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The Case: Colin White, Devils Castaway

[Afternoon update: White has signed with San Jose for one year, approximately $1 million.]

I think I know your answer to this before I even bring it up, but it still must be explored for due diligence: Colin White has cleared waivers, paving the way for the Devils to buy him out and make him a UFA.

I know the optics, in the parlance of our times, would look odd if the Islanders picked up yet another blueline castaway from a division rival. Particularly one in his early 30s, like Mark Eaton and Mike Mottau before him. Particularly with a stable of veterans and some prospects knocking on the door.

And I know that White doesn't fit the proverbial "top 4" profile that the Islanders have expressed interest in landing this summer (not that there are any known top 4 options left). Nor does White put up points (though he's been used in strictly defensive situations by the Devils). And he even broke Bruno Gervais' face, which was kind of rude even if he didn't want to do it. But he's likely more effective than you think.

Star-divide

If you were looking for presumably cheap insurance for a still small-ish blueline that is returning not one, not three, but four guys from surgery recovery ... well, you could do worse.

 

Defensemen are hard to evaluate, their decline hard to predict. (Anyone else notice White is at that Wittian age when a physical D-man's game can go down hill?) I was just about to dig into White's data when I noticed Scott Reynolds at Copper & Blue already did, and blogging is nothing if not a way to let other people do the work first:

Colin White is in fact a pretty good hockey player. In each of the last two seasons, Colin White has taken the most defensive zone draws among Devils' defenders, been among the top four Devils' defenders in all three quality of competition categories, and posted a slightly negative Relative Corsi, which is about what you'd expect given the situation. He also led the Devils in ice time on the penalty kill, and at 6'4'' and 215 lbs., he's got the kind of size the Oilers seem to be looking for (and for those of you who like your defensemen hitting stuff, he was among the top two Devils' defenders in hits).

White offers size and physicality, but for the fight fans out there, remember that he's been advised not to fight -- Bruno challenges aside -- thanks to a facial fracture he received several seasons ago.

Now, about that anticipated decline: For some reason, Lou Lamoriello was intent on shedding White and his $3 million cap hit, even after they signed Zach Parise. Most people view Lou as some kind of immortal bastard wielding some of that Jedi voodoo and what-not, so maybe it was as simple as Lou looking into White's eyes and seeing imminent demise.

I mean, who doesn't think Lou looked into Mottau's soul last year and said, "You. You will take a puck to the face. Followed by a hip injury. I think we can let you go." He probably did the same thing with Bryce Salvador, whose long-term injury made Kovy life under the cap a lot easier.

And sometimes, you look at a player who's peripherals are fine so you wonder why a team that knows him day in and day out is letting him walk -- nay, is paying him to walk. And sometimes that's reason enough to shy away. More so when the Devils have apparently been shopping White since the end of the season. What do they know?

In Lou We Trust was also puzzled:

White is a solid defensive defenseman, his salary has been comparable to his peers (and quite possibly more so after July 1, 2011), and he's got plenty left in the tank at age 33.  This all makes White a useful player, not really someone who should have their contract bought out.  Especially since he was in the last season of his deal.

So the only argument I'd make is this: At post-buyout discount, rather than the $3 million lifestyle to which he has grown accustomed, White would be cheap. If Mottau has trouble returning, if Eaton's hip is slow to bounce back, if Streit's shoulder is still working things out -- and heaven forbid if Andrew MacDonald's rehab saw some hiccups -- then White as insurance could come in handy. You want Streit on offense, you want Ty Wishart or Calvin De Haan (or both) to grab a role. But you don't always get what you want, and that's when veteran depth can help with the dirty work, while other guys handle the plum offensive assignments.

That thin stretch of an argument aside, I bet a few other teams will think the same. Which means that, like Mottau and Eaton last summer, White might be able to command a two-year deal and be choosy with the Devils still giving him a paycheck. Which probably doesn't fit how the Islanders picture slotting things over the next two seasons.

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one/two year deal would be awesome

This way the youth can learn a bit in the AHL and spots would open up next year. I realize this is probably pure fantasy, but I’ve always liked the way he played.
The Islanders need someone to push back

by Mulligan on Aug 3, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd take White

over Eaton or Motteau. Maybe a little raise and a chance to stay close to Jersey might sound good to him. Two years, max, though.

