Our Islanders-Brooklyn (and Queens) thread, which will continue for 4 years
It appears there is enough flying around today about the Nets' (lack of) interest in, and the under-construction [English bank of some sort] Center's ability to host, a pro hockey team such as the New York Islanders -- enough buzz that we owe ourselves a separate thread on the topic.
Alternative scenarios are going to pop up for the foreseeable future, usually without major updates behind them. It's just the nature of the thing.
Once again today the Brooklyn arena's CEO Brett Yormark said the arena could host ice hockey, but with a limited capacity (~14,500). Once again today Mikhail Prokhorov's representatives have told reporters that he has no interest in adding another sports team "at this time." At. This. Time.
Those who have followed sports ownership and franchise movement long enough to know better, know this means mostly nothing. The Islanders are not for sale and are tied to Nassau Coliseum up to 2015, so an owner who might want to lease his arena to them or poach the team on the cheap is not going to tip his hand in 2011. Remember, Prokhorov was also quite cagey in his pursuit of the Nets. That doesn't mean he's interested -- just that if he ever might be interested, he's certainly not going to show his hand now.
Who is showing their hand? Well, Queens Chamber of Commerce for one. Brooklyn civic leaders, for another. And Nassau Democrat Jay Jacobs, for one more. Those people have reason to beat the drum now. Not to go all PR 101 on this, but it's leverage. Public figures tip their hand, or leak their interests, at the time that is best suited to attain (or at least further progress toward) those interests. For Prokhorov -- and for Wang, incidentally, the day after the referendum defeat -- that time is not now.
Sit tight and don't sweat reports today or tomorrow because this saga? It's going to take a while.
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Returning to Our Regularly Scheduled Hockey Diversion: In which we read and discuss the Hockey Prospectus ranking that puts the Islanders system at #2 in the NHL.
Brooklyn, Part 1: In which commenters have fun riffing on the hipster requirements for future Brooklyn-based Islanders fans.
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Nick Hirshon
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Will discuss potential Islanders relocation to Queens on Power Play radio show at 5:30 today. Tune in at wcwpsports.org #VoteYesAug1 #Isles
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Mangano Presser @2pm
That didn’t take long for Plan B
by deeco on Aug 2, 2011 1:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's not plan B
Mangano’s press conference is going to look into RFPs for the Coliseum site. I’m expecting someone will pitch the world’s biggest Best Buy as a prime resident for that area.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
The referundum was a farce.
This a**hole had this thing setup for failure so he can come out clean and tell everyone he’s not responsible for the Islanders leaving. People of NC had a say, blah, blah, blah.
I really feel for Wang, he’s been played by both sides for much too long to want to try anything else with these imbeciles.
I certainly would like for him to have an arena in the Metro area, I just think it’s not feasible with the renovated MSG and the new Russian oligarch’s toy. By the way, Prohorov’s agenda may be a disingenuous one as well. He says he’s not a fan of hockey, yet on numerous occasions he’s been seen mingling with Fetisov (former Minister of Sport in Russia from 2002 to 2008.) who’s heavily involved in the KHL.
I doubt Bettman would want to have an enemy within its ranks, but who knows: stranger things have happened.
All I know, I’m worried, very very worried.
You mean farther away from mass transit and the population centers? Brilliant!
by AP77 on Aug 2, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Easy brother
just an idea……
Although Western Suffolk is only 25 minutes East of Uniondale, depending on where it’s located.
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Without traffic 25 minutes
to get to a 7pm game, 2 hours.
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lol no problem my man
we are on the same team!! Like Comeau to Bailey (You wanna be Bailey?) :)
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by CharlieIsles on Aug 3, 2011 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What
does farther away from population centers mean ?
Pilgrim state
Pilgrim State is at exit 53 of the LIE same Exit as The Sagkitgos parkway. Not to mention a stones throw from the Deer Park train station. There is shuttle service from there to Tanger outlets, why not put a Tram type system to connect all three. best spot IMO
They are building a huge new development there
It just got approved. Heartland Town Center or something like that. Pretty much the LHP without the arena.
Vote Yes on August 1st.
I don't agree
Mangano worked hard to get it passed and even accused by Jay Jacobs of “rigging” the election for a Yes, and was accused of illegal advertising for the Yes Vote…. He would have been happy as heck to be responsible for saving the Islanders and rejuvenating the area. It’s not over and I think Ed wants to be the guy who saved the Islanders. If it weren’t for Jay Jacobs late last week stealthy smear campaign against a vote for yes, in which he targeted senior citizens with automated phone calls in the week leading up to the election, it could have turned out differently.
Point well taken.
However, even if the referendum had a positive outcome in terms of votes. There were two major hurdles to overcome: first, the super-majority in the legislature (not a given); second, the NIFA (definitely high likelihood of failure.) We will never know how passionately he’d have fought for the Islanders cause there, considering the shaky ground of his popularity.
Furthermore, in my eyes, the fact that he came out the very next day with a new proposal makes the whole exercise very suspect. He knows there will be multiple bids for that property, why wouldn’t he offer it to Charles again based on the Lighthouse RFP win?
