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The East is Too Good for Islanders to Compete?

Today we learn that the Towering Giants on the Ice are the Eastern Conference, while the Islanders are those kids about to be pushed into the ice like the punks they are.

I can't be the only one who wants to punch the next person who says that. It sounds even more ridiculous when you look at the standings last season. If the Rangers, the 8th seed in the East, had played in the West, the Stars and Flames would have both finished above them. So technically the 8th seed in the East last year wasn't even the 16th best team in the league by standings points. With Montreal and Buffalo both finishing with 96 points, Dallas (95 points) and Calgary (94) both could have been within reach of the 6th seed in the East.

Last year in the East the Islanders were 7th in goals scored. They were 12th in Shots on Goal (only 45 behind the Rangers). Their shooting percentage was 9.3%, tied for 2nd in the East with Tampa Bay. Only the Thrashers gave up more goals then the Islanders in the East last year. Only 4 teams gave up more shots in the East than the Isles, including the Bruins and Canes. At 17.2% the Isles PP was 7th in the East. At 83.2% the Isles PK was 8th in the East, and with 15 shorthanded goals led the league.

Some stats are even more drastic if you split them at the All-Star break.

Star-divide

The Islanders played 49 games before the break and 33 after. Before the break the Isles scored 118 goals and gave up 158, the -40 differential only surpassed by the Senators and Devils. After the break the Islanders and Sabres were the only teams in the East to break 100 goals, both hitting 107. Of course the Isles (100) and Thrashers (102) were the only teams to give up 100 goals post break. The Isles also went 25-21-8 over the last 54 games of the season.

 

The biggest problems with last year's team was the defense and the goaltending. No matter what you think of Mark Eaton and Mike Mottau, both of them going down didn't help things. When Eaton went down he was only a -2 over 20 games. When you consider that both injuries led to the door being opened for Bruno Gervais (-14 in 53 GP) and Dylan Reese (-12 in 27 GP) to get on the ice, the only bright side was that it gave Travis Hamonic a chance. Someone around here said it best though when they said last night that the return of Mark Streit is better than anyone the Isles could have signed.

With Streit out for the year, a lot of non-Islander fans forgot how good he was. In 08-09 he led the team in points (56) and assists (40) but what's usually missed is that he was +5 on a team that finished the year with a -79 goal differential. In 09-10 he finished with 49 points, but once again led the team in assists (38) and finished the season with an even +/-.  When you consider that last season the Islanders had 4 players with over 50 points and 2 players over 40 points, the addition of another 50 points from the blueline is a big deal. Streit hasn't played on an Islander team yet that he wasn't considered one of the top offensive threats. With his return, it's another chance to cause mismatches on the ice.

For all the talk of the Islanders needing one more premier defenseman, Streit can make just about anyone look good. In 09-10 his top five partners were Bruno Gervais (33%), Andrew MacDonald (20%), Radek Martinek (7%), Jack Hillen (5%) and Freddy Meyer (4%). Only MacDonald is still with the team, and it's not expected that he needs his hand held by Streit anymore. Ty Wishart and Milan Jurcina would most likely be the front runners to be paired with him, as both have their deficiencies, but both have size and and usefulness in the right situation. 

When it comes to the Islanders goaltenders, we've beaten that subject into the ground. But it should be considered as solid as going into last season with a 40-year old Dwayne Roloson was. If Rick DiPietro and Al Montoya falter, we aren't going to fall back to an unknown in Nathan Lawson, but either Kevin Poulin, Evgeni Nabokov or even Anders Nilsson.

The idea that the East is some monster that is going to chew the Islanders up and spit them out seems a bit much to me at least. No matter how hard you try, you can never predict how a team will do until you start playing games. You can't even tell in December how a team will do by the time the playoffs come around. There's no reason to believe that all 8 teams that made the playoffs will make them again next year. There's also no saying that the teams which were close (9/10/11th seeds) are going to be there again.

As I was writing this, news came up that Travis Zajac will be missing 8-10 weeks. When your a team that struggled to scored goals (174 GF last year) losing someone who put up 44 points for any amount of time hurts. That's why you play the game.

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Bravo

Consider we will have a number of injured players available from the start of the season should be a big plus for as well as a host of players maturing and others bringing their experience.

Of the 8 teams that went to the playoffs I think Montreal, Philadelphia and Tampa Bay are the most vulnerable teams. Montreal defense was mediocre. The Flyers just recreated their team. Bolts lost their spark plug with Bergie leaving.

