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Alternate Islanders Picks: They coulda drafted *that* guy?

The Rakh and de Haan inch their way up the ladder.

Historians debate the date, but most peg the New York Islanders rebuild beginning at the 2008 draft. A huge part of Garth Snow's new direction was to compile and hang on to draft picks, beginning with that draft and the decision to trade down twice in the first round.

The product of those trades is a somewhat blurry lineage, as the keystone has played 211 NHL games but also saw AHL time this year, while the other picks were used for multiple selections and trades over multiple years.

Suffice to say, extra picks don't necessarily land you a key player; rather they give you flexibility for trades and a shotgun approach to drafting (more bullets in the chamber), each of which increases your odds of landing a key player.

Of course, that doesn't work if you don't draft well and don't trade well. Have the Islanders done so? Four summers is too soon to tell on 18- to 21-year-olds, but it's still a fun exercise to look back at what was on the table when the Islanders' turn came up.

Star-divide

I was going to do this only with the Islanders' 2011 draft to understand the choices they had before them at each pick, but the speculation got too wild for my tastes. So instead I'm looking back at the whole rebuild, in a way similar to but not quite inspired by a recent Copper & Blue post.

For "they coulda got THAT guy!" examples, at the top of the draft I limited it to a few choices after the Islanders picked. I figure if three teams pass on a kid, that's enough to stop pretending the "right" choice was obvious to all. Later on, I expanded that to anyone with NHL experience or, barring that, a funny name.

Just a warning before we dig in: You're going to recognize the Islanders' late-round picks more simply because we think about them more. But overall, the rules is that very few of these guys have appeared in NHL games yet, and many never will.

2008

2008 Pos Player Could have had...
1 (9) C Josh Bailey* Cody Hodgson (10) or Tyler Meyers (12)
2 (36) C Corey Trivino Uhh...Roman Josi (hey, he's Swiss)
2 (40) d Aaron Ness* Yann Sauve (41), Luke Adam (44)
2 (53) d Travis Hamonic Patrice Cormier (54)
3 (66) d David Toews*** Marc-Andre Bourdon (67)
3 (72) d Jyri Niemi*, *** Kirill Petrov (73)
3 (73) R Kirill Petrov** Evgeny Grachev (75)
4 (96) d Matt Donovan Jamie Arniel (97)
4 (102) C David Ullstrom Johan Motin (103)
5 (126) g Kevin Poulin Matt Calvert (127)
5 (148) L Matt Martin Philip Larsen (149)
6 (156) d Jared Spurgeon *** Teemu Hartikainen (163)
6 (175) C Justin Dibenedetto **** Tommy Wingels (177)

* Technically, this choice is more complex thanks to the trade down. The Islanders could have had Luke Schenn or Nikita Filatov (lol) if they hadn't traded down at all, and Colin Wilson if they hadn't traded down twice. Those trades got them the picks that netted Aaron Ness, Jyri Niemi, and David Ullstrom.

** The route to the Kirill Petrov pick is insane, and one of those reasons I thank Bossy for ProSportsTransactions.com. The Denis Grebeshkov trade (February 2007) netted Marc-Andre Bergeron and this Petrov pick. But this Petrov pick was sent back to the Oilers in July 2007 for the pick that netted Travis Hamonic. Meanwhile, the Petrov pick (along with the Tyler Meyers pick) went to Anaheim as compensation for the Dustin Penner signing. The Ducks of course flipped the one pick to Buffalo, and the Petrov pick to the Islanders for ... Marc-Andre Bergeron.

*** Toews and Spurgeon's rights were allowed to lapse. Niemi was traded to the Rangers for one of the picks that got the Islanders the pick that netted Brendan Kichton in 2011. (Still with me?)

**** DiBendetto's pick was acquired in the 2007 trade of Chris Simon to the Wild.

Wow, that's a lot of italics. Sorry.

There's a reason people look at 2008 as a pivotal draft, and it's not just because of the timing. From top to bottom there remains a lot of realistic potential there. The fact that two of the three players no longer with the organization are sandwiched in the middle of the 3rd round really underlines how it's a crapshoot where having multiple picks isn't a bad idea at all.