Correct.
Town of Hempstead doesn’t want Democrats moving in to those middle-income co-ops.
Vote Yes, dammit!
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Aug 2, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't current NC Execitive a Republican?
How is that an issue, if he’s the one to offer it to Charles based on previously won Lighthouse RFP?
But Kate Murray has final say on zoning.
I don’t think she’s going to cave to Mangano or anyone else.
Vote Yes, dammit!
by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Aug 2, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought they finally came out with the zoning in June.
At least that’s what Wang mentioned on the Francesa show last week.
He can probably base the development according to that.
They did
The zoning is finalized. That may have been what brought on this referendum…I’m not sure though.
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by Keith Quinn on Aug 2, 2011 9:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've gotta say
If I were Charles Wang, I’d sue the piss out of Nassau County. They are denying him the opportunity to profit off of his investment and blocking every attempt he makes to work with them. No wonder the Milsteins tried to break the lease – the County leaders are a bunch of tools.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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I don't think that's grounds to sue
Generally you can sue if a govt body takes action that render your property completely economically worthless—that’s called a regulatory taking under the 5th Amendment, and you’re entitled to compensation. That’s not really happening here. Wang can still profit by leasing the Coliseum and owning the Islanders (he just isn’t), and he’s certainly free to profit by moving the team elsewhere. Plus, if rights are negotiated away in a contract you have recourse only in a scant few situations that haven’t occurred here. The biggest deterrent has to be that suing Nassau, TOH, or its pols is the last thing you’d want as that just pisses off all involved, pisses off citizens, and forces the public to foot the expensive time/energy to fight the suit. Wang could have challenged the TOH’s Hub zoning, but it’s a fairly (impossibly) high bar to meet. (or i may be wrong—it’s been a few years since i knew this crud)
Well, few years since you knew it or not
Thanks for the insight!
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How can Wang lease the Coliseum?
He doesn’t own the building. The Islanders are tenants plain and simple. If I remember it correctly, they don’t even have the right to the revenue they generate themselves, much less what Ringling Brothers or what-have-you will bring in.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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THREE VIABLE OPTIONS
1. BELMONT: With the casino and hotel it really could be the best option. For all those who don’t think that is DOABLE because of space, you think in 2D…. and may forget the amount of barns that are there. They could very easily lease some land further east on hempstead turnpike to build new barns. .. and we really would have THE NEW BARN!
2. BROOKLYN: Not on LI. Not part of a $2B development project, and not leveraged on the success of the NY Islanders. 14K seats, with sold out luxury boxes and top notch concessions will make more revenue than the NVMC ever could… without having to pay off the debt service. It would give the current group 41+ more dates. Wang would need to negotiate a good deal and he would be FREE. If he doesn’t kill himself in teh negotiations the Islanders would be sellable again. Making a smaller venue seemed to have worked for the Mets… until Madhoff.
3. Learn French!
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Don't forget to vote "YES" on Aug 1st!!!
#3 reminds me of my Slovakian aunt (by marriage)
“Learn Cesky!” she kept repeating to Mrs. Lighthouse, since Slovakian was obviously out of the question. “Learn Cesky!”
This did not go over well, as we weren’t even supposed to stay with them but for one of those Old World familial “they will be insulted if you do not stay with them” obligations, which seemed designed only to create further obligation on our part later on, when all we wanted to do was explore Prague on our own time.
That’s neither here nor there. Just thought I’d let you know you channeled a weird memory for me.
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oh great - and what you made me think of
by 2015, the Islanders will be part of the new European division
including London, Paris, Frankfurt, Madrid, Milan – and the Islanders new home in Prague….
Then we'll never get any sleep
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I wouldn't even selfishly hope for that.
But I might for an early season game somewhere in Central Europe.
Now you're talking...
LHH road trip!
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brooklyn is part of LI
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by garik16 on Aug 2, 2011 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Geographically... you are correct.
So they don’t have to change the logo that much… but I’’m guessing they might have to become the Coney Islanders and their will be a little roller-coaster on the emblem.
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Why would they need to change the logo at all?
Brooklyn is in the logo.
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Pitchf/x enthusiast.
It's actually not - the logo actually cuts off at the county line
With Roscoe manning the patrol car on the other side.
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I think TMC
actually recreated the logo a few months back including Brooklyn and Queens in it.
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by TheMetalChick on Aug 3, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
well, it all fits in the circle
Now you need to add a giant middle finger pointed at Nassau County.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Aug 4, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ahhhhh
Glad to see my mind is not as shot as I think it is!!!!!
"If the bell needs to be answered, we've got the guys to answer it." "If they want to start something, that's fine."- Trevor Gillies
Well...
…maybe.