We know playing better defense and improved or consistent goal tending will help. With the addition of Nino, Rolston and Reasoner the team should be able to score more goals. The return on injured players for part or the whole season will be huge. But will this equal to 10 additional victories that we will need to make the playoffs.

by TheMagus on Aug 18, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

The East is Too Good for Islanders to Compete?

Im NOT buying that either Webby. Last year after the break this Islanders team with their 6 goalies, dozen D-men down gave it an amazing run at the playoffs. That’s taking into consideration the 21 game winless steark. Will the Rags be better? Who knows. Will the Devils be better? Who knows. Will ALL of the 8 playoff teams be better? NO WAY! That’s why they play the games!

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by Russel Ginart on Aug 18, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

As much as I agree that the Islanders can compete, you keep talking about Streit as if he's guaranteed to be the same player he was pre-shoulder injuries.

He’s 33 years old and just suffered two horrible shoulder injuries- it’s far from certain that he’ll be the same player. He’ll still probably be the Isles’ best d-man, but that is far from guaranteed. Add to that the rest of the questions on the blueline, and that’s why they need one more top-4 d-man to make the playoffs.

by Metzfan22 on Aug 18, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Two horrible shoulder injuries?

Did I miss something?

Also worth noting, despite being 33, he only has 361 games. Nearly 200 of those games were with the Canadiens, in his first two seasons with them he had 14 minutes a game and 17 during his final season. He also tended to not get SH time with them.

Then add in that for most of his career he played in the Swiss league playing 40-50 games a season. He’s not a Brendan Witt 33.

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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh I just made this point in my fan post
for most of his career he played in the Swiss league playing 40-50 games a season

I didnt see this Webslinger so I’ll give credit where credit is do

I went to an Islanders Power Play and all I got was this broken stick

by Chris McNally on Aug 19, 2011 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry but I need to point out that 33 is NOT old

Not even for a hockey player.

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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not ancient, but it's not like he's some 25 year old kid who will definitely bounce back. 33 is getting up there.

All I’m saying is that it would behoove the Islanders to have an insurance policy in place so if Streit does not rebound fully (something that could easily happen), they are not left shrugging their shoulders like last year. That’s why they need another solid top-4 d-man.

by Metzfan22 on Aug 19, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

You cannot presume the absolute worst, its just as misinformed as presuming the best. Reality is that A: you can only have a certain # of guys per position and B: you have to give up to get. People can keep calling for some mythical dman but unless you point him out to me and suggest ways in which he might be acquired it doesnt really work. Its easy to say a team needs this, a team needs that and be all vague. Who, exactly?

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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate uninformed people

The Islanders last year were 23-15-8 between Dec 16 and Mar 22 which amasses to 54 points in a little more than half a season, and that was with a turnstyle at both Goalie and D. Last time I checked, a record like that over a whole season would get you a middle seed in the playoffs. As long as the Isles aren’t cursed with injuries again this year, there is no reason to think, with their ever-improving young players, that they shouldn’t be in the playoffs this year. So anyone who deems the Isles unworthy to compete really has no idea what they’re talking about.

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by Chris McNally on Aug 18, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

The closest thing to a sensible excuse ive heard for people believing that

Is what my friend said: At that time of year most playoff teams are playing their backups to rest their starters for the playoffs and the teams arnt playing as hard, especially against teams theyre not competing for a playoff spot with. Notice how i said CLOSEST thing to sensible excuse

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by Zhora on Aug 18, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Competing in the East...

It can take its toll… and the rivalry factor of our division makes it even more intense. But if you get through that gauntlet on top you will be well tempered for battle come April. If not, even if you do make it (Pitt, Wash?) you will be going to battle like this guy…

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by JPinVA on Aug 18, 2011 7:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Most Islanders fans would agree that the Islanders have the ability to come out and compete this year.

There is definitely a lot of question marks though. Possibly too many. Seeing how the team really turned the corner in the last 54 games is great and definitely something to look forward to, but we can’t say that the first 28 games didn’t happen. That November and early December stretch was killer. Every team will go through highs and lows on the season, it’s consistency that matters most. Getting Streit back will be huge and I would bet my life that the team finishes higher in the standings this year compared to last year, but 6 spots in the Eastern Conference is not an easy thing to do.

by nyislanders93 on Aug 18, 2011 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

All the teams in our division have enough question marks

that if things don’t go their way and we get some fortune for a change we could do really well. I’m not saying that we will top the league, but stranger things have happened.

