for trying.
Maybe the comments need to be directed at ED… yeah, education is a popular subject… but then everybody would need an obligatory goon, and an ivy leaguer. I mean Erectile Dysfunction. I mean, if where you put your weener is derogatory, the fact that the little guy doesn’t work at all is even worse.
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not sure i agree with you here JP
of course it is equally as bad for the targeted person, but this is where intent comes in…when you target a specific person b/c of gender, race, religion etc…think about genocide laws, the act is still a crime against humanity, even if it isn’t genocide…in this case, the hypothetical act is still a crime against humanity, but if an individual or mob group is invoking fear, targetting a specific group of society out of their own percieved hate, and encouraging others to do same…that in itself is an additional crime…their not merely randomly targetting individuals, but rather trying to rid society of a certain group that for whatever reason “they”, the perpetrator(s) percieve as an ideological threat…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 28, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagreeing with me..
is cool. this is way too deep a subject for me to argue sober.
But I ask this:
Have we effectively legislated against genocide in this country, or globally?
wow… just had to erase a two pager because my atheistic views on world peace get in the way of my hockey agenda sometimes.
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it's a fine line but globally
this is the problem: once UN agrees a genocide is happening, the UN is mandated to act. It is one of the few areas where sovereignty means nothing, human rights triumph…but theory is one thing and reality is another Darfar? To me, that is clear genocide, in the name of oil, not the first time that happened…but, many countries, USA included, refuse to call it a genocide b/c then they must act….not so for crimes against humanity…curiously, religion has played a huge, huge role in genocides throughout history…i’m an agnostic, a cross between an atheist and someone who thinks maybe there is something to it, hope so, but if not, i won’t know the difference anyway…
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 28, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That is the amazing thing
And on some practical level (“can’t save the whole world”), I get it. But hearing Gen. Dalaire talk about the politics of getting a simple genocide declaration was heartbreaking and amazing.
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Luckily, Hitler,Stalin and Mao have given the atheists a nice lead in the death count.
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Sadly.
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Well said!
Honestly, I don’t think Simmonds is some kind of bigot homophobe…I think what he meant was the “P” word, which has somehow come to mean the same thing…which therefore, speaks toward gay people not being tough, which is a stereotype. I don’t think Avery is gay either, so in that case, nobody ends up being hurt…except the casual fan who saw or heard it who happen to be gay and/or discriminated against. Like I said, I think they have to not get caught.
I mean, when you really think about it, these guys are “miked up” constantly….you’re gonna tell me nobody has ever been taped saying shit like that? Unfathomable, and probably the reason why so many of those segments suck with barely anything said. Simmonds did something that I’m sure everybody does, but if nothing else, he should’ve taken one for the team there so the fraternity can move on…he was busted, admit it.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it hate speech if two straight people call each other gay? There seems to be so much context now about who can use what words and when they are offended. I’d just like to know the rules.
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What I'm getting at
With the “behind closed doors” thing is exactly this. If it’s loud, and someone is around to hear it, yes I think it is. If two guys are talkin like that and their house is bugged, no.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 29, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
don't have the technology my ass...my late grandmother was stone deaf since the age of 7 due to flu and a few other things at same time....
AND MY LATE GRANDMOTHER WATCHED REGULAR TV, READING LIPS, LONG, LONG BEFORE CLOSED CAPTION WAS INVENTED
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 28, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What gets me about the Avery bullshit is that I recall a Jon Sim interview with botta where he said Avery takes it too far and gets into trash talk involving family and non-hockey stuff. For Avery to get bent out of shape over this is missing the forest for the trees. Brooks had an article today defending his poor, abused man crush that also completely misses the forest for the trees.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Sep 28, 2011 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're missing the point
Avery just answered a question…you guys are making it sound like he’s carrying around a crusade here. The people that are outraged about it are various media, bloggers, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance (GLAAD) etc. I’m sure Avery thins it sucks, but it’s not like he’s calling press conferences. People are asking him questions because he was ALREADY doing statements for the gay marraige stuff.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Avery got six games for his sloppy comments becasue he called the press to announce it.
He didn’t get it for saying it on the ice. I find trash talk in general to be stupid because you can’t offend me when I know you are just trying to provoke me.
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Sorry...
“I didn’t really hear what he said” DONE… that’s all we needed.
Avery is a shit stirrer…. Like Hartnell (SP?) said. When he was going through his divorce avery would chirp about it all the time. Can you imagine what a douche like avery might say about your ex-wife just so you’d take a swipe at him and everybody gets to spend a few minutes in the box… which is something he might have said.