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barclay center
i dont know if anyone of u guys have been in that area lately, but it is a thriving and very rich area now… tons of reg open minded pep that would love to walk to a daily home night game… i almost bought an apartment there bc i know this area will increase even more in value in the comming years..
bottom line.. a move to brooklyn would bring a whole new fan base and trust me there are alot of families with young children who are begging for a favorite team and if u put them blocks away from their backyard it will be the islanders.. people will flock to the arena regardless it will be the hottest tixx in brooklyn.. why do u think the NETS are moving there!!! its a no brainer
access to this arena is sick…location is awsome public transportation to the arena is easy for most
by LETS GO ISLANDERS!!! on Aug 4, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I grew up a mile away from Atlantic ave..
The transit hub is new and accommodates all train lines (NYC Transit) and LIRR. However parking in Brooklyn is impossible. Does the Barclay Center have parking as part of the arena?
Also Atlantic Ave Flatbush and 4th ave all meet and is a traffic nightmare now add in a game day traffic it would be horrible.
That being said I want them in Brooklyn if they have to move out of Nassau (I live in CT now).
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At. This. Time.
“At. This. Time.” which translates to “Not. While. Under. Lease. At. NVMC.”
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
by Hockey1919 on Aug 2, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
WP might be the toughest sell....
Much like with the LHP the team would be in a lease agreement that will probably have them in huge debt throughout their existance. The LHP offset that by the owner making his money from the development of the surrounding property. I don’t think they are going to let Wang into the big boy’s club just cause they want a winter tenant…. they’ll have plenty of winter tenants… all the homeless people that live at Barclay’s when the Nets aren’t playing will be out at WP when they are.
The only way that works is if Wang/Rechler win the redevelopment bid… and you know that’s no guarentee.
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Stuck between a vague rock and an ambiguously hard place
Yeah, these civic and Chamber of Commerce guys, they’re good at drumming up the quotes but I question whether they ever bother to clear Wang’s credentials with the big boys. And then who knows what the Russian really wants or thinks, but I doubt it’s to be charitable.
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Queens
Should the Islanders first choice.
The area between Citi Field and Northern Blvd. Would be great if Wang went to the mayor and made a proposal.
NO environmental studies because Citi Field already has one.
The Mets draw traffic from April to October. The Isles, in a smaller stadium would draw less.
Access to public transportation, including the LIRR is what the Isles have needed since they were born.
Suffolk County means Zero Public transportation except the LIRR which again will be miles away.
Brooklyn (if they could swing it with the Nets) is a smaller venue. Although it has subways access, it’s downtown Brooklyn. I would be forced to take the LIRR from Jamaica to get there. From SouthEast Queens, the subway to Brooklyn would take more than an hour. (That’s after a bus to the subway, so an hour and a half to 2 hour trip)
Get out of the sticks, Charles, move to Queens!! Come, Get some respect a Professional team deserves!!
by Martys301 on Aug 2, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Mangano theme song
I was gambling in Nassau County
I took a little risk
Send lawyers, guns and money
Please, get me out of this
I’m the innocent bystander
Somehow I got stuck
Between the rock and the hard place
And I’m down on my luck
And I’m down on my luck
And I’m down on my luck
Now I’m hiding in Uniondale
I’m a desperate man
Send lawyers, guns and money
The shit has hit the fan
Send lawyers, guns and money…
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Nice!
All this talk of bonds and hockey
It’s the cause of all my shaking
The Coliseum’s no place to cry for
It makes me want to run out shouting
I hear some talk of guns and butter
That’s something I can do without
If men are only blood and iron
O Doctor Doctor, what’s in my shirt?
Just keep quiet, no room for doubt
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I'm having an interesting conversation with Mangano on Twitter...
…basically saying that no, a new arena does NOT have to be part of any RFP. If anyone is interested, I can post the entire convo as a Fanshot…
Oh course!!!!
I know I would love to see it
"If the bell needs to be answered, we've got the guys to answer it." "If they want to start something, that's fine."- Trevor Gillies
OK, I will post it
I will title it “My Twittering with the Twit: An Online Conversation with Ed Mangano”
If no new arena is part of the rfp then he’s essentially kissing the isles goodbye.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Aug 2, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Press Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky3yazrFn94
My sense (and Botta averted to this as well) that there is a large dose of politics being served up here. Mangano is basically saying to Jacobs and all the others: if your serious about a proposal, step up. Obviously he is embarking on a path that could lead to an arena-less Hub, but there is some amount of bluster involved here.
Also note that this is not the RFP — this is sort of a pre-RFP which will lay the groundwork for a real RFP, which will take months.
by DP'sknee(andhipandflubugandotherknee) on Aug 2, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If there is a God then the place where NVMC once stood
will be housing projects. I hope it looks like FUC*ing ‘Good Times’ or a John Cougar video there in about 10 years. Enjoy Nassau county..
Instead of fully enjoying the Hockey and the youth movement, a part of me will be distracted with more nonsense for the next 4 years.
by ATL Jim on Aug 2, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Did anyone see this on Jay Jacobs?
His camp land is slated to allow hydrofracking for natural gas upstate…wonder if the plan is to use some of that $ to “develop the hub”?
