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Islanders (Preseason) Gameday: The Nabokov Debut Will be Televised

I hope you have TSN or NHL Network (U.S.). [UPDATE: MSG will also carry tonight's game.] Because until they pull the rug out from under us [just replace "they" with The Man, some faceless tycoon, "people these days" or your enemy of choice], tonight's Islanders preseason game versus the Flames is set to be televised on those outlets.

Their opponents just cut their roster down to 30; Nino Niederreiter's teammate and countryman Sven Baertschi heads back to WHL Portland. That doesn't mean the Flames will field a full NHL lineup but it will be more accomplished than the squad the Islanders are sending.

For my interests that's okay. I don't like preseason and don't want to see regulars get hurt. I'd rather get a peek at kids I won't be seeing 82 times this year, like Kirill Kabanov and Ryan Strome. Let's look at who escorts the kids:

Star-divide

Projected Islanders Lineup

Comeau-Reasoner-Rakhshani
DiBenedetto-Ullstrom-Haley
Pandolfo-Frischmon-Wallace
Kabanov-Strome-Gillies

Jurcina-Staios
Donovan-de Haan
Reese-Wishart

Nabokov
Koskinen

Not stellar, but quite fun combos there:

  • Blake Comeau could see time with Martin Reasoner this season; Rhett Rakhshani makes his preseason debut coming off a concussion.
  • Justin DiBenedetto, Davild Ullstrom and Micheal Haley could all be fighting for the same final forward slot.
  • Unsigned tryout Jay Pandolfo may need to be sold on AHL life by Trevor Frischmon and Brett Wallace.
  • Trevor Gillies is no doubt tasked with keeping anyone from going Phaneuf on the pups. Wonder if KK and Strome get any powerplay time.
  • On D, Matt Donovan and Calvin De Haan will be the promising but Bridgeport-bound blueliners. I figure Ty Wishart's spot is his to lose, but it's possible Dylan Reese applies implied pressure. Steve Staios plays against his former team in what could be a swan song or the performance that buys him one more NHL year.

In goal, Evgeni Nabokov gets the start thousands of miles from the venue he turned down last season, with Jack Capuano saying this:

"He’s (Nabokov) played so much hockey and he understands we want to give the young kids a look as well. We know what he’s going to bring to the table he’s going to play, I don’t know if he’s going to play the whole game out there right now, but he’s going to play a majority of the game and as we move on he’s going to play more and more."

Everything Capuano has said about goalies this summer has sounded like he sure wants to go with the best one, whoever that is.

 

Frans the Versatile

Elsewhere in Islanders coverage, Frans Nielsen talked with Newsday about being used on the powerplay the other night -- where the Isles racked up quick goals -- and how if that continues, it could steal from his PK duties:

"If I want to be out there against the other teams' top lines, I can't be tired," Nielsen said Monday after the Isles' practice at IceWorks in Syosset. "You just have to be smart. If they want me on the power play and it's not working or something, you just get off the ice..."

In the same article, Capuano talks about the pride Nielsen takes in his defensive game, but how he knows he can work in any role. Only preliminary talks have occurred on a new contract. I'm sure more PP exposure indirectly pushes the price up.

 

Other Links

The Canadiens have signed Chris Campoli (!), and this sets the setting for why:

The signing raises doubts about the health of defenceman Andrei Markov, who suffered a setback while recovering from a knee operation.

There is also reason to be concerned about the status of  P.K. Subban – afflicted with a mysterious back injury, sustained during off-season training. Subban has played in only one of the Canadiens’ five exhibition games.

The back-end picture has also been clouded by the mediocre preseason play of Yannick Weber and Russian newcomer Alexei Yemelin.

This is not good at all: Sean Avery claims Wayne Simmonds used homophobic slurs in one of their shouting matches last night. Here's Simmonds' post-game. Here's Copper & Blue talking about how the league needs to step in on what is way too accepted within locker rooms and on benches.

