Flames 2, Islanders B Squad 0: So we watched Strome and Kabanov
This is the type of preseason game I call "prospect pulp": All due respect to Jay Pandolfo, Tim Wallace and Trevor Frischmon (who was 11-4 on faceoffs), but they are guys fighting for fourth-line or AHL call-up status.
Likewise, veterans Steve Staios and Milan Jurcina are what they are. (And Jurcina, incidentally, got hurt again with a strained groin.)
We're just watching for titillating bits of skill, glimpses of the future from kids who aren't ready yet. Which is why it was fun to see Kirill Kabanov and Ryan Strome play together, and fun to see Matt Donovan and Calvin de Haan both impress and face the steep learning curve of the NHL.
Box | AP Recap | Game Sum | Event Sum | LHH game thread
More notes after the jump, but in pre-jump-worthy news, the Islanders lost 2-0 and Evgeni Nabokov was solid if not fiercely tested. The Flames had the better squad and it showed in increasing increments as the game went on. Young Rhett Rakhshani suffered another tough break, leaving the game with a knee injury.
Game Highlights
Game Links
- Official site recap, with Dean Chynoweth quotes on Nabokov
- Okposo Net called i uninspiring
This isn't related to the game necessarily, but to how Jack Capuano is evaluating throughout camp. A quote in Newsday is a theme I've seen a few times and find interesting:
his first training camp with the team is important to him "becasue we’re a team that does make adjustments game-to-game, so you want to make sure that, when you make those adjustments, guys understand why, and what they’re supposed to do."
"Versatility" might not be the word for it, but I propose he's looking for players with the speed to be dangerous in pressing situations but the ability to do different, more passive forechecks depending on the opponent. I have hunches from last season's second half, so it will be interesting to test those out with a full season under Capuano.
Game Notes
- Evgeni Nabokov stopped pucks, 15 of 16 in fact, but he also handled the puck in ugly fashion. He did not stray as far from the crease as is Rick DiPietro's wont, but he did enough to join DP on the watch list.
- Uninspiring night from Ty Wishart and Dylan Reese. I'm not sure who dragged down the other, or if both were equally culpable. Wishart just looked slow to react, and Reese had some missed assignments. They were victimized on the first goal, a shorthanded goal with Curtis Glencross easily slipping around Reese to receive the "through ball" pass.
- On the second Flames goal, in the third period, Staios whiffed trying to catch the puck off the boards at the point. Calvin De Haan didn't cover the resulting 2-on-1 ideally (Ryan Strome was in backchecking pursuit but either didn't arrive in time or was misled by de Haan, who ended up diving to attempt blocking the shot). Lee Stempniak ripped the ensuing pass past Mikko Koskinen.
- Koskinen, incidentally, played the third period and made some good saves. But he only faced six shots so there's nothing to read there. Still, has to feel good for him after his previous appearance.
On the Kids
Kabanov and Strome started with Trevor Gillies, who laid a couple of satisfying hard early hits, but Gillies frequently short-shifted and the two pups ultimately saw some time with Blake Comeau and Micheal Haley. Rhett Rakhshani's injury opened up a rotation throughout the lineup.
Overall, I got the kid skill pulp I was looking for, minus any actual goals. Strome does well with the "vision" thing, looking for, spotting and hitting the trailing man with a pass. He also exhibits awareness in his own zone, at least for an 18-year-old. Kabanov if anything tries too hard to feed teammates -- he scuttled one rush when he held on to the puck waiting for an open man too long, finally feeding Strome when it was too late to get a dangerous shot off. Both Kabanov and Strome had some skilled passes, Strome feeding Rakhshani for a powerplay one-timer early on.
Just one and two preseason games into their careers, neither looks ready for the NHL of course -- although it'd be better to make that judgment after they've played in a fuller lineup rather than after a game where they were on the top line with, at times, an enforcer. There is some undeniable skill there, on course for a bright future.
Calvin de Haan made some smart plays but also some slow plays (telegraphed or slow passes), but he'll learn NHL speed. He needs to continue developing his strength, as after he beat Olli Jokinen to a partial breakaway, he ended up losing the man vs. man meeting in the corners.
Blueline TOI leader (23:28) Matt Donovan's strength is already impressive, and he had a really nice game both handling the puck and positioning his body. I was unmoved by his appearances in the rookie game so I owe him praise for the attributes he exhibited tonight, which also included a team-high four shots. His time included three minutes each on the PP and PK, so it was fun to see him play in all situations. Very nice showing.
