Islanders Bits: Tavares News and the Bailey Wait
by Dominik on Sep 15, 2011 10:24 AM EDT
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PrintAs mentioned in the last two posts, the press conference officially announcing John Tavares' new deal is today at 1 p.m. EDT.
It will stream live at the official site, where the two recent rookie games with the Bruins are also now available on archive to keep you occupied
Linked the following post from Puck Daddy yesterday, but it really is a good read. Extensive thoughts from Tavares -- from last week -- about why he likes Long Island, the team, management, and how he's raised expectations this year:
"[Long Island is] a beautiful place to live. It's a fantastic … It's New York. We're a half an hour from New York City. So much to do. Obviously the food's the best part about New York, because everyone doesn't like to cook so much. They like to go out to eat. And then we get treated great in our organization. Charles and Garth have done a great job in creating a great atmosphere for us. We're treated really well. Guys come here, they enjoy playing here"
More Tavares reaction coverage, plus other hockey news, below. Since the presser will be streamed, I won't be live-blogging comments. But I'll take notes if anything of importance emerges.
Here's the Post on the $33 million deal. And here's Newsday. ESPN here. Here's the usual "better get some help" piece. Marek: "Tavares is that guy."
NYI Blogs Corverage: NYIFYI | Eyes on the Isles | Okposo Net on Tavares and rookies to watch | 7th Woman with that great photo booth shot of Tavares and Michael Grabner.
Meanwhile:
- Proving nobody beats the Wiz, you know who else signed for 6/$33 million this summer?
- So Tavares is done. Who's next? Josh Bailey's agent tells Arthur Staple they're still needing to find some common ground. Hmm. Meanwhile, Katie Strang reports Garth Snow told her the deadline for Bailey to sign is tomorrow morning at 7 a.m. (vets are due in camp tomorrow).
- So Tavares is signed. Which team will play in Quebec in two years?
- Phil Kessel is grateful for "face time" with the Flyers. He agreed to an ELC with them yesterday, and apparently they're right at the 50-contract limit.
- Hockey This Week show at the Coliseum?
- Baltimore developer eyeing the Coliseum?
- FanPost: Is it standings prediction time? Apparently it's standings prediction time. Everybody having their say here.
- ...and now time for the top 300 projected scorers. [TSN]
- With Tavares inked, Jewels from the Crown faithful ask what, on earth, is up with Drew Doughty.
- The CBJ are trying to arrange a deal that would keep them in Columbus until 2039.
- Clearing up just what's going on with the Dallas Stars bankruptcy.
- Wayback Machine: When NHLers opposed mandatory helmet rule. [leafsnation]
- EA NHL history fun: Japanese-inspired?
- NHL will be implementing a social media policy, including a "blackout" before and during games. Original source here.
- Arctic Ice (formerly Behind the Net): Can you win with the worst offense in hockey?
Enjoy the press conference if you get the chance to see it. (What's that boss? Nah, I'm busy.)
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Great stuff
in the Marek piece.
On CDH:
I was at a game in Oshawa where de Haan rushed the puck from his own goal line, through both London Knights defenders and forced a clear breakaway. Oh did I mention it was while the defenseman was killing a penalty?! And did I mention it was a 5-on-3 penalty kill?
On Nino:
Also, he can play with a nasty streak, which fits the identity of this Islanders squad perfectly.
I hope the other 29 teams share the sentiment that we can play mean. I don’t think we’re there, but if they want to believe it that would be just fine with me.
by afrosupreme on Sep 15, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
On playing mean
Hopefully the epic Pittsburgh game last year went a long way towards destroying the stereotype that team is soft
Nino the Nasty
You know, I obviously haven’t seen a whole lot of Nino, and some reasonably question the use of “power” forward to describe him. But the bits I’ve seen have shown a feisty streak. Not just the competitive fire from his life-changing WJC, but the way he reacts to being physically challenged around the net.
If he grows into his frame and throws it around when poked…look out.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Strang tweet
Really, they are going to force Bailey to sit a season if he doesn’t sign? If you want to play hardball, for him to hold out for however long, but don’t sit there and threaten a season. That’s just dumb. Forces your hand to trade him, and lowers his value even further since teams know you have to move him.