/curls brim of tin foil hat
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/dem_party_boss_great_frackin_deal_Lq1tzb2O9aUbTo1WXGD1hI
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i wish people knew what is going on in the world...
fracking is terrible
anything to make a buck… that’s exactly what’s keeping the isles down… everyone else wanting to make a buck off of wang or this piece of land so they stand in the way of everyone else trying to make a buck
by Khan Noonien Singh on Aug 2, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fracking
From what I’ve read there isn’t necessarily a link between fracking and polluted water. I don’t really care to go into a debate on it though since it pretty much has nothing to do with hockey. Also Jay Jacobs is still an idiot.
Pr*j*ct**ns lead to long term injuries, just ask the asian guy from Inception
Fracking
Was what you read produced by frickin frackers? I also read carcinogens in water supplies dont necessarily lead to cancers. I also read mercury and lead in the air dont lead to brain disease.
by totallypucked on Aug 3, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Frakking Toasters...

Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
by Fabtraption on Aug 2, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Douche.....
Have any of you watched Gasland? You can watch the trailer below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZe1AeH0Qz8
If this is what we have as a leader then we are all in trouble. Based on his actions in Nassau and these comments he is beyond slimy more akin to Madoff.
Are the crazies running the insane asylum?
I was always freaked out
about the blowtorch that comes out of that guys faucet.
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Where I live
Fracking is a HUGE HUGE debate going on.
The gas companies are not very accomodating in answering questions(I am on my towns Planning Commission) in order for people to make good decisions.
Our town actually turned down a multi-million dollar offer(mind you, we are very rural) because of their lack of information. They look for people and towns that all they have are dollar signs in their eyes and don’t bother questioning anything. Meanwhile a town not far to my north just had their water supply contaminated from the fracking process.
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by JW1970 on Aug 3, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The gas companies are not very accomodating in answering questions
That's odd. Energy companies are usually forthcoming.
That sucks, JW. Tough state. Multinationals can act like sports teams playing communities off one another, with higher stakes.
But BP's logo is a flowery green-and-yellow sun-like thing, so they're cool.
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correct
And playing communities off each other is exactly what has been going on.
You get one town(like mine) that has the forethought to say “well if you contaminate our aquafer, then what do we do for a water supply?”(and that seriously was one of my questions that they would only partially answer) and then you get some of these towns that are so cash strapped that they don’t care if they put the poison into their own mothers water tap in order to get the cash.
They truly are making it seem like this is the answer to everyones prayers but it truly is nothing more than a nightmare.
and don’t get me wrong….I am not exactly a tree-hugging kind of person. I leave my footprint allllllll over. But there is a right way of doing things and a wrong way and I feel when you are in a rural area, chances of recovery if it is the wrong way are slim to none in happening.
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Rural areas
And rural areas are so susceptible to it because of how much has changed! (I read an interesting book by an admitted rail fanatic who blames a lot of this dynamic on the Interstate buildout and neglect of our railways, which is now biting us.)
They see their future, feel behind the 8-ball, and end up accepting the best prison/lead smelter offer that comes along.
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Now we know how he can afford PSL at Giant stadium
Dumb ass.
Typical elitist, I know whats best for you, and I’ll tell you how you can spend your money.
Sorry JJ we don’t have your money, the middle class has been downgraded to poor.1.
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I can’t wait until we destroy our drinking water supply. Forget the isles, humanity will go out with a whimper and a gasp.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.
by Turgeon1992 on Aug 2, 2011 9:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm pretty much convinced...
… that we are in for a situation like the Nordiques/Avs. Quebec sucks for so long, then finally gets good. They move to Colorado and BAM, they win the Cup in what, year 1 there? I can honesly see us moving and BAM we win the Cup in our new city. If that happens, I at least hope it is in Quebec, because, hey karma and all…
by Islesprof on Aug 2, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
BAM Brother
Is in Brooklyn and is properly called the Brooklyn Academy of Music which also happens to be next door to the Barclays Arena…….
I hope and pray the Isles stay in either Nassau, Brooklyn or Queens?
Therefore the only Q in my mind is Queens.
reminds me of a poker game i used to play with the other super men...
hanging around in the ship with my other genetically engineered comrades… we’d get bored and play a game called “Ace Two Three” it’s a simple 3 card guts game. Best poker hand wins the constantly growing pot. To win the pot though, you have to declare yourself in. and you have the be the only one going for it. If anyone challenges you… money exchanges hands but the large pot keeps growing.
A few years ago… 1 player was challenging everyone who went in… with terrible cards. he eventually announced (with a 150 dollar pot) that he was never going to let anyone go in alone. He will always challenge until he wins.
That effectively killed the game forever. (on a side note i killed him too)
That’s what’s going on here… everyone is standing in the way of wang because they want the pot… the land… and they wont let anyone else win.

by Khan Noonien Singh on Aug 2, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
OT, but wow this is a disparity for Weber
Elliotte Friedman
FriedgeHNIC Elliotte Friedman
Shea Weber requested 1-yr deal. He submitted $8M, team $4.75. Remember: this is not like MLB, where arbitrator must pick one or other.
