3 Reasons Why Expecting the Isles to Make the Playoffs Is Not Crazy At All
Given the spate of Isles news that has attracted the attention of the hockey media in the way a bad traffic accident might, I thought I would fill the minds of Isles fans with some good feelings regarding the upcoming season - Bleacher Report style (without the slideshows though).
The good feelings are a function of the relative health of the team and why said health should translate to an 8th place finish in the East, even without any further additions to the team. Here it goes:
1. The 2011-2012 Islanders Are a Different Team than Last Year's "Slump" Islanders
However, this approach is flawed for a simple reason: the team responsible for most of their losses last year is very different from the team responsible for most of its wins -- without even considering the impact of the new faces of Streit, Rolston and Reasoner. The Islanders lost a total of 52 games last year, including overtime losses. 20 of those losses came during an awful 21 game stretch between October 23 and December 13, 2010 and 7 came during the last 8 games of the season. What did the Islanders look like during the 21 game slump? Here are the line combos for a random game against Anaheim in late November. (Cover your eyes as this looks worse than the Isles' rumored third Jersey):
Forwards
26 Matt Moulson – 91 John Tavares – 40 Michael Grabner
57 Blake Comeau – 12 Josh Bailey – 15 PA Parenteau
17 Matt Martin – 51 Frans Nielsen – 7 Trent Hunter
16 Jon Sim – 28 Zenon Konopka – 93 Doug Weight
Defensemen
4 Mark Eaton – 20 James Wisniewksi
10 Mike Mottau – 24 Radek Martinek
38 Jack Hillen – 8 Bruno Gervais
Take a gander at that defense. All but two of those guys are no longer with the team and Eaton and Mottau are likely to be relegated to the bottom pair or worse this coming season. On offense, no FnGO and a 4th line that has all moved on to other things and places.
The defense during the late season slump was equally sketchy. This was the lineup for the last game of the season:
Hamonic - Martinek
Wishart - Katic
Sims - Reese
Hamonic is the ONLY guy with a definite top 4 spot on the team next year. We won't see Sims or Marty next year and the others (with the possible exception of Wishart) will likely start the season in Bridgeport.
Thus using the 2010-2011 season as a baseline doesn't make sense because the team responsible for most of the losses is simply not the team that will take the ice next season.
2. The current defense played pretty well last year
So how did the "other" Islanders team play last year? The top Isles defensemen who played last year include Hamonic, Jurcina and MacDonald. MacDonald and Jurcina were both out for most of the Fall 2010 slump (Jurcina was out for 18 of those games and AMac was out 16). Hamonic got called up on November 24, at the tail end of the streak. Both AMac and Jurcina were out for 7games of the bad 8 game stretch at the end of the year while Hamonic played with assorted AHLers and ATOs. Overall, the team's record with all three players was 20-10-5. The team's record with AMac and Jurcina was 24-11-7. Extrapolate those number over 82 games, and you have a playoff team. Then add Mark Streit. What was that about a third jersey?
Of course, the Isles' success while AMac Jurcina and Hamonic were in the lineup had as much to do with the emergence of the Isles offense in early January which saw the "revelaation" of Grabner, the return of Okposo and the development of the FnGO line. It could be that this defense on a less talented offsense would have had less success. But does it matter?
3. The Isles Offense Will be Even Stronger in 2010-2011
Certainly the bright side to the Islander turnaround that began last winter was the gelling of the offense, which finished 8th in the conference. However, the offense is likely to score more goals next year with the addition of Streit, Reasoner, Rolston and possibly Nino Niederreiter. The power play in particular should improve with Streit and Rolston adding to strong shots from the point.
4. Caveats
Of course, there are just as many reasons to be skeptical about this analysis: the sample size of the "good" Islanders of late December through mid-March is small. They were playing with no pressure (I'm not a fan of that one). The injury bug can strike again. Streit may be less than 100%. The goalie mess. Hey, I am an Isles fan. I am so used to disappointment that I can continue going with this list all night. And I am fully prepared to be disappointed yet again.
But there is enough of a reason to forget about bad jerseys, viewing parties and Jay Jacobs, Kate Murray and the rest of them and look forward to a successful season of hockey.
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This team absolutely has the horses to make the playoffs, especially on offense. The only thing holding them back will be related to the players’ medical statuses. Even missing the league’s average amount of man games would be an improvement.
Regarding the mess in goal, maybe I’m an optimist but I think the fact that DiPietro finished the season healthy for a change makes a big difference. He went into the off-season without a need for surgery, rehab, voodoo witch doctor, Vulcan mind meld or anything other than a good old fashioned summer work out like everyone else has.
Obviously, Ricky’s history is not encouraging. But, for some reason, this off-season has given me renewed hope for him.
In a few years, we’ll have forgotten about these (still unconfirmed) third jerseys like other fans have forgotten about the Flames’ fire-snorting horse jersey, the Lightning’s rain storm jersey, the Canucks’ it’s-purple-down-here-and-blue-up-here jersey and every other fly by night cash-in Sunday sweater that’s ever been introduced and quickly discarded.
"He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus.
DiPietro finished the season healthy for a change
Although part of me doubts this would have happened if Johnson hadn’t done us the favor of breaking his face. Remember he also ended up with a swollen knee around that time, which makes me think it’s likely that he either would have been shut down at some point around then, or injured himself further by continuing to play.
by afrosupreme on Aug 24, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy S***
Looking at that lineup from the losing streak, its no wonder we couldnt win a game to save our lives
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Yeah, my thinking too...bottom six, outside of Frans, no goal scoring at all, and Frans struggles to score too
by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 24, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, you can't think
“I want Frans to get more chances this game—someone take a dumb penalty so we can get him out there on the PK”
When he's playing wth Grabs
Sure I can. It’s the fact that they are so good on the PK that ill allow fr more aggression at even strength.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
When you're Frans Neilsen "scoring goals" is not a main concern.
Keeping order and discipline throughout the goddamn universe may weigh a bit on his mind, you know? Cut him some slack, man. Dude’s busy.
by Les Beaver on Aug 24, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think you missed the point...if your best offensive bottom sixer scores 13 and the rest score, well 2 to 5...
that’s a problem
by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 24, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, he scored 13 AND kept order in the universe.