Thing is thety don't have to move him
The kid is 21. He’ll still be Islanders property. If he wants to hold out let him go play a season in Europe. They did it to Sean Bergenheim and while he didn’t come back an all-star, he definitely came back a different player. Maybe being selfish with this contract might be the best thing for Bailey in the long run.
I just scored another Tuscan Dairy goal!
by Chris McNally on Sep 15, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you may be right
Bailey did get a tough deal b/c he definitrely should have played a year extra of juniors.
now the isles are stock piled at forward with young talent and bailey has nothing about his status on the team that is set in stone.
We dont even know what position he plays for this team right now.
One Positive: He has been skating with the team so perhaps he still is confident a deal will be done and showing he likes it with the Isles
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I think if he doesn’t get this deal maybe he realizes he’s not owed anything in the NHL. Maybe it makes him hungrier. You can only hope.
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by Chris McNally on Sep 15, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
there was a lot of good that came out of Josh last year
He’s above the AHL (proved that in 10 games or so there last year).
He can bring much of whjat Frans brings to the ice and was great on PK and other situations for the isles last season.
Hes kinda my favorite Islander in a way
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"Past performance Is Not A Guarantee For Future Results"
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I don' think
a year in Europe would really serve either the Isles or Bailey very much. They need to find out if he’s an NHL player, and they can’t do that if he’s in Europe.
by afrosupreme on Sep 15, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
They cant do that if hes holding out either
I just scored another Tuscan Dairy goal!
by Chris McNally on Sep 15, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
but I don’t think he would hold out very long. He doesn’t want to be sitting around not playing hockey.
by afrosupreme on Sep 15, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
but if they hold to their previous rule
Then any holdout will be, by definition, enforced for the entire season. Europe would be his only option. I could see him playing Elitserien and doing very well. I’d rather see him playing well in the NHL, however.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I don't know
I don’t get why he’d hold out at all if not for very long. He has no leverage. His agent apparently thinks he does or is trying to squeeze what he can.
I still think his only leverage honestly is the hope that the Isles fear a PR hit if they make him sit a year. And the Isles don’t seem to fear PR hits.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
They dont have to trade him if no sign
They didnt have to trade Bergie when they did this with him.
I think Charles’ rules regarding this are fair and clear.
I will admit that now i think Josh was perhaps not happy with the Isles drafting Strome.
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I really think
Bailey is more important to this team than Bergy was to that team. The longer this drags on the more I feel he’ll just be with another organization this year.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
now it looks bad I admit
I think the Strome draft probably hit home for Josh and his agent.
Bailey had a lot of good hockey in hiom last year. I hope thios works out. we need him for PK and his end to end responsible play
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Could be
But the thing is, can he or his agent really be anything other than motivated by the Strome draft?
- Strome might play wing
- Strome is a clear offensive talent, which is what they pick at that spot
- Strome probably won’t be here this year, and Nielsen is a pending UFA
- The world needs ditch-diggers, too
I think anyone who gets to worked up about who their team drafts — with the exception maybe of a goalie — is taking their eye off the ball.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I'd love to see where the gap is...
The islanders have a minimum they have to offer him… and he really doesn’t have much of an argument. He has spent his WHOLE ELC in the NHL sans a few games last season.
Yes, it was a mistake to have him there development wise, but he prospered financially… the only thing I could see them haggling over would be the two way aspect of the contract. But with his waiver situation, unless he regressed even further, I can’t see the Islanders throwing him on the wire to get him to the AHL.
This is completely illogical.
And I really don’t like the idea of him going to Europe for a year, unless their intentions are to keep Strome around and extend Frans… and their is no deal available like Bogosian…
I guess it will all come out someday.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
Yea
It just doesn’t make much sense. I’m guessing with a couple of the other contracts, he wants a bump above minimum, which is poor on his part. But in my opinion it would be poorer on the Islanders part to lose a season of development over a couple 100K.
by afrosupreme on Sep 15, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Charles has been very clear on his policy
Bailey is aware. A 1 year deal would benefit all involved.