51 minutes ago
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If the Isles happened to make an deep run in the playoffs or even WIN THE CUP...
Would that make the arena situation any easier? The Marlins won not 1 but 2 World Series and it didn’t help them get their new stadium one iota.
Is there really anything that can be done to get the Isles a new arena without them having to re-sell their soul all over again? I personally do not want Wang to sell, he has done so much to make this team respectable again, some of it was misguided but always with the best intentions.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
It pretty much sucks that Alan Hahn isn't the isles beat writer anymore
Check him out on the Michael Kay show (sans Kay) starting at 6:32 on the bar at the bottom
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?s=nyc
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he has to get his money back
hahn is right… a lot of people ignore this part… he’s lost 200 million plus… wang needs a deal where he can get that back and not just through the team but through developing the land around the arena or something else… just playing in someone else’s arena does nothing for him
by Khan Noonien Singh on Aug 2, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The deal that just got nixed
wouldn’t have gotten him his money back either, since the arena was still going to be owned by the county.
Don't see
why he needs to get his money back. He bought a sports team. That is not necessarily a profit generator. You do it because you’re a rich guy who needs a way to spend money.
If he’s hanging onto this team because he thinks he’s going to get that money back, he’s crazy and we’re more screwed than I thought.
b/c he bought a small market team, for small market bucks...if he is allowed to relocate...
to a large market — team is already worth more…just like Basille (RIM owner) wanted to buy the Coyotes for Phoenix market prices….and move team to Hamilton Ontario where it would have been worth much more
by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 3, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i need as big an LOL as possible... you don't see why he needs to get his money back?
230 million dollars??… do i live on another planet?
it’s so easy to say that when it’s not your money
you non genetically engineered humans are so funny
by Khan Noonien Singh on Aug 3, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like TARP
Oh, you invested money and lost it. Now you want the government to bail you out. Sorry, sometimes investments don’t work out.
Like the woman said about Pacman Jones, “If you don’t want to lose your money, don’t throw it out. Don’t make it rain.”
I do miss his work a ton
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
And so naturally good
on the radio…knows his history and his shit.
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No, not Crooklyn!!
that would be awful. Its ghetto city down where they are putting the basketball arena!
Really
Either you are afraid of people of color or you have no freaking idea anything about the neighborhoods adjoining the arena. There are more yuppies in Brooklyn Heights, Park Slope, Boerum Hill and Prospect Heights then in many towns on LI. Those neighborhoods took the spill over of the Wall Street money that wanted better living conditions and avoided Manhattan prices. Many of the brownstones near the arena are worth millions.
Plus there are enough actors and actresses to draw an interesting crowd. There are musicians and artists that are amazing.
Crooklyn…..dude get off the stereotypes.
by TheMagus on Aug 2, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Our entire hipster subthread has gone for nought
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Yes really!
I worked down there back in 2000. It was not a safe area, and that was in the daytime!
I dont know what you mean by “afraid”. Just dont want to go gang bangin before a hockey game!
And it was Spike Lee that called Brooklyn, Crooklyn! Fool!
And dont give me that “people of color” BS!!! You PC freak!
lol, you walked there back in 2000
I walked in Time Square in 1990 and that place was full of whores and druggies
Such a ghetto place!
I lived right near there in 2005
It was a fine area. At the time I was living there, the area was up and coming with gigantic condos being built almost on every block. You have no idea how much that area has changed in even the 5 or 6 years since I lived there. Really, the only areas in Brooklyn you don’t want to be in are East New York, Brownsville, and parts of Flatbush. Nearly the entire borough is gentrifying.
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
Gentrification
Nearly the entire borough is gentrifying.
And my curmudgeonly stepfather is P.I. Pissed!
He’s the type who will gripe either way.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
I am now in a rent-stabilized apartment
And my neighborhood is changing for the better. Life is grand in Brooklyn!
Official choice of Lighthouse Dog #1.
This is ...
so un-informed, ignorant and imbecilic a statement as to suggest it’s only purpose is to incite.
Therefore, I’m not gonna dignify it by directly responding to it ,other than to suggest see TheMagus’s comment.
I'm sure all the people in that area wear Sony Walkmans too.
It was just a decade ago when you worked there. I can tell you horror stories from the ‘80s when I went to school there and Spike’s daddy was selling crack, but that was a long time ago,
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
by Hockey1919 on Aug 3, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eyes Wide Shut
I see so much upside in a move to Brooklyn.
The location is in the heart of a number of thriving communities.
It is minutes from Wall Street.
Down the street from the Fulton mall which is constantly busy.
Accessible to the Russian population down in Brighton Beach for example.
You have the Poles in Williamsburg and the Yuppies.
Smith Street, a nice fifteen minute walk, has some of the nicest restaurants in NYC.
This could create a HUGE rivalry with the Rangers.
