Josh Bailey Re-Signed, It's Time for Islanders Training Camp
by Dominik on Sep 16, 2011 6:30 AM EDT
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PrintThe reports of Josh Bailey signing for two years, $2.1 million ($1.05 million salary) strikes me as a sign that the agents lost this one.
Pat Morris (Bailey's reported agent) and Newport Sports (überagent Don Meehan's agency) appeared to stretch this all summer long to see if the Islanders would bend, but in the end a sensible contract -- even cheaper than I expected -- was reached: Bailey gets a decent above-qualifying-offer raise over the $875,000 base salary of his ELC.
If Katie Strang's source is precise on the salary, then Bailey's cap hit is actually lower now than the $1.725 million of his ELC. Which was to be expected: Though a top 10 pick in 2008, Bailey's trajectory is still more of an unknown than his fellow methodical classmates Drew Doughty, Luke Schenn and Zach Bogosian. This deal takes him up to his arbitration years (pending any changes in the next CBA), where he'll cash in royally if he performs as well as his agent no doubt told Garth Snow he already has.
There are differing opinions on this -- and we don't know without witnessing negotiations ourselves -- but when a negotiation lingers this long I interpret it as a sign the agent is, as is his wont, trying to see if a GM will fold and reach beyond his budget. Garth Snow did not fold.
Newsday's Arthur Staple reported the two sides as "fairly far apart all summer." With a salary of just $1.05 million, who do you think gave in?
Meehan's group is known for representing a ton of NHL players, for representing them well, and for using the collective power that implies to create a bit of a ruckus every now and then. Certainly they're doing the latter with the Doughty negotiations. For a client in Bailey who had zero leverage this summer, Newport certainly gave it its best shot. In the end, more GMs are much smarter than they were when Meehan was wielding power in a cap-free world.
Now we can get on with the business of the season so many are hopeful about.
Islanders News
- If you missed it yesterday, Strang also reports Mark Katic has a torn labrum that probably needs surgery. Big blow for a roster bubble guy who may not have the same opportunity next year at this time.
- More perspective on the Bailey negotiation from Yahoo.
- Great Tavares Q&A transcript at nhl.com.
- ...And an audio interview via NHL Home Ice. With more copy from nhl.com. And the official site.
- I'm not going to dignify the Yashin stories with a link. We've seen this cycle regurgitated every year and thus far it's always ended up like we've predicted it would: No fire.
- This all means it's winning time -- not rebuilding. (That reminds me of JP's FanPost from last week.)
- Training Camp: Player physicals begin today at 7 a.m. as the veterans report. On-ice stuff begins Saturday. There will be a media day Tuesday, and the first preseason game is Friday (a week from today) in Boston.
- In the video posted below, Snow talks about how excited he is for the season, how he wishes the season started yesterday. We're getting there.
- Who are the best near-minimum salary players in the NHL? Area 51, anyone?
- Yesterday's "Frozen in Time" Islanders shot was a classic.
- FanShot: Cool video of Isles getting inked up at Tattoo Lou's.
A.M. Updates
More since this was originally published:
- CBS Local on what the Tavares contract means.
- The Post on Bailey. Newsday's fuller story. And heh, the official site's announcement titles it "In Before the Wire."
- Isles cuts via FanShot: "Brenden Kichton and John Persson will return to their respective Western Hockey League (WHL) teams, while Andrey Pedan will return to his Ontario Hockey League (OHL) club. The Islanders have also released Art Bidlevskii from his Amateur Tryout Contract (ATO)"
Other Stuff
Speaking of agents and the players they guide, Quisp has an interesting thought exercise on what, exactly, is at stake for Drew Doughty. Of course, the Kings don't have a Wang rule, so for Meehan and Doughty, not showing up for the start of camp is all part of trying to make that GM bend...
FanShot: Meanwhile, the Sabres got their deal done with Tyler Meyers.
And Luke Schenn gets 5 years at a reported $3.5 million.
The Hurricanes will remember Josef Vasicek with a #63 patch this season. Miss you, JoVas.
Okay, this is close to why I am vocal about nostalgia, about the Islanders' original colors, about not fidgeting with things just to sell more jerseys: Traditions should be nurtured by fans, not by marketers. I spend a lot more money on NHL merchandise when marketers play on my already existing sense of tradition, rather than trying to force new ones down my throat. (Yes, I'm looking at you, RBK.)
Incomes: Decent look at franchise incomes as reported by Forbes. This five-year chart may be the better snapshot (though teams usually dispute Forbes' numbers). The big takeaway for me from these is always a reminder that this league stands on a very few mega-profitable teams. It doesn't make sense to have a six-team league, so somebody's gotta share. But as revenue disparity widens ... well what then? Share even more?
John Tavares with the Media
Here's part of Tavares' scrum with the media yesterday. Wow, he looks and sounds so grown up compared to his draft year.
Garth Snow on Tavares
Here's Snow talking about Tavares and the overall lineup yesterday. They talked about "several different scenarios."
Calvin de Haan Mic'd Up
Nothing jaw-dropping, but still fun. Such a smooth skater:
Tyler McNeely Workout
Finally, from JP (VA chapter), a training promo video with Tyler McNeely from his Northeastern days:
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I dont usually check the computer in the morning before school but I had to today just for this. Im happy he finally resigned. Sitting out a year when this is the year he needs to prove himself would just have been stupid. Im ready for training camp, then the season now.
Sauce and Thor
That was really funny, the kid is definitely a character. I am now convinced that we moved up the extra time just for the laughs. Garth was really just laughing the entire time he was trading up, it was only when he stopped he realized he was at the 12 spot and he got real serious.
But really, hope the kid puts together a well rounded game in the AHL and can be a call up when needed.
Nielsen on the chopping block now, get it done. Nostradamus writes that the entire of country Denmark will land on Long Island when the deal is done. Its not a metaphor either, its literal.
Mikko is just getting hammered...
Poor guy fell below Rosen on the depth chart this week. That’s a place even Odin dreads.
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ROSEN IS GOD
CEASE THIS BLASPHEMY!
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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Sep 16, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I was pretty happy to hear that
“Thor” works for me.
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"Thor" is Nystrom and always be "Thor". I mean it really is his name Robert Thore Nystrom.