Speaking of the PK, the Islanders spent a lot of time there on this night with Staios joining Donovan in drawing the bulk of minutes in back and Blake Comeau up front. The Flames only had three shots to show for it, so no damage done there.
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Now it's back to the home region (preseason games left in Newark Friday and Bridgeport Saturday) with cuts or at least more specific NHL-bound and AHL-bound groups to be divided.
Cheers to everyone who stayed up for a late one with the B squad. With each preseason game, the real hockey gets closer.
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This is the kind of writing
I want to see in the local papers. Top to bottom.
by 19InARow on Sep 28, 2011 12:43 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
heh maybe we should make Dom apply for Katie Strang's vacated spot
Isles jerseys I've owned: Fisherman, Tim Connolly, Josh Bailey RBK Edge edition. I've got a history of success.
Seriously. Not a bad idea at all
Im sure there would be plenty of people that would love that.
by jdun89 on Sep 28, 2011 1:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He might have something to say about it
you know considering he’s from St. Louis, would have to relocate, and knowing nothing about what job he currently has might not want to leave.
We can dream though right?
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haha
I hate my phone. Sorry about the random post. But what I was going to say is that considering Dom is so far away and gives us such great stuff to read, it is so beyond sad that we get such crap reporting from the media right here in New York. Not that I’m saying anything that everyone here doesn’t already know.
by jdun89 on Sep 28, 2011 2:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps....but Hell no!
Sure, I’d love to read this sort of high-level coverage in Newsday, and Dom, the money may be good, but who’d want to a) work for Jim Dolan; and b) have yourself muzzled to whatever extent Dolan short-shrifts Newsday’s Islanders coverage? And then, after a frustrating, disillusioned stint, Dom can ‘graduate’ to the suck that is the Worldwide Leader. Yeesh.
Keep it free, independent, objective, unbiased, impassioned, etc., etc., and far away from the exploding zeppelin that is the future of today’s print media. (and, also, from a pay wall site)
by brother_rat on Sep 28, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depends
Only if he can fill out a D-cup and doesn’t mind wearing a skimpy bikini!
You all are way too freaking kind
But go on… :)
It’s a weird media age. We used to pay for everything, now we pay for nothing, but we’d probably pay for something except nobody quite has a handle on what works or what’s sustainable. All I know is hockey is more fun to follow now than it was in the days when I waited for my Hockey Digest to arrive.
Aside from the, ahem, praise, I just really love being able to hear from you all so many passionate perspectives on a game/roster/player in one place. Sort of crowd-sourced hockey analysis.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
BTW: Rakh's knee?
I had to work tonight and missed the game. What happened with Rahk’s knee—a twist, knee on knee hit, hyperextension, shot block, etc.? And any word on its severity? Can’t seem to find any info on it beyond a brief mention.
Honestly
I’m not sure they did anything in the broadcast to even address it beyond a cursory mention. I I only saw it on twitter and someone posted the tweet in the game thread. I don’t remember him even taking a hit. There was certainly no replay. Really, the TSN crew seemed like they couldn’t be bothered with the Isles stuff…mostly stuck to some narrative about lack of leadership etc.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 7:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
TSN's preparation for the game included:
1. Reading a month-old copy of the NY Post
2. Having a Twitter exchange with Botta
3. Checking the team’s rankings on NHL 11 (they don’t know if they’re going to get this year’s game yet)
4. Hearing stories from a buddy who has a buddy who knows a guy whose cousin’s husband is a part time security guard at the Coliseum
5. Playing Operation (Gord Miller only)
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Sep 28, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TSN's coverage
2. Having a Twitter exchange with Botta
In fairness, TSN’s tweets went to moderation and they never really did get an exchange going.
Ferraro, Weekes and MCLennan played on LI ten years ago, are you saying they aren’t up-to-date with what’s going on? If I were them I wouldn’t have prepared much either, if neither team cares why should they. Howie Rose even has the “no care” clause in his contract.
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by Hockey1919 on Sep 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
NHL Ready...
The only person on the bench that looked even remotely NHL ready was Dean Chynoweth…and I really mean that.
by IslesFanForLife on Sep 28, 2011 2:33 AM EDT reply actions
The problem was
that this was a team made up of depth players, who lacked real support they would receive. Did not expect to take away anything when very few of those guys will be on the team.
