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Recalling Marty Reasoner's Draft Day...and Doug Weight Connection

I was looking at Marty Reasoner's NHL history -- stunned that it's already been a 12-year career -- when I remembered that I was there at the NHL draft when the St. Louis Blues selected him 14th overall.

This was the era when control-happy GM/coach Mike Keenan regularly traded draft picks for anyone with a claim to a Cup-winning team (thus, Stephane Matteau totally counted in the "clutchitude" department, so Keenan acquired him for Ian Laperriere. Awesome.).

That year the Blues hosted the draft, so there was a not-publicly stated organizational directive that the "Future? What future?" Keenan could not trade that #1 pick; the home fans needed someone to cheer on Draft Day. Turns out they would cheer for Reasoner, whom the Blues quickly billed as a Craig Janney type (Bruins/Blues era Janney -- not Sharks/Coyotes/Lightning/Islanders/etc.-era Janney), which of course set Reasoner up to miss expectations ...

Star-divide

... Which is why he was included in the -- wait for it, we're coming full circle here -- the trade in which the Blues acquired recently retired Islanders captain Doug Weight from the Oilers. (frequent Sabre Jochen Hecht was also an important piece of that deal...with pre-Nino Niederreiter highest Swiss draft pick ever Michel Riesen the lone prospect the Oilers shed.)

While I had to console a work colleague the day Reasoner was traded -- she had a Reasoner crush that Weight's handsome 5 o'clock shadow could not displace -- it's been fun to watch Reasoner's career go the way of Manny Malhotra and MIke Sillinger: Talented first-round pick who weren't first-line scorers, but who -- rather than going Daigle -- adapted their game to be fine two-way centers and faceoff specialists in the NHL.

I mentioned that career trajectory the day Reasoner was signed, but thinking back to his draft reminded me how some fantastic hockey players get to the NHL and peter out when their game does not translate, and other fantastic hockey players get to the NHL and rework their game rather than peter out.

Reasoner scored 45 points in 34 games for Boston College during his draft year. He added 73 points in 42 games at age 20 for B.C. This was the era when amateur stats were translated to the NHL more by feel rather than statistical analysis, but you could understand a player with those kind of stats might expect, and be touted, to at least do something like that at the next level.

 

Snow on Reasoner, Pursuit of Defense

Some of these quotes were published yesterday, but here's the Islanders in-house interview with Garth Snow about the Reasoner signing and the pursuit of other defense through trade.

I particularly enjoyed when they asked Snow about the league-wide spending frenzy on July 1, and Snow -- ever the diplomat with only a hint of Cheshire cat grin -- instead of saying, "THEY'RE ALL CRAZY," just says that's the day teams look to fill holes. For the yang to that yin, we await Brian Burke's next public rant about how much money teams wasted Friday.

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Craig Janney

haven’t heard that name in a while…don cherry’s favourite whipping boy…

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 4, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't know

Janney was Swedish? Or was he Russian? For Cherry to not like he had to be one or the other, right?

"It's too bad he lives in the city. He's depriving some small village of a pretty good idiot" - Mike Milbury on Ziggy Palffy's agent Paul Kraus during Palffy's contract holdout in 1998.

by PGI on Jul 4, 2011 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

lol

soft as a brick of butter left on the picnic table on a mid july hot afternoon…cherry actually called him “jennifer” on more than one occassion on national tv

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 4, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That rap seemed to follow him around

And I remember how he was crucified for being shut down by Tikkanen in the finals.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 4, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

that really takes me back in time Tikkanen…first time i saw him was in the 84 cup final – when the world came to an end, and yet the year started so good…late 1983, Van Halen released it 1984 album, Isles adding to their domination over the oil (ten straight wins if i remember prior to that cup final)

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 4, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Van Halen was gonna stay together forever...

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 4, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

my all time favourite band…damn that was a good summer…doc gooden was a god among mortels on the mound, a baseball dynasty in the making…what a reality life was then lol

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 4, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Van halen is recording a new album with Dave as we speak.

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 4, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

- my own VH reverie was short-lived.....