That’s my point, really. I do agree that the bottom 6 didn’t help the cause too much.
Point is though, it is not inconceivable Isles make playoffs....
Thanks for the analysis. I think worst case, Islanders are now an above 500. to 90 point team. Anything less would be very disappointing, but they are also a bubble team in a conference full of bubble teams…if they can end Philly’s dominance of them alone, that improves the team’s playoff chances…great post
by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 24, 2011 3:04 AM EDT reply actions
Exactly my point of view,
but you put it to “paper” better than I ever could. Biggest question mark, remains goaltending. Am I the only one to hope for a Nabokov miracle this season?
Also, did anyone read Penguins celebrate 20th anniversary of ’91 Cup ?
The whole article I kept thinking: “This could be the Islanders”
Hey man,
Next time you take a toke, don’t hold it in so long, mmkay?
I’ll take Monotoya, KP and most likely DP over Nappingkov.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Aug 25, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Did you look at Nabbys numbers???
Monty might become great but so far in his career he hasnt been stellar for most of his pro career….I hope he is but odds are not that great and he also has surgery…
DP was the worst goalie in the league and shouldn’t even be in the NHL…
Nabbys save % is .912 and that’s in his career….He might be a dick head but hes the best puck stopper signed on this team as of this moment…
I agree that montoya and DP shouldn't be expected to be great, but neither can nabokov.
-Nabokov just spent 1 whole year away from nhl sized rinks(different shot angles, different players, different level of competition) and was terrible in that year.
-Nabo is 36yrs old and has never been a consistent goalie. The .922 he threw up in the 09 season was the first .915+ save percentage he’s had in 6 seasons.
-He’s played on great teams his whole career. In his 9years as an nhl starter, he’s made the playoffs in 8 of them. His best season was played behind Rob Blake, Dan Boyle, Douglas Murray, and Vlasic. A top 4 that any goalie would love.
-His career save percentage is .912 and he is 36. With our defense and team as a whole in front of him, we really can’t expect better then .910 from him.
by OzzyFan on Sep 1, 2011 12:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh, btw, when I toke I hold it in as long as possible...
for more absorption, clk clk
LOL, sorry just saw you repied to me.
I’m still not taking nabokov, and I’m sure not going to use the cute nickname Nabby, that’s saved for players who want to play for my team.
You’re right about him being the best for his career, but I just don’t trust that he will be even be his mediocre self. Only time will tell, but I don’t see him even playing for the isles this year.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Sep 5, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks DP'sknee etc
I enjoy reading your posts and fanshots, they are very informative.
I believe in this as well. I think that the D is better (read: Healthier) and the O is stronger (read: full year of KO, Nino, and Grabs, who took a while to come out of his shell).
Our biggest concerns are health (which is a concern to every NHL team, but more so to us it seems) and goaltending (which Francesca and others mentioned above).
Someone posted a while back (I forgot who it was) that if we can get good averages from whatever 2 (or even 3) man combination of goalies we use and a healthier roster then last year, the playoffs should be a lock.
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I think most fans understand this intuitively
But I thought it would be useful to articulate with the hard numbers. It’s too easy for haters and even fans simply roll their eyes dismissively and point to the team’s ghastly record but when you actually look at the team on the iceduring those long slumps, you can’t honestly say that that’s our team.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Aug 24, 2011 9:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no need to look any further ...
for how they make the playoffs than IT’S FREAKIN SPORTS.
maybe this comes off as jerky, but i think predicting, prognosticating and all that stuff is silly, whether about a particular game like the super duper bowl or as in this case, a team’s upcoming season. the unpredicability is precisely why i love sports. pure, unrehearsed, unscripted drama. analyzing before-hand and predicting the outcome is the LAST thing i want to do.
all that said, being that this is sports and barring the dreaded “I” word, i think there’s no reason at all this team not only can’t get into the tournament, but get in a few slots higher than 8. IT’S FREAKIN SPORTS.
by dose on Aug 24, 2011 8:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hear that
But hey, we gotta do something to fill the air in August … beats manufacturing controversy and stoking outrage, anyway.
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Anyone know the biggest pt jumps...
…from one year to the next by a team in the past 10-20 years?
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 25, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoyed your post but you didnt mention the goalie situation...
The goalie situation needs to iron out as well….Also, didnt Garth say that his goal was to sign at d-man???I think we need a BIG veteran, top 4, d-man, to help Streit and the young guys…To help take off some of the pressure…
I mentioned it in caveats
And it is a caveat. But keep in mind that our goalie situation isn’t any worse than it was last January through March when we won all those games. To me, the goalie mess is a management problem, not a talent problem. There is certainly enough talent amongst the 3 or 4 Gs in the picture. The issue is finding it and having the willingness to say no to DP if that becomes necessary.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Aug 24, 2011 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
didnt Garth say that his goal was to sign at d-man
As far as direct Garth quotes go, I do not believe he professed that as “his goal”. Garth did say was something WAY more vague about always looking for ways to improve, and that it may involve trades, etc. Garth doesnt give up his hands so easily saying things like “This is my goal, this is exactly what i am looking for and what i want to get my mitts on this offseason” -its just not his style.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 24, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
great post...there is actually REAL hope & reason to engage ourselves in islanders hockey this season...
thanks for the post dude. i like your analysis…to start off, yes. this team can be a playoff team with what they have now. of course, keeping the injuries to a minimum and getting the best out of our young players gelling together. this team has good chemistry of scoring and work ethic on our offensive lines. i’m not worried about goal scoring, but may have over-expectations that can be unrealistic. but hey, i’m a fan…
the isles have the word “breakout” written all over them not just as a team, but individuals as well. i can’t wait to see these analysts quickly turn into bandwagon apologists…
the D is the only concern i have. yes, streit is back and we have some legitimately good NHL Dmen. the isles are another big name Dman away from having a solid D-corp.
here’s what i don’t understand about the goaltending of this team: why all the question marks? there’s no need to view it as a “situation”. honestly, i view it as a reason to be excited. let’s look at this: DP is coming into this season without surgery or anything drastic. yes, he may not be the same as before, but we really don’t know that. Poulin is coming off injury, but is still one of the top young goalies in the game. Nabokov hasn’t played in the NHL for a little while, but he’s a capable starter. Montoya spiked his value from last season with how great he played down the stretch. I’m excited to see his full potential with a given season which he earned and hopefully fulfilling the expectations of a top 10 draft pick….so look at it this way: the isles have 4 capable #1’s. all can be utilized during the season whether one gets injured or having a solid goalie-by-committee. who says there needs to be a clear #1? i’d rather have 2 or 3 #1’s.
hurry up october.