Pens: Crosby is still suffering head issues and Malkin suffered an injury that could well keep him a slower player. Cooke and to a lesser degree Orpik (at least he should be anyway) are on thin ice with respect to their questionable/injurious plays.

Flyers: Just traded their two best players, lost another decent guy in Leino, made a slight upgrade in goal for an enormous cost and are still up against the cap (with a roster spot still open). Not only is Pronger a douche, but he had back issues that could still affect him.

Rags: Gaborik has been decently healthy for his Rags career, but he is still a risk and last season was far from productive. I think Richards can be good, but down the line in the contact he won’t be worth it, not to mention their FA C track record offers little hope (but really, what’s the probability of that happening again). Henrik will be asked to carry them again and I doubt he can put together back-to-back double digit SHO totals. That being said, they stand the most to gain from Philly’s re-tinkering. Also, Avery is a douche.

Devils: They enter the season with a new coach yet again. They didn’t mesh well with MacLean and only did better under Lou’s return with the quasi-trap. So does this occur again? Or will the new coach be smarter. Kovalchuk isn’t used to the best of his abilities, Parise is coming off injury (damn you 2011 fantasy first rounder), and Brodeur is 80.

Isles: Our main question is always how many injuries will we endure? When does DP conk out and is that preferable? How many of our wins will be whined about by Pens fans and changed to losses? If we keep the mustache rides to a minimum, will we still be deemed a thug team?

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by Thaddeus Ballpheasant on Aug 18, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

when it comes to Pronger its a lot more than just back issues

Hes had 4 surgeries in the last year and is going to be turning 37 next season i believe. I Highly doubt hell be the same player he was

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by Zhora on Aug 18, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t there also an Ankle Issue?

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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think one of the surgeries had something to do

with his ankle/foot
I think in total he has back issues, surgery on his hand and i think his knee was hurt along with the ankle issue

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by Zhora on Aug 18, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to Sbnation

Hes had knee surgery and foot surgery in the last season, along with about 20+ games missed due to a hand injury which im sure he had surgery for over the summer.

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by Zhora on Aug 18, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaand...green.

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by Dominik on Aug 19, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah short term the flyers are effed

But in a few years theyll be back in shape

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by Zhora on Aug 18, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally don't think the Flyers even make the playoffs next year:

-Briere loses his set-up partner he had a lot of chemistry with in Leino
-Carter and Richards gone means 2 of the top 30 2-way centers in the NHL are gone, a lot of offense and defense(2 of the 4 forwards that took the toughest comeptition) needs to be made up somehow.
-Giroux’s set-up partner whom he had a lot of chemistry with in Carter is gone
-Zherdev gone is another 15goals off their roster next year and Versteeg gone is another 7goals off their roster
-Schenn is a question mark
-Pronger is more injured, plus he and Timmonen are another year older
-They have become less tough and annoying(CarBomb) with Richards and Carcillo gone.
-No more captain Richards, who is their leader?

And they are also possibly screwed longterm, depending on how Bryz does in the East and the Atlantic division. I have mixed feeling on how I think he’s gonna do next year.

by OzzyFan on Aug 18, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Briere and Leino had anything special. They were given very soft minutes and sheltered zone starts to produce, and did produce, as expected. Voracek is a similar soft minutes player.

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by red army line on Aug 19, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure if everyone sees this but...

i believe the flyers think thay JVR is ready to step up and play like the 2nd overall pick that he’s supposed to be. and i agree. now i’m not sure if the flyers will still be as scary as we’re accustomed to, but i still can’t count them out as a division contender in the east.

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by gukid17 on Aug 19, 2011 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I admit the JVR development kind of scares me

Maybe he had a hot playoff run, or maybe everything finally clicked.

Still, the Bryz contract comforts me.

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by Dominik on Aug 19, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he finally clicked

Simply because the same exact thing happened with Giroux the season prior. He had a great playoffs in 09-10 and next season his regular season points total jumped by 30 points. And with Richards and Carter gone, thats a lot more powerplay time for JVR to be getting (or conversely, the opponents best defensive players will be focusing on him now instead of those players they lost).
This will be something very interesting to watch in the coming season

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by Zhora on Aug 19, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's just a couple big losses + a number of forward changes=problems, not to mention losses that need to be made up.