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I always wonder if the kids know/are told stuff like that
Probably not in this case. But Keith Tkachuk got “Walt” at an age where almost all of his teammates wouldn’t have played with Walt Tkaczuk, but at least some knew of him.
Maybe they should be really meta and call Nilsson “Bobby.”
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"18" before Ed Westfal was "18" and when being a New York hockey fan meant you had to be a Ranger fan..
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After seeing Thor...
I ran through all the youtube on #23 with Smudge(for the newbies, Smudge is my daughter). I have her on a cycle now getting ready for the season. We talk about all the new signings, draft picks and prospects… but there’s always room for the “rafters roundup”. So she understands just how great 5 9 19 22 23 and 31 were… and I always add 27..and a little 8 as well.
She has also sat with me through the first 2 of the Islanders Best 10 ggame son DVD… she is going to be such a weird 6th grader… better to be Garth than Goth.. I always say!
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by JPinVA on Sep 16, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
We always referred to Bobby Ny as THOR....
especially when he fought “he would drop the Hammer”.
THOR= Bobby NYstrom
In loving memory;Dad thanks for making us Islanders fans, ACC 1918-2011
One less thing to think about
Now there are two years for Baily to prove himself. Hopefully, he will do it this year.
All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.
Thoughts will come one at a time
Re: Josh Bailey
Good to have him signed. I watched a comment on TSN last from Dreger in which he lambasted the Isles for threatening to sit Bailey for the year, claiming that this was a bad move for labour peace, given that the NHL has its own deadline in December for signing. Much as I would have hated to see Bails sit for the year, I thought Dreger was just wrong. Wang’s policy is a solid one which does not allow the team to be blackmailed and disrupted by an RFA who has not [yet] established himself as an irreplaceable NHLer. More to the point, since by sitting him out, the Isles are actually intentionally giving something valuable up (ie. a year of Bailey’s services pre UFA), and, even more to the point, since Bailey is really not an indispensable part of this team, it’s perfectly reasonable to require him to be signed prior to the opening of camp.
Doughty is a different story. He has more leverage than Bailey, b/c he is a bona fide NHL star and the Kings really can’t do without him. I fully expect that he’ll be signed to something obscene before too much longer.
I still can’t help but think that Bailey is getting the absolute worst o fthe Isles rebuild. First, he’s “forced” to play in the NHL in his age 18 season due to the Isles being so bad, thus (imo) stunting his development pretty badly, and now, after struggling through his ELC, he has no leverage in his first RFA contract. here’s hoping he lives up to his potentil over the next couple so that he can both cash in and be a big part of the Stanley Cup team.
Now, for God’s sake, Garth, get Frans signed long term.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Sep 16, 2011 8:02 AM EDT reply actions
Josh hasn't had it THAT BAD...
I still can’t help but think that Bailey is getting the absolute worst o fthe Isles rebuild. First, he’s "forced" to play in the NHL in his age 18 season due to the Isles being so bad, thus (imo) stunting his development pretty badly, and now, after struggling through his ELC, he has no leverage in his first RFA contract. here’s hoping he lives up to his potentil over the next couple so that he can both cash in and be a big part of the Stanley Cup team.
CONS
Missing the memorial cup run where he would have been a beloved captain.
Missing the WJC where he would have been a key member.
Joining a team that needed veteran leadership and talent…and while the organization was mired in turmoil.
He didn’t even get to be the shiny new coin, because Kyle was brought in at the same time, and was better prepared.
PROS
Three years of his ELC where at the NHL rate. That’s nothing to shake a stick at. He also gets to arbitration and UFA standing younger.
He now has three years of NHL under his belt. In year two he was on a trajectory to be a 20G 50P player. That seemed to have been disrupted by injury. There’s no reason why we can’t hope that Josh isn’t closer to his first 6 games of 2010-11 than he was to that middle 20 game slump that EVERYBODY suffered.
He is a very tradable commodity. Not that I would like to see Josh traded, but with the slew of talent on it’s way he might be better served somewhere that could use him as a #2 center. With Frans still rising, Strome in the wings and ANders and Brock perculating in college…. Bailey needs to EXPLODE this year. Not to mention a bottom 6 C position might be headed to Casey.
None of this is bad for Josh… he just needs to go out there and give it his all.. and things will work out. Especially if he SHOOTS MORE!
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by JPinVA on Sep 16, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously
I wish someone paid me a whole bunch of money in advance for my “promise”. (Which truth be told, still isn’t actualized!)
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I really think that
Garth works very hard on his Scrooge-like, never let them see you’re thrilled by something game face. When this team wins a Conference Semifinal or championship and then a Stanley Cup, he’s going to let loose with one of those "FU, hockey “experts”, I told you so!!!" happy dances.
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by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Sep 16, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
What he said
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
Boo Hoo/Cheer Cheer
BooHoo poor Bailey
JB made ~900k + Bonuses a year instead of 65k being “properly” developed at BPT.
He ONLY makes a million now instead of what? if he had been “properly” developed in BPT
-He’s still financially ahead right now and will still be when he gets to arbitration
Cheer/Cheer
He’s only 21
Only starting forward younger is JT
BC is 25 do you think JB can hit 20 goals sometime in next 4 years
Was still growing as of last preseason
He’s only 21
Boohoo/Cheer Cheer
Is a great takeoff of the ol’ plus/minus.
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by Dominik on Sep 16, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree on the Wang policy
It used to bug me a bit, or wonder if anyone should be so absolute.
But the more I think about it, the more I like it as a way of preventing holdout nonsense. The Isles are frugal but clearly fair. Okposo, Grabner, Tavares have been rewarded. They’ve established if you deliver enough promise, they’ll commit.
Having the prospect of a holdout affecting the team, the roster, and that player’s conditioning/form for the first half of the year is just detrimental to everyone. The CBA no doubt put Dec. 1 as the drop-dead date so that players felt they still had some leverage and teams felt they had a clear drop-dead date. But I think insisting this stuff gets taken care of before camp is ultimately best for everyone. They’ve had all summer.
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by Dominik on Sep 16, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the policy, too
You’re either on the team and ready to move forward as a unit, or you go someplace else. As bizarre as it sounds, its the Islanders trying to limit distractions (such as “when’s this guy coming back?”) during the season.