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Nice job DP...
I am not going to make the very difficult task of jumping from 14th to 8th as easy as some, but they do have a chance. If the games in March are meaningful we will have taken another great step. Here’s where I see some questions:
1. Obviously goaltending. DP was horrible last year and if returns to THAT form he MUST be set aside immediately. Part of that 20+ game slump was the organization force feeding this team less than adequate goaltending. Not that Roloson would have given them a winning record, but he wouldn’t have lost 20 in a row. It was done to FIND OUT..well..we FOUND OUT… let’s not do that again.
2. Defense. We get a huge part of the defense back with the return of Mark Streit. But there are still lame duck defenders and prospects in transition that will comprise the opening night lineup(most likely). We do like to "pr*j*ct, but when it comes down to it we are looking at some holes, especially given the fact that four of the top six are returning from surgery or extended absenses due to injury.
3. Competition. This team has not done well against its divisional rivals. They are in the toughest division in hockey. I am biased, but I see them as having improved more with the small moves that they’ve made just through maturation and taking advantage of upgradable opportunities. Their competition has done same, and has done so in high dollar fashion in some cases. THIS MEANS SQUAT… but the Isles need to prove that their improvement strategy is better… and they will do that by playing solid hockey in the first 6 weeks.
4. Health. When you have a $60M lineup health is an issue. When you have a $48M lineup health is a MUST. They should have positive depth at D by mid-season as they will have at least four capable replacement players in Katic, deHaan, Donovan and Klementyev. (I assume Streit, Eaton, Mac, Ham, Juce, Wish, Mottau and Reese will start the season with the big club). That depth does not really exist for top six forwards. The bridge will have Ullstrom, Rakh and some AHL lifers… This may be a huge question if asked. And we all know what a seven man goalie-go-round looks like…
All I’m saying is to keep this in the back of your mind as you root this team on this year. What we should EXPECT is a good effort every night. If that brings playoffs, great. If not… we are still taking steps in the right direction.
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Depth is the big key
And I do think we are deep enough to handle a normal amount of snags. I don’t think we will be buried in December so if those snags come up later we can trade to patch any holes. Plus many of our bottom six guys could be viable top 6 options as well. Rolston thinks he still can be. Bailey and Comeau could handle it as needed. Then you are just calling up Ullstrom and Rakh to fill in on the 3rd line. The D is MUCH better. With CDH & Donovan as call-up options you have much better organizational depth. Goalie issue is still unresolved but if we get the same Montoya we saw last year this will be much improved.
No Sleep 'til....
Part of that 20+ game slump was the organization force feeding this team less than adequate goaltending. Not that Roloson would have given them a winning record, but he wouldn’t have lost 20 in a row.
I believe Roloson got the majority of those starts and earned most of those losses.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 24, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick look
has Rolo with 12 of the starts. He did have 7 in a row at one point, which was followed by 4 straight and 6 of 8 for DP (including the lone win).
by afrosupreme on Aug 24, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
re-read my post...
They were both less than adequate at that point. Roli didn’t play too bad, but DP was a nightmare. In CAR he was laughed out of the building. The fact was that the team needed a backup to play one or two games to right the ship. They left themselves without that because they were forced into accepting an ECHL goaltender as their backup.
If Ricky is healthy he CAN BE a quality NHL goaltender. Neither of those things have been true for quite some time. This needs to end before the new year…. or we’ll always have questions about how good this team can be.
My fingers are crossed that he kills it this year, because he’s worked hard to still have a slim chance… but I would have to get some pretty steep odds to bet on it.
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Oh
I agree with you about DP last year. Although to an extent it wouldn’t have mattered much who was in net because we were scoring between 0-2 goals almost nightly. I was just providing the numbers regarding the streak.
I personally don’t think DP should even be considered for the starting job until he proves himself again at the AHL level.
by afrosupreme on Aug 24, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
man did i get killed by some of the folks in this community when I suggested that you couldn’t generate the offense necessary to win NHL games soley thorugh an agressive forecheck. That crap calmed down once THE CAP took over, and allowed players to play. I really didn’t want to get too philosophical, but it was what it was.
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I thought the "overspeed" system was great what it was working in spurts...
It just seemed that when cappy came along the players were more loose and creative…They couldn’t be creative in the GoGo system and they were easily exposed on defense…
agreed. it was a matter of having gone as far as they could Go-Go
At first Scott Gordon didn’t have the guys to do much of anything else… if they weren’t sticking to a system they were doomed. I think the evidence showed that when the system worked, they hung with much stronger teams, such as the shutouts over the Wings and Devils in ‘09-’10. When it went wrong, though, they got mugwumped.
A system gets you competitive, but you have to also give players the privilege to stretch the system from time to time and make instinctive plays – that’s the only way to really get the most out of guys with a huge hockey IQ, like Tavares. It makes the team more challenging and less predictable to opponents. Finally, when it’s all gone pear-shaped on you, you still have a chance at turning the game into a big shinny contest and snookering a win. The trick is to be disciplined enough to know when to grind it out and when to get “so crazy it JUST. MIGHT. WORK.”
That’s the next big step, and I think Garth went to Cappy to get the team over the hump. Not blaming Gordon, BTW – it was a combination of lots of things during Woevember. But the switch seems to have worked. They’re a totally different side now.
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I'm not really a stat guy...
…so I wouldn’t know where to look for, or have time to create the breakdowns but DP did not deserve to be in the NHL last year. Even the game that I went to, that he won vs the Rangers, he looked horrible. He must have spent half the 3 hours stretching and wincing. He looked better by the end of the year, physically… but he has not proven to be an NHL goaltender.
