Reasons to be Excited: Michael Grabner
The Michael Grabner story has been talked about an endless amount of times around here. Entering a new season with a new contract and stability he didn't have last season, what can Grabner do? That Grabner had a bad camp and took a while to get himself going with the Islanders is clear when you break down his stats. For the months of October, November and December combined he played in 32 games and had 11 points. In January he played in 13 games and had 10 points.
From January on Grabs managed nearly a point per game to finish out the season. The Isles were 20-17 when he scored a point and 17-11 when he scored a goal. His offensive explosion was one of the key factors of the Islanders turn around after Dec. 16. The Grabs rising tide also helped raise Frans Nielsen to tie a career high of points at any level, with his previous high of 44 points coming in his first AHL season.
What Grabner can do with a full camp and preseason with the Islanders is yet another reason to be excited this year as a fan. He already was one of the players with the lowest amount of ice time to get over 20 goals, as the Islanders struggled to find a spot for him early on. More often then not in the early part of the season he was floating around 10-11 minutes of ice time a game. Let's not even get started on his low amount of PP time in comparison to other goal leaders. The one downside of Zenon Konopka leaving is the Islanders might not be shorthanded nearly as much as they were last season: Now how will Grabs and Nielsen pile up the shorthanded goals?
We don't know if the whole FnGO line will be back together again. But it would be a surprise if Grabner and Nielsen weren't back together again. It will be fun to see how they do after spending camp together and hopefully getting off on the right foot this year. This will also hopefully be a full season for Grabner, who missed 6 games mostly at the end of the year due to the birth of his first son.
Last season the questions were about whether Matt Moulson would be a one year wonder, and he proved his doubters wrong. Grabner has the same questions, but with his play being wildly different from Moulson, it's hard to see Grabner faltering. That is likely one of the reasons why Grabs was quickly signed to a 5 year deal. Along with Kyle Okposo they are both signed through 15/16, the only two skaters who currently are.
Grabner is one of the reasons I can't wait for this season to start. He was something else last year when he was on fire. Hopefully with a camp under his belt, without having to work with his 3rd coach in 5 months and with the Isles having a clear idea of what he can do, this can be another magical season. It's too bad that he didn't win the Calder, but that didn't hurt John Tavares at all and maybe it gives him a little extra fuel in the tank.
I'm also a bit excited to see if Garth Snow adds anyone from waivers again. The last two years have given us Rob Schremp Hockey and Michael Grabner. While Schremp had an okay first season before leaving for Europe, obviously Grabs was a home run. The Isles don't need another home run (although it would be nice...) but another solid NHL'er would be a nice addition.
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Well done...
The most exciting prospect is having Grabs come out of camp and hit the ground running. It doesn’t seem likely that he will rest on his laurels given his personality and reliance on fan support. It’s hard to be that popular amongst your fan base when you float.
Two things we also see similarly are:
1. I can’t imagine Cappy breaking up the pairing with Nielsen. I see some minor tinkering that will depend on Okposo/Rolston/PAP/Martin placement… but the core forward pairings should be JT+Moulson, Frans-und-Grabs, Comeau+Bailey and Reasoner+Nino. I think each one of those pairings has either historic success, or undenyable logic on their sides.
2. The lose of Zenon Konopka will affect that pair more than most.
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Agreed...almost.
I’m with you on all counts with the pairing with the exception of reasoner and nino. I agree Nino will make the big club this year but if he can earn the spot it don’t think it will be in a 4th line position. Everyone sees PA staying on the top line but I personaly hope not. I have posted this before and people see a 4th line spot for PA as a slap in the face to a 20 goal scorer. But with the TOI with JT and MM my mother would have put up 20 (to be fair she can skate like the wind). Put PA down to 4 and we have 4 exciting scoring lines and not 3 with a 4th “crashing” line.
And as I have said before, don’t under estimate rolston. Has anybody been watching the devils games on msg summer ice. This guy is everywhere getting tons of minutes in key situations. He is going to make a differene on this team this year.
by Niagara Islander77 on Sep 1, 2011 9:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We can both be right...
Time is a dimension not oft discussed here. My assumptions are based on what I see for the first few weeks of the season. Capuano has shown good line consistency in his first NHL showing. But EVERY coach will tweeak his lineup throughout a season. I see Nino getting limited time with a responsible center. This is the path they took with him last year, and you could say the same for Grabner as they were both centered by Weight and Grabner eventually wound up with Frans.