Flyers fans should just look at the losses and addittions of this offseason and cringe:

Roster losses:
Carter/Richards/Leino/Zherdev/Versteeg/Boucher/O’Donnell/Carcillo/Powe

Roster addittions:
Bryzgalov/Simmonds/Jagr/Voracek/Talbot/Schenn

Ouch, 5 new top 9 forwards.

by OzzyFan on Aug 19, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it really looks like Jagr is going to take Leino’s spot and Simmonds and the two kids will be playing defense. Seems like a train wreck waiting to happen.

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by Ubiquitous on Aug 19, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% agreed

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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Largely agree

although I’d say TB is a little thinner than those other three and a key injury or two could sink them, whereas I think the other three could survive something like that.

by afrosupreme on Aug 19, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I’d question PIT too, if Crosby out again as well.

I made myself a little unclear, but I’m not really saying PIT/WSH/BOS/TBL are the top 4 seeds in the East, and that everyone else is fighting for 5-8. I think at least 1-2 of the ‘upper half’ of that group (PHI, NYR, MTL, BUF) would/will compete with that group. I’m looking at a comparison of the range of possible Isles teams compared to the range of other teams. I think you’d need to cripple TBL/PIT/BOS/WSH with 2, maybe 3+ key injuries to bring them back enough to the Isles best, much like I think you’d need to cripple the Isles (again) to bring them down to the level where I expect WPG/FLA/OTT.

That grey area in between is the question for the season. If all of those 8 tweener teams play to their best, I don’t think the Isles can get much higher than 11th, maybe 10th, I think the defense/goaltending would end up killing you. But I also think everyone knows that there’s little chance everyone plays to their best, that’s why everyone in that group has question marks. That’s also why saying the Isles can’t be competitive just isn’t really true. If you play above average, the Isles are better than just average performances from a lot of those teams.

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by George E. Ays on Aug 19, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's like they took all of the intelligence for Rangers fans

….and gave it all to one person.

The hockey gods spread it out more evenly over Islanders fans.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 19, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

One point I disagree with

If the Isles D remains relatively healthy (I know, I know), I think it is at least an average group of 6. Perhaps even a little better than average. So I don’t think they’ll miss the playoffs because of defensemen, barring 2 or 3 long-term injuries.

Goaltending you may be right, but I do have some faith that Montoya, Poulin, or maybe even Nabokov will provide average NHL-starter goaltending.

All the Isles need is average from D and goal, I think, because the forwards should be above average to well above average.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 19, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty terrible at expressing thoughts clearly, sorry. I’m a math guy, not an English one.

My point was average defense, but especially average goaltending, wouldn’t be enough to keep pace with that group. Lundqvist, Bryzgalov (no matter how laughable a contract), Price, Miller, Brodeur (even at 83 years old) and Ward are all very good to elite goalies, and Reimer’s play will likely be at least as good as anything you’re throwing out there this year.

When you’re talking about competing for spots that might only be separated by a few points, that’s a deal breaker. The forwards are what would get you to the point of competition, but as good/promising as they are, I don’t think as a unit they’re so good that they would make up the gap in the goaltending.

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by George E. Ays on Aug 19, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

Although I think PIT actually will be a contender (almost) no matter what. Even with half seasons from Crosby and Malkin they were a point off winning the conference. I think they have enough solid players up front to stay competitive, with a good group of dmen and Fleury.

Obviously it pains me to say all of this, but it’s probably true.

by afrosupreme on Aug 19, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur!

I’ve been saying for a few years now that both conferences have 3-4 teams that are ahead of everybody else, 3-4 teams that pretty much suck.

That leaves 7-9 teams in the middle to fight for those last 4-5 play-off spots.

A bad week or month and you are out of it.

by jonny4gets on Aug 19, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arbour and Torrey would say get the goals against down, that will lead to offensive chances

the “Ifs”:

One of the Goalies takes the job and owns it…

Streit’s return to health/his old self;

repeat season from Amac and Hamonic;

80 games combined from Eaton and Mottau;

40 games from Jurcina;

whether or not one or more of Wishart, Dehaan and Donovan are ready/contribute at an NHL level @ some point during the season

maybe Klementyev is ready to be a 6th or 7th D man

by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 18, 2011 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

One of the Goalies takes the job and owns it…

It doesn’t even need to be a single goalie. I don’t care if the Isles go with a rotation or a 3 man rotation, as long as they can get around a 910 to a 920 SV%

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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they have a save % around that

It will be probably come mostly 1 guy i would guess.
When nit comes it RDP I have always defended him when he has been criticized and fans have called for his buyout.