And by FORCE-FEEDING I meant that there were no other real options. They should have stuck to a 4 or 5 to 1 ratio(Roli:DP) but they wanted to find out what Rick had left. Well… here we are one year later and what did they find out?
Sometimes you need a STOPPER. Somebody who can steal a game and get the team on track again. Roli just didn’t have enough to keep that sinking ship afloat after the bailey injury, and DP couldn’t have won games in the ECHL.
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Im sorry but this is our 5th yr of the "so called' rebuild...The playoffs should be the goal..
But Garth needs to make some moves to add depth as you said…
goal?
as a fan you need to be realistic with your goals. What are the ramifications of not reaching YOUR goals. If they don’t make the playoffs are you going to stop supporting the team, the GM, the coach, the owner. This is not personal, but do you think they care. Do i think that anybody else here cares if I am a fan or not? NO
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I actually thought...
you did. So now I'm a little hurt.
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by JPinVA on Aug 25, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry
You want to hug it out?
by afrosupreme on Aug 26, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The bottom line is this team should be going for it this year...
Isles fans have had been very patient…Im not sure what your getting at but if I was the GM the playoffs are in my sights this year…Not in the future….The time to take that next step in now..
How long do you think the rebuild should take??? I believe 5 years in more than enough…Especially since Isles fans have waited a heck of allot longer than that…
What I'm getting at...
…is that I’m pretty sure THE PLAYOFFS are in Garth Snow’s sight’s EVERY YEAR.
1. He put together a playoff caliber team last year. Even with all the injuries and the coaching mistake(?) they performed at a playoff level from 12/16 on.
2. You have to evaluate the team against where it was given the resources available to make it better. I think Snow has made some mistakes, but I don’t really know what some of his options were in those situations. So he may have done the best thing given the information at the time. You also have to factor in his limited access to high level UFAs… and I no longer blame Wang for that.
3. “How long do you think a rebuild should take?” (This may become a fan post.) I think it’s done. But I define REBUILD as rebuilding the culture of the team. The comitment to building through the draft. The allowing of selected players to develop and mature into NHL productive players and the building of a TEAM ATMOSPHERE with respect to the organization is something we haven’t had in 30 years. The foundation has been built with kids like Okposo, Bailey, Tavares, Nino, Nielson, Strome, Hamonic, Macdonald, Nelson, Lee and Martin. We can’t mark time by playoffs… let’s mark it by games like the february penguin slaughter…let’s mark it by playing +.500 hockey for two months with more injuries than front line battalion… let’s mark time by not throwing out the developmental value of a full draft when to some it appears that we have all the in house pieces we need. This is going to be a team that will draft and cultivate it’s core and it’s leaders for years to come… and I’m happy with “the rebuild” right now.
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"How long do you think a rebuild should take?" (This may become a fan post.) I think it’s done. But I define REBUILD as rebuilding the culture of the team.
So true. I know you’re down here in VA, so you’ve seen it happen with the Caps. It’s night and day from even just five years ago. The one thing I would say that we need to have happen also (that happened with the Caps), is for the culture to change at Bridgeport too. Anyone playing there last year probably didn’t want to head to the rink a fair number of nights. The guys who come to the Caps from Hershey have come from a culture of winning and expect nothing less. I think the Isles need this to happen, especially with a lot of the better prospects headed there in the next couple of years.
Exactly...
…what I was thinking. The Hershey → DC transition is what you want to see. That will come in time. I want to see an Islander team where a guy like Mayfield can get two years in the bridge without the big team flinching. Hamonic didn’t even get two months. How about being able to hide Sheldon Souray for 40 games… “I’ll play in Hershey because if I do well I might geta chance as a 5/6 guy on a cup contender… which could get my career back on track”… when you can replace Hershey with Bridgeport Garth Snow will have the luxury of smoking a big fatty cigar with his feet on his desk… for ten minutes.
The culture has changed on the Island, and I think throughout the organization… but the talent hasn’t gotten deep enough to where you could say that Bridgeport is “ready”. The Islanders are still VERY health dependent… and that goes back to the end of the Milbury regime, to the beginning of the Snow days where they were still content with a thin layer of possible playoff contending talent.
So…yes… the REBUILD, in theory, is done. 3 years wasn’t such a long time to wait for that… the folks expecting to see “results” like playoff series wins may have over-blown expectations. The “TALENT” on this team is still under 25 at it’s core. JT is 21!!! That’s a lot to ask from a team with no real on-ice leadership with playoff experience. That’s why I want to see Streit made captain over Okposo…. even Frans would be a better choice. I’m also looking forward to what a Marty Reasoner will bring.
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You are talking to a 37 year old Isles fan who never witnessed a championship team.
I was into hockey right after the Cups…So I have been very patient and I watch all of their games and I take pleasurein simple things and to see all of those moments you spoke about…BUT It isnt good enough to NOT go for it anymore…They need to bring excitement back to the Coliseum for once…. Winning will do that…If this team is a lottery team again I will be pissed the fuck off…NO MORE EXCUSES…This team is good enough to make it of they solidify the goalie and defense situation…if they allow DP to lose games just because of his contract It would be fucked up….
I feel your pain...
…but our rewards [hopefully] will be an extended period of success. We haven’t had ANY [playoff series win] in over 15 years… so if they put out a great effort, and it appears that the kids have taken another step… and we solve the goaltending puzzle for a while… win… win.. WIN. They will win many playoff series’ in the future.
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Thanks for voting "YES" on Aug 1st... just not enough of you!!!
But we are almost there NOW...Putting it off for another season would really suck...
What are we waiting for???The playoffs teams who rebuilt like we are supposedly doing it ended up making the neccasary moves when it was time…It is TIME, IMHO…
I guess we can agree to disagree but to say that Im being unrealistic isnt fair…Maybe my patience is running thin…Its time to make Isles fans proud, Garth! It would also help the arena cause…Losing will not help the ultimate situation with the arena…
also, if garth decides to wait another year or 2 to finally take that next step...