 

...and finally: Tonight, we have no reason to list Nabby as a scratch, healthy or otherwise. Welcome to the party.

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Dom - you're prolific these days...

You seem to have eluded the dreaded writer’s block. Great job – kudos to you.

by pennst92 on Sep 27, 2011 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks!

Now what to do tomorrow…

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by Dominik on Sep 27, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually took screen grabs of the burnside errors

and some of the dumber commentary. I’m going to stat doing that more often.

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by Keith Quinn on Sep 27, 2011 7:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Nielsen in rare company

and FNGO looks primed for a breakout http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1093

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by Keith Quinn on Sep 27, 2011 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

General managers across the NHL should be reserving a slot on their roster in 2012-13 for Frans Nielsen.

Ugh, let’s pray his agent isn’t aware of this.

SIGN FRANS NOW!!!

by afrosupreme on Sep 27, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Considering we've got Tavares locked up for the next 7 years before he runs off to Toronto

I’m sure Frans is Garth’s #1 priority for the upcoming offseason.

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by Fabtraption on Sep 27, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not upcoming. NOW.

If he gets to offseason, the price will be really high. Tavares was kind of different in that Tavares was not going to be a UFA. Frans has more negotiating power, believe it or not.

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by garik16 on Sep 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frans Sucks

He’s totally overrated and he at most is the 4/5th best center on this team.

Now I watch my back for Dom’s attack!

by Empire39 on Sep 27, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Frans will be at your doorstep shortly

Ever had a Danish necktie?

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 27, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

WTF?!

I’m too nervous to even Google that!

by Empire39 on Sep 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep. There will be a LOT of interest for Frans if he hits free agency.

The team needs to sign him pre-deadline ala Moulson last year….can’t risk losing him for nothing.

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by garik16 on Sep 27, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

And at the trade deadline

::sob…sniff::

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dom on KK

Does Kiril have a Junior team to go to? and if he does what team? I am thinking that Montoya is in the lead for the starting goalie gig. Waiting to see what Nabakov does in Calgary.

by Marcos V on Sep 27, 2011 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe he was drafted by Montreal Junior, which apparently has turned into this team. He’s not on the roster, but I’m guessing that’s because he is currently still with the Isles.

by afrosupreme on Sep 27, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess he could end up in the AHL if Montreal doesn't want him

(Or if they’re at their import limit.)

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Sep 27, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you remember

Roy didn’t really want him. And we had something linked a while ago (from this club) that said he may be with the Isles this year. I guess an easy way to check would be to look at their imports right? You can only have 2 in the Q I believe.

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by Keith Quinn on Sep 27, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Apparently

I missed part two of your post.

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by Keith Quinn on Sep 27, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roy

no longer owns the team, as far as I can tell. The Montreal team was bought by Joel Bouchard and moved (via Wikipedia). I sort of remember there being a “KK will be playing for former Islander Joel Bouchard” story out at some point after the dispersal draft.

There is only one non-Canadian player on their roster. I imagine he’s not listed on that team page because he’s not officially a part of the team until we return him. Or because they haven’t added him since the dispersal draft.

by afrosupreme on Sep 27, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how you wouldn't keep Haley

Granted, DiBo is great at drawing penalties, and Ullstrom looks to have shown something, but Haley is a spark plug for the team and the fans. His debut versus the Pens last year was something special between the fights and that goal. The fans clearly get a rise out of when he is on the ice and I think the team does too. He’s got the Steve Webb effect.

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by ArsenalLI on Sep 27, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool I can see it on TV

excited to see Strome although hate that he is 4th line. also to see De Haan/Donovan

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by Rickfansince76 on Sep 27, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Here I was annoyed I wouldn’t be able to see this game – wanted to see how Nabby did, and just remembered that I got a DVR yesterday – I’m all set to see one of my fave players. :)

Good luck tonight you guys (even if it is a playoff game).