I couold definitely see Moulson-tavares-Okposo, Grabner-Nielsen-Nino, Comeau-Bailey-Rolston, Martin-Reasoner-PAP… Does that mean I think PAP is a fourth line forward… no, it means that the islandersw are growing up.
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by JPinVA on Sep 1, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
PAP
PAP playing on our fourth line is a good problem to have
by dunnowhat2type on Sep 1, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
If Nino and Rolston are at least as good as PAP this season
…I don’t have a problem with that. That means Isles have 4 lines that can play good hockey. Just make sure PAP gets some PP time. It would be a waste to have him out there 6-8 minutes a game.
But somehow I doubt Nino and Rolston will be as good as PAP— just basing that from what I’ve/we’ve heard from scouts and Devils fans.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 1, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Strength in depth, my friends.
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by Thomas Wachtel on Sep 2, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not opposed to PAP being on another line
But the reason I hold that stance is I think he’s an underrated overall player who should be able to handle NHL work even in a non-scoring role.
I buy that JT, MM and PAP work together to create complementary space for one another — but I don’t buy for a second that PAP merely benefited from being next to those two. If anything, all three of them benefited from being consistently put in the choicest offensive zone situations.
I have hopes for Rolston, but it depends on whether we get 1st-half Rolston or 2nd-half Rolston, and whether he embraces occasions of lesser roles the same way his buddy Weight did.
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here’s the top two line combos for JT in his rookie year:
18.08% EV 26 MOULSON,MATT – 21 OKPOSO,KYLE – 91 TAVARES,JOHN
13.38% EV 57 COMEAU,BLAKE – 26 MOULSON,MATT – 91 TAVARES,JOHN
Comeau finished with 17 goals, and Okposo with 19. So PAP does bring a little more to the table then your givin him credit for.
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Snap shot data...
PA ended the season as a 28 year old NHL-AHL journeyman. Both Gordon and Cappy knew they had more than most people thought with PA. His quasi-rookie experience was a little different than either Comeau or Okposo… plus, he got to play with a more “NHL” mature Moulson and Tavares.
Kyle was basically a 20 year old rookie in his first year with that trio. I expect a lot more of him going forward.
Comeau came off a season of [speculating] Nolan telling him he wasn’t playing physical enough, and going into a season of Gordon putting X’s on the ice and showing him how to generate offense with the most offensive upsided draft pick since the likes of Pat Lafontaine, Ziggy Palffy and Mike Bossy. Comeau also likes to set up his shot from the left side of the ice, so I think that dynamic would be better suited today than it was in the days of X’s and O’s. Blake Comeau doesn’t have to prove he belongs in the NHL anymore… he just has to show that he can do everything he does a little bit better.
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by JPinVA on Sep 1, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lines
Just commented something like this on an older post, but seems worthwhile to move it here.
I wonder about BC getting moved to the top line. He had a nice year last year with Bailey and whomever else. I could see him topping 30 with JT giving us the potential for a 100 goal top line. Additionally, I think PAP and Rolston could be some nice stability for Bailey on the third.
Something like:
MM-JT-BC
MG-FN-KO
PAP-JB-BR
MM-MR-NN/MH
PAP-JB-BR
This line could wind up being a pleasant surprise for Isles fans, actually.
I like the look of it.
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 1, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
What?
Reasoner is a level-headed experienced player, both PAP and Bailey have talent, WTH is wrong with that for a third line?? Or is the “OMFG” because they wont be a first line? To that I say, no shit.
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 1, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I've also thought of Cozo on the top line
Who knows? He might learn some things from JT and stop prancing around the ice. With the confidence of being on JT’s wing, he may realize what assets he has and use them more.
I like your lines except that I hope Bailey gets a net crasher a few weeks into the season (Nino, KO, Martin).
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If KO has confidence to crash the net this season
…I have much more confidence in Isles making the playoffs.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Comeau Reservatons...
MM and JT control play as what I think of as “possession” specialists. Once possession is established in the offensive zone these two do their best work. I think I’d rather see a guy like Kyle take PAP’s role. I think PAP can offer more of a transition/playmaking option to the Comeau(finisher) + Bailey(playmaker) pair. I think PAP would cut down the number of COZO’s because he’ll skate more aggressively into the offensive zone. That’s something that Bailey did tentatively last year.