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It's great
he’s clear on the policy, but it doesn’t make it a good one. Might be time to rethink it.
by afrosupreme on Sep 15, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think there is merit to it
100% hockey starting tomorrow. It is one time where Charles can remind that he is the BOSS.
If nothing else I think the players like it on LI largley because Charles Wang ha sproved to be a man of his word.
If he rescinds on these type policies he can risk losing that valuable asset he has an owner
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I agree...
I don’t like it, but it is clear and consistent… hopefully
If it is a fair offer and Bailey’s agent won’t take it… he loses, because they will be at the same table with the same data next year… unless he goes to europe and puts up a point and a half per game.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
I like that the policy puts everyone on the same page.
However, it really doesn’t huh? I mean there are always a couple players on a tryout-basis with the Isles in preseason. Why can’t Josh be one of those? Is it because his last contract was with the Isles?
But I do like a policy that helps avoid distractions for the team.
And another thing. I assume the agent knows about the policy. Wouldn’t it be in his best interest for Josh to take “a couple 100k less” rather than nothing at all?
I have a feeling a 1 year deal will be worked out tomorrow.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 15, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you answered your own question...
THE CYCLE
Season Ends
Aquire new talent
Re-sign established roster
CAMP > Fill holes if necessary
The policy removes question marks about where they stand going into camp. Bailey’s agent has had two + months to negotiate a contract. he is either an asset or a hole. Anything in the middle would be an A-hole… so Wang is just trying to eliminate the A-holes.
Josh has proven that he is anything but an a-hole… so my finger is pointing directly to his agent. I have a feeling they missed on bogosian, because they had a pretty good support system with Reasoner, Haley and Ullstrom…. and now they’re in a tight spot because Strome will almost definitely be in the mix… and if Lee and/or Nelson progresses past teh amateur status… Josh will need to become a BIG FISH real fast.
I still feel he should sign the one year deal, and if something special comes along at the deadline he may put himself in a much better situation than going to europe and sitting at the table with even less leverage next year.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
by JPinVA on Sep 15, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We need some kind of "Only from the Mind of JP" logo
he is either an asset or a hole. Anything in the middle would be an A-hole
Like a mix of the More You Know logo with a Minolta tagline.
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True...
I thought signing him to a 1 year deal slightly above the min raise would have worked for both sides. It would give Josh a year to better positon himself for a long term deal. Plus, they started him and Kyle at the same time, but Kyle got two years before they started the clock on his ELC. Those were two years he wasn’t making any money… or very little money in the AHL. Josh has already capped his earning potential, and if he’s looking for Kyle type money this year he needs to stop shaking that tree.
I just hope they are offering somewhere in the $1.2 range for 1 year… or as much as 4yrs with a ~$2M cap hit extended over the four years… 1.2, 1.8, 2.0 and 2.2… $7.2 over 4yrs
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
The Islanders have announced that today's announcement is to announce that
John Tavares is Matt Moulson’s other brother-in-law.
I know I shouldn’t be, but I’m surprised there is still this much vitriol and apathy and sour grapes toward the Islanders by media big, small and minuscule. What don’t people understand about the word “rebuild?” Were they supposed to go from mediocre and with no prospects to a Cup in six months? Is every team in every sport supposed to be the ’99 St. Louis Rams?
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
by PGI on Sep 15, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
We are united. We are all… Matt Moulson’s in-laws.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Sep 15, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Weirdly enough, they put a Blake story on Phil's player page
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
Did they do the Kessel run
in less than twelve parsecs?
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
by PGI on Sep 15, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that would be appropriate
Phil does shoot first.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Ack, yes
Thanks, David. Rushing.
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Puck Prospectus released a preview of their Islander Chapter in their annual today.
http://puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1070
Make sure to check out the PDF embedded in the article.
This isn’t the full essay on the Isles and it’s not the full projections of each Isle either, but it shows a glimpse of the good stuff Hockey/Puck Prospectus offers.