The Adventures of Nabaov
The problem was definitely in his wandering. His butterfly style to stop the puck looks sharp and he showed the quickness to get down on his knees, but the puck playing was gruesome to watch. At times he did look lie he was in a good position to play, and that looked good. But there were so many times that he left the net and couldn’t come back or played the puck to the flames. For me, he’s still a question mark only because I liked what I saw when he stayed in the net.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
Yeah
I thought his in net play looked more efficient than anyone else we’ve seen so far. No flopping, no rushing, no overplaying. That could have been the result of not too much pressure by Calgary, but so far so good. I do expect that Nabby would be more responsive to coaching and learning an listening to his teammates on ice than DP, but the TSN crew seemed to indicate that he classically is poor with the puck so…
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 8:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lots of talk of his "standup" style too
Supposedly why Jokinen shot high on his chance cutting from the right wing in the first.
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Nabokov's puck handling had me wishing for wandering Ricky
And this is another reason why I try to avoid pre-season, the game was in general awful. Nabokov doesn’t play the puck well, but he is communicating with a new defense that won’t be there in a week.
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I was impressed with Donovan
De Haan was decent, Nabby decent for preseason, Strome looks good but I think he needs to get another year of experience. I didn;t think Reese/Wishart was that bad.
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
Hooray! Gillies makes NHL.com without "dirty" tag!
RT @NHL: Watch #Isles Gillies lay booming hit on #Flames Smith in last night’s preseason game bit.ly/qexU9d
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 28, 2011 8:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Active link
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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Mario Lemeiux
has left the building.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
8+77
lucky them got to play with gillies for the 1st half of the game…
Too bad De Haan’s shot hit the post, maybe would have juiced the boys up… jurcina looked good until he got hurt, was strong on every man he made contact with
the whole game was slow, less than 30 shots i think, not exactly riveting… and no fights… disappointing
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Jurcina
jurcina looked good until he got hurt
Ain’t that the truth. I’m starting to think this is why his value is lower than what you’d expect from his body and abilities. He’s got some Martinek Syndrome to him.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
My effort to read too deeply into a meaningless game
We already knew this, but Marty Reasoner was a really great signing.
Ty Wishart looked bad enough to clear waivers.
Matt Donovan is working hard to jump de Haan and maybe Wishart and Reese on the depth chart.
I’m hitching my cart to JP’s Ullstrom Bandwagon. Kid does a lot of things right, and he can bring some size to the lineup. If we hadn’t signed Reasoner, I think he’d be centering the fourth line this year, but I think we’ll see a whole lot of him.
Speaking of guys I think we’ll see at some point, I know he was signed for AHL depth, but Trevor Frischmon played a really good game. I could see him being a short term injury replacement more often than some of the younger guys. Not going to get a lot, but isn’t going to hurt you either
Strome and Kabanov both had flashes, and both have a lot to work on back in juniors this year. Wouldn’t be surprised if they are cut before the next two games.
Nabakov looked very sharp in the net. Not as sharp out of it, but I imagine there’s a lot more rust there. I think he either forces DP to BP, or we’re looking at the three headed monster. Barring an injury for another team, I don’t see a trade in the near future.
Nino was completely absent from this game.
BC salvaged the game with a late COZO. Was nice to see him give that kind of effort there.
Favorite joke from the game thread goes to Cary K regarding Jurcina’s injury, “Hopefully it’s just an anomaly.”
If you missed it, skip the replay. The game was really boring.
watched 2 periods last night (fell asleep last night, ugh)...
from what i’ve seen with these depth players, a lot of reasons to be happy. donovan or dehaan will make the team. they both look like they want to make the big club and it shows. wishart doesn’t impress me and might have to be either a 7th or 8th dman or sit in the minors until we need him. strome and kabanov should go back to juniors and sharpen their game up for next season. they’re both not ready. did nino even play? i like steve staios, i think he’ll help us out this season…
nabby looked sharp and although his playing the puck looked a little scary, he’s solid enough to give us a chance every game given that he doesn’t get into a funk or gets hurt. call me crazy, but i think the isles are going to have a 3 goalie carousel. one will be scratched, and they’ll swap them around depending on their performance/who hurts something. i think of what we’ve all seen, either nabby or ricky will start the opener. i’m excited that the isles have this much goaltending to work with. this is gonna be some year.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
There's a reason why Nino was completely absent...