My arguement has always been that although his contract and injuries are “problems”, RDP is not holding back progress with the team. The team could still develop and get better with him as the Goalie.

This yI illi s a HUGE Year for RDP. A 60 game season with a .910 save percentage, a winning record and an Isles playoff birth would be one of the best things for this team.

They need RDP to step up this year

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by FB4Real on Aug 19, 2011 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

To me the fear is injuries (once again)

I believe this team has the horses to compete for a playoffs pot, absolutely. But which injuries hit and, just as importantly, which young replacements have to step in (and how well) are the big X factors.

I haven’t looked for this year, but in past years other teams were much better prepared to withstand injuries than the Islanders.

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by Dominik on Aug 19, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

22-34-8 vs East

yeah we did horrible, especially in our own division 6-13-5 for only 17 points out of a possible 48. NJD was 2nd worse vs our own division at 11-12-1 for 23 pts.

vs East at 22-34-8, 52pts out of 128, FLA were next at 23-31-10 for 56 pts then OTT 27-31-6 for 60 pts

vs west, 21 pts out of 36 possible at 8-5-5 which puts them right in the middle of the East teams

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by Rickfansince76 on Aug 18, 2011 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

the changes to Philly's centres alone may help the Isles

Schenn & Couturier may or may not replace Richards and Carter, but it ain’t happening in 2011-12. Philly is one team Isles have consistently given up points to in their division. This has to change to make playoffs. If ever there was a year for the worm to turn on this one, it is this year.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 18, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giroux can replace one

big question: is Schenn ready? I definitely like Isles centers better as a group.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 19, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know if you could say Giroux "replaces" one

Considering he had his breakout year already, unless you expect him to take another huge step forward from 70 points

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by Zhora on Aug 19, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

I don’t think he’ll have 100 pts, but 80-90 is possible with more EV and PP time.

(If Giroux replaces one of them, who replaces Giroux? I don’t have an answer for that.)

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 19, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah giroux

Is a playmaker without a goal scoring winger right now. Unless they move Hartnell or JVR to his line and i dont know if either of them can match Carters production

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by Zhora on Aug 19, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only one who could reasonably match that i believe

Is Briere, but that would be pretty much throwing all your eggs in one basket wouldnt it? And then who would be the second line center? Would they throw Schenn or Couturier to the wolves?

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by Zhora on Aug 19, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is, they can move Briere to play with Giroux to give him a goalscorer, but then the Hartnell line is going to have no real goalscorer.

And even then, Briere had 34goals last year. He needs to repeat that for them to have no loss of his production(which isn’t an easy task). I’d say Schenn takes over one of the center jobs, and even then their is a problem. And then you have the problem of who plays the tough minutes against the league’s top forwards and hurt their offensive play by doing so? Which I was discussing below and it’s a bit of a problem.

by OzzyFan on Aug 20, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

And considering Briere had soft minutes last year

He definitely wouldnt be matching that production. It looks like Giroux takes on the top competition with JVR and maybe hartnell, and Briere and Jagr will get soft minutes while Schenn is somewhere in between. Regardless of what happens, theyre offensive output is going to plummet by like 40 goals probably

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by Zhora on Aug 20, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And their defense is in question

With Pronger having several big injuries in the last year, him and Timonen being older and Timonen being in decline (at least offensively) for the past several years. then they have Carle Mezaros and Coburn, out of which id only really trust Coburn with tough minutes. Theres gonna be a lot of Bryzgalov next season, and he doesnt handle pressure real well.

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by Zhora on Aug 20, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bryz has actually been behind an underrated D too.

Morris/Michalek/Yandle/Jovocop/Aucoin as the interchangable top 4 for the last few years isn’t bad at all.

by OzzyFan on Aug 20, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

bottom line

no one in the division clearly stands out – its fully up for grabs (no pun intended)

also PIT has major injury concerns

BOS figures to get off to a hot start, but are they really that good or was that one solid streak of goaltending combined with a war of attrition?

are you sold on the Lightning?

have the Caps won anything lately?

the conference itself is up for grabs as well

going to be a fun year to be sure

by Cary K on Aug 18, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

good point Cary

who would have picked Boston to win it all at start of season? Had it not been for Dale Tallon’s fax machine, I think Chicago wins the cup again…anyway, i believe with NHL parity, any top 10 team is a cup contender and a few players away….a big reason why proponents want the trade deadline moved up.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 18, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

All in all, Isles will be an improved team...where will they finish?

worst case senario, bottom of bottom 10…best case senario, somewhere in middle of middle 10….2 to 4 years from now, barring a series of Milburies…this team should easily be a top 10 team

by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 18, 2011 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Christian Ehrhoff Quote via BuffaloNews.com

“I didn’t see that [Cup chance] with the Islanders so I decided not to take their offer, which was a great offer they made [five years for $23 million],” he said. "The next morning I woke up and was with Buffalo and went through the process again of talking to ownership, management and the coach.