Kyle is STRONG on the puck, but he really hasn’t had a full season of the Moulson-Tavares option in a more “creative” environment. This could be the line going forward… especially if Okposo offers PHYSICAL protection for the top line… that would move him from a nice prospect to a member of the Tonelli tier of the power forward club…
Then when you look at a transitional threat line who can play defense by paranoia the potential of a Grabner-Nielsen-Nino line makes me really excited… but I like Nino starting with Reasoner and Martin who will offer the young/aggressive forward some defensive and physical protection.
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I would prefer
KO to end up on the top line. Although I’m not sold he’s ever going to be a physical force (and to be fair he’s roughly the same size as MM and JT, so I’m not sure that should even be expected). But I do think he could be more of a goal scorer than a post hitter.
But I’m guessing they are going to be hesitant to break up FnGO until it, well, breaks. So I’m going to assume for now that line stays intact. That was my reasoning for the PAP-BC swap.
I DO think PAP would be a nice fit for FN and MG because he has a nice passing touch and I think would do a good job getting MG the puck going up ice. This was something KO did really well last year (and I think helped MG break out, both literally and figuratively). And I do think that is going to be a requirement for anyone, NN included, to crack that line.
As I've been told many times...
Size doesn’t matter. My point was that Kyle will add a PHYSICAL aspect to that line that does not exist with PA out there. Kyle has always presented that part of his game, but it lacked physical maturity… and a little “mean”. He’s a strong kid, and if you watch him in close quarter one-on-ones he maintains a physical edge (which is as much balance as it is physical strength) over most players. If he can use his skating ability to finish more checks, and then the balance to win positional battles in the high traffic areas he will bring a lot more to the high TOI group than PAP did. And no… I’m not fist-f***ing you!
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I hope
you’re right. That was what I thought KO could be for us. I’ve just started to wonder if he’s a different type of palyer and that was an unjustified expectation I’ve had. He does have the ability, but I’m not sure he has that type of approach.
Salivating
Once possession is established in the offensive zone these two do their best work. I think I’d rather see a guy like Kyle take PAP’s role. I think PAP can offer more of a transition/playmaking option to the Comeau(finisher) + Bailey(playmaker) pair. I think PAP would cut down the number of COZO’s because he’ll skate more aggressively into the offensive zone. That’s something that Bailey did tentatively last year.
My god, just reading over things like this gets me so excited to finally see some more evidence again in the form of actual hockey games!
Can’t wait to see who does what, who’s improved, who looks off, etc. Mrs. Lighthouse asks how I can watch so much hockey; well, it’s an on-going story, one that evolves every day and closes chapters each season but has no end.
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by Dominik on Sep 1, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear this loud and clear
Mrs. Lighthouse asks how I can watch so much hockey
My wife always asks A. how I can watch so much hockey and why the season never ends; and B. how I can watch Rush in Rio and Beyond the Lighted Stage every single time either of them is on VH1 Classic or Palladia.
The only answer I give is that, for some things, there’s no such thing as too much.
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Rec'd for RUSH...
I own “beyond”… or should I say… it owns me. I have only caught Rush in Rio once… but now that I think of it I really should put in on my DVR “target” list.
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But I still watch it when it’s on. Those old photos of them crack me up.
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by PGI on Sep 1, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually...
…really like the video that’s connected to the current tour… especially the post encore stuff… amazingly entertaining… especially the GA-FILTER!
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Shame on me for still not having seen Beyond. I really need to see that. I have R30 and the dvd with the 3 different tours (1 is GUP). Still haven’t seen Rio. Oh, and I also have A Show of Hands on VHS.
I keep forgetting that the world acknowledges Rush and that they could actually be on tv.
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SHP
Does anyone know Grabner’s short handed points per 60 minutes compared with even strength points per 60 minutes this past season? (Or even better: the 2nd half of the season.) I know he and Nielsen were prolific at scoring SH, but I still doubt a deduction in SH time would result in less points for Grabner. As I remember, Grabs had a lot of breakaways at even strength.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 1, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions
"The one downside of Zenon Konopka leaving is the Islanders might not be shorthanded nearly as much as they were last season: Now how will Grabs and Nielsen pile up the shorthanded goals?"
personally i’d rather them have 3 others to work with on a more regular basis/shift than just 2.
and yes, i get you were going for humour, but “less shorthanded is more gooder”
And two other points to consider
1) No matter how good Grabner and Nielsen are shorthanded, Isles will still be outscored by opponents while a man down.
2) The less SH time Isles face, the greater percentage of that time they can put Grabner and Nielsen on the ice while short handed, if they so choose. (And the fresher they and the rest of Isles PK players will be over the course of the game/season.)