GO SHARKS!
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by Angy on Sep 27, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

so that’s where my DVR went?…i got rid of mine yesterday because comcast jacked the price to $16/month. criminal…

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by gukid17 on Sep 27, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey

Did you mean “preseason” or is that a dig at the “Hapless Islanders”? Haha!

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by Keith Quinn on Sep 27, 2011 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Yes I meant preseason – it was early in the morning when I typed that and I couldn’t correct myself once I got to work cause (says a few choice four letter words) SBN was having IE 7.x issues today. UGH!

GO SHARKS!
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by Angy on Sep 27, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What, you didn't like 24 hours of 3 month old playoff games? You some kinda hater?

The NHL network is bad. During the season, it’s not awful, but post season, it’s really really bad.

by Les Beaver on Sep 27, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yea

Not a lot going on. One thing I’ve noticed from the preseason games I’ve see so far is they have a constant ticker on the bottom with … tweets from players. It is insanely dumb and really annoying. Twitter has a platform, it’s called the web. If I wanted to read tweets, I’d go there.

by afrosupreme on Sep 27, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

@grabs40

Did you see that check I just made? Preseason is good for throwing checks. Slows me down too much when games matter. My fantasy football team is ahead by 8 points. Have to go.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 27, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice! :D

Looks like Grabs has been reading all the msg boards and blogs, he is making the same kinds of jokes we all make lol.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Sep 27, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately BNOY added that part:p

by Shanamaj on Sep 27, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can't see grabs talking about himself like that

He never has come off as a me guy in the slightest.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 27, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Day of the earthquake he did retweet my joke
Pretty sure the shaking was the result of @grabs40 creating a sonic boom after going for an afternoon skate. #isles

So he certainly gets the grabs is fast humor. Definitely not a “me” guy, just has a good sense of humor. You see it in his tweets with Moulson or recently the video he was in working at the NHL store with Tavares.

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by ArsenalLI on Sep 27, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's awesome that he retweeted that.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 27, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet

Little Grabs inherited the Grabner bags under the eyes.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Sep 27, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are caused by excessive wind force

I guess Dad took him for a few laps around the rink.

by Dorfer on Sep 27, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

SORRY, Red Eagle - was trying to REC this great puppy and.....

…..cat took exception by jostling my arm!

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by ogam5 on Sep 27, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to see that feed

full of Islanders Call of Duty smack talk. But Mario would probably complain about it.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.

by PGI on Sep 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

In a Deathmatch Game last night the Islanders decided to play like a bunch of campers

and would not Sidney Crosby and his elite team of snipers set up bird’s nests on top of the blown out building on the southern edge of the screen. Each time they entered the doorway, they were met with a barrage of grenades and claymore traps. If this is the way the NYIslanders want to play CoD, I may rethink my participation in it. I hear Battlefield is a lot of fun too.

by Les Beaver on Sep 27, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol Yes..

They should be able to feed in some info from Canada, or else just play Slapshot over and over or something

by ATL Jim on Sep 27, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It really has been bad

Showing Cup highlight films and “Oil Change” type stuff would be better than constantly running Round 2 of last year. How about busting out more classic games? I’d take any random Nordique game from 1988-92 just for the fun of it.

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by Dominik on Sep 27, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Good news folks

MSG + has added the broadcast as well. So you guys without NHL network can join the party.

No Sleep 'til....

by Anarcurt on Sep 27, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Sweet

One thing his preseason has taught me, it that’s following games on Twitter or the Yahoo Sports iPhone app is terrible. I’d rather hear Steigerwald and Errey call a game than do that.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.

by PGI on Sep 27, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather stab myself in the temple with an icepick than listen to those 2 clowns.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 27, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

If that comment doesn't get ten recs, we have a problem

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!

That means they’re gonna block out the HD feed, right?

by Les Beaver on Sep 27, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

I don’t know if they can block the NHL Network version. I hope not.

No Sleep 'til....

by Anarcurt on Sep 27, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bastards put on the Bruins game instead.