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It's funny reading the goalies' GP estimates
25.5 GP for Montoya and 20 for Poulin. That leaves 36.5 games to split between Nabokov and DiPietro. Shows how evenly matched Isles goalies are heading into the season. (It’s likely one will start at least 40 games, I think, but no one knows which one… This makes it especially interesting for fantasy drafts. Even though I think Isles will get solid goaltending (perhaps a little biased there), I won’t touch an Isles goalie until 30-35 have already been taken. (Then maybe I take a stab at Montoya and keep an eye on Poulin and Nabokov during the season.)
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 15, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
25-point-5?
Is Puck Prospectus actually pr*j*ct*ng that Montoya is going to be yanked mid-game sometime? Or worse, get injured?
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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Projection systems don't round. Also, empty net situations aren't counted as full games.
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Konopka's goal total is pegged at 1.6
That made me chuckle.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Of note, the projection system's greatest failing atm is figuing out how to project games played.
VUKOTA doesn’t project anyone ever to play a full season (It basically tops out at 75), since it assumes a full season will involve some minor injuries or other things.
With multiple goalies, its’ also a problem – I don’t think it’s figuring out that only one goalie can play at a time —> it’s looking back at comparable players to the goalies the Isles’ have who played in the past and then comparing games played to those players.
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So in other words
…the goalies’ GP should add up to 82, right?
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 15, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't.
Of note it’s projecting 10 games for Poulin, not 20.
There are several caveats here: What I said above, which leads to odd things like the fact that VUKOTA will be projecting Mikko to play more games than Poulin.
And Two, the system isn’t set up to project the #s of players who miss an entire year of play. As a result, VUKOTA draws a blank on Nabakov.
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No Yashin at training camp
Arthur Staple
Alexei Yashin says he’s most likely not going to training camp with #Isles. Doesn’t have anything in mind yet for the upcoming season.
Katie Strang
Alexei Yashin said he doesn’t plan on attending training camp with #Isles
It's amazing how da mediar chase this tail year after year
But I guess it grabs attention.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Congrats to JT
He’s earned…since he was drafted the perception of the Islanders has noticeably changed each year…and he is their core player and face of the franchise.
As for Bailey – I agree w/ the poster that said he was a favorite. I really want to see him succeed, just because he was put in such a bad position as a rookie. And because he’s been very classy from the get go as well. Good folks deserve good things, and he ain’t no Kirk Muller…thus I understand him trying for whatever it is that they need to find common ground on.
Very excited by this news today, btw.
Cheers.
Saying out loud what leafs fans are thinking
List to this link at 2:40 or so http://www.fan590.com/media.jsp?content=20110915_094039_11604. Simply breathtaking.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 15, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
Doesn't work for me. Are you in Canada?
Are they saying that Tavares is speaking in code. Obviously reading a prepared statement about how much he loves Long Island and the Islanders. Most likely has a gun to his head. You can tell by the way he pronounces certain words, like “Eye-lun-duhz,” and “New Yawk”. No one speaks like that. He’s trying to tell us something: that he’s trapped and needs to be rescued.
He says that he can't understand why JT wouldn't want to sign in toronto
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Sep 15, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Are these guys for real?
They literally only think in terms of of the Leafs and how anything in the hockey world affects them.
One asks (something like), “Why wouldn’t you want to be part of resurrecting a tradition of a franchise that has been on hard times?” What is JT doing now exactly? Rebuilding the Red Wings?
And it’s only because he’s from Toronto. Do they realize that sometimes, players play for cities other than the ones they were born in? Last time I checked, Steve Yzerman wasn’t from Detroit and Mario Lemieux wasn’t born in Pittsburgh.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
Hell, Gretzky's from Brantford (within an hour or two of TO) and he did nothing but shatter Leafs dreams.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
"Myopic" does not begin to describe...
What jackasses.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
That's some jilted lover shit right there.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom?" ~ Death
AND it was his opening question!
I mean, really, guys. I know you’re on sports talk radio, but can you at least pretend to be adults for a second?