But make no mistake, If it was “Ray Shero’s Policy” it would be a hardline stance by a no-nonsense take-no-prisoners leader of men. But since it’s “Charles Wang’s Policy” it’s unfair and stupid and hurtful to all square-jawed hockey players across the globe.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
by PGI on Sep 16, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Yashin and Peca holdouts were probably on their minds
Among others. But the league had to really clarify stuff like this.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Problem is
it’s a fine policy when they are playing chicken with Bailey or Bergenheim, but what about if it were JT or Grabner? Are you really going to let those guys spend a year in Europe?
Obviously they’ve done a good job taking care of those guys, but it’s not inconceivable that there could be a situation like that in the future.
by afrosupreme on Sep 16, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think maybe
Because if guys like that want to hold out until the end of November, they’re essentially facing the same problem — only worse, they’ve missed half a season, and their playing options are even further limited.
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P.S. (deleted your duplicate comment for ya)
Adam has me rediscovering the delete tool for the first time all summer.
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by Dominik on Sep 16, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
It stalled out and I resubmitted.
That’s a tough job. Cleanup on Aisle Botta!
by afrosupreme on Sep 16, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Important thing is
Wang’s policy is backed by action (Bergy) and balanced with fair compensation offers that are consistent per performance and career development. With those together it provides a fair stable framework for compensation and expectations. I don’t see how an agent is serving a clients best interest by advising a client to risk the consequences trying to break such a policy
If the Isles continue this trend: Agents may start to hate the Isles because they blunt some of their “special” skills they provide their clients
YES... one palicy for all.
I really think it is Charles saying that he will make a fair offer before camp, if your agent wants to play games you’re gonna lose out in the end. I can’t see an instance where there wasn’t a fair offer made to a player… and the CBA makes it pretty hard not to at least be fair.
Josh didn’t get any offer sheets, did he? Nobody was going over $1.5M because he’s not worth paying that much AND GIVING UP COMPENSATON.
If it was JT or Grabs the organization has to start at what he is worth when compensation is involved… then you can add to it so that the player feels appreciated in the marketplace. If he still doesn’t get it…
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Maybe Wang did that to prevent injuries on the shitty ice
With the groins and the hips and stuff, given a old outs, how much more injured do you think this lineup could have been?
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This is great news...
I am in a very happy place right now. Rookie camp showed a lot of promise. The 2011 draft seems to have been a very good one from top to bottom. Calvin is looking more and more like a 2011-12 contributor… and Bridgeport is going to have a young team that will be really tough to play against.
The only bad thing to come out of rookie camp was Katic’s injury. With Marty and Jack Hillen gone he probably is in the top 8 for an NHL job… another opportunity to be in the NHL foiled by injury. Get well soon Mark.
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That shiould mean
that Bidlevski, or one of those other D make BPT. (Olsen) Which in actuality, I prefer a bit. That D at BPT is extremely small.
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Agreed...
Bidlevski probably gets a little more playing time, but the top four on that D will be solid after about 20 games together. deHaan, Donovan, Klementyev and one of the NHL top 8…probably Reese. That’s 40+ minutes of some pretty good AHL D. But they’re young. With Katic that would have been a ticket to a very fast AHL start.
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The Islanders returned Art Bidlevskii to his junior team
Brenden Kichton, Andrey Pedan and John Persson were also sent back to juniors.
Interesting...
CBA QUESTION… 10 AHL games and 4 years of Junior as an undrafted free agent. Do they control his rights? How does that work?
My guess is it is like releasing him, because i can not see him not having the ability to sign with another team rather than go back to juniors as an over-ager. But I don’t have a clue.
The other three are Islander property, and too young to go to the AHL, so they make perfect sense.
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Yes, they released him
#Isles news: Three players assigned to Junior teams, one released from ATO. http://t.co/w5hdmQut
Surprised
Kichton didn’t get a little more of a sniff given his age and big numbers last season, just to see how he does against NHLers.
by afrosupreme on Sep 16, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Kichton
He’s 19. No chance of seeing AHL time until next year. Yes, he had huge numbers as a D… but against boys. The spots available are clearly for guys who can play in the AHL (deHaan, Donovan) and players that can bring something that is lacking…size (Olson).
78PIM in 17GP shows a willingness to keep a guy like Sean Avery from f***ing with your oft injured goaltender. The problem is that the Avery’s and Cooke’s of the league will see Olsen as a 215lb pylon… so he’s not going to see a lot of NHL time.
Mayfield and Pedan will be more helpful, but I don’t see Garth giving up roster flexibility now that he has some depth. These guys have to be AHL eligible to have any consideration at all.
Keep an eye on that waiver wire.
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I just meant
a couple of days in camp with the big boys. Give him a taste, then send him back.
Is there a limit on how many guys they can have in camp?
by afrosupreme on Sep 16, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably...
just so many showers… too many bodies make them flood.
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by JPinVA on Sep 16, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
DOn't know
but I think the Leafs’ have like 70.
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With respect to the rest.....
… I got nuthin.
Except how do I get one of those WONderful polo shirts?
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Sep 16, 2011 8:18 AM EDT reply actions
How to get a wonderful polo shirt in 2 easy steps
1. Sign a 6 year 33 million dollar contract, or
2. Sign somone to a 6 year 33 million dollar contract
Easy right? Who knew it would be so simple!
by Isles2011 on Sep 16, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is 52 degrees on LI right now...it smells like hockey
Great day for the start of camp and all of our campers are here!
Question, does anyone remember if Snow was this bad of an interview when he was a goalie? Poor guy, he looks so uncomfortable. But he also looked like he wanted to be so proud and giddy like a fan…holding back his smile on a lot of occasions.
This is just fantastic right now…if they play well this year, it will be such a feel good story.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 16, 2011 8:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
A fear of public speaking...
… is not unique to Garth. But he should get better at it as his approval ratings shoot through the roof. If this team comes out with a winning record after 20 games he sould be able to give his state of the team Q&A’s naked in Times Square. Of course, if they regress to another first overall pick he’ll be doing the state of Garth Snow Q&A’s naked…. but a bit further downtown.