Buffalo has a “Cup chance”? Would that be a chance at a Cup of coffee in Tim Horton’s?

Oh, how I would love to see one of our guys drive him through the boards.

This Penguins crap and can’t compete in the East stuff is really pissing me off. I can’t wait until this team is all the way back on the map taking names and kicking butt.

by rmblifn on Aug 18, 2011 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

This is some great cork board stuff...

Mr Ehrhoff, meet Mr. Martin. Mr. Martin will be spending a lot of time in your grill this year. You aren’t in Kansas Vancouver anymore. Cups will be important to you this year… very important. Because you will be obtaining most of your nutrition from a cup… well… not directly, but through a straw.

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by JPinVA on Aug 19, 2011 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

just checked Buffalo's standings

and yes, they might be a talented team, but in the last 4 years they’ve missed the playoffs twice and been knocked out in the first round the last two years. What makes them any closer then let’s say the Rangers?

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by Mark D on Aug 19, 2011 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Finishing the season 29-12-6 even though they were missing their leading scorer?

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by Ubiquitous on Aug 19, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be one reason

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by Mark D on Aug 19, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Buffalo to some extent

I just don’t get why Regier burned through his newfound riches so quickly. He’s damn-near Sather-lite, after Sather escaped Edmonton and finally showed us what he could do with a big budget.

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by Dominik on Aug 19, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never underestimate the interfering owner factor when a GM does something uncharacteristic.

I did with Holmgren and Snider on the Bryz issue, and look what happened. Holmgren was crying in that Carter/Richards press conference.

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by Niesy on Aug 19, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Conventional wisdom is that Regier did his best work while the NHL owned the Sabres. I’m not necessarily convinced about Leino, especially as a Center, but I think the Sabres outright fleeced the Flames for Regehr. DBTB literally could not believe that we were the ones who got another pick for taking Regehr. Just for Chris Butler.
I think the reason people are talking about the Sabres having high expectation is the fact that they might now have the deepest D corps in the league, and the fact that they didn’t necessarily suck at scoring last year.

by Philaster on Aug 19, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, the Regehr trade was nice

It was more the term and length for Leino (about whom I’m not at all convinced) that really had me scratching my head.

Like, I thought the Boyes trade was an okay “well, we’ve got surplus cash to overpay him for a couple years” risk, going in knowing that the guy makes too much for what he provides but might be a key depth guy if other cheaper players shine. And I guess that’s why I like maintaining some flexibility, some payroll room, for eventualities where you might need to bring a guy in who’s an upgrade albeit an overpaid one.

You do that when you have room and get a near-term upgrade. Six years for Leino at AAV of $4.5 million, especially with the other legacy contracts they already had, strikes me as such a foolhardy risk.

They still have some nice deals. Gerbe probably outperforms. But if you’re filling your forward corps with $4 million AAV’s, you better be damn sure they work. To me their biggest question marks are also the guys they have signed to the longest term.

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by Dominik on Aug 19, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You pretty much nailed it. Especially considering the long-term contracts that are lukewarm at best (like Jochen Hecht). Vanek’s contract was pretty much forced on us. Pominville’s contract kind of blows, but he’s too much of an asset to be too upset about.
Incidentally, I think the Isles really have a good chance at a playoff run this year. If the kids get a chance to develop a little more, and if you get a new barn, I think you’ll see more FAs want to sign there. You could be within cup contention with 4-5 years.

by Philaster on Aug 19, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Darcy with his new checkbook

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by Ubiquitous on Aug 19, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buffalo has a "Cup chance"? Would that be a chance at a Cup of coffee in Tim Horton’s?

LOL!

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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It should be interesting...