He wasn’t there!
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Sep 28, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just thinking that. Clearly nino is a bust since he couldn’t even bother showing up for a game he wasn’t scheduled to play in.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Sep 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yea
a little joke I threw in. Funny cause it’s true.
by afrosupreme on Sep 28, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
i just wanted to see him play. they were playing pretty much the guys who haven’t clinched a spot on the roster yet. i know nino is expected to be on the team, but has he really earned a spot? i wish i payed more attention to the game instead of watching (sigh)…baseball.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
Agreed on Frischmon and Ullstrom and Reasoner
All those guys, I feel the depth has been comfortably upgraded for when a shelling takes out half our forwards. Even the TSN guys mentioned that it was noticeable how the Islanders’ org depth has improved when this is essentially their B squad.
I’m disappointed in Wishart. I’m one of the ones whose hopeful about him but he’d need to have a better rest of camp for me to count on him.
Alas, Nino can only do so much.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Chicken Parm
I didn’t see a whole lot of the game, but I thought Ray Ferraro came across as very knowledgeable about the Isles considering he works way up in the middle of nowhere. At least when compared to other out of market “experts”. Wouldn’t mind him coming home and getting a job at MSG…I could bring out my Ferraro jersey, which is now almost a belly shirt, more often.
I like his opinionated style
He doesn’t hold back. Unfortunately, I’m starting to gather over the years (not just with his Isles comments) that sometimes he speaks first, researches later. Which is a Milburian pet peeve of mine in broadcasters and radio talking heads.
Overall I still rate him way over most hockey broadcasters though. When he’s doing his local teams he seems both unrestrained and well informed.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
'Stacheless Parm threw me for a loop.
The lisp was there, but without the stache’ I had to keep looking twice. I’m sure he can grow it back in a matter of minutes if he must, but it was an odd change.
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THAT's what was missing
I knew he looked different, but I kept focusing on his scalp.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
My friend yelled whenever he was on-screen: “Where’s your stache????”
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nino was completely absent from this game.
What I learned from this game is that Nino cannot make a difference on his own in a B squad game. He will only make a serious impact if surrounded by highly skilled players that can either inspire his game or increase his tempo.
by IslesFanForLife on Sep 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bailey didn't do shit either.
It’s like he wasn’t even there. Unreal.
by Les Beaver on Sep 28, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Only thing Tavares is going to be worried about for the next seven years is which house to buy in the Greater TO area.
He doesn’t want to be here.
by Les Beaver on Sep 28, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Based on the limited ...
sample so far I think Matt Donovan clearly looks like the best they have back there after the top 3. I like Jurcina’s game overall, but the odds of him staying healthy for long stretches are just about nil. Donovan is in the solid and steady mold that I really like. Unless he does something to hurt his chances I can see that kid getting real minutes here sooner rather than later.
Donovan did look impressive last night.
Yet, I still think that Staios will be signed as a depth D at least for the first half of the season. Then, the kids will be slowly introduced to the NHL game.
PM: 09/2711@ CAL
+ Game thread was better than the game
- Couldn’t post a comment on LHH all day… and locating my cursor when I use directional arrows hasn’t worked in a month… and poor TMC couldn’t rec anyone last night. These are all things that make Jamie McLennan sound like he knows what he’s talking about… because nothing he says does.
+ I’m back on the Donovan wagon… he seemed to have shaken off the rust a littlle, and is now back in the running for the front seat on the BPT shuttle… not that CDH is giving it up… but…
- Ty “Wissert” (WTF… have I been mis-pronouncing it all this time… or does every NHL broadcaster need a copy of HOOKED ON PHONICS. He looked HORRIBLE tonight. I’m not going to put a lot of stock in that evaluation because he has shown much better… but don’t make a habit of it…. I don’t want another top 5 pick.
- Dylan Reese… at the end of last year Dylan looked like he got the NHL. Last night he looked like the other Dylan Reese. We can’t have that Dylan Reese in the NHL early in the season. Right now deHaan or Donovan are ahead of both Reese and Wishart (or as somebody called them in the game thread, the WIZARD and the PEANUT BUTTER CUP)
+ THE MIGHTY STACHE… highlight reel “SIT YOUR ASS DOWN” hit that could get him on a Shanny Reel as… THIS IS HOW YOU PUNISH SOMEBODY WITH A HIT training segment. Firrst you make your body hard, and then you make the other body go limp. Great job 14!