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I don't remember Garth being interviewed that much at all
Even when he got a ton of playing time. The bigger the stage, the more uncomfortable he looks. I think he maybe very conscious of how someone’s words can be twisted to fit whatever narrative people want to create. So he tries to say as little as possible. But I’ve heard he was an unrepentant trash talker as a player, so maybe he’s trying to suppress his inner shit stirrer.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
by PGI on Sep 16, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember print interviews, but not audio/video when he was a player
I do think part of this is still a product of his buttoned-up public form (as opposed to off the record form), although I’m sure some of it is from a lack of enthusiasm for public speaking.
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(So in other words, exactly what Pretty Good Idiot said)
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First Place! First Place!
This was print, but in 2001-02, Newsday was asking the players what their favorite chant at the Colisuem was; for some it was “Let’s go Islanders”, others liked the chicken dance, but I believe Snow’s favorite was “First Place! First Place!” chanted from a game after Thanksgiving when we beat the Maple Leafs and were 1st in the East. I’m sure he remembers that and wants to get back to that point.
by Isles2011 on Sep 16, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We all do...
I hope at some point it’s “FIRST PLACE, FIRST PLACE” and then when we are in position to eliminate somebody in the playoffs it’s, “WE WANT FIVE, WE WANT FIVE”
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Followed quickly by
“We Want Six!”
Hey, a boy can dream, can’t he?
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One for the thumb...
then one for the genital piercing crowd!
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21st century bling!
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I agree in part, the other part is he really doesn't want to say anything at all, ever, period.
We’ve had a sound bite GM and now he works for NBC and NENS. How’d that work out for us. Snow’s discomfort is his in his unwillingness to divulge anything. He may be sensitive to the fact that any time he does say anything the press translation is "former back-up goaltender that was promoted to GM by the hapless Islanders stated “… fill in the blanks”.
Kerry FRaser just recently spoke about how funnay and engaging Snow was as an ISlander netminder, so I think it really is a question of what audience he is targeting.
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I think Garth's m.o. is to be the anti-Milbury
Say enough to get the message across and not a word more
Good point
That’s probably a lasting motivator after he lived through it.
I remember in his early years there being hints from reporters of him being determined not to make the mistakes of the past. Always gave me that “Not gonna be MM” feeling.
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Memorable Garth quote
Was after a Rags game in which he and Lindros were yapping at each other. Garth was asked what Lindros was saying to him, and Garth replied, “I couldn’t understand him, he was speaking Canadian.” Classic.
by Dorfer on Sep 16, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Most memorable Garth Quote part 2
“Way” in respone to Wang’s “No Way”.
but I may be paraphrasing.
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by Hockey1919 on Sep 16, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The precursor to that was
“Charles, I’m ready to be your GM.”
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I love the smell of snow blowers in the morning
…and I bet Garth does too!
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Joe Sakic is at best lukewarm on the matter
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In comparison, Toews wants to know why Sakic is so hot about the issue?
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OMG!
hahaha
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 16, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So, that puts us slightly above the cap floor (by 1.6 mil)
according to capgeek, but they have our roster at 25 and including the 3 headed monster, Nino, and Reese and Wishart, Haley, Martin and Gilliest. (14 forwards/8 D)
I’m not sure I expect the roster to stay that way, and if you remove Reese and Wishart, we are below…interesting to see how that all shakes out.
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But basically
Now if they ship Nino back, they are what, 1 million under the cap floor? And that money just gets divided among the current players? Has to be a non-issue at this point, no?
I'm sure they'll find a way to make it work
either way.
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Wishart
Is going to make the team, He has to clear waivers otherwise.
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That's too many players though for opening night.
2-depth forwards, 2-depth d-men, and 3 goalies. That’s too much. I think we are still ~$1mil over the floor though, even with Bailey and Reese/Gillies-Haley off.
Put Katic's $875k hit on IR
…add another inevitable injury, and voila!
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Already penciled in DP on my IR crib sheet
But seriously: NHL median man-games lost last season was 157
Dom’s right injury inevitability will likely solve that issue
When DP breaks a hand shaving, you're all set!
Jeff Carter to Columbus? Wait, I've seen this one before, it was called Shanahan to Hartford. Advice? Don't buy a Carter jersey.
by BrassBonanza10 on Sep 17, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
McNeely continues to intrigue me
That video was kinda awesome.
No Sleep 'til....
Agreed
I think the kid is going to be interesting at BP. He got a chance and made the most of it, but has to understand that he’s gotta do something big to stick around with the Isles and at BP this year, as there won’t be room for him long term. And I love underdogs.
"Failing upwards! How come I can’t ever seem to do that?" - AP77 on Strang's ESPN Job
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Imagine
if he had done all that stuff …. WEARING CHAINS!!!
by afrosupreme on Sep 16, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I went to the second rookie game, and was really impressed by him.
He was all over the place. I don’t think I had ever heard of him before….
The McNeely Wagon
I’m on it. He’s can be a nice chip for a team that pays attention to NCAA Hockey. I’m guessing the Isles had scouts at NorthEastern looking at Oleksiak, and Tyler made an impression on them.
He paid immediate dividends with 11P and a +9 rating in 10 AHL games. If he can maintain that kind of effort (PPG as a plus player) the only thing that will get in his way in the NHL is his size. Good players overcome that hurdle.
McNeely is my vote for diamond in the rough pick-up of 2011-12 (see grabner, moulson, parentau). I don’t know about him being a 30G guy, but with Rakh going down again he will probably get a shot if he can keep up the effort.
It really is amazing how this franchise has turned around in three years.
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Garth Mustn't Have Gotten the Memo from Wyshinski Naming JT Captain
He can now go back to blogging from mom’s basement in his underwear about photos of jersey fouls taken behind people standing at a urinal.
Bailey will breakout....
this year. I am a huge advocate of this kid. Unfortunately i blame the Isles for his mishandling. Im sure its been discussed so i wont get into it. I just hope the Isles keep him as a center and let him play. He showed flashes of dominating games early in the season last year. Problem is the kid probably had no clue what the coaching staff was asking of him. A huge (sometime overlooked) point is that when he was sent to the AHL he dominated again. Often people look to the point that he was sent down and not what he accomplished while he was down there. He is not a flash in the pan prospect who couldnt hack it in the NHL and went down to the AHL and played lethargically putting up mediocre numbers. He is not in the same mold as a Nikoai Zherdev, Oleg Kvasha. He once again showed dominating form. He just needs to find his comfort level and play like he is the best player on the ice (whether that may be true or not). He has the ability. Glad to see the Isles committed 2 years. Bailey could be the make or break player this year that determines the Isles playoff hopes. He should’nt be overlooked.
