Hockey Bits: On the Islanders, Kings uni's, study of defensemen 'off' hands
UPDATE, BREAKING NEWS: Recently retired NHL enforcer Wade Belak was found dead in a hotel room today. He'd recently been transitioning from an NHL career to hosting his own radio show. Terrible news.
Some random topics for the final day of August 2011 (good riddance). From the Kings going to Renaissance Fair threads full-time to an elaborate study of defensemen's use of the "off" hand. Get your hockey on here and after the jump.
- This was fun. Eric Hornick totaled up those scout projections from Chris Botta's poll and found the Islanders would be a very dynamic offense if it held true. But if everything breaks right, maybe...
- Last week we dinged a Montreal writer who was dismissive of Mark Streit's non-Markov-aided abilities. To be fair, here's one who rates him quite highly. (Link is a couple weeks old.)
- This was discussed in FanShots last week, but it's an interesting look by Malcolm Gladwell on the "psychic value" of sports (NBA lockout talk, but applicable to any pro sports ownership).
- At SB Nation-New York: the eternal and elusive quest to quantify the attraction of many, many New York pro sports teams.
- FanPosts/Shots around here: Research into which goalies (starters vs. backups) the Islanders faced last year. | Revisiting the Brooklyn question, in a "would you?" sort of way. | And anyone fancy a meetup for the preseason game in Bridgeport?
- I feel bad for Quisp at Jewels of the Crown. His team has given up their purple "royal" identity to go all-black once again, with a silly medieval homeplate for a logo. And their franchise defenseman Drew Doughty is still haggling. On the other hand, he still gets to root for a team on the rise. (People who hear me whine about uniforms all the time know that I wish every team would embrace its bold colors, and not default to the trend of the moment. Some talk of this in WebBard's FanShot earlier.)
- From Puck Daddy, this is video of when NHL owners finally decided they needed to hire someone with actual power to talk back to them (John Ziegler and Gil Stein didn't quite cut it) ... so they brought in a guy with a loud tie.
- Flyers fans are digesting the James Van Riemsdyk deal. Here's a transcript of his comments on the deal, which counts on the guy to become a star. JVR is 22 years old.
- Via Copper & Blue, something to chew on if you have the time: Utilizing the Defenseman’s "Off" Hand: A Discussion of Theory and an Empirical Review
Finally ... Quiz time! Name the Europeans who have won the Stanley Cup, then report back to me.
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The LA Kings should contact LEGO
This Black Knight could use a logo on his shield

by Francesca on Aug 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Sweet.
Is that Kopitar?!?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Nah, Kopitar would never hide his blonde flow :-)
by Francesca on Aug 31, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I dig the Robin Hood uni!
Will that be their alternate in 12-13?
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 31, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Steal from the 'Nucks, give to the Isles?
Or did Dale Tallon already do that.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Aug 31, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
In a twisted coincidence
Nottingham has a hockey club… the Panters.
by Francesca on Aug 31, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If thats a joke, its funny. If its true, that is hysterical lol.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 1, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
HA- that frickin rocks lol.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 3, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You inspired me!
BQ. This Black Knight could use a logo on his shield

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 31, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
All of these are amazing. Haha
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
by Niesy on Sep 1, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome!!! Metalchick & Francesca
In loving memory;Dad thanks for making us Islanders fans, ACC 1918-2011
It is a pic of a real hockey player lego, but it wasnt purple or a king. :)
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 2, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
With the NBA lockout looming
The NHL will look to capitalize on a potential sports monopoly from Jan to April. I hope the Isles have recognized the significance of this. Coupled with good marketing, If we can outplay the rag$ and Devils down the stretch, our fanbase should grow.
by backstop87 on Aug 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is an excellent point
The league in general should listen to this advise but the Isles surely would benefit greatly from this.
Another bad season for the Isles could ultimately lead top the demise of the franchise on LI. A finish ahead of bothe rags and Devils, coupled with a Playoff birth could do wonders for the Isles business is many ways
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"Past performance Is Not A Guarantee For Future Results"
"Listening is a Skill" -Jack Capuano
A Shame about the Kings
NHL teams with black as one their uniform colors: 11
NHL teams with purple as one of their colors: 0 (burgundy doesn’t count)
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
I know!