2009

2009 Pos Player Could have had...
1 (1) C John Tavares Victor Hedman (2), Matt Duchene (3)
1 (12) d Calvin de Haan* Zack Kassian (13), Dmitry Kulikov (14)
2 (31) g Mikko Koskinen Landon Ferraro (32), Ryan O'Reilly (33)
3 (62) g Anders Nilsson Ben Hanowski (63)
4 (92) C Casey Cizikas Alex Hutchings (93)
5 (122) d Anton Klementyev Olivier Roy (133)
6 (152) C Anders Lee Dave Labrecque (153)

* The Islanders famously did a reverse-Bailey and traded up twice for de Haan. The first one gave the Blue Jackets the pick that became Kyle Palmieri. The second one gave the Wild the pick that became Nick Leddy. The Islanders also gave up picks that would become Anders Nilsson and Casey Cizikas in these maneuvers, but they got both of those picks back when the Blue Jackets wanted to trade up for Kevin Lynch.

Much lighter draft, but still several promising picks top to bottom, even without Tavares. While taking two goalies before 62 was a risk (one arguably mandated by Rick DiPietro's injury saga), interestingly the most make-or-break decision remains what kind of player de Haan becomes.

2010

2010 Pos Player Could have had...
1 (5) W Nino Niederreiter Jeff Skinner (7), Alexander Burmistrov (8)
1 (30) C Brock Nelson* Tyler Pitlick (31), Jared Knight (32)
3 (65) L Kirill Kabanov Radko Gudas (66)
3 (82) L Jason Clark Matt MacKenzie (83)
5 (125) d Tony Dehart Freddie Hamilton (129)
7 (185) g Cody Rosen None. There is none more Rosen.

* The Islanders traded the #35 (Ludvig Rensfeldt) and #58 (acquired for Andy Sutton) to grab Nelson.

What an interesting year: Nino may prove to be a reach or may prove to be brilliant, but he should be solid regardless. Nelson was possibly worth swapping two picks IF you believe he wouldn't be there at #35, which is plausible. Kabanov may yet prove to be the steal of the draft, a risk the Islanders could take by virtue of having numerous picks in this era.

And then you have Dehart who is already gone, and Rosen who was a head-scratcher (he didn't believe it when he got the call) but well we're all pulling for him anyway. Clark has clear talent but required two hip surgeries this summer.

2011

(Note: Sorry, I left out Brenden Kichton originally. Thank you to the eagle-eyes who caught it.)

2011 Pos Player Could have had...
1 (5) C Ryan Strome Mika Zibanejad (6), Sean Couturier (8)
2 (34) d Scott Mayfield Tomas Jurco (35)
2 (50) C Johan Sundstrom* Alexander Ruuttu (51)
3 (63) d Andrey Pedan** Vincent Trocheck (64)
4 (94) d Robbie Russo Jean-Gabriel Pageau (96)
5 (125) L John Persson Fredrik Claesson (126)
5 (127) d Brenden Kichton
Seth Ambroz (127)
7 (185) C Mitchell Theoret Jordan Fransoo (186)

* The Sundstrom pick was acquired along with a 2012 5th in the James Wisniewski trade.

** The Islanders acquired the Pedan pick (63) the previous summer from the Avalanche in exchange for the 2010 4th (95), which the Avs used to select Stephan Silas.

So obviously it's too early to make anything sensible of the most recent draft. For what it's worth, it was rated well by NHL observers, and two of the pleasing picks were made possible by trades.

 

Pre-Rebuild

How did this rebuild come about? Well, in a weird way Ryan Smyth helped pave the way. Snow did what I suspect a lot would do in their first year as GM: He went for it, dumping some prospects they didn't want and a first-rounder for a rental who, despite much wooing, would not re-sign. That season Snow also swapped a 2nd for renting Richard Zednik. Snow has yet to spend his picks so freely again.