Crap. Really wanted to see it in HD for once…but the game sucked anyway, so I don’t feel I missed too much.

by Les Beaver on Sep 28, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's be honest

The only reason MSG is showing this is because it doesn’t cost them anything. All they are doing is taking the NHL Network feed.

by Shane72 on Sep 27, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

For real!?

Awesome!

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by Fabtraption on Sep 27, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haley on the second line?

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 27, 2011 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Last forward spot

As for that last forward spot, it better be Haley.

by JackandAce on Sep 27, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Cuts

@BrettCyrgalis Brett Cyrgalis
Capuano says no cuts until at least after tomorrow’s practice #Isles

(Those who use twitter should follow Brett, who has been providing much needed Isles coverage for the Post).

by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 27, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I am really enjoying his coverage

I am just hoping it is going to continue and is not just a preseason tease.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Sep 27, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so

He was all set to offer (or rather be assigned) more coverage last year, but then the 20 games happened and he was assigned to whatever else the Post covers that I don’t care about. A-Rod’s sock brand or something.

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by Dominik on Sep 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

parik cleared waivers

List of those placed on waivers and those who cleared:

http://tsn.ca/nhl/icechips/

Has anyone claimed anyone yet?

by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

You mean "Repik"

But wow, that’s impressive. Would’ve thought he’d be an easy claim for SOME team.

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by garik16 on Sep 27, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor Parrish

Might be another year in the A for him. Nate Lawson cut too.

No Sleep 'til....

by Anarcurt on Sep 27, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought parrish retired

Or maybe I’m thinking of Scatchard.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 27, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good News Everyone!

Nathan Lawson was put on waivers!

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by garik16 on Sep 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Saw that

Bring back him Parrish and Flood-be like old times.

Full list of today’s waivers:

Cam Paddock (LA)
Nathan Lawson (MTL)
Brian Willsie (MTL)
Andre Deveaux (NYR)
Andreas Thuresson (NYR)
Tom Sestito (PHI)
Andrew Joudrey (CBJ)
Cody Bass (CBJ)
Dane Byers (CBJ)
Nick Drazenovic (CBJ)
Zach Hamill (BOS)
Trent Whitfield (BOS)
Peter Mannino (WPG)
Jason Jaffray (WPG)
Riley Holzapfel (WPG)
Tim Conboy (OTT)
Francis Lessard (OTT)
Corey Locke (OTT)
Mark Parrish (OTT)
Arturs Kulda (WPG)
Mark Flood (WPG)

by afrosupreme on Sep 27, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Sestito kid has a bright future

of waiting out a lengthy suspension.

"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.

by PGI on Sep 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope that effing suspension carries over

to the AHL. That hit was brutal…good on Bickel rag dolling him around.

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by Keith Quinn on Sep 27, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shanahan Lowers the Boom on the Wiz

Interesting Point:

Seriously, Trevor Gillies might be looking at the chair if he steps out of line again.

Doesn’t Shanny use Lethal Injection?

STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!

by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Sep 27, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Strome and Kabanov

is going to be an extremely interesting combo. I’m a huge fan of Kabanov’s hands, if only everything else as amazing, but he still has A LOT of time. So hope for the best I guess.

Patience is not only a virtue, its the only virtue. I'm still waiting for the other playoff series wins.

by CraigConway on Sep 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Kabanov-Strome-Gillies is a terrible 4th line. I am glad to see Strome & Kabanov get some ice time but it will be semi skill against another 4th line..maybe our speed can outwit their gropes

by IslesFanForLife on Sep 27, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

4th Line

The way I see it, Gillies only plays 3-5 minutes while Strome and Kabanov get shuffled around on other lines as guests for the game

by MSBerg on Sep 27, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

looking at that projected line up, any of the other 8 guys would fit well with strome and kabanov, but you need gilles in there in case of another okposo situation that happened a few years ago, no mas yaknow?