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Perhaps
Do you think SImmonds would have hidden it if he called him a racist term? This is a bit of work that Avery feels close to, so I’m not surprised he said something…just as I wouldn’t be surprised if the shoe was on the other foot…but again, if you wouldn’t be surprised if Simmonds would say something in that scenario, you may just not equate racism and homophobia.
Which is fine by the way…being a completely average 38 year old straight white man, I’m not sure I could understand any of those perspectives.
I do believe Avery is an asshole here…I just think that even if it was Frans Nielsen, the same language would have been used and if caught, the same outcome would have been reached.
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DUDE JUST HAD A BANANA THROWN AT HIM...
… and he brushed off like a MATURE athlete… IGNORANCE IS ITS OWN PUNISHMENT!
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But that guy got caught today ans is being charged...
Again, Avery is not calling for Simmonds head here…in fact, he did the same thing SImmonds did. Admit it happened.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/police-charge-london-man-over-nhl-banana-tossing-incident/article2183342/?utm_medium=Feeds:%20RSS/Atom&utm_source=Hockey&utm_content=2183342&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Well... I'm glad we talked about it...
because now we all know you're a closet racist and homophobe
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I'm all for free speech, it makes it so much easier to pick out the idiots in the crowd.
I don’t think he is a closet racist, he is a closet xenophobe. He doesn’t hate, he fears.
This statement is meant with total sarcasm so as not offend or run the risk of being lobotomized by the thought police.
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Im with you, Keith.
People keep saying that Avery is causing all of this, and its not fair.
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not missing the point at all. I never accused Avery of starting all of this. But let me clarify, the media is missing the forest for the trees. I think Avery told the media to help stoke the coals. He did call a press conference just to be a douche. Regardless of what is said to Avery, taking it out on simmonds misses the point. Pests chirp about other players families but we should be upset over a gay reference? Why? Because families can suck it? I’m not accusing you of holding these opinions, Keith, just responding and launching into my own disagreement with this whole issue.
These words are used because they rile up others. We, as a society, have this idea that certain words are unacceptable while the more pointed, perhaps innuendo laden comments are not that bad. Its bizarre.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Sep 28, 2011 6:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait a second
he can’t call a press conference…the Rangers would never let him…what he did was walk into his locker room after a game. And nobody would be “taking anything out” on Simmonds if Simmonds didn’t say what he said. You make it sound like the guy was on the phone and someone overheard him. He was screaming what is considered to be a derogatory slur toward a particular subset of people across an entire ice rink and you’re going to tell me no one else heard it?
My biggest point is, we don’t have clear video of someone saying “hey, your wife is a gold digging bitch, I heard she divorced you because you can’t get it up”…and honestly, even if we did, that is a 1:1 issue between two people. When multiple millions of people see something that defames a group of millions of other people, either by show or for real, somebody should address it.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just to be clear, my press reference was to Avery in Calgary and his six game suspension.
Avery got six games after being told by the league to tone it down and then gathering a gaggle of reporters to make his sloppy comments about a Phanuef’s girlfriend (not even an opposing player himself). In the context of Simmonds, I don’t know if Avery said anything provocative or not, but his history would lead you to think he wasn’t being silent. Simmonds chose his words very poorly and in a heated moment, but it was probably the only way he was going to get a rise out of Avery. Which is the whole point of trash talk and I do think trash talk is stupid. I was one of those against Gillies for yammering at a player that was down or maybe at the ref (we don’t even know who he was talking to). Not to condone what Simmonds said, but to apply context.
If the referee hears it on the ice he should assess an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. If it surfaces after the game, it should be a steep fine. This should be true of anything that “crosses-the-line”. I would be similarly offended if someone joked about another player’s kid that had cancer. Simmonds verbal attack on Avery, in this context, doesn’t seem like an attack on the gay community. It was an attack on Avery (though he admits to playing with Barbie dolls) who is not gay and everyone in the league knows it. The term as offensive as it is, was used much like the term “bastard”, which for centuries had negative connotations, but now is used like “suck” or “dork” . However, Simmonds is an athlete and in the public eye and should be held to a higher level of accountability when shouting it out in public. The NHL should have imposed a fine, not everything warrants a suspension.
His act, un-like the banana throwing, doesn’t appear to be premeditated and was between two athletes. The whole banana throwing thing is on another level because it was premeditated, was racially tinged, was from a coward that didn’t do it face-to-face and you simply just don’t throw stuff on the ice because it is dangerous.
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by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, and
I understood your context, Turgeon above spoke about a press conference. I understood you meant “called the reporters over”.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 29, 2011 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For people to say Avery is getting so "bent out of shape" is not realy fair.
He did not even bring this up, he was asked about it by the media because THEY heard it.
Gay activist groups were already mobilizing. You cannot say this is averys fault.