But I do like Isles SH forward options a lot. Unless Isles take a TON of penalties in a game, JT, PAP, and Moulson won’t have to kill any penalties.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 1, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Keep in mind....
Yes they will have less penalty kills, but they (Grabs and Frans ) will be together for the entire season. Hopefully their total points on the PK stay the same with less time in the box overall.
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This
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Breakaways
I’m hoping to see a big jump in the amount of breakaway goals grabs puts home this season. Not to say that he didn’t put away more than his fair share last year but that came simply because he had so many oppurtunities. At the same time, he did have alot of missed scoring changes on the breakaway. Additionaly, I’m sure other teams took notice of his ridiculous speed last season so the breakaway opportunities may not come as easily as they did last year. Hopefully he’s concentrated alot on his finishing in the off season so he can capitalize on his speed as much as possible. Either way, I’m pumped for this season.
Take em to the jabrone-zone
I agree
Grabner scored 34 goals and still missed on what seemed like a ton of other breakaways last season. If he buries even half of those, he’s a 40-goal scorer and maybe the Calder winner.
I worry about other teams adjusting to him, too. But as long as he’s got his speed, I think he’ll remain a serious threat and not a one-year wonder.
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Not sure about breakaway percentages, but...
… in a shootout, the scoring rate is around 35%, right? And that is without any back pressure. Do players really score much more than one out of three times on in-game breakaways? Anyone know Grabner’s rate of converting on breakaways? He may be a little below average, but I don’t know if we can expect him to score on half of his missed opportunities (66% instead of 33%, for instance).
But I do think 40 goals is within Grabner’s reach. If teams respect his speed, that opens up a TON of ice in the neutral zone for Nielsen and co. to gain the blue line…. It may be fun to have a real speedster on the opposite wing. Teams wouldn’t be able to hold defensemen in the offensive zone. Can we try Katic at RW? Just for one game?
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 1, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats were a high trailer...
Buries the shot as the defense back up to compensate for Grabner’s speed. That would be a nice set play!!
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Speaking of Schremp, he is still in the US and I'm puzzled.
Why isn’t he in Sweden yet? Is he waiting for a hypothetical NHL call? The SEL starts September 15. New team, bigger ice, different playing style and language. That’s a lot to get used to and still, 3-4 weeks into training camp, he’s not there. Apparently he will report September 9.
I wish him all the best, but that’s a recipe for failure.
He might be working out with players with european experience?
Also- its tough to move to a different continent… he will miss his family and everything he’s ever known, I can understand.
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 1, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I know it's not easy, but he is making everything even more difficult all by himself
Modo is long past working out mode, they are training on the ice since beginning of August! Imagine Streit, Niederreiter or Nielsen showing up October 1 for training camp because it’s so difficult to leave home.
The following picture is of another ex-Islander, Jeff Tambellini, here with Bob Hartley and taken in Zürich August 5.

That’s what I expect and how it should be.
Holding out hope for a Camp Invite?
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Sweden waits for Rob Schremp Hockey. That’s just how he rolls.
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I hope he’s working out here or it may be indicative of his work ethic.
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by Turgeon1992 on Sep 1, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't doubt his work ethic
He’s probably working his ass out. I see it more as an attitude problem.
To be clear, Shremp has MODO’s permission to report so late, but still I see it as lack of professionalism.
I just want to get back
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With Konopka gone
How often will Gillies get into games? As much as I’d love having 4 lines that can score, the Isles need to keep their toughness. Personally I’d like to see Haley and Martin/Gillies play more often than not. I don’t think just one enforcer is enough. Especially against the Rags/Pens/Flyers. And since our d-men are not especially big or as tough as I’d like.
If you go by HockeyFights voting
Haley and Martin were both more successful in their fights than Konopka. The two of them without Gillies is plenty for me. Then break the Gillies emergency glass for select games if necessary.
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Yea
I’m hoping to see Gillies exactly twice in the first month (home and home with the Pens at the end of October).
Of course, I imagine he’ll be preemptively suspended and the Islanders will be fined for considering to dress him for those games.
by afrosupreme on Sep 1, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Isles might not need him even then....
if they have Haley, Martin, Jurcina, Wishart, Hamonic (fought Rupp pretty evenly) in the lineup.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 1, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
is there room
For Haley and Martin if Nino makes the big club? I guess you count on an injury or two but I don’t see it if everyone comes out of camp healthy. I love Hamonic but he’s still like 13 years old. Jurcina hits (not nearly enough) but is always hurt too. Just worried about teams taking liberties again if Capuano doesn’t play Haley and Martin together.