+ Strome played a pretty damn good game on the whole sheet. Of course the announcers want the Islanders to STAND OUT… but nothing is said about the fact that a team of AHLers and guys who will be in small canadien markets playing junior hockey in 10 days held a Flame team to about 4 good scoring chances.
+ Cappy and Dean C. should get some credit for a job well done.
+ Nabokov looked pretty good in teh crease
- Nabokov looked pretty bad outside the crease.
- Koskinen is slowly working his way to a Walbaum’s near you. He’s a natural for stacking the cereal boxes that nobody else can reach… and that’s about it. If he ever does make it to the NHL full time, it won’t be at the NVMC.
+ Liked what I saw from Marty Reasoner… it’ll be fun to see who he winds up with. I bet he slides all over the depth chart and does an acceptable job anywhere he goes. I’m starting to expect a younger Mike Sillinger, little less grit, little more speed.
- Losing Rhett and Juce in a pre-season game. Rhett is really starting to scare me… and Jurcina is just back on his regular schedule. Jurcina is going to be important… and this year is important to Rhett… I hope they are just minor injuries and they were held out as a precaution.
+ Ullstrom really looks like an NHL ready asset. I want to see him with NHLers, I really think he can contribute.
- Snow v Sutter. Was this lineup a direct answer to Sutter. We lose Frans when he’s with the Devils because his son skated with his head down int doug weight, then when he’s with Calgary Phaneuf creams Kyle with a borderline 10 gamer(Shanny Rules) that nobody in the NHL offices even talks about.
I have to think that a lineup without the top two lines, and top 4 defensemen is saying, but with Trevor, Haley and Dibo is saying… “screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice… you’re getting on my nerves, screw me… oh no this isn’t happening a third time”. If that was Snow’s rational, I’m cool with it… otherwise, I’d like to see Strome, Kabanov and some of the other elite prospects mixed in with vets throughout the pre-season… I am not a big fan of the blind leading the blind.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
by JPinVA on Sep 28, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fuax hawks McLennan
- I may be old school, but faux hawks in general are annoying, add in Jamie McLennan’s being off center and he had my wife aksng, “How can you listen to that doofus? Just look at him.”
+ Chris Osgood, Dwayne Roloson and Marty Biron are gauranteed a spot on the NHL network. If you can’t find a GM job it seems all ex-Isled goaltenders get a shot at studio analyst position.
PS
Couldn’t post either yesterday.
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easy on the fauxhawk
by the end of the day, my hair auto fauxhawks on me, it’s like a cruel joke of the universe, but i’ve grown used to it since it’s insanely low maintenance :-)
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Biron definitely
He’s probably practicing his color analyst skills on the bench in games right now. He’ll be a talking head the second he stops collecting NHL paychecks.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
You don't even need to be good, just an ex-Isle goaltender
As soon as I posted my original comment, Chico Resch e-mailed me and asked “What about me?” and Hextall texted he’ll be getting the LA GM job soon.
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And his hair is perfect.
Chico cracks me up. I love hearing him describe a player scoring a goal, then find out he’s talking about the wrong guy.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
Chico and Doc used to have interchangeable hair.
Then Doc lost his from his carry-on one day and it never appeared again. I hope it found a good home.
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I think they get it
from the same store that Burt Reynolds uses.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
I think "the Reynolds" is the model.
“The Shatner” used to be number 1 in sales, but was replaced by plugs. “The Connory” still does very well and now comes in shades of grey, but hasn’t been able to replace “the Reynolds.”
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
One of our Swedes need to let us know what Soderstrom is up to
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Tommy Salo is the GM of Leksands IF of the HockeyAllsvenskan.
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Is he the one
making his goalies cry during arbitration hearings now?
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent. On Twitter: @Dan_of_Science
by PGI on Sep 28, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We can't forget Glenn Healy either!
Even though he seemed to turn into a Leafs homer.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
Not unlike Chico and his Devils
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Knew there was a "big" name I was missing.
From Wikipedia: Vanbiesbrouck spent some time as a broadcaster, working as an analyst for Versus network as well as hockey broadcasts on HDNet
Even bigger yet is Kelly Hrudey who does HNIC work.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Richard Brodeurs 2 games as an Islander behind Chico and Smith quailified him.