…they will be playing in another state somewhere…Time is of the essence here on Long Island…That would be fucked up beyond fucked up…Lets get er done!!!
That's just the point...
…i don’t think it’s in Garth’s hands. What moves are available… we just don’t know. You can try to get a top 6 forward, but who will sign for a year when next year we’ll have Strome, Kabanov and Nino competing for that role.
…He already tried to get a top 4 defender via UFA and ehrhoff took the Buffalo cash/term instead. If he wants one of those now it will most likely cost him 2 considerable assets… which might be acceptable, but still has to be available.
…What can he do about the goaltending, call Jeff galluli?
It’s just a case of planting seeds and watching them grow. I think he’s done a good job planting, we just have to hope that it all comes together.
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Thanks for voting "YES" on Aug 1st... just not enough of you!!!
by JPinVA on Aug 28, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
…i don’t think it’s in Garth’s hands. What moves are available… we just don’t know.
Yup. We cant just say to make a move- the moves available so far might not benefit the Isles. 29 other teams are looking to make themselves better, not us.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 28, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Im happy with what Garth has assembled.
I think he can make it happen tho…Im not a GM and I dont know what can be done but where there’s a will there’s a way…
I am the same age as you, but I got into hockey later than you. I have never even seen a series win.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 27, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely not with our goalie situation, and arguably not with our defensive situation.
Playoffs is a lot to ask when 6 out of 18(33%) of your projected starting skaters on the roster last year had “major” surgery or missed over 20gms(rolston 17) last year due to injuries(8 out of 20 when you take 2 goalies into account-40%). And when you’re goalie situation has big question marks too, the 1 most important position on the ice in terms of play effecting the outcome of a game. It’s too much to expect the playoffs with this going on. If the circumstances were different, I’d agree with you. But we just can’t “expect” the playoffs with how the team is looking right now.
So answer the questions...Every year there will be issues but Garth needs to find a way to over come these issues...
Its called MANAGING..If they don’t answer the questions and fill in the holes then those same issues will always be there… Actually, there will be other issues piling on top of those existing issues…It would be insane not to do anything about it…
But for that to happen this year, it would take drastic moves.
With a combination of 2 of these happening for that to happen:
-DP being sent to the ahl and garth signing/trading for another $5mil/yr d-man or forward and obtaining at minimum an average quality goaltender. OR ahl/buyout Montoya and bring in a better quality goaltender(montoya has no track record and is coming off surgery).
-Loading up more on offense by trading a couple high picks and a decent prospect/player for a quality top 6 forward.
-Loading up more on defense by trading a couple high picks and a decent prospect/player for a quality top 4 d-man.
It’s just not realistic to expect Garth to create a 3-headed monster in the ahl for that to happen or mortgage high draft picks and good player/prospect(s) just for a higher chance of making the playoffs next year but still a low chance of winning the cup. It’s not smart to hurt the rebuild at the cost of quicker results, but in the longterm lesser results.
You guys are making excuses for us not to make the playoffs...I guess its better than getting your hopes up...
I guess being an Isles fan is being a pessimist, eh???
I believe they can do what needs to be done to make it to the playoffs…We have offense and we have some solid young defenseman…All I think we need is to be hard nosed about the goalie situation, no more giving away games to DP and add another top veteran d-man to help Streit out and we are on our way…It might sound simpler than it is but it is possible…
You say pessimistic, but I'm actually trying to go at this as levelheaded as possible. That way I can "gauge" our playoff chances.
As I’ve broken down team expectations before, I try and do it as realistic as possible with very little to no isles fan “inflation”. lol
If I had to guess as our team sits right now, do we make the playoffs? I’d say that chance is below 50%. I just don’t think the offense can make up for the goalie inadequacies, and the defense is at best average right now, which certainly isn’t enough to make up for the goaltending issues either. Hardnosed about it isn’t enough right now though. DP is going to get at least 25starts next year barring injuries(even as a backup), Montoya is coming back from surgery and we have no idea if last year was a fluke or not but Garth wanted to take that chance(Montoya was once a 3rd string ahl goalie), Nabakov is no savior, and Poulin needs ahl time/is coming back from a knee surgery of his own(MIkko isn’t ready, and Nilsson needs to get used to North American rinks/angles before he gets thrown to the NHL).
I think bringing in a good top 4 d-man would make a world of difference to start next season. Long term he may not be needed(unless he is and shoulders great) because of what we have in the ahl and nhl next year(A-mac/Hamonic/Donovan/DeHaan), but if we wanted to make the playoffs next year, a guy who can reliably eat 21mins/gm+ would be excellent. And imo, change our playoff chances from below 50% to above 50%.
I don’t think we are far off from being a playoff team, it’s just that sub par goaltending and injury-questioned/prone(knock on wood) average at best(likely) defense can be a huge problem. The goaltending thing has a stranglehold on us because of the questions and uncertainty’s. If we had just gone into next season with less question marks, it would be different, but it is what it is.
there's two ways to look at it
Half-empty: Have the Isles improved enough relative to the other teams in the conference? We have a lot of ground to make up. We were only one point removed from the confernce basement. The closest thing on the roster to a proven #1 goalie refused to report to the team last season, is 36, and super-rusty. We didn’t sign a “name” and were spurned by a few notable FAs. We’re a very young team. Were some strong performers flukes? Will the team finally remain healthy: Mark Streit, Rick DiPietro, and Kyle Okposo in particular?
Half-full: A lot of other teams either didn’t fill their holes, or created new ones. We lost nobody of note and added valuable veteran depth. We have any number of talented prospects ready to step in, a deep defensive unit, and multiple options in net, at least one of whom should prove to be a legit starting-calibre goalie. We then have the depth to trade for deadline help to push for the playoffs or even improve to contention. Recently, any playoff seed has proven to be a legitimate threat to win their conference and play for the Cup: this was the first year since 2007 that a bottom-three seed was not in either Conference Final. The East, in particular, has been very strong top-to-bottom: Philly (7th seed) and Montreal (8th seed) made the CF in 2010; Carolina (6th) in 2009; Philly again (6th) in 2008; Edmonton (8th), Calgary (6th), and Anaheim (6th) all took the Finals to seven games from 2003-2006. Many players already on the roster look to be legitimate candidates to make large improvements.