Perhaps Niño is scratched...
…for one or both of the first two Pens games.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 2, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
If both Martin and Haley can crack the top-12, Isles should be okay physically. The skilled players are quite as overmatched physically as they used to be. (Tavares and Moulson can hold their own better than Palffy and Reichel could, for instance.) And if Tavares can add just a little more leg strength, it may go a long way.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 1, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Random thought
But I just realized that in a few years, our third line could be Anders Lee-Brock Nelson-Kirill Petrov.
The thought of that has me strangely excited for the future.
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by Fabtraption on Sep 1, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Time to be a Downer, but a Realist here, and explain the chance of regression for Grabner.
“Grabner has the same questions, but with his play being wildly different from Moulson, it’s hard to see Grabner faltering.’
There is a reason, that didn’t exist with Moulson, that suggests that Grabner will have difficulty even putting up the #s he did last season. That reason is simple: Grabner’s shooting % is so high as to likely be unsustainable.
What does this mean? Well shooting % is driven by a number of factors. One of these factors, a decent sized one, is in fact player skill. However several other factors do have major effects: particularly the fact that there is a lot of luck in goal scoring.
What do I mean by luck? Well, sometimes a player makes an amazing shot but the goalie saves it. Other times a player makes a shot straight at a goalie, but due to a random deflection or just plain horrible goaltending, the puck goes in. These result in goal totals being affected by things OTHER than player skill.
Now over the long run, good and bad luck evens out and shooting % regresses to the level of true talent. But shooting % doesn’t do so always over a single season – it often takes longer for a regression to take place. So what happens is that you have guys with career 10% shooting s suddnely post a 15 shooting % and you think, wow! this guy’s improved drastically! When what’s really happened is that the guy’s numbers are a bit fluky and unlikely to continue.
Just to give some examples:
Trent Hunter 2003-2004 (13.4% SH% was way above true talent)
Jason Blake 2006-2007 (After 3 consecutive years of 9-10 SH%, Blake hit a SH% of 13% way above talent)
Shawn Bates with Boston 2000-2001 (3.4% Shooting Percentage was of course going to get better).
What does this have to do with Grabner? Well he had a shooting percentage of 14.9% last year. That’s really high, and in fact his shooting percentage in 3 AHL Seasons was basically stable around 12%. It’s a good bet that regression will occur and that Grabner’s shooting percentage will DECREASE back to around 12% next year.
Now before you argue with me, there are two caveats here:
First, there is the chance that Grabner has in fact improved his actual talent level, thus getting say more breakaways and higher percentage shots. It’s certainly possible, and to an extent this could or even is likely to be true. However to go from 12 to 15% is a HUGE jump, one which is improbable to describe as simply a function of better talent/teammates.
Second, Grabner’s shooting % may drop next year, but his shot totals are likely to increase as he gets higher usage in the beginning of the season than he does last year. Thus his goal rate may drop, but his overall goals scored will not.
And of course, there’s the fact that Grabner’s defense was terrific. I have no doubt Grabs will be a great player next year. But be warned that there are some red flags there.
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Those caveats
" It’s a good bet that regression will occur and that Grabner’s shooting percentage will DECREASE back to around 12% next year."
Which given his shot totals would be about a 6-8 goal decrease (putting him at lowest 26 total) whic given a Sh% of 12 would require about a 50 shot increase in order to be at 30 or above.
The interesting thing for him (and the data in general) are the breakaway conversion rates around the league for comparison. If he maintains the amount of breakaways (which may be unlikely if teams are keying on him) and improves that percentage a bit, he could be golden. If anything though, I’ll bet his assists increase significantly.
We should track his breakaways per game this year…but I don’t think anyone else does it to compare it to anyway.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 1, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think a 50 shot increase is possible.
Grabner is on a line where he is often the primary scoring option, increasing his shots (while Tavares has Moulson on his line taking up as many shots).
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I'd say
it’s almost definite. He had more shots in 14 February games (59) than in the 32 games of the first three months (56).
Now would a player with as many breakaways as he gets be expected to have a higher than average shooting %? I would assume so, but just an assumption.
12% is quite higher than average (9%)
15% is ridiculous.
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Does that 9% average
count defensemen?
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Average is 10% if you discount D-men.
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Balls
I wanted more disparity.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 1, 2011 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Although
just looking quickly, I’d estimate guys with >20 goals come in around 12%, maybe higher. 30 or more seems to get even closer to 15%. So it actually doesn’t seem that high given the context.