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by PGI on Aug 3, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

What?????

White is a defensive defenseman. Nothing flashy but at times prone to bad puck decisions. He is left handed shooting with no offensive upside and is known to lay out a lick or two in front of the net.

This is as vanilla as it gets.

If you add White what do we do with Eaton and Mottau and for that case Wishart?

What will our pairings be?

Steit – Eaton
Amac and Hamonic
White – Jurcina

Our defense would be described a really, really slow.

Streit – Jurcina
Amas – Hamonic
White – DeHaan

Eaton and Mottau are traded? That would make sense…with Katic and Wishart in reserve.

White did fight Celine Dion (Dion Phaneuf) after Celine took a run at Parise.

I think we need to do better if we can.

by TheMagus on Aug 3, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Vanilla, but necessary

What they do, if they’re capable, is handle tough assignments and defensive zone starts, while allowing your offensive-minded blueliners to take offensive zone draws and try to feast on the opposition’s weaker links. If White holds serve, then you hope the offensive guys get their pluses on their shifts.

Again, the proposition is: Given that defensemen get hurt. The Isles already have several defensemen returning from injury. If any of them struggle in their return, or someone else gets hurt, is having White in your first eight good insurance for those possibilities?

Personally I want Wishart in the NHL, de Haan in the AHL, and Katic/Reese as emergency call-ups only.

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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Issue

We will need a puck moving defenseman paired with him and this doesn’t solve our powerplay issue unless you are assuming Rolston will be paired with Streit.

by TheMagus on Aug 3, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think there is a PP addition out there

I do think Rolston is added to the mix, with A-Mac and Hamonic also in the conversation. That’s one they’ll have to figure out.

Part of this insurance theory is that best laid plans will inevitably be subject to change, so for my part I don’t go into it trying to design pairings at the low end; I just go into it asking: Can my insurance parts hold their own? White’s stats say he can.

The isles have several puck movers in Streit, Hamonic, A-Mac, and arguably Reese, Katic, de Haan (I don’t rate the last three at the NHL level, but if they’ll provide anything this year it will be in the puck movement department)..

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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mottau isn't even ready right?

Pretty sure he said that in that piece you linked last week.

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by Keith Quinn on Aug 3, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't clear whether he would be by camp though

I mean, I’m guarded on that, but I don’t know. It’s been long enough for a recovery.

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by Dominik on Aug 4, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hip yes

I think he’s still having trouble seeing.

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by Keith Quinn on Aug 4, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

His last interview

Made it sound like his vision was up to par, and he just needed a tinted visor for glare.

Of course, like Bruno before him, there may be other reasons for “getting out there” this summer.

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by Dominik on Aug 9, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Additional Thoughts

Is Lou looking to make a deal for a defenseman? The Devils only have 5 defenseman on one way contracts with three kids, including Larsson looking to make the team. Bryce Salvador is coming off an injury plagued season as is recovering from a concussion.

Will the Devils go after Bogohisian?

by TheMagus on Aug 3, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

They seem to be banking on their youngsters

But yeah, after clearing Rolston and White, they have room if he wants to do something bigger.

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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't he have a problem with his vision , a la Mottau?

I can’t remember exactly when, but he definitely had some face/eye injury a few years back.
I don’t think he’s been the same since. I’d pass.

by O.Bender on Aug 3, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Facial fracture from a puck in practice in 2007

Basically it keeps him from fighting, but his vision’s reportedly been fine.

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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup

And it certainly hasn’t seemed to hurt his play on the ice, he’s still an effective defender. Just not all that flashy.

He’s a better and more durable Radek Martinek. The roster crunch might preclude the Isles pursuing him. I mean, they could package a few spare parts for a pick or something, but I don’t see it happening. The Isles could just have easily dealt Trent Hunter for Colin White, as for Brian Rolston.

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by mikb on Aug 3, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

They also could have had White for free when he was placed on waivers prior to the buyout.

by HockeyWeasel on Aug 3, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

“Free” plus his whole $3 million salary, but yeah, point taken. Makes you wonder if White’s name came up in the Rolston trade conversation, or if it was just Snow strictly pursuing Rolston and Lou not trying to foist other cap baggage on him.