Patience is not only a virtue, its the only virtue. I'm still waiting for the other playoff series wins.

by CraigConway on Sep 27, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Instead of shuffling them around

Id like to see Comeau double shifted and play along side of them. Get that line in an offensive state of mind. That could be fun.

I just scored another Tuscan Dairy goal!

by Chris McNally on Sep 27, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You never know

we might just see the invention of the KOZO

Patience is not only a virtue, its the only virtue. I'm still waiting for the other playoff series wins.

by CraigConway on Sep 27, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something is screwy with the TSN homepage right now

The main photo shows two icehockey players wearing New York Islanders practice jerseys.

(Oh. They’re playing Calgary).

by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

There’s one strange name in the post… Is Brett Wallace some previously unknown brother-in-law of Matt Moulson?:o

by Shanamaj on Sep 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

can u imagine if avery said (n-word) to simmonds instead of what simmonds said?

there would be an explosion of press coverage today on all platforms including those that don’t even cover hockey or sports

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by Khan Noonien Singh on Sep 27, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

There's been a pretty strong response in the media today

Even GLAAD issued a response. From ESPN:

The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation has contacted both the NHL and the Flyers about taking action against Simmonds.

“Hate speech and anti-gay slurs have no place on the ice rink,” GLAAD acting president Mike Thompson said in a statement. “The word that Simmonds used is the same word that is hurled at LGBT youth on the playground and in our schools, creating a climate of intolerance and hostility. He should not only apologize for this anti-gay outburst, but the Philadelphia Flyers and the NHL have a responsibility to take action and educate their fans about why this word is unacceptable.”

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by Fabtraption on Sep 27, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably true

…in large part because of what happened last week. Gay rights publicists also aren’t as vocal as people like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton— they don’t really have an equivalent, do they?

I would also argue that being of African descent and being homosexual are not always the fairest to compare. (One needs to figure out whether or not homosexuality involves choice before talking about it fairly.)

If Simmonds did say what Avery acknowledged, he’ll probably be thankful that they didn’t find the banana thrower, because people will be comparing the two events/people, even if it is an unfair comparison.

BTW, I don’t think any group of people should be called names regardless of whether their beliefs are the same as mine.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 27, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

(One needs to figure out whether or not homosexuality involves choice before talking about it fairly.)

If you had met either of my gay cousins when they were three, you would already know the answer to that one lol. One on each side of my family, and I knew by the time they were in pre-k.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Sep 27, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

If you had a discussion with someone who thought it involved a lot of choice (even whether to have the emotions), you would be talking about two entirely different things.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 27, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

part of it is that it’s a newer issue than the racial stuff. Burke had a great line on this. While saying the league needs crack down on this stuff there was also this:

Burke said he has been immersed in hockey long enough to realize that the derogatory term is often used in such a cavalier way that players don’t think about what they are saying.

“I think sometimes it reflects the habitual rather than the homophobic,” he said. “Players reach into their back pocket and that’s what they say, not necessarily meaning to target someone’s sexuality.”

People don’t use racially charged words without knowing they are derogatory. People (particularly young men) use “fag” and “homo” without thinking about it, and as Burke says, without even necessarily meaning to slander someone’s sexuality. It’s similar to the use of “retarded.” It’s just something that people reach for easily because they haven’t yet realized how hurtful it can be.

Be nice if the NHL can be part of changing that.

by afrosupreme on Sep 27, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

People don’t use racially charged words without knowing they are derogatory. People (particularly young men) use "fag" and "homo" without thinking about it, and as Burke says, without even necessarily meaning to slander someone’s sexuality. It’s similar to the use of "retarded." It’s just something that people reach for easily because they haven’t yet realized how hurtful it can be.

Agreed.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Sep 27, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, lots of words used without the user actually thinking about what it means

calling someone an SOB is really putting down their mother…

calling someone a bugger….well, look up the charge for “buggery”

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better to be an accident at birth, then a self made man that's a POS.