2007 Pos Player Could have had...
3 (62) d Mark Katic Maxime Macenauer (63)
3 (76) L Jason Gregoire Nick Palmieri (79)
4 (106) L Maxim Gratchev Mitch Fadden (107)
6 (166) d Blake Kessell Johan Harju (167)
7 (196) d Simon Lacroix Michael Ward (197)

The year of the Smyth trade and going for it. Not a lot of picks in the draft, and the best one might have been the guy who used an NCAA/CBA route to become a free agent this summer and sign with his hometown team.

It's not that the Islanders chose poorly here, it's that they left themselves with few choices in what may prove to be an unimpressive draft year anyway. (Edmonton used the Smyth pick in the first round on Alex Plante, whose credentials are far from certain.)

Pre-Snow: The Weird Summer

2006 Pos Player Could have had...
1 (7) R Kyle Okposo Peter Mueller (8), James Sheppard (9)
2 (60) L Jesse Joensuu Jamie McBain (63)
3 (70) W Robin Figren Brad Marchand (71), Cal Clusterbuck (72)
4 (100) R Rhett Rakhshani Joonas Lehtivuori (101)
4 (108) G Jase Weslosky Matt Beleskey (112)
4 (115) C Tomas Marcinko Hugo Carpentier (118)
4 (119) C Doug Rogers Bboby Hughes (123)
5 (126) d Shane Sims Andrew Bodnarchuk (128)
5 (141) W Kim Johansson Olivier Magnan (148)
6 (160) d Andrew MacDonald Viktor Stalberg (161)
6 (171) R Brian Day Petteri Wirtanen (172)
6 (173) g Stefan Ridderwall Michael Dupont (175)
7 (190) L Troy Mattila Benn Ferriero (196)

So this is the yang to 2008's yin. People will debate forever who was in charge -- this was the summer of Neil Smith's 40 Days -- and whose crew decided what at the draft, but it obviously wasn't Snow, who would still be the club's veteran goalie for one more month.

For the present I'm just interested in how many "bullets" they had and how few have hit. Okposo is a success and better than the first-round picks that immediately followed him. Andrew MacDonald is one of those true late-round late bloomers. Rakhshani may yet show something at the NHL level. The rest...? Sometimes having a lot of shots isn't enough. As far as obvious regrets though, only the Figren pick stands out for who followed him.

Again, it's too early to tell and we're prone to lodge more hope in the prospects we know than in the prospects other teams' fans know. But so far in the rebuild years, the Islanders don't have many (if any) clear "Awww, they shoulda drafted THAT guy!" moments. If anything, it's the pick swaps that will keep us guessing, although those too usually created other options that complicate the question.

This is an early look. We'll look back again in a year or two when The Other Kessel is just a brother and ... maybe the Natural Born Kirills are embodying Russians with love?

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4 (119) C Doug Rogers Bobby Hughes (123)

Okay, that must have been a weak round if your saying we could have had the guy whose career was ruined by a rape charge…
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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2011 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Hughes was later found innocent of charges

Per hockeydb.com, he played the last couple of seasons with the Wichita Thunder of the CHL.

by Dougtone on Aug 18, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yea, I should have mentioned that. We did keep up with the story in fanshots and had some interesting discussions with the Albany area Islander fans about the Bars up that way.

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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll thank the Albany Times Union for that

Since the local rag seems to like to heavily report on every crime and trial within a 50 mile radius, the Hughes trial was almost front page news.

by Dougtone on Aug 18, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was very weak

So I only cited him as a joke.

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by Dominik on Aug 18, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mad Mike

At least (it appears) Snow hasn’t drafted Robert Nilsson while leaving Zach Parise on the board.

by Chin Ho on Aug 18, 2011 7:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

I just spit out my coffee reading that and now I have a horrible tummy ache lol

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by CharlieIsles on Aug 18, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Imagine if the isles had Patrice Cormier considering that charging elbow he landed in juniors. We would have another awful bully and thug charge.

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Aug 18, 2011 7:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

And by awful I mean completely deserving. Just ask briere.

Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

by Turgeon1992 on Aug 18, 2011 7:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

His one saving grace

Is we still have his rights, so if he has a big season in SEL we can always bring him back.

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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone, maybe TMC

pointed out that a lot of Swedish youngsters don’t really come around to their potential until they are 25-26. At very worst maybe his rights are a good trade chip if he does put up a good season.

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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like something I would have said. And it really seems to be true.

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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha, but continuing to play devil's advocate, how long does he have to mature?

He turns 24 in October and he looked to be an average at best 4th liner last year. At best, I’d expect him to become a good 3rd liner in ~2yrs which I’d expect is his peak. By then, a lot of the farm will have become NHL ready and we should be overflowing with bottom 6 talent(and we are already throwing up an above average forward core next year) making a 26yr old 3rd liner useless to us, especially one that would be more expensive then an elc player. In essence, this is Joensuu’s goodbye ticket unless he becomes a top 6 player which is highly highly unlikely. I’m sure we are on the same page, I just wanted to point this out anyway.

by OzzyFan on Aug 19, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of all of those

for me Figren one spot in front of Marchand is the toughest to swallow. Obviously it’s basically impossible to predict at that point, and he’s a smaller player, but man did he ever come to play in the postseason this past year.

by afrosupreme on Aug 18, 2011 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Seriously

that one hurts in retrospect

Hoping that Haley comes around more than once every 75 years.

by ilopan on Aug 18, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but...

20-something other teams passed on him TWICE. It was a dart that landed just right for Boston. In 2008, Isles threw a good dart with Hamonic at #53 and they very well may have chosen 4 NHLers after the 2nd round. (Petrov, Donovan, Poulin, Martin wouldn’t be much of a stretch.)… I wouldn’t fault Snow and co. for passing on Marchand.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 18, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

i read somewhere once that if you get two bona fide NHLers (play 400 or more career games) per draft, you’ve had a good draft. All teams will have bust drafts, where no one pan-out…even Torrey did…but strong drafts make up for this…one thing we can say in all certainity now…without even an argument against…is that Snow and staff have drafted well…next phase is development, and to continue to draft well…

when i look @ Atlanta/Winnipeg, similar to this study by Dom, it shows that team didn’t draft so bad early at least, which leads to be wonder if their development is problem? Unlike Isles who also drafted well late (one expects a certain amount of draft success when picking high a number of times) , Atlanta/Winnipeg seems to have sucked all around @ drafting and development with exception of a few…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 18, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking

Going through the lists (and in the later rounds, I usually looked 5-10 guys past the Isles pick), that was the one that stands out. Which I guess isn’t bad overall.

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by Dominik on Aug 18, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Isles had picked Marchand

SO many Isles fans would have been complaining and begging Garth to trade him for someone with some SIZE. Bigger, bigger, bigger.

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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true too

Funny thing is that he has a pretty good low-to-the-ice physical presence, like Steve Thomas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og0CuA-FXBM
But can’t quite throw them like Thomas.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 19, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides just drafting the right guy...

how much does a teams development personnel affect the growth and maturation of a prospect?

So all things being equal, how likely would Jeff Skinner reproduce his rookie year if he was drafted by the Islanders instead of Carolina?

I often wonder if a player succeeds because of the program/environment he is placed in rather than his natural talent, or am I over-looking the obvious, i.e. a players natural talent, and searching of reasons to make me feel good, as an Islanders fan, for the Nilsson/Parise debacle?

by Jones79 on Aug 18, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

So all things being equal, how likely would Jeff Skinner reproduce his rookie year if he was drafted by the Islanders instead of Carolina?

considering how grabner used his speed so well, he probably would have had a very respectable rookie campaign, but not a calder winning one

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by bob l on Aug 18, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a couple....

Swap Tyler Myers for Bailey any day of the week…….

I am on the bubble regarding CDH – some days I like Kassian and others Kulikov

I like Palmeri and thought that was miss since he is a big bodied right wing. Clustersuck would be interesting on our fourth line…..