Where Were You
I need some help and on the post “Some Josh Bailey Thoughts”
It seems this whole site is against Bailey. They consider him a bust.
I think most people want to see him succeed, but it’s been a tough run for him. I don’t consider him a bust at least.
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I like Bailey and I think he's done "ok".
I certainly don’t put him into the “bust” category. At the very least, he’s good defensively and can move the puck.
NYIPB... remove it from your brain.
It seems this whole site is against Bailey. They consider him a bust.
This community does not operate as one. I read through that thread and see 50 different opinions. None of them have more merit than the other. It’s just people expressing how they feel. I also read it as most of us saying that he is 22, mis-handled, and has a lot of pressure on him because of the talent coming in behind him.
Stop trying to conform a consensus so you can appear “inciteful”.
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by JPinVA on Sep 16, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hah. Inciteful
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Sep 16, 2011 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
:-\
I read through that thread and see 50 different opinions. None of them have more merit than the other
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by bob l on Sep 16, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's because..
you smell bad and your mother dresses you funny!
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i'll have you know
my mother stopped dressing me years ago…
…
…
but she still UNDRESSES me from time to time
(yep, an incest joke – i’m not above them)
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by bob l on Sep 16, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My mom used to tell me that all the time!
Good times.
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"This community does not operate as one."
Thank you for this. I do think that’s an important point.
Maybe I’m overly sensitive to it, maybe I spend too much time here and know so many characters so well. But one thing I value about this place — and hope to maintain — is that there is NO GROUPTHINK. (I mean, there’s some, mostly with the inside jokes and fun hyperbole about Frans’ divinity/Grabner’s speed, etc., but in actual debates there is room for all combatants.)
Sometimes we’ll have a debate where two or three people are hammering and expanding on the same premise back and forth, and so I guess that looks like “everyone here thinks X.”
But really, this place is supposed to be a chance for reasonable, passionate people to have fun expounding on their thoughts and fine-tuning them until they conclude AP77 is a bust.
Maybe my standard response should be, “Whatchoo mean, ‘you people’?”
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Sep 16, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
FIRE KEITH QUINN!!!!
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Sep 16, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck that
I have intangibles
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 16, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The truth is we have to adhere to an Irish quota
The Irish lobby is surprisingly strong in the halls of LHH HQ.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
So I guess this sign wasn't working for you
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
Forget the Irish quota
I’m a little concerned about the Jewish quota around here. As far as I can tell, I’m the only one here covering the opinions of the “chosen people.” Look I know we don’t have that many players out there, but that doesn’t mean our opinions don’t count. After all, it’s very possible the new captain of this team is a member of the tribe….see?
by rosey7 on Sep 16, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don't grovel
I prey on weakness!
Of course I know you’re kidding…I think, now I hope everyone doesn’t secretly hate me…
/takes meds
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Leadership?
Grit?
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If you watched the blog
You would know his real value. But you obviously don’t watch the blog, have never played the blog, and don’t know a single thing about blogging.
People like you complain about his stats, then wonder how come Keith walks around wearing so many Favorite Blog on Niche Topic With Specific Criteria That Excludes Other Candidates rings.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Sep 16, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You're doing it all wrong
“I don’t want to comment on any specific bloggers performances before I have the opportunity to go back and review the blogs. A lot of these new bloggers lack the experience that you might see out of our other guys and need time to develop. On the other hand I’ve seen some things blogged that have really impressed me. After I have a chance to review some of the writing I’ll be able to make a true evaluation and see who gives us the best chance to have a successful Islanders blog.”
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
Are we talking about this post?
I’ll only field questions about this post. We’re only thinking about this post. If you want to talk about other posts, go to those posts and ask them. … Is that all? We’re done.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Oh, so you're an expert now?
You’re an expert now.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
Well I for one always try to parrot whatever the prevailing opinion is on LHH
I like to see where other members fall on a particular issue and then just echo their sentiments so that I don’t alienate myself for having an unpopular opinion. If that is “groupthink” than I guess I am guilty.
Just kidding. In all seriousness this a sight where I think different opinions are welcome and debate is always (or almost always) constructive. There are other SBnation blogs wherebif you fall outside the ‘company line’ so to speak you are beaten down into either conforming or shamed into leaving. If you don’t believe me or think I am exaggerating go over to amazinavenue and write a fan post about the validity of RBI as a stat, or mention you think Beltran sucks.
by MatthewM11 on Sep 16, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't read any of this, but I agree with it 100%.
So long as others agree with it 100%, of course, then I’m on board, otherwise, I have no opinion on the matter, until a consensus opinion is decreed. That’s just how I roll. You don’t like it, tell me what to say and do and you got it. I’m like a honey badger that gives a shit about what you think.
by Les Beaver on Sep 16, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Amazing... isn't it
I really like the guys who control AA(the blog, not the 12 step program)… but I once responded to somebody bashing Jerry Manuel, and I swear it was like I had just ran through an orphanage with a flamethrower.
I definitely don’t fit in over there… I liked Frenchy as well… which was like being a member of the communist party during the Mcarthy era.
I’m a log cabin Met Fan when it comes to AA policy!
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I got
the same treatment for wondering why everyone there thought Beltran was Babe Ruth and Mother Theresa rolled into one.
You’re either on board or you’re the enemy.
Exactly. That's what the reply button is for. To say if you agree or disagree.
Except Rec’s, anything that is green we all agree with ;-).
Who am I what am I doing here
I’m good enough I’m smart enough and darngonnit people all agree with me here
I would like to follow this sites "official" position on all matters. Could you please post these positions in a prominent place?
NHL level truths
DP Sucks – his knees hurt a lot.
Grabner is faster than light – we only see him when he is slowing down.
Frans is a god – not a minor Danish deity, a real cross the board god.