However, we also have to take into account that words often have a negative connotation projected onto them. A close relative (not one that posts on LHH) was diagnosed as mentally retarded over 50 years ago and for years we said he had mental retardation. We weren’t being cruel or nagative, just explaining the facts.

He has the same affliction today as he did 50 years ago, but the “proper” terms for the same affliction have changed. In fifty years, a new stigma may be attached to the new phrase. It isn’t the phrase that needs to change, but the stigma attached with things you have no control over. A lot of this is generaional, so terms that are out of vogue today were common usage not so long ago. I no longer have a mailman or a garbageman, but I never did think the mail-carrier was made out of envelopes and postage stamps and was of a specific gender and certainly never thought the sanitation engineer was made of garbage and composte.

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Sep 29, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about that, but then the coverage has been similar to past racial slurs

The problem then (there have been multiple he said-he said racial slur incidents) is no one has the audio, lip-reading doesn’t quite suffice, and the alleged denies saying it.

It’s not quite the smoking gun that two bananas hurled on the ice are. But I think coverage has been similar to previous incidents (with Simon maybe? And Avery himself maybe? I forget all the culprits), which is a good sign.

Of course the comments on the Puck Daddy post about it are mostly detestable.

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by Dominik on Sep 27, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know, Dom

Deaf people are awfully good at lip reading.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 27, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

my Grandmother was stone death & read lips well

the flu & fever @ 7 caused it…and my Grandmother was a master at reading lips…it always amazed me how she could watch TV and understand

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

luckily comments here are sane...

except for that guy who thinks he’s Ricardo Montalban

by Khan Noonien Singh on Sep 27, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Did you hear what Avery did say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-rGud48R5E&feature=share

But honestly, I don’t blame him a bit. That is how I think it should be played when guys are running around taking liberties on your players. Not necessarily murder, but target, hit, rough up, facewash etc until Giroux is like…“um Sestito, cut the shit and play some hockey” or “Lavy, get this assclown off the ice before he gets us killed”.

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by Keith Quinn on Sep 27, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Refs said they didn't hear anything..........lol

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Sep 27, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steamed?

Will this game be streamed online anywhere?

by Isles2011 on Sep 27, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure if it'll have legitimate streams

but you should be able to find it here later. It’s a site to bookmark if you’re going to need game streams consistently.

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by ArsenalLI on Sep 27, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

schweeet

thanks for the tip, I will check it out. Do they get games year round?

by Isles2011 on Sep 27, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

they’ll pretty much carry streams of all sports year round. They are a little less reliable with hockey but they always have football/soccer games.

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by ArsenalLI on Sep 27, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I lost remote control privileges tonite… ladies movie night.

by BattFist on Sep 27, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm ready to see what Nabby can do

Good or bad. But, I’m actually hoping that he will turn out to be a pleasant surprise.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Sep 27, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow that is nostalgic

Reading and the Islanders. That is awesome, except now I can’t get that theme song out of my head.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Sep 27, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now we know where Hrudey got his mojo for the Easter Epic

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 27, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the!

Geordi LaForge played for the Islanders!? This was great! With his visor, he could never be screened! You know, if this was last year, mid-season or so, he may have had the job as starting goalie after that practice.

In other old news:
Islanders Win Stanley Cup – Weekend Update
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oLkMoSp2_o

by Isles2011 on Sep 27, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's awesome!

People were actually clapping and cheering for the Islanders? I want to live in a world like that…

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.

by Fabtraption on Sep 27, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Song

totally gets in your head. I didn’t even watch it and I’ll be singing it all night.

by afrosupreme on Sep 27, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I CANT REC!

When I try to ‘rec’ a post, it looks as if I am flagging it.
Its doing it in IR, in firefox, and on two different computers. WTH? I live to rec. :(

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Sep 27, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

IE, not IR. LOL- you know yore an Islanders fan when...