Compared to Montreal and Ottawa...the Nassau vs. Brooklyn or Queens comparibles...
when i was a graduate student in Montreal, countless times myself, or others i was with, would decide at the last minute to walk down the street and see a Habs game. I even learned from locals, if you wait until the game is partially started, you can even buy scalpers nose bleeds for below market value. the main university Campuses are all down on St Catherine and de Maissoneuve streets…even though the property was much more expensive, Montreal still built their new arena in the heart of the downtown core…
Stupid, cheap Ottawa on the other hand, didn’t even have the brains, or the bucks or the combination there of, to do same. No, Ottawa watched far too many Hollywood movies, believing if they built it, they will come. Ottawa’s brain cramp resulted in an NHL arena built in the middle of farmers fields, in Kanata Ontario. About a 30 minute drive by car to butt-!@#$- nowhere…and that drive depends on traffic, taking the major highway (417) to get there…no, a cup contender should be able to fill any barn anywhere, but only a few can be cup contenders at one time…and rest assure, no one…no one….sits in downtown Ottawa and at the last minute decides to take in a hockey game…too damn far to travel…that demographic spends its entertainment money elsewhere, in the downtown core, the heart of the city.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 3, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Matches 100% with my experience living in Montreal and a few road trips to see the Snes.
I had to “give” away my opening Molson Centre seats to a client, but still got in at below face by outwaiting the scalpers.
When needing more than a couple of seats to catch a game with friends, we’d often get the limited view seats in the top rung of the Molson for less than $10. It was like sitting in the “Eagles Nest” seat at the Verizon Center, but still a good time. If it thinned out by my season tickets, I’d walk down and sit down below with my buddies since the attendants knew me.
Kanata, at least when I used to go, the best food offered was along the highway. Incredible that they put it that far out and then asked the Sens to pay for the off ramp expansion as well.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
cool hockey 1919
did not know you were familar with Montreal and Ottawa…by chance, you involved with financial investing? why did you live in Montreal? ahhh, Bishop and Cresent streets
by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 4, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Canadian Space Agency operations is in St. Hubert.
Lived down by the Atwater market before the whole waterfront started to get renovated and had an easy commute going out of the city against traffice. Quick walk to the Forum and even the Molson Center when the evenings were not too cold.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
People are still reeling from the Y2K bug
But this “broadband” thing sounds like it might be big.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Facts my ass.
I live 5 minutes from The Barc, and have since 1993. 90% of the area within walking distance is fine. The 78th Precinct is literally next door. The part of the site that’s not yet built upon looks like … a work site. Unfinished. Not particularly plush. But to label the area ghetto is like i said – ignorant. Or worse.
facts
Your so full of s—t!! Hows that Fulton mall area? Terrible. Youre the ignorant one for not seeing what crap is around you! What are you, a Blood or a Crip??
Why defend garbage? Smart Hockey fans want no part of that area!
MSG is right next to masses of warehouses on the Far West Side too
I don’t see anybody complaining.
You’re just grasping at straws here. The neighborhood has gentrified so much and continues to do so.
LOUD NOISES!

"Look at my new clothes," said the Emperor to the Nassau County residents.
by metalcoconut on Aug 3, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You've revealed ...
more of yourself than you think, or intended.
Anyway, there’s no sense to this exchange any longer.
Verizon Center in DC as a comparable
DCs Chinatown was a run down dump. Verizon was built and it is now surrounded by lots of Chinese food, but also bars and restaurants that leads all the way to the convention center. The original thought was who the hell would go from suburban MD into DC to follow the Caps? DC is a football town first and then basketball. Hockey would never thrive, and yet Caps are top ten in attendance.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Good Comparison
When I go to the VC I usually drive to the Springfielld Metro, then take the train to the game. My standard stop at the Frog for a few… and then find my seat.
That brings RICHMOND MONEY into DC. Metro ticket, food and drink, and the game itself. Everybody wins.
If you are arguing that you wouldn’t hop the train to see a game because you’d rather watch it in your underwear at home in HD… just remember watching MSG++++ without lead pants on could make you sterile.
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I used to drive and then metro the rest of the way as well.
Then I realized if four of us are going it is cheaper to just drive and park under the stadium. DCs great rush hour pricing and having to take the car to get to the Metro anyway, made it a no brainer. I limit my beer intake on weeknights and wouldn’t go in weekends.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
i hear you, but caps are also a contender
need sample sizes for seat sales both from contender projections, and non-contender projections…no one is a contender for ever…any team that can’t fill their building while they are a contender may very well be in trouble when tide changes.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 3, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea
people didn’t go to Cap games when they weren’t contending, even though they had Ovechkin.
A good team trumps all. That’s the case for all non-Canadian venues.
Even Canadian markets (outside Toronto and Montreal) need winners
Sens are hurting and so are Edmonton. Calgary has a ton of money, but they weren’t spending when they were losing and the same in Vancouver.
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Why do I have this feeling...
…Señor Beck is shouting at me?
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Brooklyn is no ghetto, its folled with a good amount of young people- many of whom may have lived in Nassau county if it didnt suck balls.
Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)
by TheMetalChick on Aug 3, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
get a grip!
it is far from ghetto where they are building the barclay center… lol
by LETS GO ISLANDERS!!! on Aug 4, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brooklyn Definite No Go!
That building looks about the size of the US Open Tennis Center’s Arthur Ashe Stadium … No way is that big enough … and settling for 14K is not an option either. Especially if you plan to grow the fan base… which has to happen.
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Aug 2, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions
FIRST KEEP THE TEAM IN NY
then worry bout growing the fanbase.
Writer at Beyond the Box Score and The Hardball Times
Pitchf/x enthusiast.
brooklyn is not an option
there’s no way wang is gonna pay rent to play there… that’s not how he’s gonna get his 200 million in losses back
by Khan Noonien Singh on Aug 2, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not getting it in limbo either.
Rent can be quite reasonable if you have control of the building for your games.
Writer at Beyond the Box Score and The Hardball Times
Pitchf/x enthusiast.
You can add a bunch more
if you build those crazy ceiling bridge things MSG is planning on.
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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Aug 2, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Arthur Ashe Stadium
not big enough?
“The Stadium features 22,547 individual seats, 90 luxury suites, five restaurants and a two-level players’ lounge—making it, by far, the largest outdoor tennis-only venue in the world.”
research before commenting, NJ.
You're Right Except ...
As has been stated it’s a hockey rink .. Not a tennis court … and my reference to saying it’s the size of Arthur Ashe Stadium had more to do with the size of it’s ability to support the playing surface … Arthur Ashe Stadium’s footprint is infact probably bigger than Barclays… About 3 years ago while setting up satellite truck for my company for a WNBA basketball game I noticed that the Basketball Court fit snuggly within the confines of the Arthur Ashe Stadium’s playing surface … and since I don’t know of any other “enclosed arena” like the Barclay Center … which is being built to accomodate basketball, the Arthur Ashe Stadium reminded me of the snug playing surface … far from being able to squeeze in an NHL regulation rink. Also, the reference I made to its seating capacity was for the Barclay Center’s proposed 14,500 … Not Arthur Ashe Stadium. I’ve been to AAS a few times, and I’m well aware of its capacity … but you’re right … AAS’s seating capacity is huge, I actually thought it was 23k … but I stand corrected. That said using AAS as a seating capacity model is not relevent. AAS’s upper deck is so far back from the action anyway … I remember when we were setting up cameras up there … I felt like the court was way to far for a fan to enjoy … so back to my point … Barclay is not a hockey friendly venue and cannot support the capacity of an NHL franchise in a major city.
by 19 Isle in NJ 22 on Aug 4, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Conspiracy theory.
The only way Isles come to Brooklyn, if Prohorov buys them.
This will not happen before the Sochi Olympics in 2014. If the NHLers go there, then Putin gives Prohorov permission to invest in the NHL.
::shifts eyes::
You already know too much!
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Looking forward to some pricey COZOs
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Aug 2, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brooklyn is the best bet. Even better than Nassau
The rivalry with the rags will reach new hights. It will be like Yanks- Dodgers in the fifties. With the Devils being the Giants.
Also NY tv market remains. A shitty deal in NYC is still better than a third rate tv deal in a city about the size of Staten Island any day.
Also mass mass mass transit. Everything goes through that area
Also it will be great to Win in Brooklyn. Those Hipsters will make us the Cool Team. Lol
by Torch7 on Aug 2, 2011 9:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Isn't the NHL the only major league w/out two teams playing in the same city?
This would be the most intense rivalry in the whole league if they move to Brooklyn
Isles vs. Rangers, Brooklyn vs. Manhattan !!!
It would be nuts, especially when both teams are contenders. And I’m convinced it would be a gold-mine for anyone with a piece of the action.
I’ve heard so many differing accounts of what The Barc will accomodate, what it won’t, how many people etc., that I’m beginning to think there’s a reason behind all the ambiguity.
I see a big part of the arena site every day, and all of it at least once or twice a week. I’m no engineer or architect, but it does seems like it’s close to a point where it may too late for any increase in seating capacity. But who knows? I believe it’s ahead of schedule, and obviously any additional costs to regroup and add some foundation for more seating would be no issue whatsoever for Prokhorov, if he wanted to do it. I still think it’s a longshot, but longshots are getting shorter and shorter these days. In everything.
You go by the site every day...
How are you still alive?!
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Statement from Wang tommorow.
According to this article:
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373037
“Wang, whose 2003 plan for a multibillion-dollar private development of the property foundered amid community opposition, was expected to issue a statement on Wednesday, a team spokeswoman said.”
unfortunately, CW is a polite guy
At the rally, when Castellane went off and cursed up a storm, CW’s eyes widened with embarrassment and he tittered to Garth like a prim debutant.
What I want in this presser is for him to be honest and curse—letting is loose, screw the Repubs, screw the Dems, screw the guys that had my back and abandoned me, thanks for calling my bluff cuz I’m done with Nassau and sick of this dysfunction, etc. That would be amazing. But I guess there’s not a lot of pity for a pissy billionaire (ask James Dolan…).
i'm pretty sire he's not a billionaire anymore
when he’s done with this team he might not even be a millionaire
by Khan Noonien Singh on Aug 2, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in a fighting mood tonight.