…..was knocked over upon my first listen to “Runnin’ With The Devil” (hadn’t heard ANYthing remotely like it, on AM or otherwise – was just becoming familiar with toonz like “Iron Man” and “Purple Haze” that summer) and played it about 50 times in a row; liked II and saw them in Springfield (almost got pushed through a plate-glass door, SO densely packed was the crowd, which was truly terrifying, so soon after Cincinnati) and wasn’t all that impressed with the band’s live showing in retrospect….Women & Children First was the last new Van Halen record I ever bought – picked up the Diver Down cassette used, but Fair Warning was totally lost on me and I never went out of my way to get the Van Hagar stuff – well-played true, but just didn’t rock my world; never really was a fan of Alex’ and Templeman’s ‘brown’ drum sound…..

by ogam5 on Jul 4, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

- as for 1984, "Jump" drove me up a friggin' WALL,

and I did like “I’ll Wait” but again, for me the thrill was long gone by then…..

by ogam5 on Jul 4, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

what? no way? when is it out? any releases?

i was as much a fan of van halen as i am of the isles

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 5, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I DON''T believe there is a release date

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jul 5, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

vaporware

This will take as long as another Duke Nukem game.

We may be in the box, but you get the penalty.
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by mikb on Jul 7, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garth knows they're crazy

He just doesn’t say it. Its OK Garth, we know it too. I’ll be glad when this craziness settles down and the real work can begin. The team looks good with Reasoner, the prospects look good, and the goaltending seems palatable. This may just be the season we didn’t have last year.

All Who Oppose Grabner Shall Perish.

by pippup on Jul 4, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Marty

Always will love Reasoner. I’m a BC grad, Marty coming to BC was the marquee commitment that put the Eagles on their way to the last decade of success. So glad to see him as an Islander. Completely agree with the analysis, realized he wasn’t going to make it as a scorer, and did what he had to do to become a successful NHL player. Can’t wait to see him suit up for the good guys.

by 7:11_OT on Jul 4, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Impressive array of first-rounders

The Isles roster is full of once and future talent. Almost an entire team of first-round picks. Not that that guarantees anything, but still…who’d I miss?

John Tavares
Kyle Okposo
Marty Reasoner
Ty Wishart
Michael Grabner
Nino N……. (I’ll learn to spell his name this year, promise)
Ryan Strome
Josh Bailey
Rick DiPietro
Al Montoya
Calvin de Haan

(also note Hamonic was a 2nd rounder and I think may end up as this team’s best player not named Tavares)

by BobSulli on Jul 4, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Empathy
Nino N……. (I’ll learn to spell his name this year, promise)

That’s how I felt after he was drafted ;)

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 4, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This helps me

Break it down into two six-letter hunks. Nieder-reiter. The tricky part is remembering which part is IE and which is EI. (The I’s go to the outside.)

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by mikb on Jul 5, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

heard a stat on tsn last week...

just over 50% of NHLers were drafted in first two rounds

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 4, 2011 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

You got two rounds of hope

And 4-5 rounds of darts.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 4, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

given rounds 4 through 7 is a different game

(18 year olds have to be drafted in first 3 rounds) – meaning guys drafted in rounds 4 through 7 were passed over twice by top 3 rounds -

it would be nice to now the percentage of NHLers drafted in the first three rounds

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 4, 2011 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Strange new draft rules?

Not sure of the 18 year olds only in rounds 1-3. This year round 4 pick Russo is 18 yrs old and younger than round 2 pick Sundstrom. Did I misunderstand?

This IS the year.

by since70too on Jul 4, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just thought that's the way things tend to work

I can’t remember the last time an overager was drafted high. Usually, if they’re good enough to be drafted at 18, they will be… and if they’re not, nobody’s going to spend a high pick on him.

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by mikb on Jul 5, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

check the birthdate

it depends on age my sometime around start of season or something? not necessarily date of draft but check it out….

there has also been talk of changing the draft age from 18 to 20 under next CBA, with debates about whether to faze in changes 6 months per year, or do it all at once (this will impact draft)

prior to ken linesman’s court challenge (if i remember correctly, the league caved before it was decided in court) and the threat of the old WHA, the draft age was 20.