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
It seems JT's heard it, too
So says The Strang I was hoping his reaction was more along the lines of, “those guys are assholes.”
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
JT and recent Islander stats
The last player to get 40 goals for the Isles was Blake in 06-07
the lastplayer to get 40 assists was yashin with 43 in 01-02
and Yashin (32/43/75 in 01-02) and Czerkawski (35/35/70 in 99-00) are the only Isles since 2000 to get 70 points
JT with 67 is 4th best on the team since 2000 with Blake at 3rd (40/29/69 in 06-07)
I would love to see JT break 75 points this season, or maybe top all 40/40/80
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
by Rickfansince76 on Sep 15, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions
Wow
It’s been that long since an Islander has dished out 40 assists? That will be interesting to keep track of this season with JT, PAP (assuming 1st line), Nielsen, and Streit (assuming shoulder). Could have multiple 40a seasons.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 15, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
As I mentioned in another thread...
I’ve been thinking of going heel to face on Bailey.
But not if that clown is holding out for some kind of better deal. He has to realize he has zero leverage and that is because he has not been a good player. Otherwise he has an inflated sense of himself.
wait wait wait
“So John Tavares Isn’t Desperate To Play For The Leafs?”
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/09/14/so-john-tavares-isnt-desperate-to-play-for-the-leafs/
by Isles2011 on Sep 15, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
No, no
He is… he just doesn’t know it yet. Why else would he say such absurd things?
The questions are inexplicably cut, but the answers are clear (btw. I think the second question was are you a Leafs fan?)
I should have read the caption
“NHL Stars John Tavares, Steven Stamkos and Jason Spezza comment on their experiences at the NHL Draft, if they’d like to play for the Leafs in the future and who they like to take home the Cup.”
With Strome's play recently..
I’ve been hearing some rumblings he may actually make the team. Anyone else hearing this? Think it’s an actual possibility?
I’m still a fan of juniors for AT LEAST another season. He’s a kid, let him dominate again.
Doubtful, would have to have a really strong camp
And it’s too early that any decision has been made yet
Another Isles bit from the Marik article...
This day in Hockey (Isles) History
1966: Mick Vukota born in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Vukota played from 1987-98 with the Islanders, Bolts and Habs. He fought. A lot.
1972: The New York Islanders opened their first ever training camp in Peterborough. GM Bill Torrey invited around 90 players to camp but cut two before they even stepped on the ice. One, because he a) had a Mohawk hairstyle and b) got hammered in the Holiday Inn hotel bar where the team was staying the night before camp opened, the other was sent packing because he wouldn’t send his wife home who had become, let’s say a ‘distraction’ for some of the other players.
Pretty good stuff here…
by Isle in Topanga on Sep 15, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wondering if the Bailey sticking point is a two-way deal?
Maybe he won’t accept that, and that’s what SnowWang is offering. Bailey needs to sign for a year and prove he’s not another Jeff Tambellini who,btw, is now playing in Switzerland.
Again congrats to JT and SnowWang for getting this done. Now we can give Doughty or Schenn an offer sheet
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
We don't need no water let Nassau County burn
Burn motherf******s burn
Some thoughts on the other $33M man
Can James Wisniewski be worth THAT much? Possibly
What did we see? We saw a guy who wasn’t as tough as advertised, who wasn’t very good at 5-on-5 hockey… at least as a first pair guy, and we saw somebody who needed more support around him to succeed.
What did he become with MON that would give anybody any indication that he would be anything more than he was with the Islanders?
Well… I think I might change my opinion of JW a little, and yes I think he could be worth that kind of money (~$5M/YR)
We are starting to see a premium on 4th forward type defenseman who can QB a PP. The Islanders efforts came up blank and I think they might have spent that much this year on JW if it hadn’t been for the pre-DEC16 JW. If he had an ANA type year or was traded directly to MON and was a free agent he might be an Islander right now.
Once cappy turned the team around, Wisniewski seemed to get his game on track. I don’t remember him in that period, but his numbers seem to illustrate that he was contributing on a consistent basis before the trade.