As the cliche goes, that’s why they play the games. I lean towards the optimistic side for a lot of reasons. I really think this team resembles the 1993 team, that wasn’t expected before the season to be any threat – lots of scoring depth, a truly dynamic #1 center, better-than-advertised young defense. There’s no reason why the Islanders can’t be the surprise of 2011-2012. The big disclaimer is – it’s not all in their control. If they miss the playoffs it’s not that we were “unwilling to take the next step” or “lacking in willpower.” It could just be that the other teams play a little better, or a million people get hurt again.
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If DP gets 25 starts only because of his contract then we continue to be a laughing stock...
I hate the Rangers and I’m not saying they are doing it right over there…But at least when they made a mistake such as signing Redden they sent him away…They didn’t allow him to be a detriment to the teams goals…If DP is playing below par he shouldn’t get any starts…If they continue to stick him in there regardless of his performance that doesn’t send the right message to the rest of the team….
I’m satisfied with how Garth has handled the draft, his core, and how hes handled this rebuild…Now its time to solidify the goalie situation…I hope that DP comes out and plays like he was capable of but if he doesn’t then Garth needs to make the hard decision of demoting him…That’s his job…
Watch what Girardi does with AJ Burnett…That guy has underachieved to say the least and he gets paid #2 starter money…But he will be in the bullpen…Girardi will do what he feels needs to be done to WIN…I want the Isles to start acting the same…
I understand where you are coming from, but it's highly unlikely that DP is ahled or benched:
-We don’t have the salary room above the floor to demote DP.
-It would cost us a roster spot benching DP, meaning on road trips with an injury(or more, knock on wood), we only have 1-forward/none or 1-d-man/none backup to use.
-DP is on the hook for another X(XX?)years, so they’d rather run him to the ground or convince him to retire if he’s really bad, because how bad we finished last year(even with injuries taken a little into account).
If you're right then we are not committed to winning...If you're right we continue to be ranked on and laughed at around the league...
I swear, if this shit continues I hope in my next life I’m a Wings fan….lol
lol, I guess you could argue these decisions are in Wang's/Snow's hands.
And how he handled the offseason spoke for what the team is looking to do. If the playoffs were really on his mind, I think he would have gave some “really good” free agent big money to come here for 1 year or pulled some bad contract with a year or 2 left on it here that is still a good player to put us over the edge or even built up our 4th line a little more(Reasoner is good, but 1 more Reasoner type would have been really excellent). But he didn’t do it. I think after Ehrhoff fell through(possibly others), he just mellowed out and played it smart and laid back, just looking for whatever scraps he can to frankenstein a projected playoff bubble team. Reasoner was a great under the radar signing, Rolston was a smart move, but 1 Rolston and 1 Reasoner(even with Streit’s addittion and less injuries), doesn’t turn a team that was 1pt away from being 15th in the East to a playoff team.
If Garth really wanted us to make the playoffs he would have looked into giving one or more of these players an solidly overpaid 1-2yr deal:
-Vokoun
-Kaberle
-Vrbata (Imagine him on JT’s RW putting up 25goals/60pts)
-Ward(Joel)
-Gagne
-Upshall(can play both wings)
Or if Garth tried plucking one or 2 of these guys that are overpaid but only have 1-2yrs left on their contract:
-Regehr
-Liles
-Kubina
-Bouwmeester “maybe”
-Vanek “maybe”
-Elias
and others
And not only would that have helped put us over the edge, but would give us room to ahl DP if need be.
Maybe Garth has something up his sleeve though, who knows. But right now, I just don’t see the team as is going into the season as a should be playoff team.
Disappointing but realistic. I wasn't expecting garth to do what he needed to do to have us projected as the 7th seed in the east to start the season.
But that’s fine. If almost everything breaks right, we should be right at that 8th seed. And if garth makes a mid-season trade(for better or worse longterm) to bring another piece for us to make the playoffs at a lower cost, even better. I’m just not expecting that or the playoffs, but I still think we have a shot at making the playoffs, just not a great one.
by OzzyFan on Sep 1, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't get me wrong...
I am realistic…I know we’re on the bubble…We have a shot at making the playoffs…I’d say its about 50/50, as of now, to make the 8th spot…But if I were the GM I’d be doing everything in my power to improve those chances…If nothing changes before the season starts hopefully by mid season something can be done to give us that final push…
Agreed. It's pretty evident garth cant attract great players through free agency to sign here fairly or sign here at all.
It is really time for garth to do something about that soon. Even moreso when you realize how many isles prospects are hitting the nhl in the next couple years. We should definitely move some short term pieces for a better player if possible. Not suggesting, but an example would be something like comeau and pap for a 30goal scorer or a true 20-25goal power forward(think a backes-lite/lucic-lite type) or good top 4 shutdown/offensive d-man. Turning 2 lower pieces into a higher valued/better piece.
by OzzyFan on Sep 1, 2011 11:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Can't forget the Cap factor
There’s no denying that after taking the helm, Capuano connected with the players and lit a spark after the slump. Most (all?) knew him well from Bridgeport or as an AC under Nolan, and he had been teaching the go-go Gordon system for a few years and was able to tweak it a bit to increase its effectiveness. You can argue that he’s not in the same league as other available coaches with playoff/Cup wins, but I maintain that he was the right coach for this Islanders team.
This reworked system kept the Islanders to a great post-slump record, and—I don’t really have the stats on this—it seems that mangames lost to injury were down from Scott Gordon’s record-breaking pace. Plus, the players bought into the system, young and veteran. I think that some measure of the Islanders’ success this year will come from whether Capuano can continue to develop his young players, gel his team, milk their full effort, keep the groin and lower-body injuries (and all injuries) to a minimum, and effectively implement his system, and I think Cap’s role in the playoff equation can’t be overlooked.
I agree
Great post. I feel that this team most definitely has the talent, experience (in the fact that most of the top two lines has played together for the last 2-3 years) and most of call, THE COACH. I think Cappy is gonna be something special for this team, the way they gelled and played for him last year certainly caught my eye.