Konopka was the team leader last year – they couldn’t have done it without him, except this year is different
Comeau circles the offensive zone – Funny how his name starts with a C just like COZO
Matt Moulson has relatives in the NHL -and we like to hear it at every opportunity
Its all Sims fault – deosn’t even matter if he is on the team
User Level Truths
Garik likes stats
AP77 has a very rational hatred for some players
JPinVA does plus minuses
All users are assumed to be men even when we know better – TMC, FRancesca, JW1970
Botta made me come here
Webard writes posts tjust o get more hits and rec than Dominik
The opinions here are not endorsed by me or LHH.
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by Hockey1919 on Sep 16, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
If only...
I could fit all of that in my signature… my posts would be three words tops.
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It does make for a long signature doesn't it.
NHL level truths
DP Sucks – his knees hurt a lot and his contract is long
Grabner is faster than light – we only see him when he is slowing down
Frans is a god – not a minor Danish deity, a real across the board god
Konopka was the team leader last year – they couldn’t have done it without him, except this year is different
Comeau circles the offensive zone – Funny how his name starts with a C just like COZO
Matt Coulson has relatives in the NHL -and we like to hear it at every opportunity
It is all Sims fault – doesn’t even matter if he is on the team
John Tavares wants to play for the Leafs - he signed a contract with the Islanders to make a trade easier
User Level Truths
Garik likes stats
AP77 has a very rational hatred for some players
JPinVA does plus minuses
All users are assumed to be men even when we know better – TMC, Francesca, JW1970
Botta made me come here
Webard writes posts just to get more hits and recs than Dominik.
Scapewagons are fun – until someone falls off and breaks their face
The opinions here are not endorsed by me or LHH.
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by Hockey1919 on Sep 16, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL!
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 16, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to quibble with one of your truths: Moulson? I’ve read the newspapers. His name is Coulson. The isles can’t spell and clearly neither can their fans.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Sep 16, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're a newbie if you spell TEH CORE as THE CORE, spelling counts people!
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Rec'd
like my dreams of RSH turning NVMC into a frozen Rucker Park.
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JP, Stop trying to make intelligent, well thought out points so you can appear "inciteful"
See what I did there?
by MatthewM11 on Sep 16, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you go back to that thread from your fan post re: Josh Bailey, you will see that this whole site is not “against Bailey”. I’ve said it a million times, but I hope Bailey does break out. My issue has always been with fans claiming the team “ruined him” by rushing him to the NHL. It’s speculation and we don’t know what would of happened had the team sent him back to Windsor. In the past ive actually been a defender of Bailey on LHH, but last season frustrated me and I have tempered my expectations. But from the very beginning I’ve been vocal about defending the team’s decision to sign Bailey right away, not because I know it was the right decision but because we don’t know either way. It’s magical thinking to suggest that had we waited and been patient Bailey would be this 60 point two-way second line center. I just don’t think he is so fragile that being rushed destroyed his confidence. If that is the case, that’s pretty sad that Bailey is that weak.
Evolution
In the past ive actually been a defender of Bailey on LHH, but last season frustrated me
That’s another good point — so many of us have opinions that evolve over time, so we’re not always in the same place we were three months ago.
For example, I once thought Frans was part of a trinity.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Put me in the pro-Bailey camp as well.
As I’ve stated before, Bailey like Comeau are the results of seeing the sausage being made. Never appetizing, but the end result is what counts. Bailey is still young and this is the season we would have been exposed to him under normal circumstances. I almost looks at him like a rookie with 3-years experience.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
I was pro-Windsor...
but you are exactly right. It’s just conjecture after he signs on the dotted line. What pissed me off the most was after 6 games last year Gordon stated, “It’s obvious we’ve done all the right things with him[Bailey]”… how could somebody so close to the situation be SO WRONG. That just said, I really coached the shit out of him, ain’t WE GREAT.
Well… now he can coach the shit out of that boiling over Toronto squad.
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Nothing like a weak NHL hockey player...
Weak like a millionaire…
It seems this whole site is against Bailey. They consider him a bust.
Im not against him, I was just against him making big money. Fortunately that did not happen! :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 16, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
H8R.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
I own a Bailey jersey
Which to me seems natural as an Isles fan, seeming as he teases his talent on occasions and then disappears for long stretches.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
Not me
I think he can be Kesler
No Sleep 'til....
H8R x 2.
Wait Kessler or Kessel? Sometimes my spelling is so bad, I can’t even read what other people write correctly.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Kesler
Get the two way game down on the third line and get better offensively. I don’t think he can get 41 goals in a season but a 25-50-75 season (at some point) like Kesler had the year before I could see happening with hard work and a decent, stable line.
No Sleep 'til....
I got what you meant, I was just tring to call everyone that didn't glorify Bailey a H8R.
I did however, read it at first as Kessel and thought you were being sarcastic, but then read it again and relaized Kesler wouldn’t be a bad career path for Bailey to follow.
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I'm not "against Bailey"...
I’m just sick of looking at box scores and seeing a guy who was supposed to be a scoring forward with a goose egg in the SOG column.
Can’t score if you don’t shoot. If you’re a scoring forward and you’re not scoring, you’re just a checking line center without the checking.
If he wants to get out of everybody’s doghouse, it’s really simple: SHOOT THE DAMN PUCK!
I want to see the kid succeed, but the only way he’s going to succeed is by doing his damn job.
For me, he’s not a bust, he’s the most frustrating guy on the roster.
Jeff Carter to Columbus? Wait, I've seen this one before, it was called Shanahan to Hartford. Advice? Don't buy a Carter jersey.
by BrassBonanza10 on Sep 17, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's to hope Bailey finally gets it. I hope he knows it, because if he doesn't already know he's on the chopping block, we could be in for a long season.
The talent is there for him to do well, but he could be a dud. I’m wishing for the best.
If I had to compare....
Bailey’s future career to a current NHL’er, the guy who jumps out at me most is Patrice Bergeron (and he just won a cup). They seem to have very similar playing style and abilities. I’m pretty sure nobody would mind that. He’s still not even 22 yrs old yet and should only have 2 seasons tops under his belt right now. Perhaps the Islanders are the ones who set expectations so high for Josh. If you remember, he wasnt supposed to be drafted until somewhere close to the 15th spot. Like we’ve all read a million times. Josh is a character guy/kid. If given the chance he will figure it out. Cant wait for the season!
Not a bad comparison...