I was reading some of the Truth and Rumor articles at SI.com and I do not usually get involved with the discussions because they usually turn into Pens love fests and how the Isles are the joke of the NHL. However I felt compelled to correct a few uniformed opinions tonight. That arena thing has really pissed me off.
Just the thought of another year of media silence irritates me beyond compare.
"Look at my new clothes," said the Emperor to the Nassau County residents.
I nearly went mental
on the Yahoo story comments the past couple days. I’ve resolved to give it a rest for a few days. The stupidity just hurts so much.
Although, to be honest, they do represent voters fairly well. They can be told all the facts multiple times and still remain (willfully) completely oblivious/ignorant.
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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Aug 2, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
if I'm Wang
I’m like fuck everybody – you’ve all screwed me – its time to negotiate with the highest bidders, and then see if someone wants to match me to keep the team in NYC, but that’s probably not in the cards
Start with Toronto
http://updatednews.ca/2011/06/03/committee-toronto-deserves-a-second-nhl-team/
the Leafs are a joke and they are dying for a winner and they can handle a second team easily – call the team the West Toronto Warriors – locate them by Woodbine Racetrack wihch is right by Toronto’s main airport – an easy 1 hour flight from Laguardia
Plus Quebec and their 2015 stadium – you are talking an easy 500M USD minimum for the team, arguably if Toronto you could create a new network and exponentiate the value
If I’m Wang, I’m not selling – I’m just movng the team to Toronto
Find it funny Quebec would pay $400m in hopes of attracting a team; Nassua refused the same amount to keep a team
Nassau Coliseum lost a veteran and an original Islander fan. ACC 1918-2011
Don't think Toronto gets a second team but through expansion
The opportunity for an exorbitant expansion fee is too great; NHL will wait for that kind of windfall rather than let someone move (and have to pay both for the existing franchise PLUS a massive relocation fee).
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Oh wow...
I was wondering what joke I missed! I wish entering parallel universes were this easy.
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
Don't think Toronto gets a second team but through expansion
The opportunity for an exorbitant expansion fee is too great; NHL will wait for that kind of windfall rather than let someone move (and have to pay both for the existing franchise PLUS a massive relocation fee).
Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.
wang will move team, but i can't see wang selling unless he can't afford to build an arena himself elsewhere
probably the team moves somewhere closer to NYC, but still on the Island, keeping TV contract, solving transit problem, making team worth more money that it is in Nassau…Isles would no longer be a small market team
by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 3, 2011 1:54 AM EDT reply actions
Charles Wang ...
is not the kind of guy to give up and walk away a loser with his tail between his legs. Obviously there are things he has done that people question and have problems with, but the man definitely has some bulldog in him. I still think the idea of hoisting a Cup in a new arena that he got built is driving him. I’m with Botta on this, I’m back to thinking some combo of county and local business people and ‘other interests’ will present some way to get this done in a way he can go for.
if so, Nassau Isles fans better thank their lucky stars for Wang....B/C if it were me...
Nassau wouldn’t exactly get the one-finger salute, but Nassau days in the NHL would have ended on Aug 1, 2011. No way, no how, would I even consider keeping the Isles in Nassau…if i were Wang, I’d move on into a large market and start making money. Screw Nassau.
by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 3, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree he must really ...
want to stick it to some of those …people. But LI IS his home, and I’d bet he still would love nothing more than to have a winner – a Stanley Cup winner – in his own backyard, where he grew up. Anyone would love to do that. His dream scenario must be to get HIS arena and whatever else, on LI, and still scew those …people somehow. The only way I can see to do that would be to build in Suffolk County, the western portion.
Build it ...
right along the Nassau County border. So the Nassau County schmucks and a-holes that forced the team out have to see how they screwed up.
by dose on Aug 3, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We can always freeze Kate Murray's Pool
and have games there using here roof as the stands and house as the locker room and concession stands.
Toss me a beer Moulson, were getting thirsty up here watching you guys.
Think about it, no arena issue, no development issue, and no cracked roof (well maybe). And best of all we can continue to live in our suburban character town. Punk kids having house parties at their parents house is what suburban character is all about.
So she is not coming back till Monday, right, perfect.
I think I struck Gold.
by ghalbart on Aug 3, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love it
And of course the Nassau resident Isles fans would be spending all that tasty, tasty revenue in Suffolk county.
We could have a carnival in the parking lot on opening night, with dunk tanks – five bucks for three shots to douse someone wearing a Jeremy Jacobs or Kate Murray mask.
We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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found this when google image searching "brooklyn islanders"

"Brasky once hosted the Grammy's and gave every award to Cory Hardt."
by Saeevil on Aug 4, 2011 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
there's a few more good ones here
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/08/03/brooklyn-islanders-jersey-concepts/
"Brasky once hosted the Grammy's and gave every award to Cory Hardt."

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