He worked as an analyst on Quebec Nordiques French TV telecasts.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
They still have a team?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
He does broadcasts from his basement to old highlight reels.
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by Hockey1919 on Sep 28, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
According to the Canadian Media
Quebec still has a team, they’re just hanging out on Long Island until the new arena in Quebec City is finished. Or maybe they’re in Phoenix.
by Les Beaver on Sep 28, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amazing how teams that wear powder blue (Thrash and Nords) tend to move.
Things do not bode well for the Jackets and Jets already.
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the Mrs and I had a very similar conversation...
… then I was telling Smidge, “he’s an ex-Islander goaltender…” then we see chicken parm, and I tell her, “he used to play for the Islanders too… the only people that played for the Islanders, will be the guys on the ice in the Islander uniforms.”
Poor kid only made it through the first period… exhausted from replaying the Gillies hit on the DVR. She is so her father’s daughter.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
Had to do a spit take when Weekes said word around "the league" was that Tavares wanted out.
Based on what? The Toronto Sun and some wishful thinking? He then turned the comment into a discussion how Tavares was like Crosby and committed to Long Island. I think it was Noodles then that said unlike Crosby he has played with so many different players that it was hard for him to have any stability and form bonds on Long Island. At least they did give him credit for wanting to build it from the ground up. I just love when the media creates a story, picks it up and then runs with it as if it were ever a story to begin with. It’s like “they say” is a source.
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Holy cow
I missed that one.
They really did get their pregame notes from Burnside.
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Yes, Tavares hasn't been able to bond with
the guy he’s been playing on a line with for two full seasons who also by the way is a personal friend of his, nor the half dozen other guys who were drafted just the year before him and are still with the team.
I wish I had that ability to make up shit and get paid for it.
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by PGI on Sep 28, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just look at the turnover on each team within a 3 year period and it seems like you eventually play with everybody anyway.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
He is from Toronto, right?
Maybe people from Toronto think Toronto is the hockey universe?
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we will see a talented, somewhat inverted lineup Friday
… before the NHL lineup Saturday.
Probably doesn’t make sense to play Streit or JT too much two nights in a row in preseason. I expect to see 4 skilled lines including a lot of Kabonov, Ullstrom, Nino, Donovan, probably Strome on Friday night. Roll 4 both nights, right? Does Streit see limited time, or is he rested entirely for Saturday? Play younger guys on PK Friday— let tbon block the shots.
Of course, I predicted badly for Cgy game.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 28, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
Kids in the Hall
Had to smile at the “Kids in the Hall” headline on NHL.com. Wonder if RNH and Hall remember the show. They were only about 4 years old when it bit the dust…. I’m not old, I’m not old, I’m not old.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 28, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions
Ha
I’m not old, I’m not old, I’m not old … but my back hurts.
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Versatility quote
""Versatility" might not be the word for it, but I propose he’s looking for players with the speed to be dangerous in pressing situations but the ability to do different, more passive forechecks depending on the opponent. I have hunches from last season’s second half, so it will be interesting to test those out with a full season under Capuano."
i think “adaptability” is more the term – it’s always nice to see a coach change the plan to accomodate the opponenet instead of sticking with the ‘square peg’ way of coaching.
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by Fabtraption on Sep 28, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I can dig that
I like also that there is an implied level of Hockey IQ required from the player. This may be why RSH was waived.
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Ullstrom, Rakh, Kabanov
+ Ullstrom can take a hard check and come away from the boards as if he was hardly hit. I like that.
+ Rakh looked good while he was healthy last night.
++ Kabanov has a great, soft touch. He can play the short passing game better than most big guys. (When he eventually has regular line mates at the pro level, I think his annoyingly cute passing will turn into a very positive thing— as long as he doesn’t over use it.) He has a big frame, so adding 15-20 lbs (minimum) should be very manageable. He needs to learn to use his powerful stride and size more— that will be the difference between him turning into a star or another Kvasha. I hope he plays Friday— with good line mates. If he can bulk up, he’ll be a serious contender for a roster spot next year. The gurus were right to put him close to Strome and Nino on the depth chart— seems those are Isles 3 most special forward prospects. (Perhaps Petrov is in the mix too.)