For the record, I do think Grabner will regress some, but more because opposing teams are going to pay him more attention, and he will find it more difficult to get shots.
by afrosupreme on Sep 1, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If that happens, should give JT more room.
Teams cannot play their top guys against multiple lines.
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by TheMetalChick on Sep 1, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially...
when one of the guys is the fastest man on skates.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 2, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not just the breakaways
The wrap-arounds I would have to believe will be higher than 12% conversion rate for Grabner this season. And he’s pretty good at picking the corners with his wrist shot. So perhaps: 12% of his wrist shots go in; 30% of his breakaways go in; 25% of his wrap-arounds go in. I think he could be looking at around 15% overall again.
First four speedsters that came to mind:
Kesler last 3 seasons: 14.5%, 11.7%, 15.8%
Helm: 6.7%, 6.8%
Gaborik: 15.1%, 15.3%, 15.1%, 19.1%, 15.4%, 11.5%
Kessel: 6.5%, 8.9%, 15.5%, 10.1%, 9.8%
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 1, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm, the average Breakaway has a 25% shooting percentage.
And wraparounds have really low shooting percentages.
Moreover, your section of speedsters isn’t really a set of great comparisons. Even assuming they profile well to Grabner, which I’m not even sure they do.
He could convert at higher than a 12% rate – but that should be what we expect, NOT 15%.
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Also your speedsters show that shooting percentage cant be predicted by being a speedster, given how they range from poor to average to above average to great.
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Well, he hits 15% or
He gets to ride in the scapewagon…his choice.
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by Keith Quinn on Sep 1, 2011 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I confess I haven't looked into the numbers in the 1st half vs. the 2nd
But I did assume any natural shot% return to earth might be balanced by being in his refined role all season.
That said, if he doesn’t hit 30 again I won’t be disappointed. Hard to expect anyone but a superstar or a pure sniper to hit 30 goals year in and year out.
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I'm really excited for other teams to key on Grabner defensively
That makes a great defensive line even better. Good luck holding the offensive zone if you have your defenseman playing 5 feet behind the blue line.
I don’t really think that it is possible to key on him. You give up way to much, I think you give him as much respect as possible, but you still have to hold the zone or you’re conceding way to much. I also think that you screw up the rest of your coverage opening up huge areas for Franz and Kyle.
by #11 was no all-star on Sep 1, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus keying on Frans/Grabner
Means that you aren’t keying in on JT’s line.
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Interesting point
Man, I’ve been waiting for the day when the opposition has to pick their poison.
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We should track his breakaways per game this year
You should track all scoring chances. Then you’d know everything!
…but I don’t think anyone else does it to compare it to anyway.
Along with tracking scoring chances for the Rangers, I’m going to be noting the situations, including breakaways/odd-man rushes. So you’ll have at least one data point for comparison. I think Slava is doing it for the Leafs as well.
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by George E. Ays on Sep 2, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd track if i had time
But between law school and internships, i barely have time to get my freaking posts here done.
But I’d love if someone else here was willing to do tracking.
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I'm most excited..
.. to stop reading Grabner’s COD and golf tweets and get back to his hockey tweets which made me fall in love with him all the more throughout the season.. Although his Matt Moulson banter is still entertaining in the offseason, I think it picks up in quality with hockey mentions
by BaltimoreIslander on Sep 1, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
The COD tweets are hilarious
when they piss on Tavares’ skills, or lack thereof.
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by PGI on Sep 1, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a fact!
Grabner, 50 goals in 50 games. (Or better!) By my calculations, game 50 is Feb 3 vs the Senators.
Its a fact!
Cappy won't split up Grabs and Frans.
It would be insanity. A full camp, full preseason, last year to build on…Cappy’s no fool. The other side of the line will work itself out however, but Grabs and Frans should be as locked in on the line chart as Tavares and Moulson.
Frans shooting torpedoes into empty spaces up ice that Grabs suddenly appears in for the breakaway will be so pretty to watch.
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by BrassBonanza10 on Sep 1, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
OT: Botta's interview of Adam Proteau of THN on IPB...
disgusts me. the hockey news has gone so far downhill that it refuses to follow every team fairly. the isles are clearly a better team than they were before, and their roster is capable of getting a spot in the playoffs. this guy has the nerve to even speculate that JT won’t sign after this season. THN might as well call themselves TSN.
i really do hope for a great season…just so THN and the Toronto sports media can eat a nice fat sh*tburger.
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