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
To quote the legendary Mr. Horse
To quote the legendary Mr. Horse: “No, sir. I don’t like it.”
I understand that to send Wishart down he has to clear waivers. Blah blah blah. (No, not the legendary attorney Bob Loblaw. OKAY – my mind is shot today!) But this means that rather than cut/demote/lose useless cogs like Eaton and Mottau, we risk losing Wishart. I’d rather have Wishart with a ceiling than Eaton and Mottau whose ceilings and floors are about the same.
Of course, Donovan….I did mention several months ago that he may become the best of the bunch. Maybe he gets some D time later this year.
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Sestito get 2 final preseason games and 2 reg. Season games
Seriously? WTF?
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
During both intermissions of the 10/29 game
Each member of the ’93 team will get a turn beating Dale Hunter with a spike baseball bat. Turgeon gets two turns.
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by PGI on Sep 28, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
I am SO GLAD I have tickets to that!
I hope the winner of the 50/50 raffle that night gets a swing themselves. They would sell a record number of tickets.
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not even joking: I would pay to see that
Never forgive. Not that I won’t.
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It has to be to the back of his head.
Fair’s fair.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Sep 28, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
I want Pilon to have two more turns…the first one was pretty good.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Hunter be draped in his banner from the Verizon Center as well?
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First Shanny Inconsistency?
Or just the fact that it’s Sestito. Most likely destined to cost the Flyers a roster spot for two games before heading down to the Phantoms.
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I thought that sucked
but that seems to be the going rate for “1st time offender”. Remember, Boyes got the same thing. I really thought this hit was far worse though and seemed to be far more intentional. I would’ve liked to see remainder of preseason + 5 to start.
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Sestito video explanation is up
Seems his lack of priors and no injury on the play were major factors. I still think its light, but hopefully they’re consistent with that rationale going forward.
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by PGI on Sep 28, 2011 11:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the coliseum
like torturing a prisoner with ear penetrating suckuworms… this is all hysterical
so the group that was advising mangano and has been against wang developing the site… tries proposing their own… the lawyer backs out… there’s no agreement… everyone now is gonna each submit proposals… what a load of crap…
they all come together to defeat wang then can’t play well together… so classic
they need a good suckuworm implanted in their heads
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Got any laying around???
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 8:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wishart is a guy ...
who doesn’t play to his size, doesn’t have the mindset or edge to be the crease-clearer this team sorely needs, and hasn’t shown signs of doing that anytime soon. Doesn’t mean he’ll NEVER do it, but maybe the GM doesn’t want to wait anymore for it to happen, only to see it not happen. And maybe he has something else in mind.
Always a chance the kid gets picked up and then – bingo, the light goes on in his head and rounds into a solid player. But hey, that’s sports. I have no problem with the GM’s approach.
best post on this thread
that’s Wishart in a nutshell
I feel like people who like him haven’t seen him play except on TV
the likelihood is that he hasn’t shown motivation in camp versus others who deserve a spot more
I wonder if we don’t give someone like Ness or Donovan a shot to stick – if not both
de Haan is not sticking
who doesn’t play to his size, doesn’t have the mindset or edge to be the crease-clearer this team sorely needs, and hasn’t shown signs of doing that anytime soon.
Add Injury Ridden and you’ve just described the profile on Jurcina.
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I agree that Jurcina also ...
doesn’t maximize his size, and certainly he’s not durable enough to rely on for the long term. But he’s a much better defenseman than Wishart. And at least he gets in guys’ way more. I think that’s why they cut more slack for Jurcina as far lack of aggression e is concerned.
jeez.
this was meant as a follow up for a couple of threads back.
the mind is the first go.
There there
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by Dominik on Sep 29, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And maybe he does ...
slip through waivers, putting him out becomes the fire lit under his ass, and he rounds into the guy really they need right here.
Then this whole thing becomes a brilliant move by the GM.
Was wondering if "fire under ass" was also part
As in, “Dude, drop the pipe. Stop reading LHH, because you do not have a lock on a job here. You’re going to be waived, and nobody’s even going to put in a claim.”
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But if Isles players are reading LHH....
… who’s gonna keep our egos in check?
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Sep 28, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
there are 8-9 guys ahead of Wishart if I'm reading the tea leaves
including the fact that they may have decided to sign Staios to play with Streit,
and if they give a shot to someone like Ness or Donovan – or if both, that’s 9
Streit – Staios
Ness/Donovan – Hamonic
MacDonald – Mottau
Eaton -Jurcina
and Bridgeport's D
de Haan
Donovan
Wishart
Reese
Klementyev
(Katic)
if they send Ness down as well, that’s 6 there and 7 up top
kind of works

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