I think the other thing that has to be considered (and this was brought up last week in another post) was teams that are on the decline in our conference. PITT comes to mind in that it looks like the Isles won’t be seeing Crosby(lingering concussion effects) and Malkin is coming off his knee injury. Another plus would be the team somehow learning to beat Philadelphia… that would be a huge mental victory.
If the Islanders can avoid the mid-season losing streaks of the pass few years and the devastating injuries that have plagued this team the last 3 years, there’s no reason why we can’t look at a 6-8 playoff spot.
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FNGO
OK, so maybe this comment should have been posted a few days ago in the post regading line combos but it ties in here a bit I think.
I see in everyones posts regarding scoring and line combos that the FNGO is a favorite on this site. I don’t see that line staying together this year at least I hope not. Okposo needs to be moved up to the 1st line. PA is a good player but is not good enough to make that first line what it could and should be. Everyone seems to be under rating Rolstons speed and skill. We have all been soured by the old man in skates with weight, witt and all the others that have come here to close out a career by helping the isles with some leadership and cap hit. But this guy can skate. I see him on the frans grbs line making this line one of the fastest in hockey if not the fastest. Move PA to the 4th line with reasnor and martin or haley (I’m fine with either) and throw nino on that line with bailey and comes. The idea of the crashing 4th line can be tossed. We should have 4 lines this year that can score. That should help our goalie situation more then anything.
Molson – Tavares – Okposo
Grabs – Neilsen – Rolston
Comeau – Bailey – Nino
Martin – Reasnor – Parentau
D break down seems obvious if their all healthy.
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by Niagara Islander77 on Aug 24, 2011 10:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
lines...
i agree that KO needs to step up and play first line minutes w JT and MM. Although I agree that Parenteau is not a 1st line winger, he scored 20 goals last season. I think he’s earned 2nd or 3rd line consistency. moving him to the 4th line is seen as a slap in the face.
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I think you have to stick with what works. If it no longer works, you can look to something else. FnGO WORKS. Full Stop. It’s the Yin to JT’s (line’s) Yang. It’s the straw that stirs the drink. I can go on and on, but you get my drift.
I expect PAP to produce on the first line like he did last year. If he does not, then give Nino or Strome a shot there.
STOP effin' messin' with my FnGO!!
by Nova Scotia Isles Fan on Aug 24, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome, Niagara!
Fantastic first post.
I’m not opposed to breaking up FNGO, though for slightly different reasons. (Not a mistrust of PAP, rather just a preference for them to grab any 12-man combo that works.) The Comeau-Bailey pair is an extreme wild card.
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Yeah, JT and MM could use his defense on their line, but there is also the dilemma of messing with Grabs chemsitry there or PAP, so I don't know.
I’m not opposed to either,
"or PAP's chemistry on the 1st line".
“I’m not opposed to either, but I’d prefer Okposo with JT/MM for a number of reasons(one being evening out the corsi’s on that line and seeing what Okposo could do in more of a scoring role, and this is possible with Rolston who can fill in the 2nd line spot).
Keep in mind that Nielson and Grabs were doing just fine without KO...
KO did make that line a heck of allot better…Bhe would also make the top line a heck of allot better….
by KO21 on Aug 24, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know what to make of Parenteau
PAP was clearly a good fit there with Tavs and Moulson.. almost like a brother-in-law… but how much of that was driven by those two guys? They were fairly successful the season before, without him. Okposo was strong in ‘09-’10, second on the team in points despite striking more iron than John Henry. I really think PAP gets more out of being there than JT and Maty get from him being there, if that makes sense.
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Pap is really good at skating the puck into the offensive zone to get the offense started for Moulson and Taveras...
But Okposo is good at that too, he’s fantastic along the boards, and he is really good defensively…I also think KO has more potential as a goal scorer…He lit the lamp 19 times 2 yrs ago…Okposto needs to finish allot more and if he does, he can become a 30 goal scorer making that top line a serious force to be reckoned with…
Simply switching PA and KO
…would put two setup men with Grabner. A little soft, but they may be able to light the lamp a lot, so long as they are not too one-dimensional.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 25, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
full camp under Cappy
I think the players will have a better season due to the coach. I think he is well liked and his system is better for our talent. I think Nino will look different in Capuano system during preseason games
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by Rickfansince76 on Aug 24, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
I still say its an uphill climb this year...
Defense isn’t particularly deep w/ Hillen, Marty and Bruno gone. Goaltending is, IMO, shaky, w/ Poulin likely our best option night in and out. Ricky D is done…I’m in agreement w/ those who say they’ll believe when they see – personally I’m all for him earning the right to be back up in B’port. Not a lot of faith in Nabby – I do like Montoya as a backup. With all that said, i don’t see a true 1 among that bunch (though Poulin may grow into one).
Offensively, I think we’re fine, and our special teams are okay. Both a playoff caliber IMO.
Coaching is an X factor – we’ll see how Cappy adjust to having the team for the whole schedule. No December swoons like this team seems to do, and they’ll be in the hunt for the 7 or 8 seed all year long…
My 2 pence.
Three plans that Snow must have figured were better options
Plan:
A) Sign the right UFA for the right price
B) Trade that fits, but will not over pay b/c we have plan C as a backup
C) Go with the kids, some combo of the following get their shot: Wishart, De Haan, Donovan, Klementyev, Katic.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 25, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Garth let Hillen go...
…after Ehrhoff and the other good FA defensemen were signed. If he thought Hillen would have been good as 6th or 7th, he would have kept him. Therefore, I think Garth has more faith in Wishart/deHaan/Donovan than most of us do (and health of vets).
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 25, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I hope Garth is right...If that's what hes thinking...
This is the 5th year since Garth started his rebuild…Its time to go for it…I understand that Garth has certain handicaps…But enough excuses…
Your excuses are your own.
Katic
Is a little bigger version of Hillen I think. I like Katic alot actually.
Constantly building for the future.
They're about the same size, 5'10'' 190lbs~. And katic has a lot more to prove if he wants to be put on the same level as Hillen.
by OzzyFan on Aug 26, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But I do think Katic is a more explosive...