I am happy with our 2011 draft…if Nino pans out then I am happy with 2010….2009 was a great draft for us……

But it is clear we are getting a haul of prospects with each draft under Snow which is great and the quality of our players seem to be getting better.

by TheMagus on Aug 18, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed 99.8%

I think CDH has more upside then the other two….but you said you were on the bubble so that could change. I agree with everything else you said.

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by CharlieIsles on Aug 18, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

Both at the time and two years later (not a long time, admittedly) that stood out as the most “whoa, you better be sure” pivotal moment. I think de Haan will be pretty good, I just don’t know if he’s going to be outright special like the double trade up implied.

Then again, they might have been climbing the charts to get Ellis.

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by Dominik on Aug 18, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

only commodities i see missing in prospects system is those Gillies/Nystrom type wingers (maybe Lee, maybe Martin can be a modern day Nystrom?) and an all around bona fide number one D man, like a Potvin or Bourque…although I believe the number one D man will most likely come from UFA in a few years when team is a contender…until then, its draft BPA, keep filling depth for all positions and roles, but keep the radar out for that number one D and those Gillies/Nystrom wingers…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 18, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

2010 1st Round

Hopefully Nino won’t disappoint us, but, how would Fowler look next to Streit or Hammer?

by O.Bender on Aug 18, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

2010 1st Round

Hopefully Nino won’t disappoint us, but, how would Fowler look next to Streit or Hammer?

by O.Bender on Aug 18, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Fowler

is a one hit wonder personally.

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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’ll be better than that because the PP1 unit he gets to play with is a beast. So he might keep his point totals somewhat steady simply by being the 5th best guy there.

I’m not sure he could even be described a ‘hit’ yet, he had a miserable defensive season (albeit against decent competition) and was average in points production at even strength (which is above average for 18 an year old)

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by George E. Ays on Aug 18, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dom, don't forget Kichton on your 2011 list

I’m back from Praha pivovar and Berliner pilsner and boy is my liver tired…

Can’t complain about the rebuild too much…I think Garth gets better at it every year. Tyler Myers and Brad Marchand and Nick Palmieri and Zack Kassian would’ve been nice, but every pick he’s made in the past affects every pick he’s made since, so the resulting picks of not picking those guys may have been Mayfield, Pedan, Sundstrom, Niederreiter and Nelson. I’ve got no real complaints…just miss getting lost in a centuries-old city with the best sausage and beer I’ve ever had…sigh…is it october yet?

OH wait, who’s going to Champions tomorrow to see TEH GAME of Reckoning?

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by Bryan2112 on Aug 18, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

OH wait, who’s going to Champions tomorrow to see TEH GAME of Reckoning?

No one, it’s been cancelled, see the Front Page

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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are still going

At this point its a matter of principle.

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by TheMetalChick on Aug 19, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome to hear

Glad you had a great time, and to hear I didn’t oversell it.

Thanks for the Kichton note. Apparently mentioning him earlier made me forget to add him.

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by Dominik on Aug 18, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like my fellow countryman Josi is on the could have had list only because

of his nationality and I can’t really blame anyone here for not knowing him. I’m the first one to know squat about other teams prospects. That being said, it’s a pity the Isles didn’t draft him as he is projected to be a very good offensive defenceman. Last November, one month into Josi’s AHL rookie season, Houston Admirals coach Lambert made a promising statement:
“Coach Lambert said last week that pretty soon, fans are going to be seeing that Josi may be the most talented defenseman that we’ve had in Milwaukee. And that says A LOT, considering how many defenseman playing in Nashville have spent some time here.”

by Francesca on Aug 18, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, I was being too glib there

I actually did pick him because he’s seen as promising, I just got carried away with the nationality fandom in my head.

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by Dominik on Aug 18, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will say just 2 things:

Tavares>all forwards in his draft

Hamonic>all d-men drafted after him

=WIN

by OzzyFan on Aug 18, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Curious to see the "one that got away" by position

In Bailey’s case it is fairly obvious that you can compare Bailey, a center, to Hodgson who is also a center, but it is harder to compare Katic and Macenauer since one is a D and one is a forward. I think teams should always pick best available, but as a drafting strategy I think teams will always take into account depth at a certain position in the draft and the organization.