…for Bailey’s likely ceiling.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 16, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
for me, I always compare Bailey's projection to Wayne Merrick...seems to fit best...
will Bailey ever score 20 plus goals? I have no doubts at all he will a few times, won’t do it every year…thing is, knowing JT and Strome will be top two centres, a goal scorer and a playmaker like that will also spend time on same line, probably with Moulson and in later years Nino. This means Isles will need a centre who can step into second line duty, but be veratile enough to also play wing and third line centre at times…in other words, Bailey could still very well have a role in the core, but I am leaning more towards Brock Nelson, and (Lee moving to left wing). Plus, there are still Ulstrom and Cizikas. In 2012-13, Strome, Niederreter, Kabanov and Cizikas will all probably be NHL ready, maybe Ullstrom too…that means there will be some forwards not back after this season, and some growing pains with all the youth coming in, but oh boy, what a group of youth!!!
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 16, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
behind blueline...2012-13
De haan, Wishart, Klementyev and Poulin may all be NHL ready, and maybe even Nilsson.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the Wayne Merrick comparision
I’ve heard you say this before, and I think it’s a fitting comparision. I also find your optimism regarding our young talent refreshing, with all the back and forth lately re: Bailey I think that what sometimes gets lost is how exciting this young group of players is. Having one struggling, frustrating young player not living up to his potential but still contributing at the NHL level among a team of young players is not too shabby.
thanks Mathew, and I agree
love watching Strome dangle, and Nino go to the net and score, but they too will have growing pains in NHL…we have to know, be prepared and patient. And remember Grabner…25 is the average prime age of NHL players, not 18-21.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Sep 16, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Bailey
will only be 22 in 16 days, and has shown so much class for such in his young, regardless how his nhl career pans out, i’m glad he got a 2 year deal here vs a 1 year deal, it gives me more time to pull for him to put if all together at this level
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I'm glad he signed
What’s been so frustrating about Bailey is that we’ve seen flashes of brilliance. I am still optimistic that he can make big strides this coming season on find his place and role on this team
Great signing by Snow!
Bailey was rushed but he has shown captain material and potential for TEH CHAMPIONSHIP PEDIGREE, including HEART OF TEH WARRIOR.
Hire Garth Snow!!
by AP77 on Sep 16, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
It's an AP77 funhouse mirror!
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Sep 16, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What I don't get
Is that on one hand Bailey is called a “character player” who was drafted for his “heart” and leadership, yet on the other hand those same fans say his confidence was destroyed by being rushed. A “leader” or “character player” is not the type of fragile pysche you would think would be trampled by being brought up to soon or missing the WJC
Personally I don’t buy into those sports cliches about character and heart and passion etc too much, but I find it ironic that Bailey is seen as both a tough character guy and a sensitive, fragile kid who was put in over his head
by MatthewM11 on Sep 16, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Worked for Dylan
on 90210
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 16, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
So Josh Bailey just needs some Sideburns to improve his game?
by Les Beaver on Sep 16, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And a Porsche
which he clearly can’t afford now. #joshbaileyproblems
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You're right, and now I feel like an idiot for discounting the sensitive tough-guy archetype
Dylan from 90210. Stringer Bell. Tony Soprano. Josh Bailey. Luke Skywalker. Alexei Karamozov (sounds like a hockey player) Pretty much every cool character from film, literature and TV and Josh Bailey. They should make a movie about Bailey where he’s a hockey player by day and Nazi fighting superhero by night but the pain of being rushed to the NHL too early is only relieved by hookers and heroin. That’s a sensitive tough-guy!
by MatthewM11 on Sep 16, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wouldn't that description make Bailey essentially Wolverine?
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It may be different camps
I don’t know. My camp, I still bet Bailey’s a solid character who will be a grounded guy “in the room” and all that, but I also think he’s just young and still understanding his abilities, his place, his potential. Not destroyed confidence (although now that I read that, I can see where it’s a sliding scale from one point to the other).
The usual caveat that I have no real idea about who’s got “character” and [cliche of the moment] all that applies here.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Dont think the issue is character.....
….here. Atleast as i saw it, it was more of an issue of him being confused as to what the coaching staff wanted of him. Maybe even the coaching staff was confused as to what they wanted from him. I sure as hell couldnt figure it out. He was drafted to be a playmaking center. Then we heard a lot of…“he needs to shoot more”. Next he’s playing the wing in favor of putting Rob Schremp in the middle. He was a kid who hadnt hit his stride yet and was asked to do things out of his comfort zone. He never was a goal scorer and as far as i know had never been a winger. To me, his character showed as you never heard a peep out of Bailey through all of this. I still believe he is a character kid.
by LaFontaine16 on Sep 17, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this is a good point
I always thought too much was made of Bailey being rushed but this explanation makes more sense than “his confidence was crushed” The kid needs to given more credit than that. The truth of the matter is that the NHL is hard, and sometimes talent and character isn’t enough. But I still have faith he will find his stride
8/100 is pretty damn good!
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What happened to the USA Juniors Goalie that won the Gold?
He was a Ranger prospect, I think, and everyone was all high on him for, like, 2 weeks. Haven’t heard of him since. Lee, maybe?
Yes, Campbell.
Maybe he’s not a prospect anymore? I dunno. But he was going to save USA Hockey, and then he, well…wasn’t I guess.
Apparently he had a bad OHL season but the Stars still love him
Why they drafted him so high, I do not know. It’s as if every team has to go through this.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
he played vs US last year
if my beer swilling hasn’t soaked up all my brain cells
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Don't know, ut he's not a fan of goalies as prospects in general
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true
His thing is always that they’re too volatile and difficult to predict. Makes sense, if for no other reason than math: you’ve got ten times as many skaters as goalies in the league. It makes it easier for a kid who might not be as good as advertised to hang around and still be productive.
Think of Bailey and Montoya as parallel cases. Maybe Bails slips a bit – he’s not one of the 100 best players in the league but he’s good enough to hold a regular role, get through maybe a slower learning curve, and suddenly be productive. A goalie like Montoya HAS to be one of the 100 best at his position, however, or he doesn’t sniff the NHL. A guy who gets off to a rough start but has the skill to make it might never get that second chance. A guy who has the best 35 games of his life right at the beginning gets shot after shot, however. (Steve Mason, please pick up the white courtesy phone…)
Just for that reason alone, it makes sense not to rank goalies in the same prospect pool. I mean, we’ve been hearing about Jacob Markstrom for years over in Florida, right? And Crawford took forever to finally get his shot, and Schneider in Vancouver. Meanwhile, a relative unknown like Reimer or Niemi or Bobrovsky becomes the flavor of the month… and may just as easily be outsville right after that. Too many flashes in the pan to really predict who goes on to be Patrick Roy and who goes on to be Jon Casey or Blaine Lacher.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Blaine Lacher!