I assume, since they didn’t enter a claim, that they aren’t interested in White, but it’s possible they’re interested at $850,000 but not at $3 million.

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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worth Considering

As last season proved, the Islanders cannot have too many defensemen. If I were Garth Snow, I wouldn’t necessarily go out to sign Colin White, but I would certainly have an internal discussion regarding whether or not White would be a good fit for the Isles.

by Dougtone on Aug 3, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd rather have had...

Marty or Hillen.

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by JPinVA on Aug 3, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Is Hillen signed?

I guess it doesn’t matter as we’ve moved on….

by 4PeatSake on Aug 3, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

:)

You know in drawing this up I almost included shout outs to likely “White Sucks!” (AP77) and “Rather have Jack or Marti” (JPinVA) responses. Of course mine is “Well, I’d kick those tires.”

White and Hillen are such opposite defensemen, if they really did chase White it would betray which profile they felt they needed more. I still can’t guess what “top 4” type they are/were after, unless it’s just a PP guy like Ehrhoff.

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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you posted a poll...

at least those three choices wouldn’t have had 0%.

If you are going to build a reserve you should havea Hillen and an Eaton in it. Meaning I’d like to have 6 defensemen better than those two. To me, Marty is better than Eaton, it’s just that Eaton was signed already.
Eaton is better than White, but White is better than Mottau(because he most likely won’t play).
So… maybe this is teh year we find out more about the KKK, Katic, Klementyev and Kohn’s roster replacement deHaan or Donovan.
Streit-Jurcina
MacDonald-hamonic
Wishart-Eaton
Mottau-(?) <- Wouldn’t Jack be nice to have when you have to spell a guy for a few games.

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by JPinVA on Aug 3, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Jack would be nice to have

Still intrigued that he’s not signed, by the Isles or anyone. White disappeared off the shelf quick! I’m learning, I suppose, about collective GM eval of different players.

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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hillen is a victim of being "Islandered"

Even though he is still listed as one of the top remaining free agent Defenseman available, it appears he is still waiting for the right deal. There is a long list of guys who leave the Islanders and must restart their careers because the Islanders organization is considered a joke and nobody trusts Snow’s ability to judge talent. I mean who wants players from a team that hasn’t finished better than 26th in the last four years?

Recently guys like Thompson, Bergenheim and Jackman all had to restart and are now enjoying much success elsewhere. That will probably be the case for Hillen as well. I am certain Hillen will emerge and like other Islanders castoffs will do well or better elsewhere.

by jbranny on Aug 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think any of those guys is doing much different than while on the Island

They’re just on better teams now (well, not Bergie anymore), serving essentially the same role they did before.

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by Dominik on Aug 4, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's exactly how I see it

I like Jurcina, Wishart, and Eaton more than most, I think, so I would be okay with that. Still wouldn’t be bad to add another D-man for depth unless Isles think deHaan or Donovan is ready.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 3, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But if we’re even considering White, why not go for Hannan then? Isn’t Hannan younger and better?

by JPinNYC on Aug 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hannan's about a year younger

Not sure if he’s better though.

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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto

Colin White, in one word,no.

by Isle Of Weight on Aug 3, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Colin White has already signed somewhere

via a twitter RT by Keith Quinn

Ex-Dev Colin White’s agent, Ben Hankinson, said White has agreed to terms with new team. Signing and announcement coming today or tomorrow.

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by NYI_22 on Aug 3, 2011 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

White is 6'4", 220, and rugged

He would immediately become Isles roughest defenseman. (Think Hamonic’s aggression with Jurcina’s size.) If Garth thinks White can skate #5 or #6 and kill some penalties, it would definitely be worth a shot with a two-way contract. Perhaps even one-way if he comes cheap enough for a one-year contract.

Even before Isles picked up Rolston, I thought Isles needed a physical D-man more than a PP point man. Optimally a top-4 physical D-man, but adding a 5th/6th wouldn’t be a bad thing. If that send Mottau to the press box for the entire season, I’m not complaining. (I think Eaton is a useful D-man.)

Also depends on how much confidence Isles have in Jurcina and Wishart.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 3, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Not Big

On taking scraps from Lou’s table. I’ll bet anything that White goes on to have one of his worst seasons of his pro career.