The Isles should be better next year but, their defense still worries me. Streit is coming off major shoulder surgery and missed a full season. Do you expect him to be logging 28 minutes in Oct? I don’t. Do you have faith in Mottau and Eaton coming back from injury. I wouldn’t mind Jurcina and Wishart as the third pair but, when the injuries come and they will, is deHaan ready? Is Donovan?
Say you start the year with Streit, Hamonic, A-Mac; Jurcina, Eaton and Mottau. Then one of the top three and one of the bottom three go down. Wishart and deHaan replace them.
Are you confident in that defense? What if a third defenseman is injuried?
You need to be 8 to 9 deep on the blueline and the Isles just aren’t there yet.

by John from ATL on Aug 18, 2011 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I am comfortable with...

Wishart filling in top-4 and Katic bottom-2, unless DeHann is ready to go. Eaton could also fill in top-4 for a few games.

Long term injuries to D could sink the ship, though. I don’t like Isles’ chances with Streit and Jurcina out for an extended time, for instance.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 19, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

CDH?

Calvin brings up an interesting question right now…. Was he the reason that Jankowski is no longer with the organizaton?
He’s really going to have to shine in the next three years to justify all the movement for him and passing on Kulikov. I fully expect Donovan to be a better player, Hamonic already looks like he could be an eventual key player. I highly doubt he’d have been able to earn a spot with Radek and Jack still on the team, but now he has a legit shot at some point.

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by JPinVA on Aug 19, 2011 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Thoughts on Jankowski

I don’t think we’ll ever know why his contract wasn’t renewed, but I think it might have had to do with him looking around for other jobs outside the organization. In the spring before he left there were always rumors he was going here or there. No employer likes a guy who’s always got a foot out the door. Or maybe he was just asking for too much.

In any event, I don’t think he was all that critical to the scouting. I get the impression that Trent Klatt was more instrumental in actually scouting guys but didn’t want to oversee the operation, maybe because he doesn’t consider himself a management type. But Garth basically got him to do the job from Minnesota or wherever he’s based anyway.

I think Garth’s a real good manager in the sense of identifying talented people, putting them in the right positions to succeed and then getting out of the way so they can do their job.

by rmblifn on Aug 19, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That is becoming...

more and more evident each year.

I think Garth’s a real good manager in the sense of identifying talented people, putting them in the right positions to succeed and then getting out of the way so they can do their job.

With their successful 2008 draft strategy, and the bright outlook of the turnaround I think I (I can’t speak for everybody) may have overvalued Janks in that spot. It looks as though the organization came up with a real winning strategy this year.
I don’t know who Trent Klatt is, but if you have more knowledge of that situation, it sounds like an excellent subject for a Fan Post. As long as it’s not CB-esque… “Garth is good, but here’s the true genius…”

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by JPinVA on Aug 19, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Garth’s a real good manager in the sense of identifying talented people, putting them in the right positions to succeed and then getting out of the way so they can do their job.

Its remarkable how many non-Isles fans are completely oblivious to Garths strengths. I had some doof on Twitter trying to be antagonistic and fight with me by saying to me “Garth Snow”. As if I would be mad being reminded the name of the Isles GM? So clueless.

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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice article Webs.

It hurts a bit reading a lot of people and hockey reporters/analysts predicting the isles finishing in the bottom 3 again. There are a few that think we are a bubble team, but we still never get the respect we deserve. And if we can get average goaltending overall this year with DeHaan or Donovan making a smooth jump to the nhl within this season/or Wishart elevating his game from last year, I think we make the playoffs. It’s still close, but barring major injuries, I think we are right on the line of miss/make it.

by OzzyFan on Aug 18, 2011 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Might as well weigh in with those power rankings here.

Especially since I haven’t been around much to comment on anything lately.

According to the final power rankings prior to the playoffs starting, the top two teams were from the West, but the next three were from the East. And thanks in part to the fact that both the Avalanche and Oilers finished in the bottom two (both Western teams), the Western teams ended up with only a slightly better average finishing position – 14.6 vs 16.4 for the East.

So, at least based on the very unbiased – although far from flawless – calculations made throughout the year, the West ended up being the better conference, but only slightly, although I should also mention that, by the time the playoffs concluded, the rankings flip-flopped. The Eastern teams ended up with an average position of 14.6, while the West’s average was 16.4.

So really the two conferences ended up pretty equal. Therefore, it would appear to me that the Isles would have an equal chance of making the playoffs regardless of conference, unless there was a major migration in the populations of elite players from one conference to the other.