= Strome isn’t ready, but you can tell he is going to be something special when he finally is. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is cut today. No shame. He showed a lot in the 2nd rookies game. He makes an effort to play defense, which is good to see from a finesse attacker.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions
Strome Home Kabon Off
Good points. I agree that it wouldn’t be a shame to send Strome packing today. Same with Kirill, though we really don’t know where he’ll be off to. If he gets the okay to play in the AHL it would be a great for the Islanders. They would have another top six forward down there to learn from, but also help the prospects/AAAAers.
Hopefully the last few pre-season games will be about making goaltending decisions, finding defensive combos that work well together and getting the walking wounded skating against competition.
I’m a little worried about not seeing any AMAC… With the show Wishart and Reese put on last night we may have to cross our fingers that deHaan and Donovan make Hamonic-esque strides this year.. and that is NOT the way i want to go into the season.
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As well as Reese, Frischmon, Marcinko and Wallace.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions
We might lose Wishart then
That’s disappointing.
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by Fabtraption on Sep 28, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Not after
last night.
Now the question is though, who is getting that 7th slot? de Haan or Donovan? Or a crap sandwich like Staios?
by afrosupreme on Sep 28, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I trust the Islanders attached video of last night's game with Wishart's waiver form
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by Dominik on Sep 28, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wishart based on a single game sample from last night - no great loss.
It would be a shame if our return on Roloson was so short lived. It was only one game so it is hard to judeg. Waivers may be that he was just that bad or there are others that have been that much better. I had higher hopes for him, but he looked out of place last night. Donovan and DeHaan, both looked like they were getting a long look.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
If you figure that a stint at BPT was inevitable for Wishart
Than he was going to have to pass through waivers regardless.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
The dicey part
would probably be trying to bring him back up.
by afrosupreme on Sep 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
They just have to do it once theres an I-word.
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he could remain in the top seven D and not go down
It may be easier to send him down now with so many other players also hitting the wire, but it was a what the hell happened to him night . Apparently it wasn’t just a one game thing eiterh if he is going on waivers.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
I thought he looked not great in all of the games I watched
So I guess it’s:
Streit/Hamonic/AMac/Eaton
Jurcina/Mottau
and Staios at number 7?
Am I missing someone?
And with AMac not 100% and Jurcina hurt, should we start freaking out yet?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
It is an odd move given the injuries and the lack of urgency to cut him. You’d have to think they are seriously considering either Donovan or de Haan making the team because of that. And I guess Staios. Ugh.
by afrosupreme on Sep 28, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Never too soon to start freaking out
I get not wanting to carry 8 D all the time (tough to always have two playing Cooking with Bruno), but I can’t help thinking the three-goalie monster is a factor.
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Can someone explain why Wishart has to clear waivers?
Last year he was sent up and down with abandon.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The short version is
Years since he signed his first NHL contract.
There are two sliding thresholds — years since first NHL contract (dependent on age at the time) and NHL games experience, whichever is met first. Wishart has hit the first one.
By my understanding, Haley will hit the second one when he plays ~33 NHL games this season, unless I’ve misread when his first NHL contract was signed.
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Where Wallace at?
/sorry
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It pains me to say that I don't get it.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it a take on Where's Waldo?
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, The Wire
When the kid finds out Wallace has been disappeared.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
What's the deadline for claiming Wishart?
And I suppose that the Isles are not in the claim clue for their own players?
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the claims can be made at noon..
then they are evaluated for priority noon the next day… and he goes to the highest priority starting with EDM and ending with BOS.
I haven’t read the CBA, but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.
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Frischmon and Wallace put in their audition tapes last night
They both played like they wanted to make it to the NHL. A good effort even if the skill level may not be there. Wishart and Reese looked like they love Bridgeport and would do anything to ensure they don’t get claimed on waivers.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
And it's funny, because Wishart and Reese are well-regarded at the AHL level
Are they right at that AAAA line? Could be.
Frischmon and Wallace, I hope they clear. Figure they will, but if not that’s the price of doing business and trying to assemble some depth to store in the AHL.
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I couldn’t help myself,
by Hey Hanrahan on Sep 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
They are good wakeup calls for me
Like when my nephew shows up listening to Justin Bieber.
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Wishie Washy on Wishart
I really want to like the guy. He seemed to be an NHL asset asked to play over his pay grade last year. With Katic out, Jurcina on the day to day, and Reese regressing, waiving Wishart scares me a little.