In a simplistic example, if you are picking 10th and 15th and there is only one good defenseman left and 6 good forwards left you would think you pick the D 10th f you have a need for defenseman knowing at 15 you can still get equal calibre forwards. So evene though a “better” forward may have been available they may have targeted a defenseman since they were a rarer commodity and the draft is still one terrific crap shoot.

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by Hockey1919 on Aug 18, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

Going through it, especially in the later rounds, I tried to get similar positioned guys. Sometimes though the gap was too many picks, or there was a player who stood out ever so very slightly more because he’s actually had some NHL experience so far, etc.

I think about the scenario you describe with the de Haan pick. Would the Isles have picked Ellis? Or Kulikov if de Haan weren’t available?

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by Dominik on Aug 18, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've always believed Snow was chasing Ellis and settled on De haan

Snow even looked like he didn’t get his man at the draft, but who knows…the guy also plays his cards close to the chest so maybe i’m wrong.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 18, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

define best player available?

i think it is obvious in the early going, but particularly as the draft gets deeper, BPA becomes more and more a definition that differs with each organizations philosophy. Example, if your picking in th fourth round, a team like Montreal might consider a 5’11 D man with 70 plus points better than a 6’4 210 pound D man with 35 points. Conversely, Philly may very well rank the latter ahead of the former.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Aug 18, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to admit, the idea of seeing another Ferraro play for the Islanders does bring a smile to my face. Oh what could have been. :)

by ChryWheatGod on Aug 18, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

re: the picture

I didn’t know Ernst was a hockey referee! Was the other ref Forrest Gump? Were Harry and Floyd the linesmen?

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by mikb on Aug 18, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

good write-up

It’s hard to see what they could possibly have done differently that was clearly much smarter than what they actually did – at least for right now. I’d have to go back to 2006, because we never really got anything out of Brian Day, and I like Petteri Wirtanen (center, good faceoff guy, high defensive value but not much of a shot).

Full disclosure – yes, I went out and got Wirtanen for my fake Panthers. What can I say, Rob Globke wasn’t going to play forever.

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by mikb on Aug 18, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

lol Cal CluSterbuck

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by garik16 on Aug 18, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

But I think our team allegiance must artificially inflate your ranking by several spots. ;)

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by Dominik on Aug 18, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only pick that leaves me troubled (for now) is taking Nino over Skinner.

Granted, we haven’t seen the last of Nino (hell, we haven’t seen much of Nino) BUT…Skinner’s looking like the steal of last year’s draft right about now.

Time will tell, and I’m pulling for Nino to make a year late but better overall value than Skinner, but right now, Skinner’s looking like the guy Garth should have taken.

Of course, the thing about Skinner that REALLY chaps my ass is that Jim Rutherford never seemed to make “Golden Ticket” picks like this when the team was in Hartford…

I hate the ’Canes…

Jeff Carter to Columbus? Wait, I've seen this one before, it was called Shanahan to Hartford. Advice? Don't buy a Carter jersey.

by BrassBonanza10 on Aug 18, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Call me crazy...

…but I’m not sure I’d take Skinner over Nino right now. Do Isles need another small-to-average finesse forward? If Nino’s game develops, he will be a great fit with Tavares. Isles were probably thinking some of this when they took Nino over Skinner.

True, the Isles could always trade Skinner for a good power forward.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 18, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, like I said, we haven't seen much of Nino...

For all we know, he might end up blowing Skinner’s numbers from this past season away this coming season, which, if he does, I’ll be ecstatic.

Just going on immediate impact (as displayed by Skinner last season) and Nino being “on the horizon”.

If Nino blows it up this year, he proves he was definitely the better pick and worth the wait.

Jeff Carter to Columbus? Wait, I've seen this one before, it was called Shanahan to Hartford. Advice? Don't buy a Carter jersey.

by BrassBonanza10 on Aug 18, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skinner is interesting

He had some help to goose his numbers last year, but even still, to do what he did so very young is just a fantastic sign. So today I’d pick him over Nino (reserving the right to change my mind again in one year or two years).