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 5, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part of me wonders

if they need to start aligning CHL teams with NHL teams and let it be a more efficient developmental league in that regard. Or basically try and turn one of the leagues into an 18-20 league only (all drafted/overage players in essence) to be AA to the AHL’s AAA.

by afrosupreme on Jul 5, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: Correct me if I'm wrong but Wishart cannot be sent down to Bridgeport without first passing through waivers

Looking at who the Lightning have signed and traded for since the end of the season I would think Wishart would have made their roster for the upcoming season had he not been traded. I know Ty played limited minutes in the 20 games he appeared in last season but he was a +5 and showed the ability to rush the puck from what I saw. It would be nice to see the Isles give Wishart a chance since they gave up a pretty good asset for him.

by rickrays on Jul 4, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Wishart

He has a good shot from the point – not a bad PP option, perhaps second half of a PP

Still learning game sense, he could be a 5-6 and has upside potential

He isn’t more than that now, but that could be enough

I agree with those who suggest we aren’t desperate for a top 4 D-man yet

Streit-Jurcina
Hamonic-Amac
Wishart-Katic

could do for starters

but there isn’t enough depth unless Eaton & Mottau are both back healthy & effective
which would explain Garth being on the prowl as we speak

by Cary K on Jul 4, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

jurcina

is not a top pair defenseman. hell, he’s barely a top 6 defenseman to me

here’s a guy who everytime he steps on the ice is the biggest player out there yet is thee softest player i’ve ever seen

by ripcurl2121 on Jul 4, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa

Spectacular? I love the Juice but AT BEST he’s solid, no where near spectacular. I think he’s good enough for the top six. But spectacular is quite a stretch my friend.

by sayvillelax94 on Jul 4, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant

he’s solid even if he isn’t spectacular

by Cary K on Jul 4, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's on the prowl bc our blue line lacks talent

There are some steady players out there but besides Streit, MacDonald, and Hamonic, they are average NHL players. There is also no way Katic is going to play over Eaton and Mottau and given the Isles hovering below the cap floor, I think they’ll give Calvin de Haan every opportunity to make this team out of training camp….if a Top 4 d-man isn’t acquired before then that is

I'm the only RFA to get a qualifying offer worth less than the year before

by Chris McNally on Jul 4, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's nothing wrong with having a few average players!

It’d be wonderful if we had six top-pair defensemen we could run at people all year long. It’s awfully hard to make happen. Every league champion has some lunch-pail types.

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by mikb on Jul 5, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not certain

But by my reading Wishart would be a waiver eligible guy this year. The CBA is a matrix in that category (no, really?!), but I’m pretty sure his time has come.

Lighthouse Hockey: A flute with no holes is not a flute. A Dane with no holes is Frans Nielsen.

by Dominik on Jul 4, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

MacDonald, Eaton & Mattau

All three of these guys are coming off serious injuries and I believe Amac will not be ready for the start of camp… possibly later. We need insurance early on and do not want to look at the emergency callups as a built-in need right away. No way to start a quest for a playoff berth. Garth needs to add a quality D and he knows that he cannot get it via UFA. The question is what will he part with to get what he needs.

by 19holekc on Jul 4, 2011 9:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

wishart...better than gervais

i read wishart would have to clear waivers to be sent down, i doubt he would clear

by CanadianIsleslifer on Jul 5, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

can anyone come up with a good reason why matt martin and travis hamonic are playing in the blue-white PROSPECT scrimmage on the 7/16? and no, ticket sales isnt a good enough reason

by ripcurl2121 on Jul 4, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

My best guess is that they will be there to help the other kids along

They are the same age as the other kids who will be there, its not like they have reasoner and hunter there.

Let Us Go, Islanders! (Ever notice how strange that sounds without the contraction?)

by TheMetalChick on Jul 4, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

....what are you suggesting, rip, it might mean?

…..MM (and to a lesser extent, Travis) may be playing as part of creating a consistent portrait of just what the team looks like before August 1st, to remind the fans of as much…..otherwise, I’m mystified

by ogam5 on Jul 4, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

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