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Sep 27, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Some recs for those in need

Heard about your troubles, so here are some recs for you. I rec’ed, then reloaded, and they stuck.

by Isles2011 on Sep 27, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could rec

and unrec this one. But I’m in Firefox on a mac, so I’m of little help.

by afrosupreme on Sep 27, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isles vs Devils video

Maybe this has been mentioned, however, in case someone’s missed last weekend’s pre-season game against the Devils, the full-game coverage is now online and accessible for everyone on Islanders TV.

I’ve just watched it – and honestly was slightly disappointed, based on some reports I expected some things to look a bit better. Sure, some rust early on is nothing surprising at all and the win was deserved anyway, thanks to FnGO and the PP. But I thought it was a bit of a turnover festival in the first half and then, after a really good stretch in the middle, they lost their structure and were chasing around a little towards the end.

As for individual performances, I thought Aaron Ness was outstanding, moving the puck extremely well, being smart defensively and just not overwhelmed by the pace and the intensity of the game at all, quite the contrary. I’m pretty sure we’ll see quite a bit of him up here this season.

Steve Staios on the other hand didn’t do anything particular out there at all, and actually did look a little slow to me in some situations. Let’s see what he’ll bring today, but I’d be surprised at this point if they signed him.

Josh Bailey looked very promising to me. He was skating much harder than in most parts of the last season, was very strong on the puck again, the passing and the decision making was sharp and the reason it didn’t show on the scoreboard was just that he played with pretty bad line mates all night.

Nino was hard to assess. I didn’t think he was particularly involved, maybe less so than Strome actually, but well, he’s got a totally different game of course. And he wasn’t poor, although I think the passing, the play away from the puck, and there just the combination of his skating and how he sometimes is chasing around, are not quite on NHL level. However, at this point I’m absolutely sure he’ll get the 9 games again this season and they’ll see what they’ll do with him then.

by BenHasna on Sep 27, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I AM WATCHING THIS RIGHT NOW AND..

All I have to say is SHANNY is cutting the b**Ls off of NHL hockey. This is ridiculous from the suspensions to Avery-Simmonds bit. I mean c’mon…

PS: Lets do it Nabby.

The will is inside.

by JBarreraUSA on Sep 27, 2011 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

If The NHL had only taken their heads out of their asses years ago, instead of promoting head shots as legit...

Scott “the Head-Hunter” Stevens would have been out of the NHL 4-5 years earlier…Seriously, take a look @ this guys so called best hits, the vast majority are high and/or headshots…PLL can say what they will about Potvin, but he was no headhunter…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

PL3's been talking bad about Potvin?

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Sep 29, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

a lot of non-Isles fans hate on Denis....but Denis was never a head hunter

even though NHL let Stevens away with it, even promoted it and still do (I dare say, if you took all of Stevens’ high hits and head shots, what would you be left with from his so-called greatest hits?) Calling Steven’s a better checker than Potvin is misguided, confused, a joke even…Potvin’s last season in the NHL is on par with Steven’s best years in the NHL…and Denis didn’t need favourable calls on questionable hits to stay in the league.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

here you go Oz, some fans' top 10 Stevens hits

check out how many are high and or head shots? and how many of his victims had shortened careers due to concussions…there should have been more Trevor Gillies brought into the league, if for no other reason, then to beat on Stevens and start giving him hits to the head until he was either forced to react or the NHL learn what other pro sport leagues already knew…it is pretty stupid to allow the deliberate injury of your stars who sell the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U7jUbKQYdw

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 29, 2011 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, hard not think Stevens didn't hit to attempt to injure, a number of players still do. Too bad they can't have a rule evaluation based on that.

Those are the worst. There is a difference between throwing a solid body check, and trying to hurt somebody.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Sep 29, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, the truth is in the video. Denis was a hardass, a hitter, but was never the head case Stevens was

you can’t have respect for anyone when you consistently hit guys like that in the head…what kills me is it took the NHL so long to finally realize the maddness of it all. I’d say Stevens was the worst head hunter in NHL history.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 30, 2011 2:29 AM EDT reply actions  

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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