And if he was an Islander in 2011-12 he’d have been afforded the luxury of being in Mark Streit’s shadow… and a support player should MS go down. He’d have a better and deeper supporting cast as well. Through 2011-12 he’d probably have gotten to play with the better LH defensemen 5-on-5… Streit, MacDonald and Eaton.
The gesture probably didn’t win him over with Mr. Wang, and you’d have to believe that there were some issues with Gordon, but mostly I’d guess that it was really bad timing for JW in NY. I hope he does well as BJ… well better than implying somebody else gives them.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
It's possible
But I wouldn’t take him over (healthy) Streit, AMac, or Hamonic even for ‘11-’12 alone. And I don’t think Isles have three $5.5 million defensemen right now.
It’s possible Wisniewski is worth that much, but in my opinion more possible that:
A) Josh signs and puts up 50+ points this season
B) JT scores 40+ goals this season
C) Okposo puts up 65+ points this season
And I’m not holding my breath for any of those to happen.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 15, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
3 x $5.5M?
I’m not sure what that was supposed to mean, but they definitely were prepared to spend a good sum of money on a top four defender. Five of their projected top six missed considerable amounts of time due to injury. The sixth guy might benefit from a lessening of his responsibilities. The group behind them should be given ample time to develop.
I think we were all on board with the search for a veteran top 4 defenseman… and JW – (the first 25 games as an Islander) may have fit that bill nicely.
He obviously is worht that much to the CBJ’s. Whether he can earn that much will always be arbitrary… that’s just how sports go.
Josh signing is becomming less and less a reality… very sad.
The other two things are highly possible.
Who cares... John Tavares is here until 2017-18!!!
I misread
Took the $33M and divided it by 6.
My point was that I’m glad Isles aren’t paying JW $5.5 million for an extended number of seasons. He may prove he’s worth that much with the Blue Jackets, but I would bet against that.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 15, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
as a matter of fact
the three you mentioned total about $5.5M (Steit-$4.1M, Hamonic-$875K and Amac-$550K)
The point being that their budget If they stay around $50M should be around $10M for their defense.
They are filling out their forward budget nicely with the deals to JT, KO, MM and Grabs. Next year it will be Frans at the troth.
DP eats up a good portion of the G budget just lingering in the hot tub. Eventually Amac and hamonic will get them closer to a cap stretched team, but even then there would be room for an extended $5M contract over the next 4-5 years. dehaan and donovan start their ELC’s this year and only Katic has an opportunity to cash in next year… and that opp may have been dislocated with his shoulder.
So… training camp may be about making a deal for a defenseman… even though it looks like we’ll need one less and less if everybody stays… well you know… unpr*j*ct*d.
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last minute deals happen all the time
Josh signing is becomming less and less a reality… very sad.
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by bob l on Sep 15, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
When looking at the options availing themselves...
it might be more likely that a deal is made to ship him.. or his rights.
I’d much rather have Josh manning the 2B C spot behind Frans, than reasoner, cizikas or strome this year… next year… who knows. But I’m not sure I’d retain that position if the option was having another stud, long term, on the blue line.
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last minute deals happen all the time
Yup, its true.
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 15, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
ask a silly question
What did he become with MON that would give anybody any indication that he would be anything more than he was with the Islanders?
He became a Canadien, of course. So he’s automatically more valuable now! It’s the exchange rate, or something. Viva le bleu, blanc, et rouge!
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by mikb on Sep 15, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His numbers with Montreal were really very good. I always liked Wiz. Whether he is worth that money is a separate question.
Answer to that separate question:
No.
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by Dominik on Sep 15, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or, if you want a longer answer to that question...
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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Does anybody else find it funny that Katie Strang seems to be doing a lot more writing as an ESPN reporter than when she was the Newsday beat reporter?
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Yeah I noticed that.
Maybe she has a quota to fulfill there.
Yet another Moulson brother-in-law.