Screw Nassau.

by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Aug 18, 2011 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Conference Thoughts...

the atlantic itself has questions, but is still a very tough, if not, the toughest division in hockey:

pittsburgh has the crosby/malkin issue, philly just revamped their entire team which actually makes them a wild-card (we’ll see this season who they become), rangers upgraded with richards. no doubt, i believe the rangers have the best team in the division barring any setbacks. devils are another wild-card. they have the potential to turn heads and can make the playoffs with a healthy roster. i mean, if you exclude the crazy year they had last year, they were making the playoffs. we’ll see how the new coach will shake things up over there.

for the rest of the conference: toronto is getting better, but i’m still not sold on them. montreal can be a playoff team with the talent they have so i can buy them. buffalo improved, playoffs. boston, top 3 team in the conference no doubt. they still get better and i’m looking forward to seeing seguin come into his own. ottawa, better luck next five years. washington, prob my conference pick. they now have a goalie. tampa bay is stocked with scoring, somewhat questionable D, but made up for with roli. carolina is better, but i’m still not sold on them either. florida slightly improved, but not a playoff team. winnipeg, looking forward to the unveiling of their jerseys.

in order i think it’ll look like this in April: Washington, Boston, NY Rangers, Tampa Bay, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, NY Islanders, Montreal,—-Philadelphia, New Jersey, Carolina, Toronto, Florida, Winnipeg, Ottawa. (of course, always subject to change :P)

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by gukid17 on Aug 19, 2011 5:51 AM EDT reply actions  

STATS SHMATS.

Noboby knows nuthin.
The best teams last season will likely be good again this year. Aside from that,
anything at all can happen and probably will.
That is sports TODAY.

by dose on Aug 19, 2011 7:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I counted 16 regulation 1 goal losses last season

plus 13 OTL. so if we can just win half of those 29 games it would give us around 90 points. still out last season but very close.

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by Rickfansince76 on Aug 19, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

how does that rank us?

i think most teams have alot of close games…

by DirtyIsle on Aug 19, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

More close games, no. Over the last 4 seasons, you’re near the top (6th, 160), but everyone in the league (except Ottawa, 133) is between 143 and 165. Everyone plays lots of close games each year. That’s not including games won by 2 with EN goals either.

You are last in points percentage (.5375%) and 2nd to last in win% (.406, ahead of only Tampa)

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by George E. Ays on Aug 19, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Over the last 4 seasons, you’re near the top (6th, 160)

Thats about right, but I think when you factor in games where the Isles were winning a close game then wound up losing a not close game, they would shoot up even higher than 6th. It has to do with all the ridiculous injuries over recent seasons, for sure… over those same 4 seasons, no other NHL team can even come close to the number of man games lost that the Isles have had to deal with.

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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We also suck in back to backs

and have 7 or 8 less of those this year. That may help.

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by Keith Quinn on Aug 19, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

good!

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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't underestimate the Devils...

sure, they will be missing zajak for 8-10 weeks starting now, which means how many reg season games? not many… and, they get parise back. ya, he’s coming off injury, but so is streit and like 9 of our other guys, most of those guys being our older players who typically have more difficulty in returing from major surgery. the Devil’s will also be in their 2nd season with their new players..ie kovalchuk, volchenkov, etc… they have a new coach which is a big plus as fas as im concerned given how bad maclean was, and brodeur won’t be as bad nor as injured as last year. i still think we have a shot, fo sho, but the devils won’t be as bas as they were last year.

by DirtyIsle on Aug 19, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

not underestimating the Devils, I was just trying to point out how quick things can change, and why it’s pointless to say a team is guaranteed a playoff spot.

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by Mark D on Aug 19, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

don’t underestimate the Devils…

And dont not underestimate them while underestimating any other teams.
IMO there is no reason the Devs deserve any kind of mythical “can-do” than other teams deserve.

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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Islanders have shot and playoffs; furthermore, generally speaking, anyone team with over 100 points is in top 1/3 (top 10 team) of league and a cup contender

that means, Isles would have to add about 30 points to their 73 point total…they may or may not make playoffs this year, but I expect them to cut that 30 points in half…and with parity, generally all the top 10 teams are one or two players away…this team is closer than some think, but they really can’t afford to trade away their depth either…i’d only make a trade if it makes the team better now and in the future…

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May 24, 1980: Tonelli to Nystrom. At long last, the steady build of the New York Islanders from expansion doormat to surprise semifinalist to annual contender reaches the promised land: Buoyed by a late season trade for Butch Goring that gave the team the depth up the middle GM Bill Torrey had been seeking, the Islanders knock off the Philadelphia Flyers in six games.

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