As I said in teh P/M, his performance last night was HORRIBLE, but a small sample compared to the small sample of positive he gave us last year.
This probably has more to do with signing Staios, and not really having any non-waiver assets to demote. Let’s hope he makes it through because we desperately need the depth, and potential.
If he does get picked up, look for either deHaan or Donovan under the Uniondale Xmas tree…
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Would have signed Staios and taken the risk he clears waivers.
No team near the cap would want him since you can’t bury his contract in the minors since he is over 35, but the Islanders could always keep him or demote him and stay above the imaginary floor.
It’s starting to look like DeHaan will be on the Island to start the season. That can mean that it really is about the best players making it and not asset management.
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I'm not sure if that's a good thing.
It’s starting to look like DeHaan will be on the Island to start the season. That can mean that it really is about the best players making it and not asset management.
I think the progression might be:
STEP ONE: Expectation Management… just enjoy the hockey, it’ll be fun even if we don’t win for a few years.
STEP TWO: Asset Management. Trying to align contracts, progression of each players “peak”, your budget, the cap [floor] and a reasonable mix of veterans, tweeners and prospects.
STEP THREE: Convenience Store Management… if this all fails you might have to preface each transacton with.. “Wood yoo care fer a slooshie with that?”
From what I’ve seen so far, deHaan is good, but he’s not ready for the NHL. The same goes for Donovan. The only guy in the group that I can say I really trusted with a 5-6 role was Katic. Hopefully Jurcina is okay and they can start the season without deHaan at the NHL level.
Streit-(Staios/Jurcina)
MacDonald-Hamonic
Mottau-(Staios/Jurcina)
They really could use some RH defensive depth… really can’t say more about letting Marty slide. Even Bruno was acceptable when he was getting the bulk of time with Streit.
/crosses fingers
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Or Donovan
A lot depends on AMac and Jurcina’s health.
Streit, Hamonic, and Eaton look to be definite to start the season. If there are three spots, Isles could use Staios and then some combo of Donovan/deHaan/Mottau/Ness.
Ness looked good with Hamonic and wasn’t sent to Calgary, so perhaps Isles think he’ll be in the starting 6 until AMac is ready? Streit with Staios? That would leave Eaton with Donovan/deHaan/Mottau.
I hope AMac is ready to go soon!
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 28, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I avoid pre-season like the plague, so from what I've seen I really can't make any assessment.
I should have used DeHaan as a strawman argument to say someone has shown enough that Wishart is expendable and not expressed it as a definitive. I like the scenario suggested by one poster, where the Islanders see more in Donovan and DeHaan for next season so that they can go with Staios for this year and not need to keep a prospect slot warm with Wishart. I’m not convince Staios is that guy, but would be a better type of scenario.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Staios and final roster decisions
Signing Staios should be done at the last minute if we are going to do it. Reason being, if we want to get rid of any of DP, Nino, Rolston, etc, we can enhance the shit out of his contract with unachievable bonuses to reach the cap floor. It is clear cap circumvention…but legal.
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by Dominik on Sep 28, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last minute- just like when they signed Doug again
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Bleh so unhappy about the Wishart waiving.
To overvalue preseason activities over NHL behavior and to reward Staios (Likely to be terrible, no future) and lose Wishart (chance to be good, plenty of future ahead of him) is just stupid.
This is the same type of stupidity that made Tallon waive Grabner.
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by garik16 on Sep 28, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Why is what has not happened being considered a done deal?
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 28, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
But what Wishart showed last year is that at minimum he could be a successful and reliable bottom pair d-man. Can you say the same for Jurcina or Mottau? Don't even talk about Staios.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I mean
he was solid in a decently long stint (20 games). But at the same time he couldn’t break through with Tampa Bay, despite them not having the best defense. And it took 4,002 injuries for him to get called up with the Isles. There has to be a reason behind that beyond poor player management.
Grabner comparison is a bit much
Didn’t seem like anyone around the league doubted Grabner would be claimed. Meanwhile, everyone’s passed on Wishart.
I’m not a fan of this chain of events, but I have to admit Wishart’s sample isn’t very big either. And there maybe things going on with him we can’t see.
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Grabner was waived a lot later than Wishart was.
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by TheMetalChick on Oct 3, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions

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