Now that’s what I call a flourish of a finish.
And hear hear. I was thinking about how tough injuries are for Katic and Rhett because they might not get many opportunities to grab NHL jobs so every training camp counts. But next to goalies, those guys are in the land of opportunity. That’s why Montoya is such an intriguing case to me, one who will be even more intriguing if he actually keeps up NHL-quality play after some poor AHL numbers.
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Exactly this
Worst case scenario for a lot of these guys is they learn to fight, become defensively responsible and talk shit and they make the 3rd/4th line.
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Boy does he like Kabanov
So we’ve got:
Strome
Kabanov
Nino
de Haan
Mayfield (59)
Petrov
Donovan
Lee
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I'm happy Petrov is still up there
despite not hearing too much about him recently.
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of that list
i’m finding scotty mayfield’s tweets the most entertaining… but i dont know if Kirill is on twitter yet to be fair
These comments crawl up from the depths of the deepest Chasm of Saar
Kabanov was
but canceled his account after some people complained that his “I’m on Long Island and bored” tweet was equivalent to him calling the entire island a shithole.
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Spanish for "The Nino"
Surprised he’s so far down…not that I know all that much about the other players. His Hawk teammate Ryan Johansen, who was taken 1 spot ahead of him, is at #3.
Lombardi on Doughty (You thought Wang's policy was tough???)
Question: Meaning the offer gets reduced by however many days he’s not here?
LOMBARDI: "Well, as we talked about before, there has to be some finality, in terms of when the players are supposed to report. It’s no different, I think, than what the other teams have done. It’s, `OK, now we have to regroup here and see what evolves,’ and then I have to go back to ownership. It’s no different than anything else. You do this based on 275 days of work, and now it’s down to 274."
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Wow.
Now that’s acrimony. I must say, the Wang Doctrine looks quite clean in comparison.
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In essence don't you "lose" money for every game not played?
If you miss half the season and sign for $5 million a year, you only get $2.5 million am I right? So yes, if you don’t show up, you wind up getting paid les whether it is reflected in the contract value or not..
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That's a good point
I’m pretty sure you do not get paid if you don’t show up. He said a difference in this CBA is players are paid during training camp, so we’re talking at most what, one paycheck he’d be “getting away with” if he signed five days from now?
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I thought Doughty was holding out because he really wants to play on Long Island.
If he signs with the Kings it is OBVIOUSLY to faciliate a trade to the Islanders. We gotta start thinkin like we are the Centre of the Hockey Universe.
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by Hockey1919 on Sep 16, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doughty OWES IT to Long Island to want to come here and win...
He’s young. He still wants to be around people he likes in an organization that treats him well. He’ll grow up and learn what he really wants. Then he’ll come here.
who wouldn't want to turn around a franchise that hasn't won in a while?????????
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That is gonna get Doughty traded. That is a stupid stupid idea.
I like the sit out a year thing Wang has. This idea of lowering the contract is stupid, count Doughty as good as traded.
If Bailey performs
somewhatwell, $1.05 million is a huge bargain, especially at the trade deadline. Garth Snow is no Milbury, this rebuild is the real deal.
Stape News in case you/I missed it
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#Isles Ds Mark Eaton, Mike Mottau and Mark Streit all pass physicals and go from IR to active roster.
2 hours ago
Arthur Staple
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#Isles current camp roster at 50 for today’s off-ice testing. May still add one more D on a tryout — Steve Staios strongest possibility.
6 hours ago
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If Mottau and Eaton passed the physical
theyve obviously reduced the test to 5 squat thrusts, 10 jumping jacks, 5 leaps over the boards into the bench, and 1 long painful walk back to the locker room.
I just scored another Tuscan Dairy goal!
by Chris McNally on Sep 16, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Which.....
they probably could not complete.
May have missed some comments above.....
Not neccesarily my point of view, but any chance Bailey’s modest contract could attract a team with a D to trade?
It definitely makes him more tradeable.
Even bad 3rd liners make $1mil/yr. Good 4th liners make that. He’s a bargain given his potential.
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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.
The victory justified the faith in coach Al Arbour who guided them from their second season to their first Stanley Cup seven seasons later. The Islanders would not be the first expansion team to win the Stanley Cup, but they would be the only one capable of a dynasty.
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May 21, 1981: This time it was much easier. After falling to "only" 91 points in the 1979-80 season, the Islanders returned to their division title tradition, piling up 110 points -- a whole 13 points over second-place Philadelphia.
Between the quarterfinals (where they beat the upstart Oilers in six games) and the finals, the Islanders reeled off eight consecutive wins -- with a four-game sweep of archrival Rangers in between. As they defeated the Minnesota North Stars in five games for their second Cup, their goal difference in the final was a combined +10.
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May 16, 1982: Another year, another landslide title. The Islanders won the Patrick Division by a whopping 26 points over the second-place Rangers, and were seven points clear of their nearest competition for the President's Trophy, the still-not-quite-ripe Edmonton Oilers.
A first-round scare against the Pittsburgh Penguins turned in the Isles' favor thanks to John Tonelli's heroics, and a true dynasty was on its way: Past the Rangers in six games, then an eight-game sweep of the Quebec Nordiques and Vancouver Canucks to run away with the Stanley Cup.
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May 17, 1983: Not so fast, whipper-snappers. The Edmonton Oilers' steadily rising challenge for league supremacy took them all the way to the finals for the first time, where the New York Islanders summarily dispatched them in a four-game sweep. For the Islanders, the Dynasty was secured. For the Oilers, it was a powerful lesson in where talent ends and the demands of playoff hockey begin.
Four years, four Cups, 16 consecutive playoff series wins (a record that would grow to 19 until the rematch with the Oilers the following year). Mike Bossy scored 60 goals yet again, and Wayne Gretzky became acquainted with Billy Smith's crease.