I can’t believe how long it took for someone to embrace green after the Whale left. I’ve never forgiven Norman Green for betraying his surname in the chase for making the North Stars none more black.
Colors are good. Black is even good — it’s just already been done.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
And they play the black-clad Ducks 6 times a year, too
They’re almost going to look like spit-squad games.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
In the case of the Ducks, I'd have to say Black is better than Eggplant.
The kings had a really great royal purple. The Ducks eggplant and some greenish hue. Their unis came out in the teal, eggplant and mustard era that was just plain wrong. I am in the minority, but I actually like the Ducks third uniform with the duck-print D, but mostly because I think the D looks idiotic when paired with the rest of the -ucks.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Kind of agree on the Ducks' 3rd
There’s still something not quite right about it — I think due to fitting the RBK stylings — but I think it works by having 1) an actual logo and 2) some splashes of color. Orange mixed with their … other colors is a look they can own with the right balance.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Aug 31, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oil is black, then black is Texas after all.
I liked the original Dallas Star green jerseys, but the black with the numbers in the center of the chest was just not really much of a design.
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I liked the Stars whenever they actually used green
It was infuriating that he switched to Black and the “ST^RS” look even before he moved the team.
Obviously I’m not yet over some franchise relocations … and I CAN’T BELIEVE BETTMAN STOLE THE NORTH STARS FROM CANADA!!!!1111
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
The N stars with the multiple green and yellow was a bit overdone
Kelly green, forest green, white and yellow was one green too many.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
They certainly had a few regrettable looks
They actually introduced black accents long before they went pajama black. But some form of embracing the green was always better in my eyes — especially since I didn’t have to actually follow the team.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Still better looking than the Islanders rumored third.
LAs uni is bland, boring and black. The Islanders is just all around bad and black.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Rumor is Doughty's holding out because he doesn't like the black jerseys.
He wants a clause in his contract that says he doesn’t have to wear them or he ain’t signing. Or at least that’s what Eklund thinks ;-).
It's funny
I liked Quisp’s point about how whenever they do redesigns they always say they had “player input.” I share his skepticism about how much substance there is in that input.
And I know fans’ tastes vary, but the fans are with a team long before and after a player comes and goes. The whole enterprise is built off of a bunch of fans continuing to behave irrationally for their own “psychic benefit” in support of the team.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Missing from poll totals are last year's goal totals
It looks like almost everyone that played consistently last year, except for JT, is looking at downward goal production. Okposo and Neidereiter are the only players making big jumps, but mostly due to increased number of games played.
22 goals are no longer on the roster (scored by 6 players) with RSH the biggest loss at 10 goals. Rolston and Reasoner alone scored a combined 28 goals last season. So it doesn’t look completely unreasonable if you assume last season is a sound benchmark for production.
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by Hockey1919 on Aug 31, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable
Any one of the pr*j*ct*ns looked fine to me — I think this just reflects that weird things usually happen. Someone will miss major time with an injury, or someone will have lady luck frown upon him, etc. And then Nino will score 20 goals!!!1
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Yea
Not very lofty projections at all. And I sort of think any one player might score more than 20 with MM and JT if they go for 60+ again.
Obviously the jump is coming from the guys who missed time, but especially from the bottom 6. Hopefully Reasoner and Rolston really do have that effect.
by afrosupreme on Aug 31, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and (bottom 6) I don't think that's unreasonable at all
Goes back to why I like the Reasoner and Rolston additions … and then goes back to our “defense and goaltending as wild cards” refrain.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Yeah I made that exact comment on there yesterday
It seems very conservative to me, especially on a young team that is still on the upward curve of their careers.
No Sleep 'til....
To throw a wrench in this...
Last year’s totals… 229-264 (-35)
My pr*d*ct**n(just in case)… 240-215 (25)
My reasoning….Marty Reasoner + Mark Streit – Zenon Konopka – Joensuu + Montoya + Poulin – (where do you begin)
Tavares line will benefit from another year of Tavares maturity. I’m looking for 35 from JT and 75+ from the line.
FNGO will benefit from a full season of Kyle Okposo. That has 65+ goals written all over it.