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by Mark D on Aug 3, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

hmmm... good signing for them

First impression is that he will fit well there.

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by mikb on Aug 3, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, they are looking even more like th team to beat in the West now.

Adding Burns, Handzus, Colin White, and only really losing Setoguchi. And they made a huge impact in the regular season and the playoffs last year. Gonna be scary.

by OzzyFan on Aug 3, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of Course

They’ve been the team to beat for a decade now, and everyone’s beaten them.

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by Mark D on Aug 3, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Da-dump-bump-bump

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by PGI on Aug 3, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad that Heatley didn't even make the list of Shark player losses.

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by Hockey1919 on Aug 3, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

It has to be said that losing Dany Heatley solves as many problems as it causes.

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by mikb on Aug 4, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd for high Dan(n)y hate content

I really, really don’t like that guy.

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by Dominik on Aug 4, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

COJONES!!!!!!!! That's a lot of scratch!

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by Russel Ginart on Aug 3, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what Nashville gets for being CHEAP

Here is your Captain, cornerstone D-man and you can’t put together something that would work?!?!?!
They should have locked him up long term as Pekka is coming up on UFA next year – then they are screwed!

by Figgybaum on Aug 3, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slap Shots has leared that

THE GUY WHO OWNS THAT TEAM IS THE WORST OWNER GUY EVER AND HE SHOULD SELL TO SOME OTHER GUY WHO WOULD BE A BETTER OWNER AND DO EVERYTHING RIGHT ALL THE TIME AND SEND ME FRUIT BASKETS!!

oh…it’s not the Islanders? in that case, kudos on the great deal.

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by PGI on Aug 3, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nashville is Screwed

The Captain is a RFA once again next year…..
Suter is a UFA as well as Pekka…..
12 players on their roster will be either a UFA or RFA next year……

What Snow is doing makes sense….

by TheMagus on Aug 3, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we can get Suter and Pekka next season?

trade excess for draft picks and keep the prospect cycle rolling.

This will definitely happen.

"..."

by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Aug 3, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have read elsewhere

Of Suter, Weber, and Rinne, the Preds probably consider Rinne the most easily replaced. The have Anders Lindback, who they feel is going to be terrific, and under cost-control for a few years. They can afford two of the three, and Rinne is the odd man out.

However, that might all go out the window if they’ve annoyed Weber to the point that he wants to go elsewhere.

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by mikb on Aug 4, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

NO goalie is irreplaceable

(No offense, mikb and all you goalies. ;)

If Rinne wanted Bryzgalov money, I’d trade him to the Flyers after they waive Bryzgalov.

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by Dominik on Aug 4, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Up 3 mill (at least) from the Preds' offer, down only 1 mill from Weber's

I wonder who’s happier? :>

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by NSOsFan on Aug 3, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might be trade bait

some quotes from PD seem to indicate he’s not happy about being taken to arbitration. Preds own his rights next year but you don’t want a POed captain in the locker room. Biggest issue is they are just above the cap floor right now so if they trade 7.5 mil of salary away it has to be replaced.

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by ArsenalLI on Aug 3, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cornered

The Preds back themselves into a bad corner.

by TheMagus on Aug 3, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking, with Weber and Suter both hitting FA and wanting to get paid next year that 1 will be traded before the trade deadline(or FA period) of next season.

It makes no sense to hold them both, especially when Weber is gonna want/get $7mil/yr from somebody and Suter is looking at a healthy raise to $5mil/yr+. Especially with Rinne getting his raise next year.

by OzzyFan on Aug 3, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolston if need be is an expiring contract.

An I’m sure they’d love cheap RFA/ELC guys. So why not, an “attempt” of Rolston + Comeau + DeHaan + future 1st rounder? Or at least that as a starting point.

by OzzyFan on Aug 3, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

they could always swing a deal for Redden

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by Mark D on Aug 3, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’d need to throw in some other stuff. Redden’s a key component to developing our defensive prospects in CT.

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by George E. Ays on Aug 3, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct my math if I'm wrong and confused

Rolston for 5M and White went for 1M! I know we dumped Hunters 2mX 2m but I would have perferred White.

by altosax on Aug 3, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably could only have White for $3M

Since once free, he booked to San Jose. But yeah, I wouldn’t have minded having both Devils.