…skater than Hillen. Not as fluid, perhaps, but it seems he can get going awfully quickly.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 26, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
im tired of talking
i want to see some action
montoya can be a #1 guy
jurcina is deff a top 4 D-man
their PP when clicking, will be very hard to defend this year
streit and okoposo being back full time will be more than helpfull
upgraded 4th line big plus
and if anyone touches the first 2 lines they should be shot ! if KO doesnt play with frans and grabs i think he should be with bailey, they have some good mojo together and thats how a line makes sweet music but im sure everyone will think im crazy
by LETS GO ISLANDERS!!! on Aug 24, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
thats all we can do in August
but I hear you. like usual the Mets are out of it, so I am extremely anxious to start seeing some Islander action
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by Rickfansince76 on Aug 24, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the optimism, but it's ultimately all going to come down to the goalies and d-men.
D-men (in no particular order):
1.Streit-How good can he comeback? Can we expect the same 2-way play we saw from him in the past? Can we expect 10goals/45pts? I hope so.
2. Eaton-Can he still be relied on as a #4 d-man after his injury? Is he even still capable of a bottom 2 role? I expect him to do well in a bottom 2 role, not sure more then that.
3. Jurcina-Injured on and off last year, team did great with him in the lineup but corsi argues he did more harm then good as a bottom 2 d-man. Paired with Eaton(or Mottau for that matter), I expect decent bottom pairing play from him.
4. Mottau-Coming back from injury, pre-injury his stats say he was a good/decent bottom 2 d-man. Can we expect that if he’s back? Hopefully and likely, but health is a big question with his eye and leg.
5. Wishart-Played amazing in a bottom 2 role last year, according to stats. He should be able to excel in a bottom 2 role, or possibly even do well in a top 4 role(that isn’t overbearing on him given his experience in the nhl. He is a wildcard, but with what he did in the nhl last year, we can hope. But this guy is the biggest gamechanger for us this season because what he “could” be capable of, imo.
6. A-mac-also coming back from injury, what to expect?
7. Hamonic-The top 4 rookie d-man phenomenon. Wanna hear something scary, he beyond excelled last year in a top 4 shutdown role, he was ranked 35th among all starting d-men for the toughest quality of competition faced too. And to toot his horn even more, he was on the verge of a 7goal/34pts season in his rookie year in 2nd PP unit minutes. That pts total would have put his as, ironically, 35th in pts among d-men in the nhl. Can he repeat and get better? Likely, but not sure if he will get better next year. But Hamonic “could” really be the Isles future #1 d-man if he gets his offense together/repeats and learns how to man a point. We saw the monster slapper, we saw the defensive abilities(hopefully not overly padded by A-mac, and according to corsi, not likely), and we know what he is capable of.
8.Donovan/DeHaan-2 big prospects that should be getting their ahl seasoning this year. Eventual call-ups and hopefully productive nhlers. Not a ton of weight is on their shoulder unless injuries(knock on wood) happen to one of our top 4 d-men or if one of our top 4 d-men are underperforming. Can they be productive nhlers mid-season is likely the big question? Hopefully is the logical answer.
9. Is there random top 4 d-man XXXXXXXXX being added? Would it help? Yes, more then one would think because of our injury-plagued d-core, but is it likely is the question?
Goalies: (in no particular order)
1. Montoya-coming off surgery. Was mostly sub-par in his ahl career before he was brought here. Overperformed, but in a small sample of play. Now coming off injury, what the hell should we expect? Personally, average at best goaltending as a starter imo.
2. Nabokov-Don’t expect much, even if he stays with the team to start the season.
3. DP-An offseason without an injury or surgery or rehab. This could be our lucky year. But given what he did overall last year, even average play from him next year would be a miracle. Logically expect sub-par but bearable goalkeeping from him if he can stay healthy.
4. Poulin-coming off surgery, let him get his “rehab” starts in the ahl and continue to solidify his game there. Don’t rush the “likely” future #1 goaltender of the team. Possibly expect a call-up eventually, but hopefully and not likely until at least December.
5.Mikko-Definitely needs more ahl seasoning.
Otherwise as stated by numerous people(as above info has been in other words). Our offense should be great, our PK should be great, and our PP should be above average so it all lies on the shoulders of the D and goalies.
Goalie omission:
6. Nilsson. You cannot not include him, he is definitely part of this picture
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 24, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He says he will be in North America-
I have no idea WTF they are going to do with all these guys, though.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 24, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Great summary
It boils down to Goals against being less than goals for – and I don’t see the number being positive – thus a 10 – 12 finish.
another note to add:
i get the feeling that every team in the league is still going to treat the isles like a joke. well, good. when they’re unprepared for the unexpected, it’s only going to be a whole heck of a lot sweeter. we need to remember that this team is a blue-collar, hard-working, grind-it-out, need i say more hyphens? team. this team likes playing for capuano. he gets them to play and allows them to still get creative. this is exactly the type of hockey fans deserve to root for. i believe most of my nights spent at home watching the isles this season will be well worth it (followed by a celebratory beverage at the local drinking saloon, while boasting to my fellow rangers fans and engaging in rants on why devils fans know nothing about hockey and don’t deserve a team by properly citing how they fail to sell out a game 7 stanley cup final).
umm…i just said that out loud didn’t i?
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by gukid17 on Aug 24, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I sure hope so
We could use a good month or two of catching everyone napping, racking up some extra Ws in the process.
I figured it out!!!
Bailey and Nabokov to Red Wings for Kronwall or Stuart and a pick.
Maybe Isles get Stuart for that
Kronwall would be a dream for that price.
by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 25, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Bailey for................
A top 2 stay at home big D + a 2 pik or a prospect. This would help clear out the crease in front of an injury riddled, porous and uncertain goalie situation.
If you dont think Bailey is worth keeping
Then why the heck would some other team give up a top 2 defenseman for him and a pick? It makes no sense.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Sep 7, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
To get something you have to give up something.......
a famous saying. I like Bailey, but I think we have a surplus of talent at forward and an inadequate Defense. Another team may have the opposite problem. To me this makes sense. Frankly that what trading is all about in Sports, sometimes its about money and sometimes its an exchange of talent.

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