But he’s one of those guys I don’t blame a team for passing on at #5: Very late surge in his draft year, size concerns, etc. Those picks look brilliant if they turn out but idiotic if any of those concerns come true.

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by Dominik on Aug 18, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a shorter, more concise way of putting it.

One post to make a point it took me two to make.

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Jeff Carter to Columbus? Wait, I've seen this one before, it was called Shanahan to Hartford. Advice? Don't buy a Carter jersey.

by BrassBonanza10 on Aug 18, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baha

I rarely say anything in five words that I can just as easily say in 16.

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by Dominik on Aug 19, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is a key, i think

It’s tough to develop power forwards, so I think the Isles were grabbing up Nino, because he had such a great ceiling. All other things being equal, they wanted the guy who could fit that profile.

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by mikb on Aug 18, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

NHL 12

So this is off-topic and doesn’t really have anything to do with the topic post, but I was interested in seeing if anybody here was interested in picking up NHL 12 and starting some sort of fantasy season/series/franchise/whatever. I’m not sure how it’s going to work as it’s still a few weeks away, but I wanted to gauge anyone’s interest over starting a league this way as well.

I’ve got both a 360 and a PS3, but prefer gameplay on the 360. Thoughts?

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by Fabtraption on Aug 18, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Someone tried this last year

I don’t think there was much interest. You can always check the fanpost archives.

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by Mark D on Aug 18, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm lazy

so I’ll just assume there’s no interest.

Or maybe I’ll try again as we get closer to the season.

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by Fabtraption on Aug 18, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say try again for sure

I think our traffic is roughly double what it was last year (maybe not quite that high, but still significant), and of course it’s a topic a certain amount of people would be into.

Email me if you want help/tips on getting the message through.

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by Dominik on Aug 18, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll probably make a Fanshot down the line.

Or just stick it in a popular thread as we get closer to the season. I should probably get the game first and try it out before proposing such an awesome, awesome idea.

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by Fabtraption on Aug 19, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

id be down for it

wake me up when the isles start to play

by DarthDoyle on Aug 20, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brenden Kichton

Don’t forget Brenden Kichton at 127. I think he’ll turn out to be one of the steals of the draft.

by Uwe43 on Aug 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Kichton question

Since Brenden Kichton was drafted as a 19 year old player, does that mean the Isles retain his rights for one season before deciding whether or not they need to sign him to an ELC, or is it two seasons. I’m thinking one season, but some clarification may be nice.

by Dougtone on Aug 18, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not the CBA expert

But I think it would depend on how long he’s in JRs for.

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by Mark D on Aug 19, 2011 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

19-year-olds in juniors
If a Player who is drafted for the first time as a 19-year-old ceases to play in the Juniors in the first League Year after he has been drafted, his Club shall have exclusive right of negotiation for his services until the third June 1 following his init ial select ion in the Entry Draft. His selecting Club may retain exclusive rights of negotiation for a fourth year by tendering the Player a Bona Fide Offer in accordance with 8.6(a)(ii), provided that such Bona Fide Offer may be made at any time prior to the third June 1 following his initial select ion in the Entry Draft.

I know what you’re thinking of, but I think that relates to unsigned draftees who re-enter the draft at 20. Best I can tell nothing much changes for 19-year-old draftees — unless they leave juniors early, in which case their escape options get even worse.

I could be missing something here though.

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by Dominik on Aug 19, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bailey Draft...

During that whole time, I was one of the guys who was hoping the Isles would take Filatov. There were other guys I hoped the Isles took and wasn’t too high on Bailey…glad i’m not GM :P

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by gukid17 on Aug 19, 2011 5:14 AM EDT reply actions  

I was hoping

(A) Schenn, (B) Filatov, or © Hodgson.

I remember being surprised when Isles dropped to #9 and didn’t take Hodgson.

by North Dakota Red Eagle on Aug 19, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently there were copyright issues with Hodgson

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by Dominik on Aug 24, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

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