The Comeuver line of BC, Bailey and Rolston will benefit from a consistent RW to compliment the two younger forwards. Comeau will probably lead the line with 20+ goals again, but Bailey will chip in something close to 20 and Rolston should get to double digits… a small percentage of replacement time with (Martin-Haley-Ullstrom or Rakhshani) will probably get the line up over 50 goals.
That’s over 180 goals from the top three lines. The real bonus will be a fourth line (or 3B) of Martin-Reasoner-Nino. Unlike fourth lines of the past, this line will create offensive pressure. They may not finish with the frequency of the other three lines, but they will spend a lot less time in their own zone. All four lines will do that. I’d also give them 20-25 goals.
That should be 200-210 goals from the forwards. I think this group of defenders will put up between 30-40 goals. Streit will probably lead the charge with ~15, and AMAC and Hamonic chipping in 7 or 8 each. Add a few stragglers from Wish, Eaton and Juce, plus some pachinko specials from various fill-ins… and there are easily 11 more goals for the good guys.
You also have to factor in that they were scoring at a much higher pace after the turnaround… and once the defense was simplified, and goaltending somewhat solidified the GAA went down significantly.
This is how we should measure success this year. For Arbour it was a +100 goal differential in his second year. For Capuano a +60 goal diff should be an attainable goal for the year.
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Thanks for voting "YES" on Aug 1st... just not enough of you!!!
Euro Cup winners poll
I only got 50 out of 98. For shame, for shame, I make a bad immigrant’s son.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Same score for me
So I guess I make a very bad European.
I still don’t know how I’ve been able to miss some of them.
On the excuse-making front, I lost a good chunk of time trying to find how the hell you spell the name of that damn Finn from Detroit.
I'm with you
Him and Hjalmarsson (?) took me countless spelling guesses.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
JVR signed a long term contract with Philly
How funny will it be when he’s 25 and traded to Winnipeg?
"Maybe (Frans) should concentrate more on FO rather than the thugging aspect of his game." - AP77
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
lol, I still can't believe that they gave him that much. A lot of money and term based on projected talent and not playing history.
Could be a problem. I know that a number of people are complaining about salary cap room for next year now. I think they have 12mil or something to sign 6 players next year(2 d-men, 4 forwards), and 2 of those players include Coburn and Carle as free agents. I think they may be in for a bit of a nose dive over the next couple years.
He's good
I’ve seen plenty of him.
"Maybe (Frans) should concentrate more on FO rather than the thugging aspect of his game." - AP77
Contributor to Lighthouse Hockey not sure if I'm the Sniper or the Enforcer.
13 mil for 6 players it says
…on Flyers blog. Wishart and a prospect/pick for Carle or Coburn, anyone?
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 31, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, it's hard to say.
Both are UFA after this year, likely neither will resign with us unless they love it here and/or we make the playoffs. And I could see Wishart becoming better then Coburn(in everything but hitting), and Carle is very similar to what we hope DeHaan and Donovan can become. I still want Coburn though, even if it is a 1 year rental. I’d give them a 2nd rounder and a bottom 6 prospect for him.
Off hand
Interesting article. I’ve generally thought that was overrated. I wonder how applicable the findings are at the NHL level where everything happens at a significantly faster pace and advanced level, but it seems reasonable that practice can offset any deficiency there.
Read the offhand article with great curiosity too.
The idea that you can trap the puck with your body along the boards makes perfect sense, until you have to actually play the puck on your backhand or be prone agains the boards. I just find it easier to retrieve the puck coming of the boards than pressing my body against the boards on the point since I am less mobile if I have my body blocking the puck insteadof my stick. Now that may just be out of habit, but I always played the off hand point until I became to slow to make up defensively in my own zone. I’d much rather cheat with my body to the inside and use my stick to the outside. I can alwasy use my strong hand to hold off an attacker up the middle.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
After thinking about this way too often
And reading about it there, I think it’s a real issue for some defensemen, but not an issue at all for others whose games have developed around it.
I really think some players are just great players and have a toolbox deep enough to handle either side. And some players have gotten quite adequate or even good based on a toolbox tailored to their “side,” but all of that falls apart when pushed into the off hand. (For some wingers, too.)