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Sep 15, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh-oh
Katie Strang
Bailey said he’s not as confident as last week—when he thought contract would be resolved quickly—but still thinks deal will get done.
three things
1 – Tavares – Nielsen – Cizikas – Reasoner
get used to it – Strome will be Moulson & JT’s linemate for the first 9 games
Bailey only has a place if there’s an injury – and so the team rightly is holding the line on his salary
he simply isn’t worth the extra money
he is likely to be traded – but only if there’s a D we want in return – we have a LOT of chips for a trade now
2 – Tavares & Toronto
why would anyone want to play for a dysfunctional team?
3 – the Wiz – may be one of the worst contracts in sports history
frankly, he sucks on defense
Ummm this is your future projections?
Because Cizikas is not starting the season on the big club, especially not as third line center. Nor is he expected to be better than Bailey.
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QUESTIONABLE
3 – the Wiz – may be one of the worst contracts in sports history
Really?
The guy is 27, so those are 6 prime years.
He was a PLUS PLAYER as a 3-4 defender with first unit PP responsibilities.
He had 51 points in 71G… and has been a consistent banger over his career. Not HUGE, but fits a good sized defenseman for the “new nhl”
I’d say that he may have been slightly overpaid in both money and term… but your comment says more about you than it does the contract.
Add to that… you have now put Cizikas in the thrid line center position at 20 after seeing him perform at ROOKIE CAMP… that’s like replacing Danny Carey with the kid whose bed didn’t stop shaking all night at BAND CAMP.
2 – Tavares & Toronto
why would anyone want to play for a dysfunctional team?
Are there no mirrors in your house? the islanders have been the undisputed champs of dysfunctioin for 15 years.
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Or flip-flop Reasoner-Cizikas
…if Cizikas is ready. Anyone else in the system who can win faceoffs and play good hockey?
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 15, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
YES
Before the reasoner deal I thought that Martin-Haley-Hunter would be a nice upgrade… Boy, has that changed.
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Oh... I was agreeing with you.
There are other options:
Ullstrom definitely emerges as a true candidate if he can against vets what he has shown against the rooks. But he would be considered a rookie, wouldn’t he… but so would Haley…
Colliton may have lost a step from Colliton 1.0, but Colliton 2.0 is a good two way hockey player… more defensive, but good… I think Colliton might be the only player in the system that can handle the dot that wouldn’t be considered a rookie.
Casey WILL BE an option at some point, and probably will get a good look this season.
Deeper in the system are Lee and Nelson.
Sundstrom will be 19 on 9/21. I don’t think SEL players have to play by CHL rules in regards to the AHL… so he might be here next year as well.
It’s an interesting lot… with a lot of interest. I bet there is some dealing done as they pile up.
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by JPinVA on Sep 15, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I misenterpreted the "Boy has that changed" line
Thanks for your insight. I pretty much agree with everything you said.
I feel a bit ashamed, but I completely forgot about Colliton. With so many young players in Bridgeport, he escaped my mind.
Depth: no reason to feel ashamed.
I was thinking of doing a snapshot comparison of the organizational depth chart 5/2008 v 9/2011… it is drastically better now. In just two months Haley went from an outstanding option as a fourth line center to being behind Reasoner, Ullstrom and Colliton… and then a new wave every year for the next three.
His best chance may be taking the spot I had pegged for Hunter… now Rolston. He’s a RH RW that brings toughness… which could be a question as we move deeper into the season. If he adds more offensive punch than he did last year (he showed potential) he could take on a bottom six RW role with more permanence.
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Anyone post this yet? Haven't looke through the whole thread
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Former #NYR D Paul Mara, D Steve Staios on #Isles short list of training-camp invitees. Should have one of them agree in time for tomorrow.
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Mara's awful, Staios merely bad.
Both should simply be used as fodder and nothing else.
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Please, Steve
Staios away.
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Seriously
can we have any Mara defensemen here?
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by Fabtraption on Sep 15, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's splitting hairs on an ugly scalp
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Josh Bailey’s agent Pat Morris is in the metropolitan NY area today and will no doubt be seeing NYI GM Garth Snow about Bailey’s contract.
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He might just be here...
to make sure he can get into manhattan before the tolls go up.
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Also, looks like SNY-IPB has video.
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