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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks more like Hunter was key to the deal

…now that Devs are buying him out. That pretty much means he hasn’t recovered near 100% and is not expected to. At least Rolston can be of some value. (We hope!)

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 3, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Weird

I just saw Rob Schremp claim he’s an RFA? I thought the Jets didn’t qualify him?

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by Mark D on Aug 3, 2011 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I love how that article ignores his stats with the Islanders

“just 18 NHL games last season…”

Come on, Winnipeg reporters — you’re back in the NHL now. Time to bring your A game.

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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I realized afterward

That it was an older tweet then I thought it was.

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by Mark D on Aug 3, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It can happen to anyone

Like Jon Sim, for example.

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by Dominik on Aug 3, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bazinga!

Poor bastard thought he had a pay day coming to him.

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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Aug 3, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

I hate to say it, but I get the impression that Rob Schremp isn’t the sharpest skate in the equipment room. If he thinks he’s RFA or UFA, I’m double-checking. I might not even believe him if he said that he was retired.

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by mikb on Aug 4, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

My quote agrees with your impression

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by Bryan2112 on Aug 4, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weber or Lundqvist? Who would you rather have. I need input on a debate I'm having.

I think it’s clearly Lundqvist, the elite goalie(with a gold medal) in the more important position, but I’ve been having a heavy debate with someone over at and wondered what you guys think. Thanks.

by OzzyFan on Aug 4, 2011 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

weber but thats prob bc lundqvist is a ranger… but thats deff debatable

by LETS GO ISLANDERS!!! on Aug 4, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lundqvist. Blackhawks proved (imho) that even if a team has a shut down defenseman, a team getting to the finals has enough weapons that you can’t keep the shut down guy on the ice all game.

Plus if the guy has 1 bad game in the series, your pretty screwed.

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by Mark D on Aug 4, 2011 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I say Weber (who also has a gold medal and is much younger).

Lundqvist is great, but I think Weber is the rarer commodity. Every Stanley Cup team has an anchor defenseman, but some have surprisngly mediocre goaltending. Bruins Chara, Hawks Seabrook and Keith, Wings Lidstrom, Ducks Neidermeyer and Pronger. I think the Pens with Gonchar is probably the only exception in the past five years. Look at the goaltenders on the other hand – Niemi, Osgood, Fleury.

Although Thomas this season was the Bruins biggest factor. I think there are more goaltenders that can get the job done, than there are defenseman of that caliber. It reminds me of the Redden vs Chara debate. Redden had more “skills” than Chara, but you could find another “Redden”, but the only other Chara equivalent in the league was Pronger.

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by Hockey1919 on Aug 4, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If there's one goalie who would make me think, it'd be Lundqvist

That said, I’d still probably go with the defenseman.

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by Dominik on Aug 4, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Islander Reality

Conversely, how many games did our goalies cost us? The thought of watching DP roaming the net and trying to make a pass makes me nauseous. Would Weber had made a difference? Nope….accept maybe he has the gravitas to force DP to keep the game simple.

by TheMagus on Aug 4, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

truth is

A bad goalie can derail you a lot more easily than a great goalie can win for you. Goalies don’t score goals. They can’t win, they can only lose. And in a lower-scoring game, with fewer good chances to be had, an elite goalie has fewer chances to be a difference maker.

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by mikb on Aug 4, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds

Just like our knucklehead boy – DP.

by TheMagus on Aug 4, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think that adequate goaltending is more readily available.

Unfortunately, the Islanders went a couple of seasons with less than adequate goaltending.

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Aug 5, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Preds already had Rinne, who was Lundquist like last season as well.

If you look around the league you have many goaltenders capable of stealing games. GWG for a defenseman really isn’t a fair comparison either. Its like saying Hextall was better than Hasek because he had more goals.

Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011

by Hockey1919 on Aug 5, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

plus who need lundqvist when u got ricky D

by LETS GO ISLANDERS!!! on Aug 4, 2011 1:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Consequences of Weber Deal

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=585711&navid=mod-rr-headlines

The next year will be interesting for our team and a few others.

Do we trade some for one of the big three of Nashville with some of our established players and youth? Adding Suter or Weber could make us a playoff team if done correctly.

by TheMagus on Aug 4, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

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