This is why I think the handedness of the blueline matters, BUT only matters when we know the abilities of each guy. It’s not the biggest deal, but it can be a factor depending on your personnel.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
On the 'perfect team to root for'
They should have added something for affordability and availability of tickets. It’s hard to consider a team ‘perfect’ to root for if you cannot attend the games.
No Sleep 'til....
by Anarcurt on Aug 31, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
True that
Of course for me, the study would pretty much start and end with: “Do they have Frans Nielsen? Yes or no?”
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
by Dominik on Aug 31, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Something screwy in this logic
How can the rangers finish better than the Yankees. 27 vs 4 championships, enough said.
Also shows why football is king, except I find football very dull over the last 10 years.
Lets go Isles make the playoffs this year.
I also feel bad for the nets, mets, Islanders fans who do not remember the early 80s.
by NJLurker on Aug 31, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again. I get my Hockey News year book. NY edition
And guess what ? NO ISLANDERS on the cover again. Jeez who was the last Isles to grace the cover f ing Mike Bossy. It’s like we dont exist. Same with the sporting news year book. They also have us already dead season over at first puck drop!!!!!
by Torch7 on Aug 31, 2011 4:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is a terrible news day
Marc Savard out for the 2011-2012 season
Yet Matt Cooke skates once again. In my opinion, he should be out of the league for what he did to Savard. Savard should sue for lost salary, the guy still had years left in his career.
Wade Belak found dead
Third enforcer dead in the past four months. Truly tragic.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Oh my god!
Belak was still playing too, wasn’t he?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I see, he'd just retired
Meanwhile, Fedoruk is trying to come back after battling “personal demons.”
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
He just retired this year i believe
Christ, i hope he didnt kill himself :(
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
disregard this comment, one minute too late lol
Hopefully Fedoruk doesnt end up like Belak
"Mario Lemiuex… I used to respect you."- Turgeon1992
Belak dead?
This is not a good pattern.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 31, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
Man games lost
Strang tweeteth this:
For those wondering about worrisome man-games lost past few seasons, #Isles hired Sean Donnelan as Dir. of Sports Performance this summer
web • 8/31/11 12:11 PM
Retweeted by islesblogger
(Sean Donellan)
http://www.velocitysp.com/mahwah/our_team?bio=241
Which is cool, because I guess injuries weren’t a big problem pre ’03. But his current client list tends toward being banged up a bit.
I wonder if they let anyone go or anyone changed job titles.
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Aug 31, 2011 8:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
A bit more from Hornick
Isles add Donellan to strengthen squad: Per a tweet from Katie, the Isles added Sean Donellan … bit.ly/osC09q #NYI #NHL #Isles
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Aug 31, 2011 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
More strang
Donnelan said the team is taking a very pro-active approach to make sure injuries are minimized this season. Will be some big changes
web • 8/31/11 12:12 PM
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Aug 31, 2011 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Army Rugby(one of his clients)
I see those guys all the time in the gym…I’m gonna keep an eye out for Donellan.
Theo Fleury
@DarrenDreger get rid of writing prescriptions for Oxycotin’s. The most dangerous drug on the planet.
Twitter for iPhone • 8/31/11 8:37 PM
in reply to…
Oxycotin is synthetic heroine the side affect and the crash after would make anyone depressed.
Twitter for iPhone • 8/31/11 8:46 PM
NY Islanders, just one irrational free agent signing away from contention!
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by Keith Quinn on Aug 31, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
RIP Wade Belak
as much as i didnt like belak, my condolences to his family.
i agree on matt cooke. savard is not going to be the same player again.
i would love to see the kings use the purple and gold as 3rd and 4th jerseys. i’m a fan of the black jerseys. very sleek.
"son of a bitch i'm sick of these dolphins"
- Steve Zissou
Something is not sitting right with all of this
3 tragic hockey deaths in a short span. Crosby and Savard out indefinitely with head trauma. This league best stop dragging its feet and take quick action. There absolutely is a link between head trauma and depression. Factor in the Big Pharma industry has knocked off the corner pusher and taken over the opium trade…..sorry to be Debbie Downer when our outlook is finally sunny.
It's all in the game

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Yeah
Seems at least 2 out of 3 were suicide, right? Need to really clamp down on hits to the head next season. And hits from behind too, IMO